Characters You Like But Can Admit Have Annoying Fans.

>>91645143
I can't think of a single character whose fans aren't annoying except the ones with no fans

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>>91645143

Young Justice fans are angry (deservedly and waifufags (undeservedly). It's still a good cartoon.

TTG is a guilty pleasure some times though

>>91645143
Wally
Jason (yes I like Red Hood)
Deadpool
Doom

I like them all, but fans are annoying.

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>>91645199
Been getting a lot of mileage out this picture lately.

>>91645143
Red Hood, Orphan/Blackbat, Damien Wayne, Tim Drake and Harley Quinn. They're some of the most worst fucking fans I've ever seen, not all of them mind you but a good portion of them are just cancer and need to play in traffic.

>>91645143
>Say Barry coming back was a mistake because the point of the Flash is to go forward not backward
>YOU ARE A WALLY FAG, DON'T YOU REALIZE I DON'T READ THE COMICS AND ONLY WATCH THE SHOW AND FUCKING LOVE BARRY!

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Despite the cathartic value of the fantasy of instant, universal justice where everyone gets locked up regardless of money, class or status, every time I see some dumbass say something like "Yeah we totally need Judges in the real world" I just want to bash their heads in with a hardcover copy of America. For all their increasingly few redeeming features, judges and their system are something to be avoided, not desired.

>>91645733
You do realize you're only proving the point of this thread?

>>91645787
The point is that everyone who is against Barry being The main Flash forever is considered to be a Wallyfag. It's just newfags and casuals getting mad that people are against their shows MC.

>>91645694
Might as well just say any fans of the Batfamily at that point.

>>91645865
Barry's been the main flash since 2008. Granted, it's only BECAUSE WB and DC wanted him to be the definitive flash in the movies and shows, and does go against the idea of legacy and moving forward that has been part of the character, but we have to give up at some point and just accept that this is how it'll be in the era of movie synergy.

>>91645865
Yeah, you just give this thread more reason to exist.

>>91646035
How so? To show that strawmaning a good argument to "Muh Wallyfags" is a horrible argument?

>>91645972
The movies are a cancer on DC comics. The movies pretty much retconned a lot of in cannon Marvel stuff but at least Marvel was shit at the time any ways. The DC movies are actively ruining good stuff. Maybe if we are lucky the writers of the TV show and movies will be smart enough to kill off Barry and replace him with a new flash to market.

>>91646109
To show you're just being a faggot.

>>91646134
Faggot

>>91646159
>>91646178
Someone seems pooper puttered.

>>91645165
This

>>91646159
>Well explained reason why something is bad
>Y-YOU ARE JUST BEING A F-FAGGOT
CW intern, please.

>>91645694
Especially the power level fags and the HarleyIvy shippers, holy shit

>That one Carol faggot that makes Carol threads and gets mad when people post the real golden age Captain marvel instead
>That one Barry faggot that comes into every thread who admits he only started at new52 and thinks Barry is better because he sells more
I don't hate fans, I hate individual anons.

>>91646159
>>91646178
>Barryfag get's BTFO
kek

I came here to post Damian, but looking at this thread I can tell OP was right on the money.

>>91645143
Dick Grayson and Jason Todd

Fans just want to fuck them, Dickfags insist Dick is like the best Batman ever, and Jasonfags either think he's OMG SO BADASS or want him to basically replace Dick and his life

>>91648023
>or want him to basically replace Dick and his life
Literally I have never seen any of his fans saying that. They actually get offended whenever someone dare to compare Jason to dick.

>>91648023
Why does it annoy you that his fanboys think that he's badass?

>>91647525
If anything this thread is showing how petty and easily upset the 3 Barryfags on /co/ are. It's clear this thread was a sad attempt by one of them.

>>91648023
Dick is better than bats though.

>>91648237
Oh please, he was just a vanilla Batman.

>>91648215
I remember some Cass fan said the same thing once about Babs fans in other thread talking about worst fans.

Legacy fans are literally the worst especially Cass and Wally fans (also Damian's).

>>91648096
No, they just want Jason to be better than Dick in every single way

Wally
Doom
Batman

>>91648382
Every fan want his favorite character to be the best. It's not exclusive to them and I actually rarely see them talking about Dick.

Also, Dick fans hate Jason more than Jason fans hate Dick.

>>91648379
But Wally fans make up the vast majority of /co/. Don't think liking Wally means you have to hate the rest. Most of /co/ are Jay fans as well. OP >>91646159
>>91646178 are butt hurt Barryfags that don't read comics though.

>>91648607

>A screaming minority is now a majority, somehow

>>91645143
Cass Cain

>>91648654
>Screaming minority
Says who? The vast majority of Flash fans like Wally. This is a fact. He always makes up the best of /co/'s runs. The only minority is the same Barry "fans" who get upset that people who actually read the comics like all the flashes and think Barry shouldn't have come back as "The" Flash.

