King on New Gods

Yes. Yes I am.

>>91516963
Is that really Gerards? He's not a good fit for New Gods. Also fuck them for not getting on Sheriff of Babylon.

Kirby's own material isn't canon to the New Gods righr now. So fuck all new comers.

This seems like something King actually wants to write so I'm interested. It feels like DC offered him Batman and he went with it because it's writing DC's biggest book.

>>91516997
Let them take their time with Sheriff. The monthly grind isn't good for that type of comic.

Delicious

>>91517039
I think the biggest problem with Batman is that he has no end in sight. So far all his other comics he had a story with a beginning and an end in mind and that's something a character focused writer like king always needs. You cant' have a meaningful character arc for a static character like Batman.

>>91517042
Doing other projects together isn't "taking their time". Also, it's been half a year since it ended. If this series will be 12 issues then that;s a year, then you get another half a year between projects so that means there will be 2 years between the first Sheriff series and the second. That's fucking retarded.

>>91517021
Look at the helmet, it's different than the new52 one. Also given how much of a continuityfag King is and the general vibe of Rebirth, I think it's safe to say we're back to the original story.

>>91517021
New Gods aren't really effected by Flashpoint.

>>91517222
Only Morrison writes them like that. After Johns continued raping them with Darkseid War and considering Johns is in charge...

>>91516963
This is honestly really exciting. A New Gods series was my most wanted comic from DC for a while now, and Tom King is one of my favorite current writers. Love Gerads' art too. This is exactly what I've been asking for.

DC's celebration of Kirby this year is looking really great with this, Kamandi, and Forager.

>>91517307
Don't forget the big fucking omnibus reprint

>>91517222
>>91517271

From the getgo we had a new Orion in Wonder Woman and Big Barda and Scott appearing on a Earth for the first time in Earth 2. Kirby's own run was scraped.

>>91517366
>we had a new Orion in Wonder Woman
Shit
>Big Barda and Scott appearing on a Earth for the first time in Earth 2
One page cameo

>>91516963
This feels right.

>>91516963
I am hopeful away from the big franchise Batman we can get back to Omega Men/Vision-tier King.

I feel like King is a perfect writer for Orion's character. I'm very interested in seeing how he works on him, and the rest of the New Gods pantheon.

What kind of focus would you all want? A larger-scale, New Genesis series? An Orion & Friends book? Jimmy Olson the viewpoint character?

>>91517938
Honestly, I'd prefer small-scale focus and personal stakes. And boy would I love to see some meaningful depth and emotional exploration, which is generally rare for the big two.

>>91516963
I hope this is a true succesor to omega men and vision in terms of quality

The lack of shit posts suggests a good thread. Also what comics would you recommend of this guy?

>>91518119
I've been waiting for some genuine focus on the smaller, more one-off New Gods like Lonar, Forager or Fastbak.

Speaking of, that Bug! series by the Allred Family answered a good part of that prayer immensely. A classic, pop-art romp through the bizarre corners of the DCU with Forager, maybe developing the societal schisms between the New Genesis gods and the Bugs is just divine.

I really hope it's not as pretentious as all these quotes he's posting on twitter make it out to be.

>>91516963
not too big on king's batman, but if omega men is anything to go by a news god book by him will be amazing

>>91518221
Vision
The Omega Men
The Darkseid War GL special

>>91518247
Omega Men and Vision both had 'pretentious' quotes

>>91518233
Forager looks stupid. I hate Allred's shitty wowza style no substance humor shtick of holy molly type expressions and lame jokes. It seems that after raping the Silver Surfer he's back to raping some more Kirby characters. His art's great though.

>>91518247
A New Gods book is a fine place for pretension.

>>91518221
Jack Kirby's Fourth World saga, which is comprised of his run on Jimmy Olson Superman's Pal, The New Gods, The Forever People and Mister Miracle.

JLA by Grant "G-Money" Morrison

Orion by Walter Simonson

and he also has a pretty good supporting role in Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman.

