So what caused Wally to stop being so conservative? Also are

>>91565897
I think it was really post-Crisis, him doing stuff with the various Leagues probably broadened his worldview after really only living in Smalltown America for most of his life.

Isn't Blue Valley supposed to be some sort of rural Oregon town?

>>91565897
He married a Korean and had hapa kids with her

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>>91565944
That is probably what did it. I wonder if he still holds some conservative views. I know he mentioned that Wonder Woman was about leading woman's and environmentalist marches and that just wasn't for him.

>>91565897
He won the lottery, and then he went bankrupt.

>>91566063
Wally is acting better than you would expect someone in his situation.
>Person you idealized fucks things up
>Your kids are erased from existence and your wife forgot you or your kids ever existed

>>91565897
>Look what they did in Afghanistan and Angola
>But what we did in Korea and Vietnam was great!

>>91565897
He grew up, and realized being overly political on one end is just dumb.

>>91566411
It was to fight communism anon, there is no price too big to stop it.

Even when it's the native people that have to pay the price.

He became friends with Pied Piper while he was the flash and he realized how harsh it was for gay people. Also, Hawkman is a huge conservative

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>>91565897
>Dick channeling CIA

>>91565944
it's in nebraska according to Born to Run

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>>91565897
>Also are there any modern examples of characters who openly share their political beliefs that aren't American Liberal?

Well, there's this guy.

Lefty comic book writers feel uncomfortable with the idea of conservative people being heroes.

>>91566874
>openly

not yet

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>>91565897
I think I read once that Guy voted for Reagan.

>>91567156

Guy probably preferred Ford though

I'm picturing Guy at the end of Two Bad Neighbors and loving it

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The actual original reason for making him like that was that Wolfman didn't really know what kind of personality he should have, this he has actually specifically admitted.

However, though he pretty quickly lost those kind of dumb racist or prejudicial values, he still has been a pretty conservative person throughout his history.

Mark Waid, though obviously possessing a lot of progressive opinions these days, is actually a really conservative person. He doesn't change his views easily, he values tradition, and he prefers to make safer choices rather than rely on hope or chance. Waid has said that early on, he didn't really have a "voice" for Wally, so would just kind of write him as himself, and thus that's kind of how Wally became.

Both Wally and Barry are very much on the conservative side, both at one point supporting the death penalty for convicted killers and valuing legacy and tradition.

tl;dr you're confusing "conservative" with "/pol/", most people who are conservative are not cartoonishly racist conspiracy theorists.

>>91567704
But according to /pol/ anyone who isn't /pol/ is a liberal!
On a serious note it's strange to imagine Barry support the death penalty considering how sad he got after killing Proff Zoom in a blind rage. If anyone deserves the death penalty it would be Prof Zoom.

>>91567828
Barry's actually pretty notable there because he basically changed his mind, and asked Wally to atone for him. Around the same time that the Trial would have been happening, or maybe slightly before was when the whole Identity Crisis Dr. Light thing was happening, and thus the thing with Top that Wally's talking about there.

>>91567704
I don't understand Waid. From his writing he seems like a pretty moderate and rational person but his twitter is completely politically charged.

>>91567979
Well good writers (which I believe he is, despite his last couple years being pretty bad) are able to effectively write characters that don't reflect their own political beliefs.

It's funny, or maybe sad, with Waid since he's very clearly a moderately conservative guy, but wants to fit in with extreme liberals, and the cognitive dissonance just makes him go completely bananas.

>>91567188
Would you like to come over and watch football and eat nachos?

>>91565944
>>91566062

>people have conservative views because they don't travel

Ah yes, who can forget the world-wary liberals, from San Francisco all the way to Seattle. What a voyage.

>>91566353

Does Wally even care about his kids being gone? I haven't read all of Titans but I don't recall him mentioning them aside from one offhanded line in Flash Rebirth. He should care about getting them back as much if not more, than getting back together with Linda.

>>91565897
Wally's still conservative.

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>>91567156
Guy was a huge fan of Reagan. He's a very Red Scare influenced type of person and hated those Ruskies enough that he nearly went to war with them.

>>91568708
He just doesn't remember them. IIRC the only reference to either was in the DCU Rebirth one-shot where Irey appeared for one panel.

>>91568654
People in smalltown america are conservative. Wally started hanging out with and becoming friends with more liberal people as he got older. Linda particularly.

>>91569258
Have any proof? He might still be but considering I don't remember him ever bringing it up, even in his own thoughts I can't really see how.

>>91567979
Waid was a good writer once upon a time. He was pretty good at leaving personal politics out of a lot of his work. Marvel put him on books that were intentionally political so now it's a mess.

Even still, Waid's tenure was basically the final transition of Wally into a more moderate/liberal mindset (aside from a couple things like the aforementioned Death Penalty decision). It wasn't as obviously political because The Flash wasn't much of a political book.

That said, Waid's worst arc is the one that deals with politics the most. The one about small government running Wally out of town to California.

>>91568708
He doesn't remember them, which necessarily means he doesn't care about them as much as he does Linda or the ability to make clothes out of Speed Force.

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This guy's so right that I'm pretty sure he had a side-kick named Right-Winger at one point.

>>91566455
>Especially when it's the native people that have to pay the price.

>>91569604
>or the ability to make clothes out of Speed Force

this is pretty cool tbf

>>91569637
I always hated this. The speed force should just be about speed.

>>91569650
Speed is energy, energy is matter. Makes about as much sense as vibrating through matter because goes fast.

>>91569650
it still is just about speed, but it's the metanarrative kind

>>91569637
I mean sure Wally's little Speed Force powers are cool but it says a lot that that's what he remembers but his two kids don't even register.

