Marvel's GENERATIONS has been delayed

>>91697412
>Originally announced as running from July to September in an article by its Disney sister company ABC News, Marvel's Generations is now being billed as a two-month project running from August to September according to an advertisement on the back of the Diamond Retailer Summit 2017 Event Guide.
>Questions first arose about this after Generations was absent from Marvel Comics' July 2017 solicitations, but this advertisements seems to confirm the project's postponement one month.

>>91697412
It's Marvel what do you expect the same's probably gonna happen to Secret Empire.

>>91697412
Fuck off! We're a DC board!!

>>91697451
>we

No.

>>91697412
Apparently it's also going to be a part of the "Make Mine Marvel" thing.

>>91697506
>Make Mine Marvel
They're seriously going to call it that?

>>91697490
Waz

>Immediately going back on their word about focusing on classic characters.

>>91697533
Fuck off /v/

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>>91697523
Yes, it's them trying to do a "DC's Rebirth" kinda thing apparently.

>>91697490
Look around you

The hivemind commands

Marvel should be purged

>>91697444
When was the last time a Marvel event wasn't delayed?

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Oh...what an unforeseen turn of events. I might actually care if Marvel books were worth a damn. Call me when the hard reboot happens along with the layoffs

>>91697412
>>91697586
>Marvel's GENERATIONS has been delayed
Already knew it.

>>91697506
>>91697523
First scooped by Rich the Leech.

>>91697642
you realize if a hard reboot ever happened, it'd contain even more of the stuff you hate about Marvel, right?

>>91697642
If anything, Marvel needs more editors since the 2011 culling has resulted in worse stories.

>>91697625
SIXIS?

>>91697600
dubs agree with you

>>91697665
Everyone would be strong, independent, latina lesbians who would be internet savvy and say things like "Holy Menstruation" to remind you that this is a book for millennial girls.

>>91697683
>2011 culling
Source? Anons (anon? you?) mention this in every second Marvel and I've never heard of this before

>>91697752
Agreed, I don't remember a culling in 2011.

>>91697752
>>91697764
http://www.cbr.com/marvel-lays-off-staff-in-cost-cutting-measure/
>Comic Book Resources has learned that Marvel Comics is expected to lay off as many as 15 people today in what’s being characterized simply as a cost-cutting measure, and not based on performance.

>The layoffs come from the editorial and production departments, and include editors Alejandro Arbona and Jody LeHeup. A Marvel spokesperson offered no comment in response to our inquiries.
Ike had to pinch some pennies.

>>91697778
>The layoffs come from the editorial and production departments
the mystery of marvel "editors" is solved!
here, have a scooby snack, scoob

>>91697412
>generations
>literally zero good legacy characters
What did marvel mean by this?

>>91697837
Kamala's pretty good. Amadeus Cho, Laura, and Falcon were good back when they had their own identities.

>>91697778
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/alejandro-arbona/4040-42260/issues-cover/ https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jody-leheup/4040-55808/issues-cover/

>>91697837
It means they want you to like the legacy characters by the end of this story so the old characters can say "I'm glad you've honored my legacy! You're so much better than me!"

>>91697778
>15 assistant editors and logo pasters laid off
I like a little drama as much as the next guy but this sounds ridiculous, drop this shit before you get laughed the fuck out of this board

I also just realised I have no idea how Marvel or DC can actually find an editor who would be both a continuity nut AND a competent person in general. Maybe they should promote Ewing and Waid

>>91697566
That Thor and Thing are not impressed.

>>91697913
Increasing the work load of other people is going to make the quality of that work worse.

>>91697874
>Kamala being femislut muslim trash in Champions/Ciwil war
>Amadeus Cho is literally less interesting Hulk because luck of the only interesting part of the character - Anger
>Falcon is defending illegal refugeers from angry white males
Laura is the okay I guess. But she shouldn't be "Wolverine" It's not a goddamn title. Can't they give her some cool name?

>>91697412
>marvel had gotten so bad that they're delaying things before they even release them now

LMFAO

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Will Generations join the marvel studios return bin.

>>91697913
I don't think editors necessarily need to be continuity nut. That's a job where competency is more important.

