Why was he so ahead of his time

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Probably the moral compas thing,also because a Cap written like he was from the 40s,as proven by Ultimate Cap,would be decisive

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He was subject to prejudice himself, remember Steve is Irish and in the 40's the irish where basicly seen as white niggers
he also saw help from unlikely allies back in his youth such as a comunist group helping out his neighbourhood
basicly a strong moral compass created from his enviroment

>>91720355
>poor Irish-American art student raised by a single mother in Brooklyn during the Great Depression

>>91720434
>where basicly seen as white niggers
yes and? what are the crime statistics about potato kikes?
>>91720529
>art student
is he supposed to be the literal nega-hitler?

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>>91720355

>>91720574
back in those days pretty damn high, especially with the Irish mob being in their prime back then

>>91720574
It's almost as if Steve doesn't judge an entire group of people over things a few individuals have done.

Fuck off /pol/

>>91720653
/pol/ BTFO

>>91720675
>/pol/ BTFO
no, that just means the irish are niggers just like slavs

>>91720655
>a few individuals

>>91720655
/pol/ whining about comic books is pretty rich, since characters like Cap and Superman were created by Jewish guys.

Tangibly related, but I love how /pol/ blames the Jews (who to them are the rich and powerful) for everything, yet constantly votes for people who will enable the rich and powerful to get richer and more powerful.

>>91720592
He means yellow as in coward, surely.

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>>91720749
>yet constantly votes for people who will enable the rich and powerful to get richer and more powerful.
yes because voting to make everyone poor is a much better alternative

>>91720749
Do you love or loathe?

>>91720414
>incredulousAndrewRyan.png
Explain what i just read, if you'd be so kind.

>>91720798
Isn't it? At least then we're not ruled by tyrants.

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>>91720840
>At least then we're not ruled by tyrants.
yes the people who want to take your guns away so you can't protect yourself are NOT tyrants

>>91720434
This.

People with worldviews way ahead of their time tend to be forged in an agonistic climate. Zoroaster was one of the last native Aryans struggling to understand how his fellow men could have become so violent and cruel after their returned from mercenary work for the neighboring empires, almost all the axial Hebrew prophets were people who felt marginalized or down on their luck, etc. It's when you're at you're lowest that you have the opportunity to banish everything you thought you knew and rebuild yourself anew as something separate from your conditioning.

>>91720798
>le "everyone who doesn't suck corporate dick is a filthy commie" meme

There should be an IQ bar for voting.

>>91720723
>This much /pol/ butthurt

Remember when Steve visited Cables socialist island utopia the ideal realization of The American Dream?

>>91720798
>This is the mindset of a Republican

>>91720883
>Take your guns away
Yeah, remember when Obama was going to take your guns in 2008? And 2009? And 2010? And 2011? And 2012? etc.

FFS, even after a bunch of children were murdered, you didn't lose your guns. And we all know how much America loves to prattle on about protecting their children.

>>91720883
>bringing guns into the issue when we're not talking about guns

Typical.

I don't really agree with gun control, by the way, but do you really think you could possibly defend yourself from our government? Your glock is fucking irrelevant.

>>91720955
>That wealth will trickle down to us temporarily embarrassed millionaires any day now!....Any day now!.....Aaaaannnyyyy day now....

>>91720955
>implying taxes don't reduce peoples wealth

>>91720967
>implying it didn't get much harder to buy guns during Obama's reign
it's never an immediate gun grab, chisel away peoples rights little by little and they're less likely to notice


>>91720968
>but do you really think you could possibly defend yourself from our government?
I would absolutely try.

>>91720967
Sandy hoax didn't happen and those "grieving parents" are actually paid actors by Alex Jones is hands down my favorite piece of the modern century.

>>91721035
Faggot I'm in the military. It's hilarious how many of you fat basement dwelling rednecks think you could take us. The fucking national guard could put you fatbodies down.

Work on getting fit and then maybe you could take on the government Dylan.

>>91721077
>It's hilarious how many of you fat basement dwelling rednecks think you could take us.
you're implying that the military would be 100% against the citizens of the US and would have zero qualms about fighting them, you're also neglecting the fact that a large part of the military is already right wing.
even if you are in the military you don't speak for the entirety of it
Faggot

>>91721146
Remember when the US government burned 83 citizens alive in Waco, Texas?

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>>Another cap thread devolves into liberal butthurt vs Polfag butthurt

>>91721146
>He believes this

Hey Dylan you just don't know. We all swore our alligence to the Constitution and Basic Training is all about indoctrination. I know these people better than you do and I'm telling you there wouldn't be many defectors if the government wanted to turn on its citizens. There is literally nothing you rednecks could do to fight us.

I didn't get high scores on my rifle qual to be taken out by some basement /pol/tard.

