guardians 2 thread as someone who loved the first one enough

What didn't you like about it? I thought it was great.

What was your favorite moment?
For me it was Yondu's buddy shouting YEAH while this was playing it got to me more than I was expecting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCQVnSOFqfM

Star Wars, but Darth Vadar is the Death Star

>>92098516
I liked the beginning more than the rest of the movie.

Also, I want to the mantis

>>92098551
>liking the beginning
What's wrong with you? I thought the beginning was utter trash, went on way longer than it should. The movie only got good when they crashed

Good luck trying to discuss the movie's flaws with all the paid shills that will be frequenting here for weeks.

It was alright. I'd rate it slightly lower than the first(which was just alright too). It got way too cartoony even by MCU standards and alot of jokes and gags went on way too long to the point of being filler(Baby Groot trying to find Yondu's head thing). It also felt like Gunn's heart wasn't into the last act of the film because it just turned into another generic superhero explosion CG fest complete with a Man of Steel fight.

>James Gunn talks a lot about how Nebula and Yondu are now members of the Guardians of the Galaxy
>They aren't members of the Guardians of the Galaxy at all and the roster never changes except now they have to babysit the Autistic Asian Bug.

I thought the film was fun, just didnt care for jokes killing any sort of serious moment the film might of had.

>>92098514
1. buckshot approach to comedy
2. unfocused narrative
3. dragging dragging dragging
4. bad use of callbacks
5. jarring tonal shifts
6. everyone talks about their sad backstory instead of showing it, like a fucking movie should
7. gold people are uncompelling antagonists

you know how i know this movie sucked? on opening night, on the first showing in an american city, not a single person clapped at the end credits

>>92098566
The beginning had more action and humor than half the film.

>>92098516
I'm a sucker for lyrical music complementing action scenes. It's one of the reasons I love Metal Gear Rising so much. Because of this, I completely adored Quill going berserk on Ego while The Chain played.
Come to think of it, for a movie about a team, most of the best action scenes were centered around singular characters, like when Rocket was going around using traps on the Ravagers, or Yondu using his new fin to kill the entire fucking ship.

>>92098609
Yeah, with it killing the tone it was trying to go for
If you constantly need action and humor, watch the other MCU films

Yeah I really do feel like this movie is definitely going to be one of the more forgettable MCU flicks.

I just got out and while I had a good time watching it, I already know that I'm not going to go out of my way to watch it again. It's definitely a 'catch it during a matinee or at the dollar theater' movie.

I liked it, maybe not as much as the first, but not much less either. Flow was a little odd cause there's no clear plot from the beginning, it's really just a convenient misadventure. Some jokes were flat but others were spot on, as much good banter as bad I'd say. Some of the emotional scenes were a little on the nose. Gunn always plays it off with a joke but after more than a few times it becomes rather transparent.

I'd give it a 7. The first one felt more... effortless? Like a breezy, happy accident. This one felt like it tried harder, and tried to do more, but didn't quite hit the mark in every area.

>>92098582
And Kraglin. Maybe he'll turn blue and be the new Yondu. Maybe Yondu's just the entity that lives in the arrow.

Guardians of the Galaxy
The Avengers
Iron Man
Captain America: Civil War
Captain America: Winter Soldier
Doctor Strange = Ant-Man = Thor = Captain America: The First Avenger
Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2
Iron Man 3
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Iron Man 2
Thor: The Dark World

That's how I would rank them. Don't come at me for thinking Civil War is better than Winter Soldier. Only autists who think they're deep for considering Winter Soldier to be a "political thriller" like Winter Soldier better.

>>92098687
I still put both Guardians at my top but that's cause I'm a sucker for James Gunn and Cosmic Marvel

>>92098682
Think Kraglin is actually a Guardian? If so that's pure nepotism. Fuck Gunn.

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>>92098482
Honestly when the first one came out everyone was raving about it but I just thought it was "okay"

This one was great though, I enjoyed it way more. One of the best MCU movies imho.

>>92098582
But thats wrong. Groot welcomed yondu to the guardians of the frickin galaxy

>>92098787
You mean fuckin'?

>>92098803
We're going to have to talk about that mouth of yours

I'm not sure if I will see it or not. I really liked the first one, but Civil War made me realize I was burnt out on MCU movies. That, and 75% of the jokes I've seen in ads are fucking garbage

>>92098827
Let's not forget that one of the jokes is Star-Lord calling Rocket a "trash panda" despite the fact that the earliest known mention of that phrase is 2005.

they literally say "sometimes the thing you're looking for is right by your side"

james gunn pulled that corny fucking line from out of the dumpster and put it in his movie

>>92098734
Likewise bro. Anything that expands on the marvel galaxy instantly tops my list.

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>>92098687
Captain America: The Winter Soldier = Captain America: Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy
Guardians of the Galaxy v2
Ant-Man = Iron Man
Captain America: The First Avenger
Dr. Strange
The Avengers
Age of Ultron
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3 = Thor = The Incredible Hulk
Thor: The Dark World

>>92098876
the one that rubbed me the wrong way the most for some reason from the ads was taserface going "IT'S METAPHORICAL" in response to Rocket laughing at his name. It just sounded like a joke from a shitty SNL skit or something

Can someone who's seen it explain Baby Groot's personality? Does he have the mind of a child or is he just small? Because just based off the ads I can't tell since sometimes he was shown fighting a few guys which would lead me to think he still has an "adult" mind but then there's that whole unfunny button scene that was in every commercial that makes him seem like a kid

>>92098516
That felt so good. The dude was the only one who knew how much it meant the other Ravagers gave him a proper funeral.

>>92098939
Actually, I revise my list.
I'm moving Avengers above Dr. Strange.

>>92098993
mind of a child

How could Stan Lee possibly acknowledge being a FedEX driver if this movie takes place in 2014?

>Literally DANCE OFF BRO xDxD the movie
Everyone who liked it should hang himself for having THAT bad taste.

>>92098993
the taserface bit was absolute drivel and it stretched out into infinity, there was no reason to include it

>>92098993
He's literally a baby.

>>92099038

>the taserface bit was absolute drivel and it stretched out into infinity, there was no reason to include it

It wasn't well-written, but Cooper's absolute commitment to being the biggest cunt to everyone in that scene actualyl sold it for me.

Friendly reminder that Mantis is DISGUSTING! DISGUSTING!!

>>92099013
>>92099044
thanks. I would ask if he got annoying but thats probably more subjective

>>92099038
There were so many bits like that in the movie. The one where Rocket asks Meme Lord for tape is another. It was cut perfectly in the trailer because it's short and to the point. The movie however stretches it out for no reason.

>>92099085
>I WOULDNT FUCK HER, WITH YOUR DICK!!! HAHAHA!!!!
Jesus Gunn

>>92099085
She's beautiful.
on the inside

>>92099029
He said mail man, clearly referring to the first F4 movie.

What was your LEAST favorite moment of the movie?
Pacman, it should've been a giant Hasselhoff

>>92099089
Personally I was surprised he wasn't annoying as he could have been. He's such a background character that you forget he's even there at times. When he does get his screentime it's just to entice middle aged moms to buy his toys.

Rocket however really needed to pull back. They turned him up to 11 in this one.

>>92099090
>>92099038
Yeah, Drax' poop was another one, those jokes that went on for so long even jokes in them like Baby Groot bringing a freshly cut thumb.

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I just need a groot puke gif.

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>>92099134

>>92099126
Fuck off.

Pac-Man was great. It should've been a giant Alyssa Milano tho.

