ITT: Fuck you I like it I thought this movie was pretty genius tbqh

I'm a fan of it and MoS.

Both have great music, and I like that the characters all have reasons (not always good ones) for disliking the other. A lot of comic movies have opposing characters just tangentially aware of each other and they're chasing the same widget.

I liked it too, bro.

I thought the script betrayed the characters sometimes to set up "cool" shots, the one of Superman floating over a house with people on the roof reaching up towards him. Superman is fucking terrifying in these movies. He kisses Lois in the middle of a mile wide crater in metropolis, he floats looking fucking depressed as people on the roof call out for help, he doesn't give two shits about all the mayhem and death batman was causing in pursuit of Kryptonite. His first reaction to the Bombing at the capitol was to sit there and cry. Every fucking time he has to do something heroic it seems like a massive burden for him.

They never established that the way they (he and batman) are different in super heroing. Batman hating superman made sense, superman disliking batman didn't. Their methods weren't extremely different. They both killed, they are both violent. The only reason I could see if maybe Clark just didn't like another superhero doing stuff, or batman could have even been a mirror for superman so that he tries to change his ways to be an actual symbol of hope, not just be one because the script said he is.

a wide angle shot does not mean good cinematography.

I can see why people can find enjoyment out of it, but anyone who calls it genius is either baiting or is fucked in the head

>>91923014
I didnt enjoy the villains like I should have

I've never seen it and I don't intend to. When one movie bores me so much that I walk out of the theater I don't exactly go running to the director's next movie.

>>91923014
If you think the movies was "unfaithful" to the comics the those faggots need to go reread the ones they're based on. It was a good movie.

>>91923014
I thought it was fine. It's got some problems (mostly Doomsday being kind of pointless and basically an overpowered mook, and the whole Martha thing) but I like it. I still haven't seen the extended. I heard it makes the film worse from a lot of people.

>>91923638
the extended is basically all the clark kent scenes

I love the DCEU too.

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>>91923014
>ITT: Fuck you I like it
I know it has flaws but I still enjoyed it. Enjoyed it more than a lot of other Marvel movies actually.

I watched it for first time today and I honestly spent the whole movie laughing.

>Alfred was literally the best thing about it
>The Waynes scene was good, but honestly unnecessary
>Ben looks more like Batman than anyone else, but he was so lifeless
>I really don't like the casting for Superman and Lois
>Lex was as bad as people said he was. I didn’t feel the movie was overcrowded like it was said and I thought the reference to the JL was good
>The dream scene was awful
>The second part of the movie was a mess and the editing was as bad as was I told
>The fight between Batman and Superman was cringey as heck and I have lost it at the "MARTHAAAAAA" scene. The editing was so bad
>The visuals, tho? They were so good

>>91925273
I had such a good time laughing at it that I actually went to see it again and convinced a friend to do so.
He was unironically hyped for it and by the end of it he was actually kind of pissed at how bad it was.
MoS gave me a literal headache but with this I kind of knew what to expect and could enjoy it as the incompetently made grimdark shlock it was

>>91925273
>>Ben looks more like Batman than anyone else, but he was so lifeless

I agree with most of what you said but not this. I think even given what he had to work with Ben was pretty damned great as Batman. For me he seems like the driven obsessed Batman that i have wanted to see for years on the big screen.

The way Bale was in Begins. I think that Bale just had the bad luck of not making his debut in his own film. But yeah Alfred was fucking GOAT though

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Here you go. No fucks given

Not a particularly controversial opinion around here, but I fucking love the Speed Racer movie.

Why do you have to say "fuck you" to like something?
Why can't we just say we liked or disliked something without people getting upset and trying to argue?
What happened to society?

>>91923014
>I thought this movie was pretty genius
Are you an edgy 15 year old?

>>91926050
>Can't handle opposing opinions
>accuses someone else of being an angry teen
Holy lack of self awareness, Batman!

>>91925621
So do i. Why not. If you are a fan of Speed Racer, THAT is Speed Racer in every way shape and form, unapologetic about it too. Unlike say Ghost in the Shell which is almost nothing like what it's adapting bare a few superficial similarities

>>91923638
I didnt think Doomsday was pointless, he was basically the living embodiment of Clark's mistake in killing Zod.


And the Martha thing didn't happen, when Superman says "Martha" it only gets Batman to choke him further. Its not until Lois comes (who future Flash had just told him was "the key") does he start to calm down.

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>>91925273
>The dream scene was awful
I thought it was a pretty good way of visually showing us Batman's fears, and playing with the fact that it is a superhero universe, so of course there is an alternate future/reality where Batman's fears are realized. Pic related.

>>91923014
Yeah I loved it too. Good stuff.

>>91923014
>fuck you I like it
Good for you anon, don't let other people ruin your fun, I enjoyed it too
>was pretty genius
>genius
No, anon. It was enjoyable, despite some flaws.

But it was not genius.

>>91923336
>He kisses Lois in the middle of a mile wide crater in metropolis

Its like you've never ever been in a stressful situation and found comfort in a loved one before.


> he floats looking fucking depressed as people on the roof call out for help

He doesn't look depressed, he looks sad that people are in danger and that they are painting his symbol on their house instead of "help" or anything else, just his symbol. As if they expected him, like a god almost, instead of their fellow man.
>he doesn't give two shits about all the mayhem and death batman was causing in pursuit of Kryptonite

But he literally stops him from doing it. How is that not giving a shit? Because we dont see him go and clean everything up? Thats what you want to waste your time with? Superman cant always get there before any damage is done. Also he gives Batman the benefit of the doubt, since he used to be a hero, and instead of arresting him he gives him a chance to just quit and retire.
>His first reaction to the Bombing at the capitol was to sit there and cry
But he doesnt cry, and his first reaction is to help people: https://youtu.be/lzkQZ5nGO2w?t=222
>Every fucking time he has to do something heroic it seems like a massive burden for him.
No it doesn't. I think you might be autistic, because you seem to have trouble inferring what people are feeling.
>They never established that the way they (he and batman) are different in super heroing. Batman hating superman made sense, superman disliking batman didn't. Their methods weren't extremely different. They both killed, they are both violent.

Batman only started being violent in the middle of BvS, and Superman only killed Zod (like he did in the comics, but of course you dont read them). And congrats, you figured out that one of the main themes is that they ARENT so different, but they both see the other one as a judge, jury, and potential executioner and thus treat each other poorly.


Its like you didnt even watch

>>91926837
not OP but I thought parts of it definitely were genius. Like how they introduced the idea of multiverse/different realities in this semi-ambiguous way. So it works as visual representation of Batman's fears AND as a possible other universe. I eagerly await to see how it is followed up on in JL.
I also thought the core idea of people viewing the same events, but having their interpretations of said events colored by their histories/traumas, was very well thought out and mature. I haven't really seen it done that much (or that extent) in super hero comics, and definitely never done before in super hero movies.
Just my 2 cents.

