SPIN IT

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I wish I had a flying boat.

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How come both US and Japanese animators decided to make cartoons with down-on-their-luck anthropomorphic animal flying boat pilots fighting air pirates at roughly the same time?

>>91926977
because that's how it was in real life. it's no weirder than having multiple furry versions of robin hood or something

>>91926822
Just make sure you do your homework, seaplanes are notorious lemons. sometimes they just stick on floats that don't belong on that kind of plane, or don't waterproof the fucker, or shit like that
and make sure you maintain the engine like it was your own newborn puppy, because that shit has to carry more weight and do more work than a regular plane engine
After that you're good. it's totally possible if you're the kind of rich that can afford, say, a mid-level luxury car. If you have in the mid to high 5 digits of money to blow, it's well within your means. it's not as farfetched as owning, uh.. a giraffe.

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Let's begin it.

>>91926977
Well, Porco isn't really a humanized animal, he is a cursed human with almost no features of a pig except for the head.

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>>91926440
it was a good show but, why did they turn a few of the Jungle Book characters into something else entirely?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM94EFNizOY

>>91930848
Mostly just to fit the theme of the show, I didn't really see much changes to their characters, saw more added in.

>>91926440
Where does disney even keep the original thing? They should air the again or at least let me buy it.

>>91930848
was it? I watched all these shows but can't remember a single thing about any of them. it's weird. I'll remember shows that had maybe one season, but none of the Disney afternoon ones.

>>91930848
I believe this was Michael Eisner's suggestion to use existing Disney characters rather than original ones. Same thing happened with Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers.

Talespin always felt like a black sheep compared to the other disney cartoons to me. Not sure why but something about it just didn't click the same way the other ones did when I watched it growing up.

>>91934258
>blacksheep
>not bonkers

>>91926440
Would you watch DarkwingDuckTalespin?

>>91926440
OK *posts meatspin*

>>91926440
LET'S BEGIN IT

>>91932752
This. Is there even anywhere to watch it? I want to watch it.

>>91932752
...they DO let you buy it though? It's out on DVD.

>>91930848
I have no idea what they were thinking but it worked so damn well.

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>>91934857
>>not bonkers
>Not "The Mighty Ducks"

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>>91937742
>>91937749
Talespin and the more popular ones you can find, but the other 1990s cartoons are only in very expensive VHS with missing episodes.

>>91938317
I meant a torrent but I don't even know if there are any good torrent sites up right now

>>91938325
you can torrent it, but except the quality of a potato and worse for the audio with some episodes in other languages even

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>>91938317
>Bonkers
>loved that show as a kid had a crush on the girl cop
>rewatch an episode
>intro sucks
>show isn't funny at all
>mfw

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One great eyample of the very rare Dieselpunk genre. Captures the feeling perfectly.

ho HO ho ho ho ho HO ho ho HO ho ho ho HO

>>91938895
Let's begin it

>>91938895
OH WEE YAY

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>>91926977
Because flying boats are the best.

>>91926977
Actually I know the answer to this. TaleSpin is partly inspired by Porco Rosso.

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>>91926440

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>>91935661
>*posts meatspin*
you have to go back

>>91926440
HD release when?

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>>91939046
Damn right they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJidy_lC8ag

>>91926440
BOP IT

>>91939801
I want to live in a comfy Dornier.

They are my german manufacturerfu.

>>91939916
Sunderlands seem to be made for maximum comfy.

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>>91939973
Sunderlands are also good. They are huge too.

>>91926440
This series was so comfy. Had its dramatic moments too which was neat for a Disney Afternoon show.

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>>91940008

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>>91940035
A shame the new one is based in China and not Friedrichshafen anymore IIRC, but I guess at least it's Claude's children still working in the new company.

>>91938305
Was that a bad show?
I think I liked it as a kid.

>>91939702

i liked her, she was a bitch but often got beat like every other cartoon.refreshing.

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>>91940803
Beckie was pretty good, but she couldn't compete with the Sea Duck

>>91939072
TaleSpin - 1990
Porco Rosso - 1992

though Porco is based on Age of the Flying Boat from 1989, which TaleSpin directors took some cues from by their own admission

>>91941349
Isn't Talespin also based on an old adventure show too? Golden Monkey something or another.

