Watchmen/DC Rebirth

Moore tried to warn us

https://youtu.be/mKgblaifX1s?t=58s

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>>91723373
>desecrating Watchmen
It's not some untouchable sacred cow. At the end of the day, it's a comic book. A good one, but senpai this shit just ain't that drastic.
You can talk all day about how Watchmen is a parody/satire of superhero comics, but both Moore and Gibbons made many of those comics. They aren't above it, and neither is Watchmen.
It helps that most of the writing in the Rebirth books are actually pretty good.

Ok, OP. Ok. Just wait a few mounts and you will read your Make Mine All New Marvel Legacy/Generations by Bendis #1.

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>>91723373

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>>91723373
>greatest graphic novel ever written

>>91723373
It's not "shoved in" anything and Watchmen always takes place in the Bleed of the DCU because DC published it.

You sound like a dumb fucking casual. It's the same thing as DC using Red Son Superman.

I do find revisiting Watchmen incredibly tiresome but hey, DC got the rights.

>>91723373
Because we all talked about this to death a year ago when Rebirth first started you casual

DC fans let them get away with everything. They are probably going to make Batman kick Manhattan's ass for some reason.

>>91723474
>It's not some untouchable sacred cow.
>It's the same thing as DC using Red Son Superman.
Not really. You're disgracing an incredible and complete story when you revisit it. I can understand doing it for sales but let's not pretend this is anything other than a black mark for every creator involved in it. Nobody is going to write something on the level of Watchmen in this so the best you can hope for is something which doesn't shit on it and its legacy too badly.

I found the 9 panel grids in the first issue desperate and insulting. I hope the writers artists and editors didn't feel pleased with themselves in any way for that. I can just about accept this as a marketing gimmick but fuck.

>>91723373
Watchmen isn't a Graphic Novel.

>>91723373
>best graphic novel ever written
>"graphic novel"
>"desecrating"
Just because it's very good and very popular doesn't make it a holy text, man.

>>91723509
>It's the same thing as DC using Red Son Superman.
Or KC.

>>91723477
He'd be right to be skeptical.

I think they're taking Watchmen's incorporation in a decent direction, but DC did give us Before Watchmen.

It's important to remember that we're all comic fans, and console war shitflinging is stupid. Deflecting criticism as "the other company" is pointless.

>>91723373

I'm with you OP, this is fucking stupid beyond words.

But, it's cape comics in 2017 so this is just kind of par for the course. Nothing means anything anymore in comics. Just buy it and shovel some shit in your brain.

>>91723373
>graphic novel
>best ever written
>deconstruction
there's a lot to be annoyed at here

>>91723373
It's OK when DC does it

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How long until pic related happens?

>>91723601
>You're disgracing an incredible and complete story when you revisit it.
You're being way too dramatic. They're not changing the original story, it's still there. Buy it, read it, nothing DC does now is going to change what you hold in your hands. This isn't the damn bible.
Frankly, Watchmen has been very overhyped. I love it and read it a lot but it isn't on some higher level than the rest of the comics industry. Get over yourself.

>>91723373
It is very much self aware. Watchmen boils down to

>dude, capeshit sucks lmao

Rebirth is all about reigniting a little bit of the earnest superhero stuff back into DC. Basically giving the finger to what Moore's story preached. I don't know about the execution, it's too early to tell, but the idea of it is sound.

>>91723373
I wouldn't say Watchmen is a parody m8.

>>91723677
It is a deconstruction tho.

>>91723601
Kek are you really fucking stupid enough to think Watchmen is the only comic to use the 9 panel grid. The more you talk the more you show you don't know shit.

I bet Watchmen is one of maybe five comics youve ever read.

>>91723509
Red Son Superman is still Superman. Watchmen doesn't have any DC main characters.

>>91723373

Because it's Okay If DC Does It.

DChads, guys! LOL!