>>91569741
It's probably more the speed force's fault for not giving him that knowledge. Or even higher than that, Nix Uotan or some shit.

Wally did nothing wrong.

>>91569798
>Wally did nothing wrong.
Sure he did. He wasn't Barry.

>>91569841
But Barry did everything wrong.

>>91569841
Barry is worse since he didn't care to do anything for his own children even though Bart was around so he should have remembered them

>>91569921
Except be Barry Allen. Which is why Barry gets everything.

>>91569962
Look just because you can prove Barry Allen is a deadbeat dad doesn't mean he's not Barry Allen. That's what matters.

>>91569798
The Speed Force showed him everything. He just started forgetting and could only remember so much.

Which included Linda, Flashpoint, and his stupid powers.

>>91569612
>This guy's so right that I'm pretty sure he had a side-kick named Right-Winger at one point.

He did! And he died three times, each worst than the last.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Jerome_Johnson_(Earth-616)

The short version - he was recruited as part of a team of "Buckies" back when John Walker was Super-Patriot. When Steve went off to become "The Captain", Walker was called up as his replacement, but the Buckies almost all got left behind, including Right-Winger. In retaliation, he revealed John's secret identity to the world, resulting in Walker's parents being brutally murdered. Walker went nuts, killed his family's killers, and tied Right-Winger to an exploding gas tank, where he was assumed to be dead.

After that, he was briefly plucked out of the timestream by Immortus to fight the West Coast Avengers. He died when Walker used his shield to deflect Left-Winger's stalagmite through Right-Winger's chest.

Some time after THAT, it was found that Left and Right-Winger survived the gas tank after all (and the stalagmite, somehow - wibbly wobbly timey wimey explanation here), but were left in comas and horribly burnt. When they woke up, they both committed suicide.

I doubt any of the A-B listers in comics overly care about politics anyway, they're all millionaires at the poorest. Just make a campaign donation.

As to OP's question, there was actually a DC miniseries where they went in-depth exploring the political ties of most of the DCU - before deciding that, unsurprisingly, most heroes should stay far away from politics. (Notably, Superman's leanings were not only not touched upon, it was revealed he takes considerable pleasure in not telling Lois a thing about his political views.) Aside from that, Identity Crisis reconfirmed Hawkman as heavily conservative, with that being a major source of his conflict with Green Arrow over the years.

Over at Marvel, Colossus used to be a good Communist back in the day. Tony Stark has usually been right-leaning because of being a CEO who manufactures weapons/robotic death suits. Black Panther is usually the King of Wakanda, so has historically been a bit less concerned with the whole 'democracy' thing. Ultimate Cap was pretty right-wing (though more because Millar wrote for shock value than anything).

>>91566898
>Lefty comic book writers feel uncomfortable with the idea of conservative people being heroes.

That's because a lot of comic book writers and artists, historically, were VERY lefty. Conservative people tend to like narrower roles - men are men, who do manly things, women are women, who do feminine things. (Not trying to be reductive or insulting - just pointing out that conservative means, by and large, sticking to tried, established roles) Writing and illustrating comics tended to not be considered 'manly', so those artists were pushed outside the societal 'norm'. They were the kids who got bullied for drawing, the teens who got pranked for being loners or asking the "wrong" questions of teachers, and the adults who got asked why they were wasting their lives. They naturally ended up exposed to more people outside the 'norm', and their beliefs solidified based on their experiences. It's harder to write conservative heroes if you don't have many examples in your life.

>>91572540
10/10 post

>>91569798
>Wally did nothing wrong.

Aside from be a racist asshole for most of his life, sure, he did "nothing" wrong.

>>91565991
Have you been to /pol/?

>>91568654
>>91569470
>mfw I came from a very republican town but was kinda left leaning then went to college in NYC and now I am really really right wing

>>91573862
>>mfw I came from a very republican town but was kinda left leaning then went to college in NYC and now I am really really right wing

You're just a contrarian faggot. NBD.

>>91569621
>>91566455
>>91566411

This is a bullshit argument. Look at what happened to the people who got trapped in North Korea. It is a fucking hell hole.

Also look at what happened when the USA pulled out of Vietnam. Communists threw people in concentration camps to kill them. I think I looked it up once and it was somewhere in the tens of millions of people were killed by the communists in Vietnam post war.

>>91565944
Kansas, actually.
In the comic OP's picture is from he describes himself as a Midwestern conservative.

>>91565897
>Also are there any modern examples of characters who openly share their political beliefs that aren't American Liberal?

Lets set some ground rules. How modern is modern?

Start with two layups.

Amanda Waller. Utilitarian realpolitic pro intervention conservative.

Punisher. No need to explain. He franks people.

>>91566602
Shit Waids been pushing liberal agendas since the beginning hasn't he

>>91565897

Dick looks so silly in the og outfit. It looks like its fr a kid but he's buff as hell.

>>91568053
Yea, every book by Alan Moore I read I end up agreeing with the side he is trying to strawman. Like Rorschach was right and so was Norsefire

>>91574066
That was Messner Loebs, dumb casual

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>>91569612
>Left Winger
>Right Winger

I thought you guys were shitting me.

Which reminds me. Hawk, from Hawk and dove is obviously hawkish.

>>91573950
Not really. It was cause of shit like having an english teacher who would try to push liberal shit down our throats and then get mad when I tried to argue that people could be against Obama for reasons other than being a racist.

That and I fucking hate paying taxes

>>91574379
The sorry thing about taxes is that you're going to have to pay them anyway
The downside of pushing lots of big political agendas and social agendas that BOTH parties do is of course that eventually you have to find a way to pay for them, and usually that means taxes since in fact most governments are already spending damn near every dime they make on something or another.