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>>91648654
>screaming minority

>>91648654
>Screaming Minority
You mean the 3 Barry fans who started with new52 and somehow actually liked that filth?
The flash fans on /co/ consist of
>People who read the comics in the 90s
>People who watched JL in the 90s
>The small number of people who started with the TV show and haven't read the comics or watched Justice League

>>91650855
OP made this thread to complain about Wally (Again) and you better not get in the way of his delusion.

>>91645787
>>91646035
>>91646159
Barryfags are more annoying OP, evidence is right here.

>>91645787
>>91646035
>Point of his post was to prove how he ISN'T a Wallyfag AND Barryfags are just strawmanning hard
>FUCK YOU WALLYFAG YOU'RE PROVING OUR POINT FOR US RIGHT HERE
Do you have any sort of self-awareness left? If so, read the thread again and tell me what you think about it.

>>91646159
>>91646178
And so the truth is revealed and the Barryfag is spotted.
>B-But muh CW!
Wally>Prof Zoom>Jay>Bart>Barry

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>>91650913

Anyone who's gone back and read Silver Age and Bronze Age Flash prefer Barry too. But Wally fags are so "not muh" that they will literally never read books with Barry in them, even though Wally was introduced in those books.

When Barry came back in Final Crisis I legit cried.

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>>91647811
I love Nova, but absolutely this. His real hardcore fans are actual crazy people

>>91651492
>Anyone who's gone back and read Silver Age and Bronze Age Flash prefer Barry too
I don't. He's bland as shit. I'm also not a Wallyfag even tho I prefer him compared to Barry by a lot (because Wally has an actual personality), but I like Bart better. Also you could be a Jay fag and dislike Barry. Or Max Mercury. But sure, keep building your strawman.

>>91651492
>Anyone
No.
>posts gif from shitty synder film
kek.

>>91651492
It's like reading Silver Age X-Men, anon. It's not LOATHSOME, it's just not as good or impactful as the Claremont stories.

>>91651492
>Silver age
Barry was fun because of all the cool things he could do. But he was only cool because of what he could do, not for who he was. Wally is a more developed character and so was Jay and Bart. Wally had objectively better comics than Barry and was the better character.

>>91651492
>I like Barry
>Posts a gif from a character who definitely isn't Barry
Thanks for confirming that Barryfags don't read comics.

>>91645143
Honestly fuck Booth, he's the world's worst Wally fan because his art sucks and he insists on drawing the fuck

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>>91645143

>>91649840

Nah.

>>91645143
Everyone has annoying fans, Wally's fans just have the admittedly correct feeling of persecution because their favorite character got fucked super hard on top of being lied to.

>>91645143

Bucky Barnes man

Batman

/thread

>>91648379
Yes Barryfag everyone but you is annoying.

Stephfags

Its weird how mediums that aren't comics get Barry personality right. He should be like wally lite but more serious and not a faggot.

I hate Wallyfags. They're in the same camp as Kylefags and Dickfags who love to insist their legacy character is the greatest and most awesome ever and also are the only heroes in the universe with actual character. They also only seem to care about other characters who interact favorably with their husbando.

>>91652598
Hello, Barrygfag. You may not know this but Barry is a legacy character too, and that you guys do the very same thing. Hell, Geoff Johns very much one of you.

>>91652688
We don't want any trouble anon, just let us Barryfags be on our way.

>>91652688

Thanks for proving my point about the low quality fanbase. For what it's worth I don't give two shits about the Flash. Any of them.

>>91652778
Nice try, but a Barryfag made this very thread to start trouble.

>>91652809
>Doesn't care about Flash
>Tries to single out one fanbase

Ok anon.

So reading this thread I can safely conclude that Barryfags are the answer.

>>91652598
Wally is better than Barry and Dick is better than Bruce. They both are more developed and better characters. There is nothing wrong with complaint about boring static characters who don't change specificallyto appeal to casuals.

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The Poison Ivy league is a joke. I should be mad about them wanting to iron all the complexity out of my first waifu, but I just kind of feel sorry for them.

>>91645633
That is a god-awful look for Lorna. What the fuck were they thinking?

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>>91652927
>Wally is better than Barry and Dick is better than Bruce
Aquaman is better than all four.

>>91652598
>Why can't we use the same unchanging boring characters for all eternity!
This is pretty much anyone who gets mad at people who appreciate Roy,Wally or Dick for changing things up.

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>>91645633
>beast
>sabretooth
>that star guy
>bishop
>banshee
>>>>>>>>fans

>>91652575
Comic Barry is so boring that they basicallyturn him into rip off Wally. Barry in comics still doesn't have a real personality. I prefer wise uncle Barry but D.C. Movies and tv want him to be le nerd culture Barry.

>>91652987
>>Why can't we use the same unchanging boring characters for all eternity!
You're literally doing the same thing though

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>Legacyfags

>>91652955
But Black Manta is better than aquaman. Also injustice is a shit fighting game.

