/doag/ - Dumbing of Age - Grabbing Chairs Edition

I had the genius idea of how to avoid conflict. That is, Sal/Amber conflict.

Simply have Marcie come up behind Sal and pull her away, letting Amber get away scot free.

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So here's an interesting bit of the Willis "creative" process he posted to Patreon a short while ago.

Interesting that he thought the last strip was so poor that it required an extended explanation. There were a bunch of confused comments on Patreon yesterday, so maybe that's what prompted this uncharacteristic admission.

>>91421114
...Goddammit, Sal struggling with the chair actually works better.

How does he keep managing to pick the worst versions of his strips?

>>91421293
More importantly, since he doesn't have a day job, why is he drawing his strips in an all-nighter marathon style?

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>>91421114
Here, have a Photoshop quickie.

>>91421352
That's how he works, it seems. Get them all into a buffer now, and worry later about how it actually looks.

>>91421390
Spent too much time arguing about Transformers or getting into Twitter tiffs, maybe.

>>91420963
>WAAAGH!

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Misanthropy: The Comic

That's about it tonight. No more avoiding the inevitable encounter at least.

>>91421606

What is Amber standing on?

>>91421606
How is Amber still in the upper chair like that?

>>91421606
>Hatin' people don't make ya special.
Finally, somebody starts making sense in this fucking comic.

Too bad Willis treats hate and spite as a positive element.

Also, I just realized that this whole situation is a prime example of how spatially empty the Dumbiverse is. Apparently this four-chair set-up went completely unnoticed by every other student in the hundred-person dormitory, not to mention faculty and staff. It's like everybody but Sal, Amber, Sarah, and the rest of the named DoA cast have blinders on.

>>91421606
>Sarah spontaneously teleports into the area for the sake of a punchline, and will probably have no more lines for the rest of the scene.

He can only get away with this in serial comic strips. If someone tried to adapt this scene to television or a novel, it would look just as awkward as it actually is

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She's standing on one of the lower chairs

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>>91421670
I'm guessing she dropped down from her spacial-physics-defying pose, and is now standing on the cushion of the bottom chair.

>>91421606
Looks like it's time for a Hate-Off!

>>91421114
Does Willis just stay up all night? Like is he a night owl or what staying up till 6 AM every day?

>>91421660
Ethen's shoulders obviously. I mean I WISH that was is case....

>>91421606
>Who can outhate people more?!

For the last time Willis: outright hating everything and everyone isn't a positive trait for someone! For fucks sake...

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>>91421830
He prefers to sleep during the day. The daytime is when his kids are awake, and like pic related said...

>>91421660
The chair that's directly below her?

>>91421970
>stays awake all night so he's tired enough to sleep through the day while his kids are awake

Dad of the year right there....

>>91421114
>Wait a minute, Sal is easily lifting that chair, that simply won't do!
>Completely ignores Amber doing another weird athletic feat in a space that has completely changed in size

They're both garbage, but the lighting and perspective in this one is better than how the other one turned out. I find it especially weird that she's pivoting the chair up against an empty one, but there's no shifting or tilting of the anchoring chair.

>>91421606
Just look at how small the chairs are in this one frame, the previous strip makes no sense if the scale held up.

>Sarah appears
Yeah, keep the train running, Quick! Make Galasso need the chair fort!

>>91421703
>Sarah spontaneously teleports into the area for the sake of a punchline, and will probably have no more lines for the rest of the scene.

You'd think that in a university with over 48,000 students, we'd see more than the main cast in public spaces

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>>91422012
>Dad of the year right there....
A keystone of the Willis philosophy is that all parents are evil.

Self-fulfilling prophecy's a bitch, mang.

>>91421606
Gee, Sarah got to that common area pretty fast from where she was last scene. Really, couldn't Willis just draw some throw away background character to do what Sarah did (also said character would call Amber a bitch for hogging all the chairs)?

