ROUND 6 - /co/'s favorite cartoon tournament - 4 shows remain

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Prepare for Batman vs Samurai Jack

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>>91927481

>>91927511
>1 Response

Where is star????

>>91927536
Get a load of this fag, everyone.

>>91927450
>Avatar won Futurama

Absolutely disgusting.

Avatar better not win anything. It's a top 15 show, not a top 4.

>>91927450
>Next round we'll probably hold a 3rd place matchup as well (so the two losers vs. each other).
Great idea, glad I suggested it.

>>91927536
Got eliminated by Teen Titans

>>91927536
People spite voted against it dismissing it as a "waifu show" even though it has the best characterization in cartoons as of yet.

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Looks like Teen Titans gave SpongeBob the most difficulty so far. I'm still pissed, but that softens the blow a bit.

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>Teen FakeAnimuwaifu loses against motherfucking Spongebob

finally

>Futurama loses against Avatar

can't have everything, I guess

>>91927629
>People spite voted against it dismissing it as a "waifu show" even though it has the best characterization in cartoons as of yet.
>Voted for the ultimate waifu show with much stronger characterization instead
???

>>91927565
It will easily beat Batman, and if it weren't for season 5 hype, it would beat SJ as well.

>>91927629
and just like with the Steven Universe threads with their endless waifu wanking and hatedom shitposting, Star Vs threads devolved into cuck shitposting and waifu wanking.

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>>91927629
You fucking people really overestimate just how good Star vs is.

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>>91927668
>>91927669
Like I said.

>>91927669
>You fucking people really overestimate just how good Star vs is.
Not really, I just know it's a good show.

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>>91927656
>beat Batman
Do you have any idea where you are?

>>91927450
The greatest Fatal 4-Way matchup of all time.
>The Yellow King of Nick
>The Time-Travelling Samurai of CN
>Nick's (formerly) Last Airbender
>BATMAN.

>>91927715
Its a great show, its basically Steven Universe but the showrunner knows what she doing by keeping the story on track and not letting her storyboarder going wild and keep the fucking character designs consistent and on-model.

Are you listening Sugar?

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>This contest was destined to be SJ vs Batman since they were on the list

anyone actually surprised?

>>91927715
>>91927778
You want to talk about best shows? I'll show you the best shows on this board that everyone with a brain can agree with.

1. Steven Universe
2. Avatar
3. The Simpsons
4. Teen Titans
5. Samurai Jack
900000001. SVTFOE

EZ

>>91927787
I'm more surprised at /co/ shit taste letting crap like Teen Titans and Futurama so far into the runnings.

>>91927795
>1. Steven Universe
I think you mean 900000002.

>>91927787
I was even less shocked that Steven Universe was the first eliminated due to its hatedom on this board.

>>91927787
Samurai Jack wouldn't have made it if it weren't back on the air, and Spongebob had a chance to win if it would have aired one great new episode any time recently.

>>91927795
THIS

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>>91927841
Anyone who would seriously prefer watching the sponge over the fucking samurai needs their head examined. FACT.

Over the Garden Wall would've beaten the cleaning device. Loser on the Lump was the weakest candidate in history, the tournament runners rigged it so that it would win.

>>91927795
>900000001. SVTFOE
So in terms of quality n' shit, you prefer Johnny Test, The Nutshack, Pickle & Peanut, Alan Gregory, Mega Babies, Mr. Pickles,
Wild Grinders, fucking Peppa Pig, etc. over an interdimensional bug princess who hangs out with a karate mexican, and it's overall a more decent show?
You're a fucking idiot.

>>91927872
Teen Titans couldn't touch it, and it would have wiped the floor with your pet shitshow that couldn't even last a full standard season. You're delusional.

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>>91927872
I forgot the image. But seriously, you guys are just embarrassing, picking some low-budget redneck shit over the one true GOAT and the only 10/10 cartoon ever made.

>>91927872
>niche miniseries would have beaten the most popular children's cartoon in recent history

>>91927872
>rigged
>won by 7 votes
That's a pretty shitty rigging if you ask me.

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>>91927795
>1. Steven Universe

>>91927872
>>91927935
Over the Garden Wall was fantastic, but it was basically a movie, and it's much less known than Spongebob.

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>>91927976
best cartoon in history REPRESENT

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>>91927935
I'll be honest. OTGW is a solid 7/10 at best. For whatever reason, /co/ just has a massive echo chamber around for some reason where no one can dare say anything bad about it.

>>91927935
KOTH deserved the win, especially when the rabid fans of OTWG started shitting up the thread and polls in anger.

>Bob's Burgers beating The Angry Beavers
/co/ has shit taste!

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>>91927787
>FOTM vs capeshit

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>3 out of 4 remaining are muh action cartoons

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>>91928010
>OTGW is a solid 7/10 at best

I can't even fathom this opinion.

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>>91928040
>and the other is SpongeBob

>>91927450
what a dumb tournament. Could you at least have waited until after SJ finished airing?

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>>91928024
>FOTM
I agree that the current hype is tilting things in Jack's favour, but only someone new to this board would call the show a flavour of the month.

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>>91927872
No one gives a damn about that pretentous CalArts miniseries, you pretentious New York hipster. It wasn't even good to be aired annually. Greg is an annoying meme spewing faggot, Wirt's another cookie-cutter angsty beta loser, they managed to make folksy old world shit as boring as possible, and the finale fell flat on its face. Choke on mash potatoes.

>>91928148
Your show "won" by 7 fucking votes over the supposedly pretentious CalArts miniseries. Shut the fuck up.

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Gee, look at all these opinions

>TFW Batman avenges EEnE and Futurama

>>91928255
Why are gamers so pathetic?