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>>91723373
>I'm honestly confused why people aren't in an uproar about this.


Some are.

Others just have shit taste, thing is, nothing is a sacred cow, i'm mad that Johns, a hack that is mentally ill is doing an executive ordered event with very limitated writers.

You need people like morrison involved, not the guy that gave us pic rlated

>>91723708
>It is very much self aware. Watchmen boils down to
>>dude, capeshit sucks lmao
You're an idiot.

>>91723708
Watchmen is both
>superheroes don't work in a "realistic" setting
and
>look how awesome comics are as a storytelling medium

>>91723733
They primary cast is exclusively based directly on Charlton characters owned by DC.

You know this.

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>>91723601
>3x3 grid is a sacred cow now
is this what hell feels like

>>91723691
Oh shit, it would got nicely.

>>91723733
Are you retarded? That are just Elseworld versions of DC characters. Moore wanted to use DC characters and DC said just make it take place on another earth.

I swear the only people who act like this about Watchmen are babies first comic readers. I've owned a physical copy of the book since long before the movie came out and this doesn't bother me in the slightest.

>>91723753
Sure, but it's not the same. They are not Charlton comics earth 2.

>>91723373
Yall faggots take your baby books too seriously.

>>91723373
>take the best graphic novel ever written
Already wrong by a long shot. Kill yourself Moore.

>>91723720
Are you really such a dreadful ignorant cunt that you'll argue the repeated use of the 9 panel grid in the last Batman issue was NOT intended to reference Watchmen? That's an impossible argument to take in good faith.

>>91723693
>You're being way too dramatic. They're not changing the original story, it's still there. Buy it, read it, nothing DC does now is going to change what you hold in your hands. This isn't the damn bible.
I agree, but you have to consider the mindset of revisiting it which is: good for sales, but creatively very ugly.
>Frankly, Watchmen has been very overhyped.
I agree.
>I love it and read it a lot
I don't know about love it but I certainly admire and appreciate it a lot.
>but it isn't on some higher level than the rest of the comics industry.
It literally is. There's like 1% of 1% of cape comics stuff that might sit alongside Watchmen. And honestly Moore puts a comic together better than the vast majority of non-cape comics writers too.

>>91723795
They essentially are.

>>91723820
I doubt Moore even thinks Watchmen is his best work, let alone the best """"""""""graphic novel""""""""""""

>>91723740
Nice retort, fag.

>>91723753
Its not. But keep reading wikipedia, it's not the same, this isnt watchmen 2, this is Johns presents: shitty event with Manhattan as a gimmick

>>91723781
It's not about 3x3 itself. It's about using that here for the shilling of a book off of Watchmen's reputation.

>>91723831
Just stop.

>>91723373
>take the best graphic novel ever written
It isn't even Moore's best work, buddy.

>>91723733
>>91723753
>>91723795
>>91723795
There's something painfully ironic about people crying that DC is using the Watchmen characters, while they themselves were just knockoffs of existing Charlton characters.
Talk about self-awareness lmfao

>>91723831
They are not filthy casual.

>>91723373
>I've only been on /co/ for two months, the thread

>>91723847
did you whine when Tom King blatantly referenced Watchmen's page structure in Omega Men?

>>91723884
That dude has no fucking clue what Omega Men is. It's a retard that saw Watchmen in HS and thinks it's the Holy Grail.

>>91723373
Learn the difference between an ogn and a mini series

>>91723884
Was Omega Men sold on the back of Watchmen's legacy? Can you point me where Dr. Manhattan appears? Is it on that double page explosion spread in issue 9?

If you cannot actually understand the words you read don't bother responding to my posts. Try reading >>91723847 again and see if you get it right this time.

>>91723855
What is it, them? i'm not trolling.

>>91723915
>I'm going to assume you're acting in bad faith so I don't actually have to argue with you!
Just going to direct you to >>91723918 too

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>>91723884
Nothing bad about that or watchmen 2.

