lol what the fuck is marvel doing, it's like they want to fail

Sounds like Marvel's dealing with a bunch of idiots anyway.

>>91781068
>fucking fags and jews don't want to be cool nazis like Captain America

HAVE FUN GOING OUT OF BUSINESS

>>91781554
Lesbian Gay Black Travolta Queers.

>>91781554
It means they're an attention seeking fuckface. Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans or Queer, why queer gets it's own I have no idea.

>>91781554
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transexual
Questioning

>>91781585
>>91781601
thanks

>>91781554
They're all just different types of Queers

>>91781601
You're triggered.

ITT gonna read "hand-selling" as "selling"

>>91781068

They know that Hydra isn't real, right?

>>91781601
because some women aren't lesbians or bi but still want to be special and part of the lgbt community

it used to be questioning

good lord it's just fucking comic books

>>91781648
real or fictional no one should support nazis

it might encourage real nazis

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>>91781554
Five Flavors of Faggotry.

>>91781664
BUT MUH OPPRESION MUH ATTENTION NOTICE US WAH WAH

>>91781068
I can understand not wanting to jump through all these hoops to sell Marvel's books. But for fuck sake it is fake organization, not real Natzis.

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>>91781618
isn't lesbian and gay the same thing?

>>91781684

They're not supporting them.

Because they aren't real.

It's a marketing gimmick.

>>91781721
No?

>>91781648
It doesn't matter whether or not they're a real group, or that they're not even actual Nazis in the fiction. Public perception has labeled them as such, and, quite rightfully, nobody wants to be associated with that.

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>>91781618
>Questioning

>>91781706
Look, we can go on and on about how Marvel distanced it from the Nazi's in the MCU, about how in recent years they've done it in the comics too. About how Captain Hydra threw the Red Skull out a window.

But for decades upon decades Hydra were Nazis. That was their deal, a way for Captain America to continue to fight super science Nazis after the war. They're a Nazi organization designed to be national socialist fascists for the American superhero to punch. That is never going away.

The OP picture is still retarded, of course, but that's besides the point.

>>91781068
> hand-selling

Am I the only one here who's never heard this term before? I am, aren't I?

>>91781802
'Not sure yet'

>>91781802
It's if you're unsure about your sexuality i think

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>>91781809
Stormtroopers were Nazi analogies too. People still dress like them though. Why? Because they're fucking fake.

BTW, /this/ is the shirt everyone is throwing a hissy fit about.

>>91781802
They don't know if they pee with dick or vagina

>>91781637
Yeah I'm triggered by retards being retards
>Don't label me cisscum, but here are my labels
For what purpose?

>>91781861
Stormtroopers weren't literal Nazis like Zemo though

>>91781809
I'm not saying they aren't real Natzi in the comic, they just aren't in real life. It would be like saying dressing up as Jason on Halloween is supporting murder.

>>91781861
On another note, while the event may probably be dogshit, I do think that shirt looks kinda badass.

Anyone know where I can get one?

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It's not like they'er real Nazis

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>>91781790
this

plastering Marvel swastikas all over your shop shows that maybe nazis aren't so bad and opens the way for more people like Richard Spencer and Jontron to gain power

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>>91781601
Everything that isn't just heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality is just an illment that can be cured. That include every queer shit, fetish shit and asexuality. Its all a work for a mental doctor, while the main 3 preferneces are biological.

>>91781721
Fun fact: It used to be GLBT, but the lesbians bitched that they were oppressed and moved the L to the front.

Saged.

>>91781888
It still doesn't justify changing your store's logo to a marvel property, someone needs to tell marvel/disney they ain't shit if they ain't selling

>>91781877
They were the space equivalent of Nazis though. Obviously they weren't /actual/ Nazis, because believing Germans are the superior race is the prerequisite to being a Nazi and there is no Germany is space.

Regardless, Zemo is not a Nazi, his father was.

>>91781929
>is just an illment that can be cured
just because it's mental illness doesn't mean it can always be cured.

>>91781809
Hydra was created to fight SHIELD, not Captain America

>>91781888
Did jontron self-destruct because he is legitimately racist and stupid enough to openly air those racist opinions or was he banking on pulling a pewdiepie and getting a boost to his viewership by cashing in on the alt-right crowd at the expense of a portion of his old viewers and sponsors?

If the later the question is why did he get so desperate? Rising production costs and diminishing returns?

>>91781877

The Nazis were evil because they committed Genocide

The Empire committed much more genocide than the Nazis

The Empire is more evil than the Nazis

>>91781991
legitimately racist and stupid enough to openly air those racist opinions

Not that it even hurt him that much.

>>91781893
>Being this afraid that a /a/ shitposter and a video game reviewer will gain power.

Man, Tumblr is pathetic. You wanna know the real reason why people are warming up to them? Because they're not the one acting like terrorists


Also, neither of them are Nazis.

Richard Spencer is a white supremacist (there are distinct differences between white supremacy and Nazism, if you'd only read a damn history book)

And Jontron just believes that it's not the governments responsibility to provide free abortions.

>>91781991
He sucks at debating and doesn't understand statistics and people don't work when trying to prove a point

>>91781991
Maybe he got sick of the PC climate and felt he could finally display his opinion. Trump election actually free public speach, for better or worse i don't know.

>>91781877
>Stormtroopers weren't literal Nazis
remember when the empire blew up an entire planet because some girl wouldn't tell them where something was?

>>91781968
The Empire was meant to imply the menace of the Nazi Germany war machine, but it was never actually very Nazi's like aside from being scary military guys. In the movies, anyway. There's the obvious implications of the Empire being all white guys and the rebellion a mix of every kind of human and alien, that's true. But all the more Nazi racial fascist stuff came up in the EU later on. It was, obviously, taking the logical conclusion of those visual designs, but it still wasn't actually in the movies.

Being double fictional Nazis is important too. Hydra may be a fake organization, but the Marvel comics have always prided themselves on being "reality, but with Superheroes." You can't really have it both ways, saying that and then going "but well Hydra are just fake Nazis." They're meant, or they were meant, to occupy the same historical space in a world much like ours. Not a fantastical space opera villain.

>>91781991
Neither, he was asked to give his opinion and he did. If you'd actual watch the livestream he did not once mention race.

>>91782015
He received a boost in viewership.

>>91781991
I don't think it's either. I think he's going through some identity crisis and resolved to stick it to the SJW that bothered him on twitter once or twice, so he latched on to /pol/ memes and figured he was some expert. I think it's just a fase he's going through and it'll die down eventually. Best to just ignore him for now. It's not like he'll actually make any new video for the next few months.

>>91781842
Wouldn't that be bisexual?

>>91782080
Are we talking about something other than the time he was shitting on rich black people, or does that not count as mentioning race?

>>91782029
>doesn't understand statistics
how so?