>>91927073
Okay, but whether a film is genius depends on the film as a whole. I too liked the sequence with the dream and I think it works like you said. But with some of the dumb parts of it, I can't call it genius on the whole.

>>91926181
You can like something or have a different opinion all you like. But if you seriously call BvS genius then you're probably a 2deep4u edgy teen faggot.

>>91927117
well I, personally, am not calling the whole movie genius, just parts of it.


For others, the parts you or I might find dumb, they might not. So for them it might qualify as genius. I could see someone might see that, and maybe my opinion will change.


I used to have problems with 2001: A Space Odyssey, but the more I watched it, some of those problems either disappeared in my mind or didnt seem as big of a deal upon re-watching and within the last 5 years I've changed my opinion of it to "genius" I guess.
All I'm saying is let people have their opinions, who cares?


>inb4 its a cantonese knitting board and its all based around shitting on each other's opinions


didnt always used to be like that.

>>91927199
I could see how someone**

I liked BvS, it wasnt perfect but it wasnt dog shit eaither, Better than Thor 1 and 2, Iron Man 2 and 3, AoU, Cap 1, Hulk,

Suicide Squad however was complete shit

>>91927607
I wouldn't put it above Cap 1 and probably not AoU either and I haven't seen Hulk, but I agree for the others.
As for Squad, it wasn't that terrible. It wasn't great, but it was eh...okay, if you're a dc fan who doesn't get heartbroken easily.

>>91927607
garbage also probably tastes better than feces

>>91924908
YOu know, i kind of get where you are coming from with this one. All the asgard scenes are fun as hell, but for me the wierd stuff with selvig and the lackluster villain brought it down for me.

>>91923014

The theatrical cut was pretty fucking terrible. So bad I don't even want to give the recut a chance.

>>91927607
SKWAD was fun the same way a transformer movie is; its baaaad but it knows it is.

>>91923014
I don't get why everyones main complaint is the "Martha" scene, it actually works really well and should be obvious to anyone who isn't a total retard.
It serves as a way to bring Batman to his senses, he's dark in this movie, killing without a second thought, he's almost become the villain. Superman saying "Martha" and Lois backing it up by telling Batman its Supes moms name brings him to his senses, shows him these people he's been killing have families too, that he's become a monster and needs to change his ways. He helps him so fast because he doesn't want Superman to lose both parents and become like himself.
But then goes on to kill a fair few thugs in the warehouse, that can't be explained outside of Snyder still rubbing his Watchmen boner but it was a great scene so its forgiven

>>91928283
Goddamn how do people misinterpret the movie so much?


Superman saying "Martha" makes Batman want to kill him harder. He know thinks the super alien god is psychic or something. Its not until Lois comes does he stop.


Also Superman having a mom just proves to Batman that he is a man, he doesnt believe men can be good again (ie that he can go back to his non-manslaughtering ways) until Superman sacrifices himself. This is punctuated by him not branding Luthor in the cell.
Come on.

>>91925655
Because the only real reason people like this movie is so they can set themselves apart from the "normies" "sheep" and "shills"

>>91928797
Nope, I like BvS and a fair amount of the Marvel and Fox movies too.


Nice try though.

>>91928441
>Also Superman having a mom just proves to Batman that he is a man, he doesnt believe men can be good again (ie that he can go back to his non-manslaughtering ways)
Why doesn't he kill Superman then?
The idea that Superman is a man is what stays his hand makes no sense because he has no problem killing men and Superman being a man doesn't suddenly mean he's not a threat or should absolutely be trusted with that much power. The idea that he doesn't believe men can be good again until Clark sacrifices himself doesn't work either because that happens after he stays his hand. The idea that Batman is so far gone he's not going to listen to reason and so irrationally full of hate that he's missing the forest for the trees makes it really hard to believe a single word can stop him, no matter what realizations you assign to that after the fact.

It's an elseworlds to begin with so just have Batman kill Superman.

I wanted to like it, I even did the mental gymnastics to defend the movie because I wanted to like it, but after seeing it a second time I realized I hated it.

>>91928904
Suuure you do.

>>91923014
Ok I get how people can like a shitty movie. I like some shitty movies. I liked Furious 7.

What I dont get however is how people can delude themselves into thinking that BvS was not only an objetvily good movie but "smart" too. How fucking stupid can you be? The movie presents itself as a "smart" movie but it isn't and you would realize it if you actually tore yourself away from the presentation for a second.

>>91929020
WB literally put out a press release two weeks before the movie going "This movie is going to be too smart for some audiences". They preemptively pulled an emperor's new clothes on the viewing public. Statistically you'd have to end up with some people that have their dicks swinging around now.

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>"There was a time above... a time before... there were perfect things... diamond absolutes. But things fall... things on earth. And what falls... is fallen. In the dream, it took me to the light. A beautiful lie."
>"But things fall... things on earth. And what falls... is fallen."

This is the kind of dialouge that sounds thought provoking at first but when you actually think about it, it makes no fucking sense and is just shitty writing. Also nobody talks like this, not even Affleck's character in the movie after this scene. It reads like a teenager trying to do Shakespeare.

It's a stupid fucking movie.

>>91928969
Why doesn't he kill Superman then?
Because his whole reason for killing Superman is that he thought he wasnt a man. He viewed him as an uncaring god figure that brought destruction with him and could turn on humanity at any moment. In part, Batman was projecting his own failures onto Superman.
>The idea that Superman is a man is what stays his hand makes no sense because he has no problem killing men
But he only kills men in the pursuit of killing Superman. He only starts killing IN BvS when he tries to get the kryptonite, and even that is aided by Luthor having anyone with Batman's brand killed in prison (basically Batman is retroactively turned into a killer, so it makes it slightly easier for him to do it later).


>Superman being a man doesn't suddenly mean he's not a threat or should absolutely be trusted with that much power.
But Superman's track record is just 100% saving people. Once Batman stops blaming Superman for the things outside of his control (like Zod invading) he realizes that Superman wont turn on humanity so easily, and that he has had every reason and opportunity to for 2 years but hasnt. Basically Batman is able to trust Superman to do the right thing. Something he wasnt able to do when he viewed him as alien and detached.
>The idea that he doesn't believe men can be good again until Clark sacrifices himself doesn't work either because that happens after he stays his hand.
So? Nothing you said here supports your idea that it doesnt make sense. Batman's motivations for killing Superman were proven wrong so he doesnt want to kill him. Batman, even when he is killing/manslaughter, only kills bad people. Superman is not a bad person.
> makes it really hard to believe a single word can stop him
But it doesnt stop him. "Martha" makes him choke Superman harder. Its Lois (who future Flash told him was the key) that gets him to stop by demonstrating Superman's human connections.

