LOL

I'm not going to check if he actually said this but it's certainly something he would

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That's part of the fun

>>91713207
He did. I'm pretty sure it was in that 10th anniversary collection of Calvin and Hobbes.

>>91713134
That's an opinion, and he's an asshole. Assuming he said that

>>91713254
this

>>91713134
Now newspaper comic strips, THOSE are art.

>>91713243
>when you grow up, you'll look like this statue of superman i've fashioned!
what the fuck

>>91713134
I think he's joking about 90's edge

He's talking about capeshit and he's right. It's a shame that all of comics get lumped into that dumpster genre.

>>91713857
Dave Sim pls go.

>>91713134
This is so dead on it hurts.

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>>91713243
why doesn't he just, you know, kill Supeman? It's not like he's actually using him.

Can someone explain the appeal of Calvin and Hobbes to me? Didn't find them funny or endearing as a kid and I still don't. People act like they're GOAT and I just don't get it.

>>91714011
They read it as kids, thus it must be flawless.

>>91714011
>>91714055
what a fucking waste of dubs, you tasteless ultra niggers

>>91713254

>implying being incredibly stupid is a bad thing

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>>91713254
A correct opinion.

He's RIGHT

>>91714110
Not an argument

>>91713984
Where's the fun in that?

>>91713296
Statue of A superman. A man that is particularly super.

>>91713243
Man.. that was incredibly stupid. More?

>>91713932
Dave Sim hates capeshit?

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LOL

>>91713134

Keep in mind that this quote is from the mid nineties.

>>91714011
nice meme

>>91714483
I dont get it

>>91714483
was Walt, dare I say, /our/guy?

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>>91714483
Absolutely.

>>91714608
He was a /pol/ tier racist and asshole. How do you not know this already?

>>91714700
Except he wasn't?

>>91714264

"I don't like it" isn't an argument, either.

But to try to clarify: on its most basic level, where most people find the joy, Calvin and Hobbes was an exploration of childhood before the internet age (and really even before cable TV was prolific) where children had to figure themselves out without a lot of help. Hobbes was a way for Calvin to challenge himself and sort his life out (much the way that anons use one another to shitpost against) but it was glorious because he was working himself out against himself. There were few outside forces (human forces) that were creating his life views and personality outside his parents and he was making himself as the comic progressed. His leaps into dinosaurs and sci-fi and whatnot were exactly the sort of pre-adolescent imaginings that kids of that era were imaging.

To put it another way, you know how people complain about they "HEY FELLOW TEENAGER" writing of today? Calvin and Hobbes actually captured what it was to be a kid, even when they went off in adult directions/dialogue, so you were able to suspend some degree of disbelief. Older audiences could relate and younger audiences were challenged or could feel smart, their call. Either way, it was fantastic.

>>91714848
>He thinks all the dinosaur, sci-fi and horror themes were just Calvin's imagination

>>91714476
If he does my estimation of him has gone up. And it was already pretty high.

>>91714219
That art reminds me of Frank Miller. Hmmmmm...

>>91713288
Yeah, his special pleading was tiresome. He'd shit on comic books, movies, T.V., etc. but demanded that newspaper comics be judged individually with little regard to how insipid and uninspired so many of them are.

>>91713134
truth. only pseuds disagree

>>91714483
To be fair, there are a lot of different ways that could be said.

Course they're stupid. They're fiction. Any of kind of fantastical fiction is stupid. Space wizards with laser swords, a piece of jewelry containing a dark lord's essence where everyone sings, a grown man dressing like a bat and fighting crime, it's all dumb as hell. The key is that it has enough elements that break free of it's absurd concept and resonate with people.

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>>91716353

Oh god fucking dammit.

>>91716353
NANI?!?

>>91713134
Rich from a guy that looks like Doug Winger.

>>91716315
>Any of kind of fantastical fiction is stupid.

t. Stuck in the late 19th century.

>>91713134
>quote taken out of context
I doubt he meant stupid in any sort of non-endearing way.

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>>91713984
Wow it's almost like you don't like fun

>>91713243
>Literally fathers Superman just so Superman can't stop him.

This has more layers to it every time I see it.

>>91716353
You got that one where Lex breaks out of prison using some convoluted bullshit?

I know that's not terribly specific.

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>>91713134

Which is sadly the entire point of Watchmen. Superheroes are stupid and belong in childish stories. Not adult ones.

Too bad everyone mistook Watchmens intention as "SUPERHEROES ARE FOR COOL ADULTS NOW YEEE"

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>>91714483

Shanti is underrated desu

>>91717262
I'd argue the entire point of Watchmen is LOOK HOW NEAT COMICS ARE AS A STORYTELLING MEDIUM

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>>91717262

I think it was both.

It was like "look, superheroes are not a realistic concept. here's why:" and then used the medium to create a story that completely deconstructed the superhero genre in itself.

It was a critique of AND an homage to superhero comics.

>>91717305
no you're thinking of The Invisibles

>>91716212
yeah, it sounds loaded to me, like more of a "what the fuck, ollie"

>>91713984
>killing your archenemy before you gloat him about the forty cakes you stole

>>91713134
>>91713207
>>91713254
Watterson wrote that in one of his own books.

>>91714219
He said that ALL comic books are inherently stupid. He also repeated this at a convention where he gave a speech at. He literally thinks the comic book medium is incapable of being anything other than shit.

>>91716099
Waterson even has went so far as to shit on SHAKESPEARE. He said he thinks the only reason anyone says they like Shakespeare is to "sound smart".

I legitimately don't get how people can just call a medium inherently bad. Comics are literally just images in a sequential format. Sometimes there isn't even any writing or dialogue. If you think a multiple of images are incapable of conveying a story or evoking an emotion then you might as well discount film as a medium too.

>>91717262
>>91717305
>>91717372
Waterson wasn't talking about superheroes. He meant ALL COMIC BOOKS.

>>91717485
Is that untrue?

>>91714700
what a twitter-tier exclamation

>>91717511
>/co/

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>>91717087
It's not taken out of context, it's his comment in its entirety and there's nothing to add to it. It's in one of the Calvin & Hobbes compilation books.

>>91717087
Waterson HATES the comic book medium.

Nobody cares what the fuck you say ned flanders

>>91713254
Why? Because he's critical of a thing you like?
Comics can be an art but capeshit or newspaper comics certainly aren't.