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>>91928148
>you pretentious New York hipster

Wrong. I'm from Long Island

Wirt is a 10/10 MC, Greg spews 0 memes, the folk elements are implemented excellently and the series rests on an unreachable aesthetic plane in general, and the finale makes me cry evertim

I'm sorry you're low-budget, zero-effort, unfunny, fat 40 year old women marketed Loser on the Lump crap that was RIGGED into the next round lost to the cleaning device under the sea. OTGW could've swept the whole tournament.

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>>91928297
Care to explain how it was "RIGGED", according to you?

>>91928323
I'm just memeing.

>>91927450
Damn Avatar and Futurama was really close. That was a tough choice. Both are really great shows but different entirely.

>>91928340
Were you this loser too? >>91927872

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Go Jack go!

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why is avatar losing to batman

>>91928040
I was beating on the Ed boys god dammit

>>91928380
Yup. OTGW is undeniably the greatest TV cartoon ever made. No other show even comes close.

Only worthy winner left is ATLA.

>>91927450
>Spongebob vs Samurai Jack
Honestly for as good and genre-defining as Spongebob was I don't think it deserves to win because of the later seasons and the more lackluster episodes of the original.
I'm still voting for it since it's obvious Jack will win by a landslide.

>Avatar vs Batman
Way too different for me to try and compare but ultimately I'm voting Batman.

>>91928479
>but ultimately I'm voting Batman.
We are no longer friends.

>>91928479
>the more lackluster episodes of the original

There were none other than the ones with Patchy

>>91928425
>beating on the Ed boys
Kevin stop!

>>91928408
Spite voting. AtLA kicked out a lot of top tier shows.

>>91928408
Don't worry, it won't last.

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>>91928509
Patchy was great. I'm talking about episodes like I'm With Stupid and The Smoking Peanut.

>>91928491
I guess society is to blame

I'm just happy Spongebob made it so far.

>>91928606
Those are both great episodes. You just have bad taste.

>>91928479
>>91928491
Don't worry, I'm your friend. Batman was my top one from the start.

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>>91927997
Thats not how you spell samurai jack tho.

>>91928580
You're the same guy who posted this about Futurama, aren't you?

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RIP Futurama

>>91928641
Was I wrong?

>>91928408
Batman deserves it.
And even if it wins, unless waifufags mass-vote, it's still going to lose to Samurai Jack

>>91928639
Samurai Jack lacks continuity in the earlier seasons, otherwise I'd probably agree with you. ATLA's greater childishness is heavily outweighed by this one major fact.

>>91928561
This. A few of my favorites were knocked out by it early so I am guilty of it

>>91928659
No, that's why I'm asking.

>>91928408
Both are great shows. I wouldn't be surprised by either one winning.

I think we should judge over what /co/ actually does best

Best Waifu tournament

>>91928408
While TLA was wonderful and definitely deserving of the top spot, I found it quite underwhelming and childish at points. After a while it became The Zuko Show (guest-starring a Gaang of less interesting characters).
Batman TAS had also it's bad episodes but it was more consistent, the cast was bigger, and I'd argue it had a bigger and more positive influence on the animation medium.

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>>91928760
Might as well make it Teen Titans only, other shows shouldn't even bother to compete.

>>91928760
If we were to do a character tournament, should it be a separate waifu/husbando tournament or just best character?

>>91928679
The earlier seasons were supposed to be episodic. That's how the series was originally pitched. Now that its ending we're finally getting the story driven show that everyone has wanted for 13+ years. Besides most cartoons should at least be a little episodic. This way a network doesn't have to marathon the show in order to replay it.

>>91928799
>Batman TAS had also it's bad episodes but it was more consistent
But this isn't true. Batman TAS's biggest problem is that it wasn't consistent. Everyone remembers it for it's best episodes, but the fact is most episodes were pretty dull and unmemorable.

The show had phenomonal direction and design, and within the context of Batman and Super hero shows can't get enough praised, but just as a stand alone show, rewatching it it's not as entertaining as it's remembered.

>>91928919
Avatar was very episodic in that individual episodes were extremely memorable, that's why you still have people discussing which one is better to this very day. You don't get that with most cartoons.

Samurai Jack has this too, of course, but Avatar combines it with strong continuity, unlike SJ.

>>91928824
Separate for waifus/husbandos then have each victor 1v1 at the end

>>91928824
Separate waifu/husbando tournaments, but don't name them waifu/husbando tournaments, just best male/female character.

>>91929050
This, weeaboo names are retarded.

>>91929002
Top 5 avatar episodes:

1. The Blue Spirit
2. Zuko Alone
3. The Chase
4. The Storm
5. Into the Inferno

>/co/ would sooner do a waifu tournament than a comics tournament
>/co/ would probably do a best anime tournament sooner than a comics tournament

>>91929194
Well considering this is a cartoons-related tournament, you could assume that most people already here would be cartoonfags moreso than comicfags

>>91929172
1. shit
2. yes
3. ok
4. yes
5. shit
Pretty poor taste desu senpai.

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>>91929000
This tbqh famlams

>>91929172
The finale of Season 2 was pretty fucking great.

>>91929194
Well most of the people in this thread are cartoon fans, which don't necessarily intersect with the comics people on /co/. If this was a tournament for best comic book there would probably be different suggestions for the next tournament.

I think probably a best animated movie tourney would be the best next option

Nice gif choices

>>91929172
Oh shit, I forgot The Avatar State. That's probably my third favorite.

>>91929258
Except for Zuko's ridiculous OOCness... and the contrived coincidences required for the plot... and the various other quasi-plotholes and BS writing.
It was pretty fucking bad... except the music.

>>91929323
What....? Literally all of those I have no idea what you're talking about.

Samurai Jack is only winning because of recent season 5 if not for it spongebob would win this very easly.