>>91653028
>Comic Barry is so boring that they basically turn him into rip off Wally
It kind of makes since because he did train Wally but he should be more than Wallylite.

>>91653029
How? I just don't a new flash character and for a new Robin to take Bats place. I never said they have to be Wally or Dick.

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>>91653059
>2017
>liking Blazblue or KI

>>91653056
>Muh Status quo

>>91653093
King of fighters and Guilty Gear. Injustice a shit.

>>91647646
Damifag is a joy and a treasure and frequently the best part of Wednesday storytimes.

>>91648382
Jason's entire appeal is that he was the quest Robin and has gotten the farthest away from the Batman. I don't understand how people can say they like him and then treat him like he belongs back in Gotham.

>>91653056
Legacy characters are the best because the writers can actually develop a character and give them a good ending. Bat gags corpse will never be put to rest.

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>>91653123
>King of fighters and Guilty Gear
Have some self respect man. I was throwing you a bone with Blazblue and KI ,but KOF and GG?

>>91653143
>quest Robin
Meant to say worst Robin.

>>91653148
I am actually making a video about The flash and how Barry popularized legacy characters which greatly improved the comic book medium.

>>91653174
KOF and GG are the best current fighters and Injustice is the worst along with mkx

>>91653110
Don't you like reading the same story over and over again anon? Are you saying you aren't 4 years old?

>>91653211
Don't test me

>>91653274
It's true. Why do you think they aren't played at EVO? They are shit and casual. I already tested you and you get an F

>>91652927

In what way is Dick a "better character" and "more developed" than Bruce. Saying dumb shit like this is why people think your fanbase is so garbage.

>>91653466
He developed as a character through years and actually aged. Same with Wally and Roy. You saw these characters change over time and mature.

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>>91653411
>SFV is the best fighting game of the past 2 years
Just go anon.

>>91653466
I could write a more developed character than Bruce in 4 paragraphs.

>>91648483
Nah, it's definitely the other way around. A lot of Dick fans are just Titans fans and don't care about Jason. Jason fans, on the other hand, are always screaming that he needs to be the greatest fighter in the world

>>91653535
Who are you quoting? SFV was an all around failure because they released the game 9 months before it was actually finished.

>>91653143
Probably because the only worthwhile stories he has take place in Gotham.

>>91653576
Your saying that if it isn't at EVO then its trash yet SFV is on there all the time.

>>91653599
SFV was on there because despite having no content it's a competent fighter. Injustice literally isn't deep enough to even be on that level. A half finished fighter is better than a nonfighter

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>>91645143
Not just him, but Rick and Morty in general.
The fans just spout out memes and quotes like that alone is funny.

>>91653550

It took Morrison multiple years across multiple titles to do his character. You, by extension, will never accomplish anything beyond reading a record number of fanfiction stories I bet.

>>91653526

And you don't think Bruce has changed or developed as a character? Go ahead and read his character through the decades, he's a vastly different character than he was 30 years ago, who was a vastly different character than he was 30 years before that.

>>91653056
Barry Allen and Hal Jordan are both legacy characters.

>>91653466
By virtue of Bruce being the same exact character since the 1980s. He's literally not grown or changed as a person in the slightest. At most he's schizophrenic due to being pulled in every direction from every writer because he shows up in so many books.

But any marginal differences said writers make get washed out and he returns to the same Miller inspired Dark Knight he's been forever.

With Dick you can certainly say he's changed, from his NTT to Nightwing days.

>>91653744
He did not actually develop tho, he just acted differently according to the writer. Good sign for the difference between that and a character developing is that the universe changes with the character. Silver Age Batman did not progress into becoming 80s Batman, the universe just changed and so did the character.

>>91653692
You see, you just a hating nigga. Just full of shit.

>>91653836
You can't say he didn't develop when you look at him in Year One, and then chart how he developed over Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Ego, Knightfall, No Man's Land, etc

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>nobody's posted pic related yet
objectively accurate.

>>91653934
>edgy faggot then
>edgy faggot now
I don't see the differenece desu. He got developed better skills and occasionally got a cool relationship to another character like with cass, but he could have had that same relationship in year one and literally nothing would feel out of character.

>>91653844
You are right. I hate it because it's a bad game with a dead community and no depth.

>>91654045
(me)
Okay, what the fuck happened there. I'll fix that one a bit.
>I don't see the difference desu. He developed better skills and occasionally had a cool relationship to another character (cass comes to mind), but he could have had that same relationship with her in Year One and literally nothing about it would feel out of character.

>>91653744
There is a difference between a character being written by different writers and actually developing. Bateman has acted the same for over 25 years. Writers are too scared to touch him. Wally and Roy on the other hand show true development. I can think of arcs that had real noticeable effects on the character.

>>91653936
Thread is for fans of a character with a shit fanbase. Not just characters with a shit fanbase.