>>91781068
Are americans that incapable of separating real life from fiction

That would explain Disneyland, but still

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>>91781068
>Marvel is just trying to have some fun
>uppity faggots who claim they don't belong to a "designated label" but label themselves anyway get offended at the thought of someone having fun
>reduce their maximum profit by refusing to sell Marvel just so they can bitch


Remember when people did stunts like these and no one gave a fuck? good times.

>>91782061
>Being double fictional Nazis is important too. Hydra may be a fake organization, but the Marvel comics have always prided themselves on being "reality, but with Superheroes." You can't really have it both ways, saying that and then going "but well Hydra are just fake Nazis." They're meant, or they were meant, to occupy the same historical space in a world much like ours. Not a fantastical space opera villain.

But Hydra is a separate entity from Nazism. They've allied themselves with Nazis before, but the organization doesn't share the same values persay, They'll adopt the values of whatever dominant threat is rising, so they can assimilate their forces as Hydra and eventually overthrow it.

>>91782109
That's if you like both it's possible but unlikely to like none

>>91782117
If you are referring to that, Jontron stated that statistically rich black kids are more likely to commit crimes than poor black kids.

His problem was not citing. What the statistic Jontron was referring to showed that rich black kids were more likely to get arrested, so he's technically not wrong.

Now, there is the question of whether this is proof that black people commit more crimes, or proof that cops arrest black people more. And there just isn't enough proof to dictate which is true.

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>>91782175
They can't take a fucking joke. Last year they had this campaign to promote The Man in the High Castle, and people lost their damn minds.

>>91781068
>MY EMPLOYEES CAN'T HAVE FUN! I FORBID THEM!

It's a dumb marketing gimmick but this store owner is a dumb SJW if he thinks dressing up like Hydra means you support nazi ideology. Does he ban Darth Vader merch in his store?

>>91781933

classic dykes

>>91781991
>meanwhile as jon is battling sjws on the internet dannys band has already sold out their first national tour
Got to have priorities I guess.

>>91782242
The shirt looks cool too. >>91781861

>>91782025
Jontron has also voiced support for the ethnic exodus BS that Spencer has been trying to peddle. He's not a nazi, no.

>>91781929
>fetish shit
so everyone on the face of the earth has a mental illness? fuck off

>>91781068
.. but Hydra isn't real nor is it's Logo offensive. I hate this fucking planet.

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>>91781068
>being this buttblasted about a fictional group
And the fuck is hand-selling?

>>91782242
Fun fact, stormtrooper costumes were banned recently at a Star Wars party in Princeton because apparently they looked like nazis somehow.

>>91782280
>Jontron has also voiced support for the ethnic exodus BS that Spencer has been trying to peddle.

Source or you pulled that out of your ass.

>He's not a nazi, no.

No, it would make him a white supremacist if it's in fact true. Do you faggots really not know what a fucking Nazi is?

>>91782229

Wouldn't that statistic would make him technically wrong since being arrested doesn't mean you commited a crime?

>>91782238
I wanted to sit on that fucking train. I wish I did. What a fucking wast.

>>91782229
This is true. But couples with the fact that blacks commit something like 10x more murders per person than whites makes it more damning. Harder to be ambiguous about an actual murder happening.

I think it's certainly fair to say the fact that rich blacks getting convicted for crimes more than poor whites suggests that it does in fact happen. Maybe it's completely to do with pure racism, but the fact that other statistics that rule out police racism are inline with blacks committing more crime and bring more violent suggest that it is probably not 100% due to racism.

though all studies like this are subject to doubt and anyone can believe what they want if they really want to by just doubting all the statistics that suggest views of the world they don't like.

>>91782300
Physical goods by the sound of it. So it seems their convictions aren't strong enough to stop them selling online apparently.

>>91782293
>everyone
You grossly overestimate that number

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>>91782305
fuck it, I quit this earth. Time to move away

>>91782319
Depends on how you look at it I assume. He looked at the evidence and drew that conclusion. I wouldn't say he's "wrong", but I'd definitely he's misinformed and didn't take enough time to reflect on the information.

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>>91782315
>demanding to be spoonfed
>talking down to people about the difference between white supremacist groups and white supremacist groups

>>91782360
what does white supremacy mean?

>>91781068
Why should someone do this?
Without getting paid why should a shop promote Marvel without anything in return than maybe sell a handfull of copies?

>>91782383
Because it's fun?

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>>91782305
The fuck sort of war did I miss?

Stormtroopers don't in any way look anything like Nazi officers OR Wehrmacht.

>>91782315
>white supremacist
>isn't even white himself
really gets my noggin joggin.

>>91781877
The costumes literally are variants of german soldier helmets, Vader has one. The blasters stormtroopers use are literally decommissioned german ww2 guns with added features to look 'futuristic'

They blew up an entire planet. They wiped out planets of non-humans and humans that went against them. They had a very prominent no non-humans policy.

And this is all before the whole sjw phase.

It can't really be denied that the Empire is space Nazis. We all just admit they look really cool.

>>91782383
why would someone do something to help them sell more product and earn more money? Yeah, that's a mystery..

>>91781861
Is there a version without the stupid "secret empire, hail hydra and marvel logo"?

>>91781554
"I'm a fucking special snowflake"

>Nicki

Women

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>>91782305
>stormtrooper costumes were banned recently at a Star Wars party

I really hate this modern world. I get called a dinosaur but I'd rather be that than a complete faggot.

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>>91782360
>Makes a claim

>Cant substantiate it.

>doesn't know what a Nazi is.

>>91782315
Dictionary definition? A supporter of the german NSDAP party that was active between 20's and 40's.

American definition? A cartoonish personification of evil.

I wish people would use the term fascist more. It's a legitimate political label that accurately defines the current jingoistic, nationalist, militarist and corporatist agenda of the american government. The only thing missing is a violent suppression of the population (which arguably is already happening) and a shift into a single-party totalitarian system (which ironically enough for all intents and purposes already has happened).

>>91782477
not long now until you can't dress up as any antagonist from a fictional story, otherwise you are obviously endorsing that characters values.

>>91781554
Legal Grandfather Banging Teen Qties.

>>91782383
>>91782383
Nobody is saying that should do it, they are saying this is a stupid reason not to do it and an overreaction. Not wanting to do it simply because you don't feel like it is more credible than this.

>>91782442
This

Just the shield and skullopus would be great

So where did this meme that Hydra are Nazi come from? This shit wasn't even mentioned in the movies

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>>91782513
>we live in a world where one day soon Plankton from Sponge Bob will be treated the same as Hitler, wearing a Reverse Flash shirt will get you beaten and dressing up as MoJo Jo Jo will land you 6 months

End it all.

>>91781861
Dan, I want that shirt.

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>>91782329
I did a bit of searching and "hand-selling" seems to mostly be about making recommendations to customers.

