Looking back, was she right?

No. There are advantages to taking gems alive, such as being able to interrogate them or convince them to change sides. It's fast and easy to permanently capture a disabled gem with no maintenance by bubbling them. If a gem can't be converted to your side you can use them as a power source for magic devices or just leave them bubbled.

malachite didn't want to shatter gems for any tactical reason. She just wanted to kill out of petty spite.

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>>92020787
I say we should let these xenos murder each other.
Who's with me?

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>>92020846
but what if I can't control my lust for them?

woolie is right, mahvel is the best fighting game

>>92020787
She would have been right if the weapon was actually good, as it was it was just a slow wind up toy that was less effective than the weapons they already used, and once they were bubbled there is pretty much no reason to shatter them anyway.

>>92020885
go fuck a hole in the ground

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>>92020885
Gulliman, get off.

>>92020846
don't you have a diamond-tipped emperor-shaped dildo to bury deeply into your anus tonight?

She had a plan, which is more than what Rose had.

>>92020944
Don't you have a Blue Diamond body pillow to fondle and cry on tonight?

>>92020836
Even disregarding the impracticality, she isn't right in that the boss said no.
Insubordination, challenged then lost in combat TWICE.
She is logically and naturally wrong. Also, lucky that the CG's didn't practice her own fucking ideals or else she'd be dust.

Wanting to kill herself after proved that she wasn't a hypocrite, at least.

>>92020963
Get off the Interwarp, Horus.

>>92020787
No. Wielding the shatter thingo effectively is much more difficult than other weapons and there is zero benefit to killing rather than capturing aside from revenge.

Bismuth, a black-coded character, is the single most needlessly violent character in the series.

>>92020787
>>92020890
This. She did not create a weapon of war, she created a weapon of terror. Something that was not supposed to instill fear in the enemy ranks by turning defeat from capture into death. Something that would have either
A) Further vilified the CGs in the eyes of Homeworld, or even justified them
B) Escalated the war into something more horrific than it already was
or C) Gave homeworld the Breaking Point the second a CG is poofed with one and it is reversed engineered and improved upon by homeworld Peridots.

I mean, look at how she first used it. she pointed it at the gem of a stationary target while making a battle cry, that looked more like an execution than a battle.

Had this been a practical and stronger weapon than the usual with the added side-effect of always killing the gem it's used on, or had it been shown that Homeworld freeing bubbled gems was a problem. then it would be grayer, but with what we got, she is clearly in the wrong.

>>92020990
that's not even a fair comparison since a body pillow is not something you penetrate yourself with violently while new fetish campaigns to drag your fat fuck greasy friends into, but sure, bub.

>>92021168
imagining*

>>92020836
This.

Plus you have to consider that the Gems fighting for Homeworld are victims in their own right. They were made to follow the Diamonds, and see their orders as absolute. They live under the Diamonds' tyranny, and most probably don't even know how bad they have it.

Rose would have wanted to save those Gems and give them a better life, which is something that can't be done if they're killed.

>>92021168
It's a fair comparison when attempting to compare a shitposter to someone who watches a cartoon based on the premise of alien rocks, and fails at THAT miserably.
Not to mention the shit it's caused over the recently.
It drove a person to suicide, became the main target of /co/'s hatred, absolutely pisses off /pol/ (a good thing, may I add), actually compared with a certain cartoon we have an entire board for now, has an entire general filled with nothing but shitposting, leaks, and waifufags.

she was right if she wanted to kill the diamonds, but she was wrong if she wanted to draw soldiers into it

https://fixitstevenjunior.tumblr.com/post/158043074920/i-still-cant-believe-the-show-actually-tried-to

>>92021298
*over the years, or recently

>>92020787
>"come join our resistance and throw off the shackles of an oppressive caste society!"
>"wait not you cant actually kill them"
>"I said stop, you know what? Fuck you you just lost your freedom. Enjoy being bubbled for a few thousand fucking years."

Why did Rose care if one of the tens of thousands of her soldiers actually wanted to kill in the fucking WAR? I mean Homeworld ends up wiping out all of them but the main four and this bubble cunt anyway.

Was is that unreasonable to actually want to kill the enemies trying to kill you and the planet?

>>92021278
She just ended up getting everyone on her side killed though

Kind of hard to wage a war when you are also trying to keep the moral high ground

>>92021316
The practice targets weren't diamond size, and she literally tried to kill Steven with the weapon.

Trying to pull the "she would have only used it on diamonds!" card is just full retard

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>>92020787
No, but she wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway.
Not like she had a form of transportation that would allow her to fly to homeworld and die in a suicide attack.

The worst thing that would have happened if Steven left her alone, is that she would have roamed the world and eventually mellowed out when she sees how pointless her rage is.
And even if she just managed to become more angry and violent, what then? She attacks the CG's?
She's still stuck on the blue marble called Dearth.

>>92021105
Honestly the pile bunker was extremely laughable compared to what modern homeworld seems to be packing.

>>92021393
Before they started writing Homeworld gems to be retarded, everything Lapis sent on the transmission heavily implied they were way more fucking advanced. Which makes considering they were already interstellar a few thousand years ago

>>92021353
i have the impression that rose revolution was never about saving all of the planets conquered by the diamonds and free the homeworld gems but rather save the planet she was in and her group of friends

>>92020937
oh fuck I lol'd.