Legacy characters and side kicks are objectively better than non legacy because the writers can actually evolve the character. If a person honestly thinks Bats or Barry are better characters than Dick or Wally you can safely assume they don't read comics.
Yes Barry is a legacy character but johns is trying to reverse that.

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>>91651516
Were they crazy to begin with or did Marvel intentionally create a hatedom because Brevoort said angry fans are better for sales? Or was it just Bendis being Bendis again?

>>91654141
as much as I'm concerned I'm a fan of all things pool.
except early gwenpool that shit was terrible

>>91654165
You can safely assume they only read Batman comics, which is like 50% of DC's readerbase.

>>91654065
Injustice has a lot of depth for a game with only 2 entries. No need to argue man. Have a good day

>>91653190
Yeah, that's right my guy. Plug your youtube channel.

>>91654045
>>91654078
>>91654101

Tower of Babel and Infinite Crisis both had long-lasting effects on his character and the way others interacted with him. Both written in the past 25 years. Not to mention Morrison going through all of his characterizations throughout his entire history. Also Dini's 'Tec which forced him to face emotions he had locked away after Jason's death.

That's not even talking about his development into a much more somber and serious character during O'Neil's run and him becoming more violent, dark, and standoffish after Jason's death. Seriously go read Wein's run and Moench's first run on the character and tell me he hasn't developed since then. Also Knightfall and No Man's Land forced him to confront his weaknesses as a hero and by extension made way for a larger active Batfamily.

Your positions come from a place of ignorance. I mean even if you're just a Dickfag, look at how differently Bruce was handled from his original Nightwing origin in Teen Titans and Batman to Nightwing Year One. Almost night and day, all because of the difference in pre- and post-Jason Batman.

>>91654446
Tower of Babel didn't change Batman. He stood firm that he was right and the only thing that came of it was that the Justice League eventually just let it go and accepted that he's a paranoid freak who's going to plot on how to take them down.

Death in the Family is still the same 1980s transformation that was predicated by being Miller's Batman. The point is that Batman hasn't changed since the 80s grim dark knight, mentioning an 80s storyline doesn't help your point.

Infinite Crisis didn't have much of an effect on him, either. He was the same character before and after.

Different writers have vaguely different takes on him. You can overemphasize them all you want but he always reverts to the same character he's been since 1990.

>>91654266
>Implying I shill my channel
I might post a webm of what I got done so far later today if the thread is still up.

>>91654446
>Tower of Babel and Infinite Crisis both had long-lasting effects on his character and the way others interacted with him. Both written in the past 25 years. Not to mention Morrison going through all of his characterizations throughout his entire history.
Not really tho, the universe rebooted a decade later. And even if that hadn't happened, honestly? No one would have remembered it apart from a casual mention after a few years and you knoow that.
>

That's not even talking about his development into a much more somber and serious character during O'Neil's run and him becoming more violent, dark, and standoffish after Jason's death. Seriously go read Wein's run and Moench's first run on the character and tell me he hasn't developed since then. Also Knightfall and No Man's Land forced him to confront his weaknesses as a hero and by extension made way for a larger active Batfamily.
Again, edgy faggot then, edgy faggot now. Jason's death is something that weighs on his character and gives him emotional weight, but not development. Which doesn't mean Bruce is a bad character, but he does not develop. However, Bruce is at least a good character on his own, even if he doesn't develop and never will in a way that lasts. Barry is just shit.

>>91654236
it's a zone fest with gimmicks that don't elevate competitive play like interactables and gear loot

>>91654597

>Tower of Babel didn't change Batman. He stood firm that he was right and the only thing that came of it was that the Justice League eventually just let it go and accepted that he's a paranoid freak who's going to plot on how to take them down.

And that's still a part of the character today. Thanks for backing me up on that.

>Death in the Family is still the same 1980s transformation that was predicated by being Miller's Batman. The point is that Batman hasn't changed since the 80s grim dark knight, mentioning an 80s storyline doesn't help your point.

So you're admitting he did develop as a character? Thanks, you're practically arguing FOR me at this point.

>Different writers have vaguely different takes on him. You can overemphasize them all you want but he always reverts to the same character he's been since 1990.

Now you're just being silly. To reiterate my point, look at how Batman interacted with, say, Catwoman in the 80s, to the 90's, to today's post-Dini and post-Brubaker interactions. Disregarding shit writers like Finch, it's a different dichotomy thanks to the evolution of both characters. While it used to seem flighty, playful, and antagonistic, it's much more serious and sentimental these days. You can say the same for many of his relationships. Just look at how he handles Jason these days. I think a big reason why he treats Jason so much better these days is because of his time with Damian.

>>91655095
These are such small differences that it is even vague if it did stay with him. 90s batman and modern batman are almost exactly the same character with minor tweaks and he even seems the same age wise.

>>91654723

>Not really tho, the universe rebooted a decade later. And even if that hadn't happened, honestly? No one would have remembered it apart from a casual mention after a few years and you knoow that.

