Why does the MCU rely on quips so much these days?

>>91889194
>rely
They dont. Quipts are just a part of life. These are movies for children that make over a billion in revenue.

Why does DC rely on Edge so much these days?

It's not a quip if it's true.

In-house formula that works. Dramatic alleviation (undercutting a serious moment with a joke or unexpected response to "humanise" the moment) can work well in small doses; everything after "The Avengers" overuses the technique to absurd levels. "Age of Ultron" is Super King Big-Nuts when it comes to overusing the technique, as proven by the Third Act Superbattle.

The alternative is filmmaking and that's too much effort.

>>91889207
>They dont

I just saw GOTG2. Don't fucking lie to the guy

>>91889221
>I just saw GOTG2
Why?

>>91889227

Because I liked the first one. It wasn't bad but the reviews are rights when they say they over rely on the humour and any tension or potential emotional scene is wrecked by Baby Groot

>>91889207

>Why does DC rely on Edge so much these days?

DC wants their movies to be considered...well, not necessarily "adult", but definitely "not for children". It comes from an embarassment of the source material.

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>>91889194
>these days
MCU has never not had glib one-liners to break tension
its also been a staple of the comics since before Marvel was Marvel, born from the propaganda days where Cap, Namor, and Torch openly mocked Nazis to their faces for the sake of the troop reader's morale. Spider-Man's whole gimmick has been quips since he first set foot in an underground wrestling ring. and when the F4 came about, Torch II and The Thing were an endless wellspring of bantz

>>91889194
Because you guys have extended the definition of the term to encompass everything but philosophical soliloquies.

>>91889240

You mean WB. If DC had their way I still think they wold want their movies more serious than the MCU but Superman would at least act like Superman

>>91889298

Probable, given the Dark Knight Trilogy (which had a "gritty" world but was ultimately an attempt at optimism). But not by much. Look at "Suicide Squad" - that's about as close to a Marvel movie as the DCEU has gotten yet, and that was still cynical at its core. (Not to mention a poorly-written, poorly-edited movie, but that's a value judgment ultimately that has no bearing on this conversation.)

>>91889194
Spiderman paved the way for all their movies into market for normies, was the standard for influencing the movie marketability of Tony, Thor, and everyone else, and he's always been more quip than man.

>>91889194
Quips disrupt the wait between scenes and moments. Great for those with short attention spans, thus more rewatches, to more profits.

>>91889381
> People aren't wait for a movie to end because lack of quips

>>91889350

>. Look at "Suicide Squad"

Which was still WB. What I mean is that DC needs it's own studio and a Feige to work magic to get Execs to fuck off

>>91889443
Execs aren't the reason Snyder is awful though

>>91889464

Execs - from WB, anyway - are the reason Snyder is doing these films.

>>91889371
The X-Men movies as a franchise has proven more successful than Spider-Man, and while they do have their silly quips and pop culture humor (cut to "yellow spandex?", middle claw bird flipping, all characters cringe to N Sync music, etc etc) they still managed to take themselves fairly seriously and never shy away from potentially scary or heavy moments, while the Spider-Man flicks were pretty much the opposite....majority of it is over the top campy and silly, but with dramatic moments peppered in

I wouldn't say MCU is quite like either because it truly feels designed for normies, unlike the Raimi movies it lacks the tongue in cheek blatant cornballery meant to remind one who might not really be familiar with comics of a general "comic book" corny vibe

I don't really know where I'm going with all this so I'll just say that I wish the MCU was closer in tone to the X-Men movies, to me X-Men flicks were designed to appeal primarily to action film fans, Raimis trilogy was designed to be like a general representation of how the public sees comic books....corny and kitschy, and the MCU just seems to be trying to target teen girls and soccer moms, which is upsetting despite it doing certain things right that the others got wrong

What quip?

>>91889464

Did Snyder make Suicide Squad?

>>91889486
What killed the Spidey franchise was not any of the shit you claimed. It was because of constant reboots. The Raimi trilogy was a great margin more popular than the original Singer trilogy.

>REEEEEEE NORMIES
grow the fuck up you hipster faggots

>>91889545
No, which is odd since both had the same execs watching over them. Yet one made more money and won an Oscar for best film

>>91889558
>The Raimi trilogy was a great margin more popular than the original Singer trilogy.

Was it really? They had an equal amount of merchandise from what I remember , and X-Men was certainly more "cool" among my peers back then

And honestly, as popular as it is to hate X-Men 3 on the internet, I really don't remember anybody feeling that way IRL who I knew, meanwhile EVERYONE I knew felt the same way about Spider-Man 3 by the time that came out

Ruining Venom to 90s kids is a pretty unforgivable sin

>>91889194
The Nolan trilogy had lots of quips.

