JSA Storytime: X-Force

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>>91821839
(I gotta pack, and I haven't)

Also, JFC the secret empire discourse has gotten even stupider than I could have imagined

Best comics Castro appearance was his team up with Wally West

>>91821870

I missed all of todays. Working during the day means i can hang in the thread at night tho!

it's real bad out there, and we haven't even gotten to the real event

i actually liked t-bolts 11 (tho it is a bucky book with bad art) and how spencer resolved the red skull stuff. now to actually read last weeks comics!

>>91821870
Looking forward to Marvel hiring Kerry Bolton and the ghost of Savitri Devi to write their next event desu.

>>91821839
>>91821954
Do we F for this?

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>>91821870
>>91821958
you laugh, but I've seen a surprising amount of "the Mjolnir stuff is clearly a Nazi shout-out to actual Nazis" today

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>>91821839
No more Madmen?

This place is going to be lousy with Guardians 2 spoilers, innit?
Nick Spencer sure is using this dial on Cap, eh?

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>>91822052
short storytime tonight because I gotta pack and not forget shit like last time

and yeah, it's trolling up to 11 and I kind of love it, it's a serious U MAD move

>>91822019

lol wut

I dunno if I've brought it up itt before but I don't think some people realize Cap and HYDRA are bad guys.

>>91822019
I mean, it is a parallel. Dunno if Nick Spencer is failing to write as cleverly as he wants to, is genuinely trolling or just DGAF at this point. Either way there's plenty of people that need to calm the fuck down. "Nick Spencer is a secret lifelong actual Nazi" is my new fave conspiracy.

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>>91822120

Twitter randos but still:

twitter.com/RealDorianDawes/status/856308762298245124

twitter.com/DreamtimeDrinne/status/856643591476850688

>>91821839
Hello, Storyteller.

We now return to X-Force. Who will get voted off tonight? Stay tuned to find out!

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>>91822180
oh man, Phat is great

>>91822019
Well, clearly Jane Foster is more worthy that Thor himself because clearly she is a white supremacist and he is not.

She refuses god magic cancer cure because she's waiting for her mighty Aryan healing to kick in.

>>91822180
The last reply on that second one is pretty sick.

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>>91822250
lol

Thing I was vindicated about today: Big Bang did sales numbers, and Deathstroke sells really well to kids.

>>91822250
There's been some discussion about Jason Aaron's writing of the hammer, Asgard and first Avengers etc on the back of this and well, color me surprised that he's more interested in breaking up the institutions of older Thor stories than building on or maintaining them.

Hey, Storyteller.

Um, just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Wendy's? He asks for no particular reason...

>>91822180

yo spoiler warning tho i guess that's a complaint at the twitter guy

has cap not had the hammer before?

someone should write something about how none of these people seem to care about Sam Wilson who is also Captain America rn

>>91822318

Gimme my Viking Avengers Aaron.

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>>91822294
I love the attention to fashion here

>>91822318
What I am most worried about Aaron steering the ship with Reb--I mean, Legacy, is that Aaron has a taste for backstory mysteries, see Original Sin and Thor, and he FUCKING SUCKS at them.

>>91822329
no opinion but I haven't been to one in years

>>91822355
my other find of yesterday was a bunch of totally Woke Black Dudes who really love the current Cap/SE stuff, which I really did not expect

>>91822294
Not just that, PRIESTstroke sells really well to kids. In one store. In Ireland. Comics marketing info is really crap and I wish it wasn't. Prieststroke is like, you would need to be a pretty specific sort of kid.

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>>91822386
SHOUT OUT!

>>91822391
They also sell Venom to kids which confirms my general idea that kids like edgy ultraviolence even if it comes along with adult kudzu plotting

>>91822294
Speaking of sales, how about Redneck #1? I thought it was pretty good but still baffled as to how it cracked the top ten

>>91822294
I wonder what the inside of his suit feels like.

>>91822355
I've been dying to see Hervor pop up in Thor for a long time. Simonson put Tyrfing in his own Ragnarok series.

