Marvel C2E2 Legacy Panel

>While emphasizing the storied past of the Marvel Universe, the publisher is also mixing in newer characters as well.

>"From there, the Marvel Legacy initiative spreads out across the Marvel Universe, showcasing epic storylines hearkening back to the glory days of Marvel starring Odinson, Squirrel Girl, Spider-Man, the Avengers, America Chavez, Iron Man, Moon Knight, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Marvel, Luke Cage, the X-Men, Captain America, Ms. Marvel, Deadpool, the Champions, Wolverine, Ironheart, Hulk, The Punisher and so many more!"

>The publisher said that Legacy will encompass the entire Marvel Universe, promsing "blockbuster new storylines" and its renumbered titles coming with "a renewed sense of hope, wonder, enjoyment and fun!"

>Marvel's Legacy initiative expands beyond just the stories and the issue numbers on the front cover, as the publisher plans to revive ancillary elements from its past such as the Marvel Value Stamp, the fan magazine FOOM, and corner box art on covers.

>Marvel said to expect information on the titles and their creative teams for both new and continuing series to be announced in the next few months.

http://www.newsarama.com/34197-marvel-re-embraces-legacy-with-new-direction-original-numbering-throwback-extras.html

This thing is going to cost $5.99 and not be returnable by retailers, isn't it?

>>91757641
>with the publisher's long-running titles reverting to their original series or "classic legacy" numbering
Honestly this alone is worth it. I miss seeing big ass numbers on the covers of capeshit. I'm sure they'll totally fuck up the count for a lot of big titles, but oh well.

Can't wait for all of the 'diverse' legacy heroes to crash as a result.

>>91757678
>and its renumbered titles coming with "a renewed sense of hope, wonder, enjoyment and fun!"
>Marvel's Legacy initiative expands beyond just the stories and the issue numbers on the front cover
So it's the same old shit with new #1's, like they've been doing for the past 5 years.

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>implying anyone here cares

This is DC territory now fool

>>91757787
only this time the #1's are a number that they thought up with creative counting, I wonder if they will include Ultimate Line numbers to make them higher, in an effort to beat DC to issue #1000

>>91757687
This is like the third time this has happened, I remember Spider-Man getting shuffled into a fresh renumbering, but then it reverted back to the classic numbers for issue 500. It's the reason why I was laughing when everyone was screaming that secret wars was a reboot because of the fresh #1s.

>>91757839
If they use multiple titles for a single book that'll really rustle my jimmies. You should only include "volume 1-x" of "Title Y."

So Amazing Spider-man would count:
>volume 1: 441
>volume 2: 58
>volume 1b: 200 (maybe the 9 .x issues?)
>volume 3: 20 (maybe the 8 .x issues?)
>volume 4: 26 or however many there have been now (maybe the 6 .1 issues?)

No Spectacular, no Web of, no Team Up... MAYBE Superior, since they weren't running concurrently.

So ASM renumbered should have ~746 or maybe 769 if they count the point x issues. I knew Marvel was fucking themselves up down the line when they did that, especially since there's no consistency -- sometimes .1 was just marketing (9, 10, 11, 12.1, 13, 14...), sometimes it was a bonus issue (10, 11, 12, 12.1, 13...), sometimes it was just a miniseries (1.1, 1.2, 1.3...) -- it was fucking retarded to be honest.

>>91757990
Yeah, a lot of the legacy numbering returned about a decade(?) ago now. Fantastic Four, Captain America, ASM, Thor, Iron Man...

Then #1 after #1 after #1 for like 5 years. I think Marvel finally realized that people stopped giving a shit about #1s.

>>91757641
>in the biggest, boldest, best Marvel stories.
I doubt all three.

>The publisher said that Legacy will encompass the entire Marvel Universe, promsing "blockbuster new storylines" and its renumbered titles coming with "a renewed sense of hope, wonder, enjoyment and fun!"
Spencer? Where are you now?

This will sucks like every shit relaunch in the last 6 years. The problem is Bendis, diversity and legacy characters. Everyone knows.

>>91757828
you sad fool with your sad lies

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>>91757641
as long as they keep pushing the Inhumans, I'm all for it!

>>91757641
>the Earth-shattering return of a beloved Marvel mainstay
Captain Wolverine is coming back to Earth

>>91758098
Finished for good like the inhumans push.

>>91758073
Spencer twitter rant on how this is totally not DC Rebirth when?

>>91757641
>said quesadilla
how is this asshole not dead yet?

>>91757641
Yes cosmic cube reboot.

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>>91758150
>Inhuman pushed is finished
>just announced another book

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>>All your favorite Marvel characters!
>>AND MOON GIRL!

>>91758281
>Thing
Don't play with my heart, you assholes.

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>>91758281
https://news.marvel.com/comics/63711/marvel-legacy-takes-hold-fall/

>>91757641
>"embrace our roots and move enthusiastically forward"
>Legacy 's "bold new direction" will begin with an 50-page Marvel Legacy #1 one-shot
>“It’s a loving look at the heart of Marvel as we embrace our roots and move enthusiastically forward
>>91757678
>emphasizing the storied past of the Marvel Universe, the publisher is also mixing in newer characters as well.
>renumbered titles coming with "a renewed sense of hope, wonder, enjoyment and fun!"
DC should sue them.