>>91889632
Yes, by a HUGE amount. The Raimi films played a large part of why Spidey's merch sales are far above other comicbook properties. They also defined Spidey for whole generation. The X-men films while popular never had that effect of X-men and actually played some role in X-men cooled down popularity since the 90s.

>X-Men was certainly more "cool" among my peers back then

That's probably because Spidey was seen as too plebian probably. I mean just look at this thread criticizing the ultra popular MCU.


>And honestly, as popular as it is to hate X-Men 3 on the internet, I really don't remember anybody feeling that way IRL who I knew, meanwhile EVERYONE I knew felt the same way about Spider-Man 3 by the time that came out

Perhaps you haven't, but I knew a few who hated the way the Phoenix saga was adapted, and Cyclops general treatment in the whole trilogy. As for Spider-man 3, so many were anticipating that film. It was just shy of the Dark Knight of permeating pop-culture.

>>91889690
>Yes, by a HUGE amount. The Raimi films played a large part of why Spidey's merch sales are far above other comicbook properties.

Is that really so though? Maybe it is, I haven't looked into numbers and sales too much but I feel like Spider-Man was just always really popular, I mean even before the movies Spider-Man had a shitload more merch than many other comic names just because of the animated series and well, Spider-Man looks cool and is funny, kids like him

>They also defined Spidey for whole generation. The X-men films while popular never had that effect of X-men and actually played some role in X-men cooled down popularity since the 90s.

I don't know...I would agree to some extent, in that the movies don't have the same level of sycophants as Raimi's trilogy and despite having fans very few people will refer to is as "their" X-Men, as if it's the only one that matters or something like with Raimi's Spider-Man...but then again, who knows if those people wouldn't exist had it ever been rebooted? The studio never felt the franchise needed to be rebooted, while Spider-Man did

Their 3 most successful films were one with RDJ, who improvises pithy quips, one directed and written by Joss Whedon, who once said 'never have a scene without a joke', and Guardians, which is a full-blown action-comedy.

Humour has become part of their brand.

>>91889240
Fuck off Manchild. No one is embarrassed of anything, it's just trying to focus on a different target market. WB wants the action movie market, Marvel wants the kid market. It's that simple.

>>91889632
>And honestly, as popular as it is to hate X-Men 3 on the internet, I really don't remember anybody feeling that way IRL who I knew, meanwhile EVERYONE I knew felt the same way about Spider-Man 3 by the time that came out

I was probably about 8 or 9 I think when X3 came out, everyone loved it and everyone, even in amongst children, thought Spiderman 3 was goofy and retarded as fuck. Adults thought it was retarded too.
X Men was and still is the shit though and they changed the movies as their audience got older which was great too, Logan was an excellent, albeit depressing, resolution to it all. I'll tell you, it's fucking weird growing up watching Wolverine, who was always my favourite hero as a kid, and then turning 18 and watching him die. Felt like some sort of sickening, kick-in-the-guts reminder that I'm growing up.
I don't know if Marvel will be able to do the same and adapt their movies that they're giving sequels to like that as time goes on.

Also yeah man, the Raimi movies were fucking huge compared to the newer Spidey movies and compared to most MCU movies save for maybe Iron Man and GOTG. Both kids and teenagers liked them and genuinely thought they were awesome, there were the fucking PlayStation games, all the toys and it was a solid mix of being edgy but not too edgy, real enough and campy. Fuck, I don't know why the Raimi movies were so cool and massive, but they were and I really doubt any Spidey movie or MCU movie will permeate youth culture like that again. Everyone gave a fuck about those movies and continued to 2, 3, 4 years after their release/s, with the newer movies you just kinda watched them, went to school, said "yeah wow that was neat" and forgot about them. Both the X Men trilogy and Raimi Spiderman were a big deal, with the over-saturation of superhero movies it seems like we won't ever get a thing like that for a couple years after they die out.

>>91889240
I wouldn't say that.

I'd say the problem is superficial understanding of the source material and Nolan's Batman films. It's like how a lot of movie studios looked at the success of the Matrix and decided that what made it a success was the leather, sunglasses and slo-mo. WB looks at the Dark Knight and takes away from it that a good superhero film is dark and gritty.

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>>91889194
>All this people, land and friends may be dead.
>World maybe coming to an end.
>Became unworthy and has to fight for the enjoyment of others
I bet they just make him quip his way through the movie instead of showing his inner struggle.

>>91889855
Also First Class, Deadpool, DOFP and even Apocalypse I guess was a lot more important than most of the MCU movies that've been spammed out as of late. Fox just seems to make more genuinely memorable movies with memorable lines than Marvel/Disney, every second person under 25 I know cites Quicksilver's scene in the kitchen at the Pentagon in DOFP as being one of their favourite movie scenes of all time.

>>91889877
> characters having inner struggles

He's a god anon. Inner struggles is for spiderman homecoming and pete

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because it sells and people LIKE it

unlike you retards and your "kino" bullshit

>>91889690

Didn't the movies basically catapult Wolverine to be the flagship mutant to the point he was basically in any and all teams he could be in after the movie.

