Who does /co/ think is better current Marvel or current DC?

>>91569230
Why do you have to ask when you know the /co/nsensus will be DC is better?

DC easy.
Is this even a question?

>>91569230
how is this even a question?

obviously marvel is better

>>91569230
DC rebirth has been very good, Marvel has been complete dog shit for years. They are incredibly lucky the MCU has been a success because the comics are fucked.

>neither picture current

What did OP mean by this?

>>91569273
Why, you can't just say something is better without proof

>>91569230
Is that a trick-question? DC easily.

marvel is dead for me right now

>>91569230
Are you serious? Marvel blows ass

>>91569230
Overall is in better shape Marvel with the movies and Disney and all that things, but what marvel is doing in the comics is something between sad and pathetic

>>91569377
>Marvel with the movies and Disney
yes, that creativity death zone that is marvel studios should be applauded

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>>91569418
aw poor baby can't handle the fact that no one likes his shitty movies

>>91569230
While I think Rebirth has been kind of underwhelming outside of a few titles, current DC is much more readable than current Marvel.

>>91569377
I feel like this isn't true. Marvel gets people to watch the movies, but they haven't really grown a brand beyond that. DC has a lot of DTVs, video games, DC Superhero Girls everything, etc. DC kills them in bookstores even when you'd think normies would be more familiar with Marvel and buy their shit in decent numbers.

>>91569444
this is /co/ not /tv/

>>91569377
Wrong.
Animation - DC easy.
Videogames - DC easy.
Comics - DC easy.
TV shows - both shot, Daredevil is partly great. Marvel wins
Movies - Nolanverse>>Fox>MCU>DCEU, but current state - Marvel wins
So it's 3-2 for DC.

>>91569512
DC is DC is DC

>>91569444
>implying I care about numbers
I care about watching new and exciting movies
Marvel is not doing that
DC is following in marvel's footsteps now
capekino is dead

>>91569597
>capekino is dead

Sounds like you didn't watch Lego Batman

DC > Marvel, overall

>>91569611
not many people did

>>91569551
>Animation
how much is streaming disney now?
>Videogames
I'm ok with this
>Tv
Marvel even if is horrible in most of the cases
>Movies
DC hasn't done a decent movie since The Dark Knight Rises
>Comics
I told you that the comics are horrible now, they are horrible since Disassembled

DC is across the board better. I can pick up literally any Rebirth book and expect at the very least a competent capeshit book. However, none (except maybe Hal and Pals) are books I think will leave a lasting impression for any reason other than being at least better than the dogshit New 52 books that preceded them.

Current Marvel is an absolute shitshow. Their usual capeshit books are absolute garbage, but damn when they have a hit, they hit it out of the park (Vision, Foolkiller, etc.).

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In the state of comics? DC. If they can get me to like pic related? You know they are doing more right than what most of Marvel's writers are doing (Excluding Ewing, Duggan, Pak and Joe Kelly since I still like those guys and their books.)

>>91569679
>However, none (except maybe Hal and Pals) are books I think will leave a lasting impression for any reason other than being at least better than the dogshit New 52 books that preceded them.

So you're not reading Deathstroke?

>>91569679
Deathstroke, RHATO and New Super-Man are all extremely good.

DC comics have better editorial, writers, and books. Also better in video games, I hope the new spiderman game is good.

With Movies, DCEU sucks, but that's mostly because WB is fucking incompetent and hired Goyer and Snyder instead of competent people that understand comics and their characters.

MCU isn't perfect, but if I want to see my favorite comic characters in a above average movie it's a good watch.

Marvel sucks in animation. Marvel sucks in games.

>>91569230
Currently? DC hands down.

>>91570131
As a long time Marvel fag I agree on every point. DC is killing right now on the comic front

>>91569230
In terms of comics: DC is doing better than it has done in the past and Marvel is doing worse. DC comics has a fair bit of goodwill and word of mouth, and other than a few contrarians most people agree that the current DC line is either good, with a few Greats. A couple of poor, but not many.

