What one design element in cartoons do you dislike the most?

>>91832997
I know most of /co/ will say CalArts, but personally I HATE Disneyesque animation. Just can't stand the "smooth" feel of it, it feels so fucking fake. Give me regular, digitally inked 2D any day over that shit

The overstylized eyes in Littlest Pet Shop.

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Minimum effort trash everywhere these days.

>Overly angular
>Very thick outlines
>Floating/detached body parts/accessories

Butch Hartman is the worst offender

>>91833056
This here plus Bad storytelling/No Plot.

I can understand if its the style or lack because workforce is shafted into other areas of the property.
But mostly its just "no real story" with minimum effort art.

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>>91833038
Giant pupils have always looked awful to me. It's part of why I think a lot of anime and Disney princess designs are fucking horrendous. The only time I thought they looked really good was Powerpuff Girls who stylized it so well to the point of making it a visual trademark.

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For me it's not any specific artstyle, it's when people use some I'll fitting artstyle for some genre that doesn't belong because it's popular

>let's take these simple rubber hose comedy designs and put them in some kind of high concept drams show, that won't come off poorly at all! Let's make something you're supposed to take seriously look like a fucking grade schooler's how to read book! And this thing that's supposed to be a dumb comedy? Yeah let's make it look like some weird art house indie comic shit that's totally distracting and ugly and not funny!

Unless it's for meaningful overarching thematic juxtaposition don't fucking make the artstyle something that doesn't fit

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>>91832997
These deformed monstrosities without any coherent design (with the exception of Tom&Jerry, Scooby Doo and probably Transformers). I know that 90% of this site feels nostalgic about this shit the same way they worship awful Japanese games for kindergarteners that they enjoyed as little kids, but this style is lazy and degrading. There are almost no meaningful details (as opposed to Futurama, Adventure Time and that Back to the Future parody that everybody hates where you can pause at any moment and there will be interesting props and Easter eggs in the background and characters will convey emotions through poses and gestures in addition to facial expressions).
>LOL SO CRUDE LIKE IT'S DRAWN BY A KID, GET IT?
On the other note, I also hate how there's usually very little meta there, all characters are outlined in the first few episodes and then it's endless circlejerk of all characters being themselves and every episode ends with reverting back to status quo after 'we did it because we're best friends!'

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>>91832997
This shit.

>>91833028
>I HATE Disneyesque animation. Just can't stand the "smooth" feel of it, it feels so fucking fake.
Out of curiosity, do you prefer 24fps over 60 fps when you play a video game.

>>91833314
Can i get an example of a "high-concept drama" show using rubber hose comedy designs? Not trying to call you out, but i'm more curious as to what high-concept drama cartoon shows exist.

I remember the Mission Hill creators once said how they initially were going to use rubber-hose designs, but scrapped it because it didn't fit with the tone of the show.

>>91833777
Pretty much every time adventure time tries to be serious.

Steven universe can get pretty bad too, like I'm sorry, I don't buy into this world where everything is so clean and cute that there's some kind of deep dark past and sadness to get over, it comes off artificial.

>>91833690
I don't play video games.
I do prefer 24fps over higher frame rates for video.

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>>91833794
With SU, the show's cute style is suppose to lead you into a false sense of security. Everything is bright colored, happy, comfy, then you find out there are zombie gems out there being forced to fuse conscious and screaming mentally about it. Whether or not it's effective is still up to you, but it's better than Adventure Time that started out as one genre and became another unfitting one. SU at least had the intention of having dark elements from the get-go.

SU kind of reminds me of Paper Mario how the series for the most part is pretty standard Nintendo writing and then it gets to certain points like the Evil Queen sucking the souls of the audience who screech in horror.

The art style of a cartoon can make or break it. I will say I very much like the Simpsons and Gravity Falls art styles and don't like most of those CN flat geometric Dexter's Lab whatever kind of art styles. I've never liked John K's art style either.

Phineas and Ferb isn't terrible-looking though the animation is often slicker than I prefer.

Steven Universe is ok. I neither love nor hate it.

I don't like Seth McFarlane's art style.

Mike Judge's art style isn't that cute, but it works adequately for the material.

The horsey show looks nice, it has a lot of personality and improves greatly on the Gen 1 design and the old 80s cartoon.