So yeah, they're still gonna have the comics in stock, they're just not gonna say "Hey that Spider-man book might be a good buy for you"

Fuck 'em. Get off your soapbox if you won't even bother to stop selling the shit you're pissed off about

>>91782508
Not even that.

Nazis believe that Germans are the superior race and that other races should be pushed out of Germany to create a more pure bloodline.

White supremacy is the belief that white people are supreme and should form a pure bloodline. White supremacy is more inclusive since it isn't just one race, it's all white people.

People are using the term wrong because they're too damn stubborn to actually know what Nazis wanted. They turned it into a blanket term for "evil McEvil"

>>91781783
Gay is just another word for homosexual. Which is what lesbians are so yes.

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>>91782637
Man that's even worse and hilarious. God forbid they ever back up their words.

>>91782585
Yes it was. In the movies Hydra was a caste of scientists that split from the Nazi party. They said so in the First Avenger.

>>91781684
Real or not, nobody should support killing. It might encourage real killing. Thereby, killing should be banned in all media, as depicting a thing is the same as supporting it!

Fucking idiots.

>>91781884
>>91782442
>>91782603
Reminder that people are complaining about getting it for free.

>>91782056

They would've done it anyway, they knew for years that Alderaan's government is in support of the Rebels but couldn't do anything about it until Death Star was completed.

>>91782691
killing in self defence in bad now?

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>nazis killed people a long time ago
>they're evil and scum
>communists kill people today
>they're righteous and humanitarian

Really makes u think

>>91782400
I did some digging to confirm the reason, and I just love it.

>“A few of our classmates reached out expressing concerns over our choice to use Stormtroopers as our costume inspiration,” the emailsaid. “We have been informed of the origin of this word and its connections to early -to mid- 20th century Germany. This is something neither we nor anyone on your Reunion Committee were aware of, but something we take very seriously. Tonight we made the unanimous decision to remove these costumes.”

It was voluntary.

>>91781783
yes, THERE ARE ONLY 2 SEXUALATIES, Straight and Mentally fucking sick

>>91782637
>fuck marvel we're never selling them again
>hey where did our profits go?

This is why you're not a business owner

>>91782394
But its still business. Why should someone do that? Regarding what Marvel did.

>>91782432
It is, since Marvel doesnt do anything for the shops.

>>91782536
Ok, but i mean the whole secret empire promote thing for Marvel.
Since its all costs and time for the shops because Marvel wants to sell their event but still do nothing for them.

>>91782714
Humans=illogical.

>>91782714
That's what you get for living in an anglo-bolshevik interpretation of post-WW2 history. Communists, brits and americans together destroyed europe after all. Why would best friends talk shit about each other?

>>91782821
>Why would best friends talk shit about each other?

>Lady Liberty

>Mother Russia

You know why.

I understand not wanting to participate because you don't have the means or don't care about Marvel that much but why are they getting so fucking whiney about it.

My LCS dresses like Storm troopers and imperial guard every chance they get.

>>91782731
I'm not the one shit talking a company on twitter that gives me their business

>>91782724
>We have been informed of the origin of this word and its connections to early -to mid- 20th century Germany.
Wait, did these Princeton students not know about real-life stormtroopers? How the fuck did they get in there or graduate high school?

>>91782918
That's pretty cool

>>91782513
>>91782589

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot5TgvvOYdA

>>91781783
Its like how a square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares. Gay can refer to both, lesbian only refers to women

>>91781684
>>91781790
>>91781893

God forbid the likes of fucking Jontron ever gain political power and commit a second Shoah.

I'm twenty-four, and I will readily admit to others that I still watch cartoons, but how much of a literal manchild does one have to be to equate fictional works to reality?

"It's just like when Dumbledore staged a riot against a bunch of muggles protesting for free speech."

That's what you sound like.

>>91782360
are you really this stupid?

national socialism isn't white supremacy

>>91783215
>unironically comparing gender "science" to mathematics

Mods, please just ban the OP for his garbage bait thread already.

>>91783061
kek.

I'd be more concerned with the fact their entire staff is only made up of gay jews and nothing else

>>91783293
He's right though. Gay women are lesbians.

What's LGBTQ?

Part of the GTA IV spinoff?

Secret Empire is literally anutha shoah. Nick 'Richard' Spencer is no longer a friend of social justice.

>>91782427
>The costumes literally are variants of german soldier helmets, Vader has one.
No, they're literally designed off of Samurai armor, how do you not fucking know this?

>they use decommissioned WWII guns
Yeah Sten's which were used by the British. Which you may not remember, were firmly on the not Nazis side of the war.

You tried to make a point anon, the problem is you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

>>91783339
So only gay men are rectangles but not squares? Fuck off.

>>91783215
>bieng this wrong about right angles

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>>91783254
>he's not part of Dumbledore's army
Fucking Drumpf supporting nazi

>>91782031
man its annoying when an SJW yells at you for sharing your opinion but that doesnt block your freedom of speech

>>91783395
The guns that the Sandtroopers used in that one shot on Tatooine were actually butchered MG-42s.

Han Solo used chopped up Mauser C96 pistol.

>>91783405
Yes? It's a very easy to understand analogy. Like how all chimps are apes but not all apes are chimps. How is this difficult for you?

>>91782709
oh they had a good reason for their genocide? never mind they aren't nazis you're right

>>91781068
This is the future you choose when you decided to keep jews and faggots but kick out the easy going, hardworking brown people.

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>>91783485
I'll give you the MG-42, but I'm pretty sure the Nazi's weren't still using the old Broomhandle.

At any rate, the "standard" stormtrooper gun was the E-11 which was built on old Stens.

On another note, the Jawa's ion gun was a cut down and modified Lee Enfield. Somebody on /k/ actually built one that still shoots.

>>91782645
So by your own admission Nazism is a more extreme and specific version of white supremacy. White supremacy is disgusting too, just less so because we haven't seen a white supremacist genocide on the scale of what the Nazis have done.

It feels kind of like arguing the difference between a pedophile who rapes kids versus one who molests them. When you try to "educate people about the differences" it makes you look sympathetic to pedophiles even if you aren't.

>>91781929
asexuality is real through

>>91783475
They yelled for nothing for too long. Now the other side yell for nothing too. And now that the government is longer picking a side without Obama, the restrained opposition is bursting.
I don't see it stop soon.

>>91783495
More the difference between a Fuji apple and a blood orange.
Yeah I guess they're both kinda red and fruits.

>>91781068
>LGBTQ, Jewish, or both
Rather specific hiring quotas.

>>91782025

Jon is an outspoken white nationalist.

Despite being Iranian.

He's just a moron.

>>91782637
>Fuck 'em. Get off your soapbox if you won't even bother to stop selling the shit you're pissed off about
Yeah, at least conservatives have conviction when they want to be retarded. I remember a movie theater banning the new Beauty & The Beast because it had a gay character in it. Stupid? Yes. Pretty dumb from a business standpoint? Stuck to their Christian values? Yeah, at least you can respect them on that level.