>>91929362
Zuko was apparently originally supposed to side with his uncle, that would explain why his turn back seems so sudden and OOC.
Contrived coincidences like Zuko and Katara being kept in a separate, "romantic" area while Sokka and Toph were kept in a normal jail, or Azula not taking Katara's special water away.
Quasi-plotholes and other BS writing like Aang apparently being able to just unlock his chakra on the spot despite what the Guru had said, and there being such a long transformation sequence that allowed Azula to shoot him.

Is this inspired by /v/'s numberfag tournament?

>>91929375
Porbably. And Avatar would definitely beat either one.

But instead SJ will eat spongebob and avatar

>>91929453
>Zuko was apparently originally supposed to side with his uncle, that would explain why his turn back seems so sudden and OOC.

This is a big part of the reason s3 was fucked up, it makes zero sense to not have Zuko side there

>>91929485
>Is this inspired by /v/'s numberfag tournament?
Yes

>>91927536
>Where is star????
The first season holds it down too much.
Season 2 of SVTFOE is top tier, but we have to judge shows as a whole.

>>91928135
It is the flavor of the month though, quite literally so, there's nothing else airing right now.

>>91928408
Because Batman is better

>>91929515
>This is a big part of the reason s3 was fucked up, it makes zero sense to not have Zuko side there
Book 3's crappy writing was mostly because of shipping shenanigans, some of the crew (not just Bryke) wanted Kataang, others (not just Ehasz) wanted Zutara, it all turned into a shitshow of contrived coincidences and other forced moments. Same in the Book 2 finale, both sides did it, neither is blameless at all.

Spudz who takes this seri9?

So who takes this seriously?

>>91929774
>So who takes this seriously?
Nobody. I wasn't even aware

>>91929792
But you're a fucking tool.

You think Adult Swim will use this as a sort of advertising point?

>"voted /co/'s favorite cartoon 2017!"

>>91929774
/co/ isn't the kind of board that benefits from this. The traffic isn't common enough that enough would get to vote. Instead it's the same people voting everytime.
So no, people don't take it seriously

>>91929658
Nah, shipping doesn't really take up that much time. Zutara obviously would've been a continuation of the writing in s2 but it's not like shipping was a major element of the show at any point. S3 just fucked up Zuko's characterization by giving him an unnecessary arc.

Other problems were giving Aang the avatar state back, wasting time on filler when it should be increasing in tension, making Zuko a boring fuck once he became good, adding stupid abilities like combustion man (which gave room for korra to do even more nonsensical stuff) never giving Ozai any real development and not having room for Zuko's mom mystery.

>>91929818
god no

>>91929774
Network executives. They buy shows based on polls on /co/.

True story.

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>>91929818

What kept you from voting for Star vs?

>>91929818
Why would they advertise for ATLA?

>>91929864
Season 1.

Season 2 of Star is better than anything teen titans put out, but season 1 still exists, so I have to be fair

>>91929864
>What kept you from voting for Star vs?
The first season holds it back. Otherwise it's a better show.

>>91929561
Not him, but if we did that, then Spongebob would never have gotten far

I've always been voting based on how great all of these shows are at their peak

>>91929864
Once it gets rolling it's far better than most shows on the list, but the first several episodes are generic Saturday Morning shit

>>91929831
You don't understand what I'm saying, many if not all of those problems stemmed from railroading the plot for ultimate shipping purposes. The effect was indirect, not direct.

And Aang had to get the AS back, it would have been almost as dumb as the LOK Book 2 finale if he didn't at some point. How he got it back was just written very poorly.

>>91929925
>generic Saturday Morning shit
>Dexter's Lab got top 8

>>91929921
Good for you. Most clearly havent.
The fact that hey arbors beat star wars clone wars is proof enough.

Who will win

>>91929978
>Who will win
Samuri jack

>>91929978
Don't listen to this guy >>91929993

B:TAS has this.

>>91929978
Jack.
It doesn't deserve it overall, but most people will be voting on the 5th season alone.

To be fair, the 5th season is better than anything BTAS ever put out, but overall it isn't quite up to snuff

>>91927536
Not in the semifinals, because it doesn't belong

>>91929978
Samudi Jack will win.
Batman has too much negative stigma associated with it as "le nostalgia critics favorite shoe"

>>91929885
>>91929908
>Season 2 of Star is better than anything teen titans put out
This level of delusion is literally terrifying. Guys, "Haunted" ALONE destroys ANY Star episode six ways from Sunday.

>>91928431
>greatest
wew lad

>>91927450
Putting Spongebob against Samurai Jack? That's impossible, I'm not voting. They're both the best.

>>91929864
Star season 2 is God tier and better than most shit on this list, but season 1 is meh. I can't pretend it doesn't exist 5.

>>91929936
Bryke are stupid but they're not dumb enough to base the plot off of shipping, especially when it didn't take up that much screen time at the end of the day. None of those issues stem from shipping.

And Aang absolutely should not have gotten the avatar state back, it invalidates the weight of s2 ending, and it's just a plot whole.

>>91929958
A win by 3 votes isn't proof of anything you fag.

>>91929978
>Who will win
Samuri jack will win.

>>91930030
Jack deserves to win out of the options we have right now, not because it's the best but because of what it represents.

It's made between 98 and 07, aka when the overwhelming majority of /co/'s favorites were made, isn't a franchise adaption a la TAS, and isn't riffing on another genre's artstyle a la TLA. It's /co/'s cartoon, and that's why it deserves the win.

>>91930128
>and isn't riffing on another genre's artstyle a la TLA

Anime is not a genre, nor does it have a single art style, nor are Avatar's character designs really all that similar to anime, nor is that an argument

>>91927450
OP, please tell me how to create such a thing. It seems immune to mobile posting. Please teach me. I'll pay.

