Which one was the biggest waste of potential?

>>91545797
>lame 80s-90s nostalgia bait
>potential

>>91545797
Transformers. their movies are still terrible after all this time and it shouldn't have been that hard to make a movie about giant robots fighting other giant robots with a few token human characters. instead it was a movie about humans fighting giant robots with a few token giant robot characters.

the second Turtles movie is leagues better and expectations were lower to begin with after 3 terrible transformers movies. from what I've heard the MMPR movie isn't to bad.

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>>91545797

You forgot the biggest waste of truly outrageous potential.

>>91545797
>Transformers 2007
>Anything but kino

>>91545797
Power Rangers is pretty easily the least wasted of them all, because while it was really bad don't get me wrong, if you want more fun shit like the original all you have to do is watch Sentai.

Tmnt i guess.

Bayformers as a whole has carved out its own island in the franchise

With a ton of fans as well as haters

Meanwhile powerangers is kind of the perfect millennial update for good or bad

Tmnt just kind if exists

1st Transformers was good.

Unlike its source material

TMNT isn't good in any format.

PR is better than the original movie but not as good as the show.

>>91545874
This. The Transformers comics are hit-and-miss, but when they hit they blow Bayformers out of the water,

>>91545797
Transformers by far. Over the years the franchise has had a huge sprawling mythology built up and the movies go out of their way to ignore or actively shit on the lot of it.

>>91546433
>Better than the original movie
>Implying they surpassed Ivan Ooze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vU9kI3eTO0

>>91546481
>ignore it

>bay is showing us the knights of cyberton while roberts is still giving us filler

What part of the transformers mythos are theu ignoring or shiting on?

>>91545923
How bad was it?

>>91546398
TMNT is a hard nut to crack sometimes. Getting the balance for Personalities and their Ninja background is hard.

Far as I'm concerned '90 hit the balance the best while going on that classic arc sans some of the more comic aspects like the Mousers. We get that Donny is the Brains Leo is the Leader or attempting to be Mikey is the Fun one and Raph is the hot head.

>>91546107
>2007
>It's been almost 10 years

>>91546649
it was just a paint by numbers stardom script with Jem painted on top as an afterthought. Had they done things like consulted the creator and not tried to turn a quick buck it could have worked.

>>91546649
>How bad was it?

Terrible. It feels like they had a separate movie script and just swapped every name with Jem characters to keep the rights.

It also had the worst box office opening of 2015. It was pulled from theaters within 10 days and most countries got it as a straight to DVD movie.

>>91546649

You can tell just from the trailer that the film was some generic "normie to superstar" script with the "Jem" license plastered onto it. The filmmakers locked "Jem" creator Christy Marx out of the production process from start to finish. They saved The Misfits (whose songs are better) for a cameo at the end to set up a sequel that will never ever happen. It tried to capture both the nostalgia audience and the young teenage girl crowd, and it failed in both instances. It was not the biggest critical flop or box office bomb of the year, though it was one of the bigger ones on both counts.

In short: For all the faults of the three movies listed in the OP, at least they tried to stay true to the spirit of the original franchises. "Jem" did not, for which it was savaged (and largely boycotted) by the original show's fans. It was a masterclass in how to fuck up a nostalgia-laden reboot. The only way it could've been worse is if it had been made with an all-male lead cast.

>>91545874
>the second Turtles movie is leagues better

It really wasn't. If anything, it was worse.

>>91546846
Second only to 4Stick wasn't it?

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How much potential did this wasted?

>>91546891
aside from shitty ass Amell Casey Jones it fixed pretty much every major complaint people had about the last one and finally gave fans what they've wanted for years byt bringing in Beebop and Rocksteady who were a lot more fun then they had any right to be. Krang was alright.

>>91546978
a lot. thankfully the sequel kind of made up for it. not enough but it had enough to make me want another when it was over.

>>91546978

Could've been worse. Could've been better. "Retaliation" was largely better - if just because The Rock was in it. (The Rock makes everything at least a little better. SEMPER FI, MOTHERFUCKER.)

>>91546978
A whole lot.
But it was still a silly blockbuster that was by and large entertaining on its own merits.

Retaliation was a bigger waste of potential because they tried to fix things and still fucked it.