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>>91822466
didn't read it, it's about vampires, right? I have 0% technology interest in vampires

>>91822386
>no opinion but I haven't been to one in years
Okay.

Alright, do you want to know why I'm bringing this up, or would you rather not see some "Oh, 4chan!" shit?

>>91822466
Donny Cates has been getting quite a bit of favorable press for a while now.

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>>91822532
It's not some kind of sex thing, right?

>>91822550
>>91822466
Also that's the fucking Rich the Leech bestseller list, isn't it?

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>>91822561

>>91822445
>time of the month
>acknowledging periods without being edgy or PMS monster about it
... Huh. That, only seems to happen in Tamora Pierce books. Shit, I'll take it.

>>91822318
>Comic book writer has no interest in maintaining continuity

There's not enough of them that do anymore for things to ever actually feel like they matter long term.

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>>91822656
what's out this Wednesday that I will be not here?

two shops is a very small sample, but the Nick Fury book made no splash

Waid's doing fun Avengers continuity stuff in Avengers and that Kooky Quartet mini

>>91822386
>my other find of yesterday was a bunch of totally Woke Black Dudes who really love the current Cap/SE stuff,

Because it validates their "white folks are out to get us" paranoia?

>>91822561
Well, yeah. /co/ has taken a bit of a liking to Wendy, the mascot.

Two maxed out threads worth of a liking.

Yeah.

>>91822466
Reminds me a lot of Bradbury's Homecoming and Kuttner/Moore's See You Later. But, you know, now.

>>91822750

did anything trigger it?

it's...a strange meme

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>>91822713
Edie is the best

is that an international cross-cultural fuck you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_Kozakiewicz#Kozakiewicz.27s_gesture


>>91822748
they're into the struggle Sam is having with the system and are not inherently upset about pure husbando icon Steve being evil

>>91822750
WTF

>>91822721
the best page of the week was that one from JJ with the crazy bitch who wants to kill the Champions

>>91822713
Stokoe Aliens
Final Clean Room
Ultimates
Both flavors of X-Menz

>>91821839
Congratulations, OP. You're no longer the biggest faggot. That honor goes to the pencildick who egged my car.

>>91822561
When is it ever not a sex thing?

>>91821870
That's a fairly common before-bed ritual, I guess, since I do it too.

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>>91822843
;____;

>>91822887
Nicky also said Foes fans would be happy at something

I just want his Thunderbolts book, get this event stuff over with, etc.

I hope that DC sees how well received Prieststroke is and gives Priest another book that could fit him.

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>>91822936
What do we want to see Priest write

also what does Priest want to write

>>91822901
What, loading and unloading guns?

>>91822936
There's all these books that feel like Priest's territory but I mean, coming off this I would read his damn Tanya book.

>>91822019
U-Go checkin out that Sensitive ass

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>>91822986
she won't admit it

>>91822968
>I mean, coming off this I would read his damn Tanya book.
Same. I'm impressed he made me like not only Slade, but a generic teenage girl from a forgettable Teen Titans run.

Go even further and do a Tanya/Bumblebee book so that he could make fun of Antman and Wasp desu

>>91822785
>>91822837
So basically, a few months ago, Wendy's twitter account started getting some buzz due to the company's media manager making a bunch of very sassy remarks, to haters, to other companies, just generally talking smack and being highly entertaining. This gave birth to a meme, Smug Wendy, which is basically just Wendy as one of those smug anime girls, prompting fanart and such. /co/ apparently just today found out about this, and now the fucking Wendy's mascot is the current flavor of the week.

Because why the hell not.

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>>91822997
lol, the House can't pass a vote either

>>91823029
ohhhh!

I'd seen some of the sassy twitter jabs

>>91822180
These folks really need to take a chill pill

>>91822916
>, get this event stuff over with

Yeah, I'm not really morally outraged by it or anything, but it's exactly the kind of stupid crap that made me lose interest in Marvel ~2010 or so.