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>>91832997
>Thick outlines & thin innerlines
>Double eye(Sonic/Smurfs, most francophonic ones)
>Klasky Csupo style
>Wobble lines
>Angular style
>Flat syle, the worst one is two eyes next to each other and nose aside
>Grotesque hideous edgy wannabe shit(King Star King)

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>>91832997
>Four fingers
Well depends because 3 fingers on semi cartoony/non cartoony humans are horrible

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The one thing that sticks out to me is the cheeks that Spongebob usually has in the newer episodes of the show (not sure if they dropped that in the latest ones). Something about them just gets at me.
More importantly, the ways shows like the later seasons of Johnny Test or Wayside or even the newest Fairly Odd Parents season flow animationwise. Other Flash shows like TTG bother me as well, but not to that extent where's it's strangely stilted yet smooth.

>>91834282
Kirby's another good example of that, especially in the more recent games where they give backstory to the villains.

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What design elements do you all actually like?

>lumpy faggot cheeks (new tom & jerry)
>tiny, exaggerated vertical smiles
>sausage fingers
>klasky csupo anus lips
>pseudo-anime faces

>>91837854
I fucking remember seeing that shit when I re-watched the Duck Twacy short. It stuck out so heavily to me, I never forgot it.

EVERYTHING MUST BE ROUNDED NO ANGLES KIDS HATE ANGLES

>>91833435
2/10 I replied but will not again

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>Too small forehead with long nose with small distance with mouth, this shit was common at the end of 90's and begining of 2000's
>Anything with too weird proportions

Triangle tits.
Aaaaaagh.
Thanks for forcing this on animators, standards and practices

>>91832997
Rigid poses and lack of expressiveness. I could forgive most cartoons on TV if they at least had that.

>>91840407
This is the only thing that breaks a style for me, styles that have bad fundamentals like timing and weight.

I suppose I also dislike when an actor with little voice training is hired because they're already famous.

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>>91833077
Standardised noses. Reduced, Disney potato-noses or even invisible noses irk me to no end, particularly when the entire cast shares its same design. It really is a significantly underrated area of general character design, and the only author I've seen give it particular attention is Urasawa.

>>91841015
you must not like anime very much then

>>91841015
You might like Fukumoto Nobuyuki then.

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>>91832997
>thick lines
in what way?
thick lines used right makes me cum buckets

>>91841669
disgusto

>>91841015

It's probably because assigning certain characteristics to certain types of noses brings to mind racist caricatures in Western animation.

For anime, it's a combination of a lot of anime being adapted from manga, where the tight deadlines forces manga artists to really streamline their designs and the fact that most anime is trying to sell you cute girls and boys.

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CalArts/UPA for me, I want WarnerBrosesque animation, not flat lifeless garbage.

>>91833264
Hamtaro will like to have a word with you, it's more /co/ then /a/

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Overly-rounded teeth.
It literally looks like something a kid would draw.

>>91832997
Modern style they use in animation in general. Things like Gumball, SU and so on.
I just can't stand it, it looks so ugly I want to vomit and beat the shit out of every damn artist and animator who draws such trash honestly.
I don't know if any of the stories over there are good because I can't force myself to watch it.

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>>91842149
it looked good in Rocko

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>>91832997
>maggot-mouth/turtle-lips
>relying way too much on geometry (ie. canadian cartoons)
>overly simplistic features
>mouth shaped like a shower dildo

>>91842072
>UPA

The UPA style hasn't be utilized to it's fullest in years so i'm assuming you don't recognize the difference between UPA and calarts

>>91842149
Only works in cartoons like Rocko's Modern Life.
Invader Zim has a square-ish variant tbat looks like zippers

>>91842185
>>91842229
I think its the bean mouth that makes rounded teeth like that look 10x worst.

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>>91842227
Oh, but I do.

>>91842397
But Calarts nowadays is Adventure time shit
Gendy stopped being influencial in mid 2000's

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>>91842484
No, thats Tumblr.

Also, color does matter in cartoons.

>>91842602
>Samurai Jack
>Bad colour

this is bait pic

>>91842654
You never use pink & purple in a cartoon.

>>91842790
Because John K said that?

>>91842790
But Babs Bunny is purple and pink.

>>91842295
It probably is. Maybe there's just too many curves in the design and the only way it would work is if you added angles. But of course, so many cartoons nowadays want to babyproof all their designs and get rid of edges

To me it's not about what is used in designs/animation, but rather how it's used.
Bean mouth can work, if it's a wide happy grin, and it's not the only type of smile the character has.
Noodle arms can work to simulate a silly dance, or being week in the knees and such.

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>>91842858
Yes, but it has been in standers before that.
>>91843044
In backgrounds.

Also Kirby.

>>91841669
It's not the thickness of the line, it's what you do with it.

>>91837854
>>91840266
These kind of relate to the uncanny valley in the sense that the stuff that is realistic only highlights the in-human features making it unappealing

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>>91842790
>never use pink and purple in cartoons
where did you get that non-existent rule from?