Marvel on the other hand has a fair few books that are in the shit-bad range, with a few good ones too. They have alienated a lot of the core customers and new ones are not materialising.

>>91569230
As a casual reader I always have friends telling me to read different DC stories. For the most part people have told me to stay away from Marvel. If that's anything to go off of I'm guessing DC.

>>91569302

>proof
>of a creative work being 'objectively' better than another

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>>91569230
Both are equally BRAVE. On is clearly more WOKE than the other.

pic related shows the one that is WOKEST.

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>>91574309
This image made me so woke I've had insomnia for a month.

>>91569230
DC

hasn't gone rogue SJW/Tumblr kamala tier. Koran verse
yet but its close tho

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>>91570131
>instead of competent people that understand comics and their characters.
Not a god damn fucking thing lacks understanding about the characters in the dceu.

Did Millar misunderstand Captain America because for the Ultimate Universe he intentionally made him a realistic product of his time rather then a ideal man of the American dream?

>>91569230
either way both are losing to my hero academia

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>>91569230

>>91580497
I don't see how you can defend Goyer and Snyder.

You realize you're defending two complete fuckups right? Anyway, to answer how they fuck up characters, and how they don't understand the characters. Start with the character that they most fucked up.

Superman. They fucked him up right good, and knowing Snyder and his obsession with Aryn Rand it's rather obvious why. Superman throughout the movie, is made to seem burdened by humanity, which feeds right into Rand. If only Superman didn't give a shit about humanity, think of how great he would be. That's why they always make him into a god figure in the movie. He's a god with the burden of humanity. That's not superman, that's a Randian's interpretation of superman.

Superman, a man with the powers of a god, and he uses them responsibly to show the world that no, absolute power doesn't corrupt absolutely. That yes, you can overcome the weaknesses of greed, fear, corruption. Because Superman is that pure good.

Instead, in the first fucking movie, they have superman destroy a fucking city, kill people to save a family (while completely ignoring the thousands of people dying all around him. BUT THAT ONE FAMILY THOUGH). Snyder's interpretation of Superman is a character that has to break his own no killing rule to succeed. It's such a randian interpretation of the movie, and that's why it sucks. Because it makes no sense for the character.

>>91580497
Second character Goyer and Snyder fucked up is Batman. Listen to his interviews in which Snyder states he would have Batman get raped in prison. Clearly this guy is just obsessed with shock porn. Think he cares about telling a good batman story, the guy basically read DKR and took them as story boards and left out all the growth.

Also, the fact that Batman just blatantly murders and uses guns is also a bit ridiculous. Again, it's like he saw DKR and saw that Batman used a that with rubber bullets machines and interpreted that as a A okay to use guns. Completely ignoring the context that DKR is supposed to be a more brutal Batman, a more cruel batman, a "I'm on deaths door I'm looking for a good death" Batman.

The fact that Snyder's Batman clearly commits manslaughter is also a fucking travesty. I don't care if you link some comic where Batman kills or uses guns, the best stories of batman in continuity don't have him fucking using mini guns on his batmobile and basically committing manslaughter left and right.

>>91580497
Third character, is Lex Luthor. What the fuck were they thinking. Lex Luthor is a brooding intellectual who isn't some whiny kid.

Fourth character is the joker, what the fck where they thinking. Nobody wants a hot topic joker, It's like they took Grant Morrison's joker, and said "okay how do we make this look horrible and fuck him up"

>console wars
I want /tv/ to leave.

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>>91581862
>they have superman destroy a fucking city
There's that meme again
>kill people to save a family
Yeah, why would he kill the man that moments ago was about to annihilate an entire race and didn't seem to stop even after his whole crew was sucked into a black hole.

>>91582147
>the guy basically read DKR and took them as story boards and left out all the growth
He wasn't adapting it, if he did the whole movie would have been on Batman's side while painting Superman as the one in the wrong.
>What the fuck were they thinking. Lex Luthor is a brooding intellectual who isn't some whiny kid.
Lex was still an intellectual and managed to kill Superman.
Not going to bother with the rest because is the same shit /co/ spouts all the time and is not a capeshit thread anyway.