Fuck yvraine and all the Ynnari shit.

>>92021467
I thought that was the whole point and she failed miserably. Not only did she get everyone who joined her killed but Homeworld is magnitudes stronger than before and they are down to five crystal gems and two children

>>92021514
Agreed.

>>92021585
>tfw Deldar player and it seems like they're just shafting all the other eldar factions to give the ynnari more goddamn attention

>>92021298
it's a "the fanbase is 80% of the show" anon
makes sense tho because nowadays the fanbase is 80% of the entirety of warhammer
but hey, at least you have vidya normies will play and then go back to giving a shit about once they're done

also i don't spam SU board after board everytime the word "alien" is merely mentioned

>>92021660
ah assdicks
not giving a shit*

>>92021531
To be fair, that happened because the Diamonds pulled a WMD out of fucking nowhere, that song that corrupted most of the Crystal Gems (as well as any Homeworld gems that were left behind) into gem monsters. That's the only reason why she failed, because no one knew Homeworld had a nuclear option before Earth got nuked. Even the Homeworld soldiers didn't know, going by Centipeedle's confusion. If she had known, she probably would have succeeded.

That, and Homeworld's hardly stronger. One Diamond is wracked by grief, another's gone crazy and is obsessed with destroying Earth, another is downright missing, and the last one's dead. They're running out of resources, and are forced to make cheap knock offs of old gems. If anything, Homeworld is slowly dying not from rebellion, but from a lack of anything to fuel their empire with, as well as a lack of proper leadership.

>>92020846
> le funy warhamer meem

>>92021660
Well, I heard /a/ watches the shit out of SU, and then watches the source material after they get bored of watching scenes they've already seen.

Also, there must be balance, one shitpost to balance out another.

You asked the same retarded question yesterday. Got to trash where your shit show's general belongs.

She'll be wrong because Steven will pull a new power out of his ass that lets everyone live happily ever after.

>>92021298
Body pillows piss off /pol/?

>a good thing, may I add

You're going to die alone, probably

Probably not

Gems seem pretty easily convinceable, its just that the Crystal Gems without Rose dont really have the charisma to do it which is why they stagnated. Stevens kinda good at it though

Destroy the propaganda sources (The Diamonds) and the rest fall in line -- The legend of the Crystal Gems without a doubt passes among the ranks of other gems in utmost secret so its more inspiring if they dont kill

>>92020787
What's with Maguila the Gorilla new hair?

>>92021353
>Was is that unreasonable to actually want to kill the enemies trying to kill you and the planet?

Yes, because as was previously stated 5.8 billion times it actually takes less time and effort to simply poof your enemy and reap the benefits of having infinitely powered superbatteries at your disposal.

Bismuth wanted to kill for the sake of killing, and that's worse than what the Diamonds do.

>>92020787
No, she was a fucking traitor who tried to kill her leader, liberator and friend because she didn't get to do as she pleased. You don't fucking try to murder your teammates over disagreements. She became threat and a liability.

The when she got out, acknowledged she got a second change, she again tried to murder "Rose" within one fucking day for disagreeing with her, despite "Rose" crying and pleading that they should talk it out.

Even if her political views would be sound, she's proven herself to be an extremely dangerous, unreliable traitor who'll swear her loyalty yet go berserk at the slightest provocation.

Besides, seeing how every single crystal gem including Rose and Bismuth had been Homeworld gems until very recently when they had defected into the rebels, the notion of "they all deserve to be shattered because they haven't yet made the same choice I've already made (no-one's presented the option to them yet either but so what)"

However you look at it, she was wrong. The breaking point wouldn't even have changed shit because the diamonds still would have nuked the earth when they decided it wasn't going well.

Bismuth is a traitor and anyone defending her a moron

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>>92022064
Perhaps they do, I can't give a damn about them though.

>You're going to die alone, probably
Is there any need for that type of insult?

>>92020787
Yes, I don't see how anyone could think otherwise. It only makes sense that people would be killed in a war right?

>>92022524
There are acts of war, and then there are war crimes.

>>92022544
true, but where did bismuth ever commit a war crime?

>>92020787
that abomination is a woman? what are these left-wing scumbags teaching children?

>>92022574
She didn't, yet.
She forged a weapon purely built for motionless, smaller targets.
As if it were built to kill a prisoner on their knees.

There is no tactical use on the battlefield with such a slow, difficult to aim, execution style weapon against extremely fast and strong enemies that can increase in size and strength via fusion.
Not to mention that if they do fuse there are more gems you must shatter, there is no good in holding onto the breaking point if you have to wait for it to reload to shatter another gem.

>>92020787
She could probably have convinced her comrades if she had the time and patience.

Instead it's suggested that she went berserk the moment Rose disagreed and was punished for her insubordination.

Then again none of that fucking matters because the moment the Diamonds see the rebels shattering their armies left and right with new weapons, they'd drop the corruption song/nuke sooner and the CG might have ended up worse off.

Bimsuth would have adjusted fine in a post-war Earth. It's the clash of ethics between her and Rose and her passion for war that led her astray.

>>92020787
Yes, it's 100% alright to kill tyrants, and that hypocritical cunt Rose should've been the first to go.

