ben reilly - scarlet spider #1 storytime

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this hurts

>>91863632
Hopefully this doesn't suck.

>>91863718
See, that's what I call a deal. She could sell that gun for an even $200. It's got good heft. Easy money.

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it could be worse

>>91863704
Oh, boy.

all these bad puns with the Peter's family names...

Aunt June probably the best Marvel character of the last 3 years

Thanks OP, i think PAD delivered (still he writes this Ben like the 90's Deadpool) but i think i won't like what he has in mind for Kaine

>>91863829

I hope this aping Peter's relationships bullshit is something else they backtrack on as fast they did the new costume.

>>91863718
>Spider-Jew

Thanks, OP. I t wasn't really bad, but I can't honestly say I liked it either.

>>91863718
>>91863922
>Ben wants to be edgy and Las Vegas lets him

>>91863745
KAINE

Neato.

That was alright it really makes you wonder where they'll take this.

>>91864172
I feel the same. It's just not muh Ben. If it were any other character, I'd probably like it more.

eh
feels too much like its trying to be deadpool

>>91863704
I love bagels work
It's nostalgic to me, but I wish he could draw a woman that doesn't look like Mary Jane

>>91864444
Bagley**

>>91863640
>After seemingly sacrificing himself to save Peter Parker's life, Ben Reilly was resurrected by none other than his creator, the Jackal, and subjected to dozens of torturous experiments.

Ok I kinda understand this, but the last thing I read something of Ben Reilly was when he was impaled for the Green Goblin and then he turned into dust. So what happened with that, I don't think the Jackal can resurrect people from dust.

>>91863632
This wasent to bad, its basically deadpool-lite (in a good way).

>>91864598
>So what happened with that, I don't think the Jackal can resurrect people from dust.
He can now.

And I was hoping they were going to give the whole scar thing a rest. Kaine already fills that niche for god's sake.

>>91864444
i wish bagley would go back to drawing ultimate spider-man and got bendis to write with him again.

bring ultimat peter back to life and make sure bendis doesn't write anything outside ultimate universe ever again.

>>91863745
oh snap

>>91864380
That's probably what's keeping me from enjoying it as well. If this guy stopped calling himself Ben and got his own identity, I might've liked it more. As it is, it just feels like a big disservice to the real Ben and anyone who liked him.

>>91864969
Well he is Ben now like it or not but judging by the solicits he should be turning back to his old self.

>>91863961
>yfw this was actually decent and enjoyable.

>>91864969
I kinda like it. It's different but Ben would have to be different after all this time, given the circumstances and realizing he was the clone after all. He's closer to his early appearances.

>>91864598
It's not exactly a resurrection. By using samples taken from a dead person's remains, he can create a clone with all of the original's memories, including when they died, due to "psychic residue" or some bullshit like that. Even though Slott kept trying to hint that this counted as a form of resurrection, it's really just a different method of cloning.

>>91863650
What a dick!

>>91863718
Seriously, what a dick!

>>91865034
I think the idea was he temporarily imbues the remains with 'from a single cell' tier healing factor
so Slott would argue if these don't count as the same person, neither does anyone else who has undergone such drastic regeneration via superpowers, which I recall both Wolverine and Deadpool doing at least once, though the former was hit by a power booster from some entity and the latter was still cursed by thanos to never ever die at the time

>>91865031
I still don't consider this to be the actual Ben Reilly. This is Ben's 28th clone.

>>91864615
Ben Reilly clone actualy clone from combine Wade and Peter

>>91865034
>Even though Slott kept trying to hint that this counted as a form of resurrection

Slott fucked his own stance on the whole resurrection thing when he revealed that all the originals were in cry sleep at the end of Clone Conspiracy. Kinda hard to revive someone who never died.

>>91863679
I like imaginary Ben.

>>91865187
Ben Reilly himself is a clone what's the difference?

this......was frustrating. wish ben and kaine did not look like fucking lepers.

As someone who never cared for Ben I found this interesting, he's edgy in way that's distinct from Kaine, very pragmatic and subtly insane.

I guess I could see how if you like Ben Reilly you might not like this? But I always found that clone boring as fuck

>>91863694
>No regerts tattoo?
Did the person giving him the tat eat a Milky way?

>>91864776
The ultimate universe is gone man

>>91863745
And the REAL hero has arrived!

>>91865365
>Ben, a clone of Peter, is not Peter but his own man
>Ben28 is somehow meant to be the same man as Ben1

>>91865502
Guess that counts for a clone being cloned from a real person instead of being cloned from a clone.