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This is what I wa saying last thread. From the angle that she'd be lifting the chair, we shouldn't see the lit side of the corner of the chair that her hand is under, because it would be lifted outward from the fort, as shown in the original "struggling to lift the chair" panel. But now we know why he made the mistake. He was tired and rushing it.

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>>91422178
There are plenty of other students, but they're all victim-blaming, misogynist, and probably racist scum, like Tan-Hoodie here that the Willy fans tore to shreds.

>>91422260
You'd think Willis would consider a sort of Kickstarter campaign tier reward for the purpose of allowing fans to become background characters.

The whole "Amber and Amazigirl are different personalities/people" thing is such a stupid, stupid idea and I can't believe it has gotten the legs it has.

>>91422405
He did that for a couple of the early DoA books, but I guess drawing new things got too hard.

Kids, man.

>>91421970
Doesn't Willis's wife have a day job? Who takes care of the kids?

>>91421699
Nah, it's more that the other students are just NPCs, moving around and not interacting with anything the main cast does unless they initiate contact first.

>>91421606
where the fuck did ethan go?

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So WAAAAGH! is now canon to DoA.

>>91422690
Amber caught him in an imaginary Pokeball

Or maybe he just left when he saw Amber constructing her hate-cave

One or the other

>>91422476
She is also an artist.

>>91422426
Okay, so I typed something up earlier today about this, but crap happened, and it was lost. So. I'm here. Let's talk about DID. Long post incoming shortly.

>>91422690
Willis next Slipshine will be hardcore anal vore.

>>91422568
Great, now I'm thinking about a DoA Persona game.

>>91400110
>So let's figure this out; how accurate is Willis' representation of DID here? We should try to set tumblr loose on him and see what happens.

First, let me make this really clear: Willis's depiction of DID is totally and completely wrong. Amber is just a person who talks to herself and uses her superhero persona to absolve herself of blame.

>>91400540
>DID is an exceedingly rare mental disorder brought about by long-term psychological trauma. Its very existence is the subject of debate and there are few agreed upon diagnosis criteria. Setting tumblr loose on him would do nothing as his depiction of DID fits completely within the pop culture idea of DID and DID is a frequent self-diagnosis among the mental illness chic crowd. That being said, Amber doesn't have DID due to the lack of memory impairment associated with switching personalities.

>>91401199
>Shockingly, Willis has done no research whatsoever into a topic central to his characters and plotlines.

>A few months back, we had a poster whose boyfriend had DID and she talked about the condition in some detail, how Willis's portrayal of Amber fell fall short of reality, how if he ever outright stated that Amber had DID, she was going to go nuclear on him, or even if he started trying to push Amber's condition too far towards DID without ever saying that's what it was.

>Girlanon, are you there? Can you answer >>91400110's question? And should we run to the fallout shelters yet?

Here are links to my original posts on the matter:
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/87163314/#87182423
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/87163314/#87175696

Someone else said this:
>Amber has legit mental issues, but it's not DID. It's an exceedingly maladaptive coping mechanism featuring extreme compartmentalization and projection; she's defining actions and attributes of the whole into two distinct personas and her personality is disintegrating.

More incoming soon. I am nowhere near done.

>>91423018
Keep it coming, anon. It's nice to have an informed perspective other than the Mental Illness Chic Queen, Cerberus.

>>91423018
I'm pretty sure Willis didn't set out to make Amber have DID, but his moronic fans complimented him for his realistic portrayal of mental illness, and if he contradicts them, he'll lose diversity points. It's just like the stupid "Dina is asexual" angle that Cerberus is also pushing.

>>91423018
As we've seen since then, Amber doesn't really know which one is which. I still assert that she is using it to avoid responsibility. She's angry with Danny as Amber, but he was dating Amazi-Girl. If the identities were separate, Amber wouldn't give a crap. It would not be her problem.