That looks like some Sienkiewicz stuff to me. Definitely not Gerads unless he's done a complete style overhaul

I wasn't convinced it was Gerads from the previous teaser either, too stylized and not overly referenced and stiff like his work usually is

>>91518327
And their tones aren't right for New Gods.

>>91518336
>A New Gods book is a fine place for pretension.

>>91516963
I'm not going to get my sweet, cute, optimistic Barda x Scott, am I?

>>91518336
>and he also has a pretty good supporting role in Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman.
Fuck you he was terrible. A pathetic manchild.

Vision. It's probably the best marvel book in the past 20 years.
Sheriff of Babylon. If you wanna read about the war in Iraq.
Omega men. If you wanna read about the war in Iraq in spaaaaaaaaaaaaace.
Grayson which he co-wrote with Tim Seeley, though his solo issues were a highlight.

>>91518377
meant to reply to>>91518221

>>91517366
Morrison wrote the original New Gods as being recovering in Earth-51, separate from the New 52 versions. Although who knows if anyone else will follow up on that.

>>91518340
This looks fairly stiff to me, but it's scratchier and the coloring is definitely not what Gerards' stuff usually looks like.

>>91518329
>It seems that after raping the Silver Surfer he's back to raping some more Kirby characters. His art's great though.

Silver Surfer is being written by Dan Slott. You're right about Slott fucking Norrin up, though. God damn do I want to Marvel Method that book and just strip it of all text and start from the artwork and go from there.

Can't do anything about the Doctor Who tier sidekick though.

>>91518349
What's wrong with trying to be grandiose in a book about cosmic gods that war on a realm higher than reality?

>>91518376
Orion's whole schitck is having a super short temper and being all kinds of brash and emotion-driven. The very first issue of New Gods is him running off on his own to fight Apokolips out of anger. How was his characterization by Azz improper?

>>91517398
I don't see how that negates anything he said.

>>91518377
>Vision. It's probably the best marvel book in the past 20 years.
Fuck off with this shit.

>>91518445
>What's wrong with trying to be grandiose in a book about cosmic gods that war on a realm higher than reality?

You can be grandiose without being angsty and needlessly introspective. Kirby himself did that.

>>91518465
I'm sorry that my opinions are different than yours.

>>91516963
>that quote
Ah, so King is going is full pretentious mode for all the pseudo intellectuals. Fuck yeah, at least this series won't be boring as fuck.

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>>91518465
Viz was really damn good, definitely a contender for best Marvel book this decade (2010+), but it certainly has competition. Si Spurrier's X-Men Legacy, for example.

>>91518485
"Angsty" and "needlessly introspective" can be done well too. Pic related.

Quick /co/ what dark aspect of King's history/personality will he map onto a B-List character?

Vision was existenalism
Omega Men was idealism/reality
Grayson is closeted gayness

What can he do with Orion? Something involving worship or strength?

>>91518445
>God damn do I want to Marvel Method that book and just strip it of all text and start from the artwork and go from there.
Maybe they are. You think Allred would still be on that comic if he wasn't satisfied with eh writing? I saw a tweet from him calling Slot a fucking genius. He just likes that shitty type of writing, iZombie was like that too, and Madman also. The only thing drawn by him that I liekd was X-Statix, rest have been a waste of good art.

>>91518495
>hurr opinions
Seriously eat a dick

>>91518533
You just have shit taste, bro. Madman is fucking great.

>>91518529
>What can he do with Orion? Something involving worship or strength?

A desire to do good merged with rage against an evil so imposing it is monolithic.

>>91518445
No, Kirby's Orion wasn't annoying and stupid. He had anger issues, but he also had friends and was above all A WARRIOR. Azz Orion was Diana's bitch and overly obnoxious.

>>91518533
>I saw a tweet from him calling Slot a fucking genius.

Because he has class and you don't insult your co-creators on twitter if you're an actual professional.