>>92099067
if he wasn't shouting every line in that scene, it would've been salvageable. but because he dedicated himself to being a loud obnoxious cunt, i couldn't have been less interested

>>92099090
hey reddit, got any tape? XD

>>92099114
the scene where drax just felt like vomiting imagining him and mantis having sex is so great, kill me please

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>>92099130

MY TURDS ARE NOTORIOUSLY MASSIVE THAN FUCK

HA HA HA HA HA

FUCK YES

>>92098582
Nebula is the Faye of the group. Sometimes she's off doing her own thing but she'll keep coming back.

>>92099127
>. They turned him up to 11 in this one.
That was the point of his character in the movie, dude.

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>>92099155
Fuck me that would've been even better

>>92099134
the one bit of comedy that worked for me, because it had contrast

rocket, sean gunn, and yondu are tripping balls and their faces are going tex avery, and then, without saying a word, baby groot open mouth pukes

why did every other joke feel they needed to be blaring at full volume to be heard?

>>92098597
>forgetting the haphazard music choices
The first film's use of 70s music worked because the songs fit each scene they were in. This film didn't, the songs felt forced in their use. I think they just got some intern's Spotify playlist and shoved it into the film. Other than The Chain and Mr Blue Sky I can't remember a single fucking song that they used.

>>92099165
the only difference is that Faye liked the Bebop and it's crew and actually helped them whereas Nebula is just an angsty bitch who only wants to help herself.

>>92099160
>Its a "Drax makes the Guardians celebrate one of his holidays" episode
>Everyone has to sit through one of his sex stories while they eat whatever the hell he just killed

>>92099160
And they even cut the soup bit, and kept the penis joke, I liked Drax was the one who asked how Quill's mom managed to be fucked by a planet.

>>92099193
You can't remember Flashlight from Parliament?

>>92099153
this shit was my fave part, I was stoned tho

>>92098827
Honestly if you have a weekday off or somthing or if your theater has Discount Tuesdays, then I would hold off on it.

>>92099126
Pacman was literally THE ONLY ONE good moment in the whole this trash. Name something in this movie which is not cliche meme garbage for plebs.

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>"Is there ANYONE on this ship that isnt socially retarded!?"

>>92099193
Fuck you the part with "Father and Son" was great

>>92099273
You can tell the animators had fun.

>>92099126
probably the whole TASERFACE joke, Bradley Cooper sort of made it work by going full asshole but its still bad, but I gotta admit that the payoff of the joke when TASERFACER calls the sovereign was great.

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I'm gonna make some WEIRD SHIT

>>92099284
Peter himself and maybe Gamora.

>>92099296
the entire bit could've been salvaged if the sovereign receptionist had just snickered

why laugh that fucking loud at a name?

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>>92099313
>tfw no gotg2 outtake like this

Some of the jokes went on for too long and there was more filler than needed, but I honestly felt that this film was both funnier and more touching than the first.

>>92099349
that's true, although they were supposed to be autistic assholes so it kinda worked for me

>"the hide's just as thick from the inside"

Was Gunn getting in a dig at Whedon's first Avengers film?

Probably not but I couldn't help thinking it.

>>92099368
Damn.

I'm still mad they Ronan was a shitty one off villain, especially now that they're going full Cosmic with the MCU. Though half the Annihilators are tied with Fox.

>>92099191

It made me laugh especially hard because when I was in grade school there was this retarded kid that would always stand up and get everyone's attention then just casually throw up exactly like that.

If anyone can make a gif of that please do so I can laugh forever.

shit, I was expecting liking Mantis but now I'm a filthy waifufag for her!!

>>92099447
Filthy is right.
How can you love such a disgusting, ugly person?

>>92099447
Mantis is my pet-fu.

>>92099471
Didn't you know? ugly is the new cute from now on, anon.

>>92099447
I will admit, her and Drax laughing was cute

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>>92098482
That was probably my least favorite Marvel movie so far.

The story was just so predictable and boring. The dialogue and the jokes were fine, but the plot was so cookie cutter.

Also, what was the point of Stallone? They could have put any cheap actor in that role.

With all that said, I visibly lost my shit at the Zune part.

It was fun, but inorganic. The plot was a bit bizarre and bounced around too much, to many character arcs and stuff that didn't have time to build and grow naturally. The humor was funny at times and full out insulting at other times. Good character moments and visually it was amazing.

Overall it's like a 6-7/10 though. It wasn't as good as the first one by any stretch.

>>92099184
that doesn't mean it was handled effectively

>>92099590
But it was. Rocket's arc was the best in the movie.

Ah, /co/ntrarianism kicks in.

>>92099572
possibly the best use of a zune in cinema

that's why i'm so middle of the road on this movie. when it works it's enjoyable, but when it doesn't it's infuriating

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>>92099572
>Also, what was the point of Stallone? They could have put any cheap actor in that role.

he will return obviously

>>92099609
this.

>>92099558
>that part where Drax lets Mantis caress Rocket and he bites her
I never knew bullying could be this cute.

>>92099611
>pre-murrikan release comfy threads are gone
>now every single GotG thread will be filled with PAC MAN, BRO!
Welp.

>>92099611
>>92099666
sorry my opinion ruined ur comfy :-(

>>92098597
>1. buckshot approach to comedy
explain

>>92099716
throwing 10 jokes at the screen, seeing that 2 land, and calling it a win

like trying to hit a target with a scattergun

>>92099680

It's okay, I don't believe you anyway. :3

>>92098597

It's called rapid-fire comedy, not buckshot.

At least get the terms right.

>>92098939
I'd swap Avengers and Iron Man but other than that this is pretty much my list.

>>92099284
4chan in space, you should be happy about that.

>>92099751
i was referring to the percentage success of the writing, not the pace that it was delivered, buddy

those are two separate categories

>TV SHOWS LMAO
>AHHAAHAHAHAH EXPLANATION OF OBVIOUS THINGS HAHAHAAHA
>I CAN'T INTO EMOTIONS LMAO
>I'M SPECIAL AND RUDE BUT WANT TO BE LOVED
>I'M GROOT xDxD
>MY SISTER WAS TORTURED BECAUSE OF ME BUT I WAS YOUNG IT'S OKAY LETS BE FRIENDS
>REEEEEEEEEEEE....OK
>DUDE I KILLED YOUR MOM LMAO LET ME SAY THAT FOR NO REASON
>DUDE I WASN'T BAD AT ALL I JUST WANTED TO SAVE YOU AND SOME FIRE SHOW LMAO
God fucking damnit.

>>92099797
lmfao oh that's right

ego just told peter flat out like it was nothing. i love this movie, i love kurt russel, kill me now

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>>92098939
>>92098687
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2
Captain America: Civil War
Iron Man
Ant-Man
Dr. Strange
The Avengers
Captain America: The First Avenger
Thor 1 = The Incredible Hulk
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Iron Man 2
Thor 2
Never seen Iron Man 3

Upcoming hype:
Infinity War/Avengers 4
Thor: Ragnarok
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Captain Marvel
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Black Panther

>>92099797
>>92099783
Every scene had something everyone would like. I guess that's why it got a 100 on the focus groups. I for one hate baby groot but there was something else to pay attention to.

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>>92099882
I know it's way too early and there's multiple movies before it that don't have trailers yet, but I'd kill for an ANTS trailer.

>>92098687
Netflix shows?