Even moore asw interesed in that, pic related, it already existed and ws great, but it wasnt just a selling gimmick.

>>91723925
everyone is going to give you a different answer, but I like Swamp Thing

>>91723867
They literally are just reworked Charlton Characters. You got Captain Atom as Manhattan, Peacemaker as Comedian, Question as Rorschach, Blue Beetle as Nite-Owl, Thunderbolt as Ozymandias, Nightshade as Silk Spectre.

>>91723925
I get more out of Swamp Thing and a lot of the ABC books.

>>91723373
>take the best graphic novel ever written
>Watchmen
>the best graphic novel ever written
Stop with the OH IT'S SO INTELIGENT bullshit, Watchmen is garbage and so is Alan Moore
Even the fucking movie was better, i'm angry that they're putting this shit into muh comics but it's because even 90's garbage was better than Watchmen

>>91724144
If you think Alan Moore is garbage, who do you think that writes comics is good (English language comics)?

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>>91723966
Kek Manhattan hasn't appeared, this isnt sold on the "back of Watchmen" it's sold on the back of Wally West. They also stated this will never be a JL vs Watchmen type deal. My God have you even read the comic you are bitching about? You sound so God damn dumb just stop talking.

>>91724144
now this is shitposting

>>91724144
>>91723373
Two sides of the same terrible coin.

>>91723373
>take the best graphic novel ever written
I don't understand how All-Star Superman relates to Rebirth

>>91724179
Dave Sim

NOT self aware? Take a step back
So in the grand meta
>Watchmen hits, sells like hotcakes, around the same time DKR hits, more hotcakes.
>Why hotcakes?
Pick a reason: tremendous story, capeshit sucks, dope art, regular shit too cheesy, too happy, gritty enough and brutal, etc
OHH...we get it now!
>Begin the late 80's-late 90's downhill slope of PURREE EEDDGGEE
Hey guys, why no hotcakes? We're cranking out new #1's new gritty heroes, covered in edges. What gives?
>Early 2000's arrive, and with it, Ultimate Marvel and The Crises... Batman Begins... new realizations...
GUYS! They didn't want NEW stuff! They want the entire status quo grimmed up, also darken that grim boi.
>Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, some bullshit, Flashpoint
Okay guys, check it out...uhhh...we're gonna...uhh..TAKE 10 YEARS AWAY..soooo uhh...refreshingly dark stories..?
>......Nu52.....oh - oh no...
GUYS NO HOTCAKES WHAT DO WE DO?
We need to undo this thing, without admitting we were wrong....christ how did we get into this mess? What started this? (looks up)
Guys I have an idea...but we're gonna need to steal Morrison's playbook, Moore's material, and...dare I say it....optimistic writers.

>The entire reason for comics getting this bitter and cynical tonally, for the last 20-some-ought years, is Watchmen. Now that will LITERALLY BE CANON

>>91724185
Oh, OK. So this won't involve Dr. Manhattan or Watchmen?

>>91724230
So you think 1 guy is better than Alan Moore, and Alan Moore is garbage?

>>91723594
>They are probably going to make Batman kick Manhattan's ass for some reason.

False, Flash is gonna be the one to kick Manhattan's ass

>>91724272
Yea

>>91723691
>spectroarscach on manhattan
>not on Adrian
pffffffffff

>>91724238
this is a pretty reductive view of the last 30 years

>>91724324
Feel free to add a few milestones, but yeah I was going for brief

>>91724238
>Hey guys, why no hotcakes? We're cranking out new #1's new gritty heroes, covered in edges. What gives?

Beyond shit like Bloodlines, DC didn't really do that much EDGE in the 90's.

>>91724382
Vertigo isn't edgy. My life is a lie.