>>91758343
Man, Quesada really should draw more stuff. He's way better at that.

>>91758073
>Spencer? Where are you now?
Can someone post the twitter screenshot of him attacking Rebirth and then getting rekt?

>>91758343
Ok I'll admit that'd make a bitchin' poster

>>91757641
This will amount to be a big fat load of nothing if they keep the same creative teams. I mean they aren't relaunch anything and its just a renumbering of a bunch of shit so its not a great jump on point either

>>91758343
>>Wolverine coming back
Hmmmm

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>>91758281
>>>AND MOON GIRL!
and don't forget about Riri''smarter than Hank Pym, Bruce Banner and Tony Stark put together'' Williams

I think we finally hit critical mass, because now this new initiative is offering nothing new. It's just keeping the same slate that everyone is already bored of.
>>91758281
Look at this sht. Not a single new face to get excited for.

>>91758073
>>91758422
Maybe this is partly why he has been bitching more on twitter again

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/21/marvels-nick-spencer-idea-stories-escapism-todays-world-irresponsible-cowardly-argument/

I hate Bleedingcool for their clickbait, but they did collect the tweets

>>91758532
>but they did collect the tweets
No, they didn't. Rich the Leech did what he always does and just posted shit he saw here. He "collected" those tweets from /co/ threads.

>>91758373
jesus they got even the 'beloved character returning' part

watch they pull the 'watchmen' part as well even considering they dont have a watchmen tier story

>>91758581
I actually missed the thread about this (wasn't around yesterday), can you link it?

>>91758595
miracleman responsible for new universe when

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>>91758595
>they dont have a watchmen tier story

>>91758595
>watch they pull the 'watchmen' part as well even considering they dont have a watchmen tier story
Sheev stole the moral compasses from the whites to take over 616

>>91758635
That isnt watchmen tier thats shit tier

>>91758373
Marvel has built their legacy on ripping off DC for their entire existence. That's just how it is.

>>91758519
Fans dont want new. New tanked in sales.

>>91757641
>it's the Rebirth one-shot, but with the F4 taking Wally's place

THE HOUSE OF IDEAS

>>91758676
Its alans best work besides his superman.

Americans don't like because xenophobia of uk.

>>91758281
Who's that handsome gent in the top left corner?

>>91758676
>That isnt watchmen tier
You're right. It's better.

this is just marvel Convergence

>>91758708
So does keeping the same character lineup for the past 2 years. The Marvel Universe is shrinking, and it's going to bore people out of reading.

>>91758774
It's Carl Danvers.

>>91758797
>>91758756
>miricleman is good
Its pointless edge and boring. And then the utopia is even more boring and pointlless

>>91758343
Is that Black Widow riding Lockjaw? The tits are way too big to be Kamala and that looks like her gauntlet thing.

>>91758811
But they just removed them all. Nearly every classic is gone.

And no. Fans only want old characters.

>>91758853
You are boring, and its not Edgey.

>>91758862
It does look like her wrist things. If it is supposed to be Kamala (which I doubt), it could be like that DIVIDED WE STAND promo picture that had everyone drawn in weird proportions

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>>91758830
Best dad.

There are a couple of people they could bring back but most would not make people happy/move sales:

Fantastic Four: no one buys the book anymore and more to the point, only got a spin-off book under Hickman as a vanity project. Their departure is huge but would it REALLY fucking make an impact?

Pre-OMD Spider-Man/Mary Jane: Would require a HUGE fucking ass pull but would be a huge fucking moment to get people excited, though it would mean Marvel would have to eat crow on BND/Slott and that's one hill they would die on than concede they were wrong all along.

Wolverine: OK except Wolverine really never left due to Old Man Logan. Plus his return would not create any waves, since Scott is dead and Wolverine isn't THAT axe crazy that he'd want to kill off the Inhuman Royal family for what they did to mutantkind.

Thor using the notion that the real Thor has been dead/exiled since Fear Itself? Would require a massive asspull again. Plus we know Thor's coming back anyway.

Tony Stark: Coming back already, though the cynic in me sees them possibly holding off his return for the sake of propping up Bendis' fragile ego so Riri can get an extension before being shuffled off

Adam Warlock: He's been a non-entity since the DnA Run and only made appearances since then in Starlin's rather masturbatory Thanos one-offs that have had him on the fringe. A Starlin Adam Warlock ongoing that had huge impact on the Marvel Universe could be in the offering.

Professor X: Bringing him back would be a feel good moment but then what?

Jean/Scott: nostalgia and a cue to get rid of the timelost O5 at long last but then what?

Captain Mar-Vel: Would be interesting but Marvel keeps tripling and quadrupling down on Carol. Only way this works is if they bring him back as Carol's love interest/supporting cast member. Or stick him with Kamala, so they can push her into more traditional super-hero stories

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>>91758343
>still putting Carol on the front of everything

>>91758098
>>91758513

I'm way more okay with this than I should be and I am disgusted by that fact.