>>91574475
Doesn't mean they can't be lowered. The vast, vast majority of money that goes to taxes are eaten up by corruption at worse and at best just inefficient bureaucracy.

It's like how we lose most of the electricity we produce and it never goes to power anything, most of the money we pay in taxes just ends up in one of Obama's friend's pockets.


Also I legitimately think it is immoral to take my money through taxes to feed poor people.

>>91574546
I really, REALLY didn't come to /co/ to get into a ridiculous political argument with a complete stranger on the internet.
I think we're both intellegent enough to agree that we would both make more positive forward progress in our individual lives if we at this very moment stopped posting and castrated ourselves with blunt rocks without anesthetic rather then continue the conversation in THAT utterly meaningless direction, because that is the level of how stupid the entire argument is to have in this context.

Apologies for my bluntness, but I REALLY dislike political arguments and discussions because everyone always acts like opinions other then their own are the literal equivalent to having a thorny pinecone shoved up their ass and lodged there forever for even existing.
I would really rather live in a world where human beings respect each other's right to have differing opinions rather then immediately become defensive over them, it would be much less tiring and I think in the end we'd all get a lot more immediately relevant shit done in real life.

>>91574796
Jesus, what bug crawled up your ass?

>>91574796
>pseudo intellectual detected

>>91574823
>>91574870
You know what? Fuck you.

>>91574870
I'm too fucking poor to be an intellectual.
I'm too fucking poor to be anything except still poor.

>>91574883
Thank you.

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I really can't imagine many superhero types being all that liberal. They beat the crap out of criminals with zero oversight (as they wear a mask and have secret identities)

they are basically self employed free lance gestapo

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>>91569962
When was it confirmed the Tornado Twins were his kids anyway? Originally it was ambiguous.

>>91575818
You say that but every time they try working with the government it ends disastrously and someone has to stop the supervillains.

>>91575818
>>91579665
What are some examples of government sponsored capes or cape teams?

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>>91574246
Try this: http://shawnsjames.blogspot.mx/2014/12/john-walkerthe-crazed-captain-america.html

>>91569650
>He can't run so fast that clothes materialize out of the air onto his body
We're all laughing at you

>>91575818
Most superheroes don't kill and, being written by liberals, they try to avoid making them supercops that enforce Law and Order by any means neccesary. They smack'em real good and let cops do the rest.

>>91565897
>So what caused Wally to stop being so conservative?

I like to think it was the Arc where he was rendered homeless, penniless and powerless, wandering the streets of Keystone.

>>91579938
Thunderbolts at a few points iirc.

MI13 / Excalibur?

>>91567979
Twitter brings out the worst in people. In a way that even 4chan, tumblr, reddit and various horrifying porn sites can't.

>>91579938
The Avengers.

>>91565897
He met Pied Piper.

>>91569258
He admits in Waid Flash that he has no politicial beliefs anymore and he stood for gay rights for Piper.

>>91565897
On the top of my head, Hawkman and Hawk. Id like to believe that Supes vote republican since he's from Kansas

>>91565897
I'd assume it has something to do with 35 years passing by.

>>91566062
Holy shit, that dialogue. I thought modern comics were unique with this stuff, but that reads just like a bait comment someone could have posted only a few minutes ago. Nothing ever changes.

>>91565897
Red Skull
Captain Nazi
Baron Zemo
Fenris
Herman von Klempt
Per Degaton
Hate-Monger
Ubermensch
Master Man
Karl Kroenen

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I was going to post U.S. Agent (AKA: "Superpatriot") but someone did that already, and it was hella-obvious anyway.

So...
Here's a lady who likes profiling, incarceration without trial, overwhelming military force as a first resort, government funded defense boondoggles, and building a wall to keep aliens out.

>>91583925
I'd love to live in the liberal universe, where the only threats to civilization are white rednecks, nazis, the KKK and their enablers in Washington.
Communists slaughtering millions? Fanatical muslims? Black gangsters? Never heard of them.

>>91567704
You know, me being very liberal, at least for you americans, feel really atrated to characters like Wally and in a wesker way, Barry. I find them endering and easy to work and talk to, even if we have very opposite ways and opinions. I had a lot of mates in clubs and classes and I always end working with them. At leas as much good if not better than with people whom I don't crash with because their views in political stuff.

I guess I'm weird.

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>>91579634
In the story arc "Race Against Time" where Waid basically created them? They were referenced to in COIE/At the end of Barry's time or whatever.

>>91579938
JLA. The government tried to use them as a hitsquad against the regular JL.

I mean in DC basically every interaction with Waller proves that the current heroes can't trust or act in accordance with the government.

>>91584757
>Fanatical muslims?

Fanatical muslims tend to be conservative. The politics they follow are almost always reductive theocracies which is the height of conservatism's "back to the good ol days" tagline.

I agree it's a joke that liberals defend them as much as they do, despite being as left wing as I can be.

>>91583925
Comics Kroenen was such an ineffectual faggot.

>>91567704
Wolfman also stated he hated Wally West so all of his negative feelings about things funneled into Wally to turn Wally into this one gag strawman to shit on conservatives. Wally became this obnoxious stick in the mud and it became more and more apparent that the way Wolfman started writing him he couldn't function with the team.

And so he left, much to Wolfman's delight.

That Wally developed as a character so well from all the weird things and reasons why writers wrote him certain ways is honestly astounding.

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>>91565897
All I can think of is...