It's been awhile since I read anything relating to old Ben.
Was he always such and ass?

>>91865502

Slott's retarded, we all know this but his intention is clearly for it to be the same guy even though it makes no sense with his own cloning rules

>>91865644
No.

He was pretty much always "slightly more naive Peter who thinks he's edgy but isn't." Worst thing he ever did was get drunk, yell at a guy, fuck up a bar, and then apologize to said man.

>>91865644
>Was he always such and ass?
Not even remotely. For a while Ben was a better Peter than, well, Peter himself.

>>91865718
He broke the barman's hand when he wrecked the bar though

And other DeMatteis backups in Web of Spider-Man running with the beginning of Brand New Day had more of his stories during his exile years, like in Europe or so, where he was always coming very close to the edge

"Slightly more naive Peter" doesn't cut it, he was less naive because of the shit he went through. But his best trait was EXACTLY not crossing the line when it came down to it

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>>91865244
we already have one of those and her name is Itsy-bitsy

>>91863718
Oh god i hate seeing his lips through the mask

>>91865784
Michilen (can never spell it right) and other writers took the "It's 70's Peter" thing VERY literally and just wrote him as a younger Peter.

He THINKS he's edgier and more keenly aware, but he ended up mostly just being a nicer, more trusting Peter who hadn't crossed as many lines, which was kind of the point. I think "more naive" is a fair description.

I dug it

>>91865797
That the only reason why he's such an asshole

Honestly much better than I expected, as much as it pains me to say it.

Not "good", but entertaining enough, It helps that the last Venom issue is still fresh in my mind.

>>91866194
>It helps that the last Venom issue is still fresh in my mind.

Oh geez. That was so fucking bad. Can't think of a single redeeming quality about it.

it was alright

>>91866318
>Can't think of a single redeeming quality about it.
it ended

>>91864444
nice quads senpai

>>91863704
>>91863718
So, um do none of the people on this street notice anything?

>>91865884
Micheline barely wrote Ben though. IIRC he just did during Planet of the Symbiotes where he was mostly background dressing.

The whole "more naive" thing kicked more in high gear because of Gage and Costa's depiction of Ben in the Scarlet Spiders stories from Spider-verse where he was always basically saying "the good guys always win" all the time.

Ben came off as 'more naive' in a sense when Peter was full on edgelord at the beginning of the Clone Saga. But that's not comparable, since that wasn't really Peter.

>>91866572
Is this your first time reading a super hero comic?

Also, they're in a fuckin' alley. Stop being dense.

>>91866622
>The whole "more naive" thing kicked more in high gear because of Gage and Costa's depiction of Ben in the Scarlet Spiders stories from Spider-verse where he was always basically saying "the good guys always win" all the time.
>Ben came off as 'more naive' in a sense when Peter was full on edgelord at the beginning of the Clone Saga. But that's not comparable, since that wasn't really Peter.

The Ben that showed up in Spider-Verse was an AU Ben who always won everything he did. He wasn't comparable to 616 Ben at all, outside of appearance.

So to recap, a clone of Peter Parker hunts another clone of Peter Parker who is haunted by two different versions of Peter Parker.

I don't want to sound like an SJW here, but I'd like to see some more diversity in this book.

>>91863840
This is creapy...

Was pretty good, I hope it stays this good. I'll pick up the trades if it does.

>>91865439
Meet the Millers

I don't know. Kaine was the best part and he appears for two pages.

Ben is a bit too edgy (in a less fun way then kaine), and a bit too deadpool for my liking.

I have no idea where they are going with this series. However I can't say I really heavily disliked it. Better then expected.

>>91863853
Wait, is this Deadpool?

>>91866194
Indeed. While I didn't much care for this, I can safely say that it wasn't a bad issue because last week's Venom showed me what a bad issue really looks is.

>>91863650
Sounds like borderlands 2 dialogue

I was expecting this to be bad, but I was pretty surprised at how bad this issue actually was. I know the trend has been for writers to take stuff from Slott's run, and actually make it into a good story, but I think we've finally broken the mold.

Is deadpool ben reilly really a story that needs to be told?

>>91863632
Good Start.

You know, I actually slightly enjoyed this, but that's probably becuae my expectations of Marvel Comics are at rock bottom currently,, and I don't have to worry about it getting cancelled. Spirderbooks don't get cancelled, they just get rebranded until they end up sticking I just have to worry about it going to shit.