>>91758626
>>91758635
>>91758645
oh well

they will do it, dont they?

>>91758993
>no one buys the book anymore
No one buys it because THEY DON'T SELL IT. The sales were great under Hickman, and still sold well enough under Fraction. Even under Robinson, it sold better than most of Marvel's books sell these days.

>They go back to Legacy...
>Bendis totally makes up his own shit and ruins history of more characters he touches


They need mega autistic editors that will beat the hell out of any writer/artist doing bullshit that ruins continuity or character personality. That is my #1 issue with how things have been over the last 20 years.

>>91759005
Carol is the best, makes sense. Should be front and center instead of Steve though.

>>91759005
Hair is getting longer though. Come MVC release it will be long and we will get our megathigh queen back

>>91758993
It's Wolverine. They jsut spoiled it in their Marvel article.

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>>91757687
>>91757990

I remember when F4 ended and Future Foundation took its place. When F4 came back it was jumped up to 600 issues, having the FF issues counting towards it, and then FF continued as well. So those FF issues counted towards two ongoings.

>>91757641
>"embrace our roots and move enthusiastically forward"

So...I'm not the only one who sees this as an oxymoron, right?

>>91759058
What makes you think they would sell well now, then?

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Why even bother with SECRET EMPIRE, we all know its going to get reverted for this... just in time for the movies to push again

>>91758626
>>91758635

Marvel has a deal, rumored to be set in stone and legally irrevocable, that NO ONE. NO ONE can touch Miracleman until Neil Gaiman finishes the Silver and Dark Ages.

Also, Marvel will probably not touch on someone "corrupting" their universe given that A. They've explicitly stated Reed and Sue and the Future Foundation Kids are responsible for rebuilding creation following Secret War and B. it would mean admitting shit like Sam Wilson going SJW, Iceman going gay, Carol as Captain Marvel, Whor, Riri Williams, Miles Morales, American Chavez, Nazi Cap, Inhumans getting a free pass on trying to mutant genocide, One More Day, Superior Spider-Man, the O5 X-Men in the present, Miles Morales, Pymtron, etc were malicious acts by outside parties/ideas done explicitly to "harm" the Marvel Universe.

Ff is done. You might get a thing two in one book.

>>91757828
You clearly haven't been in a movie thread lately. Or an Injustice thread, or seen the mass shilling for Starwars on every board. D*sney interns have their hooks in deep, they just don't give a fuck about comics.

>no editorial plan
>no change-up of writers
Nnnope.

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>>91758635
>written by bendis

>>91758098
>P1 and P2 colors
Isn't Devil Dino too big to be in MvCI?

>>91759149
I mean, it's Marvel. They're so shameless and desperate for money even by corporate standards, and creatively bankrupt, that it's all plausible.

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>>91758281
>somehow no Jubilee,Jean, Iceman or Cable who have their own solos

I guess marvel continue with the x-men bs...

>>91758756
>Americans don't like because xenophobia of uk.
Do Britbongs actually believe this exists? Americans fucking love the UK.

>>91759132
Train wreck plus the notion that Secret Empire, give what we know, was most definitely rewritten to set up MMM, meaning that shit like undoing Pymtron and the return of the Classic Avengers will take place there.

>>91758281
>"Legacy"
>No Nova
You can fuck right off with that.

>>91759214
Wolverine is there. Storms up above.

Deadpool.

>>91759214
X-Men at this point, exist solely to offset the SJW cancer killing the Avengers line in terms of chemo drugs that provide much needed cash infusions to keep Marve alive while the SJW cancer kills off the non-X-Men and non-Spider-Man parts of the body.

>>91759175
They seriously need an editor that has MCU level control of all things that can specifically remember character history

>>91759214

They were planning on getting rid of the X-men and only made those titles to save face. If people complained as much they'd bring back the F4 as well.

>>91759241
Nova has his own book with Rich and Sam and it's great. I hope that it will last a-
>already cancelled at #7

Seriously though, they might have ignored Nova because they had their own "legacy" series going, but that is cancelled now

>>91758692
Aquaman is just a Namor ripoff

>>91759275
You mean She-wolverine.

>>91759304
Whos gonna know everything past 75 years?honestly rather have a soft reboot.

>>91759345
No actual wolverine.

You bigot.

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>>91759307
Yup, I have this poster on my wall... 2 venom yet NOT A SINGLE X-men or FF. Previously they were all on it

>>91757687
Oh yeah!
I can't wait to explain to people why Amazing Spiderman number 283 is succeeded with Amazing Spiderman 826. That's gonna be a fun and not at all convoluted and ultimately pointless conversation.

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>Marvel blatantly trying to copy DC Rebirth
>"L-look guys, all of your favorite characters are back"
>It's still literally just all the same people working on the books
>same artists who don't matter anyway
>same writers
>same editors
>same people in charge
God I hope people don't fall for this

>>91759028
meh, nowadays 10yo girls alre already thinking at the very least about sucking dick.

