FCBD Secret Empire Ending

>>91795994
Man, twitter and tumblr are going to be piiiiiiissed. I love it.

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>>91795994
>When fans are angry, we're selling comics.

>Nazis
Worthy
>Cancer patients
Less worthy
>A bit of admiration
ABSOLUTELY UNWORTHY.JPG

>>91795994
>Tempest was Hydra all along

Odin was right to imprison it

>>91795994
Anyone have the full comic?

>>91795994
>Nazi Facists are more worthy and better than women (especially ones with cancer)

>>91796293
Well women are inferior.

Game fucking over. Holy shit, he's doubling down. This is gonna be a catastrophe.

>>91796328
'kay, /r9k/

>>91796328
Nick Spencer pls go. Shouldn't you be busy reading Mein Kampf?

>>91796376
He's too busy deciding comics should be political after spending weeks saying comics aren't political

>>91795994
This shit is simple hilarious... I actually enjoy HidraCap and #0 was fun but oh man this dude is simple retarded!
I only accept this shit if is Ultimate's Steve

They say that Bottom is outselling SE, this gonna be so fun.

>>91795994
So I havent kept up with modern Marvel, is Cap retconned to be a Nazi or is this all a ruse to destroy HYDRA from within?

As if the Norse gods needed more Nazi connections.

>>91795994
>And Jason Aaron came in his pants.

Man you cannot be ignorant of the kind of thing you're channeling there. This just gives more ammo to the HYDRA-Nazi argument.

>>91796437
He is Hydra but not a Nazi with Marvel trying really hard to disconnect Hydra with the Nazis by saying that Hydra is a mythical organisation that had Red Skull took over with the Germans.

So yes bad but not nazi.

>>91796437
Cap got in-universe retconned into a nazi by a living cosmic cube.

>>91796437
Hydra used a cosmic cube to make it so that that captain America was always a nazi.

>>91796437
Cosmic Cube girl retconned that Cap was a Hydra plant all along, and that the Nazis were on the verge of winning the war. The Allies used their own cube to rewrite reality in their favor.

>>91796455
Right? I'm just fucking keking at the whole thing.

Also even nuSteve has outright murdered Jack Flag and Bucky. How the fuck is he worthy, and crisis-of-confidence Thor isn't? Is the hammer going to be this "you're worthy if you believe it" thing now?

We already knew but it's good to see it

I'm glad Spencer is just in full troll mode and telling his story without letting haters get to him.

>>91796437
Turned into Hydra by a living Cosmic Cube piece in the shape of an annoying little girl. Believes he was always Hydra and that the Allies lost WW2 and cheated by using a Cosmic Cube to alter reality so the Axis lost.

people dont get that the storm inside of the hammer doesnt care about hydra or anything if your worthy then your worthy end of story

>>91796479
Marvel knows what they're doing. Milking the outrage for all its worth.

>>91796437
retconned into being Hydra which Spencer is making very clear is not Nazis while including blatant Nazi imagery

>>91796497
>He is Hydra but not a Nazi with Marvel trying really hard to disconnect Hydra with the Nazis by saying that Hydra is a mythical organisation that had Red Skull took over with the Germans.

Except in their Cinematic Universe, with Agents of Shield really trying to force it home that Hydra are always Nazis and will always be Nazis.

It's only the comics trying to say Hydra is not a Nazi thing.

>>91796527
Bucky deserved it for killing Cap's husbando's dad

I've been out of the loop on the Hydra Cap thing. Can I get a TL;DR?

>>91796527
Thor would be worthy now, he just doesn't HABEEB to try it.

>Cap isn't a Nazi
>BTW here he is rounding up minorities into camps, wearing Hugo Boss, chasing defectors through the streets and embracing the legacy of Norse mythology
Absolute madman. Spencer has just decided to go down in flames IMO.

>marvel doesn't care about making good comics, only getting sales via outrage
>/co/ doesn't care about good comics, only making sjws mad

No wonder comics are awful nowadays.

>>IN THE NEXT ISSUE OF SECRET EMPIRE
>>Cap "Sorry Wiccan, but it's the gas chamber for you"
>>Wiccan "Oy Vey! How much will that run up the gas bill?"
>>Nick Spencer "Get it? Cause it's what Trump is doing"

>>91795994
Wow.
Really? Nazi Steve is worthy of the Hammer?

>>91796592
Nobody cares about AoS.

>>91796527
Is Thor still unworthy? When was the last time he even tried?

>>91796639
Shouldn't he be worshipping an ancient octopus god?

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I get that HYDRA was a separate entity from the Nazi's and are basically a rip off of SPECTER/COBRA, but considering their ties with the 3rd Reich and Cap now being affiliated with them with cosmic cube fuckery, he shouldnt be worthy. This is just another attempt at pissing off readers, only this time on the other side of the spectrum

>>91796662
I assume there will be an explanation or hammer retcon. I think this is Nick Spencer trying to do like that Doom moment in Wakanda and prove HydraCap is genuinely still a good guy

>>91796679
I think he's fucking her.

>>91796687
Worthy is a meme

>>91796579
But it's not actually working, is the thing.

>>91796606
>Cap was old and getting his ass kicked, was saved and de-aged by a sentient cosmic cube.
>Cosmic cube was actually fooled by the red skull into thinking Hydra was the good guys, rewrote Cap's entire history so that he was a member of hydra this whole time (whether this actually now happened in 616 or she just merged two universes together isn't exactly clear)
>Cap has now set up a big trap to take over the USA and it's currently in motion.

>>91796687
He's also like just murdered a bunch of ordinary Americans, heroes, innocents in the last few issues of his book(s). There's no way he's worthy by any reasonable standard.