>>91864127
They most likely will. This issue was hammering in on the fact that Ben's got some severe mental issues as of lately.

>>91866381
But it continues to exist and Brock didn't make it any better. I'm not sure what he did

>>91865644
Nope. This Ben is a pissed off Ben due to being tortured and dying in probably every conceivable way and remembering all of it, as well as having an existential crisis due to getting his ass kicked for """being the good guy"""

>>91863704
>we want the deadpool audience

>>91863632
That whole evil ben ordeal is the worst thing slott has ever done, but somehow i really enjoyed this, maybe i just really like PAD, but i think i'm on board, specially if going back to the old costume means redemption

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>>91866954
>>91863632

>I don't want to sound like an SJW here, but I'd like to see some more diversity in this book.

Aracely, almost everyone's favorite friendly female Mexican teen girl who happens to be the reincarnation of a god of infinite murder, may appear later on.

Pic kinda related.

>>91863632
>>91863730

>>91863757

Hoping for more Kaine later on.

>Scarlet Spider
>not Kaine
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>91863961
>You can call me... Peter.

How about no?

>>91863745
Fucking Kaine, subtle like a rock.

>>91863650
Did they change the dialogue on this page just to distance themselves even further from that first fucking cover with this costume?
Kind of overreacted there.

>>91863632
Well this will take some time to move the pieces into place. So it'll get cancelled right when it starts to get good.

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I just want the Parker family back together

>>91875353

This is not Ben anon, it's just the latest of a line of clones of Ben who believes himself to be the guy.

You'd need magic to bring him back for real.

>>91875618
Ben28 has more in common with the other named clones Jackal made (Spidercide, Guardian and Jack) than he does the original Ben Reilly.

>>91863632

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>>91875618
>>91863632


>This is not Ben anon, it's just the latest of a line of clones of Ben who believes himself to be the guy.

>You'd need magic to bring him back for real.


>You'd need magic

>>91876885

Man I wonder how she's doing right now.

>Get's BTFO by dimensional Dracula
>Kaine is nowhere to be found, quite possibly dead
>One hospital stay later
>Kaine is still gone
>Nova leaves the team to go play social justice with other teens
>It's been months now

And it seems Kaine pretty much forgot about her with muh Ben on his mind.

Wew. Just wew.

>>91866954
>I don't want to sound like an SJW here,

Too late.

>>91877145
I think that anon is not talking about racial diversity but the fact that there aren't really any supporting characters here other than Peter(s)

Like an extreme version of X-23's book

>>91877204
Hey there's Aunt June and Mandy.

>>91877120
Now that i have seen everything they did to Kaine after NW i wish they didn't touched him after the book ended
Sometimes limbo is better, look at him now, they are going to take him back to his old status quo, im sure of it

>>91863664
Nice

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You know what? I enjoyed this more than I thought I would. Thank you based Gypsy Exterminator.

>yrw theyre reverting his suit back even though you unironically enjoyed the new one minus the lips.
>lips do make for some fine reaction images atleast

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Are scars the new fad at marvel? I mean Deadpool doesnt have them anymore but you'd think he'd have them back by now.

>>91866997
I rather think that's the point, old chap.

>>91881977

Not even based PAD can get me to not think this is one of the most bullshit Spider-books in years.

>>91885683
It's kind of sad because this really is the best time to ever bring back Ben.

>spider-man is full of baggage because of slott
>marvel sales are in the shitter
>hey lets bring back ben reilly and make him literally deadpool

>>91879989
After seeing other artists draw it, I started to warm up to it, and I think it's rather unfortunate that they're ditching it so soon. That said, if he does eventually decide to be a full-blown hero, I guess he wouldn't feel right about wearing a costume that he mugged someone for.

can someone give me a quick rundown on Clone Conspiracy because Slott is garbage and I don't want to read it?

>>91886018
no it's all garbage don't even bother thinking about it

>>91886018
I started to write a summary, but gave up both because I've already forgotten a lot of it and don't particularly want to remember what I haven't forgotten. If you've got a few minutes to spare and really want to know how bad Slott has gotten, just look on Wikipedia.

>>91864444
Bothers me to senpai

>>91886044
>>91886131
I should've listened

>>91863730
>empire state building
>in San Francisco

What the fuck is Axel Alonsos job description.

>>91864444
>>91886145
>>91866393
>>91864776
Plot twist.

