How the hell was Batman Beyond so damn good?

>>91440730
Its Batman with competent simulated powers

Everything was intensified

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>>91440730
Batman!

>>91440730
It was the only show that understood how schway things would get in the future.

It understood the core concept of Batman and was a story that actually presented the evolution of many characters rather than the stagnation and constant resets we've had for years

>>91440730


Spiderman was a cuck and a petty beta as a teen, this is a what if Peter parker was a chad and batman in the future series

>>91442565
>I only watched raimi's films

>>91442601
Nop,im talking about the 60s stories, Peter was a recentful cunt towards based flash

It understood literally everything a Batman show needs, long before even making the new characters.

>>91440730
Bruce Timm finds a way.

>>91442529
Mostly this. It was refreshing to see Terry and his own rogues gallery and it was also great to see how Bruce and his own villains have aged and grown over the years, and more importantly were actually allowed to grow in the first place. For a long time before and even after Batman Beyond, the characters never really went anywhere. They'd get a bit of minor development or something major in one run and by the next it was either retconned or just forgotten. Batman Beyond took some ideas on these characters' lives and ran with it.

>>91440730
I think it's pure beauty hotness.

This COULD have been an awful series. The concept sounded really bad for the time.

"It's Batman, but IN THE FUTURE! And Darker, ans Grittier! etc etc"

But because it's made by people who know what they're doing, it's a fantastic series.

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>>91440730
Because.

I'm thinking about getting into the BB comics. Any recs or runs I should avoid that you can think of /co/? I've seen the series a million times and find myself needing more of that world.

They thought things out very well. They kept Bruce in it and built Terry his own villains. There was intrigue to find out what happened after BTAS. Everything felt right as it was the same writers/team from the previous show. It would have been easy for them to phone it in, but they didn't. Teenage Batman is a hokey concept but they made the most out of it. I still see that as Bruce's future and not TDKR.

>>91445177

Don't read anything by Beechen. Higgins is pretty good on 2.0. If you need more after that I guess Jurgens is ok post Rebirth. Before that he was fucking around with an alt universe Tim for some reason, ignore that part

>>91440730
Because you were 8 years old, didn't know any better and haven't watched since

>>91440730
It's Batman TAS with cyberpunk highschool

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>>91445294
Just rewatched it and it's fucking great.

>>91442601
t.casual


Peter was like Elliot

>>91445177
avoid all of them

>>91445177
>reading comics
lol

>>91445637
Anythings worth a try, no?

>>91445277
Thanks. I'll give 'em a try.

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>>91445125
Inque was so unbelievably great and she doesn't get enough pornographic love

Although I'm glad I still don't find that sexy with guys

>>91440730
Old Batman trains Spider-Man to firght crime, it was impossible for it to fail. Also, great villains.

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>>91442420
No, I'm not going to rape Blight. I'm pretty sure my dick would get irradiated if I tried.

>>91445787
>>91445277
If you read 2.0, stop after the Justice Lords arc.

Trust me.

>>91440730
Part of it is that it wasn't just a retread of BtAS but in the future. Not all the villains were "Freeze-Beyond" or "New Catwoman" crap that you see in a lot of sequel type stories but they gave Terry his own life and villains. They were willing to go back and see what the old villains were up to sometimes, the Mr. Freeze story was fucking amazing, but it was done sparingly.
Also, Terry was his own person. He wasn't the same as Bruce, but still took up the calling and was being taught how to be Batman while still remaining a person who wanted connections with people bringing in a major dynamic that Bruce never had in his stories.

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It came about in a really interesting time. The Internet and smartphone culture had yet to really boom, so there was more willingness to take a chance on interpretations of known media that weren't necessarily a sure thing. Sometimes it worked out, like it did with Batman Beyond and the first Teen Titans show. Other times, we'd get something like Loonatics Unleashed or Spider-Man Unlimited.

It really was a bit of a crapshoot, but you can't say it wasn't interesting. I miss that willingness to greenlight risky shows. Nowadays, it seems like most companies are utterly unwilling to serve up anything but the most homogenized, generic version of their characters, for fear of losing what little audience they can steal away from other forms of entertainment.

>>91440730
They killed off a bunch of their villains and Terry stood by while it happened. Shit wasn't the typical DC boyscout shit.