My mom is a school teacher and I know stories involving 12yo girls getting pregnant, scaping their home to live with 40 something dudes, drug related shit, you name it

>>91759346
There's got to be a person out there with editorial skills that has gone back and red like every back issue ever. I mean it wouldnt be that hard nowadays, you could literally find any issue you wanted online (for free) and read it in an instant

>>91759398

I noticed the extent when I bought Marvel Munchkin and it had everything except F4 and X-men. There were Inhumans and GotG.

>>91758281
YAAAS MY GIRL AMERICA IN THE TOP ROW

>>91759398
>Long Hair Carol

>>91757828
DC comics, sure. The DCEU? The fuck outta here, anon.

>>91759331
That was before they were even called Marvel Comics. Marvel's entire history is just copying what DC does, just doing it shittier.

>>91758281
>Thor, cap, Falcon and Peter look so tired of this shit
lol

>>91759455
>YAAAS MY GIRL AMERICA IN THE TOP ROW

Best girl on top!
Someone should storytime her comic to celebrate!

>>91759331
One for twenty, good job bud.

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>>91758993
>A Starlin Adam Warlock ongoing that had huge impact on the Marvel Universe could be in the offering.
They did that. And the big change died in his first appearance outside

Whatever force they use to bring back Cap will re-do the MU, watch

>>91758281
>the world outside your window
AND IT'S A WORLD OF DREAD AND FEAR

>>91758532
He sounds perfectly reasonable here. He's just saying people need to stop losing their shit about Secret Empire.

>>91759589
Maybe. A soft reboot could explain no hate for cap. And undead charazters.

But would they erase reed and sue?

Or hell maybe its a retro earth and modern earth thing.

And dead characters back.

>>91757641
>We're taking these characters FORWARD!
>Into the FUTURE!

>And by FORWARD, we actually mean "Exactly where these characters were 10 years ago

>While emphasizing the storied past of the Marvel Universe, the publisher is also mixing in newer characters as well.

aka Non-white male characters that are totally un-relatable to the readers

>>91758882
If that were true, Hulk wouldn't have needed to be relaunch so much.

>>91759412
>artists don't matter
Lemire's artists are the reason anyone buys his Marvel books

>>91759831
Hulk only sells if its smash or brains. Most hulks books today write him like a bogey man rarely in the book.

>>91759099
I'm counting Superior Spider-Man as part of the Amazing Spider-Man's numbers

>>91758098
Why are they dressing a 10 year old like a slut?
*-/*

>>91759058
To be fair, i never saw any promotion of the F4 (not just Hickman's run) in any form, anywhere. Which is a shame because now that Ive read the TPBs I see what i missed.

>>91758993
what i get from your posts, is mostly Marvel being stuck in his ways because of ego, and a refusal to pay good writers for their books. of those points, Id like to see Scott and Jean back, if only to see them confront each other and the desicions Scott made to save mutants. Jean would never approve of them, but the Phoenix would think different.

>>91757641
>50-page Marvel Legacy #1 one-shot
>MARBLE: R̶E̶B̶I̶R̶T̶H̶ HEROES REBORN 2.0!
IT'S HABBANING!

>>91759958
one of them is a slut, the other one enjoys sex like crazy but only with one partner at the time.

Two ideologies set to clash in the upcoming Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur

>>91759401
>That's gonna be a fun and not at all convoluted and ultimately pointless conversation.
Never fear, my autistic /co/mrade:
https://comicstore.marvel.com/All-New-All-Different-Marvel-Reading-Chronology-2017-1/digital-comic/43115

>>91758281

Is that Laura? Looks straight out of the 90's

>>91757641
if the current characters who are good are still relevant im in, im double in if they play them with them wanting their own names and costumes

The only way I'd really care about this would be if they got new, better writers.

>>91760254
This doesn't...

This isn't better.

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>>91758281

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>>91760256
>Is that Laura? Looks straight out of the 90's
Yeah: they went back to something more like the X-Force costume (minus the bare midriff).

Rebirth worked for me because they were putting interesting writers on books. I'm not really interested in Marvel's stable of writers. Lemire and Aaron are only good when they're writing independent books. Haven't been too impressed with Coates either.

>>91760315
>This isn't better.
I know: I was being sarcastic.

It's actually unintentionally hilarious on their part that they're fucked the continuity up so badly with the constant renumberings and re-titlings that they're literally needing to make a fucking guide so people can thread the needle.

>>91760254
>Marvel's numbering is so fucked with annual relaunches that they're putting out a guide to sort it out and likely validate their skeezy attempt to jump Action and Tec's milestones.
I hope this isn't what I think it is. But if Marvel somehow jumps ahead on the issue count of both Tec and Action, the title that started it all, then this is insulting not only to DC but the industry as a whole.

>>91760317
>>91758281

>All those blanks faces

Fucking Guess Who? has more expression than this.

>>91760432
>I'm not really interested in Marvel's stable of writers
Pretty much THIS. Right now it's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with Moar Bendis, Hopeless, Soule, Slott, et al.

Same shit, different day.

>>91760432

Rebirth worked for me because they felt sincere about their failings and wanting to please their fans. This is a shameless rip off

>>91757641
Yay Not!Rebirth with the same garbage writers from the past 3 years now. Fuck Marvel.