>>91783571
>it makes you look sympathetic to pedophiles even if you aren't.
That's a piss poor reason not to do it, though.

>>91783061
KEKED hard at the very end

>>91782360
Nazi is shorthand for National Socialist i.e Hitler's political party

Jon seems more of a racial realist than a outright white supremacist anyway

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>>91781068
>it's like they want to fail

It's the last thing they have not beaten DC at doing

>>91781068
>Gay Jews
Oh my

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>>91783567
Yeah, the Mausers were pretty old by that time, but there were still a few variants from the Weimar period that found use among Werhmacht officers and Einsatzengruppen units.

I thought the ion gun was an Obrez Mosin? I could mistaken.

>>91782714
>communists kill people today
>they're righteous and humanitarian

Examples?

Is Marvel sending the stores decorations or are the stores supposed to make/buy them themselves?

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>>91783437
>Right Angles

>>91783571

Well it's to give some perspective here. Which ones deserve to be punched and which one deserves to be mocked.

The difference could mean being a hero and being an asshole.

As for the "child molestation" thing, it's more like "those who rape kids" and "those who fap to loli". Stopping the former makes you a hero. Stopping the latter could lead to tyranny if there are no checks and balances.

>>91781991
He lives in New York City. Having to deal with those riots would send anybody far to the right.

t. Portlander

Liberals have never been as fucking pathetic as they are right now. God damn.

/co/mblr is total shit.

>>91783326
Hey, gay jews are good on the business side of things AND their decor is absolutely fantastic. They know how to make a comic book shop really pop.

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>>91781068

>Evil organization that came about in the 30s and gained enough power to rival governments
>Ever expanding influence and taking over nations, subverting everything
>Working behind the scenes to take over from the inside and spreading ideology towards the general public and sway their way of thinking
>seemingly limitless resources and manpower at their disposal

They sound very Disney to me

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>>91783636
>Iranians aren't white

Persians are hands-down the whitest ethnicity remaining in the Middle East. The modern "Iranians" you are used to seeing are Arab and Pashtun halfbreeds.

>>91783698
Antifa ring any bells?

So I take it /co/ wants Jontron dead because they think he's a "Nazi" eh?

And I thought /co/ was different. You're just like the Tumblr you supposedly hate.

How did MCU manage to make a 60's era mook organization like Hydra and make them cool
but still failed to make anything out of AIM?

>>91783631
Except it isn't at all. "Gay" means "attracted to the same sex". Since its usage of that word, it has been used to describe both males and females. It's never been solely used for males. Lesbian, however, purely applies to females, typically used as a noun rather than an adjective. Therefore, a lesbian is a type of gay person. A chimp is a type of ape. A square is a type of rectangle. They are not apples and oranges. They're apples and fruits, pun very much intended.

>>91783788
Marvel threads are like this, that's the fanbase.

>>91783475

>Any mention of specific range of topics results in being shouted down
>Topics cannot be calmed and reasonably discussed
>People are driven to the fringes, led to get their info from the only places willing to actually talk about it
>People get bottled up and eventually start believing wacky shit

Who gives a shit if it isn't technically an illegal infringement of Free Speech (Even though it often is. See: people pulling fire alarms or throwing rocks to get speakers shut down)

It has the same effect, rational debate is disrupted, resentment starts bubbling beneath the surface and only the furthest lunatic fringe of either side get heard.

Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transgender
Questioning/Queer
Asexual
Pansexual
Intersex
Genderless
2+Spirit

Yes these are all accepted in the community. Asked my pan-romantic, asexual/sex-repulsed, furry, brony friend about clearing this up.

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>>91783682
Yep, it was an Enfield. I wouldn't be surprised if they used an oberz for something else though.

>>91783765
>Whitest ethnicity remaining in the middle east
And if a guy is 4'11 in a midget commune it doesn't make him not a midget.
>>91783810
Because they didn't even fucking try.
AIM just became something to call the evil company that screwed over Pym. They didn't have any use to make AIM into something like the comics especially since they've got Hydra.

>>91783854
>2+Spirit
just fucking say polyamory

>>91783765
>Persians are hands-down the whitest ethnicity remaining in the Middle East.

You don't get to chose who is or isn't white.

>>91783875
It's a fucking comic universe with robots, shrinking scientists, and one eyed Nazi Baron super scientists with evil castles!

A mad science organization bent on world domination should be fucking simple for them.

>>91781861
It's but storm troopers weren't shown oppressing people because they were different and didn't have anything to do with literal Nazis. I mean they were revealed to be a bunch of Hispanic guys fighting a bunch of white guys until RO.

>>91783788
It literally on;y marvel threads that do this. Whether its trolling/shilling or the fan-base itself, its the most cancerous thing on the board right now. More so than SU.

>>91782327
The counter to this is that any statistics that they say support their arguements can also be disputed. Then their argument falls to personal feelings, a very flimsy argument.

>>91783925
Yes, and they have that, in Hydra.
They don't need AIM for that, so end of the day AIM just becomes a throwaway name for an evil company.

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>>91783918
That's not what it means.

>>91783707
>As for the "child molestation" thing, it's more like "those who rape kids" and "those who fap to loli". Stopping the former makes you a hero. Stopping the latter could lead to tyranny if there are no checks and balances.

Normally I'd agree with your analogy but exactly zero people have died at the hands of people that like lolis nor is there any evidence that fapping to loli causes you to move on to real little girls (if I did I think most of us on this site would be pedos) whereas white supremacy has caused genocide of Native Americans, was a huge basis for the American Civil War, and has led to racial violence and murder in the years since. White supremacy IS a real problem.

>>91783854
>these are all accepted in the community
As part of "the community", this is horseshit. Most fags don't give a fuck but will definitely laugh about you behind your back if you come up to them in the bar and say "I'm two spirited!!!"

>>91783918
It's actually a third gender (((((native american))))) tribes supposedly used. So it's basically just "gender queer american indian".

>>91781991
I haven't been following the whole thing, just know the general details, but is Jontron straight up kill or what? Will he ever make new videos?

>>91783368
There can't be people stupid enough to think Hydra are the good guys in this. I refuse to believe there are people this stupid.

>>91783919
i'm british. 'whiteness' was invented and patented by us to con the scottish and irish and shit into pretending we havn't discriminated against them for centuries so they'd join our war effort. it means what we want it to mean. not you.

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>>91783960
But they are a company that manufactures World Domination!!

People are being babies about this BUT Marvel is fucking up by not just accepting it and marketing the event normally instead of pushing all this weird shit. I don't remember asking people to change their store logos for Secret Wars or CW2.

(Of course it's also a bad idea to have turned this into a mega event anyway instead of letting it be smaller like Standoff was, but I guess that's a different conversation).