>>91795994
>Nazis = Worthy
>Fighting cancer = Worthy but somehow less worthy than being a Nazi
>Self-doubt over the importance of Gods = NOT WORTHY

For an event that swears that it's not about Nazis, it's certainly a good impression of their propaganda

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Remember when the hammer was for the most Worthy?

>>91796642
HydraCap has been good though

>>91796727
I feel like Spencer is trying to write a kinda clever subversion thing here but is just utterly fucking up how it's come across.

>>91795994
I'm not sure why everyone is all in a huff about this. Even if he's Hydra, he's still Steve Rogers and Steve has always been worthy. Captain Hydra is ruthless, but he's not "evil."

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>>91796729

>>91796729
11/10 page

>>91796738
I've enjoyed it primarily for some of the character rehab it's done. I do roll my eyes at the hammer moment though, the hammer is actually more an outright sign of goodness than the Cap mantle is.

>>91796729
Yes, which is why people are upset at this Nazi fanfiction

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>>91796765

>>91796687
Anon, if the whor-vs-odinson situation didn't prove to you that hammer-worthiness is a steaming memeturd, I don't know what to tell you.

>>91796727
The event hasn't even really started quite yet. Might be part of a plan.

>>91796763
no, Captain Hydra is objectively evil
>tossed Jack Flag out of a plane
>then shut off his life support
>left the Ultimates and pals to die out in space

>>91796738
Not really

>>91796687
What makes someone worthy of Mjolnir? Seriously, they never explain that.

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>>91795994

wow. I usually disagre with /co/ group think on basically every issue, but at this point it's clear that

1.) Marvel has no plan beyond "shock value gets sales" and " Event Fatigue isn't real"
2.) Nick spencer has a point, but isn't capable of writing it coherently.

This is just stupid. I'm not butthurt, or even angry, but it just proves to me that I have no reason to start buying marvel comics. I just don't see the point in these stories.

>>91796763
He murdered Jack Flag. He arranged for the murder of Bucky and various members of the Thunderbolts. He murdered Red Ghost and his apes to stage an alien invasion of Earth. He's arranged for the murder and mind control of hundreds if not thousands of soldiers and S.H.I.E.L.D. agents. He's sacrificed dozens of Earth's superheroes to the alien invasion he arranged.

He is evil.

>>91795994
>Whor and Cap can lift the hammer
This confirms that Mjolnir is a feminazi

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>>91796793
You know what? Thats fair. "Worthy" is subjective bullshit depending on the writer anyway. However, given Caps recent actions its still a questionable creative decision. Jane being Thor is still bullshit though

>>91796803
>intentionally sets up an alien invasion to keep the heavy hitters of the Ultimates trapped out in space

>>91796721
Thanks.

They'll just reset to the status quo before the year is over.

>>91796527
>has outright murdered Jack Flag and Bucky
No he hasn't. He put Jack Flagg into a coma which he would have recovered from had they not pulled his plugs prematurely. He was killed by the doctors.

As for Bucky, Steve did not lay a finger on him. All he did was tell Zemo that he wouldn't stop him. Had Bucky not been incompetent, then he wouldn't have gotten captured by Zemo. Zemo was the one that killed Bucky and Steve didn't help him with that, he just didn't get in his way.

>>91796817

Correction

Nick spencer *thinks* he has a point but isn't capable of writing it coherently

>>91796727
It's an ancient Norse hammer. Guys were fucking brutal and probably would not approve of someone who got triggered over "Gor was right".

>>91796829
Grade-A post, anon

>>91796763
How is he not evil lol

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>>91796727
not a nazi

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>>91796698
This is the only fucking I'm interested on.

>>91796527
It is entirely possible, and in fact pretty likely, that Thor is currently worthy. He hasn't tried to lift Mjolnir since shortly after he lost.

>>91796816
1) Being worthy of Mjolnir
2) That's it

>>91796817
I'm still reading/buying the Marvel comics I think are good but yeah, I'm in exactly the same place as you for the most part.

I can honestly see this being the Marvel pivot >>91796579 imagines.

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>>91796876
Nick Spencer says one thing then does another

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>>91796829

>>91796844
>He put Jack Flagg into a coma which he would have recovered from had they not pulled his plugs prematurely. He was killed by the doctors.
kek

fuck off

>>91796816
Its whatever the writer wants it to be. But to clarify, mjolnir has no qualms with killing depending on circumstances. After all, Thor is a warrior

>>91796765
>>91796729
Post the following pages.

Busiek made it so the hammer was just for Thor but it let others pick it up only in times of need, once the danger was over it wouldn't let anyone but Thor pick it up.

>>91796851
>It's an ancient Norse hammer
No, it's a hammer made specifically for Thor that he was only able to lift when he fully embraced his destiny and responsibility as a great hero.

>>91796844
I don't think you understand why doctors and families take coma patients off of life support

They're brain dead Jim

>>91795994
HAIL

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>>91796876
>not a nazi

>>91796844
he walked into that room with the intention of killing Jack. He was saved from doing it by narrative contrivance because Spencer is still trying to desperately push the idea that Steve isn't a bad guy and that Hydra isn't Nazis.

>>91796900
inhumans are a menace so its fine

>>91796816
If I remember correctly, they have to have the spirit of a warrior. The DC crossover had Superman holding it, but only because Odin let him. Superman could if he was willing to kill.

>>91796953
This is not right.

>>91796953
But he's a Norse god. Their definition a great hero is probably different than ours

>>91796687
The cosmic cube could have just made it so Cap was automatically worthy when she made him the "best possible" Cap regardless of what he thinks does or did.

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>>91795994
That's better.

>>91796844
I still think the dead Jack Flag is a ruse, like what a coincidence Jack was recovering but when Steve is close to killing Jack suddenly Free Spirit is all "We're going to put him out of his misery!"

Or maybe you're right, he's dead and Spencer is just a hack.