The woman doesn't look like MJ that's just Ben being crazy

>>91864177
>Kaine finally catches up to him
>They get into a massive fight, and Kaine's about to go full edge
>New Warriors literally teleport the mountain base right next to them and Aracelly tells them to stop fighting because they are brothers.

>>91887128
I would laugh my ass off if Aracely shows up to stop Kaine from being hardcore

>>91863952
>Ben's so crazy he can't even tell how crazy the old lady is being

>>91863961
Let me guess her daughter was one of those people who wasn't actually dead but in stasis.

>>91877374
>>91877120
To be fair Kaine wanted to leave her with the NW. It's just that normally Aracelly would follow him.

I give it a genuine 30% chance that much like the whole "Mania was possed by the devil/mephisto" plot she's just going to pop up again.
I mean their in vegas that's close to dessert area.

Probably after a big fight between Ben and Kaine, the sky turns red or something and the 5th creation begins and they have to rescue her.

So I kinda gave up on Marvel in general about a year ago, and Clone Conspiracy sounded like shit and I never read it.

Why is Ben Deadpool now? When did Kaine come back and why does he have the scars again?

To be frank this doesn't feel like a good jumping-on point, and I'm usually down for both PAD and Scarlet Spider.

>>91888122
>Why is Ben Deadpool now?

Jackal started using a new cloning method that uses "psychic residue" found tissue samples taken from the dead to create a clone with all of their memories, including when they died. He tested it by using Ben's remains to clone him, then kill him and clone him over and over again. The swenty-seventh clone went insane due to possessing all the memories of his predecessors' painful deaths, and broke out.

>When did Kaine come back and why does he have the scars again?

He came back during The Clone Conspiracy near the end of last year. His cellular degeneration is back because he's no longer the host of the Other, but I don't get how that works because it was the serum made from Anti-Venom's white blood cells that cured him in the first place, not the Other.

>To be frank this doesn't feel like a good jumping-on point, and I'm usually down for both PAD and Scarlet Spider.

It's not. While I don't think this first issue was as bad as I expected it to be, if you're a big fan of Ben, you probably won't enjoy it.

>>91877374
I don't believe for a second PAD would forget about or ignore her.

>>91863853
>>91863853

Hurr dis guys just like deadpool. Not good, not evil. Duur an anti hero who befriends an old lady.

Somebody wants his own deadpool franchise.

Is Bagley gonna be staying? Seems like his art works great with the narrative. Rather surprising since PAD had lousy luck with artists in his recent Marvel books.

>>91863718
this is fucking terrible, he doesn't act anything like ben, he's like a shitty deadpool or a realistic miles morales.

>>91864969
I think people are mostly tired morally compromised anti heroes at this point.

>>91889141
I'm enjoying Mother Panic, so its not that

>>91870669
I want this to happen

So when do they kill off crazy Deadpool Ben and replace him with happy Spiderverse Ben?

>>91889141
But there are no anti heroes in Marvel right now.
Deadpool himself is nicer nowdays
Im liking crazy Ben to be honest, But i can understand why some old fans are pissed

>>91889063
In that case he'd be an improvement if he were Miles

I really liked it. Based PAD

>>91890199
Hell Yeah.

Ben is best Spider.
Fuck the haters and the Kainefags

>>91891912
fuck you bitch Kaine is going to kick his ass

>>91863939
>Rob people at a casino
>Take their wallets
>Take their quarters
>Waste grenades and ammo worth degrees of magnitude more

Still holding out this will be (or retconned into) Spidercide.

>>91891912
Ben is the best Spider. Ben28? Not so much.

>>91892689
He'll get there again, I trust PAD

>>91892025
This

>Benfags and Kainefags war
>Basically the Dick and Jason war

We are DC now

>>91863632
Man, that was really off-puttingly bad.

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>>91892025
>>91893036

>>91891912

But I'm a Miguelfag.

>>91893585
Miguelfags are alright

>>91893162
I suppose now that muh Kaine got depowered Ben might get a chance
Untils his multiversal partner don't come back

>>91889147
>>91889141
It's not so much morally compromised anti-heroes, though I think Marvel can really use classic superhero stories, but it's the fact that he's just deadpool. Almost on a literal level. It's a really fucking lazy direction to take the character, and granted, the foundation was shit to begin with, but still.

>>91865707
Yea it seems he was trying to go for the whole philosophical question of if one makes a copy of their mind down to the last detail and place it into a new body, is it still them? Problem is he shot himself in the foot with his Clone Conspiracy ending by showing that the originals are alive meaning that all this Ben is is a clone of a clone

>>91894820
Nope. Because Ben was regenerated, not cloned. He is a clone of Peter because Peter is already there, but he is not a clone of Ben because there is no other Ben.