>>91546989
>it fixed pretty much every major complaint people had about the last one

>worse fights
>worse humor
>worse Shredder
>worse Shredder bears repeating because he was a literal nothing in the first one
>worse set-pieces

>>91546888

Outr-8-geous trips are witnessed.

>>91547021
>>91547024
What's the best GI Joe material out there?

>>91547068

The original comics and the most recent animated series where Cobra Commander wipes Moscow off the map.

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Remember me?

>>91547068
Resolute and Renegades. I liked the more recent comics, I think it was IDW, but I wouldn't say they were the best.

>>91547068
Original series keeping it grounded. I say ditch ever going full Cobra-La.

Play up the conflict between the Lieutenants similar to how Renegades had it. None like being below Cobra Commander and think themselves more worthy.

>>91546989
Not really.
The shitty thing in the first one was that Shredder was a non-entity and in this one he's even MORE of a non-entity with B&R being the main antagonistic force for much of the movie.
More disappointing is the fact that there was like 3 decent movies in there (Return of Shredder, Krang, Anti-mutagen means the Turtles can be human) but NONE of them got proper development.

>>91547130

We prefer not to.

>>91547130
Ah Executive meddling the movie. Kid auditions with awesome skill. Don't ever let him really use it.

Further convinces me that nobody including the Nickelodeon Executives ever watched their own programming.

But hey word is M.Night actually wrote a good script until meddling killed it.

So will he continue on with more Aang, or just skip Ahead?

>>91545797

Transformers will be going on for at least 30 more years or until Trump nukes China. For all their faults they are slowly getting to that "Fast and the Furious" retarded fun phase with King Arthur and shit, so chances are that sooner or later, or when Bay finally goes away from the main series, that it'll get better.

TMNT is just a waste all around but Turtles, unlike the other two, have a far better overall franchise history, with the original comic being amazing, the '86 cartoon being goofy fun that's still surprisingly watchable, one fucking amazing movie, one goofy cool movie, an AMAZING revival 2003 series, a GLORIOUS TV crossover movie, a pretty ok new cartoon and a modern IDW comic run that is just balls out amazing even if I'm not fan of the most of the art.

So really two shit movies don't do the franchise that much disservice, it'll just go in the same pile with the Next Mutation and the 3rd movie.

Rangers I like transformers were never good. The concept is good, the designs are cool, it has like one or two good story arcs, but overall it's just shit. This movie failed to capitalize on the super hero hype train, failed to capitalize on the goofy fun humor train, failed to capitalize on nostalgia and was overall just a horrible mess. It it came out in like 2005 (the CGI looks like it's from 2005) it'd probably be great because it's made in the spitir of pre-MCU movies. This way it's just a bizarre visitor from another time, like the Masters of the Universe movie only shittier.
It also flopped hard so there probably won't be any more.

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>The moment you remembered this was a thing
Damn this poster's shit

>any of those properties
>potential
You have 3 tv shows that were literally glorified toy ads.

To answer your question the Transformers movies because they fail at being fun movies about robots.

Out of the Shadows and MMPRs managed to be dumb and entertaining which is the entire point of their original series.

Anyone acting like TMNT or Power Rangers were ever high art needs to get a reality check

None of the above.
The biggest waste of potential is the DCEU.

POWER RANGERS was actually fun. Hope it gets a sequel.

>>91547209

You say that like he will ever get the chance to make a sequel. He will not. Even if he wins back all his goodwill from making that bomb (and The Happening...and The Village...and all his other shitty movies), the time to capitalize on any adaptation of the series has long since passed. Given how badly that film was received in the first place, and how they would need to recast everyone, and the potential for more whitewashing controversies...yeah, no fucking way you will ever see a sequel to "The Last Airbender".

>>91547363
>budget of 100 million
>earns 110 million

K E K

>>91547363

Well, they did tease the Green Ranger at the end, so they are obviously planning to make at least one sequel. (Word is they want five sequels.)

>>91547383
Then we move onto the next one then.

>>91547393
>earns 110 million
Word of mouth and Beauty and the Beast fucking killed it

>>91547477

>adapting "The Legend of Korra" to film

No. Noooooooo. No no no no no. nope.avi

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>>91547200
Remember me?
Naruto's next

>>91547543

Not /co/. Not relevant. Fuck off back to /a/.