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>there's a shitload of media with seaplanes but literally nothing with GEVs

A damn shame, this stuff has so much dieselpunk potential.

>>91941394
Tales of the Gold Monkey wasn't old back then, but yeah, TaleSpin is basically that with talking animals and a wacky cartoon setting. (They even kept the name of the bartender!)

>>91941439
>"""""flying""""" a planelet

>>91941492
I still have to find time to find and watch that thing at some point.

It looked fun enough.

>>91941502
>bigger than the largest 747
>planelet

>>91941439
Ground Effect Vehicles are amazing and I don't know why they aren't used more
Probably something to do with that whole "will literally just crash into the side of even a small hill"

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>>91941567
It's the wings and it's inability to fly Anon.

>>91941590
Perhaps there's just too little of them, they aren't exactly well known. They would work pretty well as short hop transports for some dieselpunk/post war setting though.

>>91941590
Weather is the main problem. A regular plane only needs to take off and then it basically doesn't care about anything short of a hurricane, a GEV needs half-decent weather along the entire route, which makes operating on a regular schedule a PITA.

>>91941709
A lot of GEVs *can* fly, they just become horribly inefficient when above their optimal altitude.

>>91941492
>(They even kept the name of the bartender!)
No, that was just a coincidence. Louie was just another character taken from The Jungle Book.

>>91941709
For some reason, Nazi mad science vehicles are everywhere even if they never progressed past napkin drawings IRL, but other crazy stuff like Sentoku submarines or Caspian Sea Monster is never used.

>>91942062
I mean that it's probably no coincidence that they made this particular Jungle Book character into a bartender.

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>>91941439
>8 engines in sets of 4 that are connect to each other
>not even housed in a nacelle connected to the wing, just stick out the sides of the fuselage
what the fuck

Rebecca was a MILF

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>>91942151
The wings are used as floats when landed, you can't mount the engines on them.

As for the number of engines, these planes were experimental and massive, so using several weaker off-the-shelf engines was just more economical than developing powerful ones specifically for them.

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>>91942151
Don't overlook the six slanted ICBM launchers

>>91930848

I like it, reminds me of the Tezuka Star System. The Jungle Book characters got some mileage out of that. They're actors playing different roles.

>>91942500
TaleSpin!Khan >>>>>> JungleBook!Khan

>>91942151
Caspian Sea Monster.
A Russian made Ground Effect Vehicle or to use the Russian word, Ekranoplan.

It "flies" at 20ft but has a long range, fast speed and was designed to carry a huge amount of weight. The 8 engines power it on take off but then most would be shut down in cruise once it was free of the water. The tubes at the top were for anti submarine missiles and the inside could transport troops and armored vehicles. Flying in ground effect also made it invisible to RADAR.
But the project eventually fell through and it was never deployed beyond testing.

The prototype version, WIG, appeared in Metal Gear Solid 3, minus missile tubes.

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>>91942090
The napkinwaffe has some sort of cult status because people like silly Luft46 designs that usually weren't even real to begin with.

No clue. Everyone knows the true patrician taste is french napkin planes.

>Sentoku
Macross had an iteration of a sub aircraft carrier for the not!ruskis at least.

>>91942151
There is a version with a prop on the stabilizer without the goofy engines IIRC. But the jets were probably necessary to make it go properly.

>>91942317
No shit.

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>>91942548
That's Lun, a later, slightly smaller model. KM aka the Caspian Sea Monster did not have missile tubes.

It's a fucking shame that KM sunk and Lun has been rotting in a dock for 20 years since the Russian military does not give a fuck about GEVs or heritage.

>>91942683
>has been rotting in a dock for 20 years
Russia needs to up their museum game still. That shit is just sad.

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>>91942654
>There is a version with a prop on the stabilizer without the goofy engines

The prop version one is much smaller, but it can be visited IRL unlike the others.

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>>91942798
A-90 actually has even goofier engines if you look closely. Those "nostrils" and "gills" on the front are actually two diagonally mounted jet engines that are used for take-off.

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What was the deal with Soviets and crazy boat/jet hybrids, anyway?
You'd think US, UK or Australia, having far more access to open water, would be the ones making them.