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>>91843502

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>>91843530
i know there's a lot of hate for SU on this board
but if there's anything they do right, its the backgrounds

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>>91843502
>>91843530
Hayao Miyazaki, John K, standers, that rule does exist.
>>91843570
No, this is a background done right.

>>91843502
>>91843530
Too bad people are going to disregard these since it's Steven universe

>>91843631
Read >>91843610

>>91843610
John K is just an asshole and anime was a mistake

>>91843631
the backgrounds in SU aren't that bad

>>91843610
Comparing apples to oranges. How do you get the same impact from a vista view and a child's bedroom?

Better example would be correcting the image in question.

>>91843730
that's actually the only good thing that came from this abominable show

>>91843664
>>91843610
Okey explain to me
Why is >>91843610 better then >>91843502 >>91843530 >>91843570 I'm not saying there are better then the bedroom background (you know different opinions and all)
Also why can't you use pink and purple in cartoons?

>>91843690
No it is not, theres a reason why people flocked to anime and it's because it had detail and most importantly of all, construction as if american cartoons still had construction nobody in the west will be touching anime.
>>91843736
There are at least 12 shades of colors in Laura's room compared to the 1 or 2 shades of color(s) of the backgrounds you posted.

>>91843778
Not even that.
>>91843844
More colors and richer pallet.

This is why.
johnkstuff blog /2009/10/jetsons-85-backgrounds.html

>>91843844
Because you are talking to Mr. Famicom who think TMS is the greatest thing ever and the only good cartoons from the 90s is Tiny Toons, Animaniacs and Hamtaro

>>91843730
I'm not saying that there bad I was saying that other people will probably say they are bad because they are from Steven universe

>>91843951
No you are not and Hamtaro is a 2000s cartoon.

You're also forgetting about Ren & Stimpy, The Simpsons, Beavis & Butt-Head and Futurama as well.

>>91844045
Also Pinky and The Brain and Freakazoid as well.

>>91843951
Who?

>>91843880
>>91843931
more does not necessarily equal better

>>91844075
Oh yea, guess I was wrong about who posted that, my bad.

>>91843931
It doesnt seem like hes saying "Never use purple" there, though. It just looks like hes saying "use appropriate color, because when I came in to the industry, everyone was using the colors everyone else was using, without actually knowing why and it happend to be a garish purple"

>>91844104
In backgrounds, it does, you want to avoid another Avatar where they just spam 1 color and get their coloring from a box of crayons.

>>91844120
And SU is "everyone was using the colors everyone else was using, without actually knowing why and it happend to be a garish purple and/or brown"

>>91842397
The UPA style looks full of life to me.

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>>91843610
>Miyazaki

What are you talking about?

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>>91844167
>implying you can't have good art with a small color palette

>>91844261

Just horrible. Miyazaki would roll over in his grave if he had lived to see anime become this.

>Comparing apple to oranges
>>91843880
That's a difference in the size of the palette. Both backgrounds look great. The sky looks unrealistic, but it's appealing and calm. The child's room looks detailed and energetic.

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Any art style that doesn't account for anything outside of the 2-dimensions. After Simpsons showed that you could do dynamic angles and perspectives through character designs with weird forms, there should be no excuse for any show that came after.

>>91844261
Thats Goro Miyazaki, I'm talking about Hayao Miyazaki.

>"Illustration from the late 1800s up through the middle of the 20th century was absolutely amazing. In general, American culture was at its highest skill wise in every aspect of human life in the 1940s. It’s all been downhill since then. You just open an old magazine from the 1930s and ’40s and look at the illustrations in it. There’s nobody alive that could touch the way they could draw back then. In old movies, the cinematography is a thousand times better than anything today. Writing, a thousand times better. You buy any book on color theory today and it’s just complete poppycock. Everybody comes out of school painting pink, purple, and green. The whole damn cartoon industry has pink, purple, and green on their mind."

>"Those are the colors of Cutie Honey. Most cartoons are those colors. They have been for many years. Until Cagliostro made that change. Cagliostro changed it, Toshihiko Masuda perfected it. And then there’s been some shows that have followed Masuda’s lead, like Tiny Toon Adventures which has absolutely beautiful color."

>"If you’re a kid wanting to be a cartoonist today, and you’re looking at The Legend of Korra, you don’t have to aim very high. You can draw Korra when you’re 10 years old. You don’t have to get any better than that to become a professional cartoonist. The standards are extremely low. Same as in illustration. Not very many people can draw who are illustrators today, compared to the early 20th century."