>>91889926
Correction. WAS a god.

>>91889855
>I was probably about 8 or 9 I think when X3 came out, everyone loved it and everyone, even in amongst children, thought Spiderman 3 was goofy and retarded as fuck.

I had the opposite experience. I was in highschool when i watched both and everyone thought X-men 3 was shit while Spiderman 3 wasn't great but had it's moments.

>>91889241


Kek, this page is hilarious

Light hearted stuff is good sometimes

>>91889935
Yeah, I gotta agree with this. Misery and contrarianism are for /tv/. This is a happy, safe board.

>>91889978
>tfw was a literal child and thought emo Peter was fucking hilariously ridiculous
>highschoolers actually liked him

I remember thinking Sandman was cool at least but holy shit.
Teenagers are the worst.

>>91889855
Wow, it's really weird to hear this perspective from someone who just turned 18

I'm 28, so for me the movies for both Spider-Man and X-Men weren't my first introduction, the animated series for both were more like my childhood version and when the movies came out, they were the new thing to be compared to the cartoons and whatever comics I read, but yeah even still our experiences with how people seemed to react to the movies wasn't too different....I remember nobody hating X-3 until I found out on the internet, and I remember everyone hating Spider-Man 3, but as a kid I just remember X-Men seemed a lot cooler to people while Spider-Man (strictly movie wise) was seen as kind of dorky, nobody hated it but X-Men certainly had more of an edge

>>91889976
Hammer didn't make him a god

>>91889935
I feel bad for anyone who look at this image and thinks it has a point. Literal manchildren using a retarded picture as an argument when most things in the picture are clearly wrong.

>>91890047
>I'm 28
why are you still here?

>>91890071
Tale as old as time.

>>91890071
I feel bad for anyone who understands the point of the picture and then claims it doesn't have a point because he was offended by it.

>>91889868
The same could be said about the MCU though, if you were being objective and not a company whore

If DC movies are too dark, MCU movies are too light. Or you could argue there's an audience for both approaches, but if you wanna get to the nitty gritty and be cynical, both have their issues. I've literally never felt a bit of suspense or actual threat while watching an MCU flick, at the same time I know Superman shouldn't be so damn depressing...neither do justice to comics, they do their own thing

>>91890074

Because you're here forever

>>91890074
Idk, why aren't you on grindr or whatever faggots do these days? 4chan is for oldfags, not newfags

>>91890103
There's no point, it's a bunch of dumb YouTube comments made into a comic. No one in their sane mind can be critical of Mos and bvs music for example.

>>91890142
Look at this autism.

>>91890181
Look. I don't expect someone that uses that dumb picture as an argument to actually have anything to say. But are you are intentionally trying to sound dumb?

>>91890113
>I've literally never felt a bit of suspense or actual threat while watching an MCU flick

So you knew they would catch war machine before he hit the ground?

>>91890142
>There's no point
>critical of Mos and bvs music

As I said, not liking it because you were offended

>>91890292

That was already spoiled by the trailers.

>>91890113
>I've literally never felt a bit of suspense or actual threat while watching an MCU flick
I don't know if tension and tone are really that related. The DCEU is equally predictable; we knew exactly how BvS was going to end a week before it came out at the absolute latest.

None of these movies are going to end with the bad guy winning so people going "there's no threat!" is just silly.

>>91890292
>So you knew they would catch war machine before he hit the ground?
I knew it would be all okay in the end, because it's a Disney production and these aren't the old days of Disney where they seemed to take joy in making little ones wet their pants/made shit not just for kids

I also knew they wouldn't do something as ballsy as have a hero be killed by another hero, even by mistake

Hell, can you honestly say any time a character has died in any of these movies that it had any impact anyway? It's always just like "oh, ok, that character I felt nothing for died"

>>91890071
It's odd that I keep seeing the people saying "this cartoon character should be dark and serious for adults like me" calling everyone ELSE manchildren.

>>91889962
They put Wolverine in the forefront specifically because he was the most popular prior.

>>91890383
>None of these movies are going to end with the bad guy winning so people going "there's no threat!" is just silly.
You do have a point there realistically, but it's about how you feel in the moment of the scene. Anyone who watches Predator is going to know from the start Arnold is going to win...but by the end of that movie you sure as shit won't feel so sure about it, even if pulled aside and asked to think rationally about it. It's about feeling, and threats in the MCU always feel so non threatening, cause the movies usually don't allow villains to really have scenes or moments where they truly seem like threats, they might have the upper hand here or there but ultimately they're just there for the heroes to clown on, and that's not threatening no matter what they do or who they kill

And tone is important with this stuff too, Iron Man kills a shitload of people in the first movie, but because of the tone of the film it's not really a big deal because the movie doesn't present it as being such...the very same scene could be seen as fucking grimdark if done a different way.