I wonder what Bill even does. Calvin and Hobbes has been done for sooooooo long.

Does he really just sit on a giant pile of money in a tiny house in a boring town?

>>91717302
*desi

>>91717302
>read about her getting hypnotized in the junglebook sequel
>look it up, the animation is trash, the movie even worse than trash
i didnt know i was wishing on a monkey paw when i wanted this

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>>91714055
Dubba dubs has it.

Capeshit does suck though.

>>91717984
He probably spends all day peeking from his closed window blinds checking for his imaginary stalkers trying to get his autograph to sell on eBay.

>>91717964
Not that guy, but HE WASN'T TALKING ABOUT SUPERHEROES. HE MEANT THE ENTIRE COMIC BOOK MEDIUM AND ONLY COMIC BOOKS NOT COMIC STRIPS.

>>91714219
Until this very moment, I have not once seen this strip. Where is it from?

>>91714055
What kid read newspaper comics? I'm 32 and that's way before even MY time. You're just a contrarian.

>>91718038
to me it just reads as being incredibly ignorant small-town american thinking. he definitely seems to equate '90's and '80s' superhero comics with all of the comic book medium. i wonder what he'd have to say about stuff like moebius, but his opinion here is so simple it makes him sound like he's never even heard of him, or other incredibly meritorious comic book artists.

>>91713984
Luthor is a Leaf, true and through
>If he kills Superman, Superman wins

>>91718038
Yeah, the fact he lumps in everything as 'bad' is fucking retarded.
the variety in which comics explore things that aren't just capeshit is immeasurable.

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>>91716353

watterson's a good cartoonist but i think C&H is overrated. it's just pogo meets peanuts

>>91717984
Like most artists who are one-hour wonders, he sits around doing nothing, coasting on his success telling himself he could do something just as successful if only he wanted to.

>>91717452
It's a shame nobody has proved him wrong.

>>91718158
/co/ntrarian

>>91717245
Causality; if Lex didn't father superman, then superman wouldn't exist, and Lex wouldn't have a reason to go back in time to make superman his son so that then the non luthored superman would exist, thus being a pain in Lex's side.

>>91718215
But Lex would already have to establish this as a separate universe from the first. After returning to Earth from Krypton, there would be a second Lex Luthor on Earth, one who never went back in time and space to father Superman.

>>91714805
Are you familiar with his plans to make Epcot a real city? That's some fascist futurist shit right there.

>>91716099
Source? I've only heard him shit on newspaper comics or make the sort if respectful, reserved compliments craftsmen make about others in their industry. Watterson isn't particularly flowery like you're describing.

>>91717485
Look, I like Shakespeare but people who act like that shit is highbrow need to shut the fuck up. He wrote plays that were popular entertainment in a very broad sense. It's like acting like Spielberg is the best director when he's really just a good one who has made some entertaining movies that happened to be successful as well.

>>91714700
he just had the foresight to know what the jews would do with his company

>>91718624
He even rushed the ending of Macbeth

>>91717486
Remember that Watterson makes comics and probably cares about them. His standards are probably just incredibly high. Is that really a bad thing? You don't have to agree with him much the same way he doesn't agree with you.

>>91718158
his argument is meaningless. it hinges on the presupposition that there are things which aren't incredibly stupid, which a cursory look at any facet of reality instantly disproves
you can just as easily argue that balloons or waterfalls are incredibly stupid, it doesn't make any kind of point

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>>91718629

>>91718633
no he actually hates all comic books without exception

read the thread

>>91718119
He's successful enough to not have to do anything and so he probably doesn't so he doesn't. If he was as insecure as you make him sound he'd be in the public eye demanding our approval.

Now how do I make enough money that I can live in a nice house in the desert trading comics and playing vidya all day?

>>91718119
He did some guest art for Pearls Before Swine a couple of years ago.
I imagine he also spends a lot of time sadly shaking his head whenever he hears some /tv/ kids talk about how Zak Snyder's cape films are "kino"

>>91718655
I'm saying he probably cares enough about them to wish they were better but they aren't as good as he wishes they were. As I said, high standards.

That's hard for some people to understand because so many people think you can only love comics by being TEAM COMICS. I might not go as far as him but the vast majority of comics, particularly ones that are popular are a complete trash.

I'm sorry he hurt your feelings.

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>>91713134
Does bill wattersaon hate comics more than Hayao Miyazaki hates anime culture?

>>91714011
Finally someone who agrees. I feel like the lone person on the planet who thinks Calvin and Hobbes is kinda dumb

>>91718724
Well the primary difference is that Miyazaki was created some of the most successful anime movies and lead the industry with these films that could have appeal across generations, beliefs, and nations, having his movies exported the world over whereas Calvin and Hobbes is popular among Americans who are easily amused by a kid spouting the political views of his creator.

>>91718057
I am 30 and read the funny pages on Sunday. Also the complations of various comic strips were popular gifts and coffee table staples in my neck of the woods.

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>>91713243
This is probably the greatest single page of a comic book I have ever seen.
Bravo.

>>91717485
Well...he's not wrong.

>>91718567
LITERALLY nothing wrong with Epcot city, it should be real.

>>91717953
underrated

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>>91714649

What I want to know is "How is the comic STRIP medium any LESS stupid?"

>>91719167
It's not, it is however more pretentious.

>>91719167
Well you see in my comics I have a little kid going around spouting highly complex political views that often happen to match my own exactly and this is clearly deep

This is why I've always preferred Breathed to Watterson.

>>91718669
Critic artists - critics in general, really - are almost all deeply, deeply insecure people.

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>>91719243
I see what you did there...

...and that pretty much describes everyone in the comic industry these days.

"We're all a part of the same hypocrisy..."

>>91719387
Name TEN current superhero comics that are worth reading. You can't!

>>91717038
>Doug Winger.

RIP

Have more respect for one of the designers of the A10

>>91719414
Damn right.

Obviously I'll always have the nostalgia, but when I went through my complete collections of Calvin & Hobbes as an adult, I realized what an asshole Watterson was and that I hate almost all of his opinions...that said, with this one, he was completely right in context of the quote and time

But only in reference to the most mainstream capeshit, to actual comics, especially plenty of the ones from that time that were treading new ground, his series was the infantile one

>ITT "hurr durr there's only art and shit, there's no inbetween whatsoever"

>>91718714
No. READ THE THREAD. He has said multiple times publicly that he thinks comic books are incapable of being anything other than shit. It has nothing to do with quality. It's the medium he hates.