>>91582287
You are completely missing the point.

Why did they need to blow up a city and have a world threatening event to happen in a superman movie, particularly the first movie?

Snyder throughout the movie is against superman and it's fucking painfully obvious. Read what I said, this is a Randian interpretation of superman. Where only he were shed of the burden of humanity he could be great. The perfect example of that being the case is the fact that Snyder/Goyer wrote Superman where he had to break his no killing rule to be successful. It's so fucking painfully obvious that this is a randian's interpretation of Superman. It feels like a movie that tries to deconstruct superman rather then to fucking build him up, I mean for christ sake it's the fucking first movie.

If they wanted to do this plot, it would be a good premise for a elseworlds superman. Just a fucking awful premise to set up a fucking franchise.

>>91582495
>Not going to bother with the rest because is the same shit /co/ spouts all the time and is not a capeshit thread anyway.

Good go back to /tv/

>>91581862
>is made to seem burdened by humanity
He is burdened by the consequences of helping out not by by helping out alone.
>they have superman destroy a fucking city
Was not in Metropolis when the world engine did it's work, during his 1 on 1 fight with Zod 1 building and a parking garage fell, the building he did ZERO structural damage too.
so... HE FACTUALLY DID NOT FUCKING DESTROY THE GOD DAMN CITY.
>kill people to save a family
Killing in self defense not only to save the family but to save millions if Zod was serious about the "kill them all 1 by 1" line isn't corruption.
>while completely ignoring the thousands of people dying all around him
Because in a 1 on 1 fight, it is not fucking possible to break off from the fight and help out without the villain attacking you when your back is turned (as zod did when clark looked back up in horror at the parking garage explosion) or the villain blitz attacking civilians ESPECIALLY when the villain can move as fucking fast as a Kryptonian can.
>Snyder's interpretation of Superman is a character that has to break his own no killing rule to succeed
1.) A no kill rule was never set up in the film.
2.) Its less a different interpretation of Superman and more a different interpretation of the world around him that doesn't allow him to use mary sue get out of jail solutions, this is a Superman with fucking realistic limitations on him and he does his fucking best anyway, THAT is far more inspiring then a version of the character who can do absolutely anything because the writing is terrified to challenge him.

>>91582147
>Listen to his interviews in which Snyder states he would have Batman get raped in prison
He was giving a god damn example of the tonal severity he was going for not a literal scene that would ever fucking take place.
>used a that with rubber bullets machines
Wasn't rubber bullets, the shells created explosions that threw mutants into the air.
>Completely ignoring the context that DKR is supposed to be a more brutal Batman, a more cruel batman, a "I'm on deaths door I'm looking for a good death" Batman.
Except retard, that is EXACTLY what Snyder was fucking going for in the DCEU.

>>91582751
>Why did they need to blow up a city and have a world threatening event to happen in a superman movie, particularly the first movie?
Because some of us desperately wanted a serious toned Superman movie with valid consequences and weight to it for fucking once.
>Snyder throughout the movie is against superman and it's fucking painfully obvious
Showing that a realistic version of earth would factually mostly fear & hate a godly powerful alien is not the same fucking thing as Snyder himself being against the character or trying to tell the audience that we should be against him, that notion is fucking absurd.
That is like saying a documentary showing that people factually shame fat people in real life is pro fat shaming.

>>91582751
>It's so fucking painfully obvious that this is a randian's interpretation of Superman. It feels like a movie that tries to deconstruct superman
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS!
ALTERNATE UNIVERSES DO ALTERNATE FUCKING THINGS!
This is the Ultimate Universe to Reeve's 616 universe.
THAT IS THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT!

>>91582147
this is bait right?

>>91569297
Marvel Comics has nothing to do with the films and most of that goes directly to Disney through Marvel Entertainmemt Studios.
Why else do you think Pearlmutter was so pissed when he got full creative control and influence on the films removed from his grasp?