>>91890387
>Hell, can you honestly say any time a character has died in any of these movies that it had any impact anyway? It's always just like "oh, ok, that character I felt nothing for died"
If we answer that honestly how are going going to respond? For me, when Superman died it was just kind of meh. People were already getting up and leaving at that point too. Granted, I didn't really feel that for any Marvel movie either; but I'm sure at least somebody got a little sad at Groot dying or something, and I guess I felt kind of bummed for Steve when he had to crash that jet having never scored.

>>91889763
>Is that really so though? Maybe it is, I haven't looked into numbers and sales too much but I feel like Spider-Man was just always really popular, I mean even before the movies Spider-Man had a shitload more merch than many other comic names just because of the animated series and well, Spider-Man looks cool and is funny, kids like him

Well same can be said for X-men. Jim Lee's iterations were the premiere Superhero team for a whole decade.

>>91890445
Poor quicksilver

>>91890440
>It's about feeling, and threats in the MCU always feel so non threatening, cause the movies usually don't allow villains to really have scenes or moments where they truly seem like threats, they might have the upper hand here or there but ultimately they're just there for the heroes to clown on, and that's not threatening no matter what they do or who they kill
That is fair but subjective. Neither Marvel nor WB has pulled that off for me. Or Sony. And up until Logan neither did Fox.

Because ultimately, nobody is killing important (named) characters. Yeah, Zod's machinations killed like 5000 people, but Lois and Perry and Martha and Clark himself all lived so he might as well have not killed anyone at all.

I agree and applaud you for realizing that the tone makes the perception important; it's that hurdle that people that are fans of the DCEU so often can't wrap their heads around as to why it feels like the heroes aren't very heroic.

You're an okay dude. I'm surprised.

>>91890071
Found the DCfag

>>91890483
I forgot Quicksilver. I did feel something at him dying, but it was mostly anger and disappointment at the waste of potential.

>>91889194
>Why does the MCU rely on quips so much these days?

>these days

Is this the first of the Marvel movies you've seen anything of.

If not, I think you really need to go back and look at some of the others if you think this is a recent development.

And then maybe read some of the 70+ years of their comics...

>>91889194
I didn't really mind the quips in MCU movies until I saw GOTG Vol. 2

>>91890487
Man, things can be done in any number of ways, it's all subjective but I'm not even talking strictly MCU and DC, take The Crow...the film starts with the man's wife being gang raped and then getting thrown out the window.

Even though he basically takes down these assholes with little to no effort till the final boss of the movie, you still feel like these are some really bad dudes and therefor its really gratifying to see him take them out even though he does it with no effort and they're just common street thugs with no powers, and by the closing scene of the movie with the roof top battle the film actually kind of tricks you into thinking the hero might lose because of how bad the main badguy is, but of course he doesn't and the victory is even sweeter

I think both Magnetos, young and old, did a great job at establishing themselves as being guys you don't want to fuck with...like even in First Class where he's only beginning to go full villain, when he kills those German guys at the bar you really feel how dangerous this fucker is, same as when he sends the coin through the head of Kevin Bacon, that's like some heavy shit that when you see it is just like....damn, I get it, he's a bad mother fucker, I'd be scared of him

You don't get the same impression from say Yellowjacket comedically turning a guy into goo, he killed a guy, sure, but it just wasn't a heavy or dark moment, the guy was a psycho....but he was also goofy as hell

On the flipside and yes including DC here, I would say as silly as Gene Hackmans Lex was in Superman, he came off as pretty evil at times despite being REALLY fucking silly, so it's not always that black and white either, the way he so smugly makes Superman fall before him really makes you hate the guy or realize his villainy

There is way more than one way to make you feel like villains are a threat, but MCU flicks don't seem too interested in that at all, which is a weakness IMO, not that they don't do other things right

>>91890665
>You don't get the same impression from say Yellowjacket comedically turning a guy into goo, he killed a guy, sure, but it just wasn't a heavy or dark moment, the guy was a psycho....but he was also goofy as hell
I think I'm gonna disagree with you there. I found him less goofy and more creepy. That casualness of that gooification scene, and when he went after Scott's daughter were good villain moments.

>>91889241
>it's a "Spider-Man crashes a party and ruins it for everyone just so he can fuck with Johnny Storm for no reason" issue
The fact that he's a nerd taking revenge on all the popular kids should be explored more.

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>>91889240
>It comes from an embarassment of the source material.
Or perhaps it comes from love of the source material and wanting to handle it in the most dignified, authentic feeling, real world-ishly immersive way possible.
They actually believe in these characters & concepts and believe they deserve to be treated just as seriously as say 2001 treats it's sci-fi.
They aren't judgemental faggots that think superheroes = childish fantasy bullshit.