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>>91943152
Best hydrofoil comming through.

The US had those Pegasus ships. Hydrofoil boats aren't all that uncommon. Or at least I think they aren't.

>>91943258
Goddamn, the Italians used to make the most aesthetic vehicles. What the fuck happened?

>>91940599
It's because of the Nostalgia Critic, in his Disney Afternoon review he blew it off because of its 90's attitude vibe. I'm not saying he's a bad dude nor am I saying the show is perfect, it's just that when anyone with a large fanbase like his says something negative about anything, it starts to echo.

>>91938514
Take it from a guy who loved Mega Babies, things change.

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>>91942964
>>91942431
>>91942398
>I never knew about these crazy shits
who would have thought I'd find out out about them on /co/
god bless insane aviation

>>91938877
Don't you mean art deco?

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>>91943296
Piaggio is owned by the Chinese or Arabs now, I forgot who.

That said it also helps to keep in mind that a lot of the Italian Schneider Cup racers were funded by Mussolini for propaganda.

It must also be said that the PC7 was a failure, the design and all is brilliant in the sense that it is a seaplane without the unaerodynamic body of a flying boat or the pontoons of a float, but the hydrofoils and clutch system made take-offs and landing a nightmare if not impossible.

I don't think it ever flew beyond RC model recreations because the pilots either crashed and died or abandonned their runs because of the massive watersplash the foils would create.

The MC72, M67 and M52 were gorgeous too though. The 52 effectively whiped the floor with it's competition at the time and defined the way the Schneider Racers would look for the rest of the competition.

And then the Supermarine racers happened.

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>>91943607
If Crimson Skies get's called Dieselpunk so does Talespin. Art Deco is just a great aspect of it.

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Anyone got the link to the google drive or something that had all those pictures and files from the /co/ OC thing that went nowhere?

>>91940599
If it was then the theme song more than redeemed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYwlXRVWCCI

>>91943731
Well, I meant pure aesthetics, not functionality. Like, Ferraris were never really reliable or comfortable, but they're still classics.

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>>91943258

>>91938877
It's got the diesel, but not the punk.

>>91944234
No punk setting outside of cyber has the punk

>>91944234
>fighting the man
>doing what they want
>no strings to hold them down
sounds kinda punk to me

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>>91944175
True, but there are a lot of top tier aesthetic italian planes that are also practical.

Folgores for example.

>>91944208
Posting the one true Sparvi.

>>91944782
Folgore is just a slightly leaner bf109

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>>91939849
>all the bear pilots crashing their planes

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>>91944983
>those clean lines
>those asymmetric wings and that wing root
>that wide landing gear
>those neatly hidden away wing guns on the early models
RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE In role and engine only.

>that episode with the WW1 squadron
Were they even real?

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Oh shit. Ekranoplans.

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>>91947066
Oh boy, I'm bonering up over here

Gotta say, I was expecting less autistic hydroplane discussion in this thread and more autistic theme-songposting

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>>91947550
Everyone loves seaplanes and flying boats. Everyone.

>>91930848
Superior dubs coming thru:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO7CYOCnztU

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>>91947550
>he doesn't autistically love seaplanes

>>91947639
>shot to pieces 2 days before the war ended
F

>>91926977
It's called zeitgeist.

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Speaking of Talespin planes, this is what the air pirates planes were based on.
It's called Stipa-Caproni, old crazy Italian experimental plane design.

>>91947760
>shot to pieces 2 days before the war ended

Well, at least it met a better end than >>91947092

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>>91947867
I would say with a lot of certainty that they were based on Ishaks and Chaikas and by association GeeBees.

>>91947976
Elaborate.

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>>91947867
I don't remember pirates' planes having an air duct in the middle, I thought they were just exaggerated interwar planes.

>>91943296
>What the fuck happened?

Fascism happened. Unlike Germany, the Italians become extremely incompetent every time they get a strongman.

>>91947995
Sunk due to pilot error and promptly forgotten.

It's still there, intact, in relatively shallow water, but its sheer size and semi-secret status mean that it's probably never going to get salvaged.

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>>91948129
>Fascism happened
Facist Italy produced a ton of top tier aesthetics though.