>>91723601
Go back to the A.V. Club Sava.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z36Xadupn5c

>>91723373
>the guy who what all over Lovecraft, James Bond, Moriarty and Harry Potter because he didn't like them
>complaining about people using his work in ways he didn't want

Moore has no right to complain the faggot. He's a great writer but he did the same thing to others. Also, I think using Dr. Manhattan as the reason behind DC New 52 is an inspired choice and one of the few ways you could justify a reboot in a somewhat nonshitty manner.

Manhattan even screwing it up is in character.

>>91724230
Dave Sim pls go.

>>91724365
Sales didn't really decline until Marvel literally crashed the industry, caused thousands of comic stores to close, and basically handed Diamond a distribution monopoly. The content of the comics had little to do with sales.

>>91724469
*shat

>>91724416
"for mature audiences"!=edgy

>>91723601
Calm down Alan

>>91723474
>>91723693

This is the truth.

If you don't like Rebirth, go back to reading Watchmen.

OP is just butthurt because people enjoy things he's too pretentious to enjoy.

>>91724530
Not in /co/'s strange world.
Although I guess it makes sense that a board that mainlines pre-school cartoons would have a fucked up frame of reference.

>>91723708
Sometimes I forget why people call Watchmen 'deep' as, while still being interesting and a good read, it doesn't seem so to me, but then people like you remind me why and remind me what a lot of people out there are like.

Thank you, retardanon.

>>91724530
>>91724549


This is the manchildren board, there's a good reason why Johns is so popular.

>>91724617
liking Geoff Johns>>>>>liking MLP/SU etc

>>91724617
>This is the manchildren board
isn't that every board

except maybe /lit/ I guess

>>91724144
Stop fucking being contrarian for the sake of it, is it so fucking hard to admit that something that is generally considered good by most people is actually good?

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>>91723373
>best graphic novel ever written

>>91724649
>something that is generally considered good by most people is actually good
These two things don't really say anything.
The average person is not very smart/exceptionally smart.

>>91723373
Comic book fans often side with the industry instead of the authors. Also they're feud with Moore because he said mean things about capeshit

Is hating Watchmen the new cool kids meme?

>>91723373
>I'm honestly confused why people aren't in an uproar about this.
Because Before Watchmen already happened, and I already spent all the rage I could back then.

Now? Now it's time to shit. Bitch to be you now.

>>91723617
KC Supes was in Convergence

>>91724736
he was in JSA well before that

>>91723373
The original Watchmen will be literally unchanged by this the same wy it was unchanged by Before Watchmen. DC isn't George Lucas, they won't burn the original copies and only release Watchmen editions edited to fit Rebirth/Before Watchmen

So fuck off

>>91724754
Case in point
Nothing is "sacred"

>>91724809
Why should it be? That'd be like saying the double cheeseburger is sacred how dare Mcdonalds make the triple cheeseburger.

It's a product owned by the company. They can do whatever they want with it and it doesn't hurt the original. The only people bitching about this don't read DC. The Multiverse has always been a pillar of their universe.

>>91724809
Except Alex Ross co-wrote that you fucking idiot.

>>91724721
Yep. Just like how completely misunderstanding it was a meme in the 90's.

>>91724791
It's still confusing as fuck for new readers, Johns. Stop making excuses for your fanwanking.

>>91724246
It has nothing to do with the Watchmen. Manhattan hasn't shown up yet and probably only will at the end. I doubt anyone else will show up except him and maybe Ozymadias and it won't be some brawl. It'll be more a philosophical battle and convincing Manhattan what he did was wrong.

Think Flex Metallo.

>>91724916
referencing one of them most widely read comics of all time is confusing as fuck?

>>91724916
>for new readers
boo hoo

>>91724916
pandering to new readers is what killed Marvel this time

>>91723373
>>I'm honestly confused why people aren't in an uproar about this.
Because I'm not convinced that Manhattan is the big bad here, and what I think the morel over the entire Rebirth storyline is something actual fans of Watchmen and probably Alan Moore are going to agree withAt least that's my speculation anyway

>>91724530
content that would pander to adults, excessive sex, drugs, swearing, violence, death. As well as cliches like anti-heroes, and posturing voice overs about the meaning of the purpose of the choice of the meaning of life...YEAH dude, that's classic edge.