>>91547526
How can you make something that's already shit worse?

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>>91547543
I would love for Naruto to get the evolution treatment

>>91547563

Life, uh...finds a way.

>>91547543
This movie gets a lot of hate, but on its own, its a fun stoner flick, especially if you're able to disconnect it form dragonball.

>>91547580
>Lionsgate execs find out Naruto fanbase has a lot of black people
>Shoe horn as much rap as possible
>Market it to a black audience with the hand signs being presented like gang signals
Believe it

>>91547592
Go back to dying your hair and finding fingerless gloves to wear, big jay.

>>91547631

...oh God, they really would do that.

>>91547673
>Fox News interviews a random black person who's purchasing manga about the Naruto movie
>He gives out incoherent sounds about his negative thoughts on it while going in depth about it and the characters
>This goes on for 25 minutes
>He also has lisp

>>91545797
TMNT by far. Transformers and Power Rangers were always shit franchises so there wasn't much potential to waste by turning them into shit movies anyway, but TMNT actually comes from good source material.

>>91547736

...oh God, they really would do that.

>>91547068
Original comics for comics, Resolute for movies and Renegades for TV series.

>>91547742
>Saying this when IDW's TMNT comic is better than IDW's Transformers comic right now

>>91546107
If you're mentally retarded perhaps.

>>91547736
>It's Woolie

>>91547855

...oh God, he really would do that.

>>91547855
>It's Forneverworld

>>91547393
>hasnt opened in china, korea and japan yet

gooks will save kaijukino again, like they did with Pacific Rim

>>91547919
>Lionsgate Power Rangers
>kaijukino
>When Goldar looks like molten cheese

>>91546550
They haven't really built up on the lore though. 4 movies in and we know there were 13 original primes, one of which fell. That's it.
You want a fun game? Try listing each one of major plot points, which happen before the first film and try to make sense of it.
>quintesons show up and blast the planet with Transformium for some reason then fuck off
>fast forward millions of years
>The fallen started the Decepticon faction and war, waited outside Earth waiting to destroy the sun
>Megatron makes a deal with Sentinel to transport Cybertron to Earth and enslave humans, that I guess he knew about was there
>after they blew up the sun
>then Optimus sends the cube randomly into space
>luckily it ends up going to the same place, randomly, where the Fallen and Sentinel prime were waiting

>>91547261
>while leaving the theater, I heard a couple in their late 20's talking about how it felt like the movie was setting up for a series.

>>91548134
were they happy or not?

>>91547543
The other thing people prefer not to, that ad last airbender can return the worst circles of hell

>>91545797
Transformers. Power Rangers was wasted too, considering how much stuff up to Space they could've used instead of being about nothing for 2 hours.

>>91547980
All of those are explained in the comics

>>91546649
It was truly outrageous.

>>91545797
Bayformers has all that human focus nobody wants but it delivers on robot fights every time.

Bayturtles ditched the Saki/Yoshi feud so the whole universe is really shaky. But then the sequel did more things right.

Power Rangers, as one review put it perfectly, was more like a pilot for The CW. The plot literally didn't allow them to morph until they were all nakama and shit. But the lore was more or less the same. Just needed to be more toyetic with morphers, weapons and communicators, and more unmorphed fights. Maybe a putty scouting raid.

So Bayturtles probably because no Saki/Yoshi.

>>91547742
>Transformers and Power Rangers were always shit franchises so there wasn't much potential to waste by turning them into shit movies anyway

Power Rangers wasn't a shit movie though. It was good. Not perfect (would have been nice to have more of them actually being Rangers) but still it wasn't bad.

>>91546550
The big thing is presentation. Bay spends 2.5 hours on brisk hints and ideas, which he always sets up the exact same way as "secret earth history." He also makes shit make no sense, like how Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons, except that he's not the Fallen is who just say in a chair for hundreds of years.

>>91548704
*sat

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One thing I can say about Transformers is that they're visually gorgeous movies. The 1st film still looks better than a lot of what's put out today

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>Pokemon movie
>Specifically Detective Pikachu
>Directed by the guy who did Goosebumps
>Written by Alex Hirsch and Nicole Perlman
This can actually be good considering how hard it would be to introduce the world of Pokemon to a film audience if they went with a film audience
How many bad Trump jokes will Hirsch put in?

