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How can you even make Heman work? No memes pls

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How can you even make Heman work?

No memes pls
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>>92095340
By adding a hyphen in his name

He-Man.

That's how you make it work.
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>>92095340
He-Man/Thundercats comic was okay-ish
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Skeletor wears sunglasses and dances a lot and then He-Man goes "SKELETOR! YOU'RE SO MONEY SUPERMARKET." And then Skeletor laughs.
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He's Space Conan. Just give him a bit more of than Prince Adam being a dope unless he has to be He-Man. Have him gain some skills from his mother being a Space Jockey.
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>>92095340
The old cartoon and short lived reboot worked fine for what they were, why recycle He-Man yet again?
That shit had its time.
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He-Man Thundercats was great. But honestly, I don't see live action working for MotU when it *didn't* work even back in the 80s.

I'll confess that I only read the new MotU comics up to the DCU crossover, and I acknowledge that some of the later stuf was well recieved, but what i read of the later stuff felt like it was missing some points. (And to be frank, the original depiction of King Grayskull was better.)

He-Man doesn't need to be super serious. It needs a good writing staff who understands it works best as a sort of Sword N Sorcery version of Shazam! and not a grimdark scifantasy series. I mean, laser guns and vehicles aside, if I wanted a darker, more serious He-Man, i'd just go read Conan comics.
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>>92095340
Wait. Are you from Sony?
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>>92095340
Make Conan the Barbarian in a high fantasy while embracing tropes found on common pulp magazines and invert them, give them a modern twist, or both.

Also blue ball your audience a lot.
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>>92095340
The newer cartoon they aired on CN a few years back was pretty good.

Maybe we just let it be now, though.
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Honestly, I think it would be best like they did in the in the reboot where Prince Adam was a teenager.

I mean, how many people in Eternia are built like that and have paige boy haircuts?
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>>92095580
Can't be, he didn't phrase his question as "how can we shoehorn Adam Sandler into a He-Man movie?"
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>>92095340
Just don't use his classic appearance, face and hair-wise. Op;s pic and the look from the early 2000's cartoon work just better. But that blonde Prince Valiant hair and the super high cheekbones just look fucking silly.
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>>92095493
Are you ok anon?
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Bravestarr IDW series when?
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>>92095647

I mean, Orko isn't going to voice himself...
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I'd unironically say the best option would be a cheesy low budget adult swim comedy that doesn't even try to be a reboot or any shit like that. Just He-man chilling and having retarded adventures.
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>>92095710
Is it bad I kinda want this?
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>>92095340
Just do what they did in the modern MOTU comics and animated series, from 2002 and afterwards.

They are epic, fantastic Sword & Planet series. Like John Carter meets Conan meets Star Wars meets Lord of the Rings. Masters of the Universe is the ultimate Fantasy franchise if it's made right. Barbarians, undead wizards, gods, dragons, cyborgs, dinosaurs, crazy technology, all mixed up in a crazy world.
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>>92096088
I was just thinking the same thing. It would be awful, but FUN awful.
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>>92095340
It's just Conan the Barbarian for kids. It's not complicated.
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>>92095647
Making him play He-Man and She-Ra, it work on Ja... I can't even finish the sentence
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>>92095340
He-Man must fight the evil patriarchy,
and replace it with an even better patriarchy

memes aside, it does seem like if you want to do something about a guy called He-Man you're gonna wanna do a long deep examination of masculinity and the concept of the 'ideal man' the 'man's man' the 'overman' the 'platonic ideal f manliness' in a very morrisson kind of way

or you can just drop the he-man thing entirely to just have Adam, Prince. but that's the pussy way out
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Change He-man into a cute girl.
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>>92095647
Adam Sandler as He-Man/Prince Adam
Amy Schumer as She-Ra

Who else are Sony's go-tos?
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>>92096494
Masters of the Universe it's a mix of different genres. And it has become far more complicated as a franchise with a lot of world building behind.
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>>92096696
>And it has become far more complicated as a franchise with a lot of world building behind.
Yep. Too dense with bullshit for non-autists.
It's why these 80's properties need a reboot. So that they can actually get new fans and money into them.
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>>92096633
The franchise is called Masters of the Universe not He-Man.
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>>92095340
I'd probably change his name. Like, I don't understand why anyone would deliberately call himself "He-Man".
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>>92096787
It's a title. It comes with The Power. And then he can poke fun at it himself. Now we can get the kids to laugh at our quips!
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>>92096737
The Masters of the Universe is part of the early 80's gold era of Sword and Sorcery. The genre is dead since then. For this reason better to keep He-Man as a good Fantasy franchise, instead of "make it work to a new generation of fans", which is doubtful if it will ever happen (take the New Adventures of He-Man for example).
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>>92096787
"heman" according to dicitionary means "big muscular man" so it fits the description of the main character. It's not more ridiculous than orher /co/ code names like "Hulk" or "Rogue".
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By making it balls to the wall insane like any good cocaine fueled album cover from the 80s?
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>>92095340
>How can you even make Heman work?
You play it completely straight, hamminess, macho-ness, MYAAAAR, and all.To many properties now try to be "self aware" or self deprecating of their ridiculousness or even worse, try and make it "mature" and serious. I want a show about a half naked muscle man kicking the shit out of a skeleton wizard and I want it without any eyebrow waggles or "thematic depth".
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>>92096854
Then enjoy your dead, decaying franchise.
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>>92096940
Better dead, than violated.
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>>92095340
Either embrace the campiness or play it as straight as you possibly can.

HEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEEEEEEEY
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>>92096939
This. People need to stop looking for poignancy in a property made for children.
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>>92096974
that's not what your dad said last night
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>>92097094
The comics are made for children too, but most people want more depth from them.

And Masters of the Universe maybe started as a toy line, but it has fcharacters that fight wit swords and axes. Do you belive that they have them for display? Besides kids will never going to get interested again to this kind of action figures again. The 2002 animated series was the right path for Masters of the Universe. They can use this as a guide.
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pants
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>>92097094
I think this is why I like kids cartoons in the first place, they are the only things anymore that can actually take themselves seriously and not be ironic.
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>>92096939
Fucking this.
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Probably in the minority here but I think a movie could work.

If they didn't try to make it gritty and dark, of course.
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>>92096649
He's got a sister. She's off in another dimension leading a Horde.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECoyIiLtGYM
HAVE A GOOD SKELETOR COSTUME.
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>>92095340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqhLn76kCv0
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>>92096974
So there I was, trying to get stiff before she did...
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>>92095340
Just keep as campy (not the self-aware kind though) and homo-erotic as possible.
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>>92096696
space, magic and science
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>>92095340
Make him a woman.
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>>92095340

I honestly don't think it can. It was a product of its time. Every attempt to re-capture the era has resulted in disaster...well, except Voltron and I'm still in disbelief on how good it is.
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>>92101451
Wouldn't that just be She-Ra?
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>>92101451
She-ha is his twin sister, man. Redundant.
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Give him a badass beard
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>>92101451
Rule63 fags pls go and stay go.
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>>92101493
New Voltron is rubbish.
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>>92101633
He didn't say make Adam a woman...
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>>92095340
Give him a more respectable outfit and you literally won't have to change anything else.
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It should be done like this.

Start with the introduction of the MOTU Universe.
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>>92102876
Begin with the cosmic part of the Masters of the Universe. The creation of the interdimensional/celestial Horde Empire. How Hordak became the leader, his war against the Cosmic Enforcers and his triumph.
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>>92095340
Cut of his welfare and start repossessing his land and equipment until he starts making regular payments. He'll work or go destitute.
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>>92102933
That bit where he absconds with the Infant Princess after fighting the King and his Space Warrior Wife.
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>>92102933
holy crap. How many MotU comics look like this?
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>>92102876
>photoshop layer blending options>fx>bevel/emboss
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>>92095340
He-Man was a toy seller, the new cartoon from a few years back was alright, we don't need another He-Man cartoon.
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I'd say play up the crazy Frazetta/Jack Kirby influence. It's basically Conan meets New Gods so go bonkers with it, The 2000s reboot didn't go cosmic and weird enough.
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>>92102876
Lets start with the Arrival of Captain Glenn of Earth.
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>>92102933
>Keith "goofy faces" Giffen drew this.
Damn good Kirby pastiche!
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>>92102933
>>92102953
No not yet.

Hordak's story that starts 1 million years before He-Man.

Then we move on Eternia, ane we move from "Jack Kirby's New Gods" of Eternia to "Robert E Howard" (let's not forget that He-Man, Skeletor, King Hsss and the Snake Men are inspired by Conan, Thulsa Doom, Thoth Amon and Howard's Serpent Men). The story continues with how the Snake Men, the First Ones as they called, they became the rulers of Eternia, and how King Hsss came to power.
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>>92096939
This anon knows whats up
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Get a time machine and get Brenden Fraser around this time in his life
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>>92103057
I just realized I was thinking of Kevin Maguire...got my JLI guys crossed
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Good news, /co/. David Goyer is writing the next MotU movie.
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>>92103062
Story proceeds with the Powers of Grayskull storyline, which is basically the Silmarillion of MOTU (swift to Tolkien's epic tone).

It's narrated the war between the Eternians against the Snake Men for their freedom.
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>>92095340
what's the point of the wonder woman skirt? Brah has briefs
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>>92103126
We have the 1st Horde invasion

A former slave named D'vann Grayskull unites all the free people of Eternia against Hordak. He became King, and we will see how and why he forged the famous twin Swords. Hordak is defeated and banished, but D'vann dies betrayed by the Gar. The Gar established a tyranny, which falls by Prince Gray, the only living heir of D'vann.
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>>92103179
Then as the timeline moves forward, the plot proceeds with the Sons of Miro story.

This is the introduction of two mighty princes of King Grayskull's bloodline, Keldor and Randor. Keldor is the first born, but he is the illegitimate son of King Miro and a Gar woman, which was prohibited. So his right on throne was denied. Keldor turns against his brother, he left Eternos, and he finds a connection with Hordak banished for over a 1000 years in the dimension of Despondos. Hordak offers to the prince his help against his brother, and agrees to train him in the dark arts. In exchange Skeletor offers to help Hordak in order to escape from Despondos.
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>>92103303
In the meantime a spaceship from Earth lands on Eternia, bringing Marlena Glenn on the planet.