>>92099919
>it's just the ants trailer but with Hope spouting wasps along with the ants

>>92099970
non canon

>>92098876
Bandit

>>92099913
>focus groups of braindead normies praised this meme movie
What a surprise

>>92099978
>she's visibly uncomfortable

this movie was shit, can't wait for wonder woman and it's 0 quips to beat this quippy piece of shit

>>92100037
quips get butts in seats. deadpool was quippy as hell and made bank

seeing as how companies are motivated by profit, dc aren't not gonna put jokes in their movies going forward

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>>92100037
>wonder woman

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>Nebula yells "YOU STUPID FUCKS!"
Really gets the old noddle doodling.

>>92100069
Can confirm.

Their quippiest movie got the DCEU an oscar.

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>"Don't believe in you! Believe in me that believes in you!"

Not sure why everyone is complaining that they ruined the emotional moments with comedy. None of the most important heartfelt moments had a silly quip at the end...Peter asking if Rocket is trying to get everyone to hate them, Ego revealing that he killed Meredith, Rocket and Yondu's scenes, Mantis feeling Drax's sadness, etc. The only time I can think of where an emotional moment was immediatelg followed by a comedic one was with Nebula's monologue.

>Fox on the run is used for the trailer
>Nowhere to be found in the movie
Booooooo

And who the fuck uses Zune

>>92100622
>who uses zune
that uh...was the joke

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>>92100037
>Can't wait for wonder woman

>>92098482
I can't believe that Quill was Steven Universe the whole time.

>>92100648
That was supposed to be a joke?

>>92100664
18+

>>92100657
I was honestly wondering if future Rose revelations will have Sugar be pissed off that a movie did it first while her show was dragging its feet forever.

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>Ego's outfit
>that final fight
>"If you kill me, you'll be just like everybody else!"
>"What's so wrong about that?"
>that legitimately heart wrenching action dad sacrifice to get his son off of a dying, exploding planet

Why can't Marvel leave Man of Steel alone?!

>>92100664
Yes, the Zune brand has been discontinued.

>>92100708
For the same reason you can't

>>92100688
>Pearl apologizes for being a crappy mom before sacrificing herself to save Steven

I want it.

>uses an outdated tape player because it was mom's
>uses an outdated mp3 player because it was dad's

KILN-FIRED CERAMICS

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>>92099882
This is the correct answer

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different approach than the first one, I'm glad they didn't follow the same formula like the first one with the whole saving the galaxy from another villain kinda shit. This is what AoU should've been, smaller scale movie that focusing on the group, establishing their relationship and personality, instead of basically the same thing like the first one, but bigger with double the action, characters, but not enough substance. The farm scene was great opportunity but unfortunately it really killed the pacing.

This was more character-driven rather than plot-driven. The first one felt more balanced between these two aspects, but this one really fleshed out every characters, the story was driven by their interaction, chemistry and their backstory which I really liked. I also don't mind the almost non-existent plot, but it was pretty easy to follow.

Some pretty cool design with the world and the spaceship, I dig the arcade battle mode in sovereign's fleet which is really fun to watch.

I like the soundtrack better in the first one, but this was more integrated thematically. It grew on me after watching the movie. The Silver and LSD were my favourite.

I found it on par with the first one which is one of my favourite MCU movies, the ending was fucking great imo

>>92100863
>smaller scale
>1st guardians movie is just xandar
>2nd has ramifications for the entire galaxy
stopped reading desu

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>>92100893
>1st guardians movie is just xandar
>the world in the beginning
>the prison
>Knowhere
>the Ravager mothership
>the Dark Aster

Dude.

>>92100893
The first one involved an Infinity Gem that alone makes it bigger.

>>92100708
>AND IF YOU DONT LOVE ME NOW

>>92100942
But only one world was in danger, the climax of Volume 2 had Ego murderfucking thousands of planets simultaneously.

>>92100863
how was the humor? I know that is so subjective but for me everything good could be ruined if there is 10 jokes a minute and half of them don't land

>>92100979
>that scene of Quill and his mom listening to music
>that scene of Yondu teaching Quill how to shoot
>that scene of him and Rocket flying through the air on their Aero-Rigs

K-k-k-KINO!!!!

>>92100893
that only occured on the third act when Ego went batshit insane, everything before that felt more personal.

>>92101001
>that scene of him and Rocket flying through the air on their Aero-Rigs
>Rocket legitimately enjoying it
That whole montage was so good.

>>92100975
The only joke they really stretch inappropriately is this one where Rocket, Groot, Kraglin, and Yondu's faces get distorted because of a very, very long hyperspace jump. Not because of the distortion itself, but they kind of just use the same kind of visual for their messed up faces instead of giving us a diverse cavalcade of wacky mugs.

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Winter Soldier
Ant-Man
Guardians vol 1
Civil War
Doctor Strange
Thor
First Avenger
Avengers
Guardians vol 2

the rest I don't really care to rank
I also have no special attachment to Iron Man 1 even though it's universally praised

>>92101001
you seem to have mistaken the word "scene" with "shot"

scenes aren't fractions of seconds long

light 7 on this one

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The Sovereign were definitely a stand-in for the Church of Universal Truth, right?

The whole intro to the movie was quite reminiscient of the opening of the DnA comic. Half expected the batteries to be powered by people.

>>92098687
Have you rewatched the Avengers?

It's boring as fuck on rewatch. I loved it the first time around, but switched it off 3/4 of the way through when I rewatched it a year ago.

Same thing for Civil War. Thought it was 10/10 GOAT but then rewatched it last week and it's pretty fuckin bland.

Guardians, Iron Man and maybe the Winter Soldier are the only MCU flicks that stand up to rewatches

>>92100975
The Taserface gag. It tries to be a more farcical villainous successor to the first film's mockery of Quill trying to call himself Star-Lord, but it drags and the payoff isn't as strong

>>92101124
I honestly completely forgot like the first half hour of avengers so when I watched it a second time I was beyond bored for the longest time

>>92101078
Yeah, I think so. The first time I saw them in the trailer I immediately thought it was the Church.

>>92101124
winter soldier is so eminently rewatchable, every scene just flows to the next

i contend that civil war holds up better than avengers on additional viewings, but that's just me

>>92101141
that was one from the trailer than I really didn't like. I was on the fence about the movie in general, but "its metaphorical" actually convinced me to wait until I can pirate a good copy

>>92099991
your memes are weak.

>>92100975
There was a scene at the end that had me legitimately cracking up. It was pretty good in terms of humor.

>>92101154
for me Civil War was my realization that I didn't care about any of the characters anymore which drastically hurt my liking of the movie. I didn't think it was bad, I just didn't care what happened. My own lack of interest killed that movie for me

>>92101154
The reason I said maybe Winter Soldier is because it's fairly continuity reliant. Whereas Iron Man and Guardians are enjoyable as standalones, which is why they're nice to rewatch.

And yeah I'd say CW stands up better than Avengers primarily because there are more interesting things going on it.

>>92101143
No joke, it's such a fucking slog. The entire helicarrier scene is just painfully uninteresting.

>>92098597
>>92099193
I agee with you both.

The main plot about Starlord and Ego has no development. Starlod meets his father and bonds, Starlord fights his father and nothing in between. So even though stuffs happen to the others characters and there are some nice scenes, I was still waiting for something to happen.

And the jokes. I like them a lot in the first one but in this one, it's like everything turn into a joke. Characters are barely allowed their own dramatic development.

And for the music. I didn't know a lot of the tunes in the first movie and after the movie, I just wanted to listen to its soundtrack. This time, apart from Mr Blue sky which I already knew, nothing clicked.

>>92101078
Big golden guys in extravagant golden space churches with powerful batteries that worship Adam Warlock. Yeah I think it's a safe bet they were.