>>91584432
>This is the Ultimate Universe to Reeve's 616 universe.
>THAT IS THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT!
Then it's a bad point. Nobody gives a shit about Ultimate Universe anymore, let alone it's DC knockoff. Nobody wants to take their kids to see Moping Depressed Angry Superman, and edgy teenagers are too busy shitposting on social media to bother with cinemas these days. This was not a universe that needed to be realised, let alone be the basis for a multi-billion dollar franchise.

>>91584592
>Nobody gives a shit about Ultimate Universe anymore
We ceased giving a shit about it because it was ruined by hacks not because it's original concept was flawed.
And If that was true Earth One graphic novels would not still be being published and selling quite well which is the Dc equivalent to the Ultimate Universe at least for Superman.

>>91584432
Not the guy whom you are (futilely, BTW) shouting at over the Internet, but more problems stem from a lack of organization at WB then anything at all that happens at DC Entertainment, and how the consequences of those internal politics kind of had repercussions on the films based on DC properties right now.

So in reality it's not really a commentary on the characters themselves at all, just a commentary on how if you're gonna spend that much money making a film you should probably have your shit together internally.
Corporate politics ruin everything for everybody.

>>91584773
what IS going on at DC anyway?
I know it has something to do with Snyder, but the details elude me.

>>91583831
You pick things out to argue about but you miss the point I was making. The arguments you are making are that "Superman's actions make sense in these situations the plot puts him in", I'm saying "the writing is poor because they are putting Superman in positions where there is only 1 logical option."

Snyder and Goyer probably knew this, that's why they have that awful, "Should I just let people die" Jonathan Kent responds "maybe". Scene in there. So the option of letting people die, and not let people die. HMMMMMMM.

>>91584036
>Except retard, that is EXACTLY what Snyder was fucking going for in the DCEU.

If that is what he was going for it was a mistake, why take a elseword story of a more intense batman if you are setting him up for more movies. That is a story about Batman going more brutal later down the line. Not beginning a story.

>>91584346
>Because some of us desperately wanted a serious toned Superman movie with valid consequences and weight to it for fucking once.
Are you making the point that they needed to blow up the city to make a serious grounded Superman story? That's a pretty awful point.
> Snyder himself being against the character or trying to tell the audience that we should be against him
Didn't say that, I said that he thinks that this character needs to be randian, and it's putting superman in situations where he needs to break his own rules to be successful, it's not what Superman is about. It's a bad superman story that nobody wants.

>>91584432
>ALTERNATE UNIVERSES DO ALTERNATE FUCKING THINGS!
Alternate universes =/= fuck up the characters.

You realize that when Snyder leaves after Justice League other directors and writers are going to have to find ways to write these characters back to their original forms right? It was Snyder job to set up a universe, instead he basically fumbled it and made a mess of the characters that other, better directors/writers need to fix.

Back in the 90s, people like me were what kept Marvel afloat. Not because we bought the shit superheroes like any and all Avengers (whom no one gave a shit about until RDJ), but because if it was related to the X-Men, I had it on pull. And they had a SHIT TON of X-Titles. After getting out of comics in the 2000s and hearing what Marvel as done since the 90s, I almost want to burn my X-Titles. M-Day and everything that had to do with the X-Men has been utter GARBAGE. So fuck yes I jumped ship to DC. All the writers and artists I liked from Marvel, (With the exception of Chris Claremont, whom I think the mouse has him chained to his desk at Marvel) also jumped ship to DC. Fuck Marvel. As soon as the MCU bubble pops (IMO it already did, Avengers 2 was a pile of dogshit and an overglorified origin story for the vision, lame ass cape) the mouse will be sore they sunk the cash to buy them.

>>91584806
It's more complex then that and ultimately sort of has nothing to do with the comics side of the industry.
Warner Brother's film division head left some time ago and instead of replacing him they replaced him with a committee of people who all get veto power, so anytime one of them demands something it HAS be put in a film even if it contradicts something else in the film. It's why BvS had so many re-writes and the pacing for Suicide Squad was all over the place. The situation is nominally resolved, but it was resolved by Zack Snyder's wife pretty much taking control of the movie division and wielding her influence like a club to the skull to get her husband in charge of pretty much everything.