>>91725043
And now- what's wrong with edge?

>>91723474
>but both Moore and Gibbons made many of those comics. They aren't above it, and neither is Watchmen.

I wish I could find the interview again from the late 80s - where Moore says basically this. At the height of the flurry of Watchmen popularity, he mentions that - of course there could be potential for a sequel or an early story about the Minutemen. They even wrote new material for the Watchmen roleplaying game.

So anyone thinking that Moore was above doing more Watchmen stuff at the time is just wrong. While his attitude over time has changed, he was just as seduced by the story's potential as everyone else was.

>>91723373
>Watchmen is muh sacred cow
>I hate superheroes so this thing about how bad superheroes are is the best superhero thing ever written

How to spot a Redditor.

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>>91723373
>the best graphic novel ever written

>>91725090
saved

>>91725082
Nothing in small choice well executed doses, but you can't listen to every Blink 182 album in a row.

>>91725043
Edgy means nothing anymore, retards like you have ruined it.

>>91724942
>the Watchmen
You are part of the problem.

>>91723373
>with absolutely no self-awareness
Yeah, you read comics that aren't on fucking google searched "top ten graphic novels".

>>91724538
This is accurate.

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>>91723373
>that comic my professor made me read as an undergrad is SACRED

you take your funny books way too seriously

>>91725119
No no - Avenged Sevenfold

>>91723601
>You're disgracing an incredible and complete story when you revisit it.

This is always what it comes down to. People who don't read comics go into fits of autistic screeching at the notion of continuity because they don't want to read more than they have to. They want everything wrapped up in a bow because they don't want to ever think about something again after reading it.

>>91725150
>>that comic my professor made me read as an undergrad
?
Do they read Watchmen in college?

>>91724629
This is also extremely accurate.

More accurate if you replace MLP with 90% of the cartoons posted about on /co/.

>>91725120
Please expound

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>>91725144
>search for Top 10 Alan Moore
>get a bunch of listicles
I don't know what I expected

>>91725150
Sauce

>>91725126
Says the guy who probably torrented Watchmen and doesnt even own a physical copy.

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>>91725002
Give me my money G. Johns, this isn't a game you or anyone can win by waiting out the planetary clock. Did Lego Batman's Alfred really not sell that? I get my money, you get better material within and without, not that you weren't ready to read that. Extra temporally, so to speak, whadda ya say? We'll even take a vacation to Hawaii , maybe take in the tanned broads. Take some time to talk of many things and all that. Inb4 confused anons
>>91725183
It's overused and by this point, reference material. That's all ya get right now.

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this was much worse and none give a shit

>>91723474
Watchmen was untouchable, until the movie came out. After that, people were more willing to re-imagine it, and give other creative teams a chance with the characters.

>>91725103
Fuck off feijoadafag.

>>91725169
>they don't want to read more than they have to.
A complete story can actually be read into, which requires real effort.

Indefinite continuity promotes the spirit of absolutely ignoring what happened before, specially when it's all an inconsistent mess.
And that's inevitable when you have something running for 70 years+.

People who chant "nothing is sacred" in these situations will exclaim their own autistic screeches whenever something they actually care about suffers the same fate.

It's a pointless thing to say in any debate about change.

>>91723691
I could see a Doctor Fate reveal. Dr. Fate takes of his mask, and Walter is his face.

>>91725273
That never happened.
It doesn't exist. You had a fever dream, and made some fan-art Anon.

because DC fans are retards who will worship anything their shitty company puts out

What Rebirth book is the most relevant?

>>91723691
Doc has this. Spectre is just the wielder of a portion of a made-up-being's powers.