>>91929004
>being this paranoid and stuck in your company wars

I feel bad for you in this moment.

>>91928969

I can see what you're saying but every line Bruce said regarding Superman leading up to that point he referred to him as an alien every time. It made more sense to me at least that he couldn't even consider the fact Superman could even have a family because of how obsessed he was with the smallest chance that he could go bad.

>>91929104
no they didnt

>>91929152
It makes sense actually, if you think for a second.

"The time above" means the time before he "fell." His fall is the death of Robin, most likely, or whatever else made him quit being Batman.

The "diamond absolutes" means that before it was easy, there were badguys and good guys, it was simple, none of the ambiguity we are about to witness in BvS.


Then we get into a sort ofdouble entendre with "what falls...is fallen." Batman had his fall, but now he is using fallen in both the sense that he previously fell and he is fallen in the biblical sense, like a fallen angel. He used to be good but is now bad.
The dream part is basically a different thought, idk why you couple it with the rest. Its him reflecting on his dream of his origin of falling down the well. He thought the bats took him "to the light" or the side of justice, of good. But really it was a lie, in his eyes. Batman is no longer a good person in his own eyes.
And the point of saying "But things fall... things on earth." is specifically meant to key us into the biblical terminology with "fallen." Instead of just things from heaven "falling," in the biblical sense, humans can too.
Also I dont think you really know what shakespeare is if you think this is comparable. This is closer something you might find in a very self reflective and religiously informed Fitzgerald novel.

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>>91929152
>I don't give a fuck about your parents
>wait-- MARTHA?

>>91929660
Because he thought his parents were aliens at first you dummy.

>>91929676
If you can't defend the movie without resorting to insults of the people critiquing it, the movie must be bad.

>>91929696
what a retarded argument

>>91929676
Whose to say that Martha is human? Batman did zero investigative research on Superman, for all he knows Kal's mother is just like himself. So her being human or alien doesn't actually matter at all, only the fact that her name matches his mom's. It was pretty stupid then and still dumb now.

>>91930056
How many times does this need to be explained. When he said Martha, it only made Batman choke him harder. The name did not get him to stop. It was Lois, demonstrating that he has human connections, that made him start questioning his beliefs about Superman.


Goddamn you are dumb.

>>91930306
But it didn't, it made batman stagger backwards and start to scream 'why did you say that name!?' And Lois threw herself over superman and said it's his mother. Sorry man, it was a bad scene that completely ruined what was always a mediocre movie at best.

>>91930306
>Goddamn you are dumb.
says the moron defending this shit

>>91930056
>You're not brave. Men are brave.

Sure sounds like he didn't consider him to have any human qualities.

Instead of getting Batman and Superman developing their friendship and building the League as the world's finest we I stead had to jump right to Vs so that Superman could be dead while Batman singled handedly builds the league with the help of his secretary Wonder Woman.

>>91925655
the first reply to this question should answer you sufficiently.

People legitimately believe that.

>>91930555
Nice get

Also I wish the hero instinct was portrayed as a human quality

>>91923403
Must be hard having such low standards

I didn't like BvS and only certain parts of Suicide Squad was good.

But I feel like Michael Cera Sr. and Jared Leto were victims of a terrible direction. I didn't find either of them as too cringe worthy.

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>>91930605
>secretary Wonder Woman

and people say that Zack Snyder never paid attention to source material

>>91930454
Goddamn you are retarded. Watch the scene:
https://youtu.be/Oufremzw7d8?t=97


He asks what that means, because the super alien just somehow knew the name of his mother, and then chokes him more.

Look at it, you wrong. He doesnt stagger backwards, he chokes him harder until Lois comes.
You are so fucking dumb its unbelievable.

>>91930472
not an argument

>>91930306
The main reason you need to keep explaining it is because everybody but Batman can see that Superman has human connections and "he doesn't need to know what connections to exploit in order to kill him" has always been a shitty argument. Especially since Lex literally uses those same connections to kill him.

>>91932094
This. World's Greatest Detective is a worse detective than Lois and Lex

>>91923014
>genius
i'm ok with people liking the movie, but calling it genius is a good sign of mental retardation tbqh

>>91929696
if someone's being dumb then calling them dumb isn't a terrible rebuttal

>>91932094
>The main reason you need to keep explaining it is because everybody but Batman can see that Superman has human connections

Because we have an omniscient third person view that Batman doesnt. Jesus christ. Are you saying in-universe people feel that way? Because thats not true, the world is split. They explicitly say as much.
> "he doesn't need to know what connections to exploit in order to kill him" has always been a shitty argument.

Why? Batman was going to kill him without using them. In ever battle where Batman has killed Superman he has done it without using Superman's human connections. That would be way below Batman anyway, to exploit someone's loved ones. Its like you've never read a Batman comic.


Also Batman and Lex are different kind of fighters, to compare them is like comparing a psychic and a guy that shoots lasers out of his hands-- they are so different in how they approach things it would be pointless.

>>91932124
No he isnt, he just had no reason to find out that information. And Lois was investigating a SPACE SHIP and Superman chose to reveal himself to her.


Lex has near limitless resources that Batman does not have.

>>91932173
not an argument

>>91932233
it wasn't meant to be an argument, just a simple observation.

>>91932222
Nice get.

Also, after he reviled himself Lois spent the next six months tracking him down, right down to the grave of his adopted father. And Batman had a whole two years to track him down, but didn't because muh plot.

>>91932271
Not an observation either. No where did you state something you observed. If anything, you typed an implication or assertion.

>>91932307
> And Batman had a whole two years to track him down, but didn't because muh plot.

No, he had no reason to track him down. How do you not understand that Batman no reason to even believe he had any human connections. Like that is his whole motivation in the movie that he doesnt believe Superman HAS a human side.


Its the equivalent of asking why Luke didn't investigate or ask if Vader was his father. He had no reason to think he was, or even that Vader was human.

>>91932222
>No he isnt, he just had no reason to find out that information
This isn't going to magically come true just because you keep repeating it. He had the same reason and motivations Lex did.
>Lex has near limitless resources that Batman does not have
Nor will this.

>>91932366
>This isn't going to magically come true just because you keep repeating it. He had the same reason and motivations Lex did.

No he didnt. Lex explicitly saw Superman as not a god, infact his whole motivation was to prove that. Batman DID see Superman as a god, hence why he had no reason to have that information.