>>91930093
You have no idea what you're talking about on both counts, I'm afraid. Shipping was indeed what primarily ruined Book 3, and Aang was always planned to get the Avatar State back somehow (even Ehasz agreed with this). LOK Book 2 almost literally destroyed the entire franchise by getting rid of the AS, and you wanted the same to have happened much earlier!?

(Then again, why am I arguing with someone who doesn't know how to spell "plothole"?)

>>91930207
>nor are Avatar's character designs really all that similar to anime
Pay attention kids, this is what utter insanity looks like.

>>91930275
Find one anime that looks like it

>>91928408
Because Batman is a better show, IMO

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>>91930244
>Shipping was indeed what primarily ruined Book 3
>and Aang was always planned to get the Avatar State back somehow
>even Ehasz agreed with this
>LOK Book 2 almost literally destroyed the entire franchise by getting rid of the AS
>why am I arguing with someone who doesn't know how to spell "plothole"?

None of those are arguments. Nice post.

>>91930207
Anime isn't a genre, but it isn't quite a medium, and it isn't quite an artstyle. It's perhaps best grouped as a series of interconnected artistic movements but that sounds pretentious as fuck.

Regardless, I feel like Avatar isn't representative of animation as a whole. Because of the artstyle, yes, but also because of the whole narrative style. Samurai Jack has some degree of continuity, especially in S5, but also plays with slapstick, homages, vignettes, and all sorts of other shit that I think better depicts the best parts of western animation.

Who /spongebobandbatman/ here?

>>91930381
Unfortunately I don't have a direct hotline to the crew of the show to argue with you any further, so those points will have to do. Deal with it.

>>91930431
I was team Jack but after thinking about it I might be team Spongebob, sure later seasons range from meh to shit but at it's best the comedy is so good it's never going to get old, while SJ's tone and setting isn't completively unique nor the peak of it's genre. Also Season 5 is really dissapointing.

>>91930411
No. Anime just means japanese animation. That's it. We used to call it Japanimation, but that sounded retarded so we switched to the Japanese word for animation. It's the equivalent of saying "italian opera" "french movies" "american drama"

And I wasn't the other anon

>>91930450
Knowing the crew wouldn't validate any of your arguments.

>>91930503
>Also Season 5 is really disappointing.
Compared to the sponge's later seasons it might as well be the Mona Lisa.

>>91927536
It beat out Tron: Uprising in round 1, take what victory you can out of this.

>Inb4 "lel what a butthurt."

>>91930513
>Knowing the crew wouldn't validate any of your arguments.
I meant having them tell you what actually happened behind the scenes, as opposed to your delusional fantasies.

>>91930551
But I'm still glad that Uprising made it onto the list in the first place, so I apologize for my knee-jerk reaction.

>>91930529
I'm not denying that, but when your story relies on it's storytelling rather than the comedy you better leave in a good note or the overall score is going down significally.

If Spongebob ends tomorrow in a shitty episode the old it's still gold, while if SJ ends in a shitty way it might ruin the entirety of the series.

>>91930551
>>91930585
It also beat Harvey Birdman, in case anyone cares.

>>91930558
I know what you meant. It doesn't matter what happened behind the scenes, nor did I ever make any comment on what happened behind the scenes so as to have "delusional fantasies"

>>91930617
>>91930551
Star 100% deserved to beat Harvey Birdshit and edgy tron, it deserved to beat TT too, a lot of /co/ hasn't even seen it

>>91930612
This is true, but it really looks like we're building up to an awesome finale, even if most of the season isn't all that great. It's almost too bad we haven't seen all the episodes yet... almost, because it probably raises Jack's chances.

>>91930612
Samuri jack is a better show than SpongeBob. Sorry.

>>91930643
Ah, so you're a Starfag too. Your opinions on ATLA have been fully discarded by me, have a nice day.

(And something tells me YOU haven't seen TT.)

>>91930701
>Sorry

It's okay anon, everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if that opinion it's being biased on a comparatively subpar last season.

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FUCK YOU /CO/

STEPHEN IS NOT GOING TO FUCKING DIE BEFORE WE SHOW HIM THE PROPER FUCKING RESPECT AND CROWN SPONGEBOB KING OF /CO/!!!

>>91930128
>isn't riffing on another genre's artstyle a la TLA
Well actually it kind of is. Jack is just as referential.
Not just to anime but also film (in particular the works of Akira Kurosawa), a lot of episodes are pastiches of other works.
And the show's art style pays nod to artists such as Frank Miller, Henri Rousseau and Eyvind Earle.

> It's /co/'s cartoon
No.
/co/ doesn't deserve Samurai Jack

>>91930773
Jack is unarguably much less of a ripoff than ATLA.

>>91930813
>a ripoff than ATLA

Ripoff of what?

>>91930813
That's blatantly untrue when it literally steals shots and makes references constantly, and nearly every episode plot is based on a storytelling cliche, and folk story, or something

And what does ATLA even ripoff?

>>91930730
/TEAMSPONGEBOB

>>91930847
Everything each show references. Samurai Jack is more of an homage, while ATLA is more of a direct ripoff.

>>91930896
Like what? You still have not said anything.

>>91930869
>>91930916
You want me to go through every episode in detail? No thanks, I just spent half an hour explaining the finer points of ATLA above to two random strangers

>>91930997
If you are not going to explain don't call it a ripoff, faggot.
Also
>Samurai Jack feels more like a homage
>an episode that is LITERALLY 300 with Jack

>>91930997
You refuse to provide evidence for any of your "arguments." You have the mentality of a 12 year old.

I have faith in the sponge

>>91927450
Voted Jack and Batman. Easiest round yet.

