- pages the permanently and irrevocably ruined a character-

>>91809376
Is this even canon?

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>>91809395
Yup. Just like OMD.

She got preg and twins with him too.

>>91809395
The twins born from this are still around, still shown in some panel years after this happened, so yeah it's canon as it gets, this will forever hang over Gwen's character unless a cosmic retcon happens.

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>>91809376
Another classic

>>91809445
Thing is, I don't even see a cosmic retcon being able to undo the damage. It can't make people forget the incident.

>>91809411
>>91809445
I remember a Spectacular Spider-Man drawing of Norman leaving Gwen after finishing having sex then saying he never analogizes. Anyone have that to post?

>>91809484
This. Gwen Stacy's character was completely destroyed, forever. The character is worthless now, and nothing can change that.

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>>91809494
Gotchu senpai

Why did Gwen sleep with Norman? always saw this page. Was she drugged?

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This page sadly.

>>91809376
Honestly what pissed me off more was the fact that Gwen later calls Norman as a scumbag and says Peter would be a better parent for the twins, shit, did she actually plan to lie to Peter and make him believe the kids were his or she would have come out clean to him and hope Peter would still accept her and the children?

>>91809568
No, she's just a S L U T

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>>91809524
Thing is, with the kids around its not like they can say it was osborn using some memory fuckery to piss Peter off, so its not like a retcon would work. I don't think any single moment comes close to changing a characters image so much as this. Maybe Dr. Light rape.

Oh and pic related. Aunt may getting pregnant with peter then whoring herself to truckers was pretty terrible, but at least they were quick to change their minds and say it wasn't canon.

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>>91809568
Literally a pity fuck. Her virginity too. She was dating peter at the time. Got pregnant with twins, hid them from peter. Came back, resumed dating peter, died before she and peter ever had sex.

>>91809568
Emotionally unstable and just gave in to lust, typical excuse for cheating; Gwen was sober the whole time, it was consensual.

Yes she immediately regrets it but the damage was already dealt.

>>91809592
>>91809611
>>91809624
That's horrible, Gwen was always a terrible character but that just took the cake huh. And why Norman? She's worse than Mockingbird for killing her "rapist"

>>91809552
Coolio.

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Another candidate. Tied the character to full on lunacy and bad writing, and is going to dominate America's characterisation for the foreseeable future.

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>Lady Shiva appears in Batman: Hush doing a "favor" for Ra's
>Millions of readers and creators take this as her being a member of the League
>A decade or so later
>Shiva has ALWAYS been a huge ultra loyal member of the LoA, gets recruited into special projects like the League of Shadows, has literally nothing else to her character, what's an O'Neill?

>>91809583

The slap didn't ruin Hank. It's just annoyingly brought up all the fucking time.

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>>91809754
Another

>>91809376
>JMS is good, they said

Add to this list the page where Steve Rogers says Hail Hydra. Cap HAS been ruined. People just havent woken up to that fact yet.
He wont recover without a reboot.

>>91809876
To be honest JMS was going to make the twins Peter's kids but editorial nixed it and forced him to make them Norman's because "it'd age Peter too much"

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I guess for Comic Tony.

>>91809586
She canonically never had sex with him, so she couldn't pass off the kids even if she wanted to. But I think Pete would raise the kids anyways.

>>91809583
The fuck?

>>91809899
That's what I was thinking. What were they thinking with that idea?

>>91809928
Fuck anything Marvel Civil War.

>>91809997
Wonder Woman did nothing wrong.

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>>91809860
Why did you have to post this anon. Now I'm gonna be sick.

>>91809997
How does a panel of Wonder Woman holding a sword ruin her?

>>91809985
They knew. not to get all /pol/ but there really is a targeted movement to tear down everything traditional and replace it with boys-with-tits-and-illuminati-eyeballs. Or, at least, lesbians named America.

>>91809754
She's literally always been a miserable, unheroic cunt. She left the Utopian Parallel to become a hero like her mothers and then she just spends all her time scowling at everyone and acting like she doesn't give a shit about anything.
She's an interesting character in concept, but she really needs a more classic hero to take her down a few pegs and teach her how to be a hero. I would love a Steve Rogers redemption arc where they work together and change each other for the better.

>>91809968
I hate this romance.

>>91809997
but this made me love wonder woman even more

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>>91809376
How so?
It made Norman great

>>91809997
That did not ruin WW and I never liked that it was a major point of conflict as a storyline. Shes an Amazon warrior and if batman and Superman dont like what warriors do they can suck eggs. the whole heroes dont kill meme was always stupid simply because human bodies are fragile enough that batman has most certainly killed dozens of thugs over the years by accident. Explosions...shrapnel...accidental direct hits with batarangs right in the jugular...guys dying from internal bleeding after 3 days in the ER IC...

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>>91809376
This bit of editorial mandate and bad writing turned a relatively benign fan base into a toxic salt mine. Attempts to fix it failed to the point they gave up, forbade any mention of her for about half a decade and finally rebooted the character entirely, restarting her from scratch. That said, that's some nasty shit Gwen.

>>91810164
WTF?????