Randor finds her, they fell in love and soon married. Marlena (basically she is the John Carter of the MOTU world, so here it comes to play Burroughs's influence) helps him in his war against Keldor. She became pregnant to twins, a boy and a girl, but the girl will be taken away by Keldor (without anyone to know that he was him behind this, except the Sorceress) and delivered at Hordak on Despondos, after his request.
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>>92096649
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Tim Seeley is a big big fan of MotU. DC, just put him on the book.
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>>92095340

Have him grow a beard.
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>>92096649
>>92103407
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>>92103423
He-Man grow a beard, when he becomes King.
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>>92103407
>>92103436
There is already Teela in her barbarian Queen outfit, and she looks much better.
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>>92103384
The war between Keldor and Randor, comes to an end, with the final battle at the Halls of Wisdom, when Keldor tried to murder the Council of the Elders. Keldor badly injured, with the help of his lover and second in command Evil-Lyn escapes to Hordak's sanctuary. Hordak transported him om Despondos and Etheria, and by using magic and sceince merged Keldor with an extradimensional demon, for save his life. Skeletor was born.
Skeletor will remain as Hordak's general on Etheria, then he turned against him and escape on Eternia. There he will gather again his former allies, he will bring down the Mystic Wall and he will march aganst his brother. In the meantime Adam now a teen, he will be called by a strange woman called the Sorceress of Grayskull about the Sword of Power and his destiny. In order to save his world (already turned in a big part to a post apocalyptic barbaric wasteland from the previous war), he will accept his destiny and he will become He-Man. The rest of the story could proceed following the 2002 animated series and the modern comics's and mini comic's events.
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>>92103451

Has there been any explanation why He-Man's symbol is the Iron Cross?
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>>92103615
According to the MOTU mythos, the Iron Cross is a actually the symbol of the Starseed, source of He-Man's power.
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>>92103589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zffk-Lw8cwE
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>>92095618
>Also blue ball your audience a lot.

/thread
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>>92102933

Those fucking bad Kirby faces....
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>>92103083

This is very true. He's the only person who could have played Heman.
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>>92104008
>Quesada still butthurt about Giffen leaving for DC
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>>92096696
>That fanart
>and the artist even included obscure as fuck villains

I'm surprised anyone even remember Goat Man and Strong Arm
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>>92104065

Do tell?
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>>92095340
only way im buying heman again is if i could return to my 4 year old self in the 80s. So a reverse-aging time machine should work.
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>>92103083
Only that He-Man is massive, not some skinny little shit. You will need a bodybuilder or a wrestler, for doing him justice.
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>>92104419
>You will need a bodybuilder or a wrestler, for doing him justice.

That would suck, and you know it.

Aside from the Rock, what wrestler actually has or had the acting chops to actually take centre stage in a big budget movie and have it not tank?
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>>92104491
Being 100% serious, i think John Cena could have pulled it off. I've long thought that he'd make a great Hawkman and actually isn't that bad an actor at the movies he's in.

Though to be fair we've probably missed the window of opportunity and he looks too old now, not to mention how weird he'd be with longer hair.
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>>92103469
too ugly, too american. He-waifu is the best, and you disgusting numales need to learn it
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How I would do Masters of the Universe
>Push the sci-fi elements that usually get overshadowed by the sword-and-sorcery stuff.
>Eternia, in it's civilized parts, is a slightly futuristic society that relies more on technology than magic
>Magic, in the mainstream thinking, is pretty much relegated to Orko-tier conjuring
>There would be a secret group of conspirators, lead by Keldor, who are pretty learned on occult matters, and since there's no real defenses against magic in this society, they get pretty well fucked over.
>Man-At-Arms manages to get the Royal Family off planet so we can have some space adventures
>They gather allies to help them reclaim the planet, and avoid Keldor's bounty hunters (And this would be my opportunity to foreshadow the Evil Horde as a galactic empire)
>Adam doesn't actually gain the powers of Castle Greyskull or the title of He-Man until the Nth hour when it's crunch time, and after he's developed over the course of the first season to actually earn it. At this point, Keldor also becomes Skeletor when he's corrupted by his own black magic.
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>>92104419
>>92104491
>>92104713
Dolph Lungren did a decent job of appearing the part in the Masters of the Universe movie. sure the film was complete crap, but he definitely did a decent live action he-man.
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>>92095708
I'd read it
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>>92105505
>Space Adventures

No thanks. The last time that He-Man went to space adventures was called New Adventures, it was a completely crap, and almost destroyed the franchise for almost a decade.
Masters of the Universe must remain a Sword & Sorcery/Sword & Planet franchise. This is how it became famous, this is the most well known version. Otherwise it will be He-Man only by name (see again New Adventures).
The MOTU cosmic part should involve the Cosmic Enforcers, and the Horde Empire. Nothing else.
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>>92104713
>>92104491
John Cena would be a really good choice for He-Ma's role.
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>>92095558
Money
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>>92104988
I believe that you are the NuMale here. Barbarian Teela is one of the first and best female presences in the MOTU mythos, and certainly better than this transgender crap.
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>>92106415
No, New Adventures didn't fail because it went to space, it failed because it tossed literally EVERYTHING out the fucking window besides He-Man and Skeletor

What I'm talking about would still be Eternia-centric, but not confined constantly to that planet. All the traditional characters would still be present. And the end goal of the "planet hopping" would be to return to Eternia and put Skeletor back in his place.
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>>92095340
In film? You can't as long as you use the name 'He-Man.'
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>>92095340
>How can you even make Heman work?