As that other person mentioned, she doesn't have any associated memory loss. It can be the simplest things they don't remember. Sometimes, people with DID will get taken over when they're totally tired and can't function properly. The other identity (alter) will essentially pitch in to take care of their host.

For example, let's say Amber stayed up late playing Mario Kart. She forgot that she had class at 8 AM. Amazi-Girl could have forced her way to the front to make sure that she got some sleep. (This is something that has happened with my DID boyfriend.) Then, in the morning, if Amber is still too exhausted, Amazi-Girl would get her sorry butt out of bed, eat breakfast, and take her to class. Class might be halfway over by the time Amber wakes up and takes over again.

The point of the alter is to share the load. Usually, they are formed because of something psychologically damaging. While Amber has that covered (however weakly), she does not have an actual alter. For one thing, she literally talks to herself. She is talking to herself in that strip where she's in the dark trying to figure out what to do about Sal. If you talk to an alter, you're doing it in your head. And even then, it's really not common.

They occupy a separate headspace, hence the memory issues. I know someone who was able to look down at her body from the back of her head while she was taken over, but she wasn't able to come to the forefront. This is less common, but it is the closest you're going to get with them interacting like this.

My boyfriend occasionally refers to himself in the third person, but he doesn't like... ask the other guy for his opinion out loud.

See more from me soon.

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>>91423099
There was this one post. This one faint, passive-agressive glimmer that Willis secretly resents certain fans of his.

>Amber's headspace is not so unfamiliar to me

This comment chain was in response to the 2/14/17 comic, "Pokestop"

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My boyfriend and the other guy kind of communicate with each other inside his head, but he has never, ever talked to him out loud.

And back to Amazi-Girl and Amber breaking up with Danny. Okay, so Danny was talking to Sal. Amber is the one who hates Sal, not Amazi-Girl. Amazi-Girl, in fact, says to Sal that she is protecting her from Amber. Amazi-Girl--if she were in fact a separate entity--would hold no ill will for Danny talking to Sal without knowing the significance of doing so. (In fact, Amazi-Girl might even be grateful for Sal, or she wouldn't have existed otherwise.)

If Amazi-Girl really were separate, she would tell him what Amber's relationship with Sal is, and everything would have been fine. Amazi-Girl was dating Danny, not Amber. Amber should not have had any say in the matter. Amazi-Girl could consider her feelings, sure, but it wasn't Amber's decision to make. But it's VERY apparent Amber is who broke up with Danny for talking to Sal.

This is further emphasized when Amber talks to Danny about it after class. Even Amber doesn't know who broke up with him. Because they're the same dang person. This is how you can tell someone is a liar. They can't keep up with their lies. Amber can't remember who broke up with Danny, because she's lying about Amazi-Girl being her own person.

If Amazi-Girl were her own person, there would be no question. Because Amber just wouldn't have been there. OR Amber could have told Danny that Amazi-Girl was going to break up with him.

In "Mask or No Mask," we very clearly see that there is no difference between who she is with and without the mask on.

More coming, guys.

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When Amazi-Girl catches Pokemon in the middle of busting crime, she doesn't say "Oh, I should do this for Amber." She reacts as Amber but with the Amazi-Girl speech bubble. They can't switch back and forth that easily. Swaps don't just happen every few minutes just because you can. It often requires specific triggers, or it can be shown with certain actions, like suddenly dropping your head onto a desk and sitting up, seeming confused.

Amber is not confused when she comes out of being Amazi-Girl. Amber knows where she is at all times. She has no memory loss. She doesn't lose time. Losing time is one of the big indicators of having alters. You can go from doing homework in the afternoon to suddenly becoming aware of yourself in a totally different place hours later, with no idea of how or why you are there. Sure, they can fill you in, but there will almost never be any memories of the events that transpired while the main person was away.

Amazi-Girl is a persona, not an alter.

More coming again, dudes. This time, we talk Superman.