>>91889194
THESE DAYS?
Witty banter is one of the cornerstones of all superhero movies.

I mean just imagine ANY SPIDER-MAN STORY WITHOUT IT. Well maybe Spiderman Noir.

But really we've have had quips and banter since probably the radio shows, and for SURE since the 60s with Batman.

>>91889194
have you not seen the Justice League trailer?

>>91890832
It's jokes actually work, Thor's YES line destroyed the tone & momentum of the Raganrok trailer.

>>91890832
No one did

>>91890856
But you have it ass-backwards.

>>91889207

Yeah they do. They joke around way too much and more and more. I mean, comics have a sense of humor. But too much can be a bad thing.

>>91890856
Talking to fish, I have no friends, I'm rich.
Whereas Thor and Hulk have been punching each other in the face since they first met, but are still good friends.

>>91890856
>Whats your power?
>*momentary pause*
>I'm rich.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH, GET IT???? BECAUSE HE'S ACTUALLY BRUCE WAYNE.... AND BRUCE WAYNE IS RI-.... Yeah.... heh.

Oh, wait

>*EPIC MUSIC*
>Is she with you?
>I thought she was with you?
>*QUE EPIC MUSIC AGAIN*

Yeah man, DC's quips are so much better. They've actually managed to master the art of quip placement.

>>91890906
Maybe Thor and Hulk have moms with the same name too.

>>91890918
I said JL's quips only. The she with you line didn't work at all.
>>91890882
>>91890906
>>91890918
The JL trailer made it work becuase it flowed the music and footage in and around then jokes, the Thor trailer was capped off by one that wasn't anything like anything that happened previously in the trailer.

>>91890941
>The JL trailer made it work
No, the way Gadot talks makes it awkward and uncomfortable.
>that wasn't anything like anything that happened previously in the trailer.
The whole trailer was upbeat though.

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>>91890941
JL trailer, 26m views after a month.
Thor trailer, 34m views after 2 weeks.

>>91890956
>The whole trailer was upbeat though.
No it really wasn't the music choice made it feel epic and surreal with Hela & such. It never felt silly or funny.

>>91890988
Do both channels have the same amount of subscribers?

>>91890988
What does that have to do with anything, I like the Thor trailer more also but that doesn't mean the YES line wasn't a mistake.

>>91891011
I didn't say silly or funny, I said upbeat. All the devastation was treated as something to be hyped about rather than sad over.

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>>91891026
It reminded people of stuff like this. Unless you've actually given yourself enough brain damage to forget it.

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>>91890856
>It's jokes actually work
they should because they were stolen from better movies

>>91890074
What else is he supposed to do in his free time? Wasting time on Instagram or Facebook isn't any worthier a cause than wasting it here.

>>91890810
>They aren't judgemental faggots that think superheroes = childish fantasy bullshit.
You seem to think that though. The idea that something that's for kids can't be dignified or authentic. What's up with that?

>>91890810
You know who treated the source material with love and respect? The people who made the Arkham games.

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>>91890810
>Or perhaps it comes from love of the source material and wanting to handle it in the most dignified, authentic feeling, real world-ishly immersive way possible.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>91890918
>>91891061
How many would screech if he said "I'm Batman"?

>>91889194
We all know OP is samefagging

>>91891098
He should've bitch-slapped Barry and told him he's the goddamn Batman. I would've paid for a ticket then.

>>91891071
>You seem to think that though
No that is what I am accusing you fuckers of thinking since you can't accept superheroes who aren't being done in a silly manner you god damn cocksuckers.
>The idea that something that's for kids can't be dignified or authentic
I never said it couldn't Batman tas is a perfect example of doing such, the problem is that making things campy & silly ISN'T doing that.

>>91890064
asgards power did, and assuming its as "no more" as it was in the trailer....

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Was Bats supposed to just be copying Iron-Man in BvS, except without the armor on? His cowl was bullet impervious, which seems ridiculous, and he was throwing people and heavy objects around like they were made of styrofoam which made it seem strangely comical when a wooden crate should have pancaked a guy with the wall simply bounced off him like it was made of rubber.

>>91891089
The way they used the magnetic gloves wasn't silly.
The orange scales will be silly no matter how they handle it unless they make it more of dulled bronze.
The hair has nothing to do with anything realistic or edgy, they just wanted a more exotic cultural feel for the character.

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dc needs to add people like Guy gardner or Lobo to improve their movies

>>91891161
>His cowl was bullet impervious, which seems ridiculous
Not even remotely. You see the armor plating in the cave being worked on earlier in the film.
>when a wooden crate should have pancaked a guy with the wall simply bounced off him like it was made of rubber.
No in the UC his skull cracks against the wall and blood is shown, it didn't even vaguely bounce.

>>91891185
or at least booster gold.