>>91823016

NO *clap* BAD *clap* CHARACTERS *clap*

>>91822959
The stuff I'd love is stuff we've read: Manhunter, Suicide Squad, (Batman and) The Outsiders, Omega Men, L.E.G.I.O.N., the Hawks. But I would at least look at anything he was on.

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>>91823048
holy shit

>>91822959
>What do we want to see Priest write
Titans, Wonder Woman, or Green Arrow for an ongoing, I guess. Just imagine Priest-level Circe keikaku.
I'd be down for a Ravager mini though, I like how he writes her with Slade, Joey, and Dick.

>>91823057
When HYDRACap is finally done if you know the secret Nazi code you'll be able to lay it all out in front of the American Medical Association and summon the lloigor.

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>>91823079
THERE ARE NO BAD CHARACTERS ONLY BAD WRITERS

There are lots of boring characters though so that's why Priest should get a hold of them, because he's a pretty un-boring writer right now.

>>91823199
I kinda want to read some of his less acclaimed stuff to get more of a feel for his writing.

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>>91823199
right, and I'd love to see him on something offbeat that I can't imagine being interesting. Okay, what's something I really do find dull, that's not teenies....

>>91822180
>twitter.com/DreamtimeDrinne/status/856643591476850688
Slick Nick gets points for keeping it real, but those points don't change the fact that he's clearly a retard who thinks the other person will listen to reason.

>>91822959
If he could make fucking Deathstroke a great book, he can do whatever the hell he wants.

Honestly, the more outlandish the choice the better. It's almost like Kirby picking Jimmy Olsen.

What's the lowest selling DCU title?
*looks at sales chart*
Odyssey of the Amazons. Priest should write Odyssey of the Amazons.

>>91823199
>THERE ARE NO BAD CHARACTERS ONLY BAD WRITERS

Jessica Drew though.
And Ultimate [insert non-Spiderman character name here]

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>>91823241
it's not remotely worth engaging with

even people who don't really like the story are backing away slowly from the intensity of some of the crazy and the conviction that people can be prevented from enjoying bad immoral art

>>91822189
I smiled

>>91823250
Priest SHOULD write Odyssey of the Amazons.

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>>91823292
how is that?

one more?

>>91823280
Man the traditional violence/edginess of X-Force becomes really horrifying when you tie it to this celebrity angle.

>>91823250
>Odyssey of the Amazons
So how even is this

I remember reading the first issue and thinking "meh"
Did it get better or worse?

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>>91823350
It's a really strong angle, IMO

>>91823336
>>91823355
It's not very good but it fits Priest's wheelhouse. Outsider culture, violent, dark tone, desperate people.

>>91822329
I want her to use my face as her computer chair while she shitposts on Twitter.

>>91823355
It's basically nothing. It's just Amazons getting in sexy poses while killing stuff.

It's so far removed from anything actually Amazon-related that I can't even enjoy it just from that.

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>>91823423
Your kink is your kink, anon

>>91823423
I really love how everyone refers to Wendy's Twitter as a "her".

>>91823440
>amazons finally get something focusing on them
>it's not worth reading

Why is life so hard

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>>91823440
boo, that sounds awful

>>91823366
>Dick riding Joe Queseda

Brandon Thomas is scum. Filthy down low scum.

Alex Alonso is fucking trash too.

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>>91823528
>>91823585
it was a pre-OMD time

>>91822656
Memes aside, that last panel is pretty fucking JoJo.

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>>91823366
John H. Whalen III should literally be killed for saying bad-azz IMO.

>>91823611
>Vivisector
New favorite character alert. How soon till he dies.

>>91822750
I completely missed them. Link?

>>91823440
I think the issue is that the story is so... pedestrian, for lack of a better word.

Yeah, there's the mystery of why Polly sent the captain to collect more Amazons, the idea that there are Amazons all over the world who need to be awoken and recruited is neat, and there's a lot of nice atmosphere and grit.