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Superman is Superman. Clark Kent is a persona. Superman is 100% aware of himself when he's Clark Kent. He is conscious about making sure that he doesn't reveal his secret. He tries to keep his life separate to some extent, so as to not draw any connections between the two of them. Clark Kent is more like a spy and a getaway than anything.

Can you imagine how much relief Superman gets from being Clark Kent? No one expects anything from him. He can just be a quiet, mild-mannered reporter. No one questions Clark Kent. No one is afraid of Clark Kent. No one wants Clark Kent brought to justice because he's a vigilante. Clark Kent doesn't have to deal with the exhaustion of being super all the time. Clark Kent is a vacation, not an alter.

Superman is able to use a second life, much like the titular character of "The Importance of Being Earnest." Ernest knows exactly who he is, and he leads a double life, because he likes the thrill of it. When he's in town, he can act one way, and when he's in the country, he can act another way. This is an example of personas, not alters. Because once again, like Clark Kent, he knows who he is 100% of the time. He has no memory loss.

It's called ACTING. Amber, Superman, and Ernest are all three pretending to be different people. It's essentially lying, pretending, acting, whatever you want to call it.

Sorry, I'm not done yet.

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It is the same kind of escape one gets from playing video games and reading books. It's pretend. Everyone does it from time to time. Amber is stressed about being Amber. We get that. It makes sense. She pretends to be Amazi-Girl, because it's a good channel for her anger. Amber is a VERY angry person, and as Mike points out, she's just like her father. She is violent. Amazi-Girl is a way for her to channel her violence into something she sees as constructive.

You might recognize this as the reason for a variety of hobbies. When a poet is sad, they write a poem that expresses their sadness. It's an easy way to separate yourself from your feelings and bring yourself to a more grounded headspace.

An alter, while they provide a reprieve for the person dissociating, does their own thing.

My apologies for these long-winded explanations, but I have a lot to say about this matter.

It is frankly insulting that Willis is trying to make it sound like she just has an imaginary friend or whatever. You don't freaking talk to yourself when you have DID. (Also, why tf isn't Ethan speaking up about this? Did he leave without us knowing about it?)

Alters have their own agenda. Amazi-Girl's agenda is the same as Amber's. While alters can share things with the main person, there are still differences.

As I pointed out in my old posts (DesuArchive links), a person with DID can have an allergy that their alter does not. If Amber is allergic to carrots, then Amazi-Girl might not be. They also are chemically different.

I got more for you coming up, my dudes.

>>91423428
>Sorry, I'm not done yet
Don't be sorry, m8. This is fascinating.

Clearly Willy always envisioned the AG/Amber thing with Supes in mind. Anyone who read Shortpacked! knows that. The whole gag was that no one knew who it was because AG wore a stupid eye-mask. Just like Clark's glasses.

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When my boyfriend is swapped out, it is like sharing a space with someone I hardly know. Many times, the other guy can slip through undetected, but it becomes apparent later through memory discussions that he had no idea what the other guy said.

I generally spoon with my boyfriend if we're sleeping next to each other. When the other guy is there, it feels SO awkward. Like... yikes. I haven't had to sleep next to him too many times, but we sleep with our backs to each other, not really touching if possible.

You can tell by the way Danny acts with Amber that it's REALLY apparent to him that they're not separate. Once he finds out Amber is Amazi-Girl, he tries to treat Amber like they're dating.

To Danny, they're the same, and that tells us far more than anything else in the comic can.

Amber reacts negatively when he acts like he's dating her and not Amazi-Girl, but that's because she's protecting her secret from other people. She SAYS "You're not dating me; you're dating Amazi-Girl." But when Danny did something nice for her, she's all like "Amazi-Girl has something ~planned~ for you later."

It's role-playing, plain and simple.

>>91423558
Thanks!