>>91518529
>Grayson is closeted gayness

no just husbandoism

>>91518221
Grayson until the original team leaves
Darkseid War: Green Lantern
Vision
Omega Men
Sheriff of Babylon
I'm recommending the former two because I really want people to see King's range as a writer. Also don't fall for the Batman meme, it's not good. Art is shit and writing is mediocre at best and intellectually offensive at worst. Read at your own peril.

>>91518562
I'm glad we had this conversation.

>>91518568
It's some of the most boring garbage I've ever read.

>>91518247
King really tries so fucking hard to ape Moore it's not even funny. Anyone who has familiarity with Moore's style would agree.

>>91518614
Doesn't mean you have to praise them out of the blue, and it sure as hell doesn't mean you have to call him a fucking genius.

>>91518641
'kay, that won't change the fact it's one of the most acclaimed cape books out there, beloved by tons of other creators (to the point even Alex Toth did a pin-up for the series), and you're just some random literally who who's opinion is irrelevant.

Or, in other words, you just have shit taste, bro. Madman is fucking great.

>>91518700
Fuck off retard. Fucking Bendis and his garbage are critically acclaimed.

>>91518729
>hurrr just because thing X is acclaimed means thing Y's acclaim is invalid
>hurrr only my worthless opinion counts
>hurrr also random ad hominem because I'm a literal teenager
'kay

>>91518729
Bendis' most critically acclaimed work, his Daredevil, is worthy of praise.

>>91518729
Tom King is a critically acclaimed writer as well :^)

>>91518770
Are you retarded? You just tried to prove that something is good because of critical acclaim and when I point out that it doesn't mean shit you sperg out with useless shit like
>hurrr just because thing X is acclaimed means thing Y's acclaim is invalid

>>91518771
No, it's not.

>>91518593
Darkseid's dead though

>>91518770
well kinda
If
>critically acclaimed comic
is to be treated as a title indicating worth, it must only be given to worthy stuff.

Ergo, if it's given to a steaming turd, it's no longer a worthy title.

>>91518417

What book was this in?

>>91518852
Multiversity

>>91518852
Multiversity Guidebook, nah?

>>91518827
It's cute that you think that'll stick.

Plath's work highly delves in the themes of depression, despair and death. The author herself committed suicide after being depressed. We in for a wild King ride again.

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>>91517222
>aren't really effected by Flashpoint

Somebody should've said that to their costume designers.

>>91518497
Or maybe it's just a quote related to Orion? A quote that has something to do with the theme of the book? Not everything different, specially if it requires more research, is pretentious.

>>91519084
Singular manifestation in an isolated universe of an entity that operates on a scale larger than the multiverse.

Think prisms. One light shines through one end, gets split into a bunch of different lights out the other, but they're all the same light, even if they look different from the originator and even the other lights on that end.

>>91517337
What a time to be alive.

>>91519154
I thought so too, but that explains that darkseid is the same guy on every earth and exists on a plane above them.

But what if pre-flashpoint was a different darkseid (who also appears as a different light through a prism to every pre-flashpoint earth) and the flashpoint altered the over-darkseid?

>>91519320
This gets into the question of what the impacts of Final Crisis are with the Rebrith-retconned Flashpoint.

My answer is we don't really know, but the idea of Darkseid that works best is a larger-scale one than just Rocky Mongul.

>>91519132
Desu I'm a lover of King's work but I would never deny it comes with certain pretentions. That's not really a bad thing in general since most acclaimed works of this genre do come with it but it's wise to acknowledge them. Also the literature quoting in King's work reeks of King's intentional homaging/copying of Moore's style. I really don't mind it though, it's good.

Much much happier than it's New Gods in general rather than just Big Barda and Mr Miracle

>>91517337
I'll wait for trades, 1000+ pages is just ridiculous. Can't imagine the gutter loss, also no way they're going to use the good paper stock from the smaller collections. It's going to be glossy shit

Kirby's The Demon is getting a TPB reprint and we're supposed to get paperback collections of Simonson's Orion

>>91518674
He definitely doesn't. Moore is much more comfortable being lighter in tone and Moore's repetition is much less spelled out than King's. King also doesn't have nearly the wide reference base that Moore does. He doesn't draw on the same variety of characters or have Moore-isms in his work. Gillen is the guy who apes Moore.