>>91725364
relevant to what? The Watchmen storyline? Titans, the Superman Reborn crossover, and the current Batman/Flash crossover

>>91724290
>False, Flash is gonna be the one to kick Manhattan's ass

I don't care so long as it isn't Batman or Hal.

>>91725356
THIS THIS THIS

DShit is fucking cancer while based Marvel is providing some of the greatest stories I've ever read.

>>91723373
Most of the emotional energy was spent on the Before Watchmen backlash, but it apparently made enough for the Execs to push this.

>>91725170
depends on the teacher

I've seen Watchmen and Maus in college bookstores

>>91725225
It was from here IIRC

its been like years

>>91724290
>Flash or Batman
>Not The Question

>>91725501
well that'd be weird considering how absent the Question has been since Convergence

I realise it's invariably going to be terrible, but I'd like to have the conversation about it being terrible once it's actually happened and has been terrible, so we can get at the precise nature of the ways in which it was terrible. We don't even know where this nonsense is actually going yet. Back last year people were fapping over the idea of "Dr. M represents the bad edgy comics that caused the new 52, we have to symbolically overcome him so we can go back to hope, joy and love!" which sounds like the sort of utter bullshit I'd love to really rip the piss out of, but right now there is nothing to go on.

>>91725464
Please expound on these fantastic stories. Clearly you're referring to AMERICA, and ASM, and Nova, and Champions, and The Ultimates?

>>91725751
>shit-talking Nova and Ultimates
consider suicide

>>91725609
This might be the most Reddit post I've seen today.

>>91723739

Out of context: Does anyone has more of this series of memes. Thanks in advance.

>>91725464
Or are you referring to Civil War 2, or Thor - either really both are tremendous letdowns.

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>>91723373
>best graphic novel ever written

>>91725776
Can't defend those other fantastic stories? But I'll defend sam before he got his dad back, not since.

>>91725848
the current Nova series is one of Marvel's best right now

shame it got cancelled

>>91723373
because its fucking hilarious

>>91723373
Don't try to reason with Rebirthfags, every DC fan capable of critical thinking bailed back in NU52 apparently.

Remember when DC used to be the more discerning fan base? I remember it used to be a stereotype that DC fans were never happy with what DC was doing. Now they just praise whatever they do.

>>91725869
Great. But those others? Nothin? That's okay, you were probably talking about Xmen Gold, or Xmen Blue, or Royals, right? Are THOSE the good ones too?

>>91725933
Just because I can acknowledge Marvel has some good comics right now doesn't make me a blind fanboy like you seem to be

>>91725933
Royals is alright. I have faith in Ewing.

>>91723373
Speaking of Rebirth did we ever learn anything else about Diana's "Brother"?

>>91725984
I just spent a giant comment making fun of DC and how hopefully this in conjunction with Rebirth will right a ship. You follow up DShit and cancer with "best stories" from "based Marvel" You haven't named one aside from Nova which I agree is good. RNV is also good but none of the lines I mention above aren't worth it, man. MAYBE 2 issues of Ult's

>>91726064
I thought I'd be enjoying it more, but I'm really not feeling it, or the art.

>>91723373
Because money

>>91726121
>based Marvel
different anon who was definitely baiting. And you took it hook line and sinker

>>91723373
But /co/, you're supposed to hate Moore. I mean, he is a cape traitor, isn't he?

>>91723691
Ostrander or gtfo

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>implying it wasn't pic related's idea

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After reading up on Twilight of the Superheroes, Moore deserves everything and worse that is happening to """"his"""" characters.

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>>91726270
Multiversity Too FUCKING WHEN?

>>91726113
never because Cucka is off the book and new writer will not care

>>91726328
This.
/co/ overuses the word edgy in an extreme degree (I don't even think Zack Snyder's movies are particularly edgy) and even I think Twilight of The Superheroes was edgy.