Bullshit. Waid's JLA was pretty popular and the whole "Batman is a paranoid freak who has plans to take out his friends" is something that it created and is still a part of the character to this day.

>Again, edgy faggot then, edgy faggot now. Jason's death is something that weighs on his character and gives him emotional weight, but not development. Which doesn't mean Bruce is a bad character, but he does not develop.

If you can't see the Batman development between even pre- and post-Jason's death, then I don't know what to tell you. I assure you it's you who failed, not the writers.

>>91645143
Red Hood

They've gotten more annoying with the new Injustice coming out

>>91655183

Perhaps because Batman went through a lot of development in the 90s thanks to big stories? Jason died in 89, then we had Knightfall, No Man's Land, Morrison's JLA (which created or at least popularized the Batgod idea), and then Tower of Babel in 2000. In the 2000s he had a very large supporting cast and a lot of his development was about his relationships. Becoming closer with Cass and Catwoman, distancing from Tim and Dick, Damian entering the scene, Jason coming back...stuff like that.

>>91655268
thats because the Red Hood writers finally were replaced with people who didn't grow up on deviantart.aka he became good edgy
GO AWAY DAMIAN

>>91653174
Guilty Gear was goat. Not into Xrd.

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Just earlier today I was reminded how annoying Azula apologists are.

>>91656074
Azula the type of chick that would fuck you good then bite your dick off

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>>91645143
I LOVE Jason, but his fans can get a little insecure

>>91645240
I've found that older fans of the 2003 Titans who like TTG are pretty level-headed people.

Wally is life.

>>91655095
>And that's still a part of the character today. Thanks for backing me up on that.

I don't think you understand what character development means. Batman didn't develop as a character. A situation happened and everyone else in the world moved to accommodate Batman. That's not what character development is. That's actually the antithesis of character development -- it's one of the core qualities of a Mary Sue. Where even their mistakes are forgiven because everyone knows just how great they are.

>So you're admitting he did develop as a character? Thanks, you're practically arguing FOR me at this point.

How dense are you? I said Batman hasn't changed since the 80s. That wasn't your point. Your point is Batman has a lot more character development than Nightwing when he doesn't. He had one big change in the 80s and nothing since.

>>91655393
Batgod isn't character development. What do you think Character Development is? Do you think if Superman suddenly could shoot comets out of his ass that'd be character development?

All you do is list off stories that had no effect on Bruce as a character, and some that even further cemented him as the grimdark Knight he's been since before I and probably you were born. Batman is the same guy just thrown into different situations, none of which ever truly change him as a person.

He is the epitome of stagnation in comics because his current form has been wildly popular and DC doesn't want to fix what ain't broke. I don't blame them, it's a wise business move to keep squeezing money for Miller's drying up near-corpse body, but it's certainly not progress. It's anything but.

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>>91659256

>How dense are you? I said Batman hasn't changed since the 80s. That wasn't your point. Your point is Batman has a lot more character development than Nightwing when he doesn't. He had one big change in the 80s and nothing since.

This page was written in the 80s. I fail to see how him changing as a character as a result of Jason's death is not character development.

>Mary Sue

There it is. Also you seem slow, so I'll spell it out. As Batman became a darker character in the 90's, writers began to explore that side of him more thoroughly. This is seen most notably in Tower of Babel, where his paranoia and hubris almost lead to the death of the JLA. This wasn't just a one-off exploration, this is actually a part of the character that's been revisited multiple times. It was a clear sign of him changing as a character.

>>91659316

>What do you think Character Development is?

What do YOU think character development is? Character development is simply the change a character receives throughout the course of a story. He's changed plenty, you for some reason want every character to completely reinvent who they are for some reason. You want Batman to intrinsically change his character? "Epitome of stagnation"....lmao. What about Superman? Or Wonder Woman? Or any other character who has kept their core values as a character for decades? Hell, a core aspect of Batman is his steadfastness and dedication to his mission. You want to change that? Good thing you'll never find work as a comic writer.

I mean we've had works like Year One, Shaman, Zero Year, and others that show him developing into the hero we knew he'd become. Not to mention the recent Batman, Inc that showed him shaking up the game and trying new ideas. Hell, even in King's most recent Batman issue we see that Batman's original impetus for going out each night and fighting villainy has fundamentally changed. Not to mention his origin as well in I Am Suicide.

>>91660632
>Character development is simply the change a character receives throughout the course of a story.

No you dipshit it's is the development OF character. You know, like the phrase "that builds character" ?

No wonder you're so fucking dumb. The most basic literary terms evade you.

All of you examples are Batman staying well within his genericized wheelhouse and anything that strays from the norm doesn't permanently stick. Batman is the same guy he was in 1990 as he is now. He has not grown or changed as a person -- at most the world has changed around him.

DC doesn't want to change Batman. They refuse longterm growth or change to the winning, selling formula. That's why some people find him boring and find Nightwing, someone who DC couldn't give a fuck about, more enthralling. Nightwing actually gets to change as a person.