>>91719084
>/co/

>>91719243
he's actually said that it's satire and that calvin's opinions are meant to be literally psychopathic

>>91719696
I stand with Calvin. Everything he said was true.

>>91719696
Sometimes they're clearly taken to ridiculous extremes for a joke, sometimes they're clearly Calvin reflecting Bill's opinion, usually when he's bouncing off his dad and his dad is explaining something and it ends with Calvin exclaiming "That's stupid!"

>>91718634
Exactly.

Nihilism is baby's first philosophy.

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>>91719701
Millennial spotted.

>>91719706
Yeah, it's just a chickenshit excuse. He's a mildly better written Brian from Family Guy.

>>91719701
>when /pol/ goes wrong.
Being a contrarian dipshit is no way to live dumbass.

>>91719715
>The correct path to high self esteem is to work hard for your faceless corporate masters so they make more money and in return pat you on the head and make you feel good about yourself

I can't wait for this philosophy to die out

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I think newspaper comics are a small enough pool with a low enough par of quality that Calvin and Hobbes can reasonably be called the objectively best one

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>>91719715
>Look Calvin isn't reflecting my opinion, he's saying the opposite of what I believe in a strawman argument

>>91719736
As countries like Zimbabwe and Venezuela have shown us, the true path to self-esteem is taking farms away from rich people and giving them to poor people who mismanage them into ruin. :^)

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>>91719736
>being this much of a faggot
You should kill yourself buddy

>>91713857
Wrong. Superhero comics are the only reason to use the comic medium. What other type of story wouldn't be improved by making it a film or television show? A superhero comic is actually good enough to compete.

>>91714848
This is lasagnacat-tier bullshit.
There is no "creating any personality or views" anything because in the end none of this matters. Calvin is a static character in a dumb joke-per-strip comic.

>>91719742
I disagree. Boondocks is great as far as comic strips go.

>>91719778
Except films and television cost more and have way too much potential for creative conflict, it's a lot easier for someone to produce a great comic (outside of capeshit)

>>91719722
You're just mad because Calvin always gave Susie a hard time. White knight feminist cuck

>>91714649
I'd let her choke my bird, if you know what I mean. ;D

>>91713243
Fucking silver age, holy shit.

>>91714483
To provide context, in Walt's day, "sexy" did not mean sexually attractive, it meant someone who was sexually inclined (kinda like our term "horny" but not as strong)

>>91713134
I read superhero comics, but I do agree that they are dumb which is why I don't take them seriously and only read them for fun.

>>91719736
Good luck with your Patreon, I'm sure you'll be well taken care of for your Let's Play videos while you wait patiently for a magical land where the government pays everyone to do nothing because robots got sentient

>>91719804
>I read superhero comics
HA! What a fucking nerd.

>>91713932
Now that is someone I genuinely agree with. People need to stop pretending that women are capable of doing anything but the easiest kind of work. Females are lesser beings.

>>91719736
negative+negative=positive!

>>91713134
Agreed

>>91719736
>tfw absolutely useless, insecure and uneducated
Sometimes I wish I had enough connection to drug dealers to make my own Silk Road. Sounds like something easy enough to manage and well-paying.
>inb4 HURR FBI

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>>91713134
Ah so he really is just talking about Cape Comics.
In that case I have to agree. Cape comics are incredibly stupid.

>>91717984
He goes out to the forest and paints trees with his dad

No, really

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So is this a LOL thread or a discussion about superhero comics?
In any case, this recent exchange in a GL thread made me chuckle. Probably fits both categories.

>>91719860
''''''''''''''''''''beings'''''''''''''''''''' is a spook

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>Reclusive hermit who quit comics years ago calls the medium shit
my goodness, what a fascinating development

>>91718634
No not really. If you read the comic the quote gives context to, you'd realize he's talking about how awful cape comics are.
Which they are. Cape comics are fucking retarded even today.
>>91717659

>>91719955
Fuck off with your shit memes, /lit/ard.

>>91719243
>that often happen to match my own exactly
What is this meme? Why do people say "a character spouting author's views" like it's a bad thing? What the fuck are you even expecting? Author making up a character with whose ideology he disagrees with and forcefully putting him in the right? Do you realize how incredibly shit that would be?

>>91719957
The quote makes more sense given context.
>>91717659

>Man who loves comics also hates comics

Is he /ourguy/?

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>>91719721
Ok now you're just being mad.

>>91713243
>>91716353
more like this please

>>91720003
hates cape comics
so yeah he could be

>>91716315
Thank you. At least someone with sense ITT.

>>91713243
Is the twist here that Luthor legitimately falls in love with Supe's mom and tries to save Krypton?

>>91720003
Eh, /co/ also got mad at Moore when he more or less said the same thing a few years ago.
>I can’t help but wonder, of course, if someone who has made their continuing interest in Batman such a central part of their adult life might not have been offended or felt personally slighted by my suggestion that the mass devotion of middle-aged people to superhero figures might be a cultural indicator of intellectual and/or emotional arrest. Just speaking hypothetically, if such offence had been taken, what might such a person’s outlets of response amount to? It surely wouldn’t be sufficient to Tweet something to the effect that “Alan Moore thinks adult superhero fans are possibly emotionally stunted, and as a Batman scholar I strongly disagree with him”, even though that may in fact be the sum total of the actual truth.

>>91719920
Capes are the only comics that aren't stupid. All other comics are retarded.

>>91719963
I think it's pretty asinine to take a dump on an entire genre even if the majority of the things from said genre are low quality. It just kind of makes you look like a prick. Saying "everything is shit" isn't even really criticism, at least in any meaningful constructive way. At least Alan Moore has a legitimate point when he says that cape comics haven't evolved and the fact that they've been using the same characters to tell the same stories for decades now shows that they're uncreative. I don't personally agree with it but I can at least respect the man's opinion.

>>91720198
>le ebin falseflagging XD
Kill yourself.

>>91714011
I dunno, different tastes? You can have differing opinions.
For instance, I pronounce it see-oh.