But, the characters are all kinda one-note, making the interpersonal drama unengaging, the mysteries are just kinda there, with no clues or hints given, and the villains are just bog standard antagonists.

It's a damn shame that we finally get a proper WW spinoff, and it's so painfully mediocre. I wanted to like this book so much, but I can't without lying to myself.

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>>91823655
"Aw gee, come on, man"

>>91823488
Well, the person who made those sassy tweets is a woman, so...

>>91823508
Right? What a fucking ripoff.

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>>91823739

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>>91823773

I don't entirely get why the normies are freaking out about HydraCap again. It started up before the hammer page even. Did they forget it was canon and that Secret Empire was coming?

But the fact that it's a big event is kind of turning me off the whole thing. Ready to just check out, tradewait, and read it like a year from now.

>>91822916
Ahahahaha fucking Bloke.

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>>91823807
Doopspeak is harder than Interlac

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>>91823829
F

no one is safe in this comic, guys

>>91823810
IMO it's because it's fun to be righteously angry, and there's a lot of displaced frustration going around, combined with cynical actual comics fans and a lot of movie/tumblr n00bs. Also the narrative has changed--DC is on the upswing and is viewed as the Champion of Diversity now, Marvel's cred there is fading and people are nervous about LEGACY like how they were about DCYOU going down in favor of Rebirth

>>91822959
He should take over one of Orlando's books imo. I feel like he could better harness JSA's potential.

>>91823366
Getting here late tonight, but thanks for doing the letters pages. After that cliffhanger last time, I read ahead to the start of X-static, and my god the salt in the letters is fantastic

>>91822959
I have heard he wants to write Batman, I would prefer to see him on literally anything else

>>91823810
They neither read nor understand comics, and remain angry about Cap dating neither Bucky nor Steve.

>>91823906
He would write a good Batman though. It'd be Batgod but I'd forgive it.

>>91823922
I saw a tweet about how much a comic about Cap making out with a guy would sell and... probably not what you think.

>>91823883
Orlando has been the biggest surprise turd in Rebirth. I really thought he'd be good but Middy may have just been a fluke.

>>91823879
>no one is safe in this comic, guys

I will continue to remain unattached to the narcissistic reality TV personalities.

>>91823810
>I don't entirely get why the normies are freaking out about HydraCap again
they're really upset that not only won't Marvel make Stucky canon they made Steve a NAZI!

like how dare they

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>>91823899
Letters are a good reason to do originals, it's true

>>91823951
Lobo in JLA is pretty good even if the book itself isn't

maybe Orlando is only good at tough guys

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>>91823967
>>91823968
People are still buttmad about Lobo being in the book

>>91823922
>>91823948

The Steve/Zemo shipping is giving me life. and I don't even really like Zemo!

>>91823967
I like to imagine those guys on the right have studiously practiced their posing.

>>91823967
It's amazing, there's a letter later on asking if this would be a long running series because the author wants another tattoo for a Milligan book, and Shade was too short (keep in mind Shade had 70 issues)

>>91824031
>I don't even really like Zemo!
reee

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>>91824031
now that's a minority opinion around here

>>91823879
>people are nervous about LEGACY

People should be nervous about Legacy. Best case scenario, it ends up being LESS of a trainwreck than most of what Marvel's done recently. It so far lacks all of the genuine apologetical elements of Rebirth.

>>91824031
>doesn't like best boy

smdh

>>91823273
There's no reason JJ shouldn't be as entertaining as Katehunter under a competent writer.

>>91824047

> Shade was too short (keep in mind Shade had 70 issues)

haHA and now i'm sad about no long epic runs anymore again

>>91824071

i think it's funny no one will come out and complain about just not liking the current writers

>>91824026
These are the same people that think women can't like Wolverine

most of them are using the excuse of "he's an alien powerhouse on Batman's HUMANS ONLY team, he's undermining the whole premise"

>>91824088
Herp derp Drew not Jones. Sentiment still applies, though. Get Andreyko for her next solo.