>>91893635
Good taste brother.

>>91895132

Ben turned to dust though.

>>91895132
>Ben was regenerated, not cloned.

I thought Jackal used Ben's remains to create a copy, not restore him.

>he is not a clone of Ben because there is no other Ben.

That's definitely how Slott wants us to see it, but I can't.

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>>91863632

Hmm he could be just a clone of Ben. Which would still make him Ben I guess. Just fucked in the head.

>>91899762

Same way a clone of Peter would just be Peter?

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>>91899925

Anyone can go nuts, clone of Peter or not. But I think Ben clone will try to claw his way back to sanity eventually.

>>91897276
Not that anon, but he regenerated from that dust same as Wolverine did from a drop of blood.

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>>91900054

>>91900087
Why?

>>91900054

That's just bullshit, same ith Wolverine.

Just fucking use magic if you can't find a reasonable way, that's why it exists.

>>91893059
Kek

>>91900176
But anon. We were promised the Spider-Marriage wasn't going to be broken up because of magic, that's how we got the deal with the Devil.

>>91889024
It's really, really painful. This is the ultimate monkey's paw.

>>91863961
So she'll be B L E A C H E D and Ben's new love interest with a tempestuous romance. Elizabeth Tyne will probably appear for an arc to be 100% written out of Ben's life for good. Scientist chick will become a villain obsessed with Ben having gone crazy thanks to Kaine. Bonus points if she shows up with the Mark of Kaine.

>>91903199
4us.

>>91900054
No. That isn't what fucking happened. It is explicitly stated that Miles Warren makes a clone of the dust. Read the fucking comic.

>>91895132
You utterly fail at comprehending basic story telling. There is is an issue of ASM that specifically and bluntly states that Miles CLONED him. And then killed and reCLONED him 27 more times.

Stop being so fucking dense.

>>91891912
OFFICIAL SPIDER BOY RANKINGS

BEN > MIGUEL = KAINE > PETER > SPOCK = MILES > NEW BEN

>>91906698
Missing noir.

>>91863745
Ben isawful and is trying to be a dick Deadpool, let's just end this and give Kaine a new book

>>91906819

Let's not start counting multiversal spiders or we'll be here all day.

>>91887128
Peter needs to be there too, then they all go to NY and Peter introduce them as his deformed lost brothers

>>91892689
They should just made new Ben Spidercide, he eve has the mouth costume

>>91906698
No. New Ben is better than Miles by a long shot. Simply by the metric that he actually has a personality and Miles does not.

New Ben is also better than Spock (but that works out by your ranking system).

>>91906819
If you're going to include AU Spider people, then you're missing about 400 other AU Spider people, too.

>>91887128
>>91887154

>Somehow Nu-Ben and Kaine end up fighting inside a high speed plane
>Ben has the full power of edge on his side, utterly wrecking Kaine while morbidly joking around
>When asked why he thought he could beat him, Kaine only said that he was only buying time
>Plane computer announces their entering Texas airspace
>Immediatly after Ben slips on a banana peel creating a chain of light hearted events that ends with him fallin into a conveniently placed prison jail
>At some point in this montage Kaine gets a cowboy hat
>Next days the news celebrate the Scarlet Spider's latest arrest.

>>91907450
Miles is better because while Bendis is shitting him up, there is potential to the character because it's an actual new fucking character.

There is no potential to deadpool named Ben Reilly.

So what has lead to this? I've stopped reading when Kaine lost his book.

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>>91863632
>ruin a fan favorite
>give him a comic nobody asked for
>turn him into deadpool
>better scarlet spider is playing second fiddle to this guy

At least it's not tumblr trash but it's just regular old comics kind of bad.

>>91908583

There's the potential of clone Ben having to deal with the reality that he isn't the actual Ben Reilly but only the latest of a series of increasingly insane clones of him.

Milss will never amount to anything because he's already perfect and cool and his costume is better than Peter's and even Peter says so and SHUT UP HE'S GREAT. I'm not Bendis btw.

>>91908712
>There's the potential of clone Ben having to deal with the reality that he isn't the actual Ben Reilly but only the latest of a series of increasingly insane clones of him.
I'm sure that'll be handled with nuance and show how troubled Ben actually is and it just won't be however many issues of deadpool-derivative shit fueled by jilted Ben Reilly fans.