SUSAN BURNED THE COAL????


I just died.

>>91810123
Could they not just liquidate it like a "I pretended to be retarded, because... it was a special mission from Batman" ?

>>91809395
Dunno, They completely ignore and never touch it again after several attempt to revive the twins story but got BTFO real hard by the fan base.

>>91809997

This is why Wonder Woman will NEVER be as good as Superman

starfires slutting feminism 'based around her culture'
she hulks 400-long list of men she's fucked, five times or more, never in a row, and without her human sides permission (pseudo rape)
hydra being nazi 'for the edge'
captain hydra america
main characters that's been turned black/asian or canonically asian then turned black or mexican:
Asian Blue Beetle(all them rider references gone) is a very big one.

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Wanda as a reality warper. Thank you bendis.

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>>91809568
Gwen is a massive cunt. She cheated on Peter and was then going to convince him to help him raise her bastard children. Bitch deserved to get chucked off a bridge.

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>>91810164
Nothing happened, anon is baiting.

>>91810164
Why are Married Women in Marvel such Whores?

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>>91809997
this may not be the latest version

>>91810028
you i like

>>91810286
Norman referred to them this month when he called Harry his firstborn.

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KC did ruin Captain Atom a little.

>>91810440
Because Marvel comics are closer to reality than DC's

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>>91810484

>>91809909
JMS guy screwed twice by Quesadilla. His name is attached to two of the worst Spider-Man stories of all time, with OMD in contention for worst Super hero story of all time.

With Sins Past, he at least wanted Gwen to have Pete's kids but that was nixed. Then in OMD, the entire issue reads as if this is the worst decision Peter could ever make and there's no way he'll do it. but then he does because Quesadilla.

Tbh, if the only change with OMD was Peter giving Mephisto the middle finger and ultimately refusing, it would probably be regarded as one of the finest Spidey stories of the 2000s.

>>91810512
Really? Mind to post the page, I want to see it just for shit and giggle.

>>91810206
They kind of tried that by making her "Blackbat" but that never got any traction. They were promoting Stephanie Brown as Batgirl for a time so they needed her to disappear. Then they wanted to bring back Barbara as Batgirl so they both needed to disappear. A lot of fans hate that Barbara isn't Oracle anymore because of these mandates, hence the level of salt you see among Batgirl fans. It doesn't help that current Batgirl sucks ass.

>>91809909
>>91810574

JMS has always vehemently defended and continues to defend both OMD and Sins Past to this very day, and thinks that his critics are nothing but a loud and stupid minority.

>>91810574
>Joe Quesada
>Alan Scott

Wait, these 2 fat ass still in charge of Marvel Comic? No wonder they lose ground to DC even with that retard writing.

>>91810632
>JMS has always vehemently defended and continues to defend both OMD and Sins Past to this very day
Really? I think he stop defend it and go along with the fans to shit on Marvel for some time now so he spin thing and defend it again, huh? Kek, What a fat ass bastard.

>>91810635
All things considered, Quesada had a pretty successful run as EiC and wasn't that bad. He's just forever remembered as the guy who pulled the trigger on OMD, which ruins his legacy.

He was a fuckton better than Alonso.

>Gwen make Pete a cuck
>Spider-Gwen got BLACKED.com

Heh, this shit is funny

>>91810738
>the guy who pulled the trigger on OMD
But that's their down fall, anon.

>>91809860
So I missed out on mockingbird because I heard it was shit. What happened?

>>91809376

Does Spider-Gwen know about this yet?

>>91811110
Cain botched the rape retcon and changed Bobbi from being a strong survivor into a cheating spouse.

>>91809801
well she would have nothing else to her character otherwise
oneil is long gone and a lot of his creations are basically gone

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>>91811212
But she does. Puckett got it (mostly). Rucka got it. Dixon and Simone didn't really get it but understood she's more than just LoA bullshit. There is more to her than that, and there are writers other than O'Neill who have been able to at least tap into it.
But right now, literally every single appearance she's had in the New52 (except for maybe Nightwing and Multiversity) and cartoons/videogames are League bullshit. Even Simone gave the fuck up on it in Secret Six. And none of it is well-written or does her character any favor at all.

>>91809494
>>91809552
d-delet this

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>>91809376

>>91809552
>peter dumped liz for this slut
Still mad.

>>91811585
Well, Well, to be fair, she's not a slut until in 2004 Quesada &the gang make her one.

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I'm surprised no one has posted this yet

>>91813083
It makes sjws upset so /co/ thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread.

>>91809997
this was 100% justified

>>91810574
If it read like an easy choice there would be no dramatic tension at all.

You're mistaking JMS setting up the next decade of stories for how your fanwank vision of nothing must ever change would have done it. You're contemptible, regardless of any problems with OMD, because you don't understand how fiction works. Children are smarter than you.

>>91809609
Still mad. Dumb cunt bitching about betrayal.

Anyone have the drawing of Peter finding out she cheated and framing Goblin for her murder?

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Fuck Levitz, he is a hack.
It was at this moment that Peej was pretty much ruined forever.