>>91844305
Reminder.

johnkstuff blog /2009/10/jetsons-85-backgrounds.html

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How flat is too flat, /co/?

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>>91844228
how? it's super flat, like a literal drawing on paper

not saying that's a bad thing; its a stylistic choice, but i still wouldn't call it "full of life"

>>91838045
nothing. /co/ likes nothing.

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>>91844384
That much.

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>>91844493
>/co/ likes nothing
my man

what was your favorite episode?

>>91844583
The one that doesn't exist.

>>91844311
Those pictures are a compilation of all entirely Hayao Miyazaki films... I don't know where you're getting Goro from.

And he's quite clearly saying you shouldn't focus entirely on those colours, but obviously to completely remove them from your pallet would also be a mistake.

>>91844292
lol wut

>>91833794
Steven Universe and Adventure Time use their colorful, simplistic art-styles to show the main characters, who are young, slowly growing and dealing with adult issues. It's the Earthbound effect.

>>91844620
All of the shots came from Tales Of Earthsea, a Goro Miyazaki film.

>>91844562
>dbz impact

>>91844620
all of those shots are from earthsea dumbass
i don't know of any miyazaki movie that made excess use of post-processing

Tumblr Nose. Just...fucking Tumblr Nose.

>>91833038
I don't know why, but I really like those.

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>>91844443
The fluidity of the design makes it look more weighted and fleshy when it flows together. Coupled with squash-stretch and
>>91844310, this pumps the style "full of life", as it more accurately registers the gravity of our world in the mind of the viewer.

>>91844679
>>91844697
Look closer, you've got Laputa castle in the sky, howls moving castle and Kiki's delivery service there

>>91844340
I have already read it over. They used too much purple for every scene, because it was normal for them to do so. And so every scene looks it was shifted into ultraviolet.

It's one thing to paint a room, and another to light a darkened scene. It's night and dark, and you need it to look okay on any screen. Just look at Samaria Jack when he's in the dark [recent memory]. You can light a darkened environment with blue, green, gray, purple, etc. All give off a different emotion to the scene.

Purples isn't a color that appears in nature, so it generally feels unsettling when used.

>>91844873
Nope, none of those movies are in there, seek help.
>>91844885
The thing is, you never use pink & purple in cartoons.

>>91844983
What do you think I'm debating? [Start >>91842790]

>>91844983
The scarecrow in Howl's Moving Castle is literally wearing pink & purple every scene it's in.

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>>91845201

>>91845201
>>91845233
I'm talking about backgrounds.

>>91845272
So if I use a bit of blue or yellow, then I'm good right?

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>>91844983
It's a small image, so I can understand your confusion. I can see Spirited Away there as well

>>91845371
You're using a tint.

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>eyes too close together

its a classic, but i'd rather my eyes be one apart

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>>91845399
I'm not using anything, personally. Got the image from google. But there might be a slight tint there, yes. Here's another example of purple being used in Ponyo.

I guess the point is that it's probably foolish in animation to regard an entire part of the colour spectrum as completely unusable.

>>91845552
he's only going to be contrarian because you're not praising his favorite shows, let it go.

>>91845588
I never turn down an ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET

>>91845552
But some aqua life and coral are purple in real life also I'm just talking about backgrounds.

>>91842185
It works for them because they're animals. Just like how it worked for ZIM while all the humans had regular teeth. We Bare Bears also looks fine with round teeth.

But put them on humans, and it just makes them look fucking stupid.

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>>91845735

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>>91842227
It has been and everybody has been looking the wrong directions.

>>91846622
C for effort.

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The "simplicity" meme and the push to make things silly looking like >>91846622
You can do so much more with animation.

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>>91846741
Nah.

>>91846741
If you try post one more anime photo, I'm reporting you.

Can't risk this turning into another Cartoon vs Anime thread.

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>>91846741
This as the same team who made Blue Jacket also did this years ago.

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Mostly design elements from canadian cartoons

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>>91847262
Yeah, it has actual animation, your point?
>>91847239
Gotta find my good examples of modern animation somewhere f a m

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>>91832997
Flat faces. Any face where the features just...lie flatly on the face with no sense of depth.

While I'm at it, I hate when every character is just a cookie cutter template and all look like the same dude with a couple differences.

>>91843610
That's not a rule, you can make any color scheme look good if you know what you're doing. Samurai Jack and Sym-bionic Titan do not look like eyesores, get over yourself and stop listening to cynical veteran animators.

Those Mickey Mouse white gloves
Also Rick and Morty Asterix pupils. Thankfully that one hasn't spread any further than R+M

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>>91847478
Man go fuck yourself those cartoon white gloves are incredible and I wish they were used more often.

