Why did nobody like X-Men evolution?

>>91706279
Recently rewatched it

Better than all the other X-men cartoons

>>91706279

One of the best superhero cartoons of all time and it managed to have a good run before getting a rather rushed ending.

Why do you think no one liked it? My dad was a bootyblasted Claremontfag who didn't like how they did the ages, but even he enjoyed it

You must be new

People did like it, though.

There IS a negative opinion about the beginning eps, and coming off the old show I can see why there was butthurt.

But shit really did pick up during the second season

>>91706279
Wasn't bad, but it was all over the place.
>So was the original X-Men TAS and comics
Yeah, but in a good way. The original TAS was loosely following comic arcs which were chaotic because of intention to change direction over time.
This was a show with a direction about high school mutants, then it sort of just wasn't.

I also hated how unresolved some shit was. Like Mystique is this complete murdering piece of shit, but hey she has kids she cares about and I'm supposed to feel bad or think that's complex? No, she tried to murder the X-Kids, the whole mansion, just because and then later Kurt is asking Rogue to try to sympathize with her just because she's their mother? Who gives a fuck, he didn't know that until recently, why does her relation to them suddenly change what sort of person they see her as. She was never around for them. She barely even showed Rogue any kindness in the school when she was, just tolerance. Like all the others.

Oh and it doesn't stop there. At one point Magneto decides to just brainwash Wanda because it's too much work making up for what a terrible piece of shit he's been and everyone just goes with it, especially Pietro who just can't be bothered to care anymore. The only person who does is Toad, and that's played like a joke.

The show wasn't bad, but it found time to piss me off one too many times. Don't get me started on that left field girl power episode. What the freshly squeezed fuck possessed them?

Great Scott though. He was as much a leader as a friend to everyone.

>>91706528
>Don't get me started on that left field girl power episode. What the freshly squeezed fuck possessed them?

Regardless of what it seemed to be about, it was 100% about Weisman perving over teenage girls in leather.
I mean, have you SEEN the character drawings for the show pitch and the interesting...uhh..."instructions" and "comments" Greg gave?

>>91706279
Coming off the relatively big scaled TAS, the first 2 seasons feel slow and it was mostly Roguefags who complained due to how different she was in the show. IMO, it had the best adapted version of Cyclops and Jean. The first time I actually liked them as a couple too. Helps Wolverine wasn't part of the usual love triangle drama.

>>91706279
Best x-23 by far

>>91706580
>have you SEEN the character drawings for the show pitch and the interesting...uhh..."instructions" and "comments" Greg gave?
Do I want to?

>>91706528
>Oh and it doesn't stop there. At one point Magneto decides to just brainwash Wanda because it's too much work making up for what a terrible piece of shit he's been and everyone just goes with it, especially Pietro who just can't be bothered to care anymore. The only person who does is Toad, and that's played like a joke.
Yeah that was fucked. Especially the ending where Magneto woke up from being a Horseman to seeing both of his kids there for him

Fuck them for treating Wanda like that

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Are you kidding? People loved it. Pretty sure it went for quite a few seasons.

>>91706279
I liked the parts where Sabertooth and Wolverine did stupid shit to each other, and including Pietro's quirk of talking fast. Though I wish they kept Kurt's curly hair, but I suppose straight hair is just easier to animate.

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>>91706279
Summarizing I did a month ago.

>>91706655
>Best x-23 by far

Probably because that version's the original.

>>91706738
Alright guys, you're Avalanche, do you try and join the X-men to get a piece of Kitty and how fast do you throw away the fishbowl helmet

>>91706849

>Kitty is an insufferable cunt

I didn't think she was that bad.

>>91706672
I want to!

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>>91706655
Evolution is where she began. But yeah, best version. I prefer the rugged, tough look she has in this version over the generic slut she became in the comics. She's also browner.

>>91706962
Basically this. With a female clone of Wolverine, I expect her to look tough.

>>91706279
tons of people liked it
nobody with taste loved it. it was kiddy popcorn in a lot of ways. the good aspects weren't quite enough to make up for that, but they were good

>>91706580
he's such a hypocrite.
>>91706891
yeah though they did give her different hair, skin, and eye colors.. kinda weird for a clone. is she meant to be half wolverine's DNA doubled, or just his entire DNA replicated except the Y replaced with his X?