>>91811570
>The BLACKED Swordman

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Be nice to Ozzy. That page made him better.

>>91810598
Mute Cassandra was the best Batgirl ever.

>no one has posted BOBBY YOU'RE GAY yet

I am disappoint

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>>91809997
>Actually giving your opponent the sweet release of death

>>91809968
>Wakes up with a naked woman at his side
>Engages in pleasant conversation with her.
>Waaaait, did we have sex?

Does Bruce often bring naked women to his bed without actually having sex with them?

>>91809968
Wtf? That's Talia? She looks like 19.

>>91814307
I think he probably just walked her home gently or something to that extent.

>>91814307
He probably always wears a rubber though.

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here's jade cheating on kyle, after he goes away on a space campaign for a while. This is also after they got engaged. Also she had the nerve to slap kyle a few pages after.

I didn't know it takes that much willpower to be faithful gl

>>91814307
Not outside the realm of possibility. Have to keep the illusion up somehow.

>95 replies
>still no Pymp Slap

This is slowly escalating into a /co/ ntr thread

Never seen such a case from writers going from absolutely hating a character to not being able to get enough of her as it was with Gwen from Quesadilla's house to her live action appearence that lead to Spider-Gwen.
Was it all thanks to Emma Stone?

>>91814460
After reading that entire run and infinite crisis, I still have no goddamn clue why jade was angry at kyle when she got busted

>>91814682
>Emma Stone
Well, kinda.

>>91814460

That wasn't the first time a female character was thrown under the bus in order to make readers sympathize with Kyle.

>>91814473
You mean one of the first 10 posts?

>>91809583

>>91814890
yeah, pity it destroyed jade as a character just to give kyle a reason to go hal hunting. Kyle deserved better but those assholes are still trying to tie her with jade including that star sapphire story

>>91814824
>women
there you go

>>91810598
Sounds like the answer already exists then if you have alternate names for two of the three Batgirls.

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>>91814460
>gf 1 gets fridge'd
>gf 2 gets merc'd by henshaw
>gf 3 cheats on him
>gf 4 dumps him

I think kyle cucking hal is justified

>>91814460
Lel is this Alan Scott's daughter?

>>91815061
yeah

>>91809376
Pretty much everything Bendis does has at least six or seven pages of shit that does this.

Like that issue where Miles complains that he's black spiderman instead of THE spiderman, and then one shots black heart for the apparent second time.
>>91809395
It's not supposed to be, but I'm pretty sure Bendis brought it back like he brought back carol giving brith to her space son and fucking him. Like why would you bring that back.

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>>91815101
>carol giving brith to her space son and fucking him.

>>91815137

>>91809640
More complicated than the person described it as though.

>>91815137
i think his son raped her or something, it's really bizarre

>>91815101
>Like why would you bring that back.
Super Heroes Comic last resort to boost a sales is to bring back all the controversial stuff back to gain attention, both Marvel and DC pull this shit a lot.

>>91809585
But Ollie cheats all the time? How is that any different from the sex scenes he had with Shado?

>>91814366
Lazarus pits

>>91815203
Does dc really do that? I don't read em like I read marvel, but they seem to be pretty good at not doing that. Sure dc has had cock-ups, but they do much more good than bad these days. Where as Marvel is a fucking dumpster fire of leftie progresssivists shitting on everything.

>>91814366
It's in the past, she;s supposed to look young.

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>>91810007
Still amazes me how they manage to make the second one even worse than the first

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>>91809997
>tfw no slick business-man max for JLI rebirth ever

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I hate everything about this issue
I hate the stupid involvement Bruce has with Victor's transformation
I hate Victor's new madness
I hate that literally everything that made Freeze an interesting villain was thrown out the window for the sake of getting more mileage out of him

>>91809943
>She canonically never had sex with him
Proof?

>>91815296
>damn you, doctor strange!

that writing is top notch

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>>91809376

>>91815296
This reads like a parody panel holy shit.
>>91815318
I think this, staple joker from pretentious shitbag writer, and nu-lobo were the only things people hated about the nu-52

>>91815318
they also changed freeze and nora's relationship

>>91815296
Poor white girl.jpg

>>91815372
To nonexistent

>>91815333
Read Sins Past if you're so interested. It's a plot point.

>>91815389
>>91815372
they changed it from tragic to basically what the mad hatter's relationship was with Alice.

>>91815333
Not that anon, but I think Peter counts himself out of the paternity situation because they never did it.

>>91815255
new 52 lois lane and clark is probably my main gripe with DC, luckily they did a bit of course correction in convergence (the only good thing that came out of that event) and corrected everything in reborn

>>91814269
Honestly Ice Man was ruined way before that, making him a closeted homo was just beating a dead horse.

Real shame to see Bobby get the short end if the stick all the time.

>>91815473
He was just cold Human Torch, then an asshole, then lolpower creep.
Iceman was a mistake.

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>>91815255
They do just not as many times as Marvel but still a lot. For example, Talia is their Queen of Controversial.

>>91815523
>Iceman was a mistake
He wasn't a mistake, the way he is mostly handled is.

