Who was in the wrong here?

>>92045884
Everyone.

>>92045884
>>92045907
Most of Bojack Horseman in a nutshell

Bojack could've just walked away but he got manipulated by a stupid teenage girl who doesn't know shit. What a failure. I definitely don't feel Charlotte did anything wrong by telling the creepy unstable loser to fuck off after he almost destroyed her family.

>>92045884
Whomever drew that lightbulb being so mildly broken. No lightbulb would ever break like that.

>>92045907

I was going to say no one but that sounds more right.

The stupid little whore was wrong for trying to seduce an old man even though she knew better.

Bojack was wrong for being a fucking creep hanging out with little girls and trying to bang them while lying to himself that he wasn't.

The mom was wrong for not kicking his ass out earlier.

OP for using VLC.

>>92045907
This.
It's a defining characteristic of the show: all the characters are complete and total screw ups. They will always be undone by their own weaknesses and flaws.

>>92045884

What's wrong is acting like you own somebody who is old enough to have a libido and actively pursue someone she likes. Daughters are not cattle.

In the modern era of easily accessible condoms and birth control, the only thing that results from sex between an adult and a teenager is an orgasm, and orgasms aren't evil.

It's true you can make poor sexual choices, but that is true at any age. No actual trauma results from consensual sex between adults and minors according to all available research on the topic, only from actual forcible rape.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy

The mistaken belief that such sex is inherently harmful comes from arbitrarily classifying it as rape whether or not it was forcible.

This would be like if I lumped cases documenting the results of adult men raping adult women with the results of consensual sex between them, without differentiating between consensual sex and rape just because I arbitrarily believe all heterosexual sex is rape.

Having consensual sex with adults does not harm teenagers in any way. It just provokes their parents who are disgusted and disturbed by the sexuality of their offspring and want to delay their sexual maturation as much as possible.

>>92047355
wow, you seem really passionate about having sex with kids

>>92045884
The guy looking to rape a child

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>>92047355
lmao someone wants to fuck their underage cousin

>>92047489

Teenagers are not children or we would not have a separate word to describe them. Adolescence is a real, discrete stage of life which differs meaningfully from preadolescence and is biologically divided from it by puberty.

>>92047489
Most sexual predators are

>>92045907
fpbp

>>92047607

You're passionate about having sex with women. Are you a sexual predator?

Aren't most people passionate about sex with whoever their sexual orientation makes them attracted to?

>>92045884
Bojack is the adult here, so, him.

>>92047355
>>92047581
okay all that shit aside here's why bojack was wrong even if she was an adult: he was just going to pretend she was her mom. he'd been elbowing in on her dad's spot in the family for months and was trying to recreate his younger days with charlotte with penny instead with the whole balloons thing.

penny, regardless of her age, thought bojack was genuinely attracted to HER, but he wasn't. charlotte would have been rightfully pissed no matter how old she was because she knew what bojack was trying to do.

>>92047581
We do have different words to describe your crimes. Raping a teen nets you statutory RAPE. Which is still rape you rapist

>>92047581
and teenagers should experiment/have sexual experiences with other teenagers, adults should know better.

fuck you, fucking pedophile garbage.

>>92047629

Ok, that aspect of it is fucked up. Also while a healthy normal relationship of mutual physical and emotional attraction can conceivably exist between an adult and a minor, I also concede most of the adults who go looking for that do so for sinister reasons, and minors who go looking for adult lovers typically do so because of family dysfunction.

>>92047643
>Raping a teen nets you statutory RAPE. Which is still rape you rapist

Calling consensual sex rape because it grosses you out is arbitrary. You are now a rapist because I define rape as sex between adults.

>and teenagers should experiment/have sexual experiences with other teenagers,

Is a teenage boy with next to no emotional maturity more or less likely to break the heart of a teenage girl than an adult man?

>adults should know better.

By which you mean they should all share your exact values, just because

>>92047489
This

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>>92045884
just when I thought I forgot about this scene

>>92047527
no rape, no child

>>92045884
all three of them, for different reasons

>>92047730

See >>92047618

>>92047618
>women
>comparing women with children

Sexual predators come in all shapes and sizes and breaking the law for sex is what makes you one. My having sex isn't against the law is the biggest difference. The law agreed upon by all sane minded persons

>>92047618
actually I'm passionate about women having sex with me
I'm a fly venustrap

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I'm really sick of seeing this situations when a younger girl seduces an older dude and the if people find out about it, it's the older dude's fault and responsibility. Because he "knew better" and she was is a kid that magically didn't know anything.