>>91796988
Or this dumb ass shit.

>>91796953
And now that's been retconned to Mjolnir being originally created as a prison for the Godstorm, and wasn't created as a test of Thor's worthiness until after the fact.

>>91797006
He's a Marvel comic book Norse god. Go read Thor comics.

>>91796527
How many frost giant skulls do you think Thor has cracked open?

>>91797013
wtf i love nazis now

>>91797017
They had a funeral for him, anon. He's dead.

>>91796368
>>91796376

No it's reality. It's a male dominated world. Only thing helping women is legislation.

Vast majority of ceos are males and billionaries. Vast majority of politicans are male.

>>91795994
I don't understand the context behind this scene. What's going on?

>>91797031
Are Frost Giants the moral equivalent of all of Earth's other superheroes?

>>91797048
To be fair they had a funeral for Sunspot too and that actually was a ruse

>>91797061
JaneThor dropped Mjolnir fighting Steve and his Hydra team, Steve picked it up

>>91795994
I hope this means my theory that Mjolneir was taken over by something else was right. The whole fem-Thor series kept dropping hints like how the hammer started acting on its own, obeying orders, and even 'laughing' in fem-Thor's head when she was fighting Odin.

>>91797061
steve reveals hes hydra Jane is shocked drops her hammer and he picks it up

>>91797083
Oh man, this is going to be some shitshow.

>>91796687
>COBRA
Other way around. Cobra is a Hydra pastiche. G.I. Joe was originally going to be a SHIELD series and toyline but they nixed that idea so they wouldn't have to share the rights with Marvel.

>>91797080
>USAvengers is going to be keikaku vs keikaku
once again Ewing will be the best part of a shit event

>>91796579
Bestseller list, which surveys retailers on actual sales to customers, has Secret Empire at 4th place getting BTFO by Batman and Superman.

>>>91791920

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Steve is droping the best rap album of 2017

>>91795994

Jesus fucking Christ, Marvel. WTF ARE YOU DOING?!

>>91796455
Why are there any connections between Norse Gods and Nazis? Odin seems like the kind of guy who would mislead the German people into war out of some complicated gambit to get them to Valhalla to serve his interests.

>>91797090
That might well be it but that is not going to come across to 90% of the people looking at this.

>>91797130
The BC bestseller list is worthless garbage from less than a dozen retailers.

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Out of curiosity, would any of you actually join HYDRA?

>>91797109
No, the one were Supes can't pick up the hammer anymore

>>91796376
Hitler supported feminism. Socialism and abortion too. Stuff the right wing don't.

>>91797155
Marvel Odin =/= mythological Odin. This should not be hard to understand.

>>91797130
Which surveys like ~8 retailers whose owners are friends with Rich. Not exactly a large enough sample to use for all retailers. That's not to say that Batman and Superman won't outsell Secret Empire, but citing the BleedingCuck "sales" reports as anything more than an excuse to do one thread worth of shitposting every week is just stupid.

>>91795994
This is going to be fun

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>>91795994
>Why write good stories to get fans to buy it when you can just do controversial retarded nonsense?

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>>91797173
Ah, I found what you meant

>>91797163
Yes, if they took over the world. No if they didn't. I'd probably just be some paperwork/accounting/research guy though. Not fit enough to be in the field and all.

>>91797029
Wasn't the entire reason that Walter simonson created beta ray bill was that you need to have a why cap or superman couldn't wield it

>>91797163
Nice try, Hydra intern. We all know it's just a pyramid scheme.

>>91797159
it's still the only source of data we have for how well the comics are actually selling in stores

>>91797059
Do you really hold that belief?

>Implying "Character Assassination" is real

Iron Man has been revealed to have been an agent for Kang the whole time, instigated laws that forced registration of all superhero types or they would be arrested, and made a cyborg clone of Thor as a bio-weapon. Spider-Man has killed multiple people he was trying to save, abandoned an alien being who was only seeking friendship as soon at it revealed it was alive, and got Mestipho to retcon his marriage.
None of these matter later on.

>>91797163
Normally? No. With Steve running the show? Absolutely. I mean, he's Captain America. I trust him to do the right thing more than those fatcat politicians in Hollywood.

>>91797209
One of the cool things about Thor was the enchantment around Mjolnir and the original inscription on it. So I thought, well that means someone else can pick up this hammer and get this power, if they're worthy! So since then, some other big characters, people's favorites, have picked up the hammer, Captain America, Superman, whoever. But at this point, no one had ever picked up the hammer. I liked the idea of Cap walking to the bathroom and seeing it, and grabbing and just tugging, not being able to. So this had to be someone new. This is the most powerful weapon of the Norse gods. This hammer is a killing weapon. It's used to kill Frost Giants and others. So, Superman couldn't pick it up, cause he's never going to kill anyone, and the hammer knows that. Captain America, he's too patriotic. He's too much a symbol of America to be chosen by this Norse artifact. So he couldn't get it. So I created Bill because he's noble, and he's designed to kill. He's got a great purpose as a warrior, and also the noble ability. That makes him "worthy" whatever that may be.

I've seen people get triggered by this event, and people who love it.

This guy takes the cake though

>https://captain-mumblr.tumblr.com/post/159909952246/hydracapsamcapsecret-empirenick-spencer

>>91796498
So there's an image of Cap with a swastika? Or declaring himself a nazi or praising Nazi ideas? I thought he was just Hydra.

>>91797226
Tony Stark is literally, L I T E R A L L Y the worst example you could have chosen. OMD is a distant second.

>>91797155
The nazis adopted Pagan and Norse iconography in their attempt to develop an aryan mythology. It was their attempt to develop a cultural meme that would motivate and embolden the German people. That it was a fiction made up of lies made no nevermind to them.

>>91797266
He is not a nazi, but he's doing all the shit that makes people dislike Nazis.