>>91783973

Fair enough. The only thing I'd argue is that "white supremacy" alone is the problem. "Insert Race here" supremacy in general is a problem as well. I have YET to see a single country where "Insert Race here" supremacy doesn't cause issues. Hell. The country I'm living in had an issue that lead to races of all stripes nearly killing each other and tearing the country apart in the 60s.

>>91783636
Do you think that a person can't be a white nationalist if they have their roots in Iran? Have you ever looked into the etymology of the word "Aryan"?

Still, I don't think he's actually on the same level as nazis or anything. From what I've heard, he's just one of those people who believe that population replacements via mass migration or the idea of accepting shitty cultures for the sake of tolerance aren't positive things. Those are fairly common opinions these days.

>>91782003
Nazis ARE evil because they DID commit genocide
Hydra (per mcu that most people know) were a wing of the Nazi party

The Empire are fictionally evil because they fictionally blew up a made up planet in a story

C`nest pas une death star

>>91783970
Right, and it's good that it shows it as culturally specific, because it's easy to culturally appropriate it.

>>91783970
>>91783974
oh, well nothing new then.

>>91783992

The less sensational story is basically he put his foot in his mouth when debating a guy who was looking for an easy target, because Jontron's shit at debates.

Fun fact? The guy that Jontron debated?. He ended up pissing off Arin for shitting on animators and blue collar workers.

>>91784006
They have Hydra.
I'm sorry anon but the MCU is tiny. They don't need a million evil organizations because they only really need the one to fulfill the duties and too much shit would just confuse the movie going audience.
It's not "they can't do anything with AIM" it's they have zero desire t o do anything with AIM because they have Hydra.

>>91783970
>tfw this effectively amounts to about the same as "I identify as the Town Blacksmith"
Brave New World.

>>91782724

>banning stormtrooper costumes because of something that happened nearly a century ago

>acting as if thats a good thing

Princeton will always be worst ivy.

>>91784085

Hydra's fictional affiliation with the Nazis is no more morally concerning than the Empire's fictional genocide.

>>91783875
I recommend you go look up the official definition of "white" and come back here with your findings.

>>91783973
>genocide of Native Americans
The war tribes of the west killed more settlers than visa versa. The eastern tribes were killed mostly on accident due to disease; their population was decimated between first contact and settlers arriving later.
>was a huge basis for the American Civil War
Was a huge political tool during. Slavery was not the cause of the war itself, though a lot of people like to claim so because that makes the war a feel-good, war against evil.
>White supremacy IS a real problem.
The fact that you need to distinguish whites from everyone else might be a real problem. See a fucking therapist; and read a real history book. I see that public education and "progressive" knowledge has fed you a load of shit you need to unlearn.

>>91784058
Yeah, man. I definitely agree with you. It ain't just white. Any racial extremists get the same reaction out of me. If you're all for the "purity of your race" I think you're nuts. If you point me in the direction of other races doing it, I'll condemn them too.

I'm not one of those liberals who try to say "ONLY WHITES ARE BADDD"

>LGBTQ, Jewish, or both

So it's an "alt-right" business, then?

>>91783863
Damn, that's too bad. Lee-Enfields are just too good to chop up like that, but I guess 1976 George Lucas was of another opinion.

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>>91781893
>red noses
>trump is hitler
Is Tumblr aware that Trump has an insane amount of Jewish connections and biases towards Israel? He's the fucking opposite.

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>>91781068
>LGBTQ, Jewish
>OR BOTH

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I just got a name for this controversy:

#HydraGate

Now you guys can be cool like the cool boards by whining about shitty marketing.

they can do what they want but if they lose out on a huge amount of money for being stupid that's their fault. Money talks and once they start needing it they'll fall in line

>>91784144
Not that guy, but you would make sense if everyone can detach context and emotion as well as consideration from all decisions when working with works of fiction. People don't work that way.

Besides, the Empire's genocide is different since they were targeting planets and Jedi which were both diverse.

>>91781068
You know, its kinda funny to seethe Nazi concept as the American Boogeyman. I dont even like nazis, but whenever americans dislike something or just dont agree with it, they just call it "Nazi" or "Hitler". They sure overuse that word.

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>>91784242
Just like /pol/, they prefer not to acknowledge it.

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>>91781861
>doesn't know that the Empire in Star Wars stands for the USA

>>91783597
Not really. People who are just don't want to figure out the problem with a specialist are just choosing their fate in celibacy. All asexuals who dealt with sexuologist or psychiatrist were cured by figuring what made their dick tick or what caused impotency.

>>91784242
They really aren't aware of anything. They just read on CNN or HuffPo that Trump wants to build a wall because white supremacy and they go with it because suicidal altruism.

>>91784242

They should have criticised him of being a Zionist, but then again that woud make THEM the Hitlers.

>>91784001
underrated post

>>91784294
Real/pol/ acknowledges it. "God Emperor" kiddies don't.

>>91782080
>he did not once mention race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdOgvdbl314

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>>91784290
Your observation is stale and years late. You are worse than Hitler for making this out of touch post.

>>91784187
>The war tribes of the west killed more settlers than visa versa.
lol

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>>91784317

Zionism is a form of Fascism though.

>>91784314
>confirmed for not watching CNN or huffpo or feeding into the sensationalist culture that makes CNN and huffpo a problem
Readjust yourself, friend. Read some comics or watch some cartoons.

>>91784187
>The war tribes of the west killed more settlers than visa versa. The eastern tribes were killed mostly on accident due to disease; their population was decimated between first contact and settlers arriving later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_of_Native_Americans
>Was a huge political tool during. Slavery was not the cause of the war itself, though a lot of people like to claim so because that makes the war a feel-good, war against evil.
I'll agree on this point. Slavery wasn't the lone cause of the Civil War but it was a contentious issue that helped lead to it. Though I never said that it was the lone cause in the first place. There's states rights, protectionism, etc. And yeah, I know many of the Union states also owned slaves.
>The fact that you need to distinguish whites from everyone else might be a real problem. See a fucking therapist; and read a real history book. I see that public education and "progressive" knowledge has fed you a load of shit you need to unlearn.
To be honest, you're the one who sounds like the triggered extremist here. What I'm saying isn't that radical. I believe any kind of racial supremacy is a problem, we just happen to be talking about white supremacy right now.

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>>91784242
>is tumblr aware
>TUMBLR
>AWARE

>>91784018
It's probably partly damage control, but also a lot of these people screaming aren't buying the comics anyway, so them saying they're not reading it doesn't really affect anything. You can still market to the people who are actually buying it.

At the same time someone absolutely needs to put Nick Spencer on a leash on social media. His constant bickering over any and all complaint towards the book (even from people not reading it) is way worse than anything he's actually written in it.

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>>91784407

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>>91781684
Too late my friend.