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>>92023689
Israel shouldn't exist.

Palestine is a shitskin land but it was there first before the Allies or mainly America were like 'alright this bit is not Israel, fuck off there, jews' while the jews were all 'Oh sweet!' the resident arabs were all 'the fuck, man?' and thus we have the common problem of today where Israel is expanding and taking over more land when it should not be and jews are being filthy subhumans that Hilter never got to purge.

>>92020787
Killing immortals for the sin of being made is not something that should be done lightly. The gem race are just slaves to their those higher than them, the concept of "thinking for yourself" was so foreign to them that it started a civil war.

>>92020787
No.

The Breaking point is an unwieldy and ineffective weapon. What's worse, the Gems have access to a quick and easy way of capturing their enemies for later later interrogation or conversion. She would've been compromising her combat effectiveness just to sate her bloodlust (shardlust?).

What makes her beyond fucking wrong is that, when her commander declined to pursue this line of research, she chimped out and attacked her. A military needs discipline and obedience to the chain of command, and she blew it big time. Rose was incredibly merciful in just bubbling her after that.

>>92023689
One state, rights heavily protected for both groups.

Regardless of who 'rightfully' owns the land or whatever the fuck, an independent Palestine is a pipe dream at this point.

>>92020787
>Her weapon was just a glorified spike

No.

It's effectiveness was limited.

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>>92020836
>>92020890
>>92021092
>Letting filthy ayys who would slaughter your people on a whim live
>not avenging the fallen and eliminating the treat in a truly permanent matter instead of leaving up to whether or not fate wants them to come back
Capeshit morality is only there for plot convenience.

>>92023689
Fuck em both, purge them all and pretend they never happened.

>>92020787
/pol/ and tumblr sure seem to think she was right.

So, no, she was probably wrong.

>>92020787
I don't watch Adventure Time that much but this is one of the ugliest character designs I've ever seen.

>>92020937
Isn't The Emperor an Eldar fucker as well?

>>92021393
actually, the fact that they're apparently still just using shit like weird gladiator clubs kind of hurts the argument about the breaking point being ineffective

>>92021365
>>92027050

If the Crystal Gems started shattering from the beginning they would not have gotten all that far due to a lack of recruitment and Homeworld pulling out the stop early.

The Crystal Gems were doomed from the start, but their moral high ground allowed them to free the Earth (for now) and left someone who has the potential to change the Diamond Authority later on.

>>92020787
>develop weapon that kills enemies
>for an ideological revolution founded on the concept of redemption and self-determination
>against an enemy that utilizes propaganda to paint you as senseless killers
>when you already have an incredibly effective method of taking prisoners
>on the eve of the most important battle in a millennia long war
>while being popular and charismatic enough to tear an irreparable schism in your faction

>"Let me show Rose. She's gonna love it."

She was wrong on so many levels it boggles the mind.

>>92020787
She would have been had the show not made her execution retarded. Her weapon needed to be actually effective then her morality would have been in the right, but as it stands she's kind of made out to be a murder happy retard trying to seem self righteous.

Bismuth should have been a way cooler character than she ended up being.

>>92023689
Two states is the only way it'll ever work.

Even then, the Arabs are bound to form a coalition and invade again if they think they can win. But if it keeps stable for a few generations it could work.

>>92023868
Nothing you said in your post is correct. I did like your image title tho.

>>92027206
No, just Guilliman. The whole Macha thing is a one-sided crush.

>>92023689
Israel is Britain's greatest mistake

No. It was against Rose's wishes to help the gems under the diamond's tyranny and was needlessly violent

Moreover it could have escalated the war and give homeworld valid reason just to nuke the planet

Rose had to look at the bigger picture beyond the war

>>92027343
>she's kind of made out to be a murder happy retard trying to seem self righteous.
that's the point.

>>92027534
It's fucking dumb because instead of presenting an interesting moral dilemma all it is is Bismuth is an idiot and all of her interesting character traits are damaged because she's a deranged murderer.

Was the point to make a stupid character instead of an interesting one? If so well done SU.

Not really. It's a good idea to kill the diamonds, barring that there is any new information that says that the diamonds play a big role the formation of gems.

If they were to take the war to Homeworld, there would be a high chance of them dying. There's like six of them, including Steven, against the entirety of the homeworld.

Rose/Steven's is more better which is essentially "stay alive and keep feeding beliefs into the system until it collapses"

>>92020787
not at all because her weapon doesn't even kill them. It just makes arms and legs that can be fused back together to make more soldiers

>>92023868
As bad as Jews are, Arabs are worse.
Tel Aviv may be a filthy kike infested hellhole, but at least it's a 1st world kike infested hellhole compared to what the Arabs managed to accomplish.
Original ownership means jack shit.

>>92027626
>Rose/Steven's is more better which is essentially "stay alive and keep feeding beliefs into the system until it collapses"

That's what really bugs me. Where the story currently is, there is literally no possible way for the crystal gems and earth not to get completely fucked over. They are outnumbered and outpowered and are dwarfed in technology.

And yet they are doing nothing!

>>92027973
It's probably going to be some kind of "power of friendship" thing. Maybe the cluster helps out in the end.

>>92028396
I'd say less that and more "everyone has the potential to seek redemption. Not the same but still just as cheesy, which we know Steven loves.