>>91758098
Please tell me those outfits are an edit.

>>91760448

As far as I know they have noting close to Action or Tec. It's less than a year until Action 1000 now thanks to double shipping

So is Mickey Mouse and other Disney characters gonna take Dr. Manhattans place for why Marvel now sucks?

>>91760468
>it's a mad world...

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>>91760532
>Please tell me those outfits are an edit.
Yup.

>>91757641
>>91757678
>Maybe people will like us again if we do everything DC did with Rebirth but without the interesting talent pool, focused retailer assistance, sincere apologetic stance toward our customers, and general building of goodwill!

>>91760506
This.

With Rebirth DC finally realized they fucked up and sincerely wanted to fix things so they sat down and thought out how to do it.

Legacy is Marvel spitefully looking at DC and saying YOU WANT THIS? FINE. HERE YOU GO.

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Is marvel going to fix ANY in pic related?
Or will they at least admit where in their practices they are fucking up?

No and no?
Then who cares.

It's going to be the same drivel they have now, just with a shiny new name.

Say what you want about Rebirth, whether it's good, bad, mediocre, etc. But at least DC admitted that they fucked up, tried to push smaller writers and get old writers back on characters where they thought they fitted, and actually have a two year direction they're heading towards.

>>91760532
Where do you think you are?

>>91760432
>a guy in Reddit lecturing me on how Coates' Black Panther is a fantastic masterpiece but you have to be really intelligent to see it.
>guy doesn't know the differences between "its" and "it's" or "you're" and "your".

>>91760641
Wah wahh boo hoo the story.

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>>91760656
>Reddit

Now just waiting for Marvel to announce that the books will be $2.99 and the first few issues will be returnable.

If they're going to copy they may as well go all in.

>>91760656
Ironically you don't have to be intelligent at all to get it. Marvel even made videos with Coates where he explains the plot and characters in Black Panther. It's impossible NOT to understand what it's about.

>>91760641

That last point makes me laugh since Marvel has been pushing diversity hard and now they want retailers to dress like Hydra? Nobody has a fucking clue what they're doing

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>>91760710

>Marvel
>$2.99 anything

>>91760710
HahH no.

The prices are 10 dollars

>>91760611
the moon girl on the right still looks like a non virgin

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>>91760710
>Now just waiting for Marvel to announce that the books will be $2.99

I honestly don't know why anybody reads Marvel anymore

>>91760834

To see the latest hilarious trainwreck like America

>>91760710
>Now just waiting for Marvel to announce that the books will be $2.99 and the first few issues will be returnable.
>Marvel
LEL Didn't you not get the word from the closed Marvel retailer summit that DC's current returnability policy and general customer and retailer first outlook is the fucking devil and leading to the decline of the industry?

>>91757641

Is this getting any positive press? All I'm seeing is laughter and people being pissed off

>>91757641
>Carol takes Kamala out to space to make her first skrull hunt

>>91757678
>starring Odinson
They just don't get it, huh

I know, I know, should be used to that by now, but I just can't understand so much idiocy.

>>91760881
Yeah it is.

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"You guys liked DC Rebirth right?"
>"Well what are you changing at Marvel?"
"Uhhhh... nothing? There's nothing wrong with our diverse initiative, you racist. Stop sending us death threats."

>>91760873

They really are the heroes. I hope every comic is $4.99 from now on

MAKE MINE YASS MARVEL SLAY!

>>91760935

Where? Post examples.

>>91760935

Got proof of that? I actually want to see how brain dead these people are

>>91758626
Responsible for what?

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>>91759442
Too bad, he's been dead for 2 decades.

>>91760938
Yea you'll enjoy their two non Thors and like it.

>>91761000
I've actually set out to read every cape comic made by marvel ever. Currently on Deadpool, I'll list what I've finished.

>Spider-Man
>Cap
>Thor
>Ant-Man
>X-Men
>Avengers
>Iron-Man
>Hulk

its taken me 2 years now, I started considering suicide about 9 months ago

>>91761000

Good thing he didn't live to see Spencer rehashing his stories but making them worse.

>>91759149
That actually sounds good.

>>91761062
>I've actually set out to read every cape comic made by marvel ever.

I hope you're lying. This is a complete waste of your life anon

>>91760989
>>91760992

Cbr and some bleedingcool. Rememver now, lotta people only want old costumes back. Not new writers.

>>91761140
I wish I was too anon

>>91760834
Because they have Ewing

>>91758993
Fantastic Four barely got any push from Marvel and they were selling about as well as any Marvel book that wasn't an event, Spider-man, X-men or Avengers.

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>>91757641
Putting aside the complaints people have already said - the blatant copying of Rebirth without any of the humility or sincerity - is there anyone at Marvel that can actually sell this as a good thing?

When Rebirth was first announced, Cereal Lord was coming into his own in the company and they put him front and center as the mascot for Rebirth. And that was a good move. Because everyone knows what a massive DCFag Johns is and at his heart he's basically just like anyone who regularly reads and is heavily into DC. So when he came on and said "Look, we fucked up but we're going to bring back the real DC." everyone had an idea of what was probably going to happen and everyone connected.