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lets say lobo gets in one of the movies
what version would work best
early smart dirty fighter lobo (pic related)
the well known brutal over the top biker lobo
or newbo?

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>>91891161
Have you never read a Batman comic like ever in last 20 years? Batman's suit/ gadget and even strength /speed feats are far above that of human level. Nigga bent steel bars before.

>>91891205
I think that was the armored helmet not his usual cowl. https://youtu.be/fyDZQia5ENk
Kind of makes it worse that the blood was simply added in post.
https://youtu.be/MyVPh3Usrho?t=2m45s 2:45
Bounces like rubber.
I'm nitpicking perhaps, but I would expect a heavier object that's meant to be harming a goon to do something like https://youtu.be/r-VFqvdzkJE?t=22s 0:22

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>>91891287
he used to be peak human. then they turned him into captain america strenght tier.

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>>91891301
>I think that was the armored helmet not his usual cowl.
Nope it's in the normal cowl.

>>91890895
>But too much can be a bad thing.
4 movies raking in over 1 billion each sorta says otherwise. I can understand getting lucky once or twice but 4 times?!

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>>91891330
Sucks he never used the white lens.

>>91891330
Well that clears one part up, though then one has to wonder why he leaves his mouthpiece open, planning to eat a bullet one day?

>>91891360
The concept of Batman has never been very practical.

>>91889219
/thread

I really can't blame Marvel studios, though. If you found an easy exploit to earn unlimited nerdbux, would you not squeeze that fucker dry?

>>91891360
Because he's Batman

>>91889935
>that image
Made me cringe.

>>91889194
Every movie tries to copy Iron Man which relied heavily on quips. They don't know how to do anything but copy.

>>91891389
Isn't that going to cause a problem if they tried to make this superheroes in sort of our 'real world' or whatever the phrasing was?

>>91889207
>first post
>already tries to deflect it on to DC
Why are these people so insecure? Why can't they answer the question without saying "b-but DC..."

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>>91890810
>Or perhaps it comes from love of the source material and wanting to handle it in the most dignified, authentic feeling, real world-ishly immersive way possible.


HAHAHAHA. Then why is Batman using guns and out right murdering people? Even in The Dark Knight Returns which this is loosely based off, he hadn't gone that far off the rails.

>>91891089
>MCU Cap has magnetic gloves, so that means he's a good character
>DCEU Aquaman doesn't have blond hair, so he's a bad character
There is just so much idiocy here I don't even know how to deconstruct it. The only thing worse than the MCU is listening to its fans try to describe why it's "good"

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>>91891508
There's also the whole dead Robin tease that went nowhere.

>>91891161
Jesus Christ. I forget the MCU actually started out pretty cool.

>>91891503
Because it's OP samefagging

You're probably OP too

>>91891508
A vigilante can't murder, he or she just kills

Everybody calls the Punisher a killer, but not a murderer. People just get FRANKED

Same for cops and soldiers

There is, dare I say it, a double standard with DC

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>>91891585
I don't know how Paramount can live with itself after selling to Disney

>>91891493
It's different. There's "making superheroes realistic" which is what Nolanbats was, and "making superhero stories feel like they take place in a real world", which is what the DCEU has been doing. Nolanbats tried to make all the tech seem tactical and practical, whereas the DCEU just asks that you take it all at face value no matter how silly it might be.

The alternate approach is to lampshade the silliness, which is what most of phase 2 and 3 MCU movies have done.

>>91891643
There should have been sooooo much more blood.

>>91891568
You need to realize at some point just who you're arguing with. MCU fanboys (fanboys, not fans, I like SOME of the MCU as well, as I'm sure most people do) don't base their arguments on logic, they base it on blind brand loyalty and emotion, you do not argue with people like that, you tell them why they're wrong and simply mock them

They're similar actually to Teen Titans fans (the 2000s cartoon, that is). Most of them are young, probably too young to be here, and have no idea what they're ever talking about. When pressed about how MCU flicks don't follow source material they can't answer you because they've never read the source material, they've just migrated here from /tv/ and tumblr and wherever else.

>>91889241
You can only eat so many dicks before you get sick of them my friend. I should know
These movies have gone balls deep into flanderisation territory.

Scenes and characters are used as an excuse for jokes. It's like a whole bunch of guys brainstormed a bunch of jokes and then wrote ways to throw those jokes into the film.

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>>91891508
1.) He never used hand held guns against people directly in Bvs.
2.) His using harsh weapons against criminal's vehicles has happened plenty in the comics with a tone of risk to their occupants see pic related.
3.) You give that panel in TDKR and yet in the same book he uses his tank to shoot up mutants smirking that they are rubber bullets and yet they are clearly causing explosions.