>>91584757
>Communists slaughtering millions?
In all fairness we kind of don't care about the countries where that happens. We only really care about the PRNK because their leader is crazy and has nukes. We pretty much LET those other massacres happen and largely did fuck-all about them because the areas of the world were not as important to use.
>Fanatical muslims?
Definitely a problem, moreso for Europe and Russia then us. The real issue is more how to kill an ideology which can spread through the internet. All these annoying mass-shootings done by an American citizen born in America who went online? That's gotta be REAL hard to stop, and nobody wants to hear the FBI say "well you can either build us a crystal ball or ban the internet" as solutions.
>Black gangsters? Never heard of them
In all fairness, ALL dangerous criminals are a problem, not just black people.
Ironically, imprisoning them doesn't seem to do shit because the prison system is pretty screwed and the largest criminal syndicates in the US are actually BASED out of prisons so putting people there doesn't really help anything.

As a conservative it's vexing to me, because the more research I do the more these subjects don't seem to have actual solutions aside from simply killing ridiculous numbers of people and then turning the problems into a "where do we put all the corpses" problem instead, which also isn't an acceptable solution and complete defeats the point of a strong justice system.

>>91585426
>As a conservative it's vexing to me
so.....you're a conservative who doesn't like conservative solutions to problems?

>>91584757
Communists don't naturally slaughter millions, authoritarian regimes do. They just happen to run communist governments because it makes it easier to centralize power. No one hated Jamaica for trying out Communism.

Fanatical Muslims are inherently Right-wing, because, when broken down, fundamental religious worship (to the point of criminality) is a viciously right-wing ideal.

Black Gangsters? ALL GANGSTERS! Literally every 3/4 villains that ANY Golden Age superhero fought was either a gangster.

He met his asian waifu. That's what happened.

>>91585426
I don't know much about your world, anon. But my alien common sense says that maybe the solution is attacking the problem before it's a problem. It poverty and grey or dark values are what lead most criminals and terrorists to do their deeds, maybe we should share more our stuff and educate i.to what's the value of things, giving value to work, recompense the good behaviour and hard work, etc.

>>91585614
I'm a conservative, but I'm also in my late twenties and supposedly favor a party that really DOES actively try to cut out the voting power of groups in my age group while suffering under an economic debt that I'll live with for next thirty years that my party has done fuck-all to change it and instead focused on internal bickering and trying to rig things in their favor rather then play the game honestly, I'm pretty torn up about where the GOP is at right now.
Hell, I even dislike the ACA due to what a fucking mess it is, but my DAD would probably be dead without healthcare from it despite being a GI because the GOP kept swatting down any serious bills to reform veteran's benefits and he couldn't (and STILL can't) afford healthcare any other way.

So suffice to say I'm a conservative politically but I am also deeply distrustful of any and all political authority figures since they one and all seem to be selfish pricks who are more interested in securing their own political status then actually fixing any of the problems that in any way actually directly affect my life.
Yes, I am bitter as fuck.

>>91585664
Wally West's racism cured by the magic of Korean pussy.

>>91585677
This seems sensible to me.
I'm conservative in terms of political policy, but this social shift to "gays cause hurricane in Iowa" and horsecrap like that pisses me right the fuck off because it keeps detracting from REAL issues and to some degree is clearly a card politicians are playing to stay in power.
I'm from Kansas and the education setup there is ATROCIOUS. One of my friend's dad's from high school I found out last summer was pretty much functionally illiterate because nothing about his god-awful education encouraged him or required him to learn to goddamn read.

So clearly education is not really in the GOP's highest priority, especially not with this horseshit voucher program thing which I PERSONALLY know two families who effectively lost their kids a year and a half of high school because it was a fucking scam, one wholly propped up by our asshat state governer.
The only way I ended up being able to fix my personal life was to move up to Seattle where politically I don't fit in but where I DID have job opportunities and the ability to at least make a living, albeit a marginal one at best.

I'm kind of the angriest Republican in Washington I imagine, only I usually want to kill OTHER Republicans because they're so obsessed with useless bullshit that they forget to actually look at their real problems.

>>91586047
we get it man you're the usual mid 20s internet libertarian

you can go watch penn and teller now

>>91586047
>Kansas Republican in Seattle
Yeah....that can't be fun.

>>91586157
Libertarians are the worst. Even worse then Republicans and somehow even less capable of governing apparently.
If I had to classify myself, I guess I'm a moderate Republican who literally doesn't give a shit about social issues and only cares about policy ones.
>>91586164
Tell me about it.
There is NO good barbecue up here.
They have way better beer though. Great Asian food places too.

>>91586244
You are literally espousing the same shit every libertarian "intellectual" does, dude. Conservative policy without touching on social values and discontent with the GOP.

Stop trying to sound smart and jack off in a thread about a red head dude in tights.

>>91586047
I feel your pain anon. Here we have conservative gob too, a differebt taste, but the same. They're shifting the public interest out of the important stuff to more polemic, cultural? social thenes to make left wing people mad, right wing people less mad and theur corrupted, elitist mates happy. I was a moderated left winged anon before, now I'm definitively a troskist qhi could negotiate with whoever has a goid idea to make things worl for most of us, non elute, corrupsted rich as fyck peopke who give work and education a value.

I distrust most of poluticians, anon. But I also know that there are peopke out there, of diferent political sides, that really, realky want tge work to be better and know what is really tge most important things: health, family, friends, education and having a pleasant time while we're here, even if you hacmve to do tought stuff.

I mean, they're not many, and their POW may be conflicted at points. But most agree in the core, I think.

>>91586719
Oh Jesus Christ.

I'm out. I cannot write proper english anymore.

I'm sorry about all those mistakes.

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>>91586761
>ywn be a troskist qhi could negotiate with who hacms to do tought stuff

>>91586828
I'm sorry anon Really.