Except the teenager is constantly having sex all the time with other teens. The teen girls straight up say they prefer older guys, I got rejected by three different girls in highschool who were fucking around with guys in their 20s and 30s. A big element of that was the older guys being more independent and resourceful. Someone who they can get stuff from, like booze, drugs, shelter, free food, etc and be away from their parents and peers.

The girl knows what the fuck she is doing. But as typical of women, when they're in trouble their inability to be "wrong" and take any responsibility kicks in and suddenly the slut that deliberately choose an older man was just some naive little innocent fairy magically seduced into sucking cock with the cock's magic seduction dust!

If we're going to make this kind of relationship taboo and punish it I wish we'd would the other 50% of responsible for fucking once.

nice /co/ real nice

Don't tolerate the sexual advances of your friend's daughter. This shouldn't be a hard discussion.

>>92047787
>Comparing teenagers with children

See: >>92047581

>breaking the law for sex is what makes you one.

Gays used to have to do that until very recently.

>The law agreed upon by all sane minded persons

Laws change over time.

>>92045884
Bojack should have fucked both of them right there.

>>92047690
>Calling consensual sex rape because it grosses you out is arbitrary.
> arbitrary

Arbitrary
- based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system

The reason is years of study and understanding just how fucked up it is and the system is the law. The law agrees it's not consensual which is what makes it rape. Nobody is getting arrested for consensual sex, just rape.

>>92047867
What determines the age of consent? If there's scientific evidence of a specific age, why does it vary from as young as 12 to 18?

>>92047867
>The reason is years of study and understanding just how fucked up it is

Despite popular belief, science actually shows the opposite:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy

>>92047853
just keep counting them days then I guess you sick kiddie fiddler

Bojack was. He ruined a relationship with a very old friend and accomplished nothing but building yet another excuse for him to feel sorry for himself.

Horny teenage girl was fine and would have been fine even if they did have sex. Bojack was the only one who had something to lose and he did it to himself.

>>92047889
You don't reach a magical age and are suddenly better at it, people mature at different rates than others. The legal age of consent is put at a point that should be well after people understand so that it functions as a catch-all

>>92047830
The twist is those girls didn't know what they were doing and just thought they were too mature for boys their age, when in reality the guys they were pursuing were just as immature as they were.

>>92047830
>older dude's fault and responsibility
> boo hoo being an adult entails responsibilities
> This inconveniences me

>>92047853
The laws did change. Used to be ok to sex teens and then we stopped being a 3rd world country and it was made illegal

>>92048060

Homosexuality used to be ok in many countries like Greece and Sparta, then became widely not ok because of the spread of Christianity and Islam.

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>It's this thread again

>>92047889
Real talk, your brain doesn't stop developing until you're late 20s. When you try to sex with kids, you are messing around with human beings who have fundamentally less brain power for making rational decisions than you do, not to mention life-experience and knowledge. Because of this, the relationship becomes not one of equals, but one of power/dominance. There is no such thing as a healthy sexual relationship between an adult and a minor, because the adult inherently manipulates and shapes the younger person, creating a person who is emotionally unstable, totally dependent, and will have serious relationship issues in the future.

>People in this thread advocating for a 45 year old man fucking a desperate 17 year old girl
The fuck

>>92048085
...are you, like, an ancient being?

>>92045907
Just like real life

>>92045884
Bojack
>his imagination over a woman is already fucked up and still tries to make it work
>failed then tried dicking her daughter instead

>>92047889
The law determines the age of consent. Politicians make the law. People vote on politicians based on social values and mores.

Moral reductionism is retarded. Hand-waving the totality of practical ethics and saying "there's probably a scientific answer to all of this, why is everyone being so illogical" is pure intellectual deficiency.

>>92045884
Everyone, but we can sort of forgive the teenage girl because she's an idiot child

Are people forgetting that age of consent wasn't the issue? In the state they were in, them having sex would have been legal. The issue was pretty much what >>92047629 said.

Penny was doing something wrong but didn't know any better, because she didn't know about Bojack's whole fantasy about her mom.

Bojack was absolutely wrong for letting it happen when, as Charlotte's friend and a responsible "role model" to Penny, he should have put his foot completely down and not let anything escalate beyond Penny's very first advances.

Charlotte was not wrong at all, as her friend had betrayed her trust in a major way. Bojack needed to get away from her family after that.

>>92047581
For a while we did just consider everyone either adults or children.

"Teenager" was actually a term created by corporations to be a new demographic they could market to.