>>91781991

He is just a drug addict that destroyed a lot of his interpersonal relationships. Then later found some respite by hanging out with alt-right dipshits. It's a fairly sad story really.

>>91784445
But you did, senpai.

>tfw a /co/ thread is getting too real

We're all getting a three-day Hiroshima for this.

>>91783509

Nah, just saying that they had a whole different reason for blowing up the planet other than "one girl keeping secrets".

>>91784303

super false

>>91784187
>says something general and non-specific most people agree with but some liberals are known to harp on
>YOU MUST BE THESE SPECIFIC LIBERALS
Calm down.

>>91784411
Nigga, you seem to think that I'm just some sort of unworldy normie piece of shit who thinks only in the terms of his own subjective reality. I don't think you have the level of authority to shitpost so egregiously against me.

>>91784549
>I don't think you have the level of authority to shitpost so egregiously against me.
Stealing this.

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>>91784445

Well people started talking about Zionism. It doesn't take a lot to realize that modern Zionists are heavily influenced by Nazi ideology.

That's also why Magneto is such a great character btw. Although some writers go too far and turn him into a literal Nazi which is just misses the point.

>>91784407
Hitler actually partnered with the Zionists before the war to get the Jews out of Germany and into Palestine.

>>91784412
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_of_Native_Americans
We're the only ones dumb enough to record our crimes. Or smart enough depending on how you look at it; many of those natives couldn't read, let alone write. Hell some tribes had no written language at all.

Moreover, settlers groups had a tendency to be small. Killing one off doesn't warrant a footnote in history. It should just be noted that they killed a LOT of them off. And each other.

>>91781929
lol

>>91784612
>the moment when you weigh up /tv/ shitposting vs. /pol/ shitposting and have to make a choice
>the moment when you realise they both overlap with /co/ shitposting anyway

>>91784635
What do you know about Bane?!

>>91784635
TELL ME

>>91784549
You just said that certain people aren't aware of anything because of the assumptions you make about them. Transcend yourself my man.

>>91784577
>no source
>searching it brings up numerous disputations and corrections
Nice one senpai.

>>91784463
>drug addict
Source?

>>91784130
You don't have to reach that far, vocations are where most middle and working class surnames come from.

>>91781068
It's a good thing stores like that are closing down.
This nonsense "lgbtq" shit is ridiculous. They had their fun, now it's time to stop being insane and get real jobs.

>>91784695

The original source is an Israeli politician who was close to Begin. It's disputed by his party but they are basically fascists so why trust them?

>>91784289

Ethnic cleansing is in no way dogferent than mass murder unless you value genetics in the same way a supremacist would.

>>91784577
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Menachem_Begin

Nice quote there goy- I mean bro.

>>91784747
>I admit the quotation is wrong
>You should still trust me though because I say so
Man I have a lot of problems with Zionism but you don't make any kind of convincing case posting shit like that and this.

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>>91784588

For all the talks of Aryan supremacy Hitler had a lot of alliances with people from all over the world. He had Japanese, Arab, Jewish, Latin American allies. The world is way more complicated than people like to think it is.

Which is why I prefer stories about heroes fighting against heroes rather than heroes vs villains. In the real world there is no such thing, as GRRM said, a villain is just a hero of the other side.

>>91784463

>drug addict

Single fucking fact to back that up please?

>>91784793
Kill yourself spider.

>>91784793
Fucking spider!

>>91784635
Why does he wear the mask?

>>91784764
That seems like a very flimsy argument. How'd you work that one out? Eliminating a specific ethnicity by mass murder is different from just plain ole mass murder regardless of your own opinions on genetic supremacy; the intend is different.

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Protip for Marvel: People who work retail fucking hate it when the higher-ups ask them to dress up in costumes. It doesn't matter what the outfit is. It's embarrassing and stupid and doesn't actually drive sales anyway.

Now if you work for a chain like McDonald's or something, and the corporate bosses ask you to wear some dumb getup for two weeks, you do it because you have no choice. But comic stores are independent. They don't have to listen to anything Marvel says, let along put on stupid Hydra outfits or replace their logos with Hydra ones. Why the fuck would they? Almost every comic store is a small business. They work hard to establish their logos, and now they're supposed to change them because a fucking Disney subsidiary told them to? Fuck that.

Even if you remove all politics from this situation, it's still a retarded move on Marvel's part. All it does is make retailers resent Marvel for expecting them to act like Marvel's unpaid sales team.

>>91782589
> mojo Jo Jo will and you 6 months
Wouldn't that be racist though? Because of the turban.

>>91781684

What are you talking about? Then no one should use the Empire symbol from Star Wars then or sell Dales action figure

This is just stupid

>>91784764
It's contextual. Killing indiscriminately is bad just like killing discriminately, but one has to be blind to context to see them as just as bad all the time especially when fictional and one work is based on pure fantasy and the other lends from real world history.

In other news: murdering is worse than executing.

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>>91784800
You realize shocker is also another Nazi analogue right?

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>People get bent out of shape over a promotional stunt featuring HYDRA. A fictional organization

>Having an Imperial/COBRA logo in your car window, or having life-sized stormtroopers/ Darth Vader/ Palpatine statues in your shop is A-OK

Granted, the former has ties to a real-life group, and Marvel should know better than to pull this shit in a politically hyperactive climate. But still, come on.

>>91784864

If your intent is to destroy your inferior enemies and assert the power of your group through blood then what difference does it make if those enemies share the same blood, or fly the same flag, or are a part of an undesirable class, or live in the same place?

>>91784635
Who the fuck is bane, and why the fuck i want to know?!

>>91784705
Sounds like some of the old "why did Jontron leave Game Grumps" theories are bleeding into the current drama. There was talk about him and Arin having a falling out over drugs back then.

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>>91784799

I never said the quote is wrong. And if you have a just some problems with Zionism then you are really fucked up in the head. The whole ideology is all about ethnic nationalism, it's an inherently racist ideology that was implemented through terror and conquest.

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>>91781068
When did everyone start getting so sensitive over Nazis that fictional villain groups sometimes associated with Nazis are a big no-no?

Did we forget that in 2014 everyone was shouting hail hydra memes after Marvel dumped the Winter Soldier movie out.

>>91784927
I agree with that, but mass murder =/= that.

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>>91784920
>thinks that's a Kamen Rider reference

Well technically it is, but it's more than that.

>>91784887
The Star Wars EU is so crazy that it was revealed that Hitler was the first Sith and he got his power by huffing the magic genes from the jewdis he killed. Normie film casuals are the worst.

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>>91783970
> that describes indigenous North Americans
Is this gender assuming my race?

>>91784955
When people had fun bitching out Nick Spencer on twitter.