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WOOOOOOOW WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY GUESSED

IT'S NOT LIKE THIS COMPANY PRIDES ITSELF ON BEING UNPROFESSIONAL FAGGOTS OR ANYTHING

>>91697956
Continuity IS bread and butter of superhero fiction.

Marvel films got as successful as they did simply on the promise on continuity (whether or not the Avengers movies actually delievered on that is a topic for another thread).

>>91697412
>We decided to do copy what DC did for JL vs SS and crap out these events as fast as possible by having multiple artists and have no delays
>Still have delays
Oh I'm laughing.

>>91698058
I mean maintaining continuity should be the job of the writer, who does the creative stuff and stories, and editors should do the technical stuff like spellchecking and grammar and all that.

>>91698092
Editors are also needed to keep shit like Superman and Barda doing porn from happening.

>>91698092
That's not what a comics editor is, anon. Writers are work-for-hire. Editors are there to make sure they keep in line with continuity. You are thinking of "editor" in non-comic terms. A comic writer shouldn't be sending in scripts with spelling errors in the first place. So while yes, the also edit scripts for spelling and grammar, but their biggest job is maintaining continuity and making sure the comics adhere to the company's vision, among many other things of which "spelling and grammar checking" is just a small portion of. Thing is that Big 2 comics have a balancing act of usually different people doing the writing, pencils, inking, lettering, coloring and covers. The editor needs to coordinate between all these people and make sure everyone gets what they need in time to hit their deadlines while everyone doing their part right without mistakes. And they have to do this for multiple books, which is why assistant editors are important to offload some of the more time-consuming but basic tasks like spelling and grammar checking. A lot can slip through the cracks with all those moving pieces. You need good editors to keep that together and competent Assistant Editors for shit like spellchecks. Marvel has a bunch of overworked editors who aren't even that great of an editors on a good day, and a general lack of competent assistant editors. Which makes sense, since the work conditions are terrible and the pay isn't great because Perlmutter is at the helm. If someone was a good editor, they could probably get a better job somewhere other than Marvel.

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>>91698411
I see. Thank you for the info anon

>>91697412
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/marvels-generations-original-wolverine-hulk-iron-man-return/story?id=46331912
>Is this self-contained? Is this an alternate timeline?
>In one word: No.
>"These stories do happen, they really count. They really matter. This isn't some alternate reality story or some time-travel story," Alonso explained.
>This isn't some alternate reality story or some time-travel story," Alonso explained
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/04/marvels-generations-anyway/
>The series will see current, more diverse or younger heroes, getting “zapped” out of the universe for a second or two, for a one-off adventure with their legacy equivalent character, then return back to the current Marvel Universe. That’s it. Hyping it as more than that could be a mistake. These are feel good all in one

>>91697412
>10-way crossover

this is why everyone hates you now

>>91698537
It's just 9 one-shots about each pair written by the ongoing's writers and a prologue issue to explain how it all happened. Not really a crossover.

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>>91697412
>>91697433
Sounds more like a damage controll.
Will this not pressure the shops and fans to order all floppies than see in July that the series doesnt sell this good and correct the numbers for september?

>>91698411

you also have to keep in mind that most books (for the big 2) have at least 2, maybe 3, editors working on them.
a main editor who oversees multiple books, and an assistant editor who does the actual day to day editing (spellcheck, continuity maintenance, deadline adherence)

>>91698411
Brilliantly written anon, although your grammar was faulty in some places. You should find an editor.

>>91698637
lol.
You would sacrifice your mother for a joke.
But you have the spirit of 4chan!

They're now reporting that ABC News was incorrect in ITS reporting, and that August/September was the intended release date the whole time.

So I guess it took Marvel a whole month to realize ABC said it wrong? Sure.

>>91699461
They are going with "our sister company misinterpreted the information we gave them"? Really? It was literally a month. That, plus them lying about the time travel-ish stuff makes me wonder if anything in that early report was right

>>91699461
sauce?

>>91698411
>If someone was a good editor, they could probably get a better job somewhere other than Marvel.

This has pretty much happened. Both Mike Marts and Katie Kubert left Marvel for other publications after their new jobs at Marvel didn't turn out well. I think the only one from DC still there is maybe Will Moss.