>Connie: "Of course you loved it. You love schmaltz!"

>>92028447
That's literally what happens with every villain type
>villain appears
>villain gets butt kicked
>CGs teach them friendship
>villain is on their side

>>92028515
Remember Jasper?

>>92027050
They're literally a group of rebel aayyyys. Like >>92027298 says, groups like them THRIVED on recruitment and bolstering their numbers with likeminded gems who're also unhappy with the current regime.

>>92028799
She's in the middle of one now and is currently in the "butt kicked/teaching friendship" stage.

>>92027501
I mean to be fair, they effectively DID nuke the planet, at least as far as gems are concerned, by corrupting all of the gems who lived on it.

>>92022644
She's an alien, literally does not have a vagina

>>92027973
That's because Steven and the Gems, up until now were much more content staying out of the Diamond's sightline and protecting that one specific place.

They're basically living in the proverbial Attic in Nazi Germany and have no real desire to actually take the battle TO the diamonds. They just want to keep earth safe and live out of the radar for as long as they can, which is getting increasingly more difficult for them.

>>92021429
>>92027213
They do have those special tazers that just...destroy your gem body automatically just from one touch.

Imagine an army with weapons that basically incapacitate the enemy completely just by sorta touching them.

If the war was still ongoing the Crystal Gems would've lost HARD. Especially if they managed to take out heavy hitters like rose immediately.

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>>92028937
>That's because Steven and the Gems, up until now were much more content staying out of the Diamond's sightline and protecting that one specific place.

Never forget that the whole reason Homeworld knows the crystal gems are there and the earth is in danger is because Steven acted like the autistic retarded he always is and deliberately ignored the gems because he thought he knew better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oZpRIFU_OY

>>92029759
>if it wasn't for Steven homeworld would have never known there were gems still on earth and would have been fine with waiting hundreds if not thousands of years for the cluster to finally go off

So Steven is literally the cause of all of the problems in the fucking show.A few more hundred or even thousands of years and humans would actually be able to fight Homeworld themselves with the rate we are progressing with technology.

But that little fat piece of shit had to go ruin it all by accelerating their interest in earth.

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>>92029829
>this is the face of the destroyer of humanity

>>92027626

Who would replace the diamonds if that actually happened?

As much as we think democracy/communism will replace their semi fascist regime I feel like their culture and biology would make adapting a system like that in a successful way somewhat difficult.

I feel like we'd get just a bunch of jaspers muhhing over their lost leaders instead of taking up the mantle and doing something.

If Steven somehow convinces all the hw gems into a new 'everyone is totally free in this new government and it's totally perfect and the right way to govern people' and establishes it successfully…I'm going to be pissed.

Like seriously, not only would that be the most thinly veiled soapboxing in the show, but it would make Steven even more of a Gary Stu and be one of the most unrealistic things I have seen in a long time from a show that wants to have some semblance of being 'believable' given its context.

>>92029862
Considering everyone except the diamonds seems autistically retarded and all the gems that break out of their roles end up doing literally nothing, I'm pretty sure their society would just end up collapsing.

>>92029829
The cluster was incubating in its own time, it wasn't being fed by Homeworld commands; Homeworld isn't even sure when it's going to go off (because the shitty Peridot whose job it was to monitor it Clodded up the mission). If Steven never goaded Peridot into coming and then trapped her and made her go traitor, the cluster would have emerged already and everyone would be dead.

>>92029896
That's kinda what I meant. For a seemingly superior race their core structure is extremely unstable even with the diamonds.

You'd think there would have been more rebellions and problems in their society because regardless of their 'set roles' the fact that they have sentient autonomy is a liability to their 'you can't fall out of line of your role' society.

>>92029996
They didn't used to be like this until the last season or so when they made the subordinates of the diamonds idiots. It's basically a retcon

>>92029862
There still might be some hierarchy as seen in the CGs and it seems to go with a military-ish way that homeworld has but lacks the cultural restrictions.

Basically, they're doing something close to breaking the caste system while also trying to ensure that other alien life isn't killed.

>>92030023
Most of them don't seem to be idiots. Jasper is pretty intelligent and she's a Quartz. It's the amethysts and rubies and other cannon fodder that's dumb as the rocks they came out of

>>92030057
Except the two new gems are even more idiotic.

>>92020787
No, because homeworld exclusively knows how to weaponize shattered gems.

I want Steven finding a cure for the gem mutations and testing it out on Jasper. And then I want Jasper to actually release all the bubbled gems, Bismuth included, and then shatter the CGs and their dumb temple. Then I want her to fusionrape Lapis and to punish Peridot for her betrayal. I want the Crystal Gems gone for good, they made enough trouble. The planet belongs to the Diamonds by right, they wasted enough resources with that stupid war. It's time for payback. Oh and I want Steven to stay alive for all of this. I want Rose Quartz to see the shattering of her followers and destruction of earth with her own eyes.

>>92030079
are those also cannon fodder? I thought one was fusion or something.

>>92030079
Baseless assumption. All we have is their design and presumably the fact that Gems don't know that "Maidad" isn't a name.