Who the fuck can Marvel put in front of this obvious glib facsimile? There is absolutely nobody at Marvel who can serve as the face of Legacy and endear themselves to the fanbase like Johns had.

Who at the current top of the power structure can do this? Alonzo? Quesada? Brevroot? Buckley? These fuckers are the ones that steered the ship into the iceberg in the first place and everyone hates them. Bendis? Slott?
Basically universally abhorred by regular readers they'd want to attract back. Waid? Spencer? Massive DCFags and regularly lash out at their former company because they'll never get to work on their characters again. Aaron? Ewing? Not big enough to make an impression.

Marvel has nobody. NOBODY to sell this as anything other than an insincere ripoff of Rebirth.

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How will he defend Legacy?

>>91758745
I am seriously expecting Miracleman to be the one behind everything.

>>91761449
I don't know if he'll be able to show is face if a two-title crossover in The Button outsells his linewide event.

>>91761367
Another problem is that Marvel will never admit they fucked up. So they can't really make anyone the face of the apology tour because there will no apology and no admission of any guilt whatsoever of their behalf.

>>91761460
Nah its the cube.

>>91761539
Its the fans fault. You bigots.

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>>91758853
Honestly, I'm a softy for this page.
For that big monologue in the very first page of the last issue of Moore's MiracleMan.
It's honestly beautiful in a weird way and makes me sad to see this kind of spirit isn't the driving force behind most Super-Hero Multiverses.

I remember when I first read the History Of the DC Universe, back in 2009 and thought how wonderful every little corner of the DCU seemed to be, like wonder and adventure were right around the corner for anyone that was willing to search for it.

A world where kids in school would be Taught about the epic battles between nazi mad scientists and drafted caped mystery man during history class.
Where the ruins of ancient magical civilizations could be visited for only a small entrance fee (Students pay only half!)
Where wonderful new tecnologys show just how truly vast the universe is and how wonderful that is, since that only means there is more to explore.
A world where people believe on each other, and know that every single individual in this world is inherently worth helping, regardless of who they are.

But know, I guess that would just be "too complicated" according to DC and Marvel is always obsessed with being "like the real world". Hope that this and Rebirth help change that.

>>91761621
Depends on the tone marvel goes with
Post fall.

>>91757641
>50 pages
Rebirth was 80 pages. They're 10 pages away from literally as opposed to their current figuratively half-assing this Rebirth ripoff.

>>91761724
80 pages and all I can remember is half dozen pages where Wally came back.

>Jesus, this is NOT DC Comics Rebirth (which has NOT been the success so many posters here are saying). There might be SOME similarities but there is a big, BIG difference. Marvel is embracing their long history. DC is embarrassed about theirs. Rebirth did NOT fix a thing.
Marvel must really want this to succeed if they're willing to pay the interns on a Saturday night.

>>91757678
>hearkening back to the glory days of Marvel starring Odinson

Still not going to call him Thor I see. Pass.

>>91761891
Did someone actually write all that?

>>91758343
> Wanda actually appearing in a Marvel comics poster.

I'm in shock.

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>>91760834
Because we want to hold hope that things will get better.

>>91758343
So see Wanda. Guess going to be on the Avengers? Who is the writer though bro?

That is what I want to know.

>>91761930
if we wanna go back to the glory days we gotta start calling him Donald Blake again

>>91759398
I only see 1 Venom.

>>91761478

I don't think that will happen unfortunately. To many variants

>>91761367

>Marvel has nobody. NOBODY to sell this as anything other than an insincere ripoff of Rebirth.

I'm waiting for them to rip off DC again and have the Avengers CAST hold up copies of Legacy #1 like they had the DCEU Trinity do with Rebirth

>>91762154
Bendis

>>91761891
>Marvel is embracing their long history. DC is embarrassed about theirs.

KEK! Where is this shit from?

>>91762447
Probably Reddit.

>>91761367
Aaron is writing Legacy, which is a good move from a basic quality standpoint. But yeah, it's not going to be like Johns writing Rebirth from a pure adoration of everything DC standpoint. And they aren't going to be shoving Aaron out front and center to explain what's going on with the company as a whole.

>>91762390
I remember thinking that was so lame at the time, but then Rebirth ended up being a rightful smash hit.

Maybe it'll work for Marvel.

>>91757641
So where are all the people who said Marvel doesn't need a Rebirth now?

>>91762391
Fuck you.

.....God no. Please for all that is holy, keep that bald shithead away from her.

>>91762515

Maybe. I wont be paying for it

>>91762564

They're in full damage control like >>91761891

>>91762579
Cmon now. Its a new era.

>>91758339
Let it go. They'll never come back again.
;_;

>>91762677
Not that anon but it hurts so bad

>>91761970
>>91762447
The newsarama article.