About the awful spelling, I mean.

I'm working on writing the next lord of the rings, with its own language, you know...

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>>91565897
Mesner-Loebs and Waid had him befriending Pied Piper and his socialist views changed over time. Then he fell in love with Linda (who is a liberal and a minority) and the entire politicial aspect of Wally was erased.

Wally leaving his midwest ideology behind is one part of his character arc.

>>91565944
>>91566852
>>91573994
I believe it's always been Nebraska.

>>91572540
I was the drawing not very popular kid hated by his teachers because I asked too many questions.
Didn't prevent me from being quite conservative.

>>91588019

It's not a unbreakable rule, just a general flow. It's not just upbringing, it's demographics and geography, too. More rural kids are going to be exposed to communities that place higher value on things like Future Farmers of America, Boy/Girl Scouts and 4H clubs that focus on outdoorsmanship and more practical skills. Artists aren't going to be as valued, and so there'll be fewer of them. Fewer of them means fewer opportunities to develop or showcase skills. The ones that do persist in rural areas will grow more conservative, or grow more liberal and either isolate themselves or move to somewhere else. That move is much more likely to take them to an urban area where artists are likely to have an easier time finding employment and/or acceptance - and urban areas are typically very liberal.

It's not remotely coincidence that both Marvel and DC had headquarters in NYC. Marvel still does, but Marvel Studios and DC Comics are now in Burbank, California - which is just as liberal.

>>91565897
Nightcrawler was a pretty hardcore Catholic.

>>91588446
>Nightcrawler was a pretty hardcore Catholic.

Catholic doesn't automatically mean conservative, though. JFK was Roman Catholic.

>>91586467
>libertarian "intellectual" does, dude.
Not him, but it's called "critical thinking".
Gotta love the quintessentially American tendency to associate active thought as a negative thing. It's something about this country that has always baffled me and nobody has been able to explain it except using totally meaningless buzzwords.

>>91588556
American anti-intellectualism doesn't really have anything to do with anti-intelligence....it's more like "anti-education" and looking down on people who got their education through fancy college degrees and good schools instead of life experience. This attitude has led to problems in many parts of the country of course as it turns out you can't actually get very far in life without at least SOME decent attempt at education, but the attitude was forked way, WAY back in the day before even our economy existed in it's modern form.

Isaac Asimov actually summed it up by saying at it's core it's the belief that "democracy means that my ignorance is just as good and therefore just as your knowledge", though I think he was mostly just being pithy when he said that and the actual reasons are pretty complex.

>>91588589
I guess maybe because I'm Canadian I don't get it or something, because while we have plenty of liberals and conservatives here, both can pretty much agree that a good education is usually a pretty good thing and might help with future employment at the very least.

I think the USA's difficulty in separating social problems from policy ones kinda hurts your country sometimes, like you somehow literally not allowed to have complex or developed opinions on political matters unless you're an American politician at which point all of that stuff goes on behind closed doors.

Also, why I'm here, can anyone explain WTF "gerrymandering" is?
Because as it was described to me it sounds almost like your Congressman basically elect THEMSELVES almost, and that cannot be right.

>>91588556
>Not him, but it's called "critical thinking".

If you think parroting the same holier-than-thou, self-aggrandizing horseshit as every other mid 20s white dude who works a dead end job is what counts for critical thinking then more on you.

It's not anti-intellectualism, I'm mocking you for pretending you're intellectual when your beliefs are as vapid and poorly formed as nearly anyone else's, you just have the presence of mind to pat yourself on the back about it because you're so much better and you get it so much more than everyone else.

Because you're the kind of faggot who spends 20 posts in a Kid Flash thread talking about his personal politics as if other people care, as if you're somehow elucidating people to how unique and smart and special you are.

You're a dumb piece of shit with his head up his ass who never grew up, just became increasingly more and more obnoxious.

>>91588660
I just got here, actually.
I was trying to find out where Central City was after this >>91565944 post, because I can't really figure it out?
Does anyone here know?

>>91588650
>I think the USA's difficulty in separating social problems from policy ones kinda hurts your country sometimes, like you somehow literally not allowed to have complex or developed opinions on political matters unless you're an American politician at which point all of that stuff goes on behind closed doors.

this is literally what I'm talking about right here you dumb faggots

This self fellating, over generalizing nonsense. You have less political savviness than dudes who do local politics in bumfuck nowhere but you act like you're just so smart and understand things so much better. Yet when actually broached on your opinions beyond anything past the surface level it's all hot air.

"oh ho ho stupid americans don't know ANYTHING, gosh look at how stupid they are down there, thank goodness my ivory tower keeps the plebians at a thorough distance!"

>>91588677
Central City is probably supposed to bday Kansas City, Missouri, due to being in a "flat" state and right across the river from the Golden Age Flash's Keystone City, which is Kansas City, Kansas.

>>91588677
Central City and Keystone City are nebulously supposed to resemble St Louis and Kansas City, but squashed closer together to facilitate the whole Flash legacy thing.

So ostensibly Missouri. Which is why Wally had to go on a several hour trip to get from somewhere in Nebraska to Central City, since he had to cross most of Missouri to get there.

>>91588691
Okay, I should probably know this, but why the hell is Kansas City in Missouri?
>>91588685
Would you quite whining for five seconds?
I'm trying to ask questions about comics over here and you're pretending like somehow you're less shitty for blathering in about this crap like those other guys despite still being on a /4chan/ imageboard at anywhere between two o'clock and six in the morning depending on what part of the country you live in, so you're kind of just as big a looser as the rest of us losers on here right now.

>>91588720
That seems like it would take a lot longer then it should. Was this when Wally was still a teenager and (presumably) less fast?