>>91795994
The art is gorgeous.

>>91797252
anon I know that's just your tumblr

>>91796527
Killing people doesn't make you unworthy.

Also Mjolnir is sentient and decides its own criteria for worthiness.

>>91797008

Only thing that makes sense.

>>91797252
I'm not going to read that shit because of the awful layout but I agree about the comics being incredibly unimportant vs. real world issues.

At the same time this hammer twist reads like Spencer going all-out to fuck with the haters and that never reads well (Superboy Prime excepted).

>>91797243
So it works because his idea of Hydra is immortal collective that pulls from the strength of everyone, which would include Thor's people, and because he is determined to use lethal force when needed?

>>91797284
Their symbol was taken from Native American culture too. Funny story, in grade school art class we we're doing an art show around NA culture, we pulled a swastika from a book and started painting it, teacher subtly tried to get us to change it. Never realized it until years later

>>91797205
I've been looking for that page, thanks!

>>91796687
Why do you say that ties to Nazism cause unworthiness?

>>91797243
OK, so if we use Simonson's view of worthiness as the baseline (which we should because it's fucking Simonson), then worthiness basically comes down to being a Noble Warrior with a Purpose that's willing to kill to that end if necessary but stays true to his heart kinda deal.

So the only point of contention for Steve would be if he's "noble" even as Captain Hydra. Considering he genuinely thinks what he's doing is right and will make the world a better place, and all the killing he does is an ends justify the means type deal, I could see why he would be worthy of mjolnir. Likewise, I could see why Thor would have lost his worthiness from Fury's whisper. Fury filled Thor with doubt, and by doing that made him question his purpose.

So with that in mind, Thor losing his worthiness despite Captain Hydra being worthy makes sense. What doesn't make sense is what in the ever loving fuck makes Jane Foster worthy.

>>91796037
I can't wait anon

>>91797204
Implying?

>>91796497
Except AoS, which reaches 25x more actual viewers than SE copies that will be printed to say nothing of actually sold, is currently in the middle of a "Hydra are totally Nazis guys! Anything else they tell you is propaganda!" storyline as well. It's a complete clusterfuck.

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When does this release? I want to be ready for the shitstorm.

>>91797378
Warped morals mostly.

>>91797416
>FCBD

>>91797204
But if SJWs will hate it, that means the story is good!

>>91795994
>Secret Empire Ending Anonymous

Is this a spoiler from the final issue or what?

>>91797386
>lies to his "friends"
>murders an ally in cold blood
>engineers an alien invasion
>leaves people to die a horrible death in space
he's not noble

Has any event ever made people as buttmad as Secret Empire has?

>>91797434
FCBD

>>91797386
Have you read Simonson Thor?

>>91797434
No it's the ending to the Free Comic Book Day issue

>>91797449
So did you come from /pol/ or something because Civil War II JUST happened

>>91797155
Nazis are nuts who think they are all (specifically anyone who is a nazi) descended from an ancient race of "Aryans" (unrelated to the historical invaders of northern india) , and that the "aryans" were a super race of golden haired blue eyed perfect people who were responsible for all civilization throughout history ( from africa to atlantis), the true "indo european ancestor race", who worshiped "the real gods" (a shitty a tempt at a historical reconstruction of the ancient indo european pantheon mainly based on the norse gods and indian/nepalese/himalean/central asian mysticism) coming from an ancient island homeland called Thule, which is what the continent under the Antarctic ice used to be.

Hitler got gassed in WW1 and spent a lot of time on crystal meth.

Nazis are as bad as true Calvinists I tell you.

Has there ever been a Marvel event that wasnt spoiled?

>>91797386
Maybe wanting to die in battle gives buffs to your worthiness score.

>>91797440
Pretty sure besides from "murders an ally in cold blood" those are also things Thor has done at some point.

>>91797440
I don't think any of the people outside the Wall could die just for being on space.

>>91796376
The Nazi party was literally left-wing.

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>>91797386
Jason Arron gave up on making sense a while ago.

>>91797508
Are you retarded?

>>91797371
I'll have to look it up, but I think I read somewhere that Hitler wanted to adopt Native Americans as aryans in the hopes that they would instigate violence in the American homeland. Not that he would have placed much faith in it. If he had succeeded in the war, I'm pretty sure Hitler would have turned on the Japanese eventually

>>91797501
several of them can't breathe in space and will eventually run out of air and most of them still have biological needs

>>91797501
They're injured and will probably get torn apart and eaten by the next wave of Chitauri

>>91797416
Where is this from? I want to fap to it.

>>91797497
Not really. I mean the Beta Ray Bill story is in direct opposition to the other parts of that.

>>91796821
>Killing my enemies in a time of war is evil
>Killing terrorist superscientists and repurposing their stuff for better use is evil
>Subduing my enemies in a time of war is evil
>Preventing access to powerful human weapons by my enemies in a time of war is evil
That's pretty fucking unamerican of you.

>>91797226

Scarlet Witch

>>91797474
Civil War II was shit but it didn't make people REEEEEEEEEEEEE like Secret Empire.

CWII was just shit and made everyone groan and upset but in no way did it make people wanting Bendis' blood on their hands (well outside from /co/) or had comic stores trying to boycott Bendis or whatever.

>>91797479
No because they have disgruntled employees and people on the inside willing to fuck them over.

>>91797285
Anon, people may hate fascism but the reason people despite Nazis in particular isn't because they're fascist. It's because of their whole genetic purity, master-race, gas the kikes, etc. approach to fascism.

Captain Hydra is a fascist for sure. There's no debating that. But he's not a racist. Not a sexist. Not a bigot. Not a supremacist. And neither is Hydra. Hydra is equal opportunity fascism. They don't seek to cleanse the world of those unfit for their society, they merely want to rule it because they see strong leadership as key to a strong society.