In Shortpacked!, it's also very clear that they're separate people. And if we know Willis, we know one thing: EVERYTHING carries over from other parts of the Walkyverse. Amber came up with Amazi-Girl when she wanted to think about what she would be like as a superhero. Standard geek stuff. Then, she started dressing up as her, because it was empowering.

A similar effect was achieved when she walked around in lingerie (also in Shortpacked!).

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I think I'm finally starting to wind down on this train. At least one more (probably 2 or 3) coming.

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You need a Tumblr or something to post about this with the DoA tag. These are important points and they shouldn't just be limited to /doag/.

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When Superman saves Lois Lane, it's because he loves her. Clark Kent is technically dating Lois, but Superman--being the same person--loves her too. He goes out of his way to save her as Superman. He doesn't have to do that. Lois (depending on the version of Superman) has no idea that they're the same person.

Stephenie Meyer's "The Host" is a closer depiction of DID, and the alter is an ALIEN. The main character's alter is literally an alien, and it's closer to DID than anything Willis has come up with.

Really think about this. That's the author of the "Twilight" saga. And her foray into sci-fi is closer to DID than Amber and Amazi-Girl.

Just so you guys know I'm not completely basing this off personal experience, I'm going to lay down the law with the DSM. The DSM is what people in the psychology use to diagnose people. If it's not what the book says, you can't diagnose them.

There are 5 criteria, according to the current version of the DSM (copied and pasted in the next post).

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>1. Two or more distinct identities or personality states are present, each with its own relatively enduring pattern of perceiving, relating to and thinking about the environment and self.
Amber and Amazi-Girl have the same opinions about everything. They both relate to the world through violence.

>2. Amnesia must occur, defined as gaps in the recall of everyday events, important personal information and/or traumatic events.
It is worth noting that it's not JUST traumatic events. Amber might not remember eating breakfast, but she feels full. She might set a new record on Mario Kart but not remember doing it.

>3. The person must be distressed by the disorder or have trouble functioning in one or more major life areas because of the disorder.
I'll allow this one. She has a hard time making decisions and deciding what truth to tell because of her insistence on keeping them separate.

>4. The disturbance is not part of normal cultural or religious practices.
Pretty straight-forward. Nothing in modern America says that this is a normal cultural thing, and we know that she's an atheist.

>5. The symptoms are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (such as blackouts or chaotic behavior during alcohol intoxication) or a general medical condition (such as complex partial seizures).
She doesn't drink--she actively prevents underage drinking. She doesn't seem to take any drugs, other than lack of sleep (which is the same as being drunk if you're sufficiently tired). She doesn't have seizures or anything else.

This page is where I pulled the quotes from:
http://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/dissociative-identity-disorder/dissociative-identity-disorder-did-dsm-5-criteria/

It succinctly explains what the disorder is and what it takes to diagnose it. Amber could never, ever be diagnosed with this.

More sources coming.

>>91423699
I'll compile all the posts into a screencap tomorrow morning unless someone does it before me, so they can easily be re-posted or posted on somewhere like tumblr.

Right now I have to go to bed and dream of a better world where I never read a David Willis comic.

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You can tell I'm getting tired, haha.

Other associated issues (from WebMD):
>Depression
Maybe?
>Mood swings
Yeah.
>Suicidal tendencies
Nope.
>Sleep disorders (insomnia, night terrors, and sleep walking)
She just likes staying up late. There's a difference between not being able to sleep and not wanting to.
>Anxiety, panic attacks, and phobias (flashbacks, reactions to stimuli or "triggers")
Yeah.
>Alcohol and drug abuse.
>Compulsions and rituals
>Psychotic-like symptoms (including auditory and visual hallucinations)
>Eating disorders
Definitely not!

These aren't requirements, but they are often associated with DID and/or are caused by it.

More from WebMD:
>Depersonalization. This is a sense of being detached from one's body and is often referred to as an "out-of-body" experience.
Definitely not.

>Derealization. This is the feeling that the world is not real or looking foggy or far away.
Maybe? Hard to tell with a webcomic.