Did the weird shading on everyones noses bother any one else?
Looked like they all had broken Owen Wilson noses.

>>91706654
>it was mostly Roguefags who complained due to how different she was in the show.
Really? That's weird, since Goth!Rogue was indisputably the breakout character of the show...

I hope SunsetRider or whatever Gunsmoke's calling himself now finishes that fucking comic.

>>91707178
Dr. Deborah Risman (her creator) was darker so I thought Laura ended up being her genetic daughter like Sarah Kinney in 616

>>91707282
Mostly at first, but she grew on people.

Is this the one where Wolverine always snarled before he talked?

>>91706279
Jay liked it

>>91707282
>>91707750

I thought goth Rogue was an interesting take on the character from the get-go. It always made the most sense to me and still kinda does.

>>91706312
You are stupid

>>91706279
Is this some kind of new meme?

>why dose no one like x

X-Men Evolution is one of the best X-toons. I wish they didn't involve SHIELD though, let's keep the X-Verse self contained.

>>91706312

Not too hard of a feat considering Evolution was actually animated and the old show was maybe a step or two beyond Speed Racer.

>>91706962
I still can't understand why they put in that edgy teen prostitute shit. Evolution's portrayal was just fine.

>>91708026
Making her damaged gives something for the fan boys to gush themselves over with daydreams about "saving" her.

>>91706672
Concise notes on breast appearance and size.

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The REAL best X-men cartoon

>>91709072
Nah

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Fucking loved this show. Kurt/Scott for best bromance.

>>91709131
Friendly reminder their VAs went on to voice Mikami and Light Yagami respectively in Death Note.

post rogue

>>91706279

Prof X had a super comfy voice, he should do documentaries

>>91709072
No fucking way.

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>>91706738

>you will never have sex with rogue, even if she did exist

>>91707880

>that episode that randomly had captain america

>>91709499
So long as she doesn't have a latex allergy, I'd be up to the challenge.

>>91706528
My memory is really bad, but didn't Kurt and Rogue tell Mystique to fuck off when she tried to make things up?

>>91706580
>>91707178
You retards do realize Weisman didn't work on this show, right?

>>91710504
As I recall Kurt was reluctant and Rogue straight up detested her, but when Mystique was turned into a statue Kurt told Rogue to maybe give Mystique a second chance because they don't know how bad her life might have been to excuse abandoning them.

Even though there's really no excuse for why Mystique chose to become a horrible bitch.

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Everyone loved the Brotherhood, if I recall.

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>>91709072

>>91706849
Spyke was cool though.

Storm always gets underplayed because her powers make her a potential deus ex machina at all times. She's anthropomorphic shock and awe, standing in the back and throwing lightning bolts at people.

>>91706279
People really didn't like X-Men: Evolution? It was probably the best X-Men cartoon.

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>>91709194
Gundamfag here.

>>91710779
>The Blob as an emotionally complex character dealing realistically with the effects of being socially awkward (because of his appearance) while also being big and strong enough to fuck up anyone (save other mutants) who glances at him sideways
>With a costume that makes him look halfway badass instead of a joke character
We didn't deserve this show.

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>That grown up Avalanche
Umph

>>91711443
My nigga

>>91711459
The Brotherhood were such solid characters... at least until Wanda showed up, she was a bit much. I like that the Brotherhood became more of a rivalry to the X-Men rather than villains. The element of classism in the show was interesting.

I feel like the biggest problem was how the show literally kiddified alot of the X-men Mythos. Sure, make Nightcrawler, Rogue, and Shadowcat teenagers, but Scott and Jean, too? You couldn't have had Bobby/Iceman or Storm as teens as well? Wolverine and *maybe* beast are the only ones who need to be older. They have a first episode involving Avalanche trying to steal homework answers and centering *alot* of later plots around a normal high school or team building exercises compared to TAS leading in with Night of the Sentinels.

I feel like this is more the fault of Kids WB and whatever bullshit standards they forced on everything (I feel this also ruined some of Batman Beyond for me, too) but really, Evolution may have had good moments but they were mired in Not another High School cartoon bullshit.