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>>91809754
I'd prefer a second chance at a Puerto Rican Marvel character and would gladly take a wish on the monkey's paw for it.

I loath the bullshit, incredibly disconnected nuyorican trash America is, especially since there's so much material to make a convincing hero or anti-hero from in the island's history. From Santeria witchcraft and African voodoo, to the sometimes violent Nationalist Party headed up by Pedro Albizu Campos, to the crazy, generally unregulated drug trials that actually occured on the island and regular, prolific weapons testing, and then the 65th Infantry Regiment that fought in the Korean War and led the last bayonet charge of U.S. military history, there was enough material for a Puerto Rican super that wasn't trash.

Instead we get this LGBT "orgullo" trash that the writer thinks is authentic because it mentions Alcapurrias every once in a while.

I am platinum mad.

>>91815372
>>91815389
Years retry sure that it was stealth retconned post rebirth in snyders All star so they're back together at least

>>91815523
The X Men were a mistake

>>91810574
Look at the bright side; at least we know what went wrong and who to blame.

>>91815569
who's the artist? i like the style

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>>91809376
Still can't believe they made Zatanna a national socialist.

>>91815569
Why did everyone hate Tony by the end of Tome runs out

>>91815616
Magic characters are not popular

>>91810574
Well, Quesada pull that shit to gain attention and more muhney because at the time despite having a good story it's also kinnda bland so he want to add some peper into it and here comes JMS and his brilliant plot(sacasm) of Gwen having Pete's kid...a plot that make Quesada grin and you know the rest.

>>91815628
Leinil yu i think

>>91815621
No. We've all known for a while who's a fucking cancer on marvel (and no it's not Loeb) and it hasn't helped us do shit because they're basically set. That stains not coming out without heavy doses of bleach and you might even have to throw that shirt out.

Bendis,Quesada, Slott, Nick Spencer, and all the progressive agenda pushing fouchebags. They need to go but they won't because Ike doesn't give a shit as long as they aren't stepping on his toes.

>>91815789
Spencer is fucking godlike.

>>91815643

It's DAS Zaubermädchen. Fucking burgers.

>>91815673
Magic is just an option; I personally think there's enough magic characters and Santeria has already been featured in a few minor comics.

But even removing just the "weird Syncretic Christian-Yoruba hybrid", there's still a lot to pull from in the island's history and enough that there was no other excuse for how terrible America Chavez is beyond laziness.

>>91815839
She doesn't actually come from Puerto Rico, so I'm not sure why she is an insult against your people.

>>91815806
>Spencer is fucking godlike.
No, no he's not, he is a nu-male cuck and he's desperately trying to paint a narrative that has Cap be some sort of bad guy while telling off conservatives or seomthing. Basically his masterstroke is being a cuck and fucking things up so spectacularly it looks like he's a genius. The sheer amount of damage control he's doing on twitter will tell you all you need to know.


Hell, the message he sent in Falcon's book should tell you all you need to know, with Wilson supporting the extremist's views even if they were completely stupid. His words were "the message was sound but they're going about it wrong" and that in itself is bullshit.

>>91814307
Dude, Bruce is gay.

>>91815806
Nick. C'mon.

>>91815887
I'm just a little pissed that whenever a Latin character of any kind is in comics, it's to milk diversity bucks instead of tell an interesting story. It's not really just about Puerto Ricans, it's about all the "Latinx" characters and storytelling as of late.

There's stories about colonial politics, the Cold War, nationalism, cultural identity, and split loyalties that could actually be compelling if handled correctly, but the reality is whenever somebody "includes" Latin characters they're just signalling.

>>91815011
Kind of but not really The original version of Casandra Cain is essentially scrapped now. The new one introduced towards the end of N52 is essentially an AU version called Orphan. She has a different origin and has never served as Batgirl. I am not sure for Brown. I think post Flashpoint, she too was never Batgirl also.

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>>91815417
K, just read it. How abysmal.

>>91815255
marvel has more of a tendency to double down on their controversial stories

>>91809968
IIRC, this was because Morrison misremembered the scene as Bruce being drugged. He wasn't in the original version.

>>91809376
why does norman osborne have negro hair i never understood that

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>>91814269
ok

>>91816183
Well if that AC leak was real and everything pre-FP is made canon. Then it will be real fun to see if they ever bother to explain it.

>>91810099

This. Never even cared about Gwen until she was the mother of Norman's twins.

>>91815101
Did people know Miles' identity at that point? Or was he just black spiderman because of his costume?

>>91817384
There was a rip in his clothing in a fight and some woman that hosted a webshow made a big deal about his skin.

>>91817434
The costume thing would have been funnier

>>91817496
Scarlet Spider had less Red in his costume than Spider-Man.

>>91816183

Not scrapped just like everyone who isn't Superman, Lois, Jon, and Wally. They just don't have their previous lost memories. Memories of their original selves. She's in there. Just under a lot of grit. A LOT OF GRIT.