>>91891757
>blind brand loyalty and emotion
I guess it's true. A lot of people I know were never even big fans of the Marvel brand, though. But now that they've seen the movies, through the light humor, continuity, and simple constancy, they've been made to feel like they're a part of something. The MCU is almost single-handedly responsible for the fake nerd culture we're drowning in right now. Everyone and their brother thinks they're "OMG SUCH A HUGE NERD" just because they've been going to see Marvel movies since 2008, and they are unwilling and unable to accept the notion of a cinematic comic book franchise that doesn't operate the exact same way.

All of humanity is about drawing lines in the sand and wanting to ally yourself with something greater than you are, if only to be able to proclaim that your side is the best, and any other side is not only the worst, but also wrong on a fundamental level. Otherwise, how else will people understand how right you are?

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>>91889194
>Why does the MCU rely on quips so much these days?

When you add too much sugar to a food it becomes sickeningly sweet and unpalatable. But if you also add salt to the food you can add more sugar to it and it will still taste good. The quips in movies make the violence more palatable.
Look at Superman: Man of Steel. The story is done seriously and the violence is part of that, when Supes kills Zod he genuinely feels bad about it and you know he thinks what he did was wrong but he did not have another way. The deaths in metropolis are also made real by the emotional reactions of the people around them. This makes the movie overly serious and edgy.
In comparison Tony Stark kills hundreds of people in Ironman 3 and it isn't edgy at all because he makes jokes as he kills and the action is choreographed in a way that adds humorous moments. This is the James Bond formula for killing people, as long as you make a smart quip then the violence is OK, the only deaths with no quips are the final boss where the director wants some emotional connection.
This is just the way human brains are wired to accept stories.

>>91889252
Underrated post.

>>91892056
>In comparison Tony Stark kills hundreds of people in Ironman 3
What the actual fuck are you talking about?

>>91892056
>This makes the movie overly serious and edgy.
No, it does not, edgy only applies to pointless cheap childish shock value like the Blob eating Wasp in Ultimatum, Mos had nothing like that.
Zod's death was played a a sad brutal unavoidable inevitability.

>>91891928
>I guess it's true. A lot of people I know were never even big fans of the Marvel brand, though
Exactly what I mean...MCU is the brand, Disney is the brand, not Marvel. I am a Marvelfag and I've had MCU fags argue with me about why the Marvel comics are stupid and why the MCU is better. They are their own breed.
> they've been made to feel like they're a part of something. The MCU is almost single-handedly responsible for the fake nerd culture we're drowning in right now. Everyone and their brother thinks they're "OMG SUCH A HUGE NERD" just because they've been going to see Marvel movies since 2008, and they are unwilling and unable to accept the notion of a cinematic comic book franchise that doesn't operate the exact same way.
And this is exactly why they are so defensive and subscribe to such a blind loyalty to the MCU. If you question the MCU, you question the only thing that they feel gives them credibility, because god forbid they get into the source material, if you question the MCU you question their whole "geek" identity, and this drives them nuts.

>>91892224
>Mos had nothing like that
STOP MY INVINCIBLE SON

>>91891904
>He never used hand held guns against people directly in Bvs
He did in his dream sequence without hesitation.
>His using harsh weapons against criminal's vehicles has happened plenty in the comics with a tone of risk to their occupants see pic related
People clearly shown alive in those panels. Yet he comments that it's too extreme.
>You give that panel in TDKR and yet in the same book he uses his tank to shoot up mutants smirking that they are rubber bullets and yet they are clearly causing explosions
The writing adds context, so if the writer tells us he doesn't kill anyone then he doesn't.

>>91892273
>STOP MY INVINCIBLE SON
Wasn't shock value, just a flawed humanized father dying to protect his son from experiments and torture and protecting the world from the dangerous revelations his existence would bring.
>>91892337
>He did in his dream sequence without hesitation.
Vision not dream.
Such was in wartime against armies.
>People clearly shown alive in those panels
Not the point, he still risked them not jumping in time. No different then machine gunning the backs of the cars he was presuing.

>>91891585
I have no idea why Iron Man 2 moved away from the first in terms of style so much.

Fuck Perlmutter

>>91892056
>portraying death and killing in a realistic manner makes a movie "overly serious and edgy"
Wow. Marvel has gotten everyone to take their pill.

>>91892254
>I've had MCU fags argue with me about why the Marvel comics are stupid and why the MCU is better
Well, to be fair, the CURRENT comics are pretty damn bad.
>>91892254
>if you question the MCU you question their whole "geek" identity, and this drives them nuts.
Very, very true.

>>91892572
My favorite MCU movies are still the earliest. Iron Man is solid, and Captain America may be my favorite. Thor is hot garbage, but the first 20 minutes or so is still pretty great. The scene of him wrecking the ice giants is the best Thor has ever been on the big screen.

Sadly, Avengers becomes harder to watch every time. It's all style, no substance. Fun to put on in the background if you're doing something else, though.