>>91930896
They're both wanking off slanties

>Aang fondles the chinese nutsack
>Jack slobers on jap cock
>tfw Perfect Hair Forever didn't even get nominated

>>91931045
You mean I refuse to provide sufficiently detailed evidence for your autism, and that is because it doesn't exist - FOR EITHER SIDE. At some point we just have to agree to disagree, though I tend to align myself with the weight of the proof.

>>91931126
>FOR EITHER SIDE

There's no sides here. You made a claim (Avatar rips off shows) and refused to provide evidence. That's not arguing, that's being a 12 year old.

>>91931031
>>91931217
Samurai Jack has a unique premise, unique artstyle, unique setting, and unique character concepts and designs. ATLA has none of those.

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>>91931385
I can't believe you still don't understand the very simple idea of providing evidence for your claims. You are either genuinely too young to be on this board, or a very, very infuriating troll.

>>91931385
SJ's setting isn't even used half of the time, it's like the creators pull a switch whenever they want the show to be set in the future or in the past. That's why Jack is in a forest one episode and in a city the next one, the setting usually doesn't go farther and at times it feels like a cheap excuse to just have Jack slice something with the sword.

Also the lore, animation, character development and voice acting is better in ATLA.

>>91930730
sorry but you've lost to a better player

>>91931487
That's the point. The setting of the show is supposed to be a dystopian future with remenants of older civilizations. Avatar was also quite diverse in it's locations.

Avatar has the better story and characters but the sound design, action sequences and filler episodes were better.

name me a episode of Samurai Jack that is memorable off-hand that isn't him getting fucked by Aku

>>91931454
You might want to take a cue from your friend right here, who actually responded to my arguments instead of posting a rant.
>>91931487
>SJ's setting isn't even used half of the time, it's like the creators pull a switch whenever they want the show to be set in the future or in the past. That's why Jack is in a forest one episode and in a city the next one, the setting usually doesn't go farther and at times it feels like a cheap excuse to just have Jack slice something with the sword.
You just described the setting.
>Also the lore, animation, character development and voice acting is better in ATLA.
Now these, every single of these I do agree with.

>>91931626
*they were better in SJ for the last paragraph

>>91927450
Honestly, I think these are the four of the best cartoons of all time, so I'm happy regardless. Good job, /co/

>>91931637
The three archers episode.

>>91931649
You still haven't made any arguments for me to respond too. And you moved the goalposts to the other side of the field.

>>91931626
>sound design
Avatar had much more advanced sound design. I remember there was a feature on the DVDs that talked about how they literally had to make up sounds from scratch because the stuff they wanted to put into the show simply didn't exist.
>action sequences
This is a joke, right? Avatar has literal martial arts moves, Samurai Jack is practically a slap fight in comparison.
>filler episodes
This is quite true, sadly, and ATLA really suffers for it. SJ wasn't always great with this either, though, particularly in season 2.

>>91931637
I'll do one better and name you an incredibly memorable episode that has NOTHING to do with Aku at all: The Scotsman Saves Jack, part 2.
What do you think of that, Mr. Shitposting Idiot?

Avatar and it's fanbase are shit and I'm glad it's losing

>>91931626
Is it? Take Jack and the Warrior Woman, it's just your average middle eastern market we've seen a million times, but since instead of human it's robots and aliens it's supposed to be set in the future, and the rest of it it's just a generic desert.

Don't get me wrong, the art is amazing, but Samurai Jack at times feels like Time Squad in the sense that it's just jumping all over the place. In ATLA the world feels like a place, an actual country and the fact that each of the benders' continents have their very distinct cutures and techologies just helps make everything feel real and original. Samurai Jack in episodes like Jack and the Scotsman just take place in a bridge, why is it there? where does it lead? why is there a need for a bridge? We know that below there's a jungle.

Also even if I would agree that sometimes SJ had great action scenes they don't come close to ATLA, call it pretend-anime all you want but the animation helps a lot to make them feel better than almost every other action cartoon out there, let alone that every element had it's own fighting style and effects, all which were carefully crafted and animated.

>>91931883
Don't expect that to last through the morning.

If SJ has a god tier ending I dont want to hear the "its just the hype from coming back" excuse.

Quality is quality.

>>91932003
But it has not ended yet, for all we know it could end in some "Jack doesn't go to the past to save Ashi" shit or something.

>>91932003
It has nothing to do with quality, the fact is SJ is more popular than usual because of S5 currently airing, which is a practically unprecedented event in western tv animation. It would not ordinarily be able to beat spongebob or avatar (although it still would've made it to this point given the bracket it had)

>>91932061
>It would not ordinarily be able to beat spongebob
I don't agree with this.

>>91932083
Samurai Jack is popular here but not that popular, only slightly above the level of courage and eene. And if it didn't get a season 5 it would literally be an unfinished show. Spongebob, although there's certainly controversy over it due to being shit for so long now, is easily the most watched cartoon, everyone watched it as a kid, and the peak years are invariably acclaimed. I doubt it beats Spongebob if no season 5

>>91931875
>asks a harmless question
>gets called a "shitposting idiot"
nice weapons grade autism there buddy

>>91932209
It was a bait question, the insult was called for.

>>91932166
>And if it didn't get a season 5 it would literally be an unfinished show.
Literally nobody cared about this before the announcement, and some people would still prefer not knowing what happens.

>>91932209
Hey, shitposting idiot, why are you such a shitposting idiot and why don't you have a girlfriend?

It's just a harmless question, mang.

>>91932379
>thinks it's a b8 question
you still have autism, you dork

>>91932043
Trust in Genndy

>>91932166
Spongebob is only good for memes

Every jack thread in the past few years gave praise unto the show

Dont care about popularity, its about the better show

>>91932460
>Trust in Genndy
After the season so far? Honestly I'm still hopefull but it's looking bad.