>>92029987
Yeah. Keep in mind the cluster emerged only like...half a year after Steven Revealed himself to Peridot. Had he just stayed silent like the gems wanted they probably wouldn't have found out about it and they would've just...exploded violently without any knowledge about why they're dying.

>>92029996
Maybe they do have lots of rebellions. We literally have no way of knowing. Steven's never asked if "The crystal Gems" were the only rebellion and all the others haven't been off planet in millenia. Who knows how many fires the Diamonds have had to put out since then.

>>92030303
I wish the Cluster didn't have such a bullshit resolution

Steven talked to it and managed to calm down the minds of hundreds if not thousands of mentally broken gems? By reminding them they aren't alone?

>>92030361
It's one of those episodes that REALLY shows how the 11 minute format hurts Steven Universe.
Had that been a 22 minute episode with steven stuck in the ether for like...half the episode constantly trying to talk them down, I feel like it'd go down easier.

Sort of like the Ben 10 episode with Alien X.

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>>92027359
Very well then.

>>92030398
What's even worse is that they had it be the same episode that they resolved the Malachite problem. And that same season they just quickly "resolved" Jasper too

>>92030348
If only the show was interested in giving us actually useful and important lore information instead of hiding it behind a wall of 'omg this is a big deal' and 'you don't need to know about that'.

>>92030440
I'd say Jasper actually got to stick around for long enough for me to care about her being corrupted.

>>92030486
It was really cathartic in the blue diamond episode when Steven finally snapped at the gems for never telling him fucking anything.
Even though I know that's probably not gonna change.

>>92030525
I still don't know why they aren't telling him shit. It just feels like Sugar holding back the lore at the detriment of the plot.

Like the whole arc with the zoo and everything was caused because Garnet just would fucking tell Steven the truth.

Also I love how they flew all the way to Korea on that stupidly small plane of his uncle. Unless this universe's earth is 1/10 the size of normal then that should have been impossible

>>92030489
She was the best character in the show next to Connie. The show has felt so empty without having a good antagonist like her

>>92028843
Wait, what? I thought she got corrupted.

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>>92030566

I think the main reason why she and some other stories tend to avoid talking about lore is because the vaguer your lore is, the less it and the show as a whole can be effectively critically challenged by your audience. It's hard to criticize something when it's not officially cannon/concrete and you have a billion fans with their own head cannons to counter your arguments.

>>92030719
she is corrupted due to her butt kicking and steven actually offered friendship. Most likely, she will be healed and be a part of the CGs in the end.

>>92030864
But it's so pointless, episode fucking 1 shows they can warp anywhere instantly

They just had the plane because nobody, and I mean NOBODY on the staff knows basic geography, signifying low intelligence.

There's an even more egregious example involving history that I can't remember, but when I saw it I was just like "oh so this show does not take place on earth then"

>>92030865
If he couldn't heal Centipeetle then why would he be able to heal Jasper

>>92031029
that's like saying "if steven couldn't summon his shield now then why would he be to summon it in a later episode?"

It's called development, mate.

>>92022457
Is there any need to post?

>>92030586
> next to Connie

>>92031029
Centipeetle got a direct hit from the diamond nuke, Jasper caught it by proxy or as an infection. It's different.

Centipeetle also spent thousands of years in her corrupted form, forgetting who or how she was supposed to be.
Jasper was bubbled mere seconds after corrupting. Steven, who has mind entering powers, also remembers who and how she was supposed to be - he even has a photo of an uncorrupted jasper.

It's different. Jasper is the easiest to heal of all the corrupted gems by far, so most likely Steven will be able to heal her before he'll be able to heal the rest

>>92027757
>As bad as Jews are, Arabs are worse.
Arabs are less intelligent, on average, than whites.
whites are, on average, less intelligent than Ashkenazim Jews

you always want your opponents to be dumber than you, so as far as enemies go, which all three have always been, Jews are worse.

>>92020836
>put them in the matrix if they refuse to defect
>thinking this is more humane than just killing creatures born to fight

>>92032775
putting them in the matrix seems to work like a time stop coma that they don't realize happens.

meaning if they're never un-bubbled they're effectively dead.

>>92033198
and to add on to that
shattering doesn't actually kill a gem, as their consciousness still exists but it's fractured. which is why gem shards can animate inanimate objects like in "frybo"

>>92020787
No. Gems can be poofed and bubbled indefinitely (provided you have the space to store them) without the need to shatter them.

This is a really straight-forward observation.

She was always right. What kind of pacifistic moron starts a war then punishes soldiers for wanting to kill?

>>92033315
a medic

>>92030489
This is true for me, too. Gotta admit i gasped a little when she started corrupting.

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>>92033252
Even if you poof them away there's always the chance they could come back to get revenge. It's better to destroy them once and for all.

>>92033632
>>92030489
I did as well but mostly because I am a fag.
how was she even able to fuse with a corrupted gem she didn't know in the first place? don't you have to be in sync with them first or something?

>>92033643
Even shards are partially sapient. Get enough of them together in one place and you'll eventually have a worse problem on your hands.

>>92029862
>Who would replace the diamonds if that actually happened?

Man, that would have been such a better show.