>>91797555
>Declaring War on America

>>91797476
>>91797284
>>91797155

Yeah they only believe this because because hitlers propoganda guys jumped on one of the popular german occult bandwagons at the time, its unclear if they actually believed this outside of using it as "secret inner mysteries" material to promote feelings of inclusiveness and germanic brotherhood and shit.

Its just like pol and kek basically. Same shit all over again.

>>91797578
see
>>91796900

>>91797315
This

When Beta Ray Bill started killing off planets so that Galactus couldn't eat them he did it multiple times before his hammer decided he'd become unworthy

If mjolnir thinks Steve is acting nobly then he's good to go

>>91797191
Mythological Odin is much better than Comic Book YHVH dressed in Norse Armor.

>>91797578
>They don't seek to cleanse the world of those unfit for their society
Wasn't that Zemo's plot in Remender's Captain America just before Secret Wars? Sterilize everyone

What is it about Thor's hammer that just pisses people off?

>>91797607
Irrelevant.

>>91796900
>Only Nazis ever forced a minority into concentration camps

>>91797594
They continued the work of the Thule Society in collecting artifacts and icons, but I doubt it was belief as much as it was propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society

>>91797608
Zemo was going through a phase.

>>91797159
>>91797193
>Everyone saying The Button is destroying everything in its path and SE is okay but lower than typical Marvel events.
>Well we won't really know the sales and even though Rich is a Marvel dicksucker he's biased against them.
That damage control.

>>91797596
That was the future that he saw when Minority Report man skipped to the future. If that is the future that he is aiming for, the future that Red Skull was aiming for, or anything else is never stated, only that he focused on gathering intel while everyone was freaking out over seeing a dead Captain America.

>>91797613
Feel free to go shipost in one of the 9000 Rick and Morty/Samurai Jack threads if you don't want to read a comic.

>>91797629
I think this issue will be higher only because I think it's in a lootcrate.

>>91797637
that's literally a preview of Secret Empire #1 you tard

>>91797637
>If that is the future that he is aiming for, the future that Red Skull was aiming for, or anything else is never stated
But it's clearly implied.

>>91795994
Not angry, just weary.

Marvel's only genuinely good stuff dies an early death nowadays.

By this time next year, stupid assholes will be demanding Steve Rogers be Hydra Capthor again, and permanently.

>>91797596
I think what the story here is trying to get at is that political movements like this always have the worst extremists latching onto it and making it their own, same way the old Hydra got fucked up with the Reich the first time.

I feel like Spencer is trying to say that the people who voted for Trump aren't all bad but they're now in bed with some people who are really bad. The message just isn't handled very articulately.

>>91796432
> HYDRA Cap lifting Thor's hammer (Mind you, Aaron has already ruined the whole "worthy" concept).

> Zemo using the Darkhold with seemingly no consequence (Zemo, being a smart guy, surely would have one of his underlings use it instead to avoid being enslaved).

Bendis levels of attention to detail here.

>>91797013
Inb4 impaled on Miles' BBC

>>91797657
The issue came out is also the #0, and the #1 is not out yet.

>>91796876
>Secret Warriors #1 is a new book launching out of the event. Wil Moss discussed the team and how they’ve come to this conflict and how the book starts after Secret Empire has already begun. The team grows out of the fact that Hydra is rounding up Inhumans into camps. The Secret Warriors will go all over the country in their effort to fight back. “It’s the only Secret Empire book with dinosaurs eating people,” noted D’Lando. The team will be fighting Mr. Hyde, Quake’s father, in issue #4.
>The team grows out of the fact that Hydra is rounding up Inhumans into camps
>rounding up Inhumans into camps
>just because they like putting minorities into camps, doesn't mean they are Nazis!!!
Ahuh, suuuuuuuuuuuure.

>>91797613
Be able to wield it implies you are a very morally good person. Captain Hydra murdered Bucky like an issue ago. Marvel is shitty fanfiction and spending any money on it is a mistake

>>91797675
Chthon is his boyfriend's stepmom's dance partner. He should be fine.

>>91797629
It was pretty easy to assume this would happen anyway. I like HydraCap a lot, but the market doesn't. This is why I don't understand Marvel making it into such a big event. Seemed like setting it up for failure. Should have been smaller like Standoff, IvX, Monsters Unleashed, etc.

>>91797629
Don't you have more clickbait to shill, Rich?

>>91797658
That's from Civil War II: The Oath. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>91797701
Inhumans dont matter their just important cause fox owns the rights for x-men they are literal who characters. so good on them i hope they kill a bunch off

>>91797163
I'll work for anyone who will fucking hire me, senpai.

>>91797650
I was just wondering about it, because it seems like every time some one other that Thor is shown with it everyone gets all pissy. Even back with Beta Ray Bill fans were throwing fits.

>>91797550
no idea. Saved it today.

Looks like one of the woody allen movies she made.

God, she must have sucked him off dozens of times.

>>91796816
Not really, but contextually, there's clearly an element of heroic duty to it- You gotta be willing to fight, but to fight in order to save people.
Fighting to get selfishly get yourself power, or to quell dissent make you less worthy.

>>91797252
As a Kirby fan this breaks my heart, for America to so vehemently despise Captain America.

When the fuck did people start wishing the worst for HEROES? What happened to good guys vs bad guys?

>>91797701
Inhumans don't count as people.

>>91797701

>just because they like putting minorities into camps, doesn't mean they are Nazis!!!

americans indulged in human camps too

Read the issue

It's hype, especially due to Sorrentino's art/paneling.

Miles is relieved to have the future prediction be justified.

>>91797790
when the good guys started being Nazis

>>91797215
I don't. Facts and reality do.

Another thing is far more men invented stuff comparared to women. Far more men sports do better money wise.