In fact as said earlier, their Schneider Cup entries pretty much only continued to exist because Mussolini pumped money into them like mad to get them to win.

Alternatively, look at the Fiat Centauro.

>>91948135
That is a really shitty fate.

>>91948152
Do you have an easily available source for all these webms?

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>>91948430
>Do you have an easily available source for all these webms?

I do not.

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>>91948528
Shame.

>>91939745
Let's all pray.

To whoever we want.

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>>91948893
Yes it's really unfortunate.

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>>91948923
I remember this webm. But also: They made a single float version of this?

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>>91948960
Just testing out the idea I think, but they stuck with the twin float design.

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Sometimes I wish they'd just put real instrument panels in these things, then again Talespin wasn't that bad.

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>>91950610

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>>91950637
I feel like I should know this one, but I don't.

>>91950610
Considering that the Sea Duck mostly runs on Ork technology from WH40K, that's a more than reasonable instrument panel.

Also >>91950637 is not a fair comparison anyway, a small ramshackle cargo plane from (presumably) 1940s or 50s is going to have more instrumentation than in the show but not THAT much.

>>91950990
>Ork technology from WH40K
That sounds about right for Wildcat's engineering.

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>>91950894
B-36 flight engineer station

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>>91951493
That was a nice looking plane, until they added the jets.

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>>91942317

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>>91953174
>no qt businesswomanfu
>no qt planefu
>no golden age of aviation anymore
>no plane filled 1930s art deco city to live in
This timeline sucks.

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>>91953327
It's really unfortunate that flying aircraft carriers died with the Akron and Macon.

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>>91953449
To be fair, real life airships are a lot less practical than Crimson Skies or Air Power would let you believe.

That said, there were some relatively recent attempts at using them as cargo transports. Too bad that company went bankrupt.

>>91953449
Given that 4 out of 5 US Navy airships crashed, including both Akron and Macon, I can see why they stopped trying.

>>91953566
Even as a kid, I thought Don Karnage's airship was absolutely ridiculous. I mean, gas bags AND a dozen small helicopter propellers?

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Since we already brought Miyazaki into this, I think this thread lacks Giganto.

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>>91954138
It was great.

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>>91954138
Well he would need those to keep that mess afloat.

But yeah, while the Moose was probably the silliest design in the show, the Vulture and the triplanes kinda clashed with the more realistically proportioned other aircraft in there.

I've not seen it in ages though so I might be missing some other silly stuff.

>>91954192
Which one is that from? It looks Nausicaa but it isn't.

>>91954217
>lemme just load this shell with no charge

>>91954138
Everything about Don Karnage was gloriously dumb.
>puts like 6 wings and 12 machineguns on his plane
>never manages to hit anything

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>>91954286
Remember when they flew a plane made of ice?

>>91954331
He was an interesting combination of comic relief and sex appeal. I would like to see more characters like this.

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>>91954331
>his plane doesn't have 3 pairs of wings
>technically 4 with the one on the wheels
You clearly got ripped off at the dealership.

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>>91954372

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>>91954286
It's from Future Boy Conan.
Watch it, it's a god tier adventure cartoon series.

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>>91954362
>be like 9
>watching talespin on tv
>that happens
>mom comes into the room and turns the tv off because I shouldn't be watching cartoons this fucking dumb

>>91954362
That's Wildcat though. Anything he built was magic. I like that they tried to put thought into it with the cables though.

>>91954415
Dogfights never fails to amaze on the amount of bullshit physics they animate and I love them for it.

I mean WW1 planes and the DR1 in particular are absurdly maneuverable and love rudder inputs, but it's not quite that good.

>>91954523
I bet she posts on /co/

>>91954542
Blame James McCudden.

>The Hun triplane was practically underneath our formation now, and so down we dived at a colossal speed. I went to the right, Rhys-Davids to the left, and we got behind the triplane together. The German pilot saw us and turned in a most disconcertingly quick manner, not a climbing nor Immelmann turn, but a sort of flat half spin. By now the German triplane was in the middle of our formation, and its handling was wonderful to behold. The pilot seemed to be firing at all of us simultaneously, and although I got behind him a second time, I could hardly stay there for a second. His movements were so quick and uncertain that none of us could hold him in sight at all for any decisive time.