>>91519516
I like the New Gods in general, but there is totally a place for Scott & Barda couple stuff.

>>91519669
There is but I was iffy on King writing it. Whereas New Gods in general, I'm totally for that.

>>91519560
>works are based on/refers to literature
>self referential and repetitive nature of dialogues/quotes/narration
>panel structure is very much Mooreish (frequent use of ditko panels, character models being cut up in multiple panels, use of zoom in and zoom out)
Looks very much Moore inspired to me. And the fact that King himself admitted that Omega Men rips off Moore/Moore being his favorite writer and inspiration.
Also what Gillen works are Moore-like in nature? I might actually give Gillen's work a chance.

>>91519789
Phonogram, Wikdiv.

I don't think King's works are 'based' on references to literature and the integration of the references is completely different. You can't shore up The Vision or Omega Men vs. LoEG or Providence in terms of how the referencing is done. And in terms of recurrence King spells it out on the page whereas while this is definitely a theme through out Moore's stuff even if you go back to his early Time Twisters it's handled more subtly. Panel work is trickier because there are significant differences across works (certainly for King, who has less out there). Zoom in/zoom out I'll definitely give you.

>>91519789
>I might actually give Gillen's work a chance.
Save yourself the time and don't.

>>91520114
Gillen's only truly awful comics are Warhammer tie-ins. 'Not for me' is a different thing to bad.

>>91519895
>I don't think King's works are 'based' on references to literature and the integration of the references is completely different.
By referenced/based on I meant in terms of themes. Like how Moore's Miracleman certainly draws from Nietzsche's Ubermensch theory and Thus Spoke Zarathustra or how the monkey King issue refers to Goya's painting, same way King's Omega Men draws thematically from Williams James' thesis or Vision is inspired by Shakespearean play. King obviously doesn't have the sublties of Moore's work but there are some heavy stylistic similarities.
Also how is Gillen's work Moore-like?

>>91520173
Nah, the guy shits out stinker after stinker. Young Avengers an Wicdiv in particular are pieces of shit, but that's maybe because he's working with his talentless buttbudy on them, Mckelvie.

>>91520114
I really don't mind a pretentious tryhard hipster writer as long as the work itself intrigues me and has some artistic merit. I know people hate Gillen here but I really won't know until I try.

>>91520177
Read Phonogram ;^)

>>91520173
There was that "300 done right" comic that was pretty bad.

>>91519541

So happy I have a complete shelf of the DC Kirby hardcovers. Just waiting for Boy Commandos 2.

I wish they'd do the non Kirby Kamandi in that format.

>>91519154
>>91519320

This shit is stupid. The New Gods have never worked like this until twisting logic to retain Kirby's original characters became necessary.

>>91521085
Big Two cosmologies continuously get larger-scale and more complicated. It's just some alterations so that the New Gods keep their relative position in the story. Nothing wrong with that.

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>>91516963
>More Iraq War allegories with New Gods as stand-ins

Yaaaaay....

>>91517938
>>91518119
I have a feeling he's going to be focusing on Orion and Scott's upbringing's and true parentage.

>>91518465
Marvel has been absolute dogshit for nearly 3 decades now - he's not exaggerating. It really is the best thing they've produced in a long time.

>>91518593
well, that's a truly great proposition

>>91518529
>What can he do with Orion? Something involving worship or strength?

The seemingly futile fight against corrupt, violent religious extremism.

>>91523196
Yeah that sounds about right. And Mr Miracle is going to be a pacifist or something.

>>91518529
I think every human being can relate to Orion a bit, anon. It's the urge to work towards something with the knowledge that you could just burn it all down instead.

>New Gods by King
sign me the fuck up. Nothing will kill my hype for this.

>>91516963

you have no idea how ready i am

>>91522687
kill yourself

>>91516963
Oh hot fucking damn.