>>92048442

Source

>>92048233
I see where you're coming from but to be honest anyone between the ages of 16 and 36 can be anywhere on the same spectrums of emotional and sexual maturity. I personally find huge age gaps to be a little disturbing but I've met enough people in many different walks of life to understand that a 16 year old and a 30 year old being together won't always be a one-sided "power/dominance" thing. Some people can be more or less experienced and mature regardless of age.

>>92048442
People seem to forget that people often got married and went to war and owned land as young as 14-15 within the last 150 or so years in European cultures. The threshold for what was considered an adult in society was a lot lower for a long time.

>>92048001
kek

>>92048470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0x7ho_IYc

8:36

>>92047892
> science
> post a wiki link

Kek

>>92045884
I would've fucked the girl AT ANOTHER PLACE.

When the girl was at his boat I would've driven her to a motel and fucked her brains out.

You know what I'm saying?

bojack is such a dumbass for not figuring that out.

>>92048653

The word "teenager" may be socially constructed, but puberty is not.

>>92048706
17 year olds are finished puberty my amigo

>>92048706
A biological difference isn't worth much if there's no societal difference to go along with it.

Back in the days before society recognized them differently a 5 year old or a 15 year old wouldn't have had very different lives. They both lived on the family farm and were expected to help with their parents work until they grew up and were expected to get their own job. Only difference between them would be how long before they reached that stage.

>>92048719
>http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/puberty/Pages/puberty-signs.aspx

16

> 30something year olds arguing over a cartoon discussing when puberty hits

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>>92047812
my man
proactive women a best

>>92048001
yeah. the thing is anything over 13 year old is an adult. I don't realy get why in the west you went from the natural child then adult at 13+,for some elusive teenager group with rights of adults, but non of the responsibilities.

>>92048848
Too bad Star is a wet blanket who let other women move in on her man.

>>92048899
>the thing is anything over 13 year old is an adult

Not according to the law of the land

Penny was being a rapist. BoJack said no a million times. The knocked over lamp implied she was forcing herself on him. When we come into the scene, BoJack is laying passive as Penny starts to undress him.

BoJack is mentally ill, he had already said no but she didn't respect his boundaries and at that point he hated himself so much that he was just going to let it happen. She was taking advantage of him.

>>92048978
it was the only somewhat-relevant image I had, I knew it would all go wrong

>>92049031
It says exactly that a 13 years woman can be married. A man has to be 35 or be able to finacialy able to support a wife and kids and have an ok from his father.

>>92047830
imagine making this post
like, we get it, dude, you want to fuck a kid
don't come crying to us cuz you're some kind of sicko

>>92049280
What does being married have to do with maturity?
> it says
We talking about the sign at the buffet that anyone over 13 pays the adult fee for a meal?

>>92050040
It has everything to do with being adult. Non adults can't marry, otherwise you turn in some sort of a Hindu pig that gets married at the age of 4, because it is water god fest.

>>92045907
How was the mother in the wrong?

>>92048848
Her nose is her mouth. Cannot unsee

>>92050524
Yeah the mother wasn't in the wrong.
Bojack and Penny both were, though.

>>92047867
The age of consent is 16, so it wasn't even statutory rape if you're ascribing your morality from the legality of the situation. Penny is sure to make a point of that.

>>92045907
The mother did nothing wrong. Penny should have known better but Bojack was the adult in the situation.

>>92046769
>whomever
Nigga, whom is for objects, not subjects.

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>>92045884
who was in the wrong here?

>>92051953
Shinji for not getting into the fucking robot!

there's not enough porn of this scene

>>92051916
Are you surprised people are trying too hard to seem smarter?

>>92047618
Is this bait I would be really concerned if you really believed this

>>92051953
well lets see
Gendo for being so afraid of his son he refuses to see him as anything but a tool, and for being willing to fuck over the entire human race just to be with his dad wife again
Yui for not only abandoning her family to become an eternal 'humanz wuz here' marker, but having Shinji brought over to witness her getting eaten by 01's core
Fuyutsuki for being such a beta orbiter to Yui that he helps Gendo fuck over humanity
Akagi for letting her compulsive one-up-manship with her mother continue even after her death resulting in her getting too attached to the man planning on fucking over humanity
Misato for not only getting so caught up in er first romance post-emotional coma that it ruins her ability to interact with people, but for not realizing the problem with trying to put the moves on a grieving adolescent just because its the only form of comfort you know
Rei for bending over backwards for a man that just sees her as the welcome mat he needs to step over to get to Yui
Asuka for letting her pathological need to prove herself sabotage her ability to form meaningful bonds with others, and for blaming those equally or more talented than she is for not being as ambitious as she is, refusing to acknowledge anything but ambition as reasonable cause to do what they do, and blaming them for not being as inconsiderate of others as she is when they fail to act in the way she expected them to act
Shinji for isolating himself and telling himself he's completely alone for all the years he spent being raised by his foster parents and attending grade school when he's the one who never tried to reach out to anyone, and for then licking the boot that kicks him just because they say 'I need you'
Kaworu for being so damn perfect and accepting, more than any human is, that it keeps the boy who fell in love with him from realizing how impossible his standards for 'people worth getting close to' are
and Girlfriend of Steel's for not being canon