>Authority launches corruption nuke, but some CGs managed to get off world in time
>their ideology spreads like a wildfire, creating insurgent cells throughout the empire
>Blue is still wracked with the worst of her grief, leading to her faction becoming incredibly unstable
>Yellow becomes increasingly irrational and paranoid as she tries to stamp out the rebels, causing her faction to collapse as well
>the rebels sweep in and take advantage of the situation, eventually backing the Diamonds into a corner
>White appears, grabs her sisters, tells the rebels that if they want the empire they can have it, and then fucks off to the other side of the universe never to be seen again
>the rebels are happy at first, but soon they start falling apart
>turns out that nobody knows how to run an empire, or even agree on how they should do it
>some gems want to start the Kindergartens again to get their numbers up to snuff, others want to destroy the kindergartens forever, still more are Authority apologists that thought the original ruling system was fine but just needed better management and Gem treatment
>eventually the New Gem Republic or whatever falls into a massive civil war, with dozens of splintered factions killing each other over what to do
>the entire empire falls apart and Gemkind is on the brink of extinction because one faction blew up the Kindergartens and nobody knows how to make more
>this leaves Earth as the last functional Kindergarten in the known universe

The first two seasons would be mostly the same, except that Jasper and Peridot were surviving loyalists that came to Earth to stop the Cluster and use the Kindergarten to rebuild their dying race. Steven wins them over, but conflict would come from other faction remnants showing up seeking the same (or to just destroy earth to keep it away from their enemies).

>>92033740
Put them in a sun or a black hole. Something that destroys them at an atomic level.

Surprised that such an advanced race couldn't have employed such technology.

>>92033694
The corrupted ones seem scared of her and were probably being submissive due to fear, which probably made fusion possible but far from being stable and effective

>>92033800
The Necrons would be an excellently fitting enemy in SU.

>>92033796

Basically what I wanted to happen.

But of course sucrose is more interested in rotting our teeth with sweet sweet human slice of life and fluff.

>>92020787
If you throw away morality she was right in theory but her idea of a permanent murder weapon in a show where characters are almost immortal but still at war is stupid. What you have to consider with any new weapon technology in a war is that it can and will fall into enemy hands if enough are deployed in combat. Homeworld also has no issue with shattering gems so had they gotten their hands on one they would reverse engineer it and start equipping all their high ranked soldiers with them.

Its also stupid for her to think they could use just 1 prototype because either way Homeworld would freak and assume the worst when they get reports of multiple gem deaths which is something that doesnt happen to their soldiers, they get poofed and either bubbled indefinitely or defect. Homeworld would probably drop all their future nukes on earth.

>>92034199
this is more thought than went into the real show.

>>92022644
She's also unequivocally a violent nigger who could barely go two days not being imprisoned before trying to kill the guy that freed her.

>>92020890
Came here to post this.

>>92027213
If you're referring to Topaz from the leaks, remember that gem weapons are endemic to them as a species- it was only later with technological advancements that stuff like the Destabilizer was developed and started to be used.

>>92034199
>What you have to consider with any new weapon technology in a war is that it can and will fall into enemy hands if enough are deployed in combat. Homeworld also has no issue with shattering gems so had they gotten their hands on one they would reverse engineer it and start equipping all their high ranked soldiers with them.

This is actually a very good point. I feel as though this show fails to capitalize on a dozen of the slippery slopes that it presents.

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Ok anons, I have another question for you all.

In one episode one of the gems I think mentioned that there was such things as gem philosophers.

Why would HW allow this and what purpose would they have within HW culture?

>>92030079
The Topaz fusion seems competent enough to lay a trap with Connie's phone, and Aquamarine is going to be a child-voiced smug little bitch.

>>92034423
>I feel as though this show fails to capitalize on a dozen of the slippery slopes that it presents.
like garnets bullshit reaction to Ruby(navy) escaping?

>>92034486
>In one episode one of the gems I think mentioned that there was such things as gem philosophers.
I don't remember this, but the gems don't work 100% of the time all the time.
gem philosophy is probably a the higher up and more intelligent gems being bored and congregating in places like the water spire in their time off.

>>92034564
>gem philosophy is probably a the higher up and more intelligent gems being bored and congregating in places like the water spire in their time off.
i.e. a byproduct and not an intended function

>>92020836
I think Bismuth has a point in wanting to shatter the diamonds. Without them, the gem empire collapses due to disorder and infighting and a lot of gems would probably defect to Earth. It would end the war and save countless human lives.

>>92034486
It mentioned "thinkers", not "philosophers".

>>92032666
Hey Satan, maybe you shouldn't be picking fights with people smarter than you?

>>92034678
I'll pick fights with whoever tells me to do shit that I don't want to do you worthless piece of shit.

>>92034598

Bismuth said that the spires were built specifically for the thinkers to think in, so it would have to be an intended function.

>>92034706
>I shall do as I will

Satan confirmed!

>>92033694
There were multiple factors-

1. The corrupted gem Jasper fused with was also a quartz, possibly another jasper as well. Fusions between the same gem (Rubies) and similar enough gems in the same cast (Steven and Amethyst are both Quartzes) are much easier and more stable normally than fusions of different types of gems.

2. Jasper was likely in a similar mind state as the Ocean Jasper (the corrupted quartz)- scared, confused, angry, and wishing for freedom/victory.

>>92034724
>you can't build rec rooms for smart people to hang out in.