>Amnesia. This is the failure to recall significant personal information that is so extensive it cannot be blamed on ordinary forgetfulness. There can also be micro-amnesias where the discussion engaged in is not remembered, or the content of a meaningful conversation is forgotten from one second to the next.
This doesn't happen at all.

>Identity confusion or identity alteration. Both of these involve a sense of confusion about who a person is. An example of identity confusion is when a person has trouble defining the things that interest them in life, or their political or religious or social viewpoints, or their sexual orientation, or their professional ambitions. In addition to these apparent alterations, the person may experience distortions in time, place, and situation.
Amber and Amazi-Girl have the same views on all these things.

Okay, one last post coming up, because I am exhausted and do not have an alter to take over for me.

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Don't worry about sounding tired or sourcing diagnosis, Girlanon.

The DSM-V is basically a fantasy RPG rule book anyhow.

THANKS, BIG PHARMA!

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WebMD link:
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder#1

I haven't checked these websites entirely, but they seem like good additional resources on the subject:
http://traumadissociation.com/dissociativeidentitydisorder
http://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.books.9781585624836.jb08
http://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-Conditions/Dissociative-Disorders
https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm
https://behavenet.com/node/21612
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/Dissociative-Identity-Disorder-(DID)-DSM--5-300.14-(F44.81)

I had a minor in psychology, so I'm no expert. I cannot diagnose you--well, not legally, anyway!

If ANY of this sounds like a problem you have, PLEASE seek help. NAMI.org is a great place to start.

Mental disorders are no joking matter. If you struggle with anxiety or depression or amnesia, you should talk to someone about it. You can go to sites like 7 Cups of Tea if you need someone who's trained as a listener. There are a lot of other sites. Don't be afraid to seek help. I implore you. Someone out there cares about you. I promise. Even if it's just me. (I can provide more resources on these matters if anyone requests them.)

Again, I am NOT an expert, but look how easily dismantled the idea of Amber having DID is. Anyone with a few seconds of Googling could have found some of this information.

Therapy and counseling are good. Medication can be good for some people.

>>91424003
>The DSM-V is basically a fantasy RPG rule book anyhow.
To some extent, yes. But it's an important starting point for getting a genuine diagnosis. The DSM was updated only a few years ago, so it's still pretty up-to-date with current medical professionals' opinions.

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One of the reasons I keep coming back to these threads is that they're some of the few instances that my choice of psychology as a major is utilized. Bless you, Girlanon, and best of luck to you and your boyfriend.

Ugh, I'm so annoyed that I posted that one post on a different computer. I thought that was the one where I had the links to the previous threads, but it was this one.

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Thank you for all the thoughtful and relevant remarks! I do have a snarky Tumblr where I post stuff like this. Maybe it has a place there. I'm fine with everything being collected as record. Maybe it should go in a separate Google Doc?

Here's a twist for all of you:
I'm also DocAnon. I have OCD, if y'all can't tell.

I hope my verbosity hasn't gotten on anyone's nerves or stifled otherwise interesting discussions.

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>One of the reasons I keep coming back to these threads is that they're some of the few instances that my choice of psychology as a major is utilized. Bless you, Girlanon, and best of luck to you and your boyfriend.
Ahh, thank you! I hope I tackled the topic well enough!

And thank you! He is fast asleep right now. I think I shall join him.

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I love all of you dearly, and thanks for listening. (◠‿◠)

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>And thank you! He is fast asleep right now. I think I shall join him.
Hahaha, I can't sleep because of my anxiety for some reason.

So, uh, hi, late-night/non-American 4chan crowd.

(Btw, if anyone wants to archive-dive for the relevant strips when they catalog my posts, that would be interesting!)

So. How are you? Why are you awake?

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I slept till 4 P.M. today and I'm not tired again yet. It's probably unhealthy but I love sleep too much to care.