Also, I may be stretching a tad but did anyone think of the Cancerverse with the big squid monster at the start? They even say it's from another universe.

is Yondu the first truly earned death in MCU?

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>>92101078
>>92101213
>yfw GotG vol. 3 is an adapted mixture of DnA Volumes 1&2 and the Thanos Imperative storyline

Guardians 3 is after Infinity War, too, so they could even get Thanos. FUCK.

>>92101249
coulson's sacrifice was pretty well ear- oh wait

>>92101213
Ego's scheme was very Cancerverse-esque

>>92101187
>Avengers primarily because there are more interesting things going on it.
I always thought than Avengers was a mediocre movie with a great final action scene and that's why everybody exited the theater with a good feeling.
You wait for something to happen during a good part of the movie. Hell, even when something is happening like the destruction of the base at the beginning, it's not interesting to watch.
Oh, and I couldn't care less about Coulson. It really felt like a basic plot device and nothing more.

I know people on /co/ hate Avengers 2 but I think it has a better plot, a more interesting villain (yeah, even with the quips) but it shat its final action scene, so you're left with a meh feeling at the end.

>>92101249
Yes.

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>>92101252
The "interview" bits that Mantis makes them do would work so well in a movie.

I'm glad to see they gave the Guardians uniforms in this movie too, even if it's just red versions of their normal clothes.

I did see some shoop where they made the metal armor/details on the uniforms blue and it looked fucking cool.

>>92101309
>I know people on /co/ hate Avengers 2 but I think it has a better plot, a more interesting villain (yeah, even with the quips) but it shat its final action scene, so you're left with a meh feeling at the end.

I didn't think there were others like me. Yeah, before Civil War released I rewatched Cap 1, Avengers, Cap 2 and Ultron. I was shocked by how much more engaging AoU was. Ultron wasn't bad at all. If they gave him a more comic like appearance rather than Bayformers he would have been actually really good. I think half the hate for Ultron as a villain comes from >NOT MUH

>>92098551
The first act was very weak, but once they meet up with Ego it's great, and the third act and ending are better than GotG1.

The design of Ego's planet and his "dioramas" was excellent. Great art direction.

Use of Brandy and The Chain was beautiful and perfect.

Kurt Russell gave us one of the most unique villains in the MCU; not evil, just self-absorbed.

Very realistic portrayal of a narcissist, especially in the way he casually drops the bombshell.

>>92098597
4 and 7 is the only points that are any different than the first movie.
Jarring tonal shifts especially.

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>>92101252
>>92101322
Well the original designs for the Guardians took a lot of cues from those of DnA's iteration.

I just hope they don't adapt the Black Vortex. Or any of Bendis' GotG storylines. Actually, did anything significant or noteworthy happen in Bendis' run?

>>92101354
>Very realistic portrayal of a narcissist, especially in the way he casually drops the bombshell.

Yeah, this. I think people who go "Durr why did he tell him? LE PLOTHOLE!!!" have never met a narccissitic person in real life. They can't keep a secret for shit, especially if it's one regarding something that they themselves did. Add to that he thought he had Peter in the bag by that point, and his genuine disregard for life in general (she meant so little to him) it makes sense he'd just let that fly.

>>92101354
>The design of Ego's planet and his "dioramas" was excellent. Great art direction.

What were those a reference to. It's a kind of art style, something retro, but I can't quite place it.

>>92099283
Yondu's not your father?
What? No he's not-
You look exactly alike!

He's BLUE

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>>92101371
That art looks overdesigned as hell.

All they need to do is get pic related outfit, make the highlights/armor blue, give Quill some black leather guantlets/gloves to match his boots then slap on a helmet. Boom.

Also did anyone notice that Quill wore his helmet like 1/10 of the time he did in the first. Guess it's cause he's way more famous now.

>>92099090

I thought the timing on that was even better in the movie actually.

>Drax! Do you have any tape?...yeah, I think scotch tape would--would scotch tape work?
>Yes, scotch tape would work!
>Okay, yes, it w--WHY WOULD YOU EVEN ASK THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TAPE?

>>92101393

>Also did anyone notice that Quill wore his helmet like 1/10 of the time he did in the first. Guess it's cause he's way more famous now.

Honestly Quill is barely involved in the action for most of the movie, it's more about building his relationship with his dad.

Most of the action duties were relegated to Rocket and Yondu.

>>92101396
except it was preceded by quill asking three other people.

gag didn't work, wasn't funny, and should've been cut/edited better/rewritten

>>92101396
Did you ask Nebula?

>>92099572
>Also, what was the point of Stallone?
they stated that he's being set up for other marvel films
remember that Ragnarok takes place in space, and they're going to go steal some stuff.

I bet they're involved with the soul gem.

>>92101393
I'm not surprised. People want to see Pratt's face, not the mask

>>92101409
This.

I don't think Pratt's gotta worry about not getting enough facetime. Fanboys get more excited when he puts the helmet on, honestly.

>>92099126
> Pacman
> Hasselhoff

Hoff post modern ironic references date back to the 90s, when he became an Ironic Icon.

>>92100113

holy shit, I wasn't the only one who heard that

>>92099156
I felt very different to Drax, I wanted Mantis to sit on my face.

>>92100572
>Ego revealing that he killed Meredith

I loved that Quill just immediately snapped and blasted Ego into fucking pieces.

>>92099797
the cheers scene was pretty smart, cause Gamora is basically half of the audience. The ones that didn't grow up in the 80s and have no fucking idea what all his references are.

Like mary poppins.
I guarantee you, 15-20% of the audience has no idea who that is.

The way Yondu delivered the line sold the joke.

>>92101435
I must have missed it.

But every PG-13 movie does have their One Free "Fuck" coupon and I don't recall it anywhere else so I can believe it.

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>>92101378
The movie was littered with this kind of subdued, warm, and almost charming arrogance for Ego. Not overt gloating about how he's the greatest ever, just little passive-aggressive bits where upon second glance, you realize he was only ever about glorifying himself

-The part where he asks Peter to give him a chance to be the father he's always wanted to be, not necessarily the father Peter has always needed and deserved
-His very selfish and cowardly reasons for not picking up his son himself, which Peter calls him out on
-How he likes the song "Brandi" because it reminds him of himself
-How he only considers himself "not alone" in the third act because he has a child who shares his cosmic powers

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>>92101393
>>92101409
>>92101424
I liked that they used the mask to devastating dramatic effect in the ending. Given that if it hadn't been destroyed by Ego, Yondu could have used the last space suit on himself.

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I feel like the first movie was like this one, if they stripped out all the jokes that didn't work.

Honestly feels like there's double the jokes in this movie, and half of them don't work. Amazingly textbook definition of hit and miss. Some really funny and well executed humour, then just family guy tier shit that gets dragged out for way too long.

On the one hand, you have stuff like this:

>You are beautiful...on the inside.
>THIS SHIP IS MADE FOR 50 JUMPS, NOT FIVE HUNDRAAGGHHHHHH
>The catch scene
>They aren't ripe
>I'm gonna build some weird shit

then you have:

>MY TURDS
>TASERFACE
>I have a penis :^)
>TAPE!?!?

Granted, the tape scene had some legit funny elements like the Drax bit, but it dragged out way too long and had too much sarcastic "What do you mean that's ridiculous??? You are very silly!!" style artificial "banter"

>>92099203
You should have paid more attention.

Nebula did not want to fight Gamora and paid a horrible price for it, whereas Gamora was in fact a ruthless bitch to Nebula, hence Gamora not being mutilated. She had less humanity than Nebula.