>>91757641
>>“The Marvel Legacy initiative is a celebration of everything that makes Marvel the best in fiction and it’s a signifier of a new era for Marvel Comics,” said Quesada. “It’s a loving look at the heart of Marvel as we embrace our roots and move enthusiastically forward with all the Marvel characters you know and love starring in the biggest, boldest, best Marvel stories. All of which kicks off with the giant Marvel Legacy special.”
>“The Marvel Legacy initiative is a celebration of everything that makes Marvel the best in fiction and it’s a signifier of a new era for Marvel Comics,” said Quesada. “It’s a loving look at the heart of Marvel as we embrace our roots and move Autistically forward with all the Marvel characters you know and love starring in the biggest, boldest, best Marvel stories. All of which kicks off with the giant Marvel Legacy special.” Better

>>91760256
I thought it was Logan wearing lipstick.

>>91762391

;_;

>>91761362
They need to make a Fantastic Powers book with a team consisting of Thing, the Human Torch, and Jack and Katie Power.

Julie can fuck off now that she's been ruined.

>>91761891

David Richard seems like a massive faggot

>>91762677
Fuck off the momento I read your comment a song that starts with ''let it go'' just started playing in the radio. I am a bit scared.

>>91760432
Lemire's runs on Animal Man and Green Arrow were great.

>>91761367
Is Spencer really that big of a DC fan?

>>91757678
>Moon Knight
Oh no, they've set their sights on him.
Those Netflix rumors, then the Legends figure, now this. He's gonna go back to Bendis, or worse, isnt he?

>>91768057
I don't think so these days. He used to write Jimmy Olson backups in Action Comics, and a T.H.U.N.D.E.R. series that continued longer than the sales expected it to. After that got cancelled and his Young Justice/Supergirl pitch was rejected and he rage quit

>>91768091
Worse than Bendis? What kind of evil is this?

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>>91757641
I just want the Fantastic Four back. At this point, I don't even care if they put Bendis on the book. It's just not fair the way they've been treated.

>>91768535
Hopeless, Rivera

>>91768710
I’d rather have no Fantastic Four than Bendis Fantastic Four.

>>91768732
Hopeless Land is the most aptonym creative team.

Marvel needs to fix Iceman. If they want a gay Bobby, they can let the time displaced one be gay since now it's been established that they're from an alternate universe.

>>91768780
This. Absolutely this. Oblivion is a better date than poor writing.

Marvel is fucking pathetic, and newsarama can lick my nuts

>>91768710
>I don't even care if they put Bendis on the book.

You sick sack of shit

>>91760254
>>91760315
>>91760448
>>91760442
They've done this before, though. They put out these guides every so often -- I know I've got a couple different ones that I picked up for free at my LCS over the years. Honestly, it makes perfect sense, and it's not (yet) an indication that they're gonna get super fucky with the numbering.

>>91760834

The same reason I continued to read DC when it stopped being enjoyable to me.

Because I believed it would eventually improve, and it did.

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>>91757641
Can I just have Mania in something? Like in a team book or as a supporting character in another character's book? Or hell maybe even a solo written by Cullen Bunn that'll be cancelled in six issues? Just something? Please?

>>91769984
>Or hell maybe even a solo written by Cullen Bunn that'll be cancelled in six issues?
Where she gets stood up by a shitty boyfriend?

>>91760432
honestly I felt that way about a lot of the Rebirth lineup at first. I was absolutely dreading guys like Humphries but even he managed to surprise everyone and turn in better then expect books.

I don't see the same thing happening with Marvel though; there is just helping guys like Bendis or Slott

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>>91770177
>Where she gets stood up by a shitty boyfriend?

Of course.

>>91770400
That's better art than about 1/3rd of Marvel right now.

>>91757678
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I would have preferred at least partial relaunch. This just sounds like a bunch of title renumbers that may or may not alienate all the people they raked in with all the previous relaunches. At the very least I am hoping a lot of books get axed and new stuff gets announced. I mean I am down to two Marvel books at this point and I am not one of those faggots that genuinly wants Marvel to fail

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Honestly all I want is for Rightclops to be back

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>>91758513
Sheee-it, Iron Chick is fuckin BUILT.

>>91761449
>*pauses, cocks head*
Why do I feel like punching everyone who writes shit like this.

>>91757641
>>91757678
This just sounds like the same stuff Marvel is doing just with a new coat and new #1s.

>>91757678
>This thing is going to cost $5.99 and not be returnable by retailers, isn't it?
10 bucks without counting the 3 dozen variants

>>91757641
Wow dc rebirth has been so good it's even made marvel better. Will the dc train ever truely stop when it keeps getting better.

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>>91758513

>>91759241
Sorry needed room for everyone's favourite genius moon girl
-love nick spencer

>>91757828
This. Fuck marlel

>Marvel """"Rebirth""""
>Slott still writing Spidey

>>91757641
>"bold new direction"
For fuck sake now what... what minority is gettin their costume, not their own character, just the costume. "Fuck off Lincoln we are the true feedom fighters"

>>91761367
They will shuffle Stan lee out onto the stage. He will hold up a copy and say excelsior and a bunch of marvel fags will cream their pants and buy twenty copies each.

>>91760834
only for free
I would never give money to marvel

>>91761143
>Cbr
>The Shill central
oh for fuck sake

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>>91775960
pic related

>>91775787
THIS seriously THIS

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>>91762314
Secret Empire #0 will likely beat The Button in sales because it was also included in the Funko Marvel Collector Corps box recently.


https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/20/unboxing-funkos-guardians-galaxy-vol-2-marvel-collectors-corps-box-spoilers/

If you recall, books that got included in the Marvel Collector Corps boxes got sales boosts on the chart.