>>91720801
This page is taken from Ultimate Avengers Vol. 1 which takes place after the events of Ultimatum. Ult. Cap actually reads like a man out of time which is something much appreciated. He also reads as someone with a massive fucking ego. He has a good heart, but is cocky and a bit too sure of himself both in his physical capabilities and ability to control the situation (see his fight against War Machine, Wasp, and Nerd Hulk).

Ult. Cap is a distillation of some of Captain America's best and worst qualities and he continuously evolves throughout the entirerty of the Ultiate Universe to be closer and closer to his 616 counterpart. By the time we've reached the end of the Ultimate Universe, Ult. Cap is an absolute Bro.

>>91721305
>We all swore our alligence to the Constitution
>wouldn't defend gun rights
yeah ok

>>91721146
>what is the battle of blair mountain
>what is the Missouri executive order 44
>what is the branch dividians
>what is the whiskey rebellion
>what is the homestead strike
>what is the bonus army

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>>91720968
Yeah, an insurgency of random guys with small arms could never defeat a modern day-

>What is Afghanistan, for the Soviets and US
>What is Vietnam, for the French and US
>What is Iraq

You're so stupid you ought to be a fucking general. Tanks don't hold street corners, dumbass. Bombs don't keep the peace.

>>91720992
>don't worry guys, I know yet another communist paradise ended in literal cannibalism and anarchic slaughter, but THIS time it'll work!

>>91720355
Was Ennis right?
Is Cap a mockery to actual WW2 soldiers?

>>91721077
You fucking losers couldn't even beat some gooks in pajamas or goat rapists who wipe their asses with their hands. I'm not intimidated. Why don't you go cash in on LOSING yet another war to go get a free breakfast at IHOP, that is all you're really good for.

>>91721510
Cletus there are more Amendment to the Constitution than the 2nd one.


Scared little faggot. If the government deems you rednecks to be a threat to that piece of paper we're coming for you. Try to rationalize why we won't all you want but it won't change the fact I actually know about military culture and you don't.

>>91721735
Remember last year when the Bundys took over that bird refuge and now most of them are dead because the government shot them?

>>91720675
/pol/ has very recently been illuminated on the nefarious nature of the spudskins

>>91721864
>Scared little faggot.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

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Because it was created by Simon and Kirby, and had no involvement of Stan "Funky Flashman" Lee.

>>91721735
Clearly you don't understand how things are in the Middle East. This is the IQ of the average American. At least you need some semblance of intelligence to join the military. It would be too easy to take you guys out.

>>91721735
>loses
>still wins delicious breakfast

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>>91720355
>Irish
>white
Better question is why does he have any positive qualities at all.

>>91720355

That is because this is 616 Cap

Hydra Spencer Cap is Ultimate Cap, even his fucking Behavior is the same.

>>91722276
>Hydra Spencer Cap is Ultimate Cap, even his fucking Behavior is the same.
Didn't you hear the big news? The whole 616 universe is actually supposed to be Nazi Hydra World.

>>91720355

He doesn't exist. The actual Captain America was a Hydra agent. The one we know and love was created by the Cosmic Cube, which the Allies used to win WWII.

>>91722472
>The one we know and love was created by the Cosmic Cube
that was such fucking bad writing

>he's literally so incorruptible that he has to be rewritten in the story line as a hitlerbaby

>>91722421

Said 616 which isn't 616, knowing how reed is now the one taking care of the Marvel Multiverse along with Sue and His kids.

really, marvel is going to take Divergence and use Generations as their own rebirth

Even the the faggots of SJWifornia like it or not, they will return to the Status Quo.

>>91722472
You seem to have missed the part where the Hydra timeline was created by Kobik.

>>91722608

No, I haven't. Also, you're wrong.

The Hydra timeline was NOT created by Kobik. The Marvel universe timeline was created by Kobik. That's why the Red Skull is surprised by Captain America - He thinks Steve has merely been brainwashed. He didn't expect the Steve Rogers from the 'original' timeline - the Hydra timeline - to show up and kill him.

Besides, then where did Mother Hydra come from? She's not a figment of Steve's imagination: She actually exists.

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>>91720355
>from the 40s
faggot

>>91722661

this is why i said that Kobik probably screwed with 616 after Battleworld, and This marvel Universe is a mere copy of 616

they're going to revert back to the Status QUO after this ASAP to catch on with the Movie, even if Spencer likes it or not

>>91720355
There were classic liberals in the 40s, not to be confused with modern racist and sexist liberals.

>>91720968
Says the guy who would wank the Red Coats.

>>91721712
He was written and created by a WW2 soldier, Ennis is a brat.

>>91722661
You're an idiot. Kobik EXPLICITLY states that she created that timeline as does the book's recap. All she did was have that timeline end in such a way as to justify Steve thinking that it's the real timeline. Elisa is just another Kobik creation.

>>91722661
>where did Mother Hydra come from?
From the timeline that Kobik created. This isn't hard. What part of "reality warping" do you not understand?