>>91660784

>No you dipshit it's is the development OF character. You know, like the phrase "that builds character" ?

What the hell are you talking about? That's not the definition at all. Christ, you're retarded. Your example of "that builds character" is an idiom used to describe something that specifically makes you BETTER as a person. That's not what character development means at all. It suggests change in a character, big or small, good or bad. Your comment is sad and you should get off 4chan and do some reading.

Not to mention, all Nightwing has done in the past 20 years is age a few years, get a new costume, and become disillusioned with Batman. Just like every other Batfamily member. It IS character development, but it's hardly some gold standard, and it shouldn't be analyzed at a 1:1 value with already-established heroes. You act like adolescence and status quo change is some kind of shining beacon of character development, when it's the easiest shit to do. Just because Superman and Batman have been established characters for a long time and we only get to see their development as flashbacks doesn't mean they are stagnant. They're changing all the time, and if you think Batman is the same exact character he was in 1990 then you're doing nothing but exposing yourself as someone who hasn't read very many of his comics.

>>91661630
You think Batman not changing, but the world changing around him, is character development. When it is literally the exact opposite. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, you will just say the stupidest shit to defend Batman like every other fanatic idiot Batman only fanboy.

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>>91661805

I mean I've give you multiple examples of character development and given you plenty of references to comics so that you can see for yourself. You've provided fuck-all. But despite your insults it's you, ironically, who's acting like the childish fanboy. It's you who attacked the character in the first place, I'm guessing from a vantage of insecurity or something since Batman is so popular.

It's clear this has been a gigantic waste of time and I'm not going to put forth any more effort to try and change your mind.

>>91657581
You say just one unenthusiastic thing about Red Hood and the Outlaws, and they freak the fuck out

If you don't like Wally then you don't like The Flash.

>>91645240
I'm glad the hate for this isn't as intense anymore. It can be funny

>>91661983
You realize I can't provide evidence of something that doesn't exist, right? Do you just want me to link the Batman bibliography to you and go "Well this has no character development"?

You're just spouting off every Batman title you can think of and believe that, purely because there are events that happen, that means he has developed as a character. By your definition every character in DC who's been around awhile has a lot of character development.

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>>91645143

>>91652385
What were they lied to about?

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>>91653411
>this comeback

>>91664676
You want the long or short version?

>>91647811
>>91651516
This, the way Cosmicbooknews was happy about a comic with Rich getting canned just because Sam was in it was so fucking unbelievable, they fucking don't deserve Rich.

I honestly hope they go the way of HEAT and just fucking fuck off out of internet or at least stay quarantined in their shitty little website and cry there.

>>91654192
Rich is not the only character that happened to honestly, a lot of characters got fucked up badly by the shitty management byt the current Marvel editors.

Rich has some toxic fans that would like to see him fail just because he has a comic that he shares with Sam regardless of said comic's quality, just because Sam is there it's an instant "REEEEEEEE kill it!".

Or heck some of them want Abnett back and Abnett left because Guardians 3000 and Guardians of Infinity didn't sell because the retards spouting "Muh DnA" weren't buying them (although GoI was kind of meh and the backups were shit) and DC offered a better deal so Abnett left, he wrote GotG already, he's done with them, let him go.

Bendis is shit though and fuck

>>91664676
They lied to Waid when he came back to the book in 2007 about letting him do what he wanted with The Flash (they were planning to scrap Wally and bring back Barry even back then so Waid quit in anger -- he was very adamant that Barry should remain dead as a symbol).

Later, during Flash Rebirth's announcement and printing, Geoff Johns and Didio promised up and down that Wally and his family weren't going to get fucked over. Geoff Johns went so far as to say this:

"I grew up on Wally West. I wrote Wally West for years. I love Wally West and his entire family. He will continue to be a vital part of the Flash universe, and that's just what I'm hoping to do - build a Flash universe. A pillar in the DCU very much like Green Lantern, but also very different.

In other words: Wally's not only going to be fine, he's going to kick ass."

Then, right as Rebirth finished, they kicked Wally out of the Titans (after already cancelling his run and kicking him off the JL), cancelled the Flash family book they'd already paid for multiple issues of, and buried the Flash family besides Bart and Iris under the rug -- Jay got to show up in JSA but nothing else.

Wally showed up a couple more times at all -- once in the background of a picnic, once in Barry's "intervention" to say how Barry was da best and it was killing the family not to be around him. Barry ignored them.

Flashpoint's announced. At this point, whenever fans ask if Wally will be involved, they ignore the question. They kill Wally off in a tie in issue of Flashpoint, and he ceased to exist in the New 52 despite all the promises. Didio tells fans who ask about Wally to shut up and read Barry if they want a Flash experience. EVS mocks Wally fans at panels. Johns never says anything about it.

Then we got the horror that was New 52 Wally.

So yeah, Wally fans have been getting fucked since 2005. Outright lies, and even mocking hostility from the company for the better part of a decade. So forgive them.