>>91932460
>its about the better show

And that helps in a poll how?

>>91932166
SpongeBob is literally the kids' cartoon litmus test for popularity does not equal quality.

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>>91932442
>still being a faggot
enjoy the only reason people like it

I hate Reddit and Memey, but pissing you autistic sperglord, manchildren makes my day

>>91932489
It helpa by I fucked your mother

>>91932482
Its been fantastic actually

>>91932606
>Its been fantastic actually
I disagree, maybe episode 1-3. but it feels nothing like SJ, which isn't necesarily a bad thing, but it's not only not what I was expecting, but it's an unexpected bad thing.

>>91932593
>so mad you can't even form sentences
You sure showed me.

can someone provide me the template for the tournament?

>>91932629
Considering its a conclusion its feels great being different actually. I can appreciate all the planning and work that went into it, and Genndys active involvment and care for the show

>>91932642
>thinks i'm mad
>comes in with "shitposting idiot"
you're right

/sarcasm

>>91932695
Is it different? I mean Jack is still facing Aku, it's just that in the way there we have this character nobody asked for. Some people like her and some people don't, I just think that considering they only had 10 episodes they could've used their time better than having "Jack and Ashi adventures"

>>91927450
Jack loses WE FUCKING RIOT

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>>91933250
Jack wins WE STILL FUCKING RIOT

>>91933437
RIOT!

>>91933250
>>91933437
>>91933481
this is why no one takes caucasian americans seriously

I wish King of the Hill were still here.

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>>91933250
>>91933437
>>91933481

>>91932745
Ashi was created so he'd have a daughter/student/lover/whatever to anchor him in the future, which means he doesn't want to return to the past and undo all of the world that's been established over the series' run. How do people still not understand this?

>>91933552
Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of an upcoming
RIOT
I
O
T

>>91933720
People understand and hate it.

>>91933740
But why? It's the most logical route to get to that conclusion. If he didn't realise it over the first four seasons, nor over the 50 years that followed, obviously something drastically different would be required to make him see. And considering "muh family" was always at the heart of his quest, it seems obvious.

>>91933793
1. It's a poor conclusion.
2. The execution is terrible.

>>91927450
It seems unfair that Samurai Jack is in the running when it's smack in the middle of a successful revival.

If this survey was held 6 months ago, would it be doing this well?

>>91933852
"It's bad" isn't a real answer, anon. And you just said that twice in a row.

>>91933870
yes

>>91933793
You are completely right.

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>Batman currently beating ATLA
I'm a bit surprised but I guess I shouldn't be since we are comics and cartoons

>>91933877
I'm tempted to say "deal with it" because you're so fucking stupid, but okay, spoonfeeding: it's a terrible conclusion because it negates the whole point of the original show, which by the way was narrated to us EVERY SINGLE FUCKING EPISODE, something that's drilled into your head like that should NOT just be ignored for a "nice conclusion". And EVEN IF that was the route chosen for some retarded reason, there's so much bullshit along the way - in particular, why is Ashi, the sister who seems slightly different to begin with, CONVENIENTLY the one who is specifically spared by Jack? And that's just one example.

>>91933935
The question is, which is likelier to beat Jack?

"Neither" is not a valid answer, by the way.

>>91933870
Considering all the hype? Yes, probably.

Prior to the announcement? Still maybe. Jack has always been extremely popular on /co/. But it's one of those things that was so broadly well liked, it seldom had threads survive for very long, because discussions don't really survive when everyone agrees. OtGW had the same problem at first.

>>91933935
Batman: TAS is probably one of the most well received cartoons of the last 25 years, though Avatar is certainly up there as well. It's not surprising at all.

>>91933938
The point of the show is the samurai's journey, not just his motive for it. The show is the thing you enjoy. The adventures are the things you enjoy. Changing the past would undo them all.

>why is Ashi, the sister who seems slightly different to begin with, CONVENIENTLY the one who is specifically spared by Jack?
You're asking why the one who's different -- the weak one, the one who hesitates and gets distracted and gazes at the stars, the runt with something to prove -- you're asking why she's stuck at the back of the line hissing like a cat, while her sisters get cut down in front? It's a real mystery.

And she wasn't spared at first. He dropped her like a sack of potatoes. But then he cleared his head, and had the luxury of feeling a little guilty about killing these dumb kids.

>>91934009
ATLA.
The fanbase is bigger, louder and has dominated this board for much longer.
Frankly I'm surprised it's actually losing to Batman right now (although it might change).

>>91934383
>it seldom had threads survive for very long, because discussions don't really survive when everyone agrees
This is sadly true.
In a few years from now we are probably not going to be regularly discussing Jack again unless Genndy fucks up the finale spectacularly.
And even if we do then those discussions are going to be dominated by people complaining about how Ashi ruined the show forever and ever.

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How ever wins this will lose to spite voters next round

>>91934859
Too bad it's not an instant-runoff system or something, though we'd get less participants in that case. But either way, spite voting is silly.

>>91934907
Proportional representation for the win.
But seriously, we should have had everyone simply rank the shows, and then added up the points. Simple as fuck, perfect as fuck.

>>91934859
No. Batman's going to lose simply because it isn't as good as the others. Sorry.

>>91934907
personally I think a good system (albeit not a perfect one) is too put the cartoons on a list, each round we get X number of votes to put on the cartoons, the lowest get kicked and then we get even less votes per person and go again, it will not eliminate spite voting especially when there is two or four left but its a better way to not have it going in through many rounds of the tournie

>>91935096
How would this system work with 128 shows?

>>91935096
That honestly sounds like more of a pain in the ass, trying to keep straight in your head whether you allocated the right amount of points to 128 shows, and the degree to which you like X more than Y. Simply ranking in order of preference would be the best balance between fair, accurate representation and ease of use.