>>91824094
>haHA and now i'm sad about no long epic runs anymore again
don't worry, Slott will be on ASM for another decade at least!

>>91824069
>2001
>Still fighting communist regimes

What the fuck are you on, Coach?

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>>91824071
Rebirth was a real apology tour, and for his faults, Johns seems to know and care about a very wide spread of the DCU. I don't get that same wide-reaching feel off Aaron, and I don't see Marvel Editorial letting one person call the whole line like DC really did with Johns, who seems to have finessed a lot of shit along personally and well.

>>91824071
I'm not concerned because I don't feel like anything is actually changing substantially. Just more shit.

>>91824071
It's going to be more of the same except maybe they'll be telling the truth about not having an event for ~18 months

Though I can imagine they'll have like 3-4 crossovers instead, but hopefully it would be 4-6 part crossovers like DC's having right now instead of Black Vortex and Doomed length crossovers

>>91824164

and of course it seems like Johns top down manager stuff is the big thing helping Rebirth

>>91824071
>genuine apologetical elements of Rebirth.
I truly love that Rebirth is just DC calling a mulligan on the Nu52. "Okay, we kinda fucked up. Hold on, we'll try to fix it.".

To see a company basically getting in its knees and groveling for forgiveness from its costumer base fills me with a sadistic glee that cannot be otherwise matched.

>>91824193
The price the actual Legacy issue is going to retail at will be the biggest possible red flag for me.

>>91824144
>In the 2167, the computer puppeted corpse of Daniel Slott continues his landmark Amazing Spider-Man run, with a daring new storyline where Peter Parker goes back in time to kill his own parents.

>>91824112
>These are the same people that think women can't like Wolverine

Because he's awful and overexposed?

>>91823717
It smacks of a lot of the problems in most modern Amazon depictions up until Rebirth. Almost all of them are just kind of stern, humorless warrior women who value battle above all, and if you're lucky they'll give some token remarks about peace, before three pages later saying something like "less talking, more killing!"

The Amazons lacking some character has always been a problem even with Perez, but even there they were at least somewhat ideologically diverse. Every Amazon is trained for battle but they're not all soldiers.

By the end of the issue of Odyssey I read I couldn't remember any character except the one that liked being an artist more than a warrior.

I feel bad just dropping this, but I'm heading out. This is a really good read about Hydracap from someone who actually seems to know what the story is. Move past the title:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/04/23/steve-rogers-the-corruption-of-an-american-symbol

>>91824164
Obviously they should give the "Johns" position to Bendis, but you knew I was gonna say that before you hit the spoiler

>>91824193
if they were getting in some new writers (that weren't webcomics or Rivera-tier) I'd be more interested but more of the same stable they have now? meh

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>>91824253
That's huge. It's gotta be cheap.

>>91824222
One manager although he's apparently been quite open to "Tell me what's good about this", but also relaunching everything at once--but staggered--and with a driver behind it. At Marvel, the X-Line has already relaunched, to some improvement but we'll see, so it can't relaunch AGAIN so soon.

>>91824271
Because why would girls like a violent white man who kills things, that's not feminine

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>>91824309
there's this really butthurt Carol fan in the comments, bless his heart

>>91824311
IHU

>>91824315
Who's relatively new? Loveness, Bemis, Stohl came from YA novels, who isn't the same old

Putting Zub on another book is just sad

>>91824271
>the computer puppeted corpse of Daniel Slott continues his landmark Amazing Spider-Man run, with a daring new storyline where Peter Parker goes back in time to kill his own parents.
I would read that though.

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>>91824350

>>91823807
I like the visual effect Edie's power causes.

>>91824315
I feel the need to stand up for the new Gen X writer there, which I may regret but I feel "webcomic tier" is selling her short.

>>91824402
Edie is already very clearly the best girl.