Have him prepare his resume. Make sure skills that are appropriate to his favored job are emphasized. Ensure he dresses appropriately for the employment exam and interview. Hope that he gets called for a final interview and job offer. EZ
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>>92106562
This could be in a possible 4th movie (after Hordak's and King Hsss's defeat), when He-Man and She-Ra went in space to fight against the Horde Empire. But the 1st movie apart from an introduction about the MOTU's Universe, needs to remain exclusively on Eternia, and do the necessary world building. Besides history teach that every time He-Man went out of Eternia, it was a disaster (87's movie, New Adventures etc). So better not repeat the mistakes of the past.
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>>92106456
No one would want to see that
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>>92106675
Whatever. At any case He-Man's cast needs to be a huge muscled guy. Doesn't matter if he is not professional actor yet. He needs to look the part. When Arnold Schwarzenegger played Conan, he was almost unknown, but he did a decent work playing the part.
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Change He-Man into a girl, like Whor
>>92103436
yup
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>>92095340
Why is the fanartist using Chris Evans as the face inspiration for Prince Adam?
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>>92106853
There is She-Ra, Teela already retardanon.
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>>92106898
Doesn't matter. If you want new readers you need to CHANGE THE STATUS QUO
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>>92106924
New readers my ass. He-Man is a nostalgia based franchise Keep that crap for some Marvel transgender fantasy (which worked like a crap for Marvel anyway, since their sales shink).
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A 1:1 adaptation of the Master's of the Universe comic from 2011.
FIRST ARC (ie memory loss)

That way you can have his origin told in flashbacks as he slowly regains his memory while also having the characters already know each other.
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>>92095618
Fuck you
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>>92103303
Sorceress' Staff,
Evil Lynn's Staff,
Havok Staff
King Hiss' staff

What is that claw one in the middle?
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>>92101451
14 year old Animefags don't know the series has barbarian bitches sine the beginning. One of them having the same power and same sword as He-Man...

She-Ra had a crew of stacked barbarian and wizard girls.
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>>92103469
Shitty generic western crap
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>>92109549
This stuff belongs to Prince Gray a.k.a He-Ro I. He is one of the most powerful wizards and he was supposed to be the original ancestor of He-Man in the 80's. Then the 2002 animated series introduced King Grayskull as He-Man's ancestor, and Gray has been left out. Later the DC He-Man comics restored He-Ro as part of He-Man's bloodline, by becoming the son and only surviving member of King Grayskull's and Queen Veena's family.
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>>92109744
Enjoy Korra then and get the fuck out. This is Masters of the Universe thread.
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>>92106537
Barbarian Teela is the same old un-sexy vanilla third rate middle-aged shit we have seen a thousand times since the silver age.

He-Waifu is fucking cute and if you do not love this over your boring western crap then you are a faggot.
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>>92109899
Enjoy being old and behind the times grandpa

Viewers want waifus and they are not getting it from this generic shit tier fagfest
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>>92109599
40 year old grandpas don't know no one gives a fucking fuck about your toy commercial nostalgia driven fantasies.
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>>92109990
>>92110022
You are clearly the faggot here. So get the fuck out and back to Korra retard. Epic heroic fantasy is just not for you.
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>>92095710
Sandler voicing Snarf would be good. His voice is built for it.

Orko... nah. Not so much. Not so much at all, in fact.
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>>92110053
Why are you in this thread idiot then? Go play with your immaginary waifus.
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>>92095340
Bring Alan Oppenheimer back as Skeletor
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Fuck that noise, it's waifu time now!
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>>92095447

And He-Man is buying so many bananas, and I don't understand why. Is this some joke I need explained to me?
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>>92095340
Where have you fags been over the past two weeks? He-Man already works well.

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>>92110144
Because OP is asking how to make it work, this is what will make it work
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>>92110334
OP also asked no retarded memes. So GTFO.
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>>92095340

More oil, a modernized transformation sequence that shows off his butt a lot better, not a bodybuilder bod and hair on his goddam chest.

Basically aim for the No Homo audience.
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>>92096649
People in this thread right now actually think for a second that cute barbarian girls cannot work.
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>>92110391
>Goes from that shota wearing leggings to this >>92110459

Yeah, you're covering all the bases right there.
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>>92110465
They certainly do
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Why not give everyone what they want and have a cute loli turn into oiled tanned He-Man?

there has to be a rule that is specifically that
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>>92095340
Weren't the comics being published by DC okay? I know they did Justice League and Thundercats crossovers. I think Abnett was writing it so I assume it was decent.
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>>92110681
The majority of the MOTU comics from 2002 (pubblushed by Image and MVC), and the 2012-17 have been solid.
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>>92110232
Bananas = gay
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>>92095340
By giving him a Toyline were you can buy the villians and not 10 different He-Man or Skeletors occupying half of the box they ccome in.
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>>92111747
But i overflew this thread and saw good ideas to make it a whole universe.
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>>92111784
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>>92111811
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Emphasize the magitech stuff of the setting since that's basically the only somewhat unique thing about it.
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>>92095340
Or do a good additional game to stirr up interest in the comic
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>>92095340
Make it like Flash Gordon.

DOn't try and dilute the cheesy 80s of it. Make ti glam rock and guitar solos with laser lights everywhere.