>>91720211
>Alan Moore has a legitimate point when he says that cape comics haven't evolved and the fact that they've been using the same characters to tell the same stories for decades now

I don't necessarily disagree with him or Watterson, but look at other mediums. How many procedural detective shows are there? Crappy reality tv, mindless game shows, bad sitcoms. I know, lets do Sherlock Holmes, but with [Insert Here].

The movie industry is built upon the same trash. Watterson's choice of medium isn't exactly filled with constant brilliance either.

Everyone makes a big deal about things like comic books spoiler]or video games[/spoiler] "maturing" or "being art" but hell, look at other mediums. Who gives a crap, they're all filled with rehashed schlock.

>>91713134
I am old enough to recognize silly baby boomer hyperbole when I see it. This how people Bill's age communicate, by yelling stupid shit at one another. The one who yells the stupidist and the loudest wins.

>>91720277
Not all procedurals are bad, though.

>>91720277
I'm amazed that no one goes around saying "hurr horror is shit" even though that genre has been in the gutter for decades.
>b-but three or two works are good
Same can be said about capes, so fuck off.

>People will use this to downplay the DCEU

>>91720346
>I'm amazed that no one goes around saying "hurr horror is shit" even though that genre has been in the gutter for decades.

I think it's mostly because "Get Out", "It Follows", and "The Babadook" all came out recently and they're all really great movies. I'll admit the 2000's was an awful decade for horror (the 90's wasn't too hot either) but I think horror is kind of on the upswing now.

>>91714483
2 bee fare, Shanti IS pretty hot

>>91720561
>and they're all really great movies
Oh, you're one of those.
No, it's still in decline and the fact that the pieces of trash you named get any praise is a proof that people have low standards for it.

>>91720277
Trying to legitimize video games as "art" is probably one of the worst things to happen to the medium.

>>91720562
Would bang.

>>91720346
>so fuck off.
naught an augment

>>91720604
Nah, making them "accessible" (i.e. constant hand-holding with no challenge) is much worse.
For fuck sake, if I hear "Dark Souls is a hard game" one more time, I will get a conniption.

>>91720637
Dark Souls is a hard game.

>>91720014
Not at all, I have nothing invested in the washed-up author of a funny papers cartoonist. Hell, I don't even like the majority of comics, since it's almost all capeshit. But I know an author agenda-pusher character when I see one.

>>91720637
Every medium has its "dumbed down for mass market appeal" stuff. Video games went really overboard with it years ago, but the market eventually corrected and now there's more niche stuff coming out.

>>91720738
>there's more niche stuff coming out.
Where? No, shit like Hotline Miami doesn't count.

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What do you guys think of this?

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>>91720637
I'd argue they both go hand in hand. The more games become easier and simplistic, the more people seem to go "Yes yes, quite, this is a deep and mature interactive cinematic experiences that push the boundaries of what games Are and Are Not".

>>91718624
I love Shakespeare, but I love this lame puns and sex jokes. People who view it as the highest of literature have a bit of a point, but show themselves to be incapable of reading it enough to catch the aforementioned lame puns.

>>91720597
>Oh, you're one of those.
>No, it's still in decline and the fact that the pieces of trash you named get any praise is a proof that people have low standards for it.

What exactly is your "standard" in the first place?

>>91720759
You can't expect niche stuff to have a budget comparable to games that needs to appeal to the mass market to break even/make a profit.

>>91720745
No, because they're not even good or scary.
The former two are cheap, flashy horror with the most predictable storytelling known to man and the latter is a mediocre grief/depression PSA with the only good actor being the kid. I get sick of people complaining that he's annoying, he's supposed to be. I'd much rather see someone that near the end he went full Home Alone which makes the movie even less scary, if shitty dialogue or acting didn't do it already
Something like Jacob's Ladder would've been nice, but no one is creative enough to do even that anymore.

>>91718063
yep, he said as much several times in the comics. Luthor doesn't want him to be a martyr. He wants to "expose" superman as the alien invader before he defeats him.

>>91720812
Session 9, Mulholland Drive, aforementioned Jacob's Ladder, more of a thriller but Michael Mann's Manhunter works pretty well barring the godawful ending.

>>91720915
Oh, and from the recent ones I guess Starry Eyes was okay though not really good, but compared to most of the shit we get these days it's great.

>>91720637
Dark souls is a reasonably difficult game. dwarf fortress is a fucking hard game.

>>91720957
>>91720915
So you want surrealist horror basically. Yeah, good luck with that.

The problem is that every time something is surrealist or out there it's called "Lynchian" even if it's not even close to his style.

>>91721322
I don't care if it's surrealist or not. I just care if they movie evokes any dread in me. It just happens that most horror movies I like happen to be surrealistic.

Kurosawa's The Cure is an example of a non-surrealist horror and the only good example of actually scary mind control I have ever seen.

>>91721362
Not "The Cure". Just "Cure".
My bad.

>>91721203
DF is more obtuse than it is hard

Superheroes are kinda stupid, but I enjoy them nonetheless and don't see the need to get defensive when someone suggests they might not be high literature.

>>91714483

any proof that this is real?

>>91721403
>>91721362
Well, as far as dread goes I'd say "Sinister" and "Creep" (even though it's found footage) fit that bill pretty well actually.

>>91721819
>Sinister
I don't know, man. Those reels were really good but everything else was just meh.
I'll look up "Creep" though.

>>91718724
To be fair, those who label themselves "otaku" are most of the time fucking idiots.
Same for the "US GAMERS AMIRITE" kids.
Highly shallow and materialistic lifestyles, basing their lives around consumerism.

Watterson is a hack and his comics aren't even good.

>>91720780
Hobbes should be glad Calvin scored. Some friend.

>>91718048
It's from 1993, so it's a pretty spot-on parody of the direction superheroes were taking at the time. Except the art is too good.

>>91721904
It's definitely worth a look. Maybe it's because I had no expectations and I've seen hundreds of garbage Netflix movies but that one really stood out to me.

I think we can at least agree that The Conjuring and Insidious are steaming piles of shit.

I think a good modern example of what he's on about is Iron-Blooded Orphans. The finale was deadly serious and grim, but it managed to be the silliest and most stupid of any Gundam series.
At least the kits are cool.