>>91935217
Exactly, and then just add up everyone's rankings, as I suggested in >>91934975

Only one round is used in this case, I might add.

>>91927450

SPONGEBOB BTFO!!!

>>91933935

It's not that surprising. We have a lot of oldfags who grew up with and then we have the comics side. Not to mention its a great show

>>91935007
>others
It came this far and is neck to neck with Avatar.

>>91934859
I'm gonna be pissed if fake animu beats batman desu

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>Sonic SatAM was on the chosen list
>instead of the superior Sonic cartoon
Pathetic

>>91929658
>implying anyone on the staff wanted Zutara

Zutara only existed in the minds of delusional fan girls. The staff laughed at the idea of Zutara behind the scenes.

Ehasz wanted Tokka, though.

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>>91927450
>Invader Zim lost to Rick and Morty
>Duckman lost to The Brave and the Bold
>Xavier: Renegade Angel lost to Ducktales
>Venture Bros lost to Dexter's Lab

>>91936100
>Duckman lost to The Brave and the Bold
There's nothing wrong to this. The real crime is Brave and the Bold losing to Teen Titans.

>>91931770
SJ had an excellent sound design. More doesn't always mean better. True that SJ's choppyvanimation makes for less than flashy action but fight scenes aren't dictated by choreography alone.

>>91936209
Avatar's sound design was far beyond "excellent", though. And it was about quality, not quantity.
And when you have virtually no choreography like in SJ, fight scenes are gonna suck no matter what.

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>>91930730
>muh Shillenburg
Good, that fucker deserves to rot for nearly destroying Nickelodeon.

>>91935926
Not at all up to your usual standard, anon. Only one out of three, I'm afraid.

Ehasz did want Tokka, though.

>>91936333
>no choreography
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqVObFc3Cs

>>91936407
>implying I've ever posted in this thread before

Also, you don't know what you're talking about, unless you trust Zutarian internet conspiracy theories.

>>91936185
Duckman is criminally underrated.
It is arguably the only true example of an actual existentialist cartoon.

>>91936590
>posts the ONE episode where choreography is used IN-universe, not just out of it

You know, some of us would call that cheating.

>>91936614
>out of it
What?

More examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBHkZDKlp98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAblPCSoDWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pufp-IaJeo

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>>91936185
>win against an extremely popular adult cartoon
>win against Batman AU #1234567890
>win against Waifus-R-Us 2.0
>win against Faux Anime for Adults
>lose against... an underwater yellow cube
Just... why.

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>>91935911
It wouldn't have been fair for everything else.

ATLA and Batman are tied now. I think ATLA is going to edge it out.

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>>91936793
>win against Faux Anime for Adults
As opposed to Faux Anime for Tweens?

>>91936853
Are there any others for adults, though? Because I couldn't think of any, but Avatar is obviously another one for that age group.

>>91927450
Is there a specific time each poll closes?

>>91937288
Usually 24 hours after the thread is made

>>91928408
Prep time. Not even the Avatar state can stand up to him.

>>91928431
Shouldn't even be in the top 100 honestly. Avatar shouldn't be in the top 75 either.

Avatar is 2 votes behind Batman TAS, I think it's about to overtake it.

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>batman and avatar this close

>>91937572
I haven't voted yet. Gonna save it for when the Bat truly needs me.

>>91937572
>>91937600
>one vote behind

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>AtLA and B:TAS are one vote apart

>>91927450
Reminder: Anyone who votes for Spengebab is contributing to the death of Western Animation.

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Even if Avatar wins, it's going to be completely decimated against SJ, due to SJ's current popularity and spite voting, and this is coming from an Avatar fan

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>Avatar is beating Batman
This are heating the fuck up

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>Avatar is beating Batman
Well it was good while it lasted.
I wished one of the top 2 shows was at least something that didn't base itself on anime.
But I'm satisfied with the results (frankly I'm surprised it took 8 hours for Avatar to catch up).
Batman TAS, Spongebob, Avatar and Samurai Jack seems like a reasonable top 4.

>Avatar and BTAS are this close

DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE, FUCK

>>91928135
i'd disagree about it being flavor of the month, if just by being well, a pretty decently well regarded show long before the new season. But yeah, I'd safely call the new season "flavor of the month" because of recent-ness, but also because of how different its been compared to the totality previous samurai jack stuff. Its good, but it still has this "newness" to it.

Avatar and Batman are pretty neck and neck, but I do think it may become a battle between "Flavor of the Month" vs "Nostalgia" regardless of the winner.

that said, samurai jack is basically,
Flavor of the Month AND Nostalgia

>>91938234
>something that didn't base itself on anime.
Samurai Jack isn't particularly based on anime. It has the odd reference, but nothing fundamental to the show. It's largely based in japanese cinema, samurai films, along with other, western influences, but not really anime.

For that matter, Batman The Animated Series does owe some of it's quality to anime. A lot of the animation, even a majority I believe, was done by seasoned japanese studios that mostly worked in anime, and the creators cited anime as an influence on the show several times, in audio commentaries and such. Akira and the like. These influences were more visable in Beyond, but they did have a hand in shaping TAS to be the way it was. More so than Samurai Jack.

Guys? exact same number of votes each

>>91927450
Sponge Bob vs Batman is going to be the final? this tournament is bullshit!

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50/50!!

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>>91938343
forgot picture

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>>91938339
>was done by seasoned japanese studios
And that work had a lasting effect on a few of those animators...

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>Spongebob loses.

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>SpongeBob in the top 4
Man, this board is filled with autism. I'm nor surprised at all.

>>91927450
I think the previous round, really does a good job as a sort of "tastemaker" for /co/.