>>91517138
Also, the tone of the book is more blockbuster/popcorn-y.

>>91523963
Refute me.

>>91517938
Jimmy as protagonist Oh my god I didn't realize how much I want this. Otherwise, would Lex Luthor be an engaging protagonist to follow?

>>91524427
oh yeah I forgot that lex was in charge, and this is good-lex too

>>91518465
Marvel has been shit for a long time dick head. get over it.

>>91516963
>sylvia path
thats an incurable state of shit taste, only treatment now is to stick your head in an oven

>>91518247
>sylvia plath
>pretentious
jesus christ read a real fucking book for once dipshit

>/co/ getting assblasted over tom king quoting literary authors because they only read genre fiction or atheist authors like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins
wew lad

>>91517162
You sound like an angry bitchboy

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>>91524206

>>91518618
>>91518221
> intellectually offensive

Get over yourself. His Batman is fine, great even, its just a very different direction then standard Batman, more minimalist during the I Am Suicide Arc, and people dont actually try to engage with it because they are so off put by the difference.

>>91524206
They've had some very good books in that time, better than Vision, which itself isn't really praised on the strength of the book, but rather in comparison to the last 5-6 years.
It's good, but not /that/ good.

>>91525398
>better than Vision
Like?

>which itself isn't really praised on the strength of the book, but rather in comparison to the last 5-6 years.
Bullshit.

>>91525432
UXF, Legacy v.2, X-Statix, Winter Soldier v.1, literally anything Ellis has touched in that same period except maybe Astonishing or X-Man (it's cheating, but it's still true), NXM was within that 20 year stipulation.

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>>91525432
Generation X
Spider-Girl
Daredevil: Yellow
The Sentry
Kot's Secret Avengers
Incredible Hercules
Agents of Atlas
Gillen's JiM
Karl Kesel and Cary Nord's Daredevil
Lemire's Moon Knight is better

>>91525699
>>91525787
Yeah those are all good. I don't care that you like any of those better than the Vision I still disagree but asserting that Vision isn't good or can't be enjoyed based on its on merits is horseshit.

>>91525787
>Lemire's Moon Knight is better
I dropped that soon after the first arc. The mindfuckery and art shifts were cute at first but boy was it tedious.

>>91525799
it's just not the 10/10 book everyone praises it to be
there's been dozens of great, smarter and underrated Marvel books in the past few decades that are similar, if not better than, Vision, just like DC has

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>>91525699
>X-Statix
I'll throw down a gauntlet and say that nothing at Marvel since X-Force/X-Statix by Milligan and Allred has topped it

>>91525398
>which itself isn't really praised on the strength of the book, but rather in comparison to the last 5-6 years.

What the fuck does this even mean?

>>91525886
>it's just not the 10/10 book everyone praises it to be
Not for you to decide.

>>91525787
>Lemire's Moon Knight is better

You could've at least picked Ellis over this mediocre garbage. It's every "THE MAIN CHARACTER IS CRAZY" cliche stuffed into a book that doesn't deserve its artists.

>>91525943
lol right?

>>91525083
>Gillen
>over King
Anon you'd really take a pretentious author with heavy dose of hipster over just pretentious? Get your priorities straight.

>>91525787
>Daredevil: Yellow
>The Sentry
>Kot's Secret Avengers
>Incredible Hercules
>Agents of Atlas
>Gillen's JiM
>Karl Kesel and Cary Nord's Daredevil
>Lemire's Moon Knight is better
Ano you're really reaching with these. Like fuck seriously.

>>91525943
It means that most people digging the book did it because it was an outstanding book in a mire of mostly shit.

>>91526158
I'm glad you didn't question Spider-Girl and Generation X

>>91526664
Well I do. I've never read Generation X but I have read Spider-Girl.

>>91525908
It doesn't match in art, but X-Men Legacy v2.

For a contender WITH good art, Silver Surfer Requiem.

>>91526697
I don't understand the hype with Requiem. I really really don't.

>>91526696
so you know it's perfect?