>>91665044
I will sorry for Waid. He made the best Flash run in the series and this is how they treat him and his baby.

>>91646309
>powerlevel fags
I know, seriously who gives a shit about how strong he is if you can't get passed that and actually appreciate his character you should go back to watching weaboo garbage.

>HarleyIvy
Shippers in general are cancer.

>>91665208
Shipping is retarded no matter what. Anyone who actively spends time wanting to force more BS relationshit into media should just end it now.

>>91665044
Capping this.

>>91645143
Dunno... the whole fucking MCU fanbase? there is some pretty good shit out of marvel dudes...

>>91665044
Saving this for whenever people are shitting on Wally fans.

>>91665208
>I know, seriously who gives a shit about how strong he is if you can't get passed that and actually appreciate his character you should go back to watching weaboo garbage.

Yeah. Never understood the obsession this. Its way easier to make a character overpowered, so the discussions seemed pointless. Its much more of a challenge to make them a compelling and interesting character.

>>91665044
Wally is my Flash I grew up with him in comics and he was in the animated series, I didn't even know what Barry looked like or did until I bought a few compiled volumes just to see what's the big deal. Then the CW show aired and people went apeshit about Barry and I curled my lip raised an eyebrow and thought wow Barry's a fucking weak shit pussy, nothing like the charismatic, funny and quick thinking Wally. Don't get me started on his N52 run, whenever I hear people bitching about Barry having to share his title, there being two Flashes and black Wally's downgrade I say "fuck you nigger Wally's sharing HIS title with Barry".

>>91665164
Waid's side of the story is DC begged him to come fix up a waning Flash title and he agreed on the basis that he'd have full creative control on it.

Then before he turned in his first script they came back, said his pitch didn't fit their future plans, and he quit on the spot. The only reason we got those 6, admittedly medicore, Wild Wests issues was his editor (a close friend by account) begged him to stay on for at least 6 so she wouldn't get reamed by the higher ups for failing to get anything done.

It's amazing what Dan Didio did to Waid. Promised to let him run the creative side of the company, promised him Superman a dozen times, undercut his ideas in events etc etc.

I think it's still criminal that Mark Waid, the dude who wrote Birthright and Kingdom Come, never got a shot at the Superman ongoing after like 20 years with the company.

>>91666063
I think as consolation, they should have atleast let him work with New 52 Superman. Although, given the direction they wanted to take the character at the time, Waid would have likely declined.

>>91666285
Waid was gone before Flashpoint.

>>91666303
True, but they definitely had a reboot in mind long before it.

>>91666063
daily reminder Millar got to write a Superman ongoing and got an Eisner

>>91666344
You might not know this but turning Flashpoint into this big event that rebooted the universe was as close to a last second decision as they could get. Like less than a year in advance. Waid was out the door in 2009, and set to leave in 2008.

DC was a mess in the late 00s

>>91666503
I remember hearing Didio wanted a reboot for the longest time. I could be wrong.

>>91666552
They were thinking about doing it with Final Crisis but decided against it.

Then sales went to shit and they threw it together last second with Flashpoint.

>>91653559
You have never encountered a Dick fan, huh?

Dick fanboys in CBR had a meltdown when it was revealed that Jason is going to appear in Nightwing.

Dick fanboys in reddit can't shut up about how much they wish he was dead and keep down vote any topic related to him.

There are bunch of Dick fanboys in twitter who legit hate him and always talk about how "irrelevant" he is and even put him in polls and then vote against him just to feel better about themselves.

In Instagram, if someone said that Jason is their favorite, you got Dick fanboys crying "Dick is so much better!".

You get some Dick fanboys here who always the first to start a fight with Jason fanboys and get triggered whenever someone praise him.

There's a Dick fanboy in CBRU who keep giving RHATO Rebirth a bad score every issue despite talking about he hate it which makes me wonder why he still read it.

>>91667515
Is that you, DT?

>>91667515
Ok this is hilarious because I thought Damianfans were the worst, but Dickfans are sure giving them a run for their money.

>>91667515
Please tell me you are joking....

>>91667515
Holy mother of shitfuck and I thought Damifags were bad for spamming 'Timfag pls' and 'Jasonfag pls' everywhere.

>>91667620
They are. I always see people going on how bad Tim or Damian fanboys are and they don't realize how much worse Dick fanboys are.

They hate Jason much more than Tim's and Damian's fanboys hate each other.

>>91667633
I wish I was, but they really are that bad.

>>91667515
Dickfags, both DC and Marvel, are just dicks and fags

>>91667515
And the award for worst fanbase goes to....

>>91667669
obviously Damienfags

>>91666063
He had his chance to tell superman stories. Didnt he also write secret identity? I reckon thats better than the other two.

>>91667515
I thought it was the dickbabs shipping fags that were worse jesus christ.

Seriously though I prefer dickbabs over dickfire but honestly it will be a cold day in hell I will give dickbab fags that satisfaction and support them.