>Nor will this.
Prove how that isnt true. Do you see Batman delivering on military contracts? Do you see Bruce talking to senators? Do you see Bruce doing nearly any of the kinds of shit Lex was doing in the movie? No, you dont.


How about you prove to me, where in the movie, Batman thinks Superman is human.


And show me where we see that Batman has the same resources Lex does.


I'll wait.

>>91932366
>man projects his own headcanon onto movie
>tells others the actual events in the movie aren't true


You're so deluded, it hurts.

>>91932333
>no where
my observation is that people who call bvs genius are retarded. this is based on my interaction with said people. the quote above is further proof of this observation.

>>91932364
Zod makes a global announcement that Supes has been hiding on earth for years now, blending in. How is he able to hide so well? Do people know him? Has he hurt people to keep them quiet? Is there anything I can find out that would give me a psychological profile on this alien with possibly infinite power, beyond what this Lois Lane writes about him in the Metropolis news paper I fund? Whoa! Well I can't kill him until Lex figures out what Kryptonite is, might as well just sit in my cave and brood for two years until the plot demands I take action.

>>91932463
"i'm ok with people liking the movie, but calling it genius is a good sign of mental retardation tbqh"

Is not an observation. Nowhere are you observing something. You are saying x means y. You are not, in anyway, implying that you are witnessing or observing something from that sentence. You are just implying a correlation.


Learn what words mean.

>>91932198
>Because we have an omniscient third person view that Batman doesn't.
I was talking about Lex. One of these days you're going to need a better argument than childish name calling. Even if we put aside Martha there's no reason he shouldn't have picked up on the fact that Superman seems preoccupied with Lois Lane.

>Why? Batman was going to kill him without using them. In ever battle where Batman has killed Superman he has done it without using Superman's human connections. That would be way below Batman anyway, to exploit someone's loved ones. Its like you've never read a Batman comic.

The logic is broken. If he's even entertaining the idea that Superman has loved ones that might get caught up in their fight, then that puts a big whole in the "he's an alien with no humanity and no connections" motivation that you keep trying to push. It's one or the other.

Also not sure why you're trying to bring up the comics now when they flipped Lex and Bruce 's outlooks for this movie. "It's an elseworlds" until someone points out how unfaithful it is and then suddenly "oh it's just like the comics read more!". Bruce figures out Clark's secret identity all the fucking time in the comics.

>>91932535
yes, i'm implying a correlation, a correlation which had to be observed, in this case, by me.
>You are not, in anyway, implying that you are witnessing or observing something from that sentence.
again you provide proof of your retardation, which is mostly how i observed mental distress in bvs fans.

>>91932461
And you've never had a decent defense of this trash that didn't rely on name calling.

>>91932523
Also the fact that Lois keeps hanging around him, made out with him in full view of others, and went onto alien ships with him. There's no way there's a human connection there worth exploring. Not even gonna think about that.

Oh and sure Superman destroyed a military satellite so that he wouldn't be tracked but that's probably not an indication that he's got something to hide, right?

>>91932669
Also, he told that officer wherein he was raised, I can't imagine that the military didn't out that down in some database that the batcomputer couldn't break into. No I'm sure the army just wrote it on a sticky note and stuck it on the fridge.

>>91932523
>How is he able to hide so well?
Because he looks like a human and has super powers. Its pretty easy. All he would have to do is put on human clothes. Thats it.
>Do people know him?
Okay, Batman investigates this and he sees that no, there are no records or evidence of Superman having any friends, because he doesnt, at least not as Superman.
>Has he hurt people to keep them quiet?
Nope, so when/if Batman investigated this it would be a dead end, and worst case just give him more reason to hunt him.
>Is there anything I can find out that would give me a psychological profile on this alien with possibly infinite power, beyond what this Lois Lane writes about him in the Metropolis news paper I fund?
Okay Batman tries to investigate this and gets what? Where exactly would Batman ever find out this stuff? Superman isnt hanging with people as Superman. You tell me what kind of psychological profile could be built around Superman between MoS and BvS? That he likes to save people? Yeah okay.
>Whoa! Well I can't kill him until Lex figures out what Kryptonite is, might as well just sit in my cave and brood for two years until the plot demands I take action.


First off, how long do you think it takes to get all his Batman gear and vehicles back and make a new Batcave? Second, why is it stupid to wait until you find a weakness in your enemy before killing him? It was said he was out doing Batman shit for the last two years interrogating people and trying to find answers. Probably investigating the stuff you mentioned with no avail. I mean how do you expect him to find the information you are proposing? Who has any records on Superman? Lex has his own satellites and his own band of mercenaries and dies to DARPA. Batman doesnt (at the very least, he is down one satellite from MoS). Why do you think he was so desperate in BvS, because the last two years worked out 100% in his favor? Not because he was desperate to kill Superman and be done with his crusade?

>>91932746
He told a single army general who had no reason to add it to any military data base. He trusts Superman, that was the whole point of that exchange. He isnt going to spy on him. Its like you cant understand human emotions.
>>91932669
>Also the fact that Lois keeps hanging around him.
Source? All we have is a single kiss that was witnessed by maybe a handful of people and him saving her once from a warlord. Thats it.
>and went onto alien ships with him
Not public knowledge. The only people that know that are the people who were around when it happened.
>There's no way there's a human connection there worth exploring.
Because Batman would totally interrogate and capture innocent people and use them right? Care to post all the comics where that happens? Even the darkest versions of Batman dont hurt innocents. Not even Batman Year 100 did that. Not even Dark Knight Strikes Again Batman did that.
>Oh and sure Superman destroyed a military satellite so that he wouldn't be tracked but that's probably not an indication that he's got something to hide, right?

He obviously has something to hide, Batman just has no reason to think its that he is human. If anything it makes more sense to assume he is hiding his base/fortress of solitude. Also why would Batman even know that he destroyed that drone? Thats silly.

>>91932609
>a correlation which had to be observed

No it didnt. In no way does a correlation imply you had to observe it. I can make any correlation I want without observing. Why do you think correlation automatically implies that? Tell me where you got that from?

>>91932787
>Okay, Batman investigates this and he sees that no, there are no records or evidence of Superman having any friends, because he doesnt, at least not as Superman.
>Superman isnt hanging with people as Superman.
Again, Lois.

>>91932891
>He told a single army general who had no reason to add it to any military data base.
No reason except SOP.
>All we have is a single kiss that was witnessed by maybe a handful of people
So is this a universe without cell phone cameras?

>He obviously has something to hide,
So why not find out what that something is? What if it's his fatal weakness?

>>91932921
to be aware of a correlation, you have to either make it up, or observe it. both are implied when a correlation is presented.