>>91588691
This all gets messed up when Central City was in like Ohio and Keystone was in Pennsylvania for years.

Then later Johns said Keystone was in Ohio in his JSA.

Then in his own Flash run he established the Missouri/Kansas state border thing straddling the Sioux River I think? When Wally rebuilt the bridge or whatever.

Who knows now. I don't even think Keystone City has been referenced in the new continuity.

>>91588725
>Okay, I should probably know this, but why the hell is Kansas City in Missouri?

I....hmm. I honestly have no idea.
Probably has something to due with state lines and how they were drawn up I suppose.

>>91588725
Dude I let it pass for like half this thread but the guy just kept stroking his dick over his amazing political ideas. Someone's gotta tell him to stop and the best way is to try to hit a chord.

He turned a fun thread about funny bronze age Wally racism into a shitty political blog. He deserves to get shit on.

>>91588744
>Who knows now. I don't even think Keystone City has been referenced in the new continuity.

That would require the Golden Age Flash I believe, and as of yet that part of he continuity hasn't been restored, though I imagine Johns himself wouldn't mind if it was since he got his start at DC working on JSA characters to some degree.

>>91588725
Don't quite me on this since I didn't even wiki it but I think it has to do with the city existing in the Kansas territory before they became states, and then Kansas City happened to fall in Missouri's drawn lines.

Guy Gardener was a huge Reagan fanatic in JLA. Granted that's like a 30 years old comic now.

>>91588750
So HIDE HIS POSTS, anon. It's what I'm doing.
The button is right there on the corner, it's not like it's an immense amount of effort or anything....

>>91588757
...that's just weird and annoying.

>>91588763
The superior option is shame him into leaving.

It's our obligation as shitty people to tell him he's also shitty.

>>91588775
It's 4chan anon. If you're trying to "shame" anyone got fail because they're ALREADY on 4chan and thus clearly have no shame.
On a note serious note, a faceless anonymous is not a very effective person to distribute shame because your opinion matters even less then the usual internet sort because you aren't even really a person to them, just a faceless anon. Shame only really works when you care about what the other person thinks, you know?

>>91588775
>It's our obligation as shitty people to tell him he's also shitty.
dude he's on 4chan he already knows

>>91588819
By the way he talks he thinks he's hot shit. Either some newfag or his autism is incredibly strong. We have to break him down either way.

>>91565897
You cannot be a hero and a redneck.

>>91588807

Look dude if you can't look at his masturbating over how great his politics are in a fucking thread on /co/ and tell that he needs to get told he's an idiot then you're just as much an autismal newfag as he is.

He wants to talk politics like he's some special smart snowflake like this is a reddit echo chamber or some crap. He's stopped now, thank god, so you can just drop it too.

ITT look ma, I'm a libertarian!

>>91588856, >>91588889
Alright, I'm gonna come clean because it's getting late and this is getting boring.
>>91574475, >>91574796, >>91574908, >>91585426, >>91585800, >>91586047, >>91586164, >>91586244, >>91588589, >>91588556, >>91588650, >>91588677, >>91588691, >>91588725, >>91588746, >>91588753, >>91588763, >>91588773, >>91588807, >>91588819
All of this is me.
I came onto this thread because it would be fun to troll and kept bumping it up because of it. I had a good time anon, hope you enjoyed yourself as I did.

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>>91588987
For posterity's sake.
Enjoy your evening!

>>91588529
JFK was not a serious Catholic. Not any more than someone celebrating Christmas is a hardcore Christian.

>>91589000
This has been a shit thread

>>91588987
"I was just pretending to be retarded!"

>>91589145
Would you STOP talking to the troll?!
He just admitted he was a fucking troll! You are TALKING TO A TROLL.

>>91589165
What if that's just him again?

What if you're just him again?

What if all 54 posters in this thread are him?

>>91589295
>>91589165, >>91588987

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Okay, done for real now.

>>91569650
The speed force is about negating the negatives of speed. The first thing it always did was handwave friction by giving Flashes a forcefield.

Wally's clothes-force is just making the forcefield visible by dicking with the light spectrum or some shit.

>>91588677
>>91588691
"Keystone City, Kansas. Central City, Missouri. Forever united, and under my protection."

Isn't Icon from Milestone a conservative?

>>91579938
Stormwatch

I wonder what batman is. And why would a superhero who doesn't kill support the death penalty?

>>91573978
You are a fucking imbecile, my grandfather was tortured by a cia agent in Chile. He was a history teacher and right leaning but refused to tell on his students.

>>91589933
Well, in the case of a conservative they might legitimately believe in law and order and the process of justice.
Batman as a psycho-vigilante operating outside the boundaries of the law and with the police working against him is an extremely recent portrayal that is literally about as old as Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns; recall that the person in the police force he works most closely with is not a local police chief, not a detective, not a lieutants or captain, but the COMMISSIONER of Gotham's Police, meaning he is in charge of literally everything when it comes to police matters in Gotham City.
Police Commissioners are such powerful people politically in their cities that Gordon could say "everything Batman does is legit and helps the police", and then for the purposes of Gotham it WOULD be.

So maybe Batman doesn't support killing outside of the law, but the death penalty is something he's fine with otherwise.

>>91589688
Absolutely. He's a Booker T Washington conservative.

>Permanent Progress in the black community is made through industry, self reliance, strong family values, and frugality, and not through the momentary benefit of government handouts.

>>91589933

The legal system has checks and balances in it that flying around blasting baddies doesn't.
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>>91589933
They might agree with the collective population's right to eliminate a threat or something despite personally not wanting to kill people. It's like how someone doesn't like the idea of abortion but still approves of abortion rights.