>>91725034
Hit me up with your theory

>>91723925
From Hell
potentially Providence, but too early to say

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>>91726328
>mfw every time someone attempts to go "w-well Moore did something that was just as bad!!/worse!!", it never actually is

>>91726440
t. hasn't read the Twilight of The Superoheroes pitch
Oh it shows.

>>91726440
>it never actually is
>Question investigating the bondage-themed murder of someone who turns out to be Billy Batson
c'mon son

Enjoy Watchmen for what it is, don't connect it to Rebirth.

Enjoy Rebirth for what it is, it doens't change what happened in Watchmen.

>>91726505
(not that guy btw)
Not gonna lie, i'd like for this to have gotten made, even if the whole thing does sound ridiculously obscene.

>>91723373

Watchmen wouldn't exist without superheroes like Batman, so tough shit if people don't like it.

Moore doesnt give a shit about the DC characters.
Neither should we care about his creations.

>>91726545
I would've too, if it was an elseworld or something, not a "possible future" for main DCU

>>91726597
>possible future
>ever anything but an Elseworld

>>91726597
This was after Watchmen right?
Why didn't they greenlight it?

>>91723373
>Comic fans complain about muh SJWs and other bullshit incessantly, yet DC is desecrating Watchmen and no one seems to give a shit.
The more surprising thing is how people were going apeshit about Before Watchmen despite having some relly good creators announced but this rape from Geoff Johns is ok.

>>91726416
Providence is over though

>>91726632
yeah, but i gotta digest it for a few years to see if it holds up

>>91726270
Nah, I think he was asked to work on Before Watchmen but refused. He thinks highly of Moore's work despite not thinking highly of the man. And even if he doesn't love Watchmen he said that it's a compete work and should be left like that.

>>91726616
Before Watchmen was also shit

what bits of Rebirth that have touched on the Watchmen plot have been pretty good so far

>>91726657
>he was asked to work on Before Watchmen but refused. He thinks highly of Moore's work despite not thinking highly of the man.
based

>>91726466
>>91726505
He pitched a story about an edgy future endpoint of the DC universe. It didn't go through. The entire ideological foundation which suggests this makes it karmically okay or whatever for DC to hackishly exploit his work for free coins is entirely out of whack.
File under:
>but the Watchmen characters were based on Charlton characters!
>but he used other people's characters for League! He did a mean parody of harry potter :,(
>but he did Lovecraft fanfic!
All just really lame attempts at somehow papering over the badness of this.

>>91726781
wew lad
He wrote the pitch. Period. No way around it.
>disregarding things that don't fit your narrative

>>91726571
I don't give a shit about DC characters either.

>>91726812
>A pitch that wasn't even released

You guys must suffer from some advanced autism.

>>91723691
If Watchmen started off in the mainstream DCU, this is actually a perfect phase for Rorschach to go through.

>>91723373
>take the best graphic novel ever written
DC's doing something with Martha Washington?

>>91727487
Not really. He was ready to die unlike Jimbo who was telling God he was a retard for not taking care of criminals.

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>>91723373
Watchmen isn't even Moore's best work. That title belongs to Providence, a work set in another writer's world and using another writer's characters.
Plus it's not like it's the Watchmen becoming major players in the DCU. It's more like the aftershocks of Watchmen showing through to Rebirth. I guarantee you there won't be a Watchmen ongoing any time soon, calm your fat titties.

>>91723373
>I'm honestly confused why people aren't in an uproar about this.

Because people were in uproar over Before Watchmen. At that point everyone who felt morally obligated sensibly stopped reading DC books while the mentally deranged called for a boycott of all creators involved, including the ones who did the variants.

So far with Rebirth the usage has been minimal. Regardless I'm not picking up this crossover.

>>91723733
This is the dumbest criticism ever.