You've got Action Cartoons, Superheroes, Waifus, And Goofy Comedy.

That said, the main current things are spongebob and samurai jack. With the only other most recent thing after them is futurama. Veers nostalgic perhaps?

>>91938362
>anime influences Batman TAS, it gets animated by japanese studios
>because of this it's big in Japan, spawns The Big O, using similar animation style and techniques
>Big O is dubbed and brought to america because of it's similarities to Batman
>it's a big enough success in america that CN commissions another season from the japanese studio, made specifically to be aired in the west
Isn't life fascinating?

>>91927450
Why not a rematch with strawpoll and only one answer option, that way even with ip cheaters you could have a better result

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Can't we shut up about waifus..

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>>91938339
I guess I should have specified that I meant "based on eastern culture". Not that I have a bias agaisnt it (quite the contrary), I just don't want to hear people joke about how "the best western cartoons have to rip-off anime to be good".

>it has the odd reference
It goes quite a bit beyond the "odd reference", Jack has pretty extensive anime references. Granted, it's mostly old-school anime like Lupin but it's still there.
Samurai Jack takes a little bit from everything so it's not really specific to that. But japanese animation definitely played a bigger part than you are saying it did.

>creators cited anime as an influence on the show several times
Interesting because I looked a lot into the influences of Batman TAS (I even dumped the Writer's Bible here a while ago) and I must have missed this because I didn't catch anime influences outside of Beyond.

>>91938462
I watched the entire series with the audio commentary when I bought the box sets a few years ago, and I distinctly recall them talking about it, mostly in terms of things like pacing, use of dialog, lighting, shading, stuff like that. I'd have to go back and listen through the entire series to be more specific.

>>91938462
>>91938505
I'm thinking back, there might have been something in His Silicone Soul, if that's even the episode I'm thinking of. I might be wrong, they might have just been talking about the animation studio. But that's the first episode that comes to mind thinking back about it.

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>>91938565
I remembered now there were robots inspired by the ones in Castle In The Sky featured in an episode.
There's probably more but I'd have to find the audio commentary and rewatch the series to keep track of them.

>>91938643
If that's true, then that's an odd coincidence because the robots in Castle in the Sky were inspired by robots in an early episode of the Fleischer Superman series.

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>Implying you autists aren't creating gorillions google accounts for this

fair polls huh

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>Abatap is winning
Fake and gay

>>91927717
It's beating batman right now

>>91940328
Russian anon?

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You can do it Jackie

>>91927450
Avatar is going to win, while Korra was immediately beaten by the Magic School Bus, truly patrician taste /co/

I can't wait in 6 months for /co/ to hate Samurai Jack

>>91938368
underage pls go

WATCHA

>Avatar will beat Batman

Holy shit /co/ what's up with the pleb taste?

>Avatar beats Batman
Wtf i love co now

>Avatar beats Batman
Wtf I hate co now

wow honestly wasn't expecting to wake up and find ATLA beating BTAS

all in all not a bad show to take down the best version of batman ever made

I started rewatching Teen Titans and it's pretty shit to be honest, you guys are letting nostalgia cloud your vision. Definitely didn't deserve to get as far in the competition as it did.

>>91942406
Funny I just started rewatching a week ago and I'm really enjoying it. What is it you are disliking?

why would pre movie Spongebob lose against anything?

>>91943225
Pre-zombie Simpsons

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Capeshitters getting btfo

>>91943515
At least they made it pretty far

>>91943000
The voice acting and art are very weak. The action is usually boring but not always. Most of the humor is childish and falls flat, and some comedic scenes are just paced too slowly and take up too much time. The characters are the strong point.

>>91943515
It's a good feeling

>>91941071
Autism, you're on the wrong board. You meant to click /r9k/

>wake up to see Avatar beating Batman

Nice.

>>91942380
Avatar is a Top 15 show, not a Top 4. Nothing but 16-21 years olds voting in favor of Avatar only because they were too young to know good writing.

>>91943515
Avatar won't even get 20% versus Jack though.

How does it feel?

>>91944465
It'll lose 57-43.

>>91944460
this

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>>91938368
Honestly, everything was going fine until SpongeBob beat Teen Titans. /co/'s other choices were pretty fucking based.
But then chibi/waifu-haters came in and ruined it.

>>91944460
Didn't you post this in the last thread?

>>91927450
samurai jacks only gonna win because its more relevant now than spongebob is. but if we are talkin early samurai jack and early spongebob it would be hands down spongebob.

>>91945269
You're probably right but it really shouldn't, Samurai Jack's premiere movie alone is better than an entire season of the fucking sponge.

I've voted for Avatar over 30 times now. Feels good.

>>91945609
I did that in round 1 but then I felt bad and actually wanted to see what /co/ actually chose so I stopped.

That being said, I hope OP didn't actually think this was mobilepost-samefag proof.

>>91945674
It's account-based, and IIRC Google requires phone verification now.

What's curious is that Batman vs ATLA is getting more votes in general, can people just not really decide between Jack and spongebob? or are they just not voting?

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>>91944900
fuck off, no one likes your bargain bin anime tier waifu shit show faggot

>>91946754
Avatar spammers.
Notice how batman was generally leading all day yesterday and suddenly overnight Avatar got like 100 votes in a row.

>>91946927
You must have 18 years old to post no 4chan.

Simpsons not on final 4 is shameful

Avatar vs BTAS is kind of /co/ fate.

>Avatar is beating B:TAS

How?

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>>91947051
>gets so assblasted he resorts to le "you have to be 18" meme
>pic related

>>91944900
Get over it faggot

Meme Titans isn't as good as you remember it

>>91947184
I watched it for the first time this year, fag.

>>91947157
>i have no arguments so i will just shitpost: the post

Fuck off.