>>91809376
I can't believe people are still able to read Spiderman, if it's not being boring it's being JUSTed hard

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This might be the one for Beast. It's not that he wasn't bad before, but this was the final nail in the coffin imo

>>91817384
They found out from a rip, but even then it still compounds the stupifity of the point. There's multiple spiderman and you're the only one wearing black, if you don't want to be called black spidey don't wear a black costume.

Additionally he will never be black spiderman as long as Pete is around, and I hope to fucking christ Disney is not dumb enough to back the arrogant cocksucker that is bendis.

So does Marvel just destroy their characters more often than DC?

>>91817724
it's more of a chracter assassination followed by a minority replacemnt than an outright destruction.

Although I know dc recently got a muslim as doctor fate.

>>91815296
First time I saw this page I thought it was an edit

>>91818197
I can't wait until IlluminatingComics gets to it. They are up to Rhodey's death now

>>91817927
Doctor Fate changes identities literally all the time and Kent is his uncle anyway

Where are these fucking casuals coming from?

>>91817724
Yup.

>>91813303
No, most of us find it funny because it become a popular internet meme parody. I couldn't care less if SJWs get mad over a comic, they get mad over everything.

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Why are so many of these due to sexual/romantic fuck ups? They are so much more damaging than say, mass murder.

Like I agree with them all, but its pretty clear that these events are either huge heel face turns for the character, or strait up character assassination.

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>>91809376
The Captain America issue where the Red Skull claimed HYDRA was always a front for the Nazis and there's no difference.

The writer who came up with that got fired after this issue but that panel still comes up from people who think it's Jack Kirby's original intentions or something.

>>91818296
So the good doctor just happened to change to a political hotbutton immigrant? come on anon.

Muslim isn't a race it's a religion, why even make a point about it unless you wanted to stand ona soapbox.

>>91818273
There's a website devoted to making dumpster fires into shitposts? Sounds divine.

>>91809583
>Hank does this once while literally psychotic
>its still brought up on occasion
>Reed Richards does it while completely on the level and isn't anywhere near as sorry about it
>never mentioned again

>>91818797
http://illuminatingcomics.tumblr.com/post/158105476535/the-worst-thing-after-a-war-is-a-war-fought

I think it originally started on /co/ years ago with Hickman's Avengers. I linked the start of Civil War 2, but there is a dropbox or something linked in the about page that has .cbr's of older stuff (like Secret Wars)

>>91819145
Hot.
.
.
.
The whole Ultimatum is retard anyways.

>>91819145

Did that really ruin Ultimate Blob forever? He died almost immediately afterwards.

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>>91813303
I would have sex with hydra cap

>>91814000
not when she started whoring for money and as a way to steal technology?
>turf war
I feel like getto talk is 1 step away

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>>91816875

The Dibneys.
Not even retcon it will ever erase all the shit that happened to them.
Thanks Brad, I hope you burn in hell.

>>91810351
Tell that to Zod's snapped neck.

>>91814460
Her brother got shat on to.
He went back to being batshit crazy even though the all curing medicine that is penis had made him sane.

And it was all to make Alan look badass by taking down his retard kid.

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Daddy is nice but shota dick is better

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He's never coming back unless a /co/fag lands a writing job at Marvel

>>91809583
Based Hank.

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This whole issue. soapboxing should be banned, bitching about character you don't like should be limited to forum posts, not hashed out on the pages

>>91817674
What went wrong here? (For hank i mean, IvX was wrong all the place)

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This guy.

>>91818449
writing sopa opera is hard.

>>91810123
To be fair, Didio fucking hated her, he WANTED her ruined and gone, so it wasn't really an "unfortunate accident" so much as "the intended result".

>>91819851
>KILLED AN ENTIRE PLANET SO KILLING A LITTLE GIRL WOULD BE EASIER

What's with Spider-Man and writers trying to permanently destroy the character and his mythology?

>>91819851
That wasnt your regular character assasination, that was ADVANCED Character Assasination.

Could he be fixed without the "lol another Bishop"?

>>91819961
Hope killing everyone on the Earth in the present, but that is just assassination of other characters.

>>91814960
KYLE deserved better?

>>91815361
>I think this, staple joker from pretentious shitbag writer, and nu-lobo were the only things people hated about the nu-52

hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I have a serious question for you: How old are you, and how long have you been reading comics?

>>91819954
I'm on the theory that it's a mix between being over zealous Parker Luck and writers showing contempt that a fictional character gets more action than they do. In Bendis's case, he wants to fap to his creation, Slott just hates Peter

>>91820022
Given what happened in AvX and Bendis X-men I would take it.

Imagine the memes
>Bishop literally did nothing wrong.

bladderspasm

>>91820117
Ironically Bendis Peter was pretty good.

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>>91820146
kek.

>>91814000
I don't remember this, what from?

>>91818449
Most comic writers can't into romance, and worst, they can't into romantic angst.

>>91815347
I have no idea what this is.
But somehow I still hate it.

>>91818449
Its because Cheating is a form of betrayal, and a particularly despicable form. Its an indication of poor morality and extreme selfishness, traits that humans are instinctively abhorrent of.

Gwen, Jade, Mockingbird - the action they take are ones that are particularly repulsive.

>>91815643
Was she really though? It seemed more like a hostage situation.