I also don't hold women in high regard. Majority of white women voted in hitler comparred to men in Germany, they're the major reason why all those people died in camps to me.

Some of those women should had be sent to trials for death sentences. Not just the army men doing the work they had to do.

Women also the reason why the decline in marriage in Usa and degeneracy. Raising awful children in Usa. Single moms on welfare.

Another thing is..in Stan Lees old work. He didn't want people to be racists or ableist. But he never really cared about women equality in his work. Early Sue Storm was a damsel in distress always getting shat on powerwise.

I'm also aware Black Widow was only written strong to mock soviet outrageous "manly"women.

So will Alonzo, Quesada and Brevoort finally be fired after this or after Legacy flops? I mean, they've successfully alienated all their long term fans and now have likely massively turned off their currently targetted fans.

>>91797701
>>rounding up Inhumans into camps

It's a quarantine. The people exposed to those clouds are sick! They've been infected with an alien mutagenic disease, and it's for the safety of the rest of the world that they be put away for treatment.

>>91797815
I never even considered Japanese Internment

>>91797835
But why turn a good character into a Nazi and then use it to laugh at those who believed in him?

>>91796592
In the MCU, Hydra aren't Nazis but they are racist as shit in the Framework for some reason.

Red Skull wasn't a racist in the MCU; he actually thought Hitler was an idiot for believing that the Master Race would be born instead of created through science.

>>91797865
shock value

I want to believe that Nova died for this.

>>91797842
>>91797842
If either of them flop, the only way I could see them still at Marvel is that they're holding Stan Lee's immortal soul hostage.

>>91797838

You are the most fragile man I've seen on /co/ in a while, anon, and that's saying something

>>91796293

Wait are we insinuating that's NOT true?

>>91797838
Most of the shit you say seems to me liek it could be turned into a “chicken or the egg” thing.

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>>91797163
>implying our world's version of Hydra isn't /pol/

PRAISE KEK

>>91795994
So wait what is the significance of this? I thought capt america was almost good enough to wield the hammer anyways...

>>91797181
>Woman's world is her husband, her family, her children and her home. We do not find it right when she presses into the world of men.
Direct Hitler quote.
(You).

>>91797815
This, Nazis weren't the only ones who did it.

Pretty sure some leftist Governments also rounded up people at some points in history.

>>91797914
well he's a Nazi right now so

>>91797842
No, they swear their allegiance to Ike. You start at the top, and go down from there.

>>91797923
French Revolution had loads of people being executed for existing.

Where's Scananon?

>>91797838
Kek you still won't get laid.

>>91797934
He's not a Nazi. He killed Red Skull because of Nazi-ism.

He is a fascist though.

>>91797914
This isn't Captain America. It's Captain Hydra. It means that even after being turned into a HYDRA agent and doing horrible acts to set up a fascist government under his rule, he's still worthy.

>>91796527
Look, the hammer is fucking stupid, it thought a woman who was too stupid to take free, risk free, cancer treatment was worthy. Or maybe it's smart and it's just trying to kill her slowly because she's a stupid whore and deserves it.

>>91797955
He told us about this a while ago >>91642426

>>91797959
See >>91796900 >>91797701

>>91797842
Quesada is pretty much gone or doing stuff outside the comics although I wouldn't mind if he got kicked out.

Alonso and Brevoort definitely need to get kicked out, bring back Shooter and watch the quality go up.

>>91797938
Ike doesn't swear allegiance to them tho.

>>91798014
I don't see how this disproves what I said. Those are fascist acts but the character has explicitly still fought against Nazi-ism.

>>91797972
Anon its supreme leader Herr Rogers now

> Tony demonized in Civil War
> Cap demonized in Secret Empire

In the MCU Cap Civil War...

Tony and Cap are portrayed as flawed human beings, not turned into monsters for shock effect.

>>91798043
>he's not a Nazi
>does Nazi things

>>91798074
it's a square and a rectangle thing anon

>>91798098
>putting people in concentration camps because of their race
that's where it stops being fascist and starts being Nazi

>>91798014
See >>91797815 >>91797863
>>91797946

I don't think anyone in current Hydra gives a shit about National Socialism, they just want power and order.

>>91798062
u mean MCU are gary sue cant do anything wrong shocker

>>91797147
Where did this pop up from?

>>91798146
FCBD issue as well

>>91798123
but it literally isn't, you should read the book m8

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>>91795994
Further proof that it was not Thor that was unworthy but 616 Mjolnir itself that was unworthy. Hence why unworthy folks such as Jane Foster and Hydra Cap were capable of wielding it.

>>91797163
How's their dental plan?

>>91798146
scanbro posted it

>>91797790
Good guys are dead... Bad guys are dead...
Navelgazing Postmodernism killed them both

>>91798062
Tony got saved after RDJ played him in a succesful movie, now he can't do no wrong.

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>>91797371
Wrong Indians, chappy. Swastikas were a subcontinental thing and were adopted as a good luck charm by early pilots.

>>91798156
I've read the book. Nick Spencer is going to great lengths to distance Hydra from the Nazis, while still including Nazi imagery in Hydra's actions. He's trying to have it both ways and people are rightly calling him out for it.

I rather read more Nova fighting Cancermonsters.

Fuck you Marvel.

>>91798179
Where?

I'm not one for restricting of content and I think this story is totally in line with comic book history but man Marvel could and should have handled the promotion of this so much better.

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>>91797583
>Fuck American pride! Fuck the media! FUCK ALL OF IT! America is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes, a new America will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they'll make America great again!

Revolting against a corrupt regime is the most American act possible. It's literally the reason the country exists.

>>91798209
here >>91642730

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>>91798214
They saw that it made them trend on twitter and get a bunch of headlines so they're doubling down on what made people upset. I feel like this will be the turn where people say enough and just don't buy it.