>>91824271
>Because he's awful and overexposed?
how is he overexposed, he's been dead for like three years

no, they think girls don't want to read about a hairy manlet who's mostly known for snikting things, are you sure you don't want to read a quirky slice of life adventure comic instead? :)))

I'd read Logan over Laura any day of course part of that is I'd rather set myself on fire than give Tom Taylor another minute of my time

>>91824350
Loveness was doing Nova, right? man that book deserved to continue ;_;

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>>91824409
is that out yet?

shit, we need to start a new betting pool

>>91824292
That's the instant death knell of any story. Let's be perfectly honest, the plot is the least important part of a story. Yeah, you need it, but it's like editing, nobody really gives a shit unless it's really good or really bad.

It's the characters that make a story. If your characters are good, the audience will put up with a lot of bullshit and follow those people through hell and bad writing because they have formed an emotional connection to them.

I can't remember any of the Odyssey Amazons names. None of them had any defined personality traits to latch on to. That is a fundamental failure of storytelling. It's like this book is all premise, no detail. A sandwich without something between the bread is just two pieces of bread.

>>91824409
who's the writer? I haven't been paying attention to the new X-stuff

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>>91824475
>those actual pictures pasted in there

>>91824350

I am almost morbidly curious how fast Zub will drive Uncanny Avengers into the ground. He is such an incompetent writer.

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>>91824535
d'awwww

>>91824545
Finally laid out Thunderbolts as like a series of ficlets that never connect. He has a decent idea, and then he's like the dog going SQUIRREL! and he's off to something else and leaves it dangling. No one got anything close to an arc, even Bucky and Kobik.

>>91824031
I'm pretty indifferent to him as well. Only times I've cared are when he's interacting with the 'Bolts.

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>>91824579
And the character beats that were there were all pretty shallow. Abe and Erik trying to buy beer was cute, but it could have been almost anyone.

>>91824309
>Shortly after the invasion of Iraq, comic writer Ed Brubaker turned Steve Rogers into the man most people are familiar with, the authority-questioning idealist seen in the films.

Brubaker didn't do that. BRUBAKER DIDN'T DO THAT!!!!

He's been questioning authority since AT LEAST when he watched Richard Nixon kill himself.

>>91824456
To be fair, I think it's less trying to appeal to females as an entire demographic and more about appealing specifically to the demographic of girls who read YA novels, webcomics, manga, and graphic novels. Which I think is a totally fine goal.

So I think instead of trying to make traditional superhero titles that "appeal to women" like All-New Wolverine that end up appealing to no one, they should just have two things:

1) the titles meant to appeal to the aforementioned girls who read YA novels, webcomics, manga, and graphic novels (with some decent writers hopefully)
and
2) traditional superheroes that don't "appeal" to women, but just don't actively drive them away with lame unlikable female characters

I continue to point to the really large female contingent of WildStorm fans because the female characters are really likable and not offensively shitty.

>>91824475
It's not out till May. It's currently the X-book I'm most hopeful for.

>>91824510
Christina Strain. She did her own webcomic called The Fox Sister (which is definitely a cut above the average) but has been around in comics as a colorist for about 15 years and has written film spots and currently writes for The Magicians too.

So I definitely have hope for her bringing something to Gen X.

>>91824579

Which is a really bad quality to have in a writer. And Zub doesn't have the chops to at least make it fun mindless action with witty banter.

>>91824676
>All-New Wolverine
ANW sells decently IIRC.

>>91824545
Didn't they JUST bring Wonder Man back too? my boy Simon deserves better than Zub

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>>91824676
WS has a wide variety of interesting women as well as quality husbandos.

>>91824681
Again, I'll say Hopeless' X-Force was entertaining, and Zub definitely failed at hitting that benchmark, even without Malin's "art".

>>91824713
Yeah, I'm not into ANW and fuck Taylor with a rake, but it's doing relatively well.

>>91824579
That last panel is... kinda pedorific.

>>91824732
You go, U-Go Girl.

>>91824645

I did like the beat of Kobik bringing Fixer back because they missed him but it's yet another example of Zub setting something up and then never following through on it. In this case a serious look into the intra Bolts relationships.