That went over a lot of people's heads.

>>92101476

>You are beautiful...on the inside.

I know some anons got tired of it, but every scene with Drax and Mantis was pure gold to me.

>>92101410

Rule of threes in comedy.

Asks Yondu.
Asks Gamora.
Asks Drax.

If you don't do the one-off you have to do it three times. Gunn added his own little tweak with the doubling back to Drax and I loved it. Fuck me, I guess.

>>92101413

She was right next to Yondu, she didn't say anything!

>>92101448
nah, it's cause she said "you stupid fools!"

>>92101476
>>THIS SHIP IS MADE FOR 50 JUMPS, NOT FIVE HUNDRAAGGHHHHHH

That was the only scene that made me laugh out loud purely because of how fucking unexpected and weird it was.

>>92101444
>The way Yondu delivered the line sold the joke.

Michael Rooker is a funny motherfucker.

I can't believe he actually made me tear up about a dying blue spaceman with a fin on his head.

>>92101509
Oh man, that hit me HARD.
I had just had an hour long phone call with my dad before. He's in his 70s, and a cancer survivor.

This movie gutpunched me in the feels.

>>92101539

fuck, my 70-year-old dad has been recuperating from cancer surgery for four days and I haven't called him yet.

I'm gonna call him tomorrow. Thanks, Yondu.

>people dissing the way Ego told Quill that he killed his mother

Keep in mind, Ego knows that Quill was a space pirate for a decade or so who has killed dozens of people over the course of his tenure with the Ravagers (GotG opens with him killing two of Ronan's men). So in his deranged, eldritch mind, he probably thought Peter was cool with murder irregardless of who was getting murdered.

>>92101504
>the way Groot looked fine after all those fines only for vomit to casually drop from his mouth the moment he opened it

Good stuff.

>tfw I've been listening to Brandy all week

>>92101354
>Kurt Russell gave us one of the most unique villains in the MCU; not evil, just self-absorbed.
>Very realistic portrayal of a narcissist, especially in the way he casually drops the bombshell.
Yeah, Ego is really a good character, and, this isn't hard, but leagues ahead of most MCU villains. I still remember /co/ praising the villain of Antman (which name I forgot) even though he was so generic, so one note, so archaic, just so bad.

>>92101557
Godspeed on his recovery anon. It can be hell. My dad was treated WITH tuberculosis, instead of Chemo, so it wasn't quite as bad. Still pretty torturous.

>>92101348
You're not alone. That's what the internet for.

>>92101572
/co/'s been craving another good Green Goblin for years and ditching your original plan of getting away with your MacGuffin just so you can kill the hero's daughter in front of him after he paddled you into a bug zapper is as Osborn as it gets.

>>92101572
I understood what they were trying to do with the ant man villain, showing the visible mental breakdown due to the tech, but they needed to actually make him somewhat sympathetic first.
He was like Obadiah all over again.

How typical for the reception to drop the moment it opens up in America.
The movie was wonderful.

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Was there a connection between Ego and Eternity in this movie, or am I just thinking too much?

>>92101348

> I was shocked by how much more engaging AoU was

It's certainly a more thematically mature movie then the first Avengers was. It's basically the ultimate Whedon story, a tale about a group of damaged people who are forced to work together because of circumstance but are actually functionally incapable of being an actual team or forming real friendships with each other due to personal baggage. Ultron was basically the insecurities of the team given a body, a bizarre Frankenstein'd child who judges his parents, sees them for the human failures they are, and finds them wanting to the point of wanting to remake the world in his own image.

I'm not going to say it handles every aspect of its themes perfectly, but it's certainly a far more layered movie then /co/ gives it credit for. I'm pretty lukewarm on Whedon in general but I think AoU is some of his best writing from a pure thematic standpoint.

>>92099126
The systemic, brutal execution and slaughter of helpless crewmembers. Twice.

I go to Mahvel movies for fun, but they took it way too dark in several places here.

>>92101694
YEP THIS

between these segments, the needless flash of yondu's arrow in the prison breakout, and all the slow mo used, the movie could've easily been under 2 hours and made the pace snappier

>>92101572
I think you confused people praising the design of the Yellowjacket suit with praising of Darren Cross himself.

>>92101502
Actually she called Rocket a stupid fox.

But because fox sounds so close to fucks, it's easy to mis-hear.

>>92099126
I don't think Yondu needed to explicitly belt out his similarities with Rocket and what exactly his problems were when they arrived at Ego. I would have liked that to have been something Rocket to have figured out himself, but the movie was all ready running a bit long, so I understand why Gunn did it.

Also Starhawk's claims that the rest of the Ravagers would never give Yondu a proper rogue funeral was a bit too heavy-handed in the foreshadowing department.

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>>92101694
>>92101712
and yeah, length aside, it was pretty unnecessarily brutal

in a similar vein, HEY PETE IT'S YOUR DAD!

>>92098482
Thae worst part of this movie is gonna be the shitload of shitty posting and youtubers talking about comicbook-fatigue when it underperforms in the boxoffice. People are not tired of comic book movies, is tired os lazy ones.

>>92101712
But i liked it when he killed Pirate Skrillex

>>92101414
Ragnarok already has a stacked cast.
Plus, I can't imagine them bringing them back THAT soon.

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>>92101746
Is Volume 2 going to be shown in China? How are they going to censor that scene when you can't show skeletons in China?

>>92101774
They just replace the alien skeltals with alien withered corpses.

>>92101078

I see the DnA abbreviation a lot, whats it stand for?

I want to read the comics everyone talks about.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because all the flaws people complain about in this movie were in the first movie too. Comedy that a lot of the time didn't land, every emotional moment never given much time before a stupid joke came along, almost non-existent plot, bad villain (GotG 2 actually had a better villain), pretty one-dimensional characters.

Were people that blinded by hype when the first one was released? I am a MCU fan, but the praise the first movie got always seemed overblown to me and it's in no way the best movie in the franchise. Both movies have an amazing visual style and good music, but everything else is kinda lackluster. I just hope this time Gunn listens to the criticism and ups his game for GotG3. Since it comes after Infinity War, he has no excuse if the characters are the same as they always are and there's no character development.

>>92101785
Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning

>>92101753
>when it underperforms
nigga what

>>92101785
Dan (Abnett) n Andy (Lanning)

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>>92101785
Dan and Abnett, the writers. It's part of a much larger cosmic saga, though. You should read all of it not just so you understand it, but also because it's really fucking good.

If you haven't read Infinity Gauntlet, start with that. You can buy all the collected volumes/omnibus for the following online:

>Annihilation
>Annihilation: Conquest
>Guardians of the Galaxy Volumes 1 and 2
>War of Kings
>Realm of Kings
>Thanos Imperative

Read in that order. It's all part of one big cosmic saga with the Guardians.

>>92101825
Whoops, not "Dan and Abnett" I meant Abnett and Lanning.

fucking stupid

>>92101838
Not your fault. I mean. What has Lanning written recently?

>>92101798

> I am a MCU fan, but the praise the first movie got always seemed overblown to me and it's in no way the best movie in the franchise

This a million times. It's perfectly entertaining, but it really felt like a half-formed mismash of Farscape, The Fifth Element and Buckaroo Banzai without the unique charms of any of those franchises because it had to be constrained by the action blockbuster formula.

GOTG2 pretty much chucks the formula in flavor of genuine weirdness and throws the MCU plot structure in the garbage can for what's basically 2.5 hours of genre-hopping character introspection.