>>91445294
>can't offer any reason to dislike it other than "E-eight year olds watch it"

>>91447652
>Spider-Man Unlimited suit will never show up in video games anymore

it hurts

>>91445909
that ending where the guy tries to become like Inque but ends up crippled and in a nurse home really scared me as a kid

I'm still mad they killed off Blight so early. He was a great archvillain and radiation manipulation is a criminally underused power.

>>91448212
>Kill Blight off in the first season
>Hint he'll be back
>He never comes back

>>91448212
The suits wanted more high school stuff and the writers wanted to move away from the corporate villains trope.

It's understandable, but I think Blight could have gone much further and stayed interesting.

>>91448274
They used his much less interesting son for stuff, though

>>91445396
Very cool.

>>91445024
You forgot "It's Batman IN HIGH SCHOOL!"

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Does Dana Tan know that Terry is Batman?

>>91448802
Only in the latest issue of the comic.
Don't know about the old digital only series.

>>91447652
>Spider-Man Unlimited.
that one was SO close to working though. Just a few tweeks and I think it would have been great

>>91440730
No "Terry goes to School" episodes.

>>91442808
Very well put.

>>91448802
I think it's implied in the joker movie

>>91448802
She does according to JLU's Epilogue episode.

>>91440730
Batman trains Peter Parker to be Batman, and he fights classic Spider Man villains.

I'm sure you guys can equate the characters.

>>91448901
They should have made it canon to Spider-man the animated series and had him save Mary Jane. As a kid, I was so confused he wasn't going after her.

Once more, I find myself wishing for Amalgam Comics to come back and that I might get Spider-Bat Beyond 2099.

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hahaahaha they were shameless with that Spider-man shit.

>>91440730
It's probably the most aesthetically and conceptually cohesive show in the DCAU aside from BTAS itself. It has a strong identity, despite not every episode being amazing.

Easily my second favorite of the DCAU.

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>>91445909

Inque was great, because out of all of Terry's rogues she was easily the most dangerous and nearly killed him in pretty much every encounter. A very nice take on a futuristic Clayface.

>>91445177
The 00's spin-off comics based off the cartoons were pretty good. Actually, almost all of the Diniverse comics were good.

Why was everything the diniverse touched so good? Spin-off comics usually suck, (Premise) in the future usually sucks and yet Diniverse made it awesome.

>>91448043
>that guy who falls through the earth
>that one with the guy fusing with the earth
some episodes were 2 spook

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>>91440730
What are the chances DCEU fails and they try a Beyond universe reboot?

>>91440730
I remember the best thing about it being the simple fact that they didn't fuck up. Also lots of creepy villains and grim future.

>>91451017
>never tapping dat ass

Truly the worst fate there is.

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>>91453226
He actually did. She showed up in his room during the day, they started making out on the bed, then it cut to night.

>>91451017
>Nelson's schway new car.
Gets me every time.

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how do you become more like our guy /terry/

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>>91453462
Even he didn't make love to Dana.

>>91447462
THIS! Batman of the Future was different, it was new and had unique characters and all that.

>>91442808
>>91442529
Bruce Timm and Paul Dini were very clear that they didn't want to write Batman Jr fighting New Scarecrow Jr and Cyber Riddler and Future Croc while Robo Alfred offers snarky critique, and I'm absolutely thrilled with that decision.

They decided not to play it safe, basically

>>91445396
This was one of the best uncuckings I've ever seen in a story.

>>91453733
>>91451017
looks like I'll be saying schway when drunk again for awhile

>>91448802
Dana and Terry's relationship was so fucking awful, Dana should have dumped Terry ages ago

Terry should have fucked that girl from the Royal Flush gang more

>>91454755
Instead they had Spider-Man in the future fighting villains like Norman Osborn (Derek Powers) Doc Ock (Willie Watt and his golem) Mysterio (Spellbinder) Shocker (Shriek) Kraven (Stalker) Sandman (Inque) the Fantastic Four (Terrific Trio).

>>91447652
well it was also a perfect storm of factors. Dini and Timm and crew made BTAS and it was such a massive hit, that when the WB said "we want a kid batman" they pretty much threw a blank check at them and walked out the door, letting them do whatever they wanted.