>>91720703
>washed-up
yeah mad
You act like he's currently out to prove anything when he's just been chilling on his own for years now, and that comment was made when he was still super popular. If you really "have nothing invested" in his opinion, you wouldn't have written anything like what you wrote.

>>91722074
>I think we can at least agree that The Conjuring and Insidious are steaming piles of shit.
I agree. So is "Paranormal Activity" (any of them, they're pretty much the same movie anyway) and "Unfriended".

>>91720346
>I'm amazed that no one goes around saying "hurr horror is shit"
What? Lirerally everyone does that, complaining how nu horror is jumpscare shit and WHY AR THE HEROEZ SO UNLIKAEBL???????

>>91722211
I'm one of the few horror fans I know that enjoyed the first 3 "Paranormal Activity" movies (I just thought they were fun) but everything after the third one has been absolute garbage. The moment they tried to "cleverly" incorporate the Xbox Kinect into the scares was when I tapped out.

"Unfriended" was one of the first movies in a while that made me feel old. I could not relate to a single character in that movie because they were all complete idiot teenagers. After living on a steady diet of slasher films from my teens to my early 20's I finally had that moment most people have where they watch those movies and went "Wow. These kids are so fucking dumb I can't even enjoy this." The fact that I paid money to see it made it even worse.

>a real comic writer laughs at capes
>/co/ swears eternal hate on him
Welp.

>>91722203
Yeah sorry dude, you're not really in a position to tell me my thoughts.

Dude is the definition of washed up. He hasn't done anything of note in ages.

>>91723019
what determines what is a real comic and what isn't?

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>>91721362
>I don't care if it's surrealist or not. I just care if they movie evokes any dread in me. It just happens that most horror movies I like happen to be surrealistic.
Well that's your fucking problem, isn't it? No need to whine about the decline of the genre just because they don't make enough of them type of movies you like. This is what any "hurr durr bad taste low standards le decline!!" bullshit always comes down to, people just whining about something not appealing to them personally.

>>91723091
No, that's the genre's problem is that it's shit.
>movies you like
Good ones? Yes, they don't make them.

>>91723073
Again. You mad.
The way you describe Bill makes it sound like you have him confused with John K.
But in reality he's just chillin somewhere doing up paintings of landscapes, not giving a fuck about anything.
In fact he hasn't given his opinion on anything in years.
In order for him to be a wash up he'd have to at the very least be actively pursuing cartoon illustration work.

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>>91713134
punishertards BTFO

>>91722932
Not really, not anymore at least. They now have tons of absolutely bland movies that are not scary or good in any way but have no jumpscares.

>>91715147
>I could feel my spine shatter
>It hurt
>... a Lot

The dialogue is pretty spot on for Miller too

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>>91723399
Frank's a pretty good sport about people making fun of him too.

>>91723141
But how could you be sure that you like 'good movies'? Who defines good movies?

>>91723506
Experience watching all kinds of horror movies and knowing how horror elements work?

Babadook wasn't anything but half shitty drama/half unintentional comedy, and calling it psychological horror is an insult to the genre.

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>>91723283
The strip >>91714219 does kinda call Punisher 2099 to mind.

>>91723635
>knowing how horror elements work
Whenever shit the creators try, if it doesn't scare you personally because of some very specific phobias, triggers or memories, it doesn't work. That's how it fucking works.

>>91723841
This is the most idiotic sentence I've ever heard. Congratulations. No wonder you're so damn retarded.

>>91723635
As someone who recently lost someone and having to take care of someone who had a chronic condition without their help, the movie hit home disturbingly well.

And the fact that she never really conquered The Babadook and just needed to keep it in check at the end was chilling. Just because it didn't resonate with you doesn't mean it was a bad film.

In fact, I was left with a feeling of profound inner turmoil after watching it. I had to admit to myself that I was resentful in my own way. I can't remember the last horror film that had that kind of effect on me. It just hit me at exactly the right time in my life.

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>>91717251
I GOTCHA, SENPAI!

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>>91713134
>Comics are stupid, but they suddenly aren't stupid if they're shorter and are published in newspapers.

>>91719801
No, he meant sexually attractive.

That's the whole point of her character. She's supposed to be sexy, which is what lures Mowgli out of the Jungle.

That's literally the entire point of the conclusion to the cartoon.

>>91724130
... Does "senpai" auto correct to "senpai" or something...

Because I wrote fucking 'senpai'

This post is gonna either look boring or stupid to the point of hilarity.

I feel like he's directly referring to people who treat Watchmen like it's literature. When really it's just a stupid comic book.

>>91724013
You're saying that as if bad films can't resonate with people. If it has a "relatable" theme, then it will resonate with at least someone. Same way shit like "I Spit On Your Grave" has female following.

And yes a movie where the main character literally yells "FUCK YOU GET THE FUCK OUT" at the "monster" is hard to take seriously. I get what it was supposed to mean. Doesn't make it any less of a joke.

>>91717964
Every comic is art regardless of quality, retard.

>>91724248
kek.

>>91724248
where have you been for the past...year? I want to say year

>>91724278
Man, anybody can go a full year without writing out one of a billion billion combination of words once.

Now if you'd said 5 years? That would've been fucking nuts of me NOT to notice.

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>>91724150
>Implying he implied this

Don't be assblasted, anon

>>91724311
did you think all the people saying baka desu senpai were doing it intentionally?

>>91724248
Much like how the overuse of Japanese but with a W annoyed moot enough to word-filter it to weaboo, the abbreviated version of "to be honest family" became desu senpai

I'm pretty dedicated to my philosophy of, "If I like it, who cares what you think."

>>91713134
I like the quote, and I dont think he means stupid in a bad way. I would say he means "stupid" like the movie "Buckaroo Banzai" is stupid, Just fun shit.

>>91713243
I like how Kal-El is still the very same Kal-El who was fathered by Jor-El despite here being fathered by Lex Luthor who isn't even kryptonian. BUT! Does that mean Luthor is actually a kryptonian and the lost twin brother of Jor-El? Being a genius and all that? Does that mean he is actually not a human and thus all his reasoning against Superman moot? Does that mean that Luthor is actually Kal-El's weird uncle nobody likes who talks shit at family reunions?

>>91720277
Police and detective shows have majorlh evolved. Game shows are the capeshit of television though

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>>91724313
>u-u mad bro?