>>91815318
This. A 1000 times this. Fucking hell talk about not getting it. I remeber an interview where Snyder claimed it made Freeze more tragic.

It fucking takes away all weight to his villainy. To his relationship with Batman

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>>91809997
This did nothing to alter my perception of Diana.

But it was at the tail-end of the complete ruination of a different character.

No, not Booster. He's made through that bullshit just fine.

>>91810028
L O L.
>yfw Ted Kord committed suicide.

>>91809754
America's been a shitshow since Gillen's YA. This book is just building off of that.

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you guys just don't get art

>>91809376
Wtf? is this ntr in comics?

>>91815025

Wait Cyborg Superman killed Donna? When?!

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>>91815137

>>91821018
its clear you don't read comics

>>91814460
Jade was ruined when she slept with Brainwave Jr. in front of Northwind's unconscious body.

>>91815209
Shado raped him, Melody (or Melanie? I can't remember) was entirely his choice

>>91821018
no its cuckoldry

>>91815025
None of that was Hal's fault, Kyle is just a shitty person to be around

>>91809595
she whored herself out to truckers?
who thought that was a good idea?

>>91819499
Oh my god is this canon?

I actually think that works

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>>91815137
Aaaand here I go.

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>>91822035
What do "Carol corps" think of this?

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>>91822074
Nothing, as SJWs don't read comics.

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>>91822118
But if they ever read this, maybe tumblr will think Carol was right.

>>91821347
Huh. Is this an edit?

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>>91822156
She's a woman, she can fuck anyone if she wants to, even her son. What's wrong with that for tumblr?

>>91822179

noper

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>>91822179
No.

>>91809583
See, when Peter did this to MJ, it was okay because MJ was pregnant.

>>91822232
At least they got the continuity right back then.

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>>91822245

>>91819416
General Hux?

>>91822035
>He'll be quarterbacking the Jets
Why is Beast the worst person?

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>>91822270
Someone should ask Brevoort about this comic.

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>>91822336
I mean, every single time Marvel tries to push Carol we should bring this up.

>>91822035
So Jocasta and Vision are siblings?

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>>91822373
Just imagine the shitstorm in the movie release when all the clickbait sites start posting how Marvel will bring to the big screen a character that fucks her own interdimensional rapist son.

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>>91822472
This could be the new Seduction of The Innocents if done right.

Carolgate? Incestgate? Rapegate?

>>91810440
most Marvel writers are married men who constantly wish they were having an affair and have a nagging feeling their wives are having as much extra-marital sex as they themselves wish they were having

>>91822525
You skipped a page

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>>91822525
And this was most of it. Nice way to celebrate Avengers 200th issue. There's nothing wrong, the Avengers are OK with it.

Jim Shooter was our man and I want him back.
He doesn't like a character? OK, he'll make her fuck her own son to get rid of her and taint her forever.

>>91822587
I skipped many pages. Someone should post the entire comic.

>>91809595
>but at least they were quick to change their minds and say it wasn't canon.
This doesn't get mentioned a lot, but Bucky appears in the comic so I don't think it was really meant to be canon.
Unless they decided to make it non-canon in the middle of the run.

>>91822597
Hawkeye's expression there sums up my reaction to this piece.

>>91813826
>nothing must ever change
Spider-Man had changed. The Other had changed Spider-Man into a more mystically attuned character. Back in Black had changed him into a wanted fugitive. His time with Ezekial had changed him into taking a more nuanced perspective on his life and opportunities.
OMD was the reversal of those changes, and many many more. straight up regression.

>>91811178
Wait, what? Bobbi became a cheater?

>>91814307
what isn't shown is Talia draining the semen from his balls with a syringe while he's paralyzed from the drug, to be sent down to the artificial insemination lab in the win cellar
having actual sex with him first was just a courtesy

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>>91822597

>>91822828

The final issue of her ongoing implied that her and the Phantom Rider's relationship was consensual, which raises a lot of uncomfortable questions.

>>91822786
^This. The ironic thing is that they did it again when he got his body back from Doc Ock and are planning to do it again now that they don't want Parker being rich anymore.

>>91815025
You take that back you dirty mother fucker.

>>91822943
Well, I mean would it really be that bad if she was actually cheating? Any sort of guilt on her part would help develop her.

>>91822597
Fuck this Jim Shooter worship. He ruined Marvel.

>>91823107
She fucking killed him because she was raped by him. If it was consensual then she killed a man for nothing.

>>91818463
FOURTH Reich? The writer doesn't know what Third Reich means.

>>91822597
I like how everyone is like "uh...."

>>91823316
Do you not know what the Fourth Reich is?

>>91822257
By reading a wikipedia entry on it. Bendis is notrious for his broadstrokes bullshit "continuity" cause Peter had two 16th birthdays and apparently all that this that happened in USM was within less than a year since he started when he was 15.

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>>91823316
you do know there was a first and second reich, right?

>>91823237
>If it was consensual then she killed a man to keep him from talking so she would never have to deal with the consequences
FTFY

Didn't Cain portray this as being a good thing?