>>91711472
I want to hug grown up Blob

>>91711764
Weren't they ALL originally teenagers?

>>91709072
>people actually hating on Kyle and the Yostmen is response to your post

Beside Mojo being a pirate in that one episode the show was pretty tight

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>>91711472
Pyro still looks a bit crazy there, but I'd like to know how he goes from a total loon to being able to function at SHIELD.

>>91711764
I actually feel that some of the censoring was a good thing in the end, since it forced the writers to get creative. Batman The Animated Series made a great use out of censor decoys, and a relatively simple plot could be forced to become more nuanced when you can't take the more pragmatic approach.

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>>91709072
next season would have given us best girl too

>>91706279
I hate when people put controversial statements in the OP to get a conversation going. You fucking know plenty of people loved this show, faggot

>>91711443
Brad Swaile will always be Amuro Ray to me.

>>91709072
Too much fucking focus on Bubs

>>91711472
Now that Avalanche is dead in the comics I genuinely want them to bring in Lance Alvers as a Kitty Pryde of sorts for the Brotherhood of Mutants in the X-Men line. I think it'd be interesting to have him be mentored and grow close to "evil" mutants.

>>91710504
At the very end of the series yeah.

They'd just beaten Apocalypse and freed Mystique from his control and both Kurt and Rogue said they were sick of her shit

>>91710779
Quicksilver is my favorite Marvel hero and I have this show to thank for introducing me to him.

>>91713027
Who?

>>91707282
Is he doing ANYTHING besides the JL game anymore?

>>91711340
That's setting the bar really low, but you are probably right in stating X-Men Evolution was the best X-Men cartoon.

Meanwhile, the DC cartoons were nothing but quality. Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited all were far superior to every Marvel cartoon.

I say this as a huge fan of the X-Men, and grew up watching X-Men TAS and Batman TAS. Then, for those with discerning taste, like myself, we watched the old The Tick cartoon.

>>91706738
Avengers: EMH was the closest thing we'll ever get to a Marvel DCAU in either quality or continuity.

>>91713175
The bangs make me think it's Magik.

because they didn't spank Arcade like the pussy he is.

>>91711764
I think it worked fine. It helped that the characters were likable (except Spyke, but even he got better) and it allowed the series to escalate throughout the seasons and raise the stakes. I mean, we go from Avalanche stealing test answers to Apocalypse by the end of the series.

>>91712408
Kyle and Yost worked on both.

>>91707805
FUCK Jay!

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their character designs awakened my puberty as if it was my mutant power all along

>>91706528
wait how is a lot of that unresolved?

>nightcrawler feeling upset about the loss of mystique
yeah mystique did horrible stuff but she's his mother. he didn't like her but after she got turned to stone he thought "she's awful but I'm not going to let her stay like this ". even if it wasn't shown in the shoe, nightcrawler is heavily Christian and a lot of Christianity's teachings are turn the other cheek and that forgiveness is real.
plus at the end mystique tries to talk to him and rogue and they're both like "save it we're done". so they figured we saved her that's it we don't need her in our life tho.

>the stuff with wanda
yeah it was fucked up but it was also very in character for everyone who knew. magneto didn't want her hunting him down and neither did pietro. toad saw how much happier she was and thought it was better. she went from a being of hatred and destruction to being happy. it's a bit fucked but understandable.

>teen girl episode
that was pure fetish stuff a ton of shows had that. plus kid me had a huge crush on magma

>>91706279
it was fine

back then WB was "put them in high school" crazy and if any property fit in high school it was the X-men

>>91712286
Okay, let me rephrase: the Odious High School aspects of Evolution hurt it more than helped. It made the show feel toothless more than Wolverine telling someone to recycle his water bottle. It felt like the show was dumbing itself down, or worse, talking down to its audience whenever the characters were in the actual high school.

I recall a much later episode after all the kids were outed as mutants and there was some kid who tried to befriend Spyke so he'd beat up his tormentors and Jean lost her sports accolades because she couldn't prove that she didn't cheat with her powers. I feel like either of *those* could have been made the focuses of entire episodes instead of starting off with stealing test answer bullshit or having the characters team build by climbing a mountain together or the dancing scene bullshit that got Sabertooth to attack Rogue and Shadowcat.