Do not try and write it for a more 'modern' feel.
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>>92095340
do we have an idea how strong he is
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>>92112151
Strong enough to grab and carry a big boulder over his head.
But not strong enough to free himself with an explosion out of a house big landslide.
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>>92112151
He-Man's strength is inconsistent but it's impressive. Even Lion-O admitted it when they fought. Let's say that he is as strong as the situation demands.
And for answering to OP's question, just create a He-Man/Thundercats shared Universe. The recent crossover's sales show that there is a certain hype if they try something similar.
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>>92112684
If i was in charge of lore/plot of He-Man, i would go magic or where He-Mans feed on is like water, sometimes its a high tide, sometimes low.
That would kinda explain that sometimes a character using strength or magic is strong and sometimes even stronger.
Or bind it to He-Mans will, like an animal in danger or a human in stress can tap on more strenght than in other situations
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>>92095627
Unfortunately the reboot got canceled because the toy line wasn't selling well enough. And the toy line flopped because the shelves were glutted with nothing but stupid gimmicky variants of He-Man and Skeletor, instead of just selling standard He-Man and Skeletor plus a proper supply of all the supporting cast.
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>>92112971
This is a good explanation.
There is also the problem that since Grayskull's Power is the greatest in the Universe, He-Man must use it wisely. It's part of why Adam has been chosen to wield the Sword of Power. If He-Man uses his power without limits, then he could be corrupted, lose his humanity and turn to what he swore to fight against to.
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>>92113281
And we know already that in the MOTU Multiverse, there is at least one reality called Anti-Eternia where He-Man was consumed by the Power and became somekind of tyrannical evil god (the equivalent of DC's Injustice).
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>>92096649
She-Man would certainly be an effective marketing decision in this current political climate.
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>>92095340
They'd have to name him It-Person.
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>>92095561
>He-Man Thundercats was great. But honestly, I don't see live action working for MotU when it *didn't* work even back in the 80s.

But 80s live-action He-Man was nothing like He-Man.

>No Adam/no transformation
>No Battlecat
>Skeletor isn't yellow, doesn't wear blue, doesn't cackle like a maniac or wail at his underlings...
>Set mostly on Earth
>Hardly any gimmicky-powered characters
>Very little mythology on things like the sword, Greyskull, the Sorceress...
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>>92113588
Politics can go to fuck itself. This here is Epic Fantasy. Or Conan should be turn to Conanina too, fot the satisfaction of a couple of fags's wet dreams.
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>>92095561
Yes, it needs writers (maybe some of the originals if they're still around) that understand the essentials of why He-Man was good. Who can tell new stories in the spirit of the old. I think part of why He-Man worked was the moral woven into each episode and explained at the end. These often went beyond simple "be nice to each other" and were topics that can be beneficial to anyone, even adults. Whether it was because of avoiding FCC scrutiny or not, He-Man never hurt anyone. At 40 years old I can honestly say that '80's Filmation He-Man is still a good role model.

I've only got a small idea of how losing that guaranteed large base of children viewers affected the toy and cartoon market. Maybe the "grimdark super serious" stuff is companies feeling around trying to find a market again, but it doesn't feel right. Although, Exo Squad managed to find a good balance.
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>>92104491

Schwarzenegger never had the 'acting chops' to be a massive film star. If you want a He-Man movie where the main guy's giving some kind of Matt Damon or Tom Hardy performance then you don't want a He-Man movie.
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>>92113913
Using a barbarian warrior as a "role model" is stupid. There is a reason of why the Filmation cartoon failed so hard the test of time.
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>>92113959

Old cartoon He-Man wasn't a barbarian warrior. He was a fantasy/sci-fi superhero.
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>>92113959
Is it stupid? With all that power and strength, He-Man still chooses to always do the right thing without harming anyone. In "The Problem with Power" when he thinks he has killed someone, he is so distraught he throws the magic sword in to a bottomless pit and gives up the ability to be He-Man.

The fact people still remember and discuss the cartoon says otherwise. Why don't you explain why you think a warrior role model is stupid, or are you just trolling?
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>>92095340
Thor: Ragnarok - starring Mattel characters
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>>92114275

His action figure came out with any kind of weapons. Sword, axe, shield etc.
And in the first comics appearance He-Man was a barbarian until the bone. And he used these weapons.
It was a Filmation to a pure man's superman. But even in that case it was hypocritical, having He-Man as a "role model" and making moral lessons, when constantly he was lying to his loved ones.
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>>92096696
Hire this artist.
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>>92113281
Thx

And like that explanation in the comic. So Hordak and King is are corrupted He-Mans?

>>92113447
Anti-Eternia is more like Bizarro World from Superman or the Star Trek Mirrorverse.
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>>92114561
No not of course.

Hordak is a demigod that rules a galactic empire, and he wants Grayskull's power to become omnipotent.

Hsss is the King of the ancient race of the Snake Men, an immortal sorcerer that wants the same power to restore himself and his kind as the ruling class of the Universe.
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>>92113913
I think that you are right.
See how many still are fans of He-Man. Even the 200X generated fans.
If its done right, it will catch on.
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I remember when I was a kid I used to love the rebooted He-man show, what else would you guys recommend I read in the setting? Is the original series worth a watch?
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>>92113959
Barbarian Warrior isnt quite right. Sure it has some still left. But its more like the honest, fair barbarian.

And did the Filmation cartoon failed?
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>>92111747
>Original 80's toy line had at least ten different variants of He-Man and Skeletor

Let's try this again new guy
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>>92115134
Filmation is good. It kinda aged good if you can see the heavy reuse of animations and the typical Filmation "learn this lesson" end.
Its worth a watch.
She-Ra is better than the He-Man because it feels more like connected episodes.
He-Man Adventure is only Ok. Would say you can skip that. Its more like the Zelda series.
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>>92115183
The best term is "heroic barbarian warrior". He-Man was not like Conan, a mercenary, a soldier of fortune. But he was still a warrior that he was fighting to save his world. And as any warrior, in the battlefield, he was making use of his weapons in the first mini comics and comics.