>>91424795
Storms are coming and I have a massive fear of them, to the point that I once spent 11 hours in a 3' by 2' room with three dogs and two cats.

Your analysis and experience is fascinating.

>>91424877
Hmmmmm, if you like sleep so much, why not go to bed earlier? Then you'd be able to sleep the same amount of time but miss less daylight. You should probably get Vitamin D supplements at this rate.

I'm trying to fix my sleep schedule, so I feel dumb for being up this late. Waiting to hear back about my MRI from Friday, so that's probably it.

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Yikes! I'm afraid of tornadoes because of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornadoes_of_1998

It was not a fun time. I was in elementary school. We went to the state capitol and saw one of the shredded flags from the storm. That did not help matters.

It honestly just takes time. I recommend sound-cancelling headphones, a calming music app/website (Calm.com & MyNoise.net are my favorites), and soft pillows and blankets.

Making a nest is the best for when you're stressed. You also might consider some anti-anxiety meds.

I'm horribly claustrophobic (FFS, what *isn't* wrong with me?), so I took a whole Xanax before my MRI. They covered my eyes up and took care of me really well.

Is there anyone you live with/near that is sympathetic to your fear? I find it helps to have someone keep my mind off things, like when my OCD or anxiety goes into overdrive.

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Yeah, I'm working on my sleep schedule too, but my depression makes me feel exhausted all the time during the day. My meds help, but sometimes there's only so much you can do.

>>91424982
Agoraphobe. Haven't left my place in six months. Anything I can't shoot I'm concerned about.

Tornado. I was a kid. More concerned about power, it fails, my meat goes bad, and the friends I do have can assume I'm dead.

Don't have headphones and all my music is just shit like Laserhawk and Futurecop.

My state sucks.

>>91424795
I work nights during the week so I'm basically nocturnal at this point (although I did recently start Vitamin D supplements with noticeable effects so I should probably try to get a little more sun)
Also I think if I'm remembering right you're the anon who helped me with grad school stuff? If so, thanks again, heard back affirmative from 2 schools. :>

>>91425035

Would you like recommendations for relaxing music/audio/other? I'm sure we'd all be willing to help you out.

>>91424998
For sure. Once I'm not super-poor, I want to get a sleep study done. It's expensive. I've always had insomnia. I had one blessed year without it when I was 12, and then we went across the country and ruined it.

It's freaking tough. It's possible there's other stuff going on, since depression often accompanies other chronic conditions. You could possibly be sneaky and take like... DayQuil when it gets really hard to stay awake, haha.

I'm tired all the time too. Wish I could help more!

>>91424917
>Your analysis and experience is fascinating.
Totally forgot to reply to this part! Thank you!

>>91425035
Ah, yeah, makes sense. If you have Internet, you can get Calm and MyNoise on your phone. Won't be as effective without headphones, but they still help.

For apps, I also recommend The Quiet Place (also a website), PurringCat, Sleep Ambience (sic), and anything else that is supposed to help people sleep or even meditate. They work great during the daytime too.

Can you make jerky out of any of your meat? Or find some other way of preserving it?

I also recommend a site like 7 Cups of Tea. Agoraphobia has to suck. Might help to talk to someone online about it. 7 Cups is free, while some other sites are not.

>>91425060
Yes, do keep up with the Vitamin D! Drink milk too. You should probably get a sun lamp since you work nights, especially if you live alone.

Yep! I spend way too much time on here. And to think I used to be terrified of this place, haha.

Yay!!! I'm so happy to hear that! I'm glad I helped!! Have you picked which one to go to yet?

Also spent so much time on here today that my CAPTCHAs have gotten increasingly weird. I just had to pick helicopters out.

>>91425115
It's just store bought ground chuck and steaks. Nothing to really salt. Oddly enough, I have zero trouble sleeping because early in my teens I learned how to enter a fugue state by closing my eyes and concentrating. I sorta see the patterns you see when you close your eyes and rub them and wake up a few hours later completely refreshed.