>>91723342
Simon and Kirby created Cap before getting drafted though

>>91723525
Sure, but the climate at the time I believe anybody involved would have some respect for their troops.

Again, Ennis knocking the character's integrity is weak unless his argument is well detailed.

>>91723525
That's because they created him before the US was even at war.

At the time, the most the US was doing was the land-lease stuff to keep Britain supplied.

>>91721077
Which branch? From the sound of it your probably a tranny in the Air Force or one of the guys in the Army who can only get it up for molesting the new guy.

>>91720592
To be far, he was fighting literal yellow monkeys. The Yellow Monkey Army, to be exact.

>>91720355
Ok reddit, let me break it down for you since your teachers and parents obviously failed:

Not all people born before 1995 were evil
Not all white people are evil
Even when backward beliefs about race and gender were common there were plenty of "fucking white males" throughout history who disagreed with them. Modern progressives sure do live in a narcissistic bubble. Go fuck yourself and wage war on a cartoon frog, asshole.

>>91721992
Now imagine the IQ of the average ISIS/Taliban terrorist. The ones who killed and maimed your asses so often they had to invent new ultra-armored APCs so your pansy asses wouldn't get all blown up every time you left your hideholes. Yep. I thought so.

>>91721927
Kek.
Love that vintage pasta

>>91720355
American as fuck son, or is he? Find out more in secret empire where we split in the face of log standing pragmatism for SJW propaganda about old people!

>>91720574
>what are the crime statistics about potato kikes?

You know how people call police vans "paddy wagons"? They're called that because they used to fill them up with the Irish.

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>>91722276
No they aren't,Hydra cap isn't boisterous,cocky or as obnoxious as Ultimate Cap was in the beginning,if ultimate Cap was a hydra agent he would've bombed the triscellion in full hydra gear screaming Hail hydra! Rather than use bureaucracy and deception

>>91722162
I'm Irish on my mom's side and I thought this was fucking hilarious.

>Pros: Many Irish are dead

>>91725259
Those guys are way smarter than your average American kek. Watch yourself boy, Trump may have us coming for you soon.

Also

>Not inventing new armor to save lives in war

You stupid fucking redneck. I wish Trump would declare Martial Law now.

a lot of that shit just came later and assumed to start early on

Like Cap wasn't not homophobic in the 40's, people just push that on him now and assume it was always the case

>>91720355

Because he was written to be a hero by individuals who held those values and therefore had his values correspond to what they considered to be right?

>>91721712
>Ennis
>Born in 1970
>Never fought in a war
>Finds Cap "borderline offensive, because to me the reality of World War II was very human people, ordinary flesh-and-blood guys who slogged it out in miserable, flooded foxholes. So adding some fantasy superhero narrative, that has always annoyed me a little bit.” as a WWII history buff
>Made by two guys who made superhero comics, went to actual World War II, and then came back and went right back to making superhero comics.
Why should this person's opinion be regarded at all?

>>91720434
>he also saw help from unlikely allies back in his youth such as a comunist group helping out his neighbourhood

Casualfag here. Is this from the early run or is this recent cosmic cube fuckery?

This fucking thread makes me sick. Fucking hell. You, yeah you you retarded anarchist. Do your damn civic duties. Accept that citizenship and it's benefits arent free. Support the military and respect their sacrifice.

Stop bitching like a limp dick uneducated liberal band wagoner and act like a real fucking American and not one of the leeches you think you're better than. Fuck.

>>91721200
Evidence including audio recordings suggests that David Koresh was ordering his followers to start the fire, though I don't think military personnel would have any qualms lighting up treasonous rednecks regardless.

>>91720968
>Small cabal of middle-aged men take over government building out in the midwest
>Hole up for over a month
>Gov't has literally no idea what to do
You can't quash insurgency with nukes, anon. It's not the size of the weapon that matters in this situation.

>>91728905
>Those guys are way smarter than your average American kek.

Stop seeing yourself as the average mouth breather

>>91723435
Kobik might have changed the world into "a world that has been changed"

>>91730852
Because "muh The Troubles" and edgy Punisher.

>>91731226
Remember that time that Warren Harding ordered the bombing of US workers because they were striking? Remember that time the Governor of Missouri ordered the state Militia to exterminate their Mormon population?Remember that time the US Army killed two veterans of WWII during protests about not getting paid for fighting in the war? Remember that time the Pennsylvania militia killed steel workers for striking? Remember that time George Washington lead troops against whiskey brewers?
But no, the military would never fight against citizens.

>>91721677
>What is Afghanistan, for the Soviets and US
>What is Vietnam, for the French and US
>What is Iraq

All the 'random guys with small arms' in these instances are in fact organized military forces, supplied and trained by wealthy benefactors. Sometimes even supplied and trained by the people they ended up fighting.

A bunch of rednecks with hunting rifles are not resisting shit.