>>91699793
The OP link updated:

>Updated April 20, 2017 at 10:27 a.m. Eastern: Since the publication of the original article (below), Marvel has informed Newsarama that ABC News incorrectly reported in their March 24 article that Generations would run from July to September.

>Following Newsarama's initial conversation with Marvel this morning, ABC News updated their original story to read that Generations "launches in August and runs through September." Marvel has confirmed that as the current and original planned schedule for Generations.

How do you delay something that was stillborn?

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>>91699717
>That, plus them lying about the time travel-ish stuff makes me wonder if anything in that early report was right


not the first time

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>>91699461
>ABC News was incorrect in ITS reporting, and that August/September was the intended release date the whole time

>I-it's not delayed!
>Our sister channel misreported it!
HOUSE OF LIES STRIKES AGAIN!

>>91699837
Sasuga.

Marvel Comics editors and interns are on an all-time low.

>>91697412
Who cares? It's going to be shit like everything Marvel produces.

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>>91699461
>They're now reporting that ABC News was incorrect in ITS reporting
How could one company JUST itself so much in the span of a year? Oh, for a moment I forgot who's in charge right now.

>>91700145
Why are there only men?
Thats sexist.

>>91700172
Sana Amanat has also done her fair share to ruin Marvel by encouraging the replacement of classic heroes with diversity.

did it have an original date? it makes more sense post-secret empire anyway.

whatever, they're hastily revamping it to be a silver age hand job bc people online have complained so much. it might not be a disaster but yeah....

>>91699892
>turning a story about a delay into fake news

So this is the power of Marvel Comics.

>>91699461
Ike: "TELL THEM IT WAS FAKE NEWS! ALWAYS WORKS FOR MY BUDDY!"

>>91697944
>Getting rid of those What If books
signs of a true pleb to be honest

>>91700211
>That brought the discussion back to the decay in sales over time. "What do you want us to do?," Gabriel asked. "Look at Secret Empire, you've got four months. I can guarantee you in the last two months the sales are going to go down, because they do on every event, in every story, and everything we do."

>"We have to look at that and say, ‘We need something to prop up those last two months, not just for us but for all of you.’ That's where the sales idea of Generations came from (it was more editorial). Then we're getting into the end of our year. You're going to have Secret Empire, which is going to be down. You're going to have Generations in the second month in September which is going to be down because of the way things go.
The last two months of Secret Empire are July and August but then he says Generation's second month is September so who knows what their plan was.

>>91700211
one of the Secret Empire solicits mention 1000 people go missing ala Secret Wars 1, so I assume Generations spins out of that.

i'm out of the loop. what's Generations supposed to be?

>>91700948
See>>91698504

>>91700948
Shitty cash in to cover Marvel's ass.

>>91697412
Meh I just don't see how Marvel has the talent to pull this off.

>>91700948
>According to Axel: Hey Fans! We'll bringing back the original heroes for good and for realisies! This ain't some one-shot timetravel or alternate universe story. Totes promise! Make sure you buy preorder a hundred issues!
>Reality: a bunch of one-shots where the legacy characters time travel to the past and meet the heroes in a story that probably won't matter.

>>91700642

>Steve takes out all the heroes and shutters them off to a side dimension

that's not a bad natural set up for a tie in thing

>>91699461
Really? Really?

>>91697913
5¢ deposited

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Six years ago it felt like Marvel could do no wrong while DC could not stop shitting their pants. They could put out a book of Spider-man drinking coffee for 23 pages for $4.99 and have it get a 3rd printing.

What happened to this company?

>>91702795
What? 6 years ago Aquaman was outselling every Marvel book

>>91697684
Civil bore II

>>91702795
New 52 didn't happen yet, though, it started August/September.

>>91702866
No, earlier than that. ANAD was not selling well to the point that retailers were starting to get worried (because it meant that not only was DC not selling well at the time, since this was the DCYou period, if Marvel was also not selling, then it'd be disastrous).

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>>91702795

the characters people enjoyed reading about were slowly faded out for new characters, and people got tired of the endless events, which was exacerbated by the fact the events revolved around alot of new characters that as i said people didnt really care about (with some notable exceptions)

They shot themselves in the foot then nutpunched themselves in the span of 2-4 years.