>>91824676
yeah, it's great to have comics that appeal to that YA demo but too often that gets twisted from "young women readers" to "women readers"

I know several people who love All New Wolverine and they're all dudes in their 20s

>>91824721
I feel like Zub is in a weird place where you can't even necessarily say the character writing is shitty because it isn't even there at all.

I am happy we can call his run Z-Bolts though.

>>91824762
It's a sickness that Kraven wasn't on the team this time after the Stand-Off appearance.

>>91824713
I'm only using that as an example, and I've never read that book or heard from anyone who has.

This is kind of projecting but I doubt the audience making it do well isn't more female than any other popular book. I just don't know any females that would see something that says like "you know Wolverine? Well now he's a GURL" and be interested.

But again that's projection and I don't have any information to back that up, so maybe I'm totally wrong. I do know girls tend to like X-23 quite a bit.

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>>91824734
I didn't wanna say it, but I was thinking it could go either way

>>91824721
Simon put up against/with Atlas is always an interesting combo, given their histories

>>91824762
Biggest waste is either 1) no Karla scheming but even more 2) NO exploration of "Abe was a jailer"

>>91824770
Not providing for a YA demo and "likes to read YA even though not YA" is dumb, but making it everything is also dumb.

>>91824770
I kinda hate how ANW doesn't take advantage of the wider supporting cast Laura has. I feel like if you want to establish her as a character separate from Wolverine that's a good route to go down because there isn't a huge overlap. Whereas if you stick to the X-Men...

>>91821839
everybody dies

the red hair chick has a daughter


also wasn't this called x-statix

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>>91824813
oh nooo

thanks for reading, owls

we'll be back for sure Thursday night! Now, gotta pack and get some fucking sleep.

>>91824844
G'night, OP, thanks.

>>91824840
It becomes X-Statix later to accommodate the "not muh xforce" crowd.

I'll have a DL link to both X-Statix and X-Force in about ten minutes, folks

>>91824813

Especially since being a jailer in a place where your old friends are being brainwashed into meek drones is a pretty darn fucked up thing to do to your buddies. Zemo is one thing, but the others?

>>91824844
thanks OP! have fun with your opera stuff

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>>91824871
It's deeply fucked up! And I'm sure Spencer had some good reason for him to be doing it, but it's really unclear how many notes got shared and who was calling the "what has to happen" shots, as Zub got kind of huffy in the "This isn't just a Cap companion book" loldefensive way.

>>91824891
my ass is ready for 6 hours of sitting and listening

>>91824844
Hope you enjoy your trip.

>>91824770
>yeah, it's great to have comics that appeal to that YA demo but too often that gets twisted from "young women readers" to "women readers"
There's a particular site and editor whose whole conversational and writing style seems to take that leap and I find it unbelievably condescending as a result.

>>91824915
>Zub got kind of huffy in the "This isn't just a Cap companion book" loldefensive way.
Shame he literally wrote it as Bucky Story Jail and Plot Resolution for 11 issues then.

>>91824840
Die.

>>91824871
Every single one of the original T-Bolts could have had good fucking arcs coming off of where Stand-off ended.

>>91824916
is it Wheeler?

To be fair, I know a lot of goddamn grownups who primarily read YA, which I think is weird and self-selectively stunting, but I read cape comics so who am I to judge

>>91824813
>lie detector
Worthless pseudoscience garbage.

Also, Guy's patents only spent 7 years in prison for the attempted murder of their own child? What, did they seriously get a reduced sentence because he's a mutant? Fuck the Marvel universe. Seriously.

>>91823953
Yeah, everything Allred's doing here, Ostrander did better in Suicide Squad.

>>91824813
>>91824734
You guys are sick. The panel's perfectly innocent. Remember, the dude JUST found out his daughter died.

>>91824844
See you then.

This continues to not feel like a proper Marvel book in the least; Shoulda been an Ultimate title or something.