>>91819961
Just off the top of my head, 90s era Bishop fighting current Bishop, and saying current Bishop learned nothing from being an X-man.

>>91819758
What the fuck is this art?

>>91809583
>EMH Wasp getting hit
More

>>91809928
Pssh, his mind got rebooted and CW is 10 years old now which is ancient history according to Marvel editors. Nobody cares that Tony was Iron Fascist.

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>>91822587
But yeah, that page was interesting. Is Kang the Marvel character with the most fucked up continuity?

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>>91825116
One more.
>happily ever after
Oh my...

>>91821347
It's amazing

Claremont buried that shit and no one touched it, even to retcon it, for like 20 years

And Bendis has to fucking bring it up for some awkward laffs

>>91820088
you sound like a huge faggot my guy

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It didn´t ruin a character only, but the entire comic book as well.

>>91825882
Please. Pnat had gone to shit long before this page.

>>91819622

sometimes i wonder what its like having a hot daughter

>>91819622
Ruined, or IMPROVED?

>>91822525
>>91822597

The original idea behind this is that it wasn't rape because it's the same as making some fall in love with you traditionally. You did something in the world and the result was someone loved you. When explained like that's not any different than traditionally. Her feelings were genuine even if they got there differently.

In fact it could be used to defend how fast Ms Marvel slept with him so she didn't look like a slut.

This is more about cultural/special differences in how a different being than a human falls in love and conducts courtship. How love works across beings of completely different nature than us really can't be judged or upheld to our standards.

>>91825882
Hatred.

>>91826114
Boost from Immortus's machines counts as drugging.
Jim Shooter wanted her GONE

>>91825116
Maybe, but he gets to use that as a weapon, recruiting his alt-selves to form an Avengers group of his own.

Fuck, Doctor Doom is apparently Kang now (no he isn't this is stupid), according to Marvel (who might actually think this).

>>91826224
>Boost from Immortus's machines counts as drugging.
It doesn't.

He's essentially not human, where he's from that's merely what you do for courtship as explained with his father.

He's some sort of Time Lord that existed within a realm of No-Time that gazed across infinity. Their minds are not like ours at all. Even talks about inherited powers and whatnot.

You might as well try to put a angel or God on trial for some of the things they've done.

>>91818884
Oh bash Reed in favor of hank. Go fuck yourself anon. Read a comic book for once in your lifetime. Susan was malice and a literal slap was the last plan Reed had to snap her back into her senses.

Surprisingly it worked. Reed isn't an abusive piece of shit in the story you dumbfuck.

>>91823177
Jim Shooter is the reason Marvel is still relevant to this day, asshat.

>>91826360
A being that is powerful without checks and balances is unamerican

>>91826360
Pretty much this, it's like when the Phoenix was destroying world and whatnot and people were saying it's evil had to be stopped...but it's literally just a mechanic of reality and a force that HAD to do what it did or the universe would go to shit like Galactus.

Thing of them as black holes on the move. They gotta eat and destroy for reality to function as its meant to.

>>91815318
Wait what? I love Mr. Freeze I missed this, what happened?

>>91826328
>Doctor Doom is apparently Kang now
But Doom is taller, has brown hair and eyes, has a deeper voice and looks nothing like Kang.

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>never seen again after that story
If that's not permanent damage, I don't know what is.

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>>91827035

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>>91826360
>might as well try to put a angel or God on trial for some of the things they've done
Are you implying we shouldn't?
not even God is exempt from justice.

>>91826787
You see in Snyder's glorious reimagining, Victor Freeze worked for Wayne Enterprises instead of Gothcorp. He was doing illegal tests with subject Nora, a woman whos been in cryogenetic status for decades, and during a scuffle the accident happens that transformers Victor. Thats right, not only is Bruce now the "evil businessman" who is linked to his creation, Fries HAS NEVER EVEN MET NORA, and has deluded himself into loving a random stranger. Oh, and he got a retarded makeover including a white mohawk and exposed arms that have mild freezing powers. Also apparently Victor killed his mom as a child by dumping her into a frozen lake. This is what Snyder thought made Victor more tragic

>>91827166
at least Rebirth should fix it
it would be easy to slip in that Victor and Nora's relationship was on of the things erased when Manhattan stole ten years

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>>91827166
Why can't they just let Mr. Freeze be cool?
Fuck you the pun was intended.

>>91823019
Why can't they just have his business fail because he spends too much time heroing or something? Why another OMD?

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>>91827576
what, and let Peter be responsible for what happens in his life? Nooo, its all Otto's fault that ParkerIndustries comes crashing down and btw Otto is a nazi now

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>>91827166
omfg.......why

>>91816875
>>91819499
what is this shit

>>91828236
its brian 'the writer?' bendis

>>91820088
>Idon't read much dc
>from what I've seen this is what's bad about nu-52
could you be anymore of a cocksucker?

>>91827740
Not gonna lie, I love the new Otto, handsome and fit. What I don't like is that everyone forgot he was only bad because of how he got his powers combined with the terrrilbe shit in his life.


Putting him in a new body would probably mean he'd be a good guy.