Which is a shame because it is a pretty entertaining story outside of the bullshit.

>>91798306
>this will be the turn where people say enough
that was Civil War 2

>>91797701
Would it completely blow your mind if I told you that America detained Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during the second World War?

>>91795994
All we need is him killing a nigger with it to complete this dumpster fire. Good thing Falcon is still available for a lynching.

>>91798306
This is fucked up and is now a boon to why I stopped reading capeshit.

This is twisted behavior.

>>91798325
Worse than that though. I think you see 70k issues by like #4.

Fuck this event is so long too.

>>91798161
We already knew Jane "I don't want a magic cure" Foster was unworthy long before this leak.

>>91798306
According to rumors on BC, Secret Empire is suppose to be """the last hooray""" for this kind of political storytelling (at least for a little while). Which makes sense since Nick has been constantly on twitter shilling/defending it and it's politics.
Marvel doesn't care about Sales right now and are just waiting for Legacy to start.

>>91797476
This is some serious Tumblr history. Read more you idiot, you are confusing nordicism, aryanism and Nazi propaganda, those are not the same. And Reminder that Aryan and indoeurpean are synonymous for everyone but Anglo Cucks. You are as stupid as any nordicist. The Greek and Nordic pantheon are Aryan culture even if that triggers you.

>>91798436
found /pol/

>>91797536
>>91797549
They can escape into another planet also the Guardians have a ship.

>>91798452
I thought the whole thing with Guardians right now was that they were stuck on Earth after Civil War 2

>>91798449
not an argument

>>91797564
BENDIS!!!!!!!

>>91798419
This is totally going to cancerize Legacy though.

>>91798487
found /pol/

>>91798419
So is this going to sell worse than Convergence?

>>91798502
not an argument

>>91798473
That story ended, along with Bendis's run, thank the lord.

It must suck to be a Marvel creator these days. The coloring and lettering technology has never been better. The artwork, depending on your tastes, and the intended audience, is generally good to great. The stories and concept tweaks are daring and bold and fresh.
But the marketing department has turned the autistic audience against the brand. Employees arguing with readers online, or expressing views in public unrelated to selling comic books, like talking politics, has divided the readership. Public statements from management has done the same.
The damage these employees and the marketing department has done is so severe that no one is judging the stories based on their own merits. Instead people go online and debate the reception of the marketings message and intentions rather than the actual stories. readers argue over PC instead of whether or not the current stories are entertaining. People argue over changes the company has made, as if we have never seen characters go through changes, even drastic changes before. Why? The twitters and facebooks and the guys in marketing that make PC part of their sales pitches.
Should marvel require every single creator and editor to abstain from all social media during the course of their contracts and hire some marketing people that know how to sell these iconic characters without pandering to peoples social politics? I say yes because from what i have seen, regardless of any criticisms i have for marvel, a lot of what we argue about has actually been pretty good stuff.
Hydracap is the most compelling the character has been in many many years for example.
Unfortunately, an internet full of change-resistant autists and a company filled with people too dumb to stay off the internet is ruining the company.

>>91798234
Scanbro is such a based anon. If I knew who he is I would invite him a beer or something.

>>91797890
No im not you fucking faggot.

>>91797915

Wrong.


>>91797958
Typical shit bag answer. Women are still garbage. Women get used by right wing men anyway lol. While democrat cucks like u gotta wife up the sluts.

Women= Useless human garbage. Even virgin tesla has more worth than any female in history.

>>91797838
Nice sources

>>91798540
>Hydracap is the most compelling the character has been in many many years for example.
Spencer plz

>>91798540
It's because the authors don't have a semblance of storytelling ability.

They see characters as mouthpieces for their ideals, lacking all theme and nuance.

In the age of twitter, a writer believes in everything his 'good' characters say on the page, at all times. These are characters, not an extension of their political ideology.

>>91798452
America Chavez could probably teleport them somewhere

>>91798518
But that Bendis ending takes place at some unknown time, because the Nova Corps are alive and well in it, but they haven't (and I guess won't be, now that Nova got cancelled) been reformed in the Nova book. This was written by "who gives a shit about continuity" Bendis though.
>>91798452
What's funny is that the Inhuman Royals book has the Royal Ship flying past a part of the alien invasion, and the people on the ship commenting that it isn't their problem

>>91798566
Isn't it past your bedtime, pal?

>>91797887
I like the way you think.

>>91796988
>because Spencer is still trying to desperately push the idea that Steve isn't a bad guy
Steve may be bad guy, but he is not BAD GUY.

>>91798500
This. You can't piss off LCSes with this kind of sales poison. They need to do right by the retailers and make it actually seem appealing or Marvel will need a fucking actual Rebirth after their Rebirth ripoff.

http://bundibird.tumblr.com/post/159891386807/what-cap-fans-wanted-a-boyfriend-for-steve-rogers

>>91798666
>MCU is the better universe
not an untrue statement

>>91798666
>Straight as an arrow
Baron Zemo must be crying into his sock

>>91798593
She could teleport them back to earth. Hell, Hyperion, Blue Marvel, Monica and Carol in binary mode could break the wall.

>>91798666
but Steve did get a boyfriend

it just wasn't who everyone outside of /co/ wanted

>>91796037
>liking things because other sites dislike them
thats depressing man

>>91798699
there was some science mumbo jumbo about the shield blocking telelportation

http://allofthefeelings.tumblr.com/post/159920613395/so-over-on-4chan-someone-posted-a-page-from-the

>>91797594
>Its just like pol and kek basically. Same shit all over again
/pol/ isn't financing expeditions to find Agartha or Hyperboria yet

>>91798730
Nothing wrong with some schadenfreude every once in a while.

>>91798184
Correct. It's a Buddhist/Hindu thing.