>>91784914

Execution by a corrupt power is murder

>>91781068
Nazi or not, normies have universally derided HydraCap and Nick Spencer as a whole, and Marvel continuing to push that despite the negative reception only unravels how tone deaf they are. Every casual fan I know hates HydraCap and wants Marvel to retcon that shit as fast as possible, but Marvel continues to push that shit as hard as they did the Inhumans. Secret Empire can have the greatest writing we've ever seen from an event comic, and it would still be impossible to convince many people otherwise.

Plus, Nick Spencer being an asshole on Twitter does very few favors for how even comic readers view the event.

>>91784955
>Did we forget
Please shut up. This assumes the same conversation has the same participants.

>>91784983
>tfw you thought Surgeon X was going to be a Western comic taking on the legacy of stuff like Franken Fran, Black Jack, Godhand Teru or Team Medical Dragon
>tfw it was just generic Image shit

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>>91784944

I have a problem always not posting the image I want to post. Insomnia is a hell of a drug.

>>91785009
>Every casual fan I know hates HydraCap and wants Marvel to retcon that shit as fast as possible
That is literally just because outraged loons are telling them that though.

Fully agreed on your second para.

>>91781068
I know it's hip and trendy to hate Marvel on this board right now but this "controversy" is a bunch of bullshit.

Hydra are fictional characters, and silly one's at that. Anyone acting offended at just being ASKED to dress like them can fuck off.

>>91784967

In what way? I'm talking about political mass murder, so maybe mass murder isn't the word for it. Though an individual who could manage to kill six million diverse souls on his own over time would be as bad as Hitler in the killing department, just not as bad politically.

>>91783636
>Jon is an outspoken white nationalist.

No he isnt.

>>91784997
Meat is murder. Man of murder.

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>>91784955

Memes are different from shitty marketing gambits.

>>91785076
Agreed. He's Iranian, not white.

>>91784871
In the next few weeks we're going to see a bunch of comic stores quietly putting DC books in the most prominent display positions out of sheer spite.

>>91785092
>Nick Spencer will one day reveal that that it was HIM who leaked the details of Civil War II, that him leaving DC under a cloud was just a fabrication and that he is the REAL HydraCap

>>91785090

Iranians are Aryan.

>>91785136
Deepest lore?

>>91784608
>We're the only ones dumb enough to record our crimes. Or smart enough depending on how you look at it; many of those natives couldn't read, let alone write. Hell some tribes had no written language at all.
So if they did, we would have seen that they massacred more white people than we think they did? How many Native Americans do you even know today? It's ridiculous to argument that they weren't decimated by Manifest Destiny and other U.S. policies. Even if they did kill a lot of white people, they lost. Big time.
>Moreover, settlers groups had a tendency to be small. Killing one off doesn't warrant a footnote in history. It should just be noted that they killed a LOT of them off. And each other.
The amount of settlers that died compared to Native Americans isn't even debatable. Whether you say it's westward expansion or smallpox, Indians were wiped out. It feels asinine to say "whites died too". Yeah, and? What's your point? Indians killed white people? Yeah, I don't think anyone is trying to argue that they didn't. Plus the violence came from defending themselves from settlers coming into their land and trying to put them on reservations. Are you trying to say that they instigated this themselves?

>>91785143
And? Aryan =/= white.

>>91785143

I think what you mean to say is that Iranians are Caucasoid

>>91785159
>Plus the violence came from defending themselves from settlers coming into their land and trying to put them on reservations. Are you trying to say that they instigated this themselves?
Not that anon, but sometimes that totally did happen. I mean even Bury My Heart acknowledges that in places, that's part of the tragedy. The ability and intent of the Indians to harm settlers was vastly overmatched by the settlers' ability and intent.

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>>91785166
>Aryan =/= white.

Please remove yourself.

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>>91784871
Oldfag here. When I was a teenager I worked at Blockbuster (ha ha, remember those fuckers?) when Shrek 2 came out on DVD. Corporate shipped us a box full of plastic Shrek caps which we were required to wear for the next two weeks. These things went over your head, covering your hair, were bright green and had those stupid stalk-things he has for ears on them. We also had to wear Shrek tshirts and play the original movie on a constant loop in the store.

Our manager was normally a real by-the-book type of person. But one look at those stupid caps and she decided they had been "accidentally lost," by which I mean she went out back and threw them in the dumpster.

Apparently most of the other stores in the area also "lost" theirs. Out of 9 stores in my city, only one actually had people wearing Shrek crap. They ended up with the lowest rental count at the end of the promotion.

The moral is: even when you HAVE to wear stupid promotional outfits, people usually don't. Working retail is shitty enough.

>>91785195

Do people seriously talk about the Nazis without knowing anything about the Nazis?

Caucasian includes Semitic peoples. The whole point of the Aryan distinction is to separate Semites (Arab, Jews) from Aryans (Nordic, Germanic).

>>91785219
You think we should all smoke dank kush, wire gold jewelry and force our slaves to ferment mares' milk for us while we whore ourselves out to Greeks too anon? So-called "Aryan" nationalism is a fucking joke.

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>>91784921
This. The owner at my LCS is losing his mind over this whole thing because his wife is a pink haired special snowflake with eighty-two piercings on her fat flabby vagina, and they both want to dress up as, I shit you not, Ben Grimm and Sue Storm as a way of protest.

And this motherfucker has a giant fucking Death Eater tattoo on his forearm which he likes to show off constantly.

>>91782712
Real or not, nobody should support non-defensive killing. It might encourage real non-defensive killing (ex: killing terrorists). Thereby, non-defensive killing should be banned in all media, as depicting a thing is the same as supporting it!

>>91781068
Marvel did this to themselves. By pandering to non-readers by using diversity and "fuck white people/cops/government" as legitimate selling points, they have created an environment toxic to 90% of any and all possible gimmicks/ideas by being subservient to the thin skinned and the easily offended. They bought the bullets for the gun that'll shoot them.

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>>91785158
>>91785136

PLOT TWISTS ABOUND

>>91783854
>2+Spirit
Why didn't they add their exp points to Dexterity or Strength instead? Spirit is a shit attribute.

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Hello citizens of /co/. My name is Doctor Richards of the Fantastic Four. I regret to inform you that this thread has been infested by Skrulls who wish to turn you against each other. Luckily, I found a way to isolate these Skrulls. Everyone with a dubs in this thread is actually a Skrull.

>>91781068
So it was ok when the whole "Hail Hydra" meme started with Winter Soldier, but now is evil nazi propaganda?

What changed in 3 years?

>>91781721

In a very technical sense, yes.

>>91785400
SKRULL!!! SKRULL!!!

>>91785265

Some of the crazier Nazis actually believed that the Aryans descended from Hyperboreans that had a vastly superior civilization that was lost in time.

>>91781068
So this guy won't hire anyone that's not sexually confused or doesn't subscribe to a certain religion? Maybe this shop needs to get shut down if they're going to be this triggered by fiction

>>91785400
GET OFF MY PLANET YOU SCUM

>>91785364
I do wonder how this is going to impact him after the fact. He could have fucked off to Image for good after Superior Foes but he probably can't do that now.