Dr. Strange and the Sorcerers Supreme #1 was included in the Dr. Strange box last year:

10/16 Dr Strange Sorcerers Supreme #1 - 149,710
11/16 Dr Strange Sorcerers Supreme #2 - 29,349 (-80.4%)

Ant-Man #5 was included in the Ant-Man box two years ago:

01/15 Ant-Man #1 – 73,370
02/15 Ant-Man #2 – 40,192 (-45.2%)
03/15 Ant-Man #3 – 37,139 (- 7.6%)
04/15 Ant-Man #4 – 31,637 (-14.8%)
05/15 Ant-Man #5 – 83,095 (+162.7%)

Amazing Spider-Man #16 was included in Funko's box last August:
06/16 Amazing Spider-Man#14 - 65,646 (+ 0.2%)
07/16 Amazing Spider-Man#15 - 93,582 [+5,588]
08/16 Amazing Spider-Man#16 - 185,342
08/16 Amazing Spider-Man#17 - 74,869

So if you see Secret Empire #0 high on the chart, possibly looking like it's outperforming Batman and Flash, it's not a surprise. What would be a surprise if it did badly enough that Batman and Flash got more orders, but I doubt it.

so are they finally going to acknowledge that sin's past is canon?

>>91776730
Of course it is, as long as quesada is there and proud of being a NTR lover.

>>91768710
see this attitude is why they keep shoveling shit towards their fans
>just give me title I don't care who you put on it
disgusting

>>91768710
I know it was like 12 years ago, but the Bendis/Millar (Millar plot, Bendis script) arc on Ultimate FF was actually pretty great. I doubt he could recapture that, considering he can't write Spider-man nearly as well as he used to, but hey -- maybe?

>>91768710
>At this point, I don't even care if they put Bendis on the book.

You are either Bendis or someone at Marvel trying to help Bendis push the idea of Bendis on FF, I guess.

>>91757641
the same writers ? and just to put the new shit that don't sell with the old characters? Hey! America Chavez with Capitan America? I'm out . plz focus on the MCU and all the other shit. If I were them I just close all the comics for at least a year. Nobody cares about the comics and they don't know what to do with them since 10 years ago.

>>91768710
>At this point, I don't even care if they put Bendis on the book.

Your in luck. He's openly said on his tumblr that he wants to write them.

>>91758281
How come the Spider-Men get the "half mask/half face" thing?

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>>91757641
Honestly, even if I believed them (I don't) I wouldn't care. They've killed all interest I've had in superheroes. Books, films, games: doesn't matter.

>>91779720
It's their way of showing that they're "going back to their roots".

>>91761166
Why doing this to yourself?

>>91759398
>I have this poster on my wall

Fucking WHY?

>>91776670
We'll see Champions also was supposed to be #1, but it got beaten.

>>91761367
They don't because they think YOU are the problem. Not their fault white nazi bigots refuse to buy their books. That's how far up the ass their heads are.

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>>91757678
>epic storylines hearkening back to the glory days of Marvel starring...
>America Chavez

>>91758513
Of course she's smarter than them. They're dead.

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>>91761367
Would help if they stopped doing stupid shit

>>91781532
Imagine being so buttblasted over fictional villains.

>>91781532
Without knowing exactly what Marvel asked them to do, it sounds like that LCS is being a BIT overly sensitive here.

>>91781532
Isn't the whole point that in the event the bad guys are finally at power and thus heroes HAVE to be heroes?

Doing that would mean pretty much a message against the current systema.

Wait, now THAT makes sense, they're upset about how they feel now as part of the problem, isn't it?

>>91762011

And some hope that she'll be back in the classic costume at last.

>>91781858
>heroes HAVE to be heroes
Is not Captain America the most heroic hero of all Marvel´s heroes?

>>91757641
>>“The Marvel Legacy initiative is a celebration of everything that makes Marvel the best in fiction and it’s a signifier of a new era for Marvel Comics,” said Quesada

The fuck? I was at this panel. Quesada wasn't even there. Why are they quoting him?

Chris D'Lando was there, not Joe Quesada. Whoever wrote this report is an idiot.

>>91783674
>what are press releases?

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>Marvel
>the best in fiction

>>91783795
Those quotes come from Chris D'Lando during the panel, though. He said them. But they're being attributed to Quesada. Its just flat out wrong.

>>91759412
>same editors
>editors
>at Marvel

If it's Miracleman I think I will literally die laughing when I read the issue.

>>91760560
Id read it

>>91758098
>Marvel tries to pander to SJWs.

>They get pedophiles instead.

>>91780717
It got beaten that month because Boom had a deal with Lootcrate to include Big Trouble in Little China #1 which really boosted their orders. I don't know if any newly released comic got included with Lootcrate recently or not. If they didn't include one, then I'd expect Secret Empire to get the top spot. If they did include one then there's a really slim chance it could beat it.