>>91565897
What does conservatism have to do with racism? Pretty much every racist I've ever met was a far leftist.

>>91565897
He talked to Castro.

>>91596320
>What does conservatism have to do with racism? Pretty much every racist I've ever met was a far leftist.

You must not live anywhere near below the mason dixon line.

Racism is rampant in red states.

>>91568654
Growing up isolated from other races makes you more likely to become a racist.

It's not about a lack of travel more than just being able to think things about people you've never interacted with much.

>>91596320
Race mixing is not maintaining the status quo, which is literally the point of conservatism. It's why so many conservatives are racists.

Also, especially in America, minorities have had a lot of rough starts and their oppression has largely been enforced by conservatives. Slavery was backed by the conservative dems, jim crow by the conservative southern states etc etc.

Pretty much all civil rights in American history is fighting against conservatives. Not that Liberals can't and aren't frequently racist, but conservatives are the ones who make it a matter of policy to negate progress.

>>91588589
It has nothing to do with that. A lot of parents want their kids to go into higher education a lot of people just get useless degrees for no reason. There are several issues with education. At the sub-college level, most teachers are awful. They get paid shit so they have very little reason to do well. The curriculum is usually not meeting standards. The school itself wouldn't have the money to support a better curriculum with decent textbooks because it's budget is awful. You can thank trump for making this even worse in the coming years by slashing the department of educations budget. I'm glad I didn't decide to become a teacher because that is one of the most worthless jobs in america unless you manage to get a job at a rich private school.

I will add that there is a reason we keep importing foreign help into IT and tech jobs and it's not because they're cheaper.

>>91579938
Suicide Squad, Freedom Force, Dr. Watch and the Men...

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>>91579665
Superman and Batman were deputized in the silver age (maybe more but I recall them in particular).

>>91565897
>So what caused Wally to stop being so conservative?

He won the lottery.
Then he bought multiple highend sportscars, a much bigger house than he needed, had his mom and girlfriend engage in dueling renovations of said mansion, and then went broke.

Then, after forced to live in a shithole apartment and becoming friends with a reformed Pied Piper who had devoted himself to helping the homeless, Invasion! happened, and he was forced to save Fidel Castro from Durlans.

Basically, he done fucked up and realized a social safety net isn't a terrible thing to have, and became a Hero of the Revolucion for saving his best friend Castro's life.

>>91567828
Well, it's one thing I think, to support the idea that some crimes deserve no less punishment than death, and another to get so pissed off at someone that you personally break their neck about 10 feet away from the woman you're supposed to be marrying.

>>91574379
>then get mad when I tried to argue that people could be against Obama for reasons other than being a racist.
I seriously doubt this happened.

t. manhattanfag and TAfag

>>91568654
>major cities in the vast majority of cases are populated by liberals
>even cities like Austin and Dallas tend to have liberal views
>the rest of the country is not
Really makes you think.

>>91567828
>But according to /pol/
Why anyone takes that circle jerk echochamber seriously is beyond me

>>91588650
Gerrymandering is redrawing the boudnries of districts to give yourself an edge overall. One approache would be to try to give yourself a 51:49 edge in most districts and lose one or two by huge margins -- that's one reason a candidate might lose the popular vote but carry the election. Make sense?

>>91585115
there conservative socially which verries heavily depending on which culture you live in

being conservative policy wise means you want lower taxes and less government

and that seems like an idea do most superheroes can get behind seeing as in both dc and marvel the government is completely incompetent if not outright evil and half of all superheroes are millionaires or at the very least successful

>>91598222
Never interacting with other races actually tend to make you believe that other races acts and think the same way you do.

Liberals and Conservatives both usually get wrong ideas of other cultures because of it.

>>91606657
>some anon make a joke
>someone take it seriously
Jesus fucking christ.

>>91585426
>Communists slaughtering millions?
there are two conservative solutions to this problem
one is to complete isolationist approach(ignore it because it's not happening in america)

two is to go in with the full force of the american military and occupy these lands untill they have developed a strong culture of capitalism and democracy
>Fanatical muslims?
instill strong family values in your children not be afraid to deport criminals and get rid of the welfare state
>Black gangsters?
get rid of the welfare state and stop paying single mothers to kick the father's out of their home this would essentially lower the crime rate by 5 times what it is right now(statistically speaking a person raised in a house without a father is 5 times more likely to end up in jail amd poor than a person raised in a house with one)

>>91607332

That won't stop the communists from slaughtering their own people, it means we'll just be actively ignoring them while they do it or at best, ignorant that it's happening. Not looking at the problem doesn't stop it from happening.

How does a welfare state or deporting criminals stop people from thinking Islam means all the Americans need to die? Especially the crazy, quiet white people who no one suspects that suddenly thinks "May those fellas are right!"

That sounds like bullshit science. A study to figure that out sounds like it has no real root of causation to correlation. Maybe abuse when they're young (i.e. a good reason to kick the father out of the home) or low standards of living drive people to crime & not just "BUT DA WELFARE STATE!!!"

>>91585654
>Fanatical Muslims are inherently Right-wing
this is only true if you use a right-wing in pure social terms as far as policy they are extremely left-wing

the idea of right-wing politics is to take as much power away from the government as possible to regulate what a person can and can't do to increase any given person's individual freedoms

the idea of left-wing politics being to give the government more power to regulate what a person can and can't do for the greater good of the overall society at the expense of any individuals freedoms

for good or bad in both situations

>>91607571
Yes & if people want to live by their good ol' times ideals is easily equatable with just following sharia law. Both sides believe in the social contract & the right believe in one that is strictly formed by their own values, which are Christian values. Are you going to argue that the right DOESN'T base most of its values on religious aspects?