Clearly, what they got wasnt what they wanted at all, but it was such a hit that they rolled with it, even if in the later seasons they kept trying to push for more camp and kiddie shit. (like Matt having his own mini batcave in his room or some shit, or Terry having goofier gadgets)

>>91454862

No he should have went for Aqua Girl

>>91440730

I would have found it cool if Terry worked with the future justice league more maybe meeting Wonder Women or something.

>>91457467
The future JL was lame as shit, I'm glad they didn't focus on it.

It was one of the few shows about "The Future" that focused on how much things would still suck for young adults and teenagers.

The closest thing I can compare it to is season 3 of "The Killing" (which also focused on youth hell, though in present day).

Considering today's economy, "Batman Beyond" might very well be ahead of its time.

>>91448802
During the series and movie, no.

After the time skip, she did.

>>91447423
That uncomfortable moment when you realize that the future is so fucking competitive that you literally have to be a superhero in order to raise a successful kid.

>>91440730
Some really good points made below.

From my perspective there are a few reasons.

one, it was on toonami which was anime heavy at the time. It fit that line up. Also TAS was VERY anime-esque even with the art deco stylization and architecture.

Second, Terry is actually pretty cool. He's got bits of Jason, bits of Dick (yum) and even bits of Bruce in his personality.

Third, that suit is fucking schway.

Four, that joker flick is fucking schway.

Five, shit like splicing was cool techn-science that a kid could go "woww" to.

Six, it was fun. And I can't quantify that with anything more than the above but it just was. That intro came on and I felt the same was I did when the sound of glass breaking rang out from the speakers while watching the WWF.

>>91457467
Where was Diana any way? Did she get tired of Bruce's and just decide to fuck off back to Themyscira?

>>91458701

Amazonian shit I guess I really dont see that in Batman Beyond

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>>91454862
>that scene where Melanie visits Terry
>Terry is dating Dana at this time
>the screen fades to black while they kiss

JESUS FUCK, I didn't realize this until years later

>>91458701
Behind-the-scenes reason, at the time Wonder Woman was forbidden from guest starring in any show unless she was a co-lead, that's the deal Marston set up with DC.

>>91458701
Bruce never made a move on that ass so he ended up alone and bitter. Although he made a bad move on Babs...

>>91458808

He should have ended up with her. It would be a fitting relationship. Ex-criminal and ex-rough crowd guy.

With her experience as a former criminal, she'd make a useful ally eventually.

>>91458701
There's loads of holes like that just ready to be filled up, it's annoying.

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>>91450550
Mary Jane was saved offscreen before Unlimited. She even appears in Episode 1.

>>91458853

Ugh. Bruce should have chosen Selena over Barbara. It would have made far more sense and not been gross.

>>91458930
Spider-Man Unlimited and Spider-Man: TAS weren't in the same universe. Slott made the same mistake.

>>91440730
Writing.

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>>91458876
>this never happened

>>91458941
Timm's original plan for Selina was that she became an old born again, and was responsible for Terry being a Brice-clone. Then she tried again with someone else and was in a May/December relationship with that clone, who would fight Terry for the right to be the true Batman. Of course this ended up being changed a bit for Epilogue.

>>91451168

>guy who brutally ODs on venom
>animal transformation guy goes full Tetsuo

>>91458964
They weren't? I thought for sure it was. Weird.

>>91451017
>never tapping that ass
But they fucked once!

>>91459154
They were originally planned to but they backed out at the last minute.

>>91447652
That was the shocking best stuff.
> The high evolutionary as the bbeg
>that futuristic society with animals living in the sky like the Jetsons
>that sad future for humanity where they lived under the clouds like the Flintstones
>dat robot suit Pete build all by himself that would make Tony Start feel like a 5th grader who just pissed his pants in front of the hot substitute teacher
>ALL THE FURRIES
>that doctor bitch who wanted the Parker D
>Venom and Carnage acting all Inque-ish
>You want old villains turned good guy? Well here's THE GOBLIN!
>JJJ's son who is now a werewolf again and the leader of the resistance
>knights of wundergore or something like that

Holy crap that show was awesome.
Just look at the intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzLflJhtGFs

Why are we not getting a Spider-man unlimited game?
Game devs.. WHYY

>>91460032
>that one furry lady that kept trying to get with Spidey

>>91460457
yes.
That show litterally had it all except a clone saga and Gwen Stacy

>>91447652
>Spider-Man Unlimited.
I forgot this was a thing