>>91545847
Okay, name something that was real wasted potential

>>91548634
Eric Sachs should just have been Oroku's adopted son or something. There have been multiple Shredders before.

It wasn't even clear whether the bald Asian man they got for reshoots was his master or vice versa

>>91548616
Fuck off and die.
I read the comics for the first two and they did not.
The first movie comics and book just explained that Optimus launched the cube to a random location that not even they would know about. That's it.
The comics for the second explained that the twins were retarded, Arcee was an interesting concept that was dropped entirely from the movie, and that the fallen was in a mirror that Megatron found on cybertron. Nothing is expanded on beyond superficially.
I'm not reading any more bland cash grab comics about the fucking garbage heap bayformers that will get tossed at the drop of a hat off screen.
The wreckers, die off screen
Barricade dies off screen
Jolt, Arcee, and the twins all disappear
Fuck this series and all associated media

>>91548757
I thought Max Landis was writing the Pokemon movie because he came here and said so. And will they be CG with live-action people?

Bayturtles, easily.

I mean, I didn't expect much from it and I was still let down. Michael Bay is given a license that has a wacky premise right there in the title. Yet the first 45 minutes focuses way too much on April. When I watch a Michael Bay film, I just want stupid action shit, not a half hearted human plot that takes over too much of the movie. Bayformers did a way better job with humans despite a lot of viewers having that as a criticism.

>>91548779
The DCEU

>>91547611
Are you saying Evolution is a lot like The Super Mario Bros Movie?

>>91547793
Yes, my point exactly.

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>>91546550
>>91548616
Comics are non-canon.

>>91548829
Fuck you I enjoyed the associated media. The video games were the best and the comics before they were offed were decently done.

Also Barricade actually survived and is now a character in TF5.

>>91548616

The comics are non-cannon as of movie 4 Anon.

>>91548616
>in the comics

I hate that excuse. Explain your mythology in your movie about the damn mythology. I get a movie tie in comic adding something extra to the story, but there is no fucking reason why they should be the backbone of your movie because you can't tell a story.

>>91548928
Oh sorry, I thought you meant the other way around

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Rank the movie

>>91547631
>Shoe horn as much rap as possible
So they'd make a Killer Bee movie? I'd watch it.

>>91548753

Not really. A lot of the shots in all those films are too visually busy; there is often no real place to "focus" because you are being assaulted with lots of moving parts and such at the same time. (Bay's entire body of work has at least patches of this.)

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>>91548986
I think either Wild Force or Ninja Storm was my first exposure to Power Rangers, and Dino was the very least the only show that actually made me want the toys though I never actually got them in the end.

>>91548986
Somewhere around average-tier, I guess?

>>91548839
Must've gotten rejected like when he tried to pitch a Power Rangers script with Zack as the Pink Ranger and Alpha having multiple limbs

>>91545797

They were all massive fuckups. Transformers being the biggest of the bunch.

They gave a sci-fi action story to a director and team who don't give a shit about sci-fi action.

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>>91549033
I'd have to disagree. The combat, when melee and not generic shooting, is actually rather easy to watch. The problems however are two things: random background explosions they forgot to add a CG missile beforehand and that the Decepticons are rather monotonous in color. It doesn't help that they seem so fragile whenever the Autobots go melee mode and they just fall apart instantaneously if you aren't one of the big three.

>>91548947
Really? The first transformers game was complete shit. Ranged attacks were completely pointless after the second enemy was introduced thanks to an instantly deplorable shield and piss poor dps.
and for some reason it was better to hit someone with a tree than than energy blades designed to kill decepticons.

Alright /co/, there are 3 movies.
Fuck one, marry one, wipe one out of existence.

>>91548949

There is no mythology. There movies were never meant to be a franchise.

They were created in the old pre "everything is an extended universe" model of Hollywood where adapting a property meant taking a few known shit from the cartoon/comic/whatever and putting in a one off movie and be done with it. If it makes money do it again until it stops making money.

These days it's all about planing your movies 10-20 years in advance. That's why so much of Transformers movie lore makes no sense, just like Forever and The Batman are technically in the same universe despite it making no sense.