>>91932555
>I was talking about Lex. One of these days you're going to need a better argument than childish name calling. Even if we put aside Martha there's no reason he shouldn't have picked up on the fact that Superman seems preoccupied with Lois Lane.
> because everybody but Batman can see that Superman has human connections

So Lex = everybody but batman now? The movie itself shows us a variety of opinions on Superman in the news montage. Also where are you getting this pre-occupied with Lois Lane thing? What proof does the public have other than that he saved her from an African warlord? Oh that kiss that only a few people saw while running for their lives...? Yeah, thats really credible, not like she could just deny it or anything.....
>The logic is broken. If he's even entertaining the idea that Superman has loved ones that might get caught up in their fight, then that puts a big whole in the "he's an alien with no humanity and no connections" motivation that you keep trying to push. It's one or the other.

Not at all, explain how the logic is broken, I'll wait. All I do there is ask where you even get this idea that Batman would exploit Superman's human connections, when he has never needed to before. In no way does it imply that Batman is thinking loved ones would get caught in the fight at all, you can exploit them in other ways. But thats just not Batman's style in general. Thats like asking why Batman doesnt make beam gloves ala Iron Man. Its not his style. But if it triggers you that much, you can ignore that part of the argument and just focus on the first part.
>Also not sure why you're trying to bring up the comics now when they flipped Lex and Bruce 's outlooks

They didnt flip Lex. Lex has always wanted to prove to the world that Superman is not as mighty/good as they think he is.


Batman was literally just a bad guy in the movie and by the end went back to not killing.

Also its an adaption, do you know what that means?

>>91932927
again, where is it shown that he he is "hanging" with her? Because he saved her once from an african warlord?

>>91932958
>No reason except SOP.
So you know what the SOP is in regards to aliens? And you dont think it would ever, in anyway, be broken as a sign of trust? Especially in a superhero universe where people break SOP all the time? Really? If it triggers you that much, you can pretend the DC universe has a different SOP.


>So is this a universe without cell phone cameras?
Show me where people are filming it with their cell phone cameras. Just because they exist doesnt mean they were being used. Lots of things happen that arent captured on camera.
>So why not find out what that something is? What if it's his fatal weakness?
What makes you think he wasnt trying for the last two years? Batman fails sometime, he has been trying to figure out the identity of Joker his whole life and still cant do that.

>>91932971
Right, and you made yours up. I'm glad we finally agree.

>>91933242
not really, you alone was enough observation to prove the point. it's interesting how you deduced that from the post in question, when you were unable to understand very basic things about observations before. can't really blame you though, retardation is hard to deal with i imagine. good luck becoming a functioning adult.

>>91933573
Nah you made yours up.

>>91933610
any proof of that? because i claim to have made that observation, and your existence is proof that it's an accurate one.

>>91933648
nah, you made it up, liking a movie is not a sign of retardation. Here this might help you:
https://www.floridahospital.com/mental-retardation-mr/symptoms-and-signs-mental-retardation

I want a non-moapy superman

A young batman, the actual lex luthor, a wonder woman actor who has gravitas when she enters on screen. A non killer batman.

How fucking hard would it have been to do that? Instead now we are stuck with these shit characters only a small amount of people actually like. Why fix what isn't broken, there was no reason to try to reinvent the wheel.

>>91933692
i never said liking it was. i explicitly stated that calling it genius was what indicated retardation. thinking bad to mediocre works of industrial creation are genius implies that your bar for what constitutes genius is very low, which in turn implies you have very low intelligence, which is mental retardation.

>>91933697
Batman isnt a killer anymore. He only killed for a brief period, and the movie makes it a point that its a bad thing that he does it and very un-Batman of him.

>>91933760
>X can never ever be genius because I said so.

You people have different opinions than you. Lack of social awareness is an actual sign of retardation, you should go to a doctor.

>Children with this condition who are six years old or younger can talk and communicate, but usually have poor social awareness


https://www.floridahospital.com/mental-retardation-mr/symptoms-and-signs-mental-retardation

>>91933760
>>91933819
You know people have different***

>>91933771
Batman murdered, he already crossed that line, even if he doesn't murder anymore it still doesn't make him any less of a murderer.

>>91933833
post-crisis Batman killed KGBeast, but he was still Batman in the few months before it was retconned.

>>91933819
people can have different opinions. some opinions are widely held by mentally retarded people. for example, mentally retarded people are easily impressed by simple illusions. similarly, mentally people are easily impressed by bvs. being aware of mentally retarded people is the opposite of lack of social awareness. it's ok to be retarded anon, don't feel sad.

also, this is a text based platform where you need a verification process to post a reply, please stop making mistakes, it makes you look even more retarded.

>>91933888
Firstly, nice trips.

Batman straight up murdered like 10 people in BvS. That shouldn't happen, you shouldn't fuck up that bad in his first flick.

>>91933907
I don't need verification to post a reply, I got a 4chan pass because I do storytimes. You would know that if you weren't retarded. You would also be able to properly capitalize your sentences, not doing so confirms your poor motor skills and adds to your ever growing list of retardation symptoms.

>>91933960
Why not? He was a villain and acting explicitly not like Batman. Alfred threatens to leave him over it. Its fine for Batman to lose his way, as long as the narrative acknowledges that happens.
Also Batman killed all the time in the Golden Age and was still Batman.
You are just setting arbitrary limits to what is allowed in a story featuring Batman, for no reason other than your personal preferences.


Hell, he murders multiple people in The Dark Knight Strikes again and thats still a Batman story.

>>91934021
the lack of capitalization is clearly a stylistic choice, whereas multiple mistakes and typos aren't. you probably should start using verification when in arguments, for your own good. are you implying all non-retarded people know that you, anonymous, do storytimes?

>>91933162
>The movie itself shows us a variety of opinions on Superman in the news montage
Why does that actually matter? We're talking about discovering his secret identity. It doesn't matter if people like him or not. That's a different conversation.

>All I do there is ask where you even get this idea that Batman would exploit Superman's human connections, when he has never needed to before.
He's never needed to kill Superman before either.

If he's willing to kill a guy, why isn't he willing to follow that guy home? Because that's all it comes down to. Bruce didn't track Superman long enough to discover he's going to his girlfriend's house and his mom's farm. Which he does regularly. Because "he doesn't want to". That's your only reasoning for it and it's weak as hell.

>They didnt flip Lex. Lex has always wanted to prove to the world that Superman is not as mighty/good as they think he is.
Confirmed for /tv/ fag. Lex is classically the one that doesn't think Superman has a secret identity. They gave that to Batman, whereas Lex is the open minded detective able to figure it out with ease.

>it's an adaptation
Yeah, when it suits you. When it doesn't, it's its own thing.

>>91934093
>the lack of capitalization is clearly a stylistic choice
Nah, its a big bunch of mistakes.