If he thinks comic strips are also stupid he's a hypocrite.

>>91724464
No, they didn't. They're all complete trash.

>>91724464
They're still incredibly dumb. Remember the gamergate episode of SVU?

>>91716353
OUT-FUCKING-WITTED

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...Considering the era of comics that he said this during, I'm not sure I disagree.

And for the record, he did his part to shit on newspaper comics just as much as all other media.

>>91717485
...and? Shakespeare is overrated af, his merit is mainly due to him inventing new words as he went along and since english is such a shitty language it was a pretty easy job back then.

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>>91723841
>Whenever
Whatever*

>>91724554
Cape comics are still stupid though. They can't help but be anything but, it's baked into the premise.

>>91724313
White knighting is funny to watch. Don't stop.

>>91723886
I bet that if you don't get scared by a certain product, you're not gonna be very willing to read a 10+ page explanation on how the creator worked on that product and how many horror elements and hidden meanings he put in there, because that ultimately didn't scare you.

>>91724258
But well made films can also not resonate with people. Babadook is one of the more well-made horror films of the last decade with good cinematography, acting, music, mood, and themes but it's obviously not to your taste.

I can completely understand the idea of a bad movie being to your taste. I love the movie Freddy vs. Jason but I'd never try to argue that it's a "great film".

Babadook has great production values and succeeds well at building suspense. I'd call it a modern horror classic. You have every right to dislike it but calling it a "bad film" is something I just can't agree with.

I don't personally like The Shining but I acknowledge that Kubrick is masterful in crafting it. It's objectively a really good movie even though I think it's overrated and not to my own personal taste.

>>91724634
But there was a period from the 80's to the 90's where writers had the pretension of something more, hence the rise of "IT'S NOT A COMIC, IT'S A GRAPHIC NOVEL" and a deluge of supposed adult themes and edginess. I think that's more the issue.

Capeshit is lovably stupid, even when smart people are writing it.

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>>91719330
>H-He said a bad word about muh capeshit

Get over yourself, faggot. Man up

>>91717485
A reminder that Shakespeare's works had shit tons of pop culture references that /co/ loves to whine about, it's just that he referenced shit that was popular back in the day and was later forgotten.

>>91720780
Hobbes would cheer and make obscene gestures.

>>91724704
How many variations of "u mad" you gonna post today?

>>91714011
People found it to be genuinely fun but people take it too far and suck Wattersons dick too hard now because he didn't want to make a cartoon

>>91724683
>objectively
that buzzword again

>>91724703
>hence the rise of "IT'S NOT A COMIC, IT'S A GRAPHIC NOVEL"
that was a marketing gimmick to get non-comic readers to buy into the burgeoning trade paperback market

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>>91724466
>Stupid is only a bad thing

Don't you have class, anon?

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>>91713134
They may be stupid but I fucking love it.

It doesn't really matter, because you can say anything from any medium is "stupid".

>>91724683
Babadook was completely ruined for me when, in the final climactic confrontation, the Babadook lets loose a terrifying cry...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4j1_n4zTVM

>>91716315
This. /co/ is constantly on the verge of becoming /tv/ because it's endlessly trying to rationalize this absurd shit. Stupid doesn't have to be a bad thing

>>91724810
>It doesn't really matter, because you can say anything from any medium is "stupid".
Not everybody understands this tho.
I had a conversation with some guy on the internet, and he kept saying that Magneto was great in the first X-Men movies and shit in the later ones. Maybe he wasn't entirely wrong, but what killed me was his reasoning: he said that the first X-Men movies had LE WAR FLASHBACKS for Magneto, and war is serious business so it was cool, but everything that came later was some melodramatic bullshit. Some people are just too up their own asses.

>>91724737
How many times are you gonna get your feelings hurt? I think it's directly proportional to that

>>91724679
Oh, I am so I could laugh at the creator being a failure and a retard who thinks he or she is clever and did a good job.
>hidden meanings
Lol. Babadook is unsubtle as a ton of bricks. The hamhandedness of it is astounding.

>>91724683
>good cinematography
It's absolutely mediocre.
>acting
As I said, the only good actor there is a kid.
>music
HAHAHAH. You can't be serious.
>mood
The most generic "mood" imaginable you can see in any horror movie.
>themes
Oh boy, not this again.
>m-muh symbolism makes it good
The simplistic themes do absolutely fucking nothing other than turn the movie into a Lifetime drama.
>succeeds well at building suspense
There is no fucking suspense there at all. The movie is a borefest. Want real suspense? Watch Rosemary Baby or something. Not this piece of shit for sure.
Stop sucking off a terrible movie because it resonated with you.
>I'd call it a modern horror classic.
Then I weep for the genre if garbage like that is a classic.

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>>91718158
*elevates your medium*

>>91724874
I think we passed that point a long time ago

>>91724344
Not that guy, but I didn't understand why anyone would intentionally write all that famalam stuff to begin with. Senpai actually makes more sense to me given how weeaboo the site is. I just can't keep up with all the memes, I guess.

>>91724898
My feelings aren't hurt, anon; post another Costanza. it makes you look awfully cool.

>>91720287
Their not but they are the capeshit of Network TV

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>>91717500
These are all comics?

>>91713134
Why would I give a shit about this guys opinion he looks like he gropes children for fun.

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>>91724940
One Costanza, coming right up faggot

>>91724874
Fuck, the second cape comics stop being stupid is the second I go find something else to read.
My real life is full of real stuff, and most of that's pretty fucking stupid too.

>>91725022
>faggot
U mad, lol.

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>>91725006
There's a difference between a pedo 'stache and a dad 'stache.

Well, for most of us, at least.

>>91724899
>Lol. Babadook is unsubtle as a ton of bricks. The hamhandedness of it is astounding.
I haven't even fucking seen Babadook. I hate it even when I try to have a discussion about ways of approaching works of art, but people keep slipping to irrelevant examples because they think I'm arguing their opinion on said examples, not their approach of art as a whole.
>Oh, I am so I could laugh at the creator being a failure and a retard who thinks he or she is clever and did a good job.
So if the creator's efforts appealed to you personally, he's a genius, but if they didn't, he's a retard ? You do realize this is highly hypocritical right?
Different people are scared of different things. A creator may put a lot of effort into a horror movie about chtonic flying man-eating fetuses or some shit, but if this doesn't scare you, you're not gonna appreciate any effort he put into it. But if the creator puts a lot of effort into a horror movie about *thing that scares you personally*, suddenly you call him a genius?