I said that the Filmation cartoon "failed the test of time". It's outdated, and its He-Man acting like a pure superman knock off, it was boring. It took away the original Sword & Sorcery atmosphere of the Alcala and Texeira mini comics.
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>>92115188
And?
That what kinda broke in the 80s He-Mans back.
And villians or masters were avaible. The packages were good sorted but nowadays its more like "Lets stuff 10 He-Mans in there and 4 different villians and heroes"
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>>92115386
Only the first 6 episodes of She-Ra's series are connected. Afterwards it has the same episodic nature, and becomes even more ridiculous than He-Man, with She-Ra leaving at least 4 times Hordak to escape, when she could captured him and end the story on Etheria.

The best Masters of the Universe animated series was by far the 2002 one. Solid storylines, continuation, a well building background, a transformation that makes and it's an actual transformation, not just changing clothes etc.
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>>92095340
John Cena should play him, he's got the build for it
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I've always sort of found He-Man to be the least enjoyable thing about He-Man.

What if they redid it sort of "Justice League Unlimited" style, and focused on the Heroic Warriors as a team, some times omitting He-Man completely so we can have like episodes focused solely on second stringers?

The villains sometimes got that privilege (even Clawful got a solo episode where he almost took over Greyskull), but the heroes never did.They might get a prominent role (like when Mekaneck lost his son, or when Fisto told about how he reformed), but He-Man was always the main focus
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>>92115433
Sure Filmation was different. Every media or company did their own version of He-Man.
But i wont say its really outdated, it aged rather well. But you are right that he was more like a superman barbarian.
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>>92115576
The 2002 MOTU had a lot of episodes with the focus on the secondary characters. Heck even Stinkor had his own origin episode.

And He-Man is a great character if they play him right. Hist story is the hero's journey, from the arrogant prince to the defender, the leader and last hope of his world. The Eternity War maxi series show how He-Man can be a really good character.
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>>92115548
I wrote "it feels" connected. Not that it was a real season series like 2002.
Yeah, She-Ra and He-Man had the typicall "let escape the Baddie".

2002 was the best. It added very much to the mythology.
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>>92115634
Filmation it's outdated, and no it hasn't aged well. There are other 80's cartoons like Thundercats, TNMT or Silverhawks that aged better, but Filmation is not among them. It was enjoyable for its time but that's it.
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>>92115712
Filmation He-Man captured actually a lot of times Skeletor's warriors. It was only Skeletor that usually escaped, because of his magic gimmicks, (opening portals, teleportation). She-Ra on the other hand actually let Hordak go away.
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>>92115576
You are kinda right. One important thing was always the support cast and enemies.

But he was always the important character to hold it all together.
And maybe if you give him more negative charactertraits like Spiderman, it would be more interesting.
Thats why 2002 is the best series. He isnt that pure.
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>>92115731
Sure they did age better. I didnt say He-Man aged the best from all.
I say it not that bad as you think it does. Besides the heavy re-use, the "lesson learned" its still ok nowadays.

>>92115794
And? Thats happens sometimes that they write her as forgivable. At least her rebellion was the real hero and not the rebels that destroys everything. Maybe it was still some aftereffect of her Hordak indoctrination?
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>>92116124
I don't think so.
The heavy re-use it's becoming tiresome after a couple of minutes, especially when you have to watch the same action sequences over and over again. I understand the nostalgia, but Filmation doesn't work anymore.
As for She-Ra, forgivable i could understand that. But leaving Hordak escape it's completely different concept. Especially when She-Ra supposed to be the leader. And if she let her emotional state towards Hordak to influence her judgement, which means continuation of the Horde's domination, then she shouldn't lead at all.
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>>92114417
Ok, but I was specifically referring to the Filmation show. Different writer's interpretations certainly have merit but I prefer cartoon He-Man. And really was there ever a situation where Prince Adam lied to people, claiming he was not He-Man? At any rate it was a deception or omission of necessity, to protect those close to him. That could make a good story, if Skeletor discovered the secret and Adam had to leave Grayskull to spare his loved ones any direct or collateral damage.

Making He-man occasionally more fallible could work. I enjoyed the couple episodes where Bravestarr learned he'd made a mistake or jumped to the wrong conclusion. The character felt more real because of that.
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>>92116269
Protect those close to him? He is a prince. His loved ones are in a constant danger anyway. And his secret identity was discovered in the comics. But in that case didn't change much for his friends and family, because Skeletor was after them anyway, considering their family connection..
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>>92116261
Thats why i still said "rather". And the anatomie and movement is still very good. Like in Thundercats. Starhawks and Turtles animation ,as far as i remember, were not so good as the intro animation. But had more different animations, besides the whole base-starting and jet things.

But She-Ra was forgivable. Its like mockery. She showed that she wasnt afraid of him.
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>>92095340
Take the sword away at first and make him work for it. make him grow from Adam into he-man over time learning to understand his powers and the responsibility that comes with them. also expand on the whole barbarian - fantasy universe..
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>>92095340
Make it a science fiction-fantasy epic. Make He-Man peak buff and keep Adam weak. Turn Orko into a respectable wizard, and make Skeletor Adam's uncle like in the comics. Have an overarching story with Skeletor as the main villain, while having other villains in other episodes. And keep it a cartoon, for children and adults, no adult swim
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>>92116435
Well I never read the comics. And Skeletor was after Grayskull itself, not anyone in particular. You'd imagine it would be more dangerous if Skeletor knew exactly who to target and manipulate.

What's your argument anyway? Are you the "Filmation is outdated guy?" Do you want comic book He-Man in cartoon form? What do you think of She-Ra? The threat of Horde occupation might've made the situation seem more dire, especially when they threatened and terrorized townspeople. Is He-Man in that environment more your thing or is that too boring?
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>>92116816
Skeletor was not only against Grayskull. He wanted to be the ruler of Eternia. For this reason many times in the Filmation cartoon he captured the royal family, because without them being out of the game, he couldn't claim to be Eternia's conqueror.