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>>91798700
I'm glad our OTP is canon

>>91798747
I can't turn down delicious outrage.

>>91798751
No one on /pol/ has a job outside of fast food, how would they fund anything?

>>91798566
But you still won't get laid virginfag.

>>91798699
Blue Marvel, Hyperion, Monica, Starbrand and other tried blasting the shield during its testing phase and weren't able to break it

Quasar did more than seven times the damage they did combined

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>>91796592
Nope. They were Nazis in the comics too

>>91798884
FINALLY

>>91798747
>If the Allies used the Cube to win WWII, why didn't they undo the Holocaust?
I knew this event was a bad idea. But I never knew how bad it could get until today. This is a nightmare and it's going to completely bleed into Legacy. That relaunch is DOA. People need to be fired.

>>91798884
the comics right now are saying that Red Skull was a usurper and not the REAL Hydra

>>91798877
Monica should just be able to go straight through it if it's letting light through

I get that Hydra is thousands of years old and worships squidward and shit but if they heil, goosestep and lock people in concentration camps like nazi's they are nazis. and thats fine nazi's as in now. just admit it and people wont find it as dumb

>>91798813
i know its making me 100% more hyped for the story

>>91798969
The "Light is immune to forcefields" meme should have never been made. Fucking Secret Wars.

>>91798747
>If he’s worthy while standing for Hydra, the ability to lift Mjolnir in the 616 means fucking nothing.
You didn't figure that out when cancernurse got it?

>>91798922
Holocaust is a fix point in time Mistress death/ mephisto/whoever probably didnt want to give back all those souls

>>91799004
what? It's just basic knowledge. If you can see through the force field, it's letting light in

>>91798540
>The artwork, depending on your tastes, and the intended audience, is generally good to great.
woah there. let's chill out for a second. marvel has some superb artists (i personally love sorrentino's stuff, perez, foreman, del mundo, acuna, pina, siaz, smallwood) but some of the stuff they put out is horrendous, especially with artists like kuder

>>91798877
>Quasar did more than seven times the damage they did combined
It's because she is a lesbian right?

>>91798877
>Quasar did more than seven times the damage they did combined
Hence why it is best to toss Secret Empire out the window and consider it another shit event. Hyperion, Blue Marvel and Starbrand are easily more powerful than Quasar, especially some wet behind the ear Quasar.

>>91799041
>Kuder does great in Action Comics
>puts out a horror show in Death of X
what the hell happened

>>91798813
I don't have strong feelings one way or the other for the story, but it's fucking hilarious watching everyone give Spencer shit.

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>>91798666
Zemo is the boyfriend.

>>91798686
Helmut was always gay for Steve
Where is the fic/art?!

>>91799046
When Phylla-Vell had them she was trash.

>>91798884
Context, the guy who wrote that was fired off the book and it was retconned afterward.

But it works as a good shitposty image by people who don't know better

>>91798884
>believing the Red Skull's lies despite literally everything else regarding Hydra showing that he was full of shit
wew

>>91798994
What are Japanese Internment camps?

>>91798884
NOPE, did you read that comic? Skull uses his version of HYDRA as a front to bring back the Third Reich but Hydra itself wasn't meant to be a decoy for the Third Reich.

>>91799092
Yeah, but Phyla is objectively the worst Vell.

>>91798884
Where's good ol' Skully nowadays?

>>91799004
If light couldn't get through the shield, the planet would freeze over. It hasn't and, in fact, Earth still has a distinct daytime and nighttime. QED Monica could get through it Spencer had thought about it.

Can't wait to see what Ewing makes of it, though.

>>91799143
Steve tossed him out a window and his brains splattered all over the rocks below

>>91799143
Fucking dead. Steve tossed his post-brain surgery'd ass out a goddamn window.

>>91799051
>Hyperion, Blue Marvel and Starbrand are easily more powerful than Quasar
Definitely NOT true if we're going by Gru Quasar. Only Starbrand could compete.

>>91799137
But teddy exists

>>91799068
Uh. I feel like I'm reading that page wrong, because... uh.

>>91799033
>Mephisto didn't want to give them back
>He had them in the first place because Jews go to hell when they die
It's funny because it's true

>>91799111
Americans werent also heiling and acting like nazis

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>>91799068
As always, Japan will save us

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>>91797163
Only if they could give me tentacles, must turn hentai into reality after all is said and done.

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>>91796729

>>91799243
>crying skull
top kek

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>>91799143
he got #rekt

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>>91799277

>>91798540

If I ever write for Marvel, I'm going to stick to the Punisher. It feels utterly impossible for editorial to fuck up the goddamn Punisher.

>>91799068
i know man but these clowns want steve x bucky or steve x tony they cant be happy with steve x zemo

>>91799248
It will just be someone wearing your skin

>>91799243
Yo that fucking ass

>>91799315
What about steve/sharon

I think Kirby would hate this story less because of him being Jewish and more because the story is just absolute shit

>>91799277
>turns a Frank Miller quote that encapsulated the character into a pithy post-murder one-liner
I really do not care for Nick Spencer

>>91799351
It's dumb that they didn't resolve the Xavier brain thing before it really started up.

>>91799312
>He's never read that time Frank was an agent of the Lord
Eh, it's probably for the best.

>>91799277
>sullying Cap's most iconic moment from Daredevil: Born Again

Not even current Frank Miller deserves this

>>91799354
>>91799399
it's kino

>>91799378
Yes they did. Uncanny Avengers

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>>91795994
This really isn't helping things.

>most people hate this story
>those that do like it only like it because dude nazis lmao
>even those people dislike spencers writing

>>91799277
THE DREAM WILL NEVER DIE !!

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>>91795994
>Thor alters Mjolnir so that it can only work for Non-Gods
>this happens

Thor, you piece of fucking shit.