>>91706279
Most people liked it. Only old-school fans hated it because they turn everyone into teenagers.

Old school X-fags are cancer.

>>91706279
Tied with Animated for best Apocalypse. His power set is best in Evolution.

>>91706279
Best Nightcrawler

>>91706279
I didn't like it...I *loved* it.

>>91715052
Also best Blob.

>>91706528
>left field girl power episode

That was a great episode.

>>91706897
Bros before hoes.

>>91716811
Pietro isn't going to give you a quickie

Toad might give you a tongue job though

>>91713027
That Magik?

The show had great concept art, that's for sure. Wish it had more seasons.

>>91715052
Worst Colossus, which is surprising because he's one of the easiest characters to adapt ever. Dude likes art and is a bro and is tough as fuck, done.

>>91707282
Was she really? Toad always struck me as such. Rogue was ok, but I don't see the hype, there were even more attractive looking females than her if it's just about wank material.

>>91716881
I do not want to think about how many diseases are on Toad's tongue.

>>91706439
>There IS a negative opinion about the beginning eps

I was trying to remember why I hated it as a kid, but you're right, I only hated the first few episodes and still watched the whole run of the show.

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>>91714827
Hey, man, I'm an oldschool X-fag and I think it's their best X show. It was a fairly well done alternate universe and everything didn't revolve around Wolverine for once. I just wish it had been promoted better and not cancelled so that more characters could get development and to see who else they bring in. There were still so many possibilities.

>>91715117
And best Toad, arguably, though Mortimer and Todd may as well be completely different guys with the same powers.

Instead of being purely a pathetic lackey who inspires disgust and pity he was the underdog with highly nuanced characterization and great humor. He was so damn lovable despite his mutation and personality flaws.

Genuinely liked it. Wished there was more of it.
Feel compelled to watch it again.

>>91715052
No, Claremont's Nightcrawler is best. Evolution did do him justice, though.

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>>91716881
Can always stick it in that crazy slut, Tabitha.

>>91717136
>implying she won't pop a time bomb up your ass hole for kicks

I wouldn't trust her

>>91706279
Is Prof X going to pain scream at that phone?

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>>91709194
It also shared like, 80% of its cast with Inuyasha. Cyclops is actually pretty similar to Miroku in that he always has to have some kind of accessory on or else he could hurt or himself, and he's very, VERY into one of the main female characters. Interesting coincidence that they share the same voice actor.

>>91717180
I've gotta say... I don't really understand how the X-Men can justify condemning the Brotherhood but accepting this legitimate sociopath.

>>91717136
imagine if a version of Nextwave eventually occurs in the Evolution universe

>>91717098
That's largely why Evolution Kurt was great. He was the closest to Claremont's version.

>>91717234
Boom Boom at least tries to do good with the X-men. The aforementioned girl power episode, taking responsibility for her actions when she left the Institute the first time, coming to warn the X-men that Mystique was back

The Brotherhood boys pick fights with the X-kids just for fun and have seriously nearly killed people on multiple occasions when showing off their powers, if it wasn't for the X-men's intervention they would have a lot of victims

>>91706439

Rogue and nightcrawler were done in a dumb way. The whole brotherhood rival school thing was kinda odd. It does improve for sure though. Season 2 really improves things.

I'll give you one thing it did worse than X-Men TAS.
Omega Red. It's jarring to see him being a near-unstoppable terminator in TAS than see him as a bitch who gets taken out in one kick by X-23. TAS Omega was also more charismatic and menacing.

>>91710779
I respect their decision to go with the classic, retarded costume for Avalanche.

>>91711472
fucking metalheads

>>91713283
>>91713342
God fucking dammit, sometimes I wish DC handled the X-Men animations. Imagine X-Men being more stylized and plot-oriented, rather than character and continuity driven?

>>91714827
I don't think old school x-fags hated it.
I do remember that people didn't like it at first, but sort of warmed up to it

>>91706279
I thought people actually enjoyed it, mostly.

>>91717088
Evolution Toad ended up becoming my favorite X character, mainly because in the brazilian dub they got the best VA in the country to do him, it was really odd casting now that I think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aygRj-T6ISs

Then I looked up some stuff on OG Toad and was somewhat disappointed, what's he doing nowadays in the comics?