>>91526742
Well, its an overall superior option to Ultimate Spider-man for a teen Spider book surely.

>>91526556
So you're saying that if Vision came out in some mythical golden age of amazing comics, it would be less liked?

>>91516963
>Are you ready for existential angst on New Genesis /co/?
Yes.
I want someone other than Morrison to have a shot at using the New Gods to play at existential angst and psychodrama.

New Gods' in their Heaven
All's right with the world.

>>91526812
No he's just retarded. Also there's no golden age period. Capeshit, hell comics mostly are just shit to mediocre in any period and there are always few exceptions. There are no periods in comics where a publisher is printing 50 books and 25 of them are solid.
t. someone who has been reading comics for a while.

>>91526812
That's my contention, yes.

An alternate theory I have is that the book is more distinguishable because of the unified artistic identity of Walta's art. I'm not sure that his style would've been collectively 'agreeable' a decade ago, actually I'm not even sure it is now.
>>91526898
>no 50% 'solid' periods in comics
Rebirth says hello, as does mid00's Marvel. I'm pretty sure at least half of Image's output is at least 'solid', amd has been for about a decade.

>>91526963
>Rebirth says hello
HAHAHAHAHA

>>91519541
>paperback collections of Simonson's Orion
source?

>>91526963
>That's my contention, yes
Well it's wrong.

>>91526980
>t. spideyoffice intern

>>91526993
no u

Good post-Kirby New Gods stories?
Orion
Final Crisis
?

>>91527017
DC is putting out like 5 books that aren't mediocre and 4 of them are Young Animal.

>>91527040
Shade, Doom Patrol, Flinstones, Future Quest, New Super-Man and Red Hood are good
so thats 6, dumbass

>>91527075
Well, Flintstones is ending, dickfuck.

>>91527039
Cosmic Odyssey
The Great Darkness Saga
Seven Soldiers

>>91527097
its not over yet, asscheese

>>91527075
Red Hood and especially Future Quest are really mediocre.

King is garbage

>>91527075
>New Super-Man
>Red Hood
>Doom Patrol
there are slightly better than mediocre at best

>>91526027
Ellis' Moon Knight wasn't much better though.

>>91526963
>Rebirth says hello
>as does mid00's Marvel
>I'm pretty sure at least half of Image's output is at least 'solid'
>amd has been for about a decade
Wew lad. Also do you actually read every comic to make that claim? Like seriously?

>>91527194
Doom Patrol is great, best current cape comic.

>>91527166
Is not

>>91527250
is too

>>91527166
This

>>91527331
Prove it.

>>91527194
>New Super-Man
>Doom Patrol
You can get fucked nigga.

>>91527346
It's a shitposting thread, I ain't gotta prove nothing. J-just take my word for it.

>>91527244
Nope, just the good half ;^{)

>>91527391
List 50% solid Image comics currently coming out.

>>91527442
Define solid

>>91527570
They physically exist
Also, they aren't digital only

>>91527596
I am defeated.

>>91517138
King is just phoning in for Batman with no planning. It's King's fault and not some imaginary characters'.

>>91519560
Gillen apes on Gaiman, not Moore.

>>91527075
Deathstroke is arguably the comfiest series for me right now. It's just Priest back in his old stride and it feels like coming back home after a long time. I'unno.

>>91521085
It was necessary to separate Kirby's works from assassination by shit writers like Johns and Byrne.

>>91527075
>Lobdell

Is this a ruse Bros? Feels like it.

>>91527144
>Red Hood
>medicore
/co/ntrarian strikes again.

>>91521085
>Doesn't like the New Gods being treated like gods above the common superhero

>Doesn't like Morrison saving them from decades of "those alien guys superman beats up".

Anon please.

>>91529809
This, the book is shit.

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>>91529783

OP's post was King's second New Gods post. If he makes a third, I would find it hard to believe it's just a ruse.

>>91530661
Are you dumb or something? He meant the book is good and only contarians who refuse to admit that it's.