>>91726812
>He wrote the pitch. Period. No way around it.
Yes, and? He used his imagination to come up with a new sequence of comics involving long-running DCU characters. It could have involved Supes raping a dog and it still wouldn't have constituted the same level of corporate fuckery as DC has been pulling with Watchmen, I'm sorry to tell you this.

When is Morrison coming back?

>>91727872
when he gets bored with Heavy Metal

>>91727872
>implying he's not at the very least cooking up ideas for M2 as we type
I have a feeling he doesn't want to be left out of this story, either.

>>91727872
Whenever his next OGN comes out

>>91723373
>>take the best graphic novel ever written
Watchmen is schlock garbage that started the trend of 2edgy4u WHAT IF SUPERHEROES WERE REAL and deserves to be trodden upon in any way possible.

>>91725170
Yeah. I took Graphic Novels as one of my two Lit geneds, and we read watchmen among other things. I liked the class, it expanded my image of western comics. There was some great stuff in there.

>>91727872
>>91727923
>>91727927
>>91727989
Multiversity Too, the Flash story, is his next thing right?
Is there going to be a WW E2 volume 2?

>>91725751
Please don't fall for obvious false-flagging. Make him work a little harder for his (you)s.

>>91726658
>Before Watchmen was also shit
So is this, except the art is worse.

>>91728112
I remember hearing somewhere that he won't be going back to Wondy. Shame, that story had promise.

>>91728112
I think WWE1 did so well they changed up the schedule, E1 volume 2 is next as far as I know

Although it probably all comes down to which artist finishes first, though

>>91723823
>>but it isn't on some higher level than the rest of the comics industry.
>It literally is. There's like 1% of 1% of cape comics stuff that might sit alongside Watchmen.

This is why I'm not mad. The insufferable pretentiousness of the average Watchmenfag has earned them this. It's satisfying to see something fall off when its pedestal gets too high.

>>91723823
Watchmen isn't even Moore's best cape work

>>91728224
I mean... the guy clearly isn't a watchmenfag but whatever. You're probably a retard that thinks Johns, Waid, Rucka, Bendis and Jurgens are legendary writers.

>>91728288
One of those people is not like the others

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>>91728332
Yeah, Rucka, Johns, Waid, and Bendis have at least produced something in the general area of good

>>91728563
>Bendis
Fuck, I wanna refute this, but Powers is a pretty good story. Lots of his repeating panels bullshit, though.

>>91725265
>respecting the writer's wishes is a bad thing
You are part of the problem.

>>91723373
>>with absolutely no self-awareness
I mean, considering the whole point is that someone stole 10 years from the DCU after flashpoint, which caused the universe to become the grittier Nu52 universe, and blaming that on losing the light hearted elements it used to have, I'd say there's some awarenesss

I'm not clear what part of this is supposed to be so offensive.

>>91729127
So you admit to not owning a physical copy of a comic you supposedly love?

>>91729338
sacred cows and all that. this anon here >>91723474
sums it all up

>>91729338
>muh sacred cow

>>91729376
I'd think getting offended by someone not treating Alan Moore as a sacred cow would be an indicator that the person getting mad doesn't understand what Moore was writing about.

>>91726466
In Watchmen the world is saved because a woman who was almost raped willingly had sex with her rapist the very next day.

Having "edgy" content in your story can work if the story is good.
Fish rape is hard to defend because the story surrounding it is missing several beats to justify it, but even then it still works as Lovecraft satire.

>>91729640
Wot? Laurie didn't save the world

>>91727582
>a work set in another writer's world and using another writer's characters
This happens a lot with Moore. People just let it slide because Moore is the underdog to DC's market based corporate structure and Moore hits more than he misses with this stuff. DC fucked Moore with Watchmen, but it's silly to take a philosophical stance about other people doing things with Moore's stuff.

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>>91726616
Because he sells both in floppies and trades.

People already spent all of their outrage a year ago, and thus less people give a shit. I doubt it's possible to remain angry for over a year, unless it's mentally ill autist.