As for She-Ra my point was that when you have Hordak in your hands and you just let him go, without not even trying to negotiate with the Horde about the terms of his release, then the whole concept becomes ridiculous. It's like you have the best card in your hands, and you just throw it away.
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>>92115458
Your casual is showing

A typical 02' era MOTU shipment box was 2 He-Man, and then 6 assorted. Not quite the same numbers you are spouting. Probably because you are 14 and full of shit.
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I wonder if they make She-Ra more magical girl than before, would it work? She is almosy 90% there now.
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>>92116810
I believe that this could be a solid storyline.
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>>92116810
>Turn Orko into a respectable wizard
Dont know but his shenigans is one thing thats a constant through every media. He is after that the tragic comic relief.
If its a series that evolves, i would rather see him mature like He-Man you mentioned.
Otherwise good ideas.
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>>92096649
You mean She-ra, Princess of Power?
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>>92117043
>It's like you have the best card in your hands, and you just throw it away.
You have a good point, but be honest, its still a cartoon, not Games of Thrones.
And Hordak is kinda like the Ice King of Adventure Time. Not saying your point is invalide.
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>>92096692
Don't you DARE fucking ruin She-Ra for me anon
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>>92117294
It's not GoT. It's simple logic. Teela for example in the Filmation, even if without powers, when she defeated Evil-Lyn in Teela's Triumph episode, she captured her. She-Ra on the other hand in a similar situation, just let Hordak go.
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>>92116810
Adding on to my previous comment, I would spend the pilot as a two parter, introducing the kingdom and royal family of Eternia, while portraying Adam as a kind and noble, yet frail prince. Show his journey from a small boy, with his father teaching him his ethics. Set Adam up as a young man who wishes to fight in Eternia's army in the war against the mysterious Skeletor, but can't because of a condition that ails him. This leads him to the town mystic, Orko, in search of a cure for his ailment. Orko informs him of a great power from an ancient castle that his family is connected to. This leads to him becoming He-Man, the strongest warrior Eternia has ever seen. (Oh by the way, make Cringer his pet house cat, Man-at-Arms his childhood friend, and Teela can be Man-at-Arms' sister.
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>>92117043
Sure, that's a fine point. But again, knowing exactly who his arch nemesis is would give Skeletor a whole new range of schemes. And the whole secret identity thing is appealing. Is every superhero that disguises their identity a deceptive liar?

She-Ra letting Hordak go might just be one of those problems of episodic vs. serialized television. The people in charge may have wanted something kids could tune in to any time and enjoy, thus the "reset button". Exo Squad was able to tell a serialized story, and some may think it was better for it. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a look.
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>>92117530
And She-Ra is a simple Cartoon.
She is forgiving (No eye for an eye), doesnt fear Hordak (he is loose? We will still stop him) and knows how to mock (im not afraid of you, begone and dont come back).
Besides she was with the Horde, she knows that if he as general is capture will cost more lifes or result in Horde making exemples and executes people. Or Hordak Prime will install a much dangerous and deadlier General for Etheria resulting in Genocide. So she is more caring to prevent outcomes that really kill people if Hordak is in custody.
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>>92117781
Depends. In the typical earth based superhero scenario, this may be necessary. But in He-Man/Adam's case is just unnecessary drama. Adam is a prince and a future king to be. Eternia is constantly under attack, and it's a feudal world with war and battles between the various factions and races. Adam as a prince he will have to lead in battle at a certain point. How is going to do it? How is going to lead them? It doesn't make sense. And there is no reason to keep a secret identity from his close ones. I believe that Lion-O 's wise words, when He-Man's identity was revealed, at the end of the He-Man/Thundercats crossover, explained it very well.
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>>92117781
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>>92118261
Hordak is the best military leader of the Horde. Horde Prime had some idiots like inspectors and burocrats at his side. If She-Ra could captured him, she would have a strong point to negotiate, and the Horde wouldn't have anymore its natural field leader. So it's a stupid strategic move to leave Hordak escape, no matter if it's for mocking or whatever other reason.
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>>92118464
Hordak is the ruthless and despotic leader of the horde.
But does the Horde negotiate and would the rebelion even kill Hordak? And do they have a cell where they can imprison Hordak? He is still very powerfull.
And if he is so important to the Horde, the Horde will seek vengance and try to use heavy lethal force.
So in your eyes She-Ra should be a warmongering hero who tries to provoce the Horde to kill more people and forcing them to be killers?