>>91706279
loved it. Nightcrawler and kitty are very good in it.

Fishing for complements is not an attractive behavior.

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Not enough delicious Jew feet

>>91719777
I like character driven story telling. To be honest I usually find DC characters harder to relate to or less interesting, and this might be why.

Also Evolution was stylized. I'm sorry there wasn't enough sameface/samebody for Batman cartoon fans.

>>91719991
Being sad and lonely off in limbo after loosing his job at the Xavier School for his relationship with a student, Husk. Maybe he's finally necked himself in 616 continuity. Who knows. It often also seems like all Marvel writers remember about him is him being ugly sad and pathetic, so not enough has been done with the 616 character's genius intellect.

Why did you post a video that doesn't show the voice actor doing Toad? lol But yeah, he was my favorite Evo character, too. While the humor was part of what made him lovable I do wish they would've given him some more serious character development moments instead of always playing him for laughs, though. Toad deserved better than to always be the punching bag and butt of jokes.

Evolution was rad as hell. Cyclops pulling off his visor fighting Juggernaut is one of my favorite moments ever.

>>91706279

RARE CHARLES

>>91715052

cheeks deeg tha fozzy dude

>>91706279
Are you kidding me?

I fapped gallons to Kitty/Shadowcat

>>91727410

>I fapped gallons to Kitty/Shadowcat

Fem crawler for me.

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>>91716904
He was okay for the minuscule screen time they gave him, but Colossus is always getting shafted that way when it comes to multimedia.

He only got like two episodes in the old series, had a hype five seconds in the second movie, vanished entirely during the climax of the third, had a blink-and-you'll-miss-it appearance in the first ep of WaTX, and had very little to do except die like a bitch in Days of Future Past.

Deadpool, of all things, was the first to give Big C any sort of respect and did him better than we ever could've hoped.

I wish Peter would've been part of the main cast in Evolution. Their team needed some muscle something fierce, and making him rivals with Blob would've been great. Then the two of them could've teamed up on Juggernaut.

>>91713258
No and even then, he just keep adding shit to it while not finishing other stuff. There's entire portions of the game that aren't even used but he wanted to add in a new character with only a nude scene.

>>91713283
>nothing but quality.
Anon, they produced Legion of Super Heroes and the Zeta Project. I can agree that baman, supahman and JL(U) were top fucking notch, they had some chaff.

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>>91707842
>why dose no one like x

>>91713283
Completely agree. It's not even really being a nostalgiafag when you go back to the old 90's Marvel cartoons, and they're really not that good, but you go back to the DCAU, and most of it is still great.

>>91729971
LoSH was alright. Not bad but not great either. I hardly remember the Zeta Project but I remember everyone hating it, so you might have a point with that too.

You forgot Krypto the Superdog, which was actually pretty bad too. And The Batman wasn't great.

>>91706279
Tried watching evolution after I finished watching all of X-Men TAS, but I got kinda bored with it and drop watching it I think around the episode where they went to alaska or something.

>>91728949
>Deadpool, of all things, was the first to give Big C any sort of respect and did him better than we ever could've hoped.
That might actually not be all that surprising. Reynolds' is a huge comic nerd, and that whole movie was basically his love child.

>>91717234
Wasn't she the main villain of an arc a few years ago?

>>91706279
>ai-yaa, Jackie! Uncle's hair vanish in night!

>>91723893
kek, last time I read anything about Husk she was fighting against Viper alongside the president of Zimbabwe or some shit, I reckon they never used him again.

And yeah I posted the wrong video by mistake, doesn't help that the quality of most footage of the brazilian dub on youtube, outside of full episodes, is potato-like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIn8zG5dqGc

>>91728949

Is Deadpool supposed to be canon with the X-men films (either continuity) or is it it's own thing?

>>91731104
>the same guy that plays superman and samurai jack does the va for toad, cosmo and marvin the martian

He's got some range, I'll give him that.

>>91731338
Cable is showing up in the next one so we might find out then.
Or they will intentionally make it more confusing and fucked just for laughs.

>>91727410

Jean and Storm too
and every other girl pretty much

>>91727410
>>91732892

I gotta say, there were some episodes where Jean, Rogue and Kitty were kinda almost too hot. I don't remember what episodes, but I just remember thinking it at the time.