>>91934136
no, it's obviously deliberate, not unlike snyder's choice to use a limited color palette in his movies. if this is the only straw you have left, you truly are a sad man. good luck with the retardation.

>>91926050

I think BvS was awful, but this is just an unfair show. They have to be an edgy 15 year old, really? Someone can like the movie and be a fully grown adult. Plenty of adults are stupid.

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I decided to Snyderize classic works of art a while back. I only did one and forgot about it. This thread reminded me of it.
Thanks.

>>91934061
I can think of a few reason Batman shouldn't kill people in the first film he's part of.

I don't think "why not?" is a stronger argument then "why?".

TDK is not in continuity, and it shows him devolving and becoming more and more brutal. It's the entire point of that book. Golden age batman isn't really relevant nowadays. It doesn't become less of an issue if Alfred threatens him over it.

Batman is a murderer, he crossed that line. That's an important line, and Batman crossed it. To murder or not to murder isn't arbitrary either. Batman chooses not to murder because it stoops to the criminals level.

That's why in the TDKR it's okay, because he's coming out of retirement because the crime has gotten so bad, and he wants to. It's him giving into his urges a little bit.

I really don't see why they made the choice to cross that line with Batman, they really shouldn't have in my opinion.

>>91934119
>Why does that actually matter? We're talking about discovering his secret identity. It doesn't matter if people like him or not. That's a different conversation.

Then why did you say this

>because everybody but Batman can see that Superman has human connections

You brought it up. And I am saying thats wrong, not everyone can. In fact most people can't until he dies.


>He's never needed to kill Superman before either.
That's not true, good job showing off your pleb. In '91 there was a Superman annual where he does indeed kill him. Also there is Tower of Babel which revolves around Batman's contingencies to kill all the league members should he need to, and Batman's plan for Superman is Kryptonite, not his loved ones. But even in non-kill scenarios, Batman has never needed Superman's loved ones or connections to defeat him.in a fight.


>If he's willing to kill a guy, why isn't he willing to follow that guy home? Because that's all it comes down to
Not really, you make it seem so simple. How would he follow him home? By flying? Do you really think Superman just flies to where he lives with Lois without checking if he is being followed? Really? C'mon Tom.


> Which he does regularly.
Source? We only ever see him fly home and to the farm once each. Good job projecting nonesense.

>Because "he doesn't want to". That's your only reasoning for it
No, never said he doesnt want to. Show me where I typed those words other than in this very reply.


>Lex is classically the one that doesn't think Superman has a secret identity.
AHAHAHAAHAHAH oh my god you casual. Show me one panel that supports this that isn't from Lex Luthor: Man of Steel. Do you not remember the entire 90s run where Lex was president and actively KNEW Superman's secret identity? Really? Could you BE any more wrong and pleb. You are the /tv/ fag.

>Yeah, when it suits you. When it doesn't, it's its own thing.
Thats what an adaptation is you dummy. Do you know what that word means?

>>91934178
No, its obviously a bunch of mistakes. You don't get decide what is and isn't proper English.

>>91934348
i disagree.

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>>91934232
>he thinks he uses color filters

He uses color grading you retard. Different process entirely.
http://batman-news.com/2017/02/17/zack-snyder-batman-fight-scene-justice-league/

>>91934395
I am aware of both processes, but I'm too lazy to tinker with color grading when using filters produce sufficiently bad looking images.

>>91934260
>I can think of a few reason Batman shouldn't kill people in the first film he's part of.

There have been tons of Batman movies before this, and he killed in all of them (except the Adam West one). Good job having a non-argument.
>TDK is not in continuity,

Oh jesus christ, nothing and everything is in continuity, this is a stupid thing to get hung up on. And like I said, in mainline continuity, Batman killed KGBeast and was still Batman. But I guess because that was only person that was fine?

>I really don't see why they made the choice to cross that line with Batman, they really shouldn't have in my opinion.
Because it was specifically commenting on how every movie rendition of Batman before that killed and it was never a problem. They made it a problem IN the movie. Alfred has the same qualms you do. Chill.

>>91934375
Of course you would, you're retarded.

>>91934441
>I'm gunna Snyderize these pictures
>by doing something completely different than what Snyder does

You are a very smart individual, you are.

>>91934480
wait, suddenly disagreeing with opinions is retarded? wow, you sure are consistent friend.

>>91934498
Thanks. The point was to create images that look somewhat like Snyder's work, but even worse. The process really doesn't matter much in this regard, especially since I put no more than five minutes into the making of the image, and mainly for the purpose of self-amusement.

>>91934470
>There have been tons of Batman movies before this, and he killed in all of them
That's not a argument for him killing people
>nothing and everything is in continuity
If you are not willing to argue why the choice was made in TDK then that's fine. I don't expect you to have read it recently.
>Batman killed KGBeast and was still Batman
So he killed someone in the comics. Batman doesn't go on a murdering spree, killing henchmen. When he killed KGBeast I thought it was fucking stupid too.
>Because it was specifically commenting on how every movie rendition of Batman before that killed and it was never a problem.
Batman shouldn't be killing random henchmen, even if they commented on it. It was a dumb decision.

I'm fine with having a whole moving deciding that he must kill someone because they won't stop. Because it should be a big deal you know. Batman shouldn't be randomly murking henchmen like he did in the movies. That was just a decision that didn't need to be made.

>>91934679
>That's not a argument for him killing people
Its an argument for why you arent bitching about those movies instead.


>If you are not willing to argue why the choice was made in TDK then that's fine.
Why would I argue that? The point is worrying about what is and isnt continuity is pointless. Every single new story about Batman draws and the ones that came before it (at least whatever the creators have read). Even Didio says the best stories all become continuity.


>Batman shouldn't be killing random henchmen
Right, BvS agrees with you. I'm glad you finally came around. You and Snyder actually share the some opinion. Its okay to express that opinion with visuals and a story though, like Snyder did.


>Batman shouldn't be randomly murking henchmen like he did in the movies

Right, thats why its portrayed as a bad thing. Or are you saying things that are bad/wrong should never ever be depicted on film?

>>91923014
Go to bed, Snyder.

>>91934794
>Its an argument for why you arent bitching about those movies instead.
Because they aren't relevant.
>The point is worrying about what is and isnt continuity is pointless.
Fair enough, although I don't think starting a DC universe, it's a good idea to stray too far from the path. The core elements of the character should be present. I'm sure you'd agree with me there.


Last 2 points, I really don't think you got what I was going for. To set up a batman movie, which is what Snyder's job was. To set up the DCEU. Making batman a murderer is a bad choice. It's a creative choice that was made and corrected in 1 movie. My argument is that it shouldn't even be put in the movie in the first place.