>We wont give you Hordak back
>>Ok than we will strike, enslave and kill this village
>But we have Hordak and will keep him in his prison till you leave
>>So you dont kill him? Pathetic do-gooder rebellion. Army start the anihilation weapons!
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>>92119117
These are just pure excuse. You can't expect to win then. Because without risks, without even trying to use any chance that fall in your hands, then you have just the continuation of the same status quo all over again.
And if She-Ra's ancestor, King Grayskull kick the Horde's butt out of Eternia, it was because he did something more, than just trying to preserve the same old situation.
For this reason i believe that the introduction of She-Ra in the modern comics, was much better and well handled than in the Filmation cartoon.
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>>92119374
>These are just pure excuse.
Or its just that capturing Hordak isnt the best interest for Etheria or the rebellion.
>then you have just the continuation of the same status quo all over again.
And you are right, but not as you might think.
If Hordak is from the table, than a new general which is more afraid and will use more forces. Or gets direct orders to full vengance.
History showed that if you kill some leader, a new might move up. And She-Ra might not wwant his uncertanty. She wants to annoy the horde that they see no value but just slow eating up forces/material.
>And if She-Ra's ancestor, King Grayskull kick the Horde's butt out of Eternia, it was because he did something more, than just trying to preserve the same old situation.
That are now poor excuses from you. King Grayskull was double the Power than She-Ra. And what did he more? He banished Hordak or the Horde necause he was powerfull enough to do that on a lasting basis.
>For this reason i believe that the introduction of She-Ra in the modern comics, was much better and well handled than in the Filmation cartoon.
Sure, but we talk about how She-Ra reacted IN FILMATION. And i explained, besides giving a her a holier than holy facette why she might consider in some situations to let him go to protect people and dont let the situation escalate more.
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>>92119718
King Grayskull didn't have any double power than She-Ra. He had only the Power Sword. But he decided to deal with Hordak's threat in a decisive way, even if Eternia back then was a primitive place and didn't have the Horde's technology and resources. He faced him and destroyed his mortal body, while banished his soul and his Horde on Despondos.

In the Filmation cartoon, you had the same plot episode after episode. She-Ra in the sanctuary of the Whispering Woods, she smashed some robots, she makes fun of Hordak, and then.....the same all over again. And when she had this big opportunity to have Hordak, to try something more, then she did nothing, and let him go, because she was afraid of how the Horde would react? Please. Then better not make war at all. At any case and with this i will stop it here, this kind of non sense and the non moving forward the story, are some of the reasons of why the Filmation cartoons are boring as hell to watch now.
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>>92118317
Okay, sounds like you prefer a serialized story where future consequences are considered, and may eventually come to pass. So do I sometimes. Maybe part of the fun of episodic story telling is that the big, world changing events are in some far off future. For now people can watch the good guy with a secret identity fight the bad guy, with a dash of moral lessons and no unnecessary drama. The world the characters inhabit doesn't significantly change or end, and they don't always have to for them to be good stories and shows. They're internally consistent. Calvin and Hobbes or the first Star Treks always stayed relatively static and familiar.

>>92118350
Watching ThunderCats back in 1986, I knew it was trouble when I was more attracted to Snarf than Cheetara. :(
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>>92120375
One of the best parts of the 2002 cartoons and the comics that came at the same time and afterwards, was that for the 1st time Masters of the Universe had solid storytelling and background mythos. And with that the plot moved forward. Of course they have been episodic stories, but the best part was when the story swift to epincness, like when it happened with the 2nd season before ended prematurely. The good guy vs bad guy, moral lessons etc, it's just too simplistic and overdone. Besides MOTU since the beginnings was about different factions, wizards, warlords, fighting for the greatest power in the Universe. Eternia it's like a cosmic battlefield, with a lot of depth and history behind it. Why oversimplified it, when it has the potential to be awesome?
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>>92120135
>King Grayskull didn't have any double power than She-Ra. He had only the Power Sword. But he decided to deal with Hordak's threat in a decisive way, even if Eternia back then was a primitive place and didn't have the Horde's technology and resources. He faced him and destroyed his mortal body, while banished his soul and his Horde on Despondos.
Yes and? Was this in Filmation universe? Cant Remember seeeing King Greyskull at all. Or the mention of him slaying Hordak.
And by the way he had the power to banish Hordaks soul. She-Ra has not. Another reason not to give Hordak a reason to returneasily and than snap killing innocent people.

>At any case and with this i will stop it here
You mean, that you cant disprove my arguments other than its an approach thing, a mindset on seeing things.
And sure it was partly that the series could reset and carry on. Its just a formula. Like the nowaday fornula to have an evolving plot, but have to invent new threats and have to buff that threat. Its afterall a cartoon for kids.
But to set things in perspective, in 2002 He-Man he never killed Skeletor and besides the plot of the episodes it was just always a return to status quo but in a new dress.
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>>92120375
>>92120694
Evolving storyline is good, but to be honest in the end its just like standalone episodes. It mostly just snaps back to status quo only in a new color or with powercreeping.
Both are fun, but i wouldnt go and try to judge what is better. Only "i prefer this sort of storytelling" or that this was good made by the artists.
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>>92120795
King Grayskull had the power to banish Hordak's soul, by sacrificing his own life. It was an act of sacrifice not part of his powerset. He was warned that by facing Hordak will cost his life one way or the other, but he did it anyway. She-Ra had the opportunity to end this war and thow it to the air because of the consequences?

I' m stoping here, because clearly the discussion about MOTU can't be based only to Filmation cartoons, which is just a part ofvthe franchise
Masters of the Universe had and has lot more story before and after the Filmation cartoon.
And for a franchise that has almost 300 characters if not morr, between the various media and eras, and at least 5 major official canons, new characters it's easy to invent (that means more action figures afterall). And for answering to your final argument, yes He-Man killed Skeletor in the Classics mini comics, only that He-Man discovered that Skeletor can't stay dead.
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Since the Masters of the Universe is a Multiverse, i agree that it's fair for each one to have a favorite version, instead to argue about them. There is the original barbarian mini comic-verse, the more kid friendly Filmation-verse, the space NA for the Sci/Fi fans, the 2002-verse for all ages, and the more epic Fantasy based Classics mini comics and modern comics.

By the way it's coming this month a MOTU Character Guide by Dark Horse, which cover every MOTU character and canon released so far, if you re interested.
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