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>>91724990
ITT People try to find an excuse to hate Bill Watterson, going so far as to ignore context to do so.

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>>91725066
How do you figure?

>>91724899
>It's absolutely mediocre.
How? The framing of the scenes is really effective and allows for really suspenseful scares.
>As I said, the only good actor there is a kid.
Except the actress who does a great job portraying a descent into madness
>HAHAHAH. You can't be serious.
I am. The music is effective and creates atmosphere well.
>The most generic "mood" imaginable you can see in any horror movie.
Except there's no cheap jump scares and the entire slow build is effective and mirrors the mother's own descent into her psychosis.
>The simplistic themes do absolutely fucking nothing other than turn the movie into a Lifetime drama.
Except the drama is really organic and not manufactured at all like shitty Lifetime dramas are. And many others agree.
>There is no fucking suspense there at all. The movie is a borefest. Want real suspense? Watch Rosemary Baby or something. Not this piece of shit for sure. Stop sucking off a terrible movie because it resonated with you.
I like Rosemary's Baby too. Like I said, it seems like you just like a specific type of horror movie. It's kind of like saying any Batman that isn't Frank Miller's TDKR is shit. You have the right to have that opinion but it makes you look kind of childish.
>Then I weep for the genre if garbage like that is a classic.
Your tears are delicious.

>>91724973
>capeshit capeshit capeshit
Fuck off, meme-spouting faggot.

>>91725085
>I haven't even fucking seen Babadook.
Then shut the fuck up.
>So if the creator's efforts appealed to you personally, he's a genius, but if they didn't, he's a retard
Keep putting words in my mouth, faggot. Every time a creator says how much effort they put into a bad movie, they deserve to be mocked. End of story.
>b-b-but fear is subjective
Shut up.

>>91725329
>How? The framing of the scenes is really effective
It's the exact same cinematography you'll in every other single movie like Insidious.
>and allows for really suspenseful scares.
Just admit that you have low standards and carry on.
>The music is effective and creates atmosphere well.
What atmosphere? The atmosphere is what that shitty movie was devoid of.
And that music is nothing but dull droning I've heard a thousand times before.
>it has no jump scares, so it's good
You're the kind of an idiot who enables the "movie has no jump scares so it's scary" kind of garbage thinking. It's still the same mood.
> slow build is effective
If you're an easily-impressed 13-year old.
>Except the drama is really organic
Pfft. The drama is hamhanded and handled as unsubtle as it could be.
>And many others agree
Idiots would, maybe.
> it seems like you just like a specific type of horror movie.
Yes. It's called a "good movie"
>inb4 hurr le subjective
>Your tears are delicious.
I'm not the one eating up shit and asking for more, but enjoy being a cancerous lump on the genre enabling shit creators. You deserve every Conjuring.

>two autists arguing about The Babadook
I know /co/ is just /tv2/ but can you at least pretend this board is still about comics and cartoons

>>91725749
Oh, I'm so sorry for interrupting your thrilling and enlightening discussion of "LOL CAPESHIT SUX XD" and "BILL WATTERSON IS A TALENTLESS HACK I HOPE HE DIES" being repeated ad nauseaum.

>>91725796
>I do not enjoy the discussion taking place
>therefore instead of leaving the thread I am going to discuss something completely unrelated

>>91713134
Anybody worth their salt in comics understands the beautiful absurdity of the medium.

It's why they're the most creative. If you get butthurt by this quote then you probably have (cape)shit taste.

>>91717677
Which I've always found interesting coming from a cartoonist.

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>>91725716
Are you SERIOUSLY trying to suggest that fear is not subjective? Care to name some "objectively" scary horror movies? What if someone's not getting scared by them?

>>91713134
The way I see it he is not saying that the medium is stupid by default, just that adding violence, edge, and another name won't change the fact that they have poor writing and bad art, they should focus on this instead of superficial aspects.

Babadook is a bad movie but that little kid was really good at acting annoying

What does Watterson consider his comic strips to be? He makes money from it either way, doesn't he? His family is probably chomping on the bit to sell tons of merch once he passes away

>>91725844
>I have nothing to do
>better police the thread like a little bitch I am because God forbid a discussion changes a direction

>>91725716
>shut the fuck up
>Keep putting words in my mouth, faggot. Every time a creator says how much effort they put into a bad movie, they deserve to be mocked. End of story.
>Shut up.

Wow, great arguments there, buddy. You've sure convinced me.

>>91725924
this isn't changing direction of an existing discussion, it's just starting a new discussion

>>91717452
>He literally thinks the comic book medium is incapable of being anything other than shit.

Too bad there is no prove he is wrong

>>91725981
did you even bother reading the other response to the post you responded to

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>>91725981
>Too bad there is no prove he is wrong
have you read Gay Comix? shit's good.

>>91725716
>Just admit that you have low standards and carry on.
William Friedkin, director of The Exorcist (1973) stated on his Twitter profile, "Psycho, Alien, Diabolique, and now THE BABADOOK." Friedkin also added, "I've never seen a more terrifying film. It will scare the hell out of you as it did me."

Guess the director of the most critically acclaimed horror film of all time has low standards too.

>>91724248
come on f̒am, I know you can do better tb͘h

/tv/ is a cancer

>>91713134
I always see his character pissing on truck windows.

>>91725894
It is, but it's not the point. The point is using "fear is subjective" is a bad idea considering that even bad horror movies are likely to resonate with someone and sometimes have lots of effort put into them even if the creator

>>91726072
Old creators love to fellate works of others and exaggerate to give young creators a confidence boost, yes.
Stephen King dickrided Hush which was just a generic slasher flick with a "deaf and mute protagonist" gimmick.
Then again, King is an idiot.

>>91725948
Well, boo-fucking-hoo. Happens all the damn time. Go cry on /qa/.

>>91726169
*even if the creator is misguided.

>>91726072
>Alien
>The Exorcist
Never understood everyone's boner for these movies.