>>91847478
How can you hate something so minute like the pupils?

>>91847586
Eyes are windows to the soul, not the sphincter

>>91842185
The simpsons has the same kind of rounded teeth, the difference is that simpsons and rocko's never went full bean mouth

>>91847478
Go fuck yourself my guy. Those gloves are a timeless classic.

>>91846741
>it's an anon has been conditioned by anime to think that the sole measure of good animation is how realistic it is episode

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>>91833028

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>flat, thin outlines
>bright eyecancer colors everywhere
>animation, regardless of smoothness, conveys no sense of weight

i get it, it's cheap and it attracts children, but jesus it's so bad and CN especially has been abusing the hell out of it

>>91845509
>mugman

My nigga

>>91833028
THIS, I don't get the love for it, it doesn't help the characters are literally sameface either. Nothing in real life even looks that smooth. I'd prefer We Bare Bears/Gravity Falls style any day, they move more like a normal human would.

>>91833598
>TFW hated this UPA crap
>Wanted something, ANYTHING different
>Got SU-style, SJW-friendly Tumblrshit

Monkey's paw, man.

>>91849194
Kids don't want that, it's why Voltron:LD became so huge, they want construction.

>>91849892
Voltron is just fat ugly fujoshits desu

>>91850200
But kids are watching it, otherwise explain the toys.

Kids hate TTG as much as we do, why they watch it is so that they can be just like James Rolfe and Doug Walker, they want WarnerBrosesque animation, not flat lifeless garbage.

>>91850346
my brother watches TTG constantly but i'm not sure if he actually thinks it's that great of just because they air it all the time

>>91841015
>posting overrated shit

I kid. Monster is great, even if the plot, sadly, goes tard in the end.

I still preferred Pluto among Urasawa's works.

>>91844310
This desu.

If your style is so limiting that you have to draw EVERYTHING in 3/4 and can't turn shit around properly, then you need a new style.

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>>91844384
I'd fuck that thing desu

Though I'd fuck/lick the feet of every witch this side of Gruntilda.

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>>91844983
>>91844983
>Nope, none of those movies are in there, seek help.
>what is the rifle from Princess Mononoke
>what are the sprouts from Totoro
>what is the after work scene from Spirited Away
>what is the falling scene from The Cat Returns
>what is the television scene from the climax of Kiki's Delivery Service
>what is the robot from Castle in the Sky
>what is the scarecrow from Howl's Moving Castle

Now I know you're trolling. But I'll r8 it an 8/10 for baiting this long.

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>>91850860

Well here's one thing that has always bothered me with recent anime: constant fucking blush on everything. Seriously, did they get sunburn or something?

Though as a fellow footdude that is a nice pic

>>91850925
>Being this delusional.

>>91838045
Those fucking gross as hell detail shots they do on Spongebob and I think Flapjack always made me laugh. I think they're fucking great.

>>91850860
Those are some nice feet; Now can you take off the rest of that outfit?

>>91851591
I want to F U C K Shantae's feet!

When is TMSfag going to fuck off?

>>91834282
Nothing in SU is as terrifying as Shadow Queen or anything in SPM.

>>91844086
A troll that you're better off not responding to. Save your time talking to someone else.

>>91847418
I'm curious; what's your opinion on a shown like Tom & Jerry?

>>91844261
Out of curiosity, did you really just have an arrangement of Purple in Miyazaki films laid out and ready? Why does this image exist.

>>91854972
If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably a "color aesthetic" post you'd find on like tumblr or Instagram or something. Most likely could find others with the blues, reds, or yellows of Ghibli too.

>>91832997
All I dislike is Cheek-Nose head designs. Main character of the Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs is the example of this.

Beyond that, I have no problem with anything listed in the OP.

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>>91854704
Eh, I'd disagree. I think the actual moment of this proto-Cluster forming and the Gem-holos screaming is pretty much on-point with any scary shit that happened in Paper Mario. I do think that no other moment has beaten that since then, though. Not even the actual Cluster or even the Hospital episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqp0jlXkNQk

Actual moment I'm talking about starts at :50 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

>>91832997
The fucking transparent hair meme that lets you see the outline of the eyes. It's infuriating to see it in fanart done by filthy weebs.

>>91853201
I bet by my $200 that TMSfag is Quentin.

>>91832997
>Disney's Mr Game and Watch.png

>>91833435
Came here to post pretty much this.

I've always been a little annoyed by being able to see a character's eyes even though it's blocked by hair. Thought it made no sense.

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computer animation

It doesn't help that every computer animated film designs characters with giant pumpkins for heads.