Snyder doesn't actually read comics and probably never did; he likes comics well enough and he likes cool visuals, sure, but he's basically impressed with superficial shit about comics without being too familiar, so he's kind of a casual at heart and a lot of othe stuff just sort of goes over his head.
This in addition to just not being a very sophisticated directior; he writes rather like a child in a sandbox, creating an endless series of "wouldn't it be cool if" one liners and scenes and then leaving other people to put it together.

Marvel Entertainment Studio's quality may be subjective, but it's upper management at least actually exists and is doing it's job.

>>91569230
>Comics
DC by a mile.
>Movies
Marvel by a mile.
>TV
Both keep shitting the bed.

>>91584933
>I'm saying "the writing is poor because they are putting Superman in positions where there is only 1 logical option."
Because in the real world he can't pull time travel out of his ass, sometimes, most times there are extremely few options, this is meant to be a realistic earth and there isn't a damn thing wrong with the writing for presenting it as such.
>why take a elseword story of a more intense batman if you are setting him up for more movies
To redeem him, to do something we haven't seen in Batman films before.
>Are you making the point that they needed to blow up the city to make a serious grounded Superman story?
Only a 7th or so of it was destroyed max.
There is nothing awful about elevating the dire nature of the threat and situation.
You truly feel that billions of lives are on the line.
In say... the Avengers you never feel the alien army is enough to take NYC much less the planet.
>it's not what Superman is about
Just because you personally like versions of the character were he is a mary sue, never fails and never makes compromises or mistakes does not fucking meant that is antithetical to the character.

A flawed character who struggles and strives to accomplish good is inherently more inspiring then someone who can just metaphorically wave his hands at a problems and they are solved.

>>91569551
>Videogames - DC easy.
Aside from Arkham and Injustice, what does DC have?
Marvel has
>MvC (including XvSF and MSHvSF
>Ultimate Alliance 1
>The good Spidey games (SM2, Ultimate, Web of Shadows, Shattered Dimensions kind of)
>X-Men: Origins Wolverine
>X-Men Legends 1 and 2
>X-Men Arcade
>Captain America and the Avengers
>X-Men Mutant Apocalypse
>X-Men Children of the Atom
I love (most of) the Arkham games, and Injustice, but Marvel beats them on the vidya front.

>>91569230
Neither of those pictures is an accurate representation of "current" anything. Maybe circa 2011 but that's about it

>>91585434
DCUO had been going for years

>>91569230
>doesn't even bait the hook
>just throws it right in
9/10
doing gr8 m8.

>>91585326
>Because in the real world he can't pull time travel out of his ass, sometimes, most times there are extremely few options, this is meant to be a realistic earth and there isn't a damn thing wrong with the writing for presenting it as such.
Why are you strawmaning me on time travel? I never even brought that up or intended to. That's silver age comics shit.

You can have a realistic superman without showing millions of people dying. In fact, having something apocalyptic happen is so god damn unrealistic and grounded it's ridiculous.

>To redeem him, to do something we haven't seen in Batman films before.

"Fuck up our characters just to redeem them", that's not good story writing. If this was your first introduction to these characters, you can't have them be not accurate representations of themselves.


>Only a 7th or so of it was destroyed max.
>There is nothing awful about elevating the dire nature of the threat and situation.
>You truly feel that billions of lives are on the line.
>In say... the Avengers you never feel the alien army is enough to take NYC much less the planet.

The Avenger's was the 6th movie in the franchise, Superman man of steel was the first. They blow up Metropolis in the first fucking movie.

>Just because you personally like versions of the character were he is a mary sue, never fails and never makes compromises or mistakes does not fucking meant that is antithetical to the character.

Strawman

>A flawed character who struggles and strives to accomplish good is inherently more inspiring then someone who can just metaphorically wave his hands at a problems and they are solved.