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>>91934794
>Right, thats why its portrayed as a bad thing. Or are you saying things that are bad/wrong should never ever be depicted on film?

Not him, but I'm saying that Batman should have went on the Joker instead of the Alien trying to stop a global disaster. The casually murderous Joker (who apparently murdered one of his closest friends and taunted him about it) is out running around, and he's going all Murderbats on a guy who's actively fighting aliens who've threatened global annihilation. Batman himself decided to ignore the transmission and do nothing.

If Superman is even 1%, what is the Joker?

>>91923014
Obviously I think the execution could have been better, especially with the Marth scene, but I think the movie was overall a 8/10 maybe 9ish.

I think the fact that avengers came out like 3 year prior made the critics rip into it and color the opinions of the viewers

>>91934934
I wouldnt say it was "corrected" I think the point from the get go was to have him be more brutal, but have him be "redeemed" by Superman by the end so he could start the league. Its just a different take, and one I kind of dig because I always thought Batman's key adventures/history worked better without other heroes involved. Jason Todd should not be dead in a world where Batman knows Superman. Orcale should not be cripple in a world with Doctor Mid-Nite. I personally prefer having all of Batman's important parts done by the time the other heroes show up. Then we can focus on more fantastical Batman.
>My argument is that it shouldn't even be put in the movie in the first place.

Well agree to disagree. I'm sorry you didn't like it I guess.

>>91935017
I think this is why I can't really fuck with most of the people who shit on this movie.

>Marvel this
>Marvel that

It's bullshit.

>>91934966
> Batman himself decided to ignore the transmission and do nothing.

No he didnt, did you miss the opening of BvS where he was on the ground saving people? He just didnt have his Batman gear because he was retired. The invasion forced him to come back.


Also Joker is smart enough to lay low while Superman is running about. Notice how once Superman dies, its open season for Joker.


>If Superman is even 1%, what is the Joker?
The difference is Superman could end humanity in less than hour if he wanted. He could destroy the planet. And he is the only one on earth with that power (that Batman knows of). A bit different.

>>91934934
Also, I want to thank you for having a reasonable discourse. Have a goodnight buddy.

>>91935063
See I think we got most of our disagreements out of poor communication, probably mostly because of me, English is not my first language so I do apologize.

If you dig the direction they took him in that's completely fine. I prefer and am of the opinion that doing that take on Batman isn't setting him up well for future movies.

I'm not saying you are wrong for having that opinion though.
>>91935144
np you too

>>91935155
I dont think you are wrong either. But I do look forward to how your opinion grows/changes as new movies come out.

>>91923014
Seen it 10 times (literally), about to watch it again tonight. 'Tis the dawn of kapekino, can't wait for WW and JL!

>>91926989
Give this man a cookie.

>>91934334
>Show me one panel that supports this that isn't from Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.
Is Lex Luthor Man of Steel the one with the facial recognition computer?

>>91925621
>>91926231
The internet in general seems to love Speed Racer for what it was, but IRL, mostly no one gave a fuck about it.

It's probably Wachowski's only really good movie aside from the first Matrix.

Yeah it's a good movie, fucking weird though. I can see why people didn't like it.

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The final fight was just incoherent.

Me too.

It's slowly becoming a cult classic. In a few years everyone will claim they always liked it.

>>91937241
He punched Superman, not a big mystery.

>>91937248
It'll be our generation's Batman Returns.

>>91937241
It was really bad. I went into BvS thinking that if I didn't like everything else, at least the action would satisfy me. I ended up hating most of the action anyway. That final fight should've been way fucking better than it was. I disagree that it was incoherent, though. It was actually quite easy to follow, but I do have to wonder exactly why they directed it the way they did. I wanted maybe 5 straight minutes of Superman, Wonder Woman, and I guess Batman taking on Doomsday; just pure, unbridled, badass action. It ended up being oddly disjointed. It might have been a budget issue.

Thankfully, Justice League looks like it'll at least deliver on the action and visuals. I know I'll probably hate it but if it's like MoS, I'll think the action scenes are kewl.

>>91937343
When I watched it in the theater, I had no idea what the hell Superman was doing after he pushed Doomsday to the ground.

>>91929020

What, you're saying Furious 7 is a bad movie? That's complete insanity. It was a fucking great movie. The Rock fucking flexes the cast on his arm off!

>>91937358
>>91937248
You guys have already insured it won't become a cult classic by forcing these daily doses. You have to let a movie lie dormant for a while so they people can rediscover it. Instead by constantly going "It's great fuck you you're retarded if you don't like it" all the time you're actually making it worse.

It's not gonna be a cult classic because you're turning it into a dank meme instead.

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>>91923014
You can like it, that's fine. I love Romeo Must Die and its objectively poorly made.

But genius? Literally no one thinks this. I don't even have to look through this thread to know its just thinly veiled /tv/ shitposting and falseflagging.

>>91937412
>You guys have already insured it won't become a cult classic by forcing these daily doses.

Dude, next to no one comes here. I doubt /co/ is gonna sway anything.

>>91923014
I disagree with you but respect your right to have such a dumb opinion

>>91929020
Motherfucking this. The movie was dumb as fucking hell. It's actually in part stupid BECAUSE it tried so fucking hard to be smart, deep, and philosophical and just ended up being incredibly shallow and vapid, thereby falling flat on its fucking face.

>>91937412
Also this too. Snyderfags and fans of BvS in general are an odd bunch, because I've never seen such a large group of people continuously defend a movie that is, by all means, almost complete trash. But not only that, they insist that the movie is going to become a cult classic one day and a good deal of them also insist that the MCU is going to be "forgotten" when the exact opposite is actually far, far more likely. In fact, when it does happen 20 years from now, I'm going to laugh my ass off.

>>91937485
>It's actually in part stupid BECAUSE it tried so fucking hard to be smart, deep, and philosophical and just ended up being incredibly shallow and vapid, thereby falling flat on its fucking face.
At least AoU knew exactly what it was and didn't hide it.

>>91937458
If Bats has been doing his shit for decades, why is the cop so freaked out by him? Wouldn't they just say, the fuck you doing here old man?

>>91937517
>If Bats has been doing his shit for decades, why is the cop so freaked out by him? Wouldn't they just say, the fuck you doing here old man?

That cop was a rookie he even says "I'd never seen him before", the older one couldn't give a fuck.

>>91923014
I liked it, but I thought it was shit and that's why I like it. Batman dragging a car and flipping it on top of another car full of people was a fucking comedy masterpiece. I've never laughed so hard at a cape movie than I did with BvS. most people/critics just didn't get it. they were saying "where's the fun" it's literally right there if you take your heads out of your asses.

also this is how to make a comedy with Batman. Batman shouldn't be telling jokes, he should be the joke. unfortunately, they're going down the MCU path with its dumb and unfunny quips.