>>91726169
>That one chapter in Cujo where some guy breaks into the main characters' house and masturbates on their bed

>>91726269
>that one chapter in Rose Madder where the domestic abuser villain gets pissed on by a fat woman

>>91726169
Then again, King is an idiot.
>guy who wrote Carrie, Pet Sematary, The Shining, It, and Salem's Lot
>an idiot

You, sir, are an idiot.

>>91726335
Literally all of those are better in live-action when handled by talented people who know how to deal with King's shit.
That's why he's so butthurt that Kubrick "butchered" his vision and why his "true" live-action version of Shining was bad.

>>91726382
Not, that's because Shining is a book and not a fucking movie. If you compare them while not being a consumerist pig who has nostalgia for teh movie and has actually read the book, the book has much better character development, is much more subtle and cover a wider variety of topics, so it is technically better. But that's why you don't compare books to movies. Books have much more space to tell quality stories, while movies have more possibilities to get an emotional response from you.

>>91726324

>that Nightmares & Dreamscapes story that was about a black maid sucking on a drunk writer's cum-stained sheets

will capeshitters ever recover?

>>91726462
The Shining is a terrible book and King is a talentless hack who never produced anything of value, then.
Satisfied?

>>91725435
/tv/ was a mistake

>>91726623
Yes, retarded monkeys shitting up the threads with the shitty buzzword definitely are.
Unless you're talking about me for some reason, in which case kill yourself.

>>91718624
>Highbrow=Good
Underage retard

>>91713247
Just checked. It is.

>>91724347
you forgot the other part

baka desu senpai

>>91726570
I don't think you've read it.

>>91726946
I did. It's thorougly mediocre and forgettable.
Quality of King's writing is on par with R.L. Stein's except Stein doesn't pretend that his works are for anyone but kids and dumb teenagers.

>>91724899
You are fucking wrong. Like, every one of you little dissections is a stupid rebuttal. The cinematography takes care, the set is built with care, the acting was excellent, even the kid, calling a mood generic is really stupid, it's a horror movie, and it does really well being a movie about grief and a horror movie at the same time.

I bet you are the kind of fucker that laughed about the stop motion puppet monster, which was incredibly well made. Fuck off

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LOL

>>91718060
>incredibly ignorant small-town american

The fact that he's rich and doesn't leave a 200 yard radius around his house should tell you all you need to know on that front.

>>91718724
That old dickhead needs the living shit kicked out of him.

>>91723841
I totally skipped this post. Holy crap you are stupid.

Goodbye.

>>91727100
trigger weebo

>>91726990
Nah, I'm just not a tasteless cunt like you.
The monster is the only bit of effort there was in that piece of shit movie, faggot.

>The cinematography takes care
To be as bland and dull as possible, I guess.
>the set is built with care
The set didn't look any different from most horror movies, you easily-impressed faggot.
>the acting was excellent
Yes. Both wooden excuse for acting and obnoxious overacting that is hard to take seriously are excellent.
>calling a mood generic is really stupid, it's a horror movie
Bravo on being a part of the reason why almost every horror movie these days feels exactly the same.
>and it does really well being a movie about grief and a horror movie at the same time.
As I said, you have low standards. It's a mediocre drama and a godawful horror movie. Fucking Unedited Footage of a Bear did the exact same thing except it was clever about it instead of rubbing it in the idiotic viewer's face to make it feel like the movie is "smart" and "deep".

>>91727201
And UFOAB was for the most part a comedy with horror elements.

>>91724130
That's the one. I mean I know it's silver age but still, fucking what.

>>91714483
I could imagine someone saying that as a joke

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>>91727124
>I'm just gonna insult you without making any actual points
What did you mean by this?

>>91726979
>It's thorougly mediocre and forgettable.
The movie is the same deal tho, except also overrated.

>Most comic books are dumb, with a few gems
Judge them all based on the dumb ones
>Most comic strips are dumb with a few gems
Judge them individually

I don't get it.

>>91727750
It at least has stunning cinematography and god-tier music which created good atmosphere.

>>91727782
Maybe, but it's not scary.

>>91727832
Well, duh, It's based on a King's book.

>>91720780
Why would Calvin's parents trust him enough to leave him home alone for a weekend?

>>91713134
It seems like he's one of those people who thinks art is trash and the human imagination is capable of only triteness. Which both are true. A comic about a over imaginative boy talking to a stuffed tiger is just as stupid as Batman beating up the Joker for the trillionth time.

>>91714219
If I were an adult writing kid friendly strips during the 80s/90s grim and grit phase of comics I would have the same opinion too.

>>91727673
>as a joke

Get off 4chan, Mad Thad.

>>91728020
>over imaginative boy talking to a stuffed tiger is just as stupid as Batman beating up the Joker for the trillionth time

That's not even a true statement, anon. Unless you're in the camp that thinks Batman is a looney just like the Joker

>>91713254
He's a newspaper cartoonist, they operate in their own world. Comic books were seen as juvenile garbage in the 30s and 40s when newspaper strips were at their artistic peak and greatest pop culture relevance. Comic books were just starting to reverse that stigma around the time C&H started getting big. Bill still had the classic newspaper cartoonist mindset about funnybooks so he thought the fact that people were taking them seriously was humorous. He was outspoken about the decline of newspaper comics as well so there might have been some bitterness there that his corner of comics was continuing to get worse and worse despite his efforts to elevate the medium, while those stupid kids comics about guys in tights (in his eyes) were getting positive press and adult readers. I think it bothered him that no one took the funny pages seriously anymore. I love C&H and but I think he was being petty when he said this, although at the same time he's only human and I get where he's coming from, I wish newspaper comics were still good too, it's the best format for telling a serialized story.

>>91727773
Watterson does judge all comic strips as dumb though

he's a bit of an egomaniac

>>91727100
>someone needs to violently murder this senior citizen because I disagree with him

>>91729306
He said that he usually doesn't follow comic books; when he was a kid he briefly read the Batman comic back when he was watching the TV show and thought they were fun but didn't care enough about. The only other comic he read was MAD which he liked back then (and still likes the work of some of them like Aragones, Drucker, Martin) he doesn't look too fondly at the magazine as a whole.

He looked at comics again in the 80's, and admitted that while he felt DKR was too grim for his tastes but was an "eye-opener" to him in how Batman was changed. He liked Bill Sienkiewicz's art and started wondering why comic strips didn't try what he does.