If you find Wolverine (flawed character) more intriguing then Superman, then watch a wolverine movie. Don't turn Superman into Wolverine because you like Wolverine more then Superman.

>>91569230
If I have to choose between these two, then DC is doing a hell of a lot better than sorry ass Marvel.

However, I'm of the opinion that Image Comics rekts both DC and Marvel.

I take this question seriously.
First of all, I don't consider movies or TV relevant in any way here, these are COMIC companies.
Furthermore, sales numbers are pointless measurements; variant covers, available online scans, mass sales to box stores that will never sell them all, and brick-n-mortar stores that refuse to stock some titles all skew the sales numbers regardless of the merit of the comic.
The criteria has to be storylines, and storylines alone.
That said, everything rests on the word "current" here:

>current Marvel or current DC

This changes back and forth between the two depending on the era.
Anyone alive in the late '90s knew that DC was better than Marvel at that time, but that all turned around with 52 happening just when Marvel was starting to get their act together again.
If this question had been asked in the past it would entirely depend upon timing, so I'm basing my answer on the entire catalogs up to this point.
One company has consistently produced at least one quality story at least once a year for it's entire history. The other has not.
So my answer is obvious:

Marvel

If you disagree just ask yourself who has the larger catalog of great stories. One or two iconic comic stories just doesn't outweigh that.

>>91569230
I don't really like either right now.

>>91569551
>Videogames - DC easy.

Look at their current output
Marvel has the Insomniac Spider-Man, Square Enix' Avengers and Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite

DC only has Injustice 2 which isn't even that good and Rocksteady's with Arkham

>>91585741
>If you disagree just ask yourself who has the larger catalog of great stories
DC and it's not even close.

>>91585829
(not that anon)
Yeah, but Arkham is Arkham.
I wish every Batman comic was as awesome as that game series.
Do you seriously wish any Marvel game was canon?

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>>91585944
>Do you seriously wish any Marvel game was canon?

anon please...

>>91585701
People dying is realistic, Superman not being able to save everyone is realistic, is what I fucking mean.
I want to see epic scale Sci-fi with Superman but with actual tangible weight to the events, that means their MUST be fucking consequences.
>The Avenger's was the 6th movie in the franchise
And it's threat lacked the weight and power this film had in everyway.
>Superman man of steel was the first. They blow up Metropolis in the first fucking movie.
Nothing god damn says Superman NEEDS to have it easy for years before a real threat shows up, the point of this film is to show a untrained inexperienced Superman facing apocalyptic impossible odds and saving the day regardless, THAT is fucking inspiring.
>If you find Wolverine (flawed character) more intriguing then Superman, then watch a wolverine movie. Don't turn Superman into Wolverine because you like Wolverine more then Superman.
Nothing about the dceu Superman is Wolverine-ish.
I want to see SUPERMAN SPECIFICALLY be handled in a serious manner with tangible consequences, with a relatable humanized personality.

>>91569230
Capeshit is capeshit
No matter what.

>>91585434
That Constantine game was pretty bood

Rebirth and all now all now are both thrash. DC has the edge due to imprints.

>>91588545
Only good answer.

>>91585944
Arkham was good before the tacticool shift, big guns, explosions and too much Joker focus.

>>91569230
Rebirth has given DC a strong upswing.Post-Secret Wars Marvel has been on a downswing.

I still like Marvel characters more but since they've all been replaced, retconed or removed...

>>91569230
DC currently are superior in comics.

That isn't to say that all Marvel books are bad or that all DC books are great. Marvel does in fact have some good books and DC have mediocre to bad books.

But the number of good to bad ratio of books is in the favor of DC, atleast until Marvel gets rid of America, Champions and Wasp.

>>91585434
>Web of Shadows
I don't disagree with the rest, but shit. anon.
That game was fucking terrible.

>>91569230
marvel can suck a big vainy dick
dc is ok just wish they would stop inserting batman in every comic and lay off the reboots and cancelling good books