>>91717513
Personally I really liked this version of Rogue.

>>91709000
That is important stuff though.

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>>91727488
>not regular crawler too

>>91706279
It wasn't good.

>>91709087
>>91709330
>>91711143
You can say that but it's the second best right after TAS.

>>91709072
This is objective fact

>>91733479

i came here to see if this gif was posted
i came here explicitly to look at this gif
i came

>>91733479
Now I see why Morrsion wante to kill Rogue since he wanted best rogue.

>>91706279
People liked it, but they didn't love it. And it wasn't stupid enough to make memes out of. So any reaction to the show now is just "Oh, hey. I remember that show. It was okay!"

>>91734168
>Wolverine wank the series
lol no

Awful, awful character designs.

>>91706704
It's like the show foreshadowed Bendis and Marvel comics shitting on Wanda.

>>91713709
>3/4s rear
I dunno that looks like the whole thing.

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>>91730825
I liked the Zeta Project. I don't remember much about it, but the impression it left on me was something like, "Deus Ex/Batman Beyond except not everything sucks." I liked getting a view outside Gotham that showed that maybe the whole world hadn't completely gone to shit and that the bleakness of Terry's world was just Gotham being Gotham. I get that that can be boring but it can also be comfy.

>>91731035
Nigga that's Captain Black with his eyebrows dyed.

>>91706962

Looks just like Magma though

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>>91706738
Did that lazy fag finally finish the game yet?

>>91706279
I liked it

I want to nut in xavier's ass

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>>91734185
to this city?

>>91736104
I respect the Zeta Project for actually trying to do something new and different in the DCAU and I think it was the last time DC's animation studio tried to do something new that wasn't just an adaptation of something else, which I kinda would like to see another attempt of. I remember liking the main chick and the dynamic between her and the robot. I remember getting some feels because iirc, the girl was a runaway or something like that.

>>91706279
i remember the sentinel from x-men evolution being a total badass.

>>91737550
Not even close.

not muh comics

>>91733526
go away shinji you homo go ruin some other planet

>>91733479
They stole this from a Buffy episode

>>91740412
>respectfully homaged*
FTFY

>>91740412
There were whole scenes in the Girl Power episode that were taken directly from The Craft

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>>91734185
Really? I came here for some of the Fuzzy Dude.

I haven't really gotten a lot of the Fuzzy Dude.

I need more of the Fuzzy Dude.

I dumped many teen loads to the Fuzzy Dude.

>>91741990
Did we ever get to see him shirtless?

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>>91742205
This is the only time I remember seeing it.
https://youtu.be/O-DC8rnTcoI?t=19m21s

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>>91706279
Why do you care, Lex?

And stop calling me!

>>91734761
Eh I find it better than Timm's because of the slightly less stylized anatomy

Has the artist worked on anything else?

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>>91716881

>Pietro isn't going to give you a quickie

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>>91706279
>>91742462
HERRO, IS THIS THE PARTY LINE? WHAT ARE YOU WEARING?

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>>91742462
Oh little girl. Is your large, rectangular metal food refrigeration unit operational?

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>>91742769
>>91742740
I'm afraid this is a secure line chums, you're going to have to hang up, Gotham City is in grave danger!

I self-inserted as Toad and Rogue was my waifu when I was a kid.

But now Quicksilver is my favorite Marvel hero and I want to fuck the shit out of both Rogue and Kitty.

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>>91742849
Rogue was my favorite x man until we got NuRogue.

I always shipped Kurt and Toad, or sometimes Kurt and Spyke (pre-deformed). I can't even list the fetishes that go into it.

>>91706279
Because Prof. X looked like a damn Thalmor.

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>>91742849
>I self-inserted as Toad
Me too, thought I was the only one.

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>>91709072

My nigga

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>>91743075
I wish I could've done that. The best I could do is Blob.

>>91711764

What's wrong with Batman Beyond? It wasn't any kiddier than anything else in the DCAU. In fact the movie is probably the darkest thing to happen in the DCAU.

This tune was sick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE3pU-jXkaU

>>91706279
They fucked up gambit design

But everybodyliked X-Men Evolution.