>>91892572
>I have no idea why Iron Man 2 moved away from the first in terms of style so much.
It didn't like at all.

>>91889194
have you ever read a marvel comic?
Have you ever read a DC comic?
They aren't written the same way
so naturally their movies would borrow more from their comics.

>>91893488
I don't think you've read either. Plenty of Marvel comics are dark as shit, and plenty of DC comics are campy

Don't worry. They'll do reshoots for Thor wonce GoTG2 flops.

>>91889194
Quips have been a staple of Marvel since the TImely days.

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>>91894641
good one

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>>91889194
Because they're based on comic books, retard.

>>91894686
Truth. I like comic books so I like MCU. DCU has so far failed because they have failed to grasp the proper tone. BvS was a bad adaptation of both TDKR and Death of Superman.

>>91890074
I'm 29, soon 30, and I'm still here too. So fuck you.

>>91889240
that would be acceptable if they actually made good movies.

>>91889763
just going off roughly adding box office numbers, the spider-man trilogy made about 1.4 billion more dollars than the x-men trilogy

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>>91890810
>he unironically compares it to 2001: A Space Odyssey

>>91889801
which sucks that movies within the MCU have to feel like they are part of the "brand" I get it from Marvel's perspective, but at some point the movies need to start feeling more distinct.

>>91891574
Yet. Obviously they were setting up for future movies.

>>91891508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmfnK6XDiA
DCAU does what DCEUdon't

>>91890918
Y-You just don't get it man. There are 10 Jesus metaphors in this sequence alone.
It was too deep for you.

>>91891347
I never understood the argument that lens would hurt the acting. Wouldn't body language work? Couldn't it be thematic that he is less human when he is Batman, so the lens would help dehumanize him when he fights people. Fuck, if he has to talk to alfred in the batcave or something he can just retract them. But for most scenes in the suit, being able to see eyes just doesn't seem that important

>>91889298
>What is identity crisis

>What is the new 52

>>91889194
I didn't use to mind it THAT much but then I watched GOTG2. They went overboard, it made no sense.

>>91890810
>love of the source material
>comparing to 2001

this has to be bait, there is no way people like you exist.

>>91895330
>What is rebirth

>>91894913
sorry to hear that

did you at least TRY to get a life?

>>91890810
Zack Snyder literally said Batman is unrealistic because he wasn't getting buttfucked in prison

>>91891928
>>91892254
Big Bang Theory was responsible for the "LOL I'M SUCH A NEERDD" shit though

>>91892254
>I am a Marvelfag and I've had MCU fags argue with me about why the Marvel comics are stupid and why the MCU is better.

the MCU is much better FAR better than the last oh.. 5 years of Marvel print comics

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>>91889194
>Why does the MCU rely on quips so much these days?
I can honestly think of only a handful of jokes in Dr. Strange. Honestly, even Civil War didn't really have much quips beyond a few moments in the airport section. Cap and oddly enough Tony were pretty serious through most of the movie.

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>>91890856
>It's jokes actually work
lmao

Snyder's monotone style combined with Goyer level quips will undoubtably make this the worst DCEU movie yet. They somehow manage to outdo themselves with every new release.

>>91889194
>b'awwww I hate fun

>>91889207
>Having adult themes of any sort is edgy now
Nice to know the preteen population of /co/ is growing strong

>>91889877
Pretty sure the hammer was destroyed, he is not unworthy here.

>>91889194
Because that's how the comics are going all the way back to the 60's.


Why do you think the original spider man comics were so successful?

>>91897021
Well they managed to make Suicide Squad turn a profit I guess.
Remember, they're the bad guys.

RDJ + Whedon + Gunn = Quip problem

>>91889252
Exactly this.

Also a trailer is a terrible way to point out quips. They're trying to encompass tone and market the movie. There was plenty of action and darkness but /co/ can't fucking set aside one cute quip that EVERYBODY wanted: planet hulk or just hulk in space.

>>91891129
Gonna whine about barney next? Or normies?
For someone that likes calling everyone else manchildren you're the one throwing big baby tantrums. People don't like your movie. Be an adult and stop yelling at them about it. It doesn't matter.

>>91891493
Realism in this context is defined as being a turbocunt.

>>91896714
I liked Doctor Strange overall, but the humor in that one was terrible. They had no Idea how to incorporate humor into that story at all. Something like Guardians of the Galaxy's humor which was kind of a throughline to the whole movie bothers me less and works more, because it feels like the director/writer wanted it there more.

>>91889855

I don't remember anyone taking X3 seriously. It was just noted that they continued their tradition oif pretty spot on casting with Kelsey Grammer as Beast.

Spider-Man3 was also seen as the weakest in the series, but still better than X-3.

Amazing considering X2 and Spiderman2 were both considered to have elevated what people thought a Superhero movie could deliver.

Then the Dark Knight hit.

>>91894913

I turn 33 this year.

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