>>91954594
Well, she did like to shitpost on the net when she was alive

>>91954415
THRUST VECTORING OWNS THE SKY

god this meme is old

>>91926440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdFN6agkNnQ

>>91954849
Don't fall for the rotary engine meme. They just make life harder.

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>>91954415

>>91954362

I do now wholly shit.

>>91954850

God something about the aesthetic of that whole thing is amazing and nostalgic.

It just evokes the concept of 'adventure!' and the clash of civilization and savagery.

>>91942654
That thing deserves its own tv show, holy shit.

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>>91957146
We could use a silly pulp tier adventure show again.

>>91957305
It never went past the concept stage, partly because the guy who came up with it wasn't in the aviation scene IIRC, but mostly because France realized it would be easier to just put guns on Caudron racers to get light fighters.

>>91957519

>We could use a silly pulp tier adventure show again.


Exactly my thought. Although the Expanse TV show does a pretty good job of translating that feeling to Outer Space.

Same kind of feeling of being on the frontier and surviving by wits and the support of your trusted friends.

TaleSpin was the show that made me love 30s/40s architecture and design. For a lot of people that sort of love seems to have come from BTAS, but I just never got that into BTAS until I was older.
Also as a kid TS was the /co/ universe I wanted to live in most.

>>91958064

>Also as a kid TS was the /co/ universe I wanted to live in most.

Me too, just seemed like a cool life, with the minor risk of murder by sky pirate.

>>91959137
Just don't leave Cape Suzzette and don't come to the attention of Shere Khan, and you're golden.

>>91938932
Bear and grin it

Was Sally Struthers still fuckable during this show, or had she begun her Save The Children (from ME) bloating?

>>91941439
>>91942398
>>91942431

Holy shit, it looks like a badass space fortress from a 60's/70's anime.

>>91959207
That's even easier than surviving in real life. Not to mention all the other cities in Usland that just don't come up much at all. They're probably safe too. I'm pretty sure Starrywood never saw too much trouble.

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>you'll never be terrordommed by Shere Khan

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>>91959290
The Cold War was an amazing time for crazy concepts. Here have Lockheed's proposal for a nuclear powered flying aircraft carrier.

>>91959597
I bet that's where they got started on the fusion reactor that they're still developing. Although now it's for their truck mounted laser canon that has to run off of a regular old diesel/battery power supply right now.

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>>91960585
Unrealistic, she's a long legged bear.

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>>91960721
How do you feel about jet sea planes anon?

>>91960585
>>91962507

I thought those legs looked off.

>>91960585
Oh I hate this

>>91962643
cool
but it's no sea monster

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favorite prop plane
go

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>>91926440
Ok, what now?

This whole show feels like a weird dream I might have had. Like what if Baloo from the jungle book was porco rosso?

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>>91969317
You already posted my favorite WW2 fighter tbqh.

>>91971669
Crossover when?

sky and sea, what a great combination thanks for posting this plane porn anons

>>91938305
Seriously though. It's not crazier than other turtle like shows including turtles.

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>>91969317
ANT-20

The 6+1 engine layout of >>91954192 is likely not a coincidence

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>>91972637
Welcome

>>91972585
Man, Miyazaki characters may suffer from sameface, but those facial expressions even in two-second cuts are just amazing.

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>>91972723
Sounds about right.

Last webm of it that I got.

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>>91942654
>Everyone knows the true patrician taste is french napkin planes.

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>>91972960
It has been a while since I've seen that thing.

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>>91954362
>the commie pigs were such assholes, they literally only served you steam to eat in their gulag.

>>91969317
The P-38 is my favorite fighter

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>>91958064
It was both of these shows for me and with Duck Tales' out-of-time feeling and pulp tone it probably had great influence on my current tastes.

Damn, I wish there more shows like this today.

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>>91973845
>Damn, I wish there more shows like this today.
You aren't the only one.

>>91947755
Not bad. Now watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nSPcxPR-6I

>>91974006
>not posting the superior german edit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b5E-yfLp5c

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>>91973945
I'm kind of hopeful for the new Duck Tales to maybe revive some of that classic adventure spirit. Even though the aesthetics of this new show are bloody horrible and I think more effort is needed to convey it visually.