>>92047355
You have to factor in sexual maturity, too. Teenagers can have sex, but we, as a society, have deemed them not mature enough for sex with anyone over the age of consent.

There's a lot of things people can do at a younger age (like smoking or drinking, for example), but are not allowed to do, because society says that they don't understand the implications yet.

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>>92047652
>teenager
>pedophile

Am i missing something? Did we just say "fuck meanings; i've got FEELINGS?"

>>92050524
>>92051708
>Allowing Bojack's crashing on their drive way for literally months after he shows up with a yacht in a mid-life crisis the size of Texas that even Ray Charles can see just looking at the guy
>Not in the wrong

>>92048085
>implying the greeks were United

The Spartans HATED fags. The hated Athens. Only when they had to unite against Persians did they ever unite under a single cause. And when they were done fighting them ther couldn't agree to "finish them off" and fought AGAIN.

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>>92053040
>>92048313

>>92053059
>not know sparta got on their boats and rowed away to make rome after athenian man babies wanted to squat in egypt for eternity

>>92047581
Bojack still is in the wrong here. Even if the sex itself wasn't wrong, he still was basically using Penny to get off because he couldn't bang her mom. Penny, an emotionally naive teenage, was used by an older man to scratch an itch he had for 30 years while she was convinced he liked her for who she was. Bojack may not have intentionally manipulated her but he was ready to use her when it suited his desire.

>>92048300
I don't think Penny was desperate though. Bojack was the desperate one. Penny was convinced that Bojack liked her and she liked him. She's a hormonal young person who is emotionally naive and could easily be swayed by an older person who made her feel important and showed her a fun time. Bojack was the one that used her as a plan B when Charlotte was no longer a viable option for him.

>>92050524
She invites Bojack, an old friend with old romantic baggage who she has no communication with for decades, into her home for several months as a surrogate family member, and gives him unchecked access to her daughter.

She's not responsible for Bojack trying to have sex with her daughter but she allowed an avenue for a potentially bad situation to happen. That's what put her in the wrong.

>>92054028
It's usually an unspoken piece of etiquette that if an old friend invites you into their home and you rekindle familial/filial (pardon the pun) relations with them and/or their family that trying to advance on their children in any romantic way is a huge goddamn no.

>>92054028
most people have at last enough respect for men they assume they are capable of recognizing not to have sex with your underage daughter
what sort of misandrist are you?

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>>92054268
>Taking basic precautions for your children's safety is sexist against men

>>92054214
I'm not arguing that Bojack should've been entitled to sleep with her or her daughter. I'm saying that Charlotte has some amount of responsibility for what happened.

>>92045884

Bojack. But he's damaged goods. The little girl was just being a dumb little girl, high on hormones, and her mother was just being a mother. It's not her responsibility to afford a faded old TV star opportunities to redeem himself.

>>92054268
As a mother, its your job to provide for the safety of your child. If you misplace trust, you've made a mistake, which is still a mistake.

>>92048233
>your brain doesn't stop developing until you're late 20s

are you saying the age of consent should be somewhere in the late 20s?

>the relationship becomes not one of equals

no relationships are, thinking about a relationship between a 20 something and someone in their early 30s who has their life together

>There is no such thing as a healthy sexual relationship between an adult and a minor

i don't know how you define healthy but when i was in high school i new tons of girls dating grown men who treated them right

> because the adult inherently manipulates and shapes the younger person

in any relationship the man and the woman will manipulate each other should men and women not be allowed to be together?

>creating a person who is emotionally unstable, totally dependent, and will have serious relationship issues in the future

adults get in relationships like this all the time should we make those relationship illegal?

>>92051916
>>92052194

from google

whomever

used instead of “whoever” as the object of a verb or preposition.

"I'll sing whatever I like to whomever I like"

>>92057366
In that example it's the object, but in "Whoever drew that light bulb" it's the subject

>>92052513
>they don't understand the implications yet.
The idea that sex is anything but fun comes from the judeo-christian culture and is toxic af.