Now they're going to have to crawl back out of the hole they've dug for themselves, probably won't happen for a good 2 years at least as they reverse all the stupid shit theyve done..

But the saving grace for them is that the movies/merch are doing as well as they should realistically expect, so its really just the comics division thats completely shat the bed.

>>91702795
Some of Marvel's crew left for image.
Writers (like Slott, Bendis, Hopeless) grew stale.
The status quo was boring for many characters.
Higher ups force stuff like Inhumans on writers.
Going overboard on books.
And overall, it feels like no one knows where to take the Marvel universe. Like they are running out of ideas (Miles Spider-Men 2, Who is Thor? 2. Deadpool kills the Marvel universe 2).

>>91697944
Why would you buy that shit in the first place?
>Ahmigod I love comics, Augh!
>one month later: OK, I have taste now, thanks, /co/!

>>91697412
>>91703397
Why Jean?

>>91704357
why falcon and cap
they teamed up all the time it's why cap gave him the mantle in the first place

>>91702953
>the movies/merch are doing as well
With all legacy heroes.
Makes you think, Marvel?

I have the feeling "Fear Itself", "Schism" and "Avengers vs X-Men" was the point were it slowly faded to bad.

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>>91703397
>new generation
>Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers

I get the whole frozen in ice thing but they're like the same age

>>91706544
And Falcon fought along with steve several years and last years.
You are right he isnt really a new generation.

>>91703397
Guess no retro costumes for ironman and Thor.

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BORN TO JOB~

WORLDS A WORK

botch them all 1989

Im janettty man

Bajillion spots missed

>>91703397
Captain mar-vell?

Retro carol is listed as cap marvel not ms marvel.

>>91703397
>it's shit and it's two more months of shit
Yay, it was fucking nothing

>>91702795
>Six years ago
>What happened to this company?
Did you read the thread?

Back in 2011 Jewmutter cut the Editorial in half:
>>91697778

>>91699818
When did Katie Kubert leave cause didn't she edit Mockingbird?

>>91698365

Fuck you. That shit is great!

Almost as good as Luke Cage invading Latvaria over $50 that Doctor DOOM owns him.

>>91698365

wait, what?

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>>91710798

John Byrne wrote a story involving some weird New Gods character who makes porn and captures Superman and Big Barda and Scott Free has to rescue them.

It's also that story which has Darkseid chilling on the couch in Scott Free's apartment.

>>91703397
>no Nova
Double RIP

>>91697412
Gotta rewrite that ending to shill some more, right?

>>91697625
Secret Empire is on schedule so far. IvX and Standoff before that.

>>91709759
He owed $200, anon.

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You know, there's something very familiar with these covers.

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>>91712999
I just can't quite put my finger on it.

>>91712999
>Old X-23Verine costume

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>>91713016
Oh well. It'll come to me eventually I suppose.

>Legacy character name over the original one.
LEL And people thought this Marvel Rebirth thing was going to be for real.

>>91703397
>Sam Alexander and Dick Rider in the promo artwork
>not in the actual Generations event

They had one job.

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>>91713039
Why does DC keep ripping off Marvel? Fuck, they ripped off Kamala with this Supergirl cover.

>>91713039

Kek

>>91699717
>plus them lying about the time travel-ish stuff

Seriously? It's gonna be time travel? They were asked about that and they said no, that's the only reason I was interested at all.

Has Marvel released a single event in the past 5 years that actually went on schedule?

>>91714944
I thought AXIS finished on time.

>>91703397
>Carol: Captain Marvel
>Mar-Vell: Captain Mar-Vell

>Kamala: Ms Marvel
>Carol: Captain Marvel

Jesusfuck Marv can't even have his own title anymore.

>>91707019
It'd be cool to see him join Steve and Bucky during WWII. Especially if he has misgivings with the current Hydra Cap and exploded Bucky situation.

>>91703397
When is marvel going to crawl in a hole and die. I'm sick of them ruining my favorite characters.

>>91713113
Post the kamala one

>>91697566
That Iceman looks distracted... perhaps by manass?

>>91702795
>10 years ago nobody knew any marvel heroes other than spiderman
>today Marvel's name is bigger than ever with tons of tv shows, movies and merchandise
>only the comics are dying despite other comic publishers doing well

How did Marvel screw up so badly when they've got everything going for them?