>>91824309
Making it to the end of that thing... I really think this guy is basically unfamiliar with basically all pre-Bru Cap.

>>91824951
>To be fair, I know a lot of goddamn grownups who primarily read YA, which I think is weird and self-selectively stunting, but I read cape comics so who am I to judge
yeah I can't really throw stones at people when 90% of my reading material is shitty gay romance novels and fanfic

I'm trying to branch out more, I swear

>>91824947
come on everyond already knows that

and the other spoiler was very minor and takes up less than a page

>>91824915
Enjoy your Spear and Magic Helmet.

>>91824844
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.

I keep saying it, but Edie really is the best character. That's at least three blue chicks I've fallen for since joining these threads. Odds are this one's going to die just like the last one.

Good luck on your trip!

>>91824992
Don't agree they occupy the same space at all.

>>91824951
It's not Wheeler.

>I read cape comics so who am I to judge
lol, yeah I'm with you there. I don't wanna judge other people's reading tastes too harshly especially because as I've got older I'm more likely to read one type of thing for a long period of time (like a specific type of genre fiction). Most of my fave books have become short story collections and in-depth travel writing too.

>>91824992
Fuck off, SS had a bunch of boring fucks that I cared so little about I didn't even check into threads for awhile. Every single one of the guys in this has more personality than the entire Ostrander SS roster (sans Waller) combined.

>>91825070
Okay, you have to give me another hint

Also Milligan is going for celebrity culture, fame, all of that; Ostrander's going hard on bureaucracy and international politics. Different tones.

>>91825061
She's grey, senpai

>>91825128
I thought she was kind of lilac.

>>91824545

>Zub on BuckyBolts
>Zub on Uncanny Avengers as Simon comes back

i swear I'm not using a monkey's paw!

>>91825128
she looks blue to me

>>91824645
>>91824762
Said it before and I'll say it again, Korbik tearing Moonstone's heart out was the absolute high point of the run.

>>91825128
Eh, greyish-blue, whatever.

>>91825091
God damn, really? I would kill something like Ostrander/Yale SS on the market again. The supporting cast, the wide variety of character, the genuine lack of knowledge on how a particular character's arc is going to resolve (and everyone gets an arc pretty much). Unf. The work they did on Oracle alone!

>>91824675

I'm really really praying Nixon comes back in Secret Empire.

>>91825192
It was kinda the flashpoint at which from hereon out it was either going to be good/interesting or really fucking bad.

I wish #woke comics social media had gotten fucking savage about that, honestly. But Moonstone isn't in the MCU and they don't want her to kiss other boys.

>>91825195
I just couldn't bring myself to care. Closest any character got to being interesting for me was Nemesis, and that's just because he wasn't aggressively dull like everyone else.

>>91825226
Some day I promise I'll leechblock everything else, buy a box of wine, and run it as an SoP

>>91825232
It's so weird to me that that's the guy you pick out but whatever. Tastes differ.

>>91825261
>>91825232
And just to say, I like both this and SS a hell of a lot so not trying to put them against each other.

>>91825210
Nixon's Head in A Jar would be great new nemesis for Machine Man, given that Aaron's more or less Bender now.

>>91825329

Nixon as new head of SHIELD plz

>>91825329
>>91825462
>literal *head* of SHIELD
hire these anons

X-Force/X-Statix
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d3l7seo75bzjfm3/AABAKE_9Iu5xoJ3vqNo1euZWa?dl=0

>>91825560
TY

>>91824535
There's a lot of Real Pictures that show up in this run if you look carefully. Check out the top panel on the antepenultimate page of #116.

boop

>>91827436
*Doop

>>91821839
This is still the best X-Book.

>>91823879
This is Marvel's Suicide Squad even more than the Thunderbolts.

>>91830497
Nah, Suicide Squad used established characters (and actually kiled relatively few of them)

This series is built on everyone being a disposable new character except for Doop (who is also a new character, but rides real world popularity right into meme status)

>>91830561
Did Doop not have a solo miniseries at some point?