>>92034752
>a similar mind state
right but don't you need to be physically in sync as well? or does the QuartsXQuarts counteract that.

>>92034842
You don't.

>>92034873
then why the fuck do they dance to fuse?

>>92034798

Not if you're a Gem. You don't operate outside your function or you get your shit shattered.

If they were expending resources to build spires for the express purpose of housing thinkers, then that means there are Gems who are created for the express purpose of intellectual pursuits.

Sapphire is probably one such Gem.

>>92034936
To sync mentally.

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>>92034752
Fuck, I meant caste in regards to how easily Steven and Amethyst fused, as they're both quartz gems.

But yeah. The corrupted monster that our Jasper fuses with is definitely an Ocean Jasper. This picture is literally the second on google images after searching for 'ocean jasper'. The first also fits very well, but this picture focuses on the specific color scheme that the the gem monster has.

>>92034842
Gems being physically in sync seems to be a way to sync up their minds and emotions, since most of the fusions we see are between vastly different individuals. For a distraught Jasper and a corrupted Ocean Jasper, or between a Rose Quartz and an Amethyst who are both self-doubting self-loathing, fusion comes easier for them.

>>92034942

Doesn't that breed an environment for ideas that go against the regime? Putting smart people together even for military strategy planning still presents an opportunity to question the status quo.

The whole point of think tanks is to get a bunch of differing opinions and perspectives to construct a logical and effective approach to a problem.

>>92035021
Remember that pretty much all gems are in some way autistic- they're the organs of the larger gem matriarchy. Their lines of thinking and capability to express and understand them are very limited.

Garnet is half aristocrat with future vision, Pearl is an all-purpose servant with thousands of years of constant experience, and Amethyst is a physical-minded midget raised completely away from Homeworld.

>>92035256
>they're the organs of the larger gem matriarchy

That's a good reason why dissenters and those that don't fit in are so harshly dealt with. Look at the empire as a whole as a living body and the gems themselves as cells; you got gems that do the thinking, gems that delegate, gems that maintain order, gems that build, gems for everything. They're specialized so that gems need each other to do anything, and no one gem is supposed to be able to do more than one or two things.

Brain cells, skin cells, liver cells, nerve cells, all working in concert to keep the body in working order. Then you've got a handful of cells over here that decide one day they don't want to be part of your rectum any more and BAM! you've got cancer. Shit keeps growing and spreading and all your other systems start breaking down. The body starts to die, so you've got to chop out a good portion of your colon to stay alive.

>>92035611
So... The Qun?

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>>92035611

>Rose is the cancer of that society. All the crystal gems are cancer.

It makes so much sense now.

>>92027170
I get /pol/ but why Tumblr?

>>92036164
All the antifa kiddies who think violence should be the first resort, not the last resort.

Lots of posts acting like Steven Universe had some sort of secret agenda to stop the leftist uprising.

>>92036164
"You can't treat your bullies as people, you have to murder them"

>>92036310
I don't know how they managed to read "you should never hurt your oppressors" as the message of the episode.
Steven still literally fights against homeworld's agenda, but he's not comfortable using a weapon of terror to indiscriminately kill their captives. Or with working with someone that immediately jumps to "I'll kill you and take over" the instant someone says they disagree with her.

>>92020836
Lapis didn't power the mirror.

>>92022544
>>92022665
>implying gems follow the Geneva convention

>>92037054
>Or with working with someone that immediately jumps to "I'll kill you and take over" the instant someone says they disagree with her.
But that's exactly what Antifa would have done too.

>>92020885
Do what Greg did, Fuck 'em to death.

>>92020836
Hi sucrose, i didn't knew you liked to be in see oh

>>92027050

>my feelings are more important than actually winning the war

>>92027050
>Refers to them as ayyys
>Doesn't support capturing and interrogating them
Son, have you EVER played Xcom?

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>>92038519
>implying that you can win

>>92038626

but they did win

>>92022524

Shit like mustard gas is banned in the real world, I don't see why it would be different for aliens to have certain weapons that are considered too brutal for war.

>>92020787
>If you kill your enemies they win.

>>92022129
It's a joke drawing depicting Bismuth being "barned". Basically the body proportions go out of wack, colors get oversaturated and the personality leaves

>>92027050
This is true in cases like Batman vs. the Joker, but when it comes to easily captured and contained gems, there's no benefit in killing.

>>92037996
Of course they don't, this is why we shouldn't trust aliens.

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>>92020787
>mfw reading some of these responses
Yes. The enemy she and her comrades faced weren't above the most heinous acts conceivable to their species. Did everyone here arguing against bismuth completely forget that the diamonds called for the shattering or corruption of anyone that disobeyed, questioned, or fused? Or how they quite literally ordered dismemberment and experimentation on their own kind to create a superweapon made entirely of the still very much alive and pained gem shards? The diamonds are cunts, and there's zero reasons to play fair when you've got a clear advantage. It's like how everyone agreed to stop using trench guns and flame throwers on the krauts because "they were too cruel" despite the monstrous horse shit the Germans got up to. It's war. If it takes an enemy out, good. If it causes psychological trauma, good. If it takes the enemy out AND causes psychological trauma, then that's out-fucking-standing. The breaking point was wasted because Rose wanted to stay on some moral high ground despite the shady shit we're learning she did behind everyone's back.