Literally even Lobdell biggest haters admits that the book is good and must read from Rebirth.

>>91518233
>Lonar

No one will ever make Lonar interesting.

>>91527098
>Cosmic Odyssey
eww fuck off

>>91526027
Ellis "run" is the best example of style over substance in a comic book ever. Fuck off with that mediocre shit.

>>91526697
>but X-Men Legacy v2.
Nah, and it's not just because the art is ugly as fuck.

>Silver Surfer Requiem.
This one isn't even good.

>>91526718
Same as Vision "muhh feels"

>>91526963
>Rebirth says hello, as does mid00's Marvel
Terrible fucking taste kys

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I'm fucking game.

>>91516963
YES!!! I get to read King again, I hate his Batman

I hope it's fun.

>>91525787
none of those are better than The Vision. Some good stuff but none are better. The Vision is something that is literature and should be ranked up there with Sandman

inb4 shill

>>91531598
>The Vision is something that is literature and should be ranked up there with Sandman
Are you fucking retarded? Vision is the Game of Thrones of comics. Though it's true that most of the ones listed by that guy aren't better(most not even good) My War Gone By is in fact much better.

>>91532007
>Game of Thrones
not at all, The Vision is LOADED with references to classic literature and the art is all framed expertly, if you look at the art it has panels within the panels to frame certain characters off from others. Virgina is usually partitioned off within the same panel. It's actually a book that one could write a paper on.

>>91532400
>references
Aka pleb shit for millenials

>>91532668
>think's references = Rick and Morty
fuck off pleb

>>91532697
The in your face references of Vision are exactly that. 0 subtlety.

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>>91516963
HNNNNG

>>91518417
No, those were just the earth-51 new gods. To Morrison new gods are beings too large to be held within individual universes so what we see of them within each universe are their footprints or reflections of their true selves which are their god heads. The Earth-51 versions are just the reflections closest to their original Kirby selves. He also makes a point in explaining that Darkseid is still technically dead, or rather his god head is still dead from final crisis, and the footprints/fragments/reflections left behind throughout the multiverse are all that remain but might one day reform his godhead.

>>91524537
>he doesn't like sylvia plath
there's the real shit taste

GO! GO! POWER RANGERS!

>>91518247
Not enough quips for you?

>>91533414
Way more pretentious than something like this
>>91533143

>>91530903
>>91529809
Do people really think this comic is so good that only a contrarian could dislike it? I've been enjoying it but come on, it's not Sandman or something like that, anyone who doesn't like the characters used, an action movie writing style, or the dark trinity idea probably won't find much to be impressed with. It's not a must read, it's just pretty good.

>>91533804
No one said it's Sandman nor it's trying to be, but saying that it's "shit" or medicore isn't right.

RHATO is one of the best books to come out of rebirth (and no, it's not exaggeration) and I haven’t seen any legitimate criticism besides "lol Lobdell" like he's some untalented writer and isn't one of the best x men writers and the creator of Generation X.

>>91533804
If it's not Sandman, it can't be must read?

Also, the guy said that it's a must read from REBIRTH.

>>91534273
And what this dude said.

>>91534273
>RHATO is one of the best books to come out of rebirth (and no, it's not exaggeration)
That just says a lot about the overall low quality of Rebirth.

>>91532007
>My War gone by
It's a damn shame that this run doesn't get enough love. It's one of the best if not the best thing ever printed by Marvel.

>>91531161
Why do you say that, anon?

>>91534273
>>91534434
Anons, I just used Sandman as an example of something people are usually being contrarian when they say it's not good. I didn't mean he actually thought it was as good as Sandman.

>RHATO is one of the best books to come out of rebirth (and no, it's not exaggeration)

I think it is an exaggeration, but if it's not, that says more about the relatively low quality of Rebirth. Like I said, I like it, I've at least somewhat enjoyed every issue so far, but it's not really doing anything special or memorable. Lobdell isn't great with dialogue or narration, and his storytelling takes a fun over depth approach. Deathstroke and New Super-Man have been doing a lot better.