>I'm rich

Jesus Christ.

>>91937501
>At least AoU knew exactly what it was and didn't hide it.
Exactly. That's why AoU was far and away more forgivable than BvS. Didn't hurt that the MCU had already been established by that point as well.

>>91937485

I'm sure the MCU will be remembered too. Not sure if it'll be rembered fondly but there've been to many of these bloody movies to be fortotten anytime soon. But I'm not ruling out that in 20 years people will look back at them and wonder why some people used to watch basically the same movie thrice a year.

>>91937598
>but there've been to many of these bloody movies to be fortotten anytime soon

It's actually the opposite, so many movies means they're more likely to be forgotten. That why I doubt the MCU, DCEU, or NuStarWars will ever be as iconic as say the original Star Wars.

>>91937640
>or NuStarWars will ever be as iconic as say the original Star Wars.
heh even the prequels is more memorable than TFA.

>I hate sand
>now this is pod racing
>only a sith deals in absolutes

among others.

>>91937540
How does the public at large not know about a man running around in a bat costume for decades? Especially if he's a vigilante.

>>91937680
probably because it's too ridiculous to be believable. and not many people have seen him or have photographic evidence.

>>91937680
>How does the public at large not know about a man running around in a bat costume for decades? Especially if he's a vigilante.

Everyone knows about him, but hey I know lions exist but it's different when one is staring you down.

>>91937698
THey're the fucking police, they must have run into him dozens of times. Their training talk should include, "oh if you see that nut in the bat suit, just ignore him, he's a little nutty but he gets the job done."
>>91937735
Was he the bat of murder for all those decades? He works in the same fucking city all the time too.

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>>91927860
>and the lackluster villain brought it down for me.
As if Doomsday was any better.

>>91937796
Lex Luthor was the villain and he was cool.

>>91937752
Is the argument here that cops wouldn't be scared of Batman? Cops are scared of black 13 year olds, cops are pussies man.

>>91929629
still giving it too much credit. it's written like an angsty teenager trying to be deep... you know... like Bruce Willis' kid.

>>91925587
Does Suicide Squad look good in 3D?

I saw a pack of 3D films on .CIA format for the 3DS and this was one of the main films included, the others being The Force Awakens, Finding Dory and The Nightmare Before Christmas.

Never had the time to watch it in 3D, even if I have the Japanese release which has both 4K and 3D discs in addition to the regular Blu-ray.

I always watch the 4K version whenever I want to watch this movie.

>>91923014
Why is it that every Snyderverse fanboy isn't ever content of simply saying "I liked the movies quite a lot"? They ALWAYS have to turn it up to 11 and say it's some misunderstood piece of art, a genius work above everything else, a masterpiece. It's never "I enjoyed the movie", it's always "KINO!" "GENIUS!" "SO DEEP!" "SNYDER DOES IT AGAIN!"

>>91923336
>He kisses Lois in the middle of a mile wide crater in metropolis
Because they just almost died seconds before in a black hole that was literally peeling the atoms off his face. They never looked around & took in their surroundings, they embraced the instant they got to the ground.
>he floats looking fucking depressed as people on the roof call out for help
You can't see his face you fucking liar, you have no fucking idea why he was floating, he may have been planning how he would transport them, he may have been scanning for people in more immediate danger then the ones safely on the roof.
>His first reaction to the Bombing at the capitol was to sit there and cry
For a few microscopic seconds extended out in slow mo, in the Ultimate cut you see him taking people to the paramedics outside.
>Every fucking time he has to do something heroic it seems like a massive burden for him.
No he was fully smiling when rescuing the Mexican Girl up until they start worshiping him.
>They never established that the way they (he and batman) are different in super heroing. Batman hating superman made sense, superman disliking batman didn't. Their methods weren't extremely different. They both killed, they are both violent
False, Clark was almost never violent towards humans, the dictator was the exception because Lois & because there was no other solution, heating up the gun barrel could have set off the ammunition or caused the guy to panic and fire and speeding over and grabbing it could have harmed Lois as his speed has alot of impacting force.
Killing in self defense & defense of others wasn't Clark's problem with Batman, it was the torture and leaving them to be murdered while unarmed and vulnerable in prison.

>>91929152
>And what falls... is fallen
You can't defend this.

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>>91923014
>genius

>>91929676
That's still stupid.

>>91938146
Because they're embarrassed of liking superheroes as an adult, so they have to pretend the movies are intelligent works of art that transcend the genre.

>>91927860
Late reply but yeah, that's exactly why I liked it. I loved everything that had to do with Asgard, the Thor and Loki dynamic was great, loved the score/costume and world design, cinematography looked good and final portal battle was fun as hell.

The Earth parts brought it down, but overall I still liked it a lot just because I thought the Asgard stuff was so strong. It's probably 5 or 6 on my list of favorite MCU movies, though I get why many didn't like it.

>Batman didn't investigate Superman
really rustles my jimmers. he could've found out that Superman wasn't such a bad guy all along.

>>91926810
Except that they already used the "hero has prophetic vision of the future if his nemesis wins" in MoS.

>>91940495
That line won't even work in the DCEU anymore because Batman's entire post BvS life was inspired by Superman's death

movie was meh until the final fight

that shit put MCU to shame

>>91926989

>>He kisses Lois in the middle of a mile wide crater in metropolis
>Its like you've never ever been in a stressful situation and found comfort in a loved one before.

They very clearly weren't distressed by the massive amount of destruction. They were talking about their love life while inhaling the ash of a million dead people.

>>91938151
>Because they just almost died seconds before in a black hole that was literally peeling the atoms off his face. They never looked around & took in their surroundings, they embraced the instant they got to the ground.

Nigga this is bullshit and you know it. You can like the movie but accept shit writing.

>>91923403
>>91923014
what's like being so retarded

>>91928283
>>91928441
The Martha scene cannot work the way you're describing (it reminds Batman his enemies have parents), because literally 2 minutes earlier Batman was talking to Superman about his parents ("I bet your parents taught you the world is good" or whatever). Martha scene is bad and your arguments are bad.

>>91929455
He was talking about Superman parents in the same fight when he was dragging him to kill him.

muh imagery

its fine to like this movie

the problem begins when the people who like it say shit like "Oh you just didn't understand it"

>>91928283
people weren't confused by the Martha scene, everybody got "it", it was still fucking stupid

>>91923336
Wow, people actually believe this shit? Scary

>>91927149
Pretty sure the children who prefer marvel's little baby kid movies are the ones shitting on BvS loudest