>>91607522
>That won't stop the communists from slaughtering their own people
you just completely ignore my second solution

>How does a welfare state or deporting criminals stop people from thinking Islam

this was specifically answer to the problem of radical islam spreading within america getting rid of it and it's entirely is literally impossible

>That sounds like bullshit science
https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/

>>91607906
Because that worked so good in Cuba & the Philippines right?

>>91607906
This is an entire website made to say one specific things, which is already a cagey thing to believe in. These aren't actual links, they just say "Yeah, the CDC said so" & only one of them actually seems to try to check for income, none of which actually link their sources. This still just sounds like a bullshit argument that pretends that it cited itself even when half of it isn't actually cited. Do YOU run this blog?

>>91607630
nothing that you just said contradicts what i said something that is socially conservative or right-wing if made into a law can easily be left-wing policy

>>91608033
My entire point is that a right-winger that isn't Christian is few & far between because the right-wing, socially or otherwise, ascribes itself to Christian mores. By that token, right-wings should be fine w/ gay marriage.

is this the same guy from yesterday just trolling about shitty politics

>>91608022
1 my point has literally nothing to do with income
2 you haven't proven need those statistics wrong
3 weather not i run the blog has nothing to do with whether or not those statistics are right

>>91608150
>By that token, right-wings should be fine w/ gay marriage
i never said that in fact i said the exact opposite here >>91608033
but there are a lot of right-wing people were perfectly fine with gay marriage they're call libertarians in fact there are quite a few modern conservatives who believe that

and if we use your logic why aren't communist the people who are as far left as possible ok with gay marriage

>>91608785
1. Your point is that a father is NECESSARY or your child will do ALL THE CRIMES & be an apparently objectively horrible person, without focusing on literally ANY other reason it could be. Correlation isn't causation.
2. That's not a sentence. The entire point isn't that I need to prove YOU wrong, the point is that you're trying to prove commonly-held ideas wrong (that single mothers are only breeding ground for trouble) & that if I'M not proving you wrong with sources, it's okay if YOUR sources are wrong.
3. Because it implies the heaviest POSSIBLE bias: you wanting to prove yourself right by any means.

>>91608971
Because despite communism being an "extreme-left" system, it's form of government is just totalitarianism. But the entire point of a communist society would be "The government takes care of you & solves the problems of the individual as they are supposed to" & totalitarianism is just the self-propagation of itself for its own ideals, which naturally will mean they'll exclude whoever they want to. You're pretending that a communist totalitarian society ascribes to PURE leftist ideals, which they HEAVILY don't!

And my point therein is the MAJORITY of conservatives are uptight republicans & not libertarians. The Libertarian party isn't part of the two-party system & don't hold a majority among the right compared to strict Christian Republicans.

>>91608991
>Your point is that a father is NECESSARY
i never said that but between a home with or without a father the one with the father is always preferable
>The entire point isn't that I need to prove YOU wrong
http://www.fathers.com/statistics-and-research/the-consequences-of-fatherlessness/
>Because it implies the heaviest POSSIBLE bias
literally everyone has a bias you should worry about whether or not the information is right

>>91609119
totalitarianism is a left-wing concept you literally can't have a totalitarian state with a small government

>>91609338
Once again, these sources, though valid, to do actually prove the point you're putting forth. You're also making an implication that, yes, having two parents as opposed to one parent may be better. But you're also positing things that are obvious: "Single parents have lower income than two parents." Yeah, two people can make more money than one person! That's obvious. The point still remains is that these are numbers & you're trying to say that all the numbers of because of ONLY having no father & not MANY other factors that could be explaining it. Second, you're not making any point that father's are necessary other than a correlation that YOU'RE positing. Finally, yes, everyone has bias, but the fact that you apparently run said blog (or are implying thereof) is that you'll be less likely to believe otherwise, STRICTLY because it's yours. Bias is still a huge matter of the problem, especially when the ENTIRE argument is about correlations that you're inventing. You can't sufficiently say that there's a "link" between something just from census numbers & throwing out any other factor. (Say, maybe people with one parent are making less money & being poor is a reason people turn to crime or have deeper problems?) This still does not actually stop the criminal problem, lavish people do criminal things too, they're just not militants. Impoverished people tend to have more to fight for or more to rally against, usually since they are dealing with less. By these records, you could say having two mothers could be just as equally effective, since it would be two parents bringing in a dual income to support a child & therefore make them less likely to commit crimes.

>>91609430
They do, it's called tribalism. It's not AS effective, since a government is the easiest way to control a powerful military. Stalin led a starving Russia to economic ruin, but he was still running things for his sake & his own way at the cost of other people's freedoms. Eschewing the needs of the many in favor of one's ability to push forward is a right-wing ideal & totalitarianism is just a twisted, overly-centralized way of running it.

>>91596320
>Pretty much every racist I've ever met was a far leftist.
This is starting to become my favorite meme.

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>>91565897
>Also are there any modern examples of characters who openly share their political beliefs that aren't American Liberal?
Quantum is a republican.

>>91588720
It's a really dumb reason but one of the reasons that I gravitated towards the Flash was because Central City was in Missouri. It just felt good that such a prominent hero was from Missouri and the chances of having a hero from Marvel being based or from Missouri are slim to none.

>>91598222
>>91606994
Races can't act. Only individuals can do that.

You tend to find racism really grows in places where two communities that are overwhelmingly of a single 'race' (whatever that means) are nearby but have very little interaction whatsoever.

The least racist places tend to be fairly cosmopolitan areas where interactions are on an individual to individual basis, not with the weight of being a 'cultural ambassador' or whatever.