>>91785364
As the writer, of course he would take the brunt of the blame.

>>91785361
Yeah, you can't have characters regularly boast about beating up racists and Hitler, then have your event comic be about your paragon of a character become part of a movement most casuals see as a Nazi organization. That's having it both ways, and fans from either side is gonna see bullshit on Marvel's part.

>>91785417

The first sentence doesn't have any connection with the second sentence.

>>91785361
>"fuck white people/cops/government"
Holy shit. Where do you get this from?

>>91784793
Good try you fucking spider!

>>91781929
>while the main 3 preferneces are biological
I mean, surely all of this shit is biological? Considering we're biological entities and all.

What exactly constitutes a mental illness here?

>>91781877
First Order Troopers, on the other hand, absolutely were Nazis with full on rallies led by SS Officers in knockoff Huge Boss uniforms, and a strong urge to purge all the non-human races.

>>91781809
It didn't work for David Duke and doesn't work for Hydra, you just don't un-become a Nazi, no one fucking buys it.

>>91781861
Hydra is literally Nazis though.

>>91783571
>So by your own admission Nazism is a more extreme and specific version of white supremacy.
Yep.

>White supremacy is disgusting too, just less so because we haven't seen a white supremacist genocide on the scale of what the Nazis have done.

Correct.

>When you try to "educate people about the differences" it makes you look sympathetic to pedophiles even if you aren't.

Only to a fundamentalist who can't doesn't understand there's a scale of bigotry and the likes. And quite frankly, I don't have time to care about what morons think of me.

The only troubling thing I see of this is the fact that by people continuing to use Nazis as a blanket term it trivializes the horrendous shit they've done. To the point where in the future the term Nazi will no longer hold any meaning.

>>91785364
>when secret empire fails (and it will)
A bit too sure of herself. If it fails it'll be a Civil War 2 level failure, that is performing below expectations but still a top ten title.

>>91785456
It's literally just the lgtq crowd that gets triggered by fiction they don't read though.

>>91785416
Miguel Serrano is some crazy shit to read, for sure. Good fuel for writing fantasy or worldbuilding.

I thought that his perception of the primordial Aryans as totally asexual was interesting in respect to a lot of stuff that the Nazis both despised and celebrated in terms of behaviour. It's kinda similar to how Scientology sees its predecessors as well.

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>>91785361
>complains about people being thin skinned
>sees marvel as saying "fuck white people"

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>>91785400
LEAVE NOW!

>>91785460
Off the top of my head, falcon's book was all three.

>>91785512
Well, the #1 was IIRC 3 on the charts. Marvel should be expecting an event launch title to be top.

>>91783788
I don't know or care who Jongron is.

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>>91785524
Quite a few example of "fuck whitey" in current Marvel books desu

>>91785533
GET OFF OF MY PLANET YOU GREEN NIGGER!

>>91785452
It could've possibly worked back when Marvel discerned itself from reality far more. You would get certain commentary and historical ties, but not to the point they have done now. It is far easier to pinpoint HYDRA with Nazis instead of crazy comic book villainy now than it used to be, because they have become a straw man for "everything not a minority or gay must die" instead of straight up world domination.

They even had Red Skull speak to skinheads with actually used arguments.

>>91785533
How so?

>>91781968
>>91782003
>>91782427
The Empire's evil, yes, but most fans don't give a shit because many of their war crimes are either against specific planets rather than races, or to species that are so inhumanoid that SW fans don't even care if they're genocided. Plus, the new Disney books shove in black women like Ciena Ree as Imperials, and the Empire's been happy to recruit aliens like Thrawn and Mas Amedda in high ranking positions, so now we're meant to see the Empire as an equal opportunity fascist movement than Nazis nowadays. No matter what the Rogue One writer says.

>>91784680
I have transcended myself, my your-man.

You just need to transcend your conscious-awareness of real-transcendence subjectivity, my friend.

>>91785460
Pretty much every major one. They even had the Champions give a speech about evil white sheriffs.

You people in this thread are missing the point.

Marvel is crashing and burning. Hopefully they just stop making comics so people can stop associating the brand with trash.

As far as I'm concerned and most long time readers it's been Disney Comics since they bought them.

>>91781068
I find this funny considering they were probably pushing the "hail Hydra" meme when it was popular.

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>>91781068
this is a fun thread

>>91785398
nice try Skrull, everyone knows the FANTASTIC FOUR ARE UNPROFITABLE AND DEAD AND ARE NEVER COMING BACK.


ever.

>>91785364
Why is everybody honestly behaving like Nick Spencer is a actual neo-nazi?
He is an obvious twitter lefty, they might not like Hydra Cap, but saying Spencer is a nazi is ridiculous.

>>91785577
Wait, is this a "fuck whitey" moment?

>>91785214
>The ability and intent of the Indians to harm settlers was vastly overmatched by the settlers' ability and intent.
That's why the government needed the "savages" propaganda in the first place. I doubt most whites cared about occupying more land. And I don't know if they would have developed any feelings of hatred for Indians on their own anyway. But there was definitely plenty of anti-Indian propaganda to go around to justify taking their land. And it's not just a white problem. It's a human problem. Every leader does it.

I think the hatred for whites was ratcheted up because they saw their people getting killed and they saw settlers coming into their territory and felt a need to defend it. I'm not going to say that they didn't commit some horrible atrocities themselves (attacking stagecoaches, massacring settlers, etc.) but I think it came from more of a "we need to do this to survive" mentality. I'm not even saying that was entirely justified but I think it's somewhat more sympathetic.

>>91785400
>>91785533
>>91785577
>All these Skrull posters.

>>91782685
Exactly. They made it a point to mention that Hydra aren't Nazi in the Cap movies and yet people somehow believe that they are. I just don't fucking get this

>>91785615
And any "beloved character is revealed to be evil" story in Star Wars like Dark Empire is instantly derided by fans and casuals alike anyway. If Episode VIII reveals that Luke was a First Order spy this entire time, you would get thousands of articles and millions of fans accusing Disney of turning a favorite character into a Nazi.

>>91785592
It portrayed illegal acts (illegal immigration) as positive, and those who tried to enforce the law (cops, concerned citizens) as insane for even trying to hold up the law. Falcon II himself is told to the reader to be a humanitarian and positive rolemodel for assissting people in breaking the law (help people illegally cross the border). Generally, these are anti-government messages, as the government encompasses the law and working to subvert it is to work against it. Of note is that absolutely no white characters in the book are ever right, only varying degrees of wrong. Even when they agree with the protagonist.

>>91785682
Little Crow's speech just prior to the Sioux uprising in Minnesota (even those last four words together tell you a history) is pretty heartbreaking:

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