>>91697412

I don't even care anymore

fuck marvel

>>91702795
>Six years ago it felt like Marvel could do no wrong while DC could not stop shitting their pants.

6 years ago DC launched New 52 and had great sales. I honestly have no idea what Marvel was doing 6 years ago

>not posting the titles of all ten and most of their interior artists
OP is still a fag for not paying close attention to the July 2017 solicits.

GENERATIONS: THE BEST starring Wolverine and All-New Wolverine
>Written by Tom Taylor
>Art by Ramon Rosanas

GENERATIONS: THE AMERICAS starring Steve Rogers and Sam Wilson
>Written by Nick Spencer
>Art [and cover] by Paul Renaud

GENERATIONS: THE BRAVEST starring Captain Mar-Vell and Captain Marvel
>Written by Margie Stohl
>Art by Brent Schoonover

GENERATIONS: THE THUNDER starring The Mighty Thor and The Unworthy Thor
>Written by Jason Aaron
>Art by Mahmud Asrar

GENERATIONS: THE STRONGEST starring Bruce Banner and Amadeus Cho
>Written by Greg Pak

GENERATIONS: THE ARCHERS starring Clint Barton and Kate Bishop
>Written by Kelly Thompson

GENERATIONS: THE IRON starring Iron Man and Ironheart
>Written by Brian Michael Bendis
>Art by Marco Rudy

GENERATIONS: THE MARVELS starring Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel
>Written by G. Willow Wilson

GENERATIONS: THE SPIDERS starring Peter Parker and Miles Morales
>Written by Brian Michael Bendis
>Art by Ramon Perez

GENERATIONS: THE PHOENIX starring Phoenix and Jean Grey
>Written by Cullen Bunn


>AMERICAS
>BEST
>STRONGEST
>THUNDER
Told 'ya: >>91669571


PR from editorial:
>“Marvel’s greatest icons return to the page this August, paired with the next generation of the Marvel Universe,” said Marvel Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso. “However, do all our heroes emerge from Generations as they entered, or become something greater? If you want to know where Marvel is headed in the future, you don’t want to miss Generations.”
>"Running August to September, this 10-issue maxi-series put to the test in this universe-wide team-up that will shed light on the most pressing questions about the future of the Marvel Universe, and the fate of everyone’s favorite heroes," said Marvel.com Senior Editor Ben Morse.

>>91717912
>great sales
Yep, a solid 5% increase of new readers. come on dude it was everywhere

>>91718039
Are you retarded? Are you arguing with stats? Before the New52 DC was pulling DCYou numbers and then when New52 launched they crushed Marvel for a few months and stayed competitive with the occasional win for a few year until Convergence.

>>91717911
>fuck marvel
Take it back Ayer, like the big pussy you are

>>91718083
>>91718039
Nice shilling, bro.

>>91700145
Where's Bendis?

>>91718066
dc shill...or dc cuck... lets be fair , you choose

>>91710798
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleez

>>91718087
>bro
wOW.. no retard, no autistic?. you have class, bad taste but class.

>>91718100
>>91718127
>I'm so mad that I cannot eve write properly

>>91718024
fuck man, all of them are gonna be the same 'I don't accept you but at the end of the issue I do' bullshit aren't they?

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>>91717806

>>91718235
>Boy you sure are great
>I'm glad your taking my place one day
>Winks at reader

>>91718024
Well I can tell those are all going to suck so much major dick.

>>91718517
Even Pak? I heard he's entertaining.

>>91713016
>>91713039
>>91718399

HOUSE OF IDEAS

>>91698058
Maybe if you're a huge fucking faggot.
A good story matters more than accidentally having Thor in two places at once.

>>91697412
>10-way crossover, whatever that means, but can't be a good thing
>ruined by Ross' "art" in any case
yeah no thanks

>>91713991
They know that.
That's why they said it wasn't.

>>91718024
>Captain Mar-vell
Oh eat a fucking dick Marvel!

>>91718875
>implying he will be on interior art for one of the remaining four titles

>>91719018
A Ross cover already ruins a book.

>>91719628
Is it worth storytiming anyway?