Where's my damn art deco and where are my damn lost civilisations hidden in unexplored jungles or under the sea?

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>>91974049
>Where's my damn art deco and where are my damn lost civilisations hidden in unexplored jungles or under the sea?
Who knows, perhaps it will make a return one day. On the plus side there is probably a fuckload of pulp stories out there, on the downside they are annoyingly hard to find in any practical form.

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>>91974171
>>91974049
Sadly I don't think it will ever return. The very last spots on the maps have not only been explored but also habitated. The only way this adventure spirit and discoveries might come back is in form of scifi stuff once humanity leaves our solar system. Until then this genre is dead

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>>91974213
But Anon, it doesn't have to correspond to IRL stuff. Unless you mean people aren't excited about these shows anymore.

>>91974213
It's not like there were that many unexplored spots in 1990 compared to now.
And you can always go the historical, alternate reality or pure fantasy route (I don't think anyone ever complained that TaleSpin had Caribbean bordering both Africa and Siberia)

>>91943934
It's still on /coc/ of plus4chan.

>>91954308
Those buildings are pretty neat, is their any where like that in real life?

>>91974726
There are some ancient cities carved into cliffs like that but I forgot where and they were more like rock squares and caves.

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>>91974757
Well, there are the Anasazi ruins, but that's not quite what I had in mind. That scene looks more like a weird mining town in a crevice by the sea.

Wasn't aware there were so many planefags on here. I enjoy the adventure serial exploration stuff. Not so common today.

>>91974283
Without this fever in Rl there won't be any such series

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>>91974726
>>91974757
>>91974893
Greek islands would be your closest bet.

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>>91974213
I'd argue with that statement. The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest was very contemporary and still managed to convey that sense of pulp adventure. There were lost civilisation/lost tribe, cosmic mystery, exploration. I simply love the episodes about the Anasazi, remnants of Vikings deep in Florida swamps, lost village deep in some Siberian gorge, Yeti episode in Nepal (awesome twist at the very end) and pretty good lost tribe inside a mountain in the Andes I believe.

Also the oroginal Jonny Quest is a staple for pulp and weird science adventure. I fucking need more of that and in a decent artstyle. Without noodle arms and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome heads.

>>91978377
Just the background designs in these older cartoons were amazing. These people knew their stuff and art styles.

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>>91978415
Suzette is top tier.

I just wish there were some better screencaps.

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>>91978377
>Khan had battleships

Khan Industries was out of control.

>>91978461
>7 main turrets
What the fuck were they trying to fight?

>>91978377
>>91978415
>>91978441
>>91978461
what the fuck? you suddenly post 4 times when this was the last thread on the board? You suddenly get the urge to post? necrobumper

>>91978496
I see only one (You), so there are at least two people there.

>>91978441
You could try searching for animation cells on auctions, there are decent scans of them sometimes.

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>>91978496
:^)

>>91978587
Suppose that could work for a really desperate search.

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>>91978441
Example I found on Comic Art Fans in about 5 seconds.

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>>91978637
Why desperate? It's a good source for quality stills. Another one I just found.

>>91978669
Those refuelling stations were pretty good.

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Concepts are also pretty great. And they look better than the finished produck today.

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>>91978786
I meant "product", now that's a Freudian slip.

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>>91978786
>>91978818
To be fair concept art tends to do that more often than not.

>>91978998
I didn't mean that concept art looks better than TaleSpin itself. Rather I was riffing on today's low animation standards.

OOOH EE OOOH

>>91980184
I have confidence that I'll at least hum this damn song on my first solo to calm myself.

God, it's like I'm in a vintage Ace Combat General thread.

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>>91980357
/aceg/ occasionally has prop stuff too.

>>91980236
You can win it in a minute if you spin it spin it spin it

>>91941394
>>91941492

The original pitch was, I believe, Tales of the Golden Monkey mixed with the dynamics of first season Cheers.

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>>91980357
Must...Post...Flying monsters that doesn't exist
>>91980466
We had a bunch of luft46posting a while ago to help us <<survive>>

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>>91981132
Was that you?

>>91981221
No, i "discovered" it back then