Assholes claim to love dick grayson but have no idea what kind of an importance starfire holds over him to transition into nightwing.

>>91668327
that's based Busiek

>>91648325
isn't Batman vanilla Batman? He'd be more like, strawberry

>>91665044
Thanks. That was very informative and helped me fully understand the shit Wally fans have had to deal with.

On a sort of related note do you feel that Cassandra Cain fans are justified in their complaining? I ask because she too was a legacy character that was fucked over pretty hard by DC. This of course has caused Cass fans to complain quite a lot and have feelings of bitterness towards DC. But a lot of people on here feel that Cass fans are just annoying whiners and they should just shut up.

>>91669554
People who whine all the time are annoying no matter what their reasons are and Cass and Wally fans aren't justified for hating and attacking Babs and Barry fans.

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>>91645143
I like Brock. I would have preferred if Flash would have stayed as Venom but regardless Brock is still OK in my book. But GOD do Brock fans come off as annoying chads sometimes. Yeah I'm calling them chads. It's hard to explain but I just get that vibe from them.

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I don't know if it's just because the fandom is smaller and more dedicated, or because he got replaced by a dead guys son, but his fans are insane.

>>91656187
only if you misbehaved

>>91667515
holy shit at how hard you're projecting here

you've officially cemented jasonfags as the worst

>>91667515
Jason fanboys on CBR are constanstly bitching about Jason not getting enough good "showings" as Dick

Jason fanboys on Reddit make alts to downvote anyone who likes Nightwing and doesn't like Red Hood and the Outlaws

Jason fanboys on ComicVine spend half the time wanking over RHATO feats, and their most commented thread is a "who would win" thread

Jason fanboys on /co/ samefag to prop up Jason in every Batfamily thread

Jason fanboys bitch in every Injustice article and thread insisting that he's the best Robin and needs to be in the game

Jason fanboys on Twitter sent Tom King death threats over the power levels thing

>>91670157
>>91670309
Lmao a Dick fanboy get triggered.

>>91670341
>jasonfag not triggered

kek

>>91670309
Why are you lying, dude? Literally none of this is true and the one Jason fan who keep bitching in CBR always get told to shut up already by other Jason fans.

If it's true that they are obsessed with power level, they wouldn't have hated Tynion's Rhato arc.

>>91670361
Stop projecting your insecurity on us.

I don't hate Dick nor do I care about Jason being "the best". I only care about reading a good stories with him.

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Damn Willis.

>>91670411
lol they keep bringing up tynion's RHATO as "proof" that Jason's the best fighter ever

The Robins and their fans, Even the carrie kelley and stephanie brown ones.

>>91670469
Literally no one said that he's the best fighter ever. Again, stop lying because you really not helping your case.

>>91670497
>damage control

>>91669591
But the latter are. Ok, sure. I'm not going to speak on the Batgirl wars, but Barryfags very much attack Wallyfags for daring to say things that are true. Like Wally having the best feats, or Wally having the best assortment of stories.

Barry owes alot of his current success to Wally, but Barryfags refuse to acknowledge this. Lets also not forget the craze CW fangirls who also make up the Barry fanclub.

>>91670493
This thread proves that quite nicely.

>>91670462
>I don't hate Dick nor do I care about Jason being "the best". I only care about reading a good stories with him
This. One of the things I truly like about Jason is how much he fail sometimes.

His flaws are one of the reasons that makes interesting.

>>91670516
The best part is that there's no one who hates a robin fan more then another robin fan.

>>91670513
barry fans are normies who just started reading flash

wallyfags are the ones who bitch all the time about barry "stealing" his traits just by smiling and making the occasional joke

>>91665044
I've always felt badly for Wally fans. All of my friends in Flash fandom (I have a lot, I'm heavily involved with the fandom) have him as their favourite character, for one thing. That said, you wouldn't believe how many Wally fans have called me a fake fan or a newfag because I got into the Flash through pre-Crisis Barry comics 10 years ago. They constantly go on about how Barry is boring and shit and needs to be dead, how Wally is the objectively superior character, and mock people who try to defend their own POV.

Being shit on by DC doesn't excuse them for acting like pricks to other fans. They'd get more sympathy if they understood that. I stay out of these discussions now because I'm sick of the shitflinging and getting insulted just for having my favourite character, and it's sad. As said above, I've been heavily involved in Flash fandom for 10 years now, but find myself disengaging from it because I'm sick of the toxic nonsense.

>>91670512
You actually get roasted by him.

I guess that anon wasn't wrong about you.

>>91670551
Normies ignorance can be annoying in of itself. Either way, they aren't the only ones that make up his fanbase, and there are a couple fervent Barryfags that will shoot Wally down any time someone mentions him outside of the Kid Flash persona.

>>91645778
I feel you man. Same with Punisher.

>>91670689
there are hundreds of wallyfags that get triggered whenever someone mentions barry in any capacity other than being dead