It's the most experimental and clearly auteur-driven MCU film since Iron Man 3.

>>92101722
After the movie, they were thread of people talking about how frightening he was, how he was the most frigthtening villain of the MCU.

>>92101819
Why did they break up again?

>>92101901
That Shrink Gun murder was pretty creepy.

>>92101798
I'd say the comedy in GotG 2 were forced and the best jokes were the one that came out of nowhere like the decapitated toe and the 700 jumps

Scenes like Ayesha walking on the snow could have been given a better impact if it used a upper body cut with her walking normally until the carpet ran out

>>92101901

>After the movie, they were thread of people talking about how frightening he was, how he was the most frigthtening villain of the MCU.

That's more to do with Corey Stoll being a great actor then Cross being a well-written villain.

I was fearing the quality of this movie since so many people were saying it was worse than GotG 1 from the early screenings and when a movie is called worse from the screenings that were supposed to bring hype, then you know something is up.

But I genuinely think that GotG 2 is better than GotG 1. I'd put it right with Winter Soldier for one of the better MCU movies. Its largest flaws are mostly some jokes falling flat or being tone-deaf and the pacing in the middle (and I was groaning for the opening scene to end a minute or two earlier) but for the most part I thought it was more interesting than the first movie. For one, every character was given considerably more depth except maybe Peter who stays mostly the same and Mantis who clearly was just kinda shoved in. Gamora and Nebula had probably the weakest interactions and even they were alright whenever they were on the screen. Drax wasn't a random nobody like he was in the first film and one of the best scenes in the movie is when he's asking Rocket where Quill was. I feel like GotG 2 was much better acted as well.

Ego is an infinitely more convincing antagonist than Ronan was and ranks pretty highly among MCU villains. People criticizing The Sovereign as antagonists completely ignore that the storyline with Ego is still the focus and they were mostly there to set up the final act and I guess set the stage for GotG 3. The action was loads more entertaining and really showcase the true scale of these characters.

I feel like people are saying its worse than the first one because the first one caught people off-guard with the weirdness but GotG 2 legitimately makes use of all of its cosmic campiness much better.

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>innards are always more vulnerable than the outsides
>the climax fight revolves around that idea
>but this bit from the opening was apparently an infeasible tactic

https://youtu.be/WG32IzXqehw?t=104

Who was in the wrong here?

>>92101977
>innards
Gamora was saying skin is as thick as it is on the outside as it is on the inside, not that its guts were just as thick as its skin.

Your skin is the same whichever way you flip it but if your brain blows up from the inside, you will still die.

>>92101977
>>92102000

That whole bit felt like a Men In Black gag.

>i'm gonna go get my gun

The more I hear about it the more it feels like a Bendis comic.

>>92101124
>Avengers is boring
Fucking thiiiis. Most of these films are pure novelty, they wear off after the first go around. But what's worse is each movie is like a bew flavor of the same candy, so you can barely enjoy the new movies. That's why Guardians 2, AoU, and IM2, and Thor 2 are divisive by fans on initial reaction. To me the only Marvel films with a semblance of rewatchability is Ironman and Dr. Strange, because they actually have some literary devices worked into them. Ironman has a really good character arc and focused narrative, Dr. Strange has a weaker narrative but some motiffs built in like references to the theme of "time" and constant reminder of his arc with his hands. Neither are terrific and their climaxes are kind of shit but they're quality, lasting moments shine in comparison to rest of MCU

MCU movies are terrible

>>92101798
There was a momentum in the first movie which just wasn't there in the second one.

There are actual plot developments in the first movie. Starlord steals an artefact Ronan wants and clashes with his soldiers a first time. He wants to sell the artefact and end up in prison. Once he's out of prison, he still wants to sell the artefact. Ronan still wants it and Starlord fights with Ronan's soldiers a second time, which makes him have a change of heart about his priorities and decide to fight Ronan.

In the second movie, the main plot which is about Starlord and Ego has no development at all. Instead you see more of Rocket, Yondu and Nebula.

Just look at the relationship between Gamora and Nebula. There are more plot and character developments there than between Starlord and his father.

As for the jokes. The jokes weren't in the way like there are in the second GOTG movie. There's no joke when Starlord lost his mother, when you see Rocket Raccoon's back in prison, when Drax gets beat up by Ronan or when Groot sacrifices himself.

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>>92101970
I'd have to disagree. The depth you're talking about with the characters seemed unnatural and forcedwith how the movie was going. It was jarring going from humor to sadness to happy family fun time in a single scene.

Yondu literally went from joking with Rocket to exposing his insecurities and then serious mode in a few seconds. Rocket's drunken monologue in the original did this insecurity aspect of his justice where the Vol 2 couldn't IMO. Even the end of the original movie with Drax showed much more depth and character than this movie.

Also, like you said, the "where's Quill" scene was excellent, but the movie wasn't like this the whole way through.(Plus, that was more of Rocket's scene.) Drax was changed from a bit of an odd dude to the most tone deaf person in the MCU. Seriously, all I remember from the film is him shitting out jokes about nipples and dicks and sex and shit. I'm honestly really wondering why he changed this much because it doesn't even seem like the same character from the last film.

>Ego is a better protag than Ronan, The Sovereign aren't true antagonists.

Both are true statements, I will admit.

>>92102143
While you are largely not wrong, I don't see why people keep throwing around "we didn't see enough about Starlord and his father"

The entire thing was explicit in a couple of scenes and we know Starlord wanted to know more about his dad from the first movie. Like... what more is there for them? What extra scenes could have possibly made Peter want a dad more?

>>92101694

Yeah, the whole waving-to-the-guy-from-inside-the-airlock was pretty horrifying.

Did make Yondu's visually impressive arrow rampage all the more satisfying, though.

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>Pa Kent: Let the kids die, Clark. The horses! The horses! Pointless tornado suicide!
>Jor-El: You are special and can be whatever you want to be. But be a superhero because I told you so
>Thomas Wayne: Martha...
>Yondu: Listen to your heart, Peter.

MCU confirmed for true dad KINO.

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>AND IF YOU DON'T LOVE ME NOW

>>92102194

>all I remember from the film is him shitting out jokes about nipples

You have some valid points anon, but I cannot abide anyone criticizing Bautista screaming "OW, MY NIPPLES!"

I was in tears.

>>92099124
He said "Federal Express".

>>92102244
They should have played it longer the second time they did, but that was excellent.

I really wish they didn't go with the Mantis getting hit by a rock gag, that sequence was fucking awesome

>>92101196
This. I enjoyed the movie, but it did not live up to the first one.

>>92102143
But even those plot developments in the first movie weren't that great, the story was really as generic as you can get. Superhero movies in general don't have amazing plots in my opinion, but the Guardians franchise is one of the worst offenders in this category. There's only so much you can rely on character interactions, at one point you need more than that to be engaged. Especially when your characters are so static, one-dimensional and have pretty similar style of humor like Gunn's GotG.

I agree that "interrupting your emotional moment with a joke" wasn't as bad in the first movie, but those emotional moments were pretty few and far between anyway. People like to talk about that Rocket moment in the bar, but it was so, so brief that I could barely "feel it" when everyone was shouting. It was like 5 seconds before everyone else moved on. Compare that to how much longer the emotional scenes last in other MCU movies (Cap sacrificing himself in the first movie, Doctor Strange and TAO on the balcony, the Cap vs Bucky end of the line stuff, Cap vs Iron Man in CW, even an outright comedy like The Avengers gave some breather time without jokes when Coulson died). The list goes on. I truly believe that James Gunn was a good choice for the world-building and visual style part of the franchise, but he's very bad as a screenwriter. He needs someone else to write these movies because he cannot write a plot to save his life and when it comes to character development he's not that good either.