Fuck the movies were supposed to be rebooted after the 3rd one, Hasbro wanted to create movies based on the Aligned universe, Bay wanted to fuck off but Paramont didn't want to risk it. That's why the fourth one was such a massive pile of shit Bay was doing it on autopilot with a gun to his head.

If anything maybe the whole "writers room" manages to salvage the movie lore...maybe.

>>91549085
I'll never not find that stupid.

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>>91549130
Obviously not all the games.

I took a liking to the Transformers 1 DS games where it's GTA for the DS before Chinatown Wars was even conceived. The story and voice acting were top notch for the Decepticons campaign.

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>>91549143
They are, well at least they seem to be going full continuity for the promotional trailers and pictures they've beeen releasing. Everything still revolves around DOTM for human relations and AoE for Transformers history.

Also Bay definitely was hesitant to do IV but he was promised funding for Benghazi so long story short he had to do it.

What stuff from the late 90's and 2000's will be nostalgic enough for Hollywood to ruin?

>>91545797
Transformers. TMNT was at least fun and PR did a surprisingly good job adapting the series and had good character development

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>>91549301
Besides reboots of iconic horror/slasher icons?

Maybe Inspector Gadget reboot? How about anime western adaptations?

>>91545797
Transformers probably, even if I liked TMNT more as a kid.

Haven't seen Power Rangers, but the answer is easily TMNT.

>>91549414
Shut up Boco

>>91549142
Fuck Bayformers, it's alright for the occasional fuck
Marry Nu Sabanrangers, make an honest women outta her
Erase Bayturtles, get someone else to do it

>>91549142
Clang Bayformers because I'd still fuck Murdermus Prime. Look at this guy, he had abs in the third movie.

Marry TMNT, is still salvageable.
Erase PR, it's gonna be hard to do one unless you're Del Toro.

>>91546888
> The only way it could've been worse is if it had been made with an all-male lead cast.

You mean better, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NbclrVpZtU

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>>91547543

>>91548757

Im going to be pissed if danny devito isnt voicing pikachu. Probably not going to happen but pissed regardless

remember me. I know its /a/ but its reruning on toonami, its /co/ enough

>>91545797
Power Rangers. The damage done to Rita and Goldar easily outweighs anything that happened in TF and TNMT. And why the fuck is only the Red allowed a weapon!?

>>91550118
Lain when?

>>91545797
POwer rangers. It won't get a green ranger or zedd sequel

>>91547260
Bay is out after The Last Knight, though. And unless they go full prequel, the only place they can go after the Quintessons is Unicron.

>>91547261
I actually loved it, and wouldn't mind a sequel, even if the ending was clearly a setup to the series.

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>>91550455
>green ranger wank

>>91551256
>Bay is out after The Last Knight
>Bay is out after Age of Extinction
>Bay is out after Dark of the Moon
>Bay is out after Revenge of the Fallen

I haven't seen either of the Turtles movies or PR but I fucking hate Bayformers so much

>>91548986
>Dino Thunder and Ninja Storm better than Wild Force
>Wild Force being average

Whoever made this list has terrible taste.

>>91545797

Transformers. Power Rangers has always been a hard sell and is a product of it's time

>>91547543

I'd like to point out that this actually made a profit and GiTS did not. What a time to be alive

>>91550182
>And why the fuck is only the Red allowed a weapon!?

Obviously because they only had like 2 minutes of in-suit kung fu.

>>91545797
Transformers probably, but unlike the other two these actually accomplished what they were set out to and are making big bucks from it.

>>91551491

Then is it a waste of potential?

>>91551533
They're certainly wastes of storytelling potential

>>91551405
Wild Force is mediocre was a major decline in quality after Time Force.
None of the rangers were interesting, the acting was piss poor even for Power Rangers, the CG is wonky, the mentor sounds like a Kindergarten teacher, and the Cole "Roommate Eliminate" Evans killed a man
The only good thing are the lead villains

>>91545797
Ragnarok.

>>91550182
I don't get it with the one weapon deal
Don't these people want to sell toys?

>>91546888

I would have watched a Jem movie where all the girls were 50-year old has-beens who decided to ride the synth-wave fad and put together a reunion concert. 95% of it would be a long training montage, alternating with periodic humiliation of children and painkiller induced neon hallucinations.

>>91548753
>Rolls to his left in the first shot, then cut to the wide shot and he's rolling to his right.