>>91828703
>he was only bad because of how he got his powers combined with the terrrilbe shit in his life.
he was bad because he chose to be bad. you can't just use fatalism to pass the buck

>>91828703
>>91827740
Is there going to be a HydrAvengers like the Dark Avengers again?
Daken needs to return to be NotWolverine again.

>>91828749
The tentacles fusing with his body made him evil.

>>91828749
Do you not rememebr how Otto got the tentacles? He was an alright guy, who got treated like shit but was still cheery, thenthe materials he was working on became unstable and ecploded. This melded the claws to his spinal column and fucked with his brain, with the radiation degenerating it slightly. Guy was in the hospital and went completely nuts when he came to and Spidey tried to get him help.

Basically shitty life+ radiation poisioning + mechanical arms being melted into his back.

>>91809376
Mary Jane >>> Gwen ''Slut'' Stacy

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This thread got me interested in Immortus enough to start reading about him on his wiki page
What an odd character

>>91830132
check out Avengers Forever

>>91809376
This is why Peter's reaction in Spider-Men confused me. Like, she cheated on you, man. Why the fuck are you crying over her counterpart?

>>91830282
They pussy out and try to make people forget about SIn Past but then again whenever they need attention to boost a sales they bring it up because controversial stuff is the only way Marvel under Quesada and the gang knows to gain people attention.

Marvel Comic is in a very fucked up state since 2000.

>most of the thread is cuckshit

Really activates my almonds.

>>91809376
I mean, onw thing is if they were in some kind of relationship, but she just jumped on the green cock. Fucking slut. Not even made him use a condom or come on her face.

>>91826328
actually in one of kangs first appearances he meets doctor doom and they decide not to harm each other in case they are each other or related

>>91809552
WOW kudos kid.

>>91810427
Angry anon you made me laugh. Please dont take it on gwen, blame the real whores Straczynski-quesada. she was just a dumb cumbucket

I wonder if the OMD deal undid this too...
And if so that means that OMD TOTALLY REDEEMS ITSELF!

Why are people so butthurt over Sins Past?
Gwen was always a thot basic bitch.

>>91828347
>'the writer?
hitler was also a writer. And yes, I went that far.

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>>91830591
Nope.
This is canon and it will stay canon until Marvel grows some balls and states that it isn't instead of just ignoring its existence.
Suffer little children, suffer little children~
It wasn't that bad of a mini actually, but not good enough to redeem Sins Past

>>91830591
>Is OMD undid this too
Quesada said NO...Pete&Gwen fucked up relationship is one of their card to gain people's attention.

>>91830592
Emma Stone, no body give a fuck about Gwen except oldfags until Emma play the role.

>>91830608
So was Donald Trump... *GASP!* and Plato too! Ooh! Spoopy!

Anyone else you want to add to the list of literates?

>>91829225
Never grasped why this bothered people so much.
I'm not sure if it was actually the writer injecting their political opinions, by all means source me that if it's the case, and not just spicing up their character with some but to me either way it would make complete sense if fable characters treated our real world issues the way we treat media and their stories.

After all they're virtually eternal and have no real stake in anything in our world.

>>91830645
>>91830680

Why do you have to kill my fragile little dreams like that?

>>91830709
Nah. I recall this being received poorly even before Amazing Spider-Man was a thing.

Digging up the dead to shit on them has never been something met favorably to new or old readers. Or shit like implying that Peter is actually May's child with his dad because she looked like MJ and his family are really messed up.
Just feels like a tacky attempt to make a simple story seem more complex with shock factor.

>>91830772
Well, Gwen is now famous and money make, the more reason to make it stay canon but ignore it and pull it when the sales drop...it's all for money, Senpai.

>>91830746
>Plato
You mean "Pluto" imbecile. Mickey's dog.
Trying to look cool and well read. please anon.

>>91830811
dwarf planets can't right, you idiot, they have nothing to hold the pen with

>>91830796
Yeah, it receive poorly when it come out because it is indeed very bad story but shit get worse and gain more attention after ASM Movie was a thing aka after Gwen is famous among casual.

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>>91810415
Bendis turned Wanda's powers from requiring effort and risk (you play Chthon Roulette when you use Chaos Magic, so it's not a blank cheque), to altering the universe with mere words and thoughts, a ridiculous degree of OPness.

Not only does Bendis dredge up Byrne's "crazy Wanda" meme which was so effectively used to denigrate her relationship with Vision, to the point Byrne's argument is echoed to this day, he has her become a total psycho because "muh babies" (aka lazy writing of female character), he then has her depower mutants, except the important ones, of course.

The combination of character assassination and the huge continuity train-wreck caused by Bendis's deranged retcons was the kicker in Wanda's case.

>>91830826
>dwarf planets
Take that back anon, its a planet, a real planet.

>>91814441
One could believe that Mr Preptime got a vasectomy or something, innit.

>>91810351
you say that like Superman has never murdered before.

>>91819851
I forgot how this was handled
Bishop tries to kill Hope because reasons and than Madrox killed him?
its been a long time since I read Messiah complex and I only read it for X-Factor