>>92042642
Except the unwieldy nature of its operation and incredibly small moving target that is the actual gem means that it's not a good weapon at all. It's a tool for sadists and executioners. Not to mention the fact that poofing a gem leaves them easy prey for coup de graces anyway while being easier to pull off (Garnet poofed Peridot with her hands), and a poofed gem can quickly and easily be bubbled and taken out of the fight. Plus disembodied gems can be used to power gem technology while being prevented from reforming.

>>92042901
Unwieldy for whom, exactly? Bismuth handled it fairly easily, and the only other person we see using it is a short, fat, fourteen year old boy. That aside, do you really think bismuth wouldn't tweak it after a few test runs if she'd gotten the chance to? This is of course assuming that the sheer damage of the thing wouldn't poof a gem's body on contact without hitting the gem itself. You seem to fail to realize that using peridot as an example of alternative poofing methods is pretty dumb considering that A: not all gems are the same structurally and B: peridots are known for being especially small and weak, hence the need for enhancements. Besides that, why waste time bubbling an enemy mid combat? If the enemy sees you smash their ally into pieces then it's safe to assume they won't want to hold still long enough to collect gems that were merely poof'd since that leaves them open to the same fate. Shatter what you can and collect whatever remains after the retreat if you're that keen on keeping a power source.

>>92043227
Not that anon but.
>>92022665
Also, the shattered remains of a gem cannot power an artefact unless it were something like that one magic scroll that was destroyed.
And who's to say Bismuth would be able to tweak it if it fails her?

>>92039231
I thought that was just her in chibi form, weren't there shorts of the Crystal Gems being like that?

>>92043342
Hence the reason I said collect those that were only poof'd rather than shattered. What weapon smith worth their salt would just go bounding into the battlefield with an untested weapon? Test it at the base, tweak it where you can, send a few out with some of the grunts, then tweak it again after you get a report from whoever returns. Rinse and repeat until you've got something good. It's what we've been doing thus far, no reason to assume it'd fail now.

>literally easier to NOT shatter their enemies and just keep them bubbled
>shattering a gem doesn't even kill it, shards can still animate shit and it's pretty directly implied that gem shards live a horrifying existence with no chance of release
No, Bismuth was a retard

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>>92020787
She had a semblance of hating tyranny, but she also hated those more successful than her for little more than than the false value of equity.
So, there's no way of knowing without getting in her head or seeing what she would have done after the war.

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>>92030398
>half the episode constantly trying to talk them down
not if his argument stayed the same it fucking wouldn't
you can add another 11 minutes to the episode but that still would've not explained exactly how or why none of the gems thought about talking to eachother in those literal thousands of years they've been trapped down there or even why Steven is able to talk to them at all when they're all fucking screaming when he enters their mind, they shouldn't have been able to listen to him ffs

>>92043532
Without a gem destabilizer we have zero clue hard it is to poof every kind of gem. Barring garnet's destabilization all we have are the sneak attack on Pearl, the crushing of peridot by a much stronger gem, and corrupted jasper being impaled. Then you've got to account for how inconsistent gem endurance can be. I mean really, Pearl managed to withstand an ass kicking by Sugilite, amethyst cracks from falling into a rock from a cliff ( yet somehow received little damage from the jasper ass kicking), etc. We've got little to go on to see what they can handle before they poof.

>>92043523
That's reasonable, but Rose's rebellion only had perhaps 10'000 years? Maybe 5000 years?
And in that time who knows when Bismuth was saved, began engineering the breaking point, and tried to gain Rose's permission to use it. And even then, Bismuth might've just built it and then tried to disobey Rose which in turn bubbled her.
We don't even know exactly WHEN this occurred, so how can we know if she had the time to test it?

>>92043881
To poof a gem you just gotta hit their hard light body enough. To shatter a gem you gotta use a finicky, shitty weapon and hit a small target.

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>>92043532
>A poofed gem can come back at full strength to fuck you over for what you've done to them

Put the shards in a black hole. It's not that hard.

Poof the gem then shatter it with the weapon.

That way everyone wins.

>>92043947
Name a single example of a poofed gem escaping their bubble on their own

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>>92022665
>>92022665
>There is no tactical use on the battlefield with such a slow, difficult to aim, execution style weapon
Hahah! You are mistaken! Such weak and narrow-minded way of thinking will only make you prey to the Beasts.

>>92043898
Safe to assume it's been a while considering how she reminisced with pearl and garnet and how she mourned serval other gems when she heard what'd happened. The CGs were reduced to four after, what? Five thousand or so years? If bismuth is so inept that she can't work out the kinks in weaponry before such a long time then I can't see home world trusting her as an architect meant to build entire coliseums without expecting them to collapse.
>>92043945
Refer to my previous arguements regarding tweaking and the finicky nature of gem endurance.

>>92044119
>He doesn't use jet propelled throwing stakes.

>>92044130
Well, here's another point.
Gems aren't as adaptable as humans given their military doctrine, specifically, the fact that the gems still engage in melee combat and don't have a usage for ranged combat.
So therefore, taking that fact, this indicates the gems aren't adaptable.
Meaning Bismuth going from architect to engineer/blacksmith is actually quite flawed, like the breaking point, simply because she's not meant to be a smithy.