>>92102200
>what more is there for them?
the other side of the story. scenes of kid peter growing up with and resenting yondu in order to create the sense of longing for biological father that makes more sense from a filmmaking perspective than meeting ego and fabricating a motivation out of thin air (from the audience's POV). you could even have scenes of adult peter and ego bonding intercut with relevant scenes from peter's childhood that either contrasted with or were thematically similar

this entire movie was a testament to why telling and not showing does nothing for your characters

>peter's hasslehoff story was told to us by gamora, not shown
>gamora and nebula's childhood is told to us by nebula, not shown
>rocket's catharsis is through yondu, not to his fucking family, and the hints of a breakthrough are drowned out by literal sound and noise

we don't even get a fucking scene with peter and yondu until the end of the movie. the more i reflect on what we did get, the more disappointed i become.

>>92102301
Well that makes sense, but that's a development between Peter and Yondu and not Peter and Ego

I definitely agree that there should have been more of the former

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ITT

>>92102327
i would have literally taken a scene with kid peter on earth saying "gee i wish i had a dad"

something ANYTHING to indicate the longing for a father figure was a preexisting condition.

>>92102301
>peter's hasslehoff story was told to us by gamora, not shown

I thought that was a very effective scene for Gamora. It showed that she cared enough about Peter to remember something he told her about himself, if not completely, and that she appreciates a personal, vulnerable part of him that he despises because he's still fixated on being this big, impressive cosmic tough guy; and then knowing him well enough that she's able to use both something he holds dear (Knight Rider) and something he resents (the Hasselhoff story) to get him to try and entertain the idea that Ego might be his father before assuring him, in a darkly heartwarming fashion, that if he turns out to be evil then she and the other Guardians will help Peter kill him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp4yBIW12b4

But yeah, we needed more scenes with kid Quill and Yondu.

>>92102291
I'll give another example of an emotional scene that wasn't ruined by jokes and it's from a movie that almost every MCU fan agrees it's one of the worst (if not the worst). The Frigga funeral was in my opinion more effective and better done than pretty much any sad scene in Guardians/Guardians 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyoMdmF_EwY

Even a bad movie like Thor 2 can show some comedy restraint when it comes to an emotional scenes.

>>92102301

>>what more is there for them?
the other side of the story. scenes of kid peter growing up with and resenting yondu in order to create the sense of longing for biological father that makes more sense from a filmmaking perspective than meeting ego and fabricating a motivation out of thin air (from the audience's POV). you could even have scenes of adult peter and ego bonding intercut with relevant scenes from peter's childhood that either contrasted with or were thematically similar

Peter wanting a "real" father was made clear in the first GOTG though, more flashbacks would just belabour the point. We can see through his personality and his actions that he feels he never had a real male role model in his life, which is why he idolises his mom so much.

I'll agree with you on Gamora and Nebula though.

Was I the only one who thought it was Hela in the Ravagers? I even thought she did a hell pun in the credits

>>92102372
>Peter wanting a "real" father was made clear in the first GOTG though, more flashbacks would just belabour the point. We can see through his personality and his actions that he feels he never had a real male role model in his life, which is why he idolises his mom so much.

Yondu keeping him on such a tight leash for 20 years, not allowing him his own place to stay (just look at how the Ravagers sleep), trying to instill in him a sense of outlaw machismo while doting over his tschotchkeys probably didn't help.

So I'll preface this by saying I liked the movie, but I definitely walked out going "hmm, that wasn't as stand-out/shockingly/unexpectedly good as the first." The movie suffered from some sequel growing pains to put it delicately, it still managed to be it's own story instead of a beat for beat/scene for scene recreation of the first movie.

I think my biggest issue with it was the entire time I was watching it all I could think was that I'd rather be watching the first one instead.

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>>92102228
>He may be your father, but he ain't your daddy.

>>92102406

>I think my biggest issue with it was the entire time I was watching it all I could think was that I'd rather be watching the first one instead.

I find this reaction so weird because I had the literal exact opposite, GOTG2 highlighted all my problems with the first one and fixed almost all of them. I really have no desire to rewatch the first one after seeing 2, that's the one I'll go back to.

Different strokes I guess.

>>92102422
>I'm sorry I didn't do none of it right. But I'm glad you were my boy.

Meanwhile in the DCEU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs39HGOd25c

>>92098482
Well fuck you, it was a great movie.

>>92098516
>"You look Mary Poppins."
>"Is he cool?"
>"...Yeah."

There were a lot of things about this film that fell flat more me, but this hit just the right spot. In general, Yondu's arc with Quill was far more satisfying than any of the Ego stuff.

Which I guess is weirdly appropriate, but not good for a film.

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>>92102194
I did feel like his drop in austerity was a severe flanderization of his character, but it seemed like he (ironic I know) had emotional hang ups in the first film. Now, after defeating the last antagoniat, he can be more of himself, he's more comfortable, but his austerity about his family is still very prevalent, which keeps in tone with his character. I felt the same as you, but then he has the scene talking about his wife, then the scene with his daughter where Mantis cries, and it all rebalanced the character. In the first film he wanted to fight for vengeance, but it was implied this wasn't a change in his actions just a change in his motivation. Afterwards, he still fights, but for glory/fun, which explains his attitude and apparent affinity for high octane action. I would wager he was like this before his family died. Maybe it's because it was the only part of the film that was a serious moment both without a quip and that wasn't out of left field, but the Mantis crying scene triggered my brain into believing I was definitely watching the same character. That was easily the best scene in the movie for me.

On the other hand, the sudden confession that Nebula wanted a sister seemed out of character as fuck because I can't imagine her knowing that the whole time while harboring hatred for Gamora. Without any external stimulus to come to that conclusion, it seemed just as bad as Racoon bonding with the blue guy.

>>92098516
>Ego tries to claim ownership of Brandi out of self-entitlement
>Yondu gets this song by truly earning it

Kino.

>>92102194
>The depth you're talking about with the characters seemed unnatural and forced

I completely disagree. I thought the movie did an excellent job handling the characters.

It's nice to see that we can have a normal discussion about the movie's flaws and strengths without people resorting to shitposting.

Is it because Americans are still asleep?

>>92102601
I personally think the Nebula and Gamora hug at the end is an underrated moment.

>>92102301
Gamora is so fucking bland. Nebula was autistically cringe but at least she has a character, I feel bad that the only female on the squad has to play the straight edge mom archetype with loose remnants of badassery. It's so frustrating when the whole cast is engaged in decent enough banter and she's relegated to always saying "Really guys?"

>>92102616
Well at least she got her canon superhuman strength back.

>>92102616
it's "sweet dee reynolds" syndrome

what lessons from always sunny can we use to fix gamora?

>>92102616
To be honest I wish more of the characters were serious like Gamora in most moments. Gunn is kind of overdoing it with the jokes.

But yeah the fact that she's the party pooper female character of the team is pretty cringeworthy.

>>92102612

I would agree. It still had that reluctance to it while still managing to be earnest.

It isn't ripe yet

>>92102616

At least her character arc is about her relationship with Gamora instead of mooning over Peter.

>>92102301
>showing better than telling
Off topic kind of, just curious, don't need an essay to derail thread- did you feel BvS showed and didn't tell?

>>92102627
>what lessons from always sunny can we use to fix gamora?
Don't be afraid to make the female character an asshole or a fuck-up.

>>92102649

>Gamora

*Nebula

Purely for scientific purposes.

>>92102627
I'm pretty sure you fix any character by making them relatable and show humanity in them. She could be fixed if they gave us some moments where she starts having fun of her own accord, and then the team decides to join her. That'd make me believe she wants/likes to be there.

>>92102717
The part where she tells Rocket that he can shoot Nebula if it would make him feel better was pretty swell.

>>92101557
Make sure ur space parent didn't put the cancer in him

>>92102655
bvs was a 3 hour blur. skipped the theaters and just saw the director's cut, so i might've gotten more information than opening night audiences. both of the heroes reasons for fighting are explained either through previous movies or common comic book knowledge, making lex the wildcard. i don't think they showed enough cause for lex to be a scheming asshole other than "because the premise requires they fight".

this is getting off topic, but the movie was shite but at least it had batman

>>92102724
I want a scene where the team ends up in a market square, and they decide to eat. And as they are eating and being served they all have a hilarious discussion and they laugh and shit. And they talk about something with indirect relevance to the plot, like who they want to win the local sports competition. And their shallow, primary reasoning for wanting separate teams to win lightly touches on different aspects of contrast between them as team mates, and those aspects are incorporated in a larger way towards a climax later in the film.

INSTEAD we got raccoon turds. I just think there's opportunity for dialogue sequences that show their culture and ethics.

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>can manipulate biological matter not attached to him (he gives peters mom a tumour)
>doesn't just turn the guardians spines into jelly when they try to kill him

I liked it a lot, but I went in expecting a very safe, Meme-Lord and the Redditors of the Galaxy kind of thing.

Every character got a good moment and the relationships were explored in a way we haven't really seen in other MCU stuff. What does Cap think of Thor? How does Hawkeye get on with Banner? That sort of thing. Sure there were some crap jokes but I'd say it had more strong points than weak.

>>92099160
MY NIPPLES
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

The whole movie was a blast for me. I do have minor complaints, but they're not strong enough to drown out the movie's overall enjoyment.

GotG 1 was more of a consistently good film while GotG 2 has way higher ups but also a lot more downs

>>92102891
>but also a lot more downs

I don't get this complaint at all.

>>92102891
So it's kinda like Age of Ultron?

That's what I felt about AoU too, it had way better moments than Avengers but also some truly shit parts.

>>92102906

There's no shitty parts to Guardians 2, though. So the comparison isn't really the same.

>>92102891

>while GotG 2 has way higher ups but also a lot more downs

Nothing in GOTG2 was as bad as the entire third act setpiece of the first one. People meme up "dance off bro you and me" but that's genuinely the only creative thing about the whole ending battle, the rest of it is just watching Ronan's ship crashing endlessly.

I didn't love the Ego battle at the end of 2 but at least it gave me interesting things to look at and some creative moments with the geography.

>>92102920
T H E D E N I A L

there are shitty parts in every movie.

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>>92101753
>when it underperforms in the boxoffice
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>92102920
Nah son. I liked it but it would disingenuous to pretend it has no weaknesses.

>>92102932
>T H E D E N I A L

Oh fuck right off.

>>92102948

I didn't say it didn't have weaknesses, but it never has 'major lows.' That's you looking for something to complain about.

>>92102920

>No shitty parts

I liked 2 way more then 1 but even I can admit that some of the jokes went on for too long and The Sovereign plot-line ended up fizzling out into nothing but sequel-bait. Also Gamora got batter material then in 1 but she's still underused.

>>92102961
>there's no shitty parts
>well yeah there's weaknesses but
G O A L P O S T S

>>92102969
Gamorra sucks anyway.

>>92102969
>sequel-bait
more like Infinity War bait.

>>92102981
F A G G O T

>>92102823
He planted the tumor in her head, it was most likely made from his own mass.
Y'know, like how he planted all those plants on different planets, like tumors.

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>>92100037
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1fOJ8sghp4

>>92102984

>Infinity War

But they confirmed Adam isn't going to be in Infinity War, right?

>>92102981
t.DCuck

>>92103010
i'm watching civil war (and loving it) right now though

>>92102984
Warlock is gonna be the antagonist in GotG 3, it's not Infinity War related.

>>92103002
God it's so drab compared to GotG Volume 2.

>>92103015
>h-h-honest guys I-I'm one of y-y-you! heh heh!

>>92103010
and i'm also OP, a guy who saw guardians 1 five times in the cinemas.

>>92103004
that or the second part

>>92103002

>that soundtrack
>that color palette

Someone like the Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes movies, I see.

>>92103010
Not everything is about company wars you /v/ refugee.

I don't even give a shit about the DCEU and I've been following the MCU since 2008. Pretending the movies are perfect is just retarded fanboyism, no different than the cringeworthy BvS kinoposters.

>>92103002
>Oh it's the, uh, bad guy convention.
Top quips.

fuck, at first I thought Hela was one of the ravagers

>>92103026
yeah for some reason early 1900's new york lacks the visual splendor of outer fucking space

>>92103099
>new york
england

>>92103038
The Sherlock movies were distributed by Warner Bros., and all the production companies that were involved are practically subsidiaries of Warner Bros. Some of the same people may be involved.

>>92103107
ah, my mistake

>>92103099
It's London, you fool.

>>92099191
I really think a lot of the dialogue could've been reduced or removed. Most of Star-Lord's stuff missed the mark apart from WEIRD SHIT mostly due to Pratt's facial expression during the line.

>>92103113

>The Sherlock movies were distributed by Warner Bros

Oh I know, I'm still confused at why they haven't attached Ritchie to one of the DCEU movies. He knows how to make entertaining blockbusters that look nice and zip along at a good pace, something the Marthaverse desperately needs right now.

But that clip just reminds me of his Holmes movies and how underrated they are, especially with that diet retread of Zimmer's soundtrack.

>>92103134
holmes thinking his fights out beforehand is one of the coolest things i've seen put to film.

and then they up their ante in the sequel by first having noomi interrupt him and then having moriarty participating in the mental dual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRxggmS7CQ0

>>92103154

Oh yeah, Ritchie building his films out of his stylistic flourishes was fantastic. he just leaned into it and made it part of the texture of the world.

>>92102627
Gamora has to date Warlock and then dump him just to prove a lesson.

>>92102981
You realize "weaknesses" are not the same as "shit," right? You fucking retard.

>>92099283
Pacman was the ne plus ultra of cliché meme garbage for plebs

>>92103065
DC finally learns to quip!

>>92100037
>baby_groot_puke.gif

>>92103266
I need that for real.

>>92103065
Would you rather have "He's a friend from work!"?

>>92103352

>implying that doesn't fit with MCU Thor's personality perfectly

The memeing about that line makes even less sense then DANCE OFF BRO.

>>92103237
Somehow a quippy grim-looking DCEU is even worse than regular grim DCEU.

>>92103352
I think so, yeah.

>>92103134
>I'm still confused at why they haven't attached Ritchie to one of the DCEU movies.
Because WB is fucking retarded and gives him shit like King Arthur. Thank god they won't be around much longer


He's probably going to get a marvel movie after Aladdin though

Stallone Star Hawk and the OG Guardians movie when?

>>92103383

>Because WB is fucking retarded and gives him shit like King Arthur

Early reports indicate that movie has almost Suicide Squad levels of obvious post-facto editing hackery. Another quality decision from Warner.

>>92103396

>Stallone
>Michelle Yeoh
>Miley Cyrus
>Ving Rhames
>Michael Rosenbaum

What a weird collection of actors.