>>91425072
Go for it, man.

>>91425115

Thanks. I honestly appreciate the support.

You know, anons come into /doag/ all the time and ask why we're still making these threads. What the point of it all is.

I can honestly say it's for the conversation. For moments like these. THIS is why I come to 4chan.

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>>91425161
It's awesome that you can at least sleep! I mostly meant to use those to drown out storms and such. Things that are meant to help people sleep are also great for drowning out other sounds.

>>91425166
No problem! I honestly feel the same way. I'm on here almost every day. This is one of the most interesting, supportive groups of people I know.

Lots of love. If anyone needs me, let me know, and I'll try to reply sometime after I wake up. I think I'm finally ready to crash.

Hang in there.

>>91425161

Well, this one's always a good one whenever I want to fall asleep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ_MMPYaBLU

>>91425289
Good song. Thank you.

>>91425302

You're welcome. :)

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Oh shoot, I need some sexy Mike

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>>91421606

>>91423428
I think your assessment of Superman is incredibly wrong if you think Clark is the persona. Clark exists before Superman does, and being Clark first is integral to why there even is a Superman. Superman isn't Clark Kent, Clark Kent is Superman. Sorry to dismantle one of your points.

>>91425574
So it's his spite filled hate sex with that guy he had with to piss Ethen off?

>>91426104
I personally think Superman feels more real and natural to him. Clark is meek for the sake of throwing people off the trail. Being Superman is freedom, because he is more completely himself and doesn't have to pretend.

>>91425574
>>91426993
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/blog/9153/
>Week 24: Mike (with Eric)

Yup.

>>91423521
Do you even know what an allergy is?

Girlanon, I want to ask you about Cerberus. Do you think she's lying about her experiences with DID since she's insistent that memory problems aren't necessary?

>>91422012
Fucking kino stratergy. I think you're just jealous you don't have the oppurtunity to do the same.

>>91428348
Not girlanon, but iirc, her pov is that Cerbie certainly has mental problems but not DID-related mental problems.

>>91428886
>DID-related
I am going to be upfront and say I haven't read the namefags spiel. I did read a response about psy majors briefly though.

If either of them are pretending DID is real they should resign. The numbers don't fucking lie. DID theory is just that.

The sooner we put the DID meme to rest the better for everyone

>>91429186
Well there is the belief that DID is a physician-induced disorder.

>>91426993
I almost wonder if this is going to be a course of action from now on, where Willis inserts implicit scenes of sexual activity so that he has pin-ups he can churn out later.

>>91428348

If Cerberus took a brick to the braincase I think they'd come out of it extensively more mentally competent than beforehand.

Is my opinion.

>>91421606
>Sal being consistently reasonable
She deserves to be in a better comic strip.

>>91429186
>I haven't read the namefag's spiel

You would rather spout an uninformed opinion than take 5 minutes to look at what you're talking about?

>>91421606
Sarah looks like she has some sort of pelvic cast. Like someone shattered her pelvis from hard fucking.

>>91432425
Maybe he doesn't feel the need to read an anecdote when he's previously spent time studying the topic.

>>91432508
Sarah needs some hard fucking.

I figure she'll never get any before this strip ends.

>>91427639
I can't explain how the allergy thing works. I learned it in class. I just know that it's possible for one alter to have an allergy and for another to not have that allergy. I don't feel like researching it right now.

>>91428348
I think that she THINKS she has DID. Based on what she's said about it so far, it's hard to tell. She spends more time talking about being trans and asexual, so I don't have enough data to extrapolate. It's possible that she has it. I haven't seen where she says the memory problems aren't necessary. They generally are necessary, but it's possible that she can take a backseat to her mind when her alter is out. Not particularly likely, but it's possible.

>>91429186
Have you studied psychology at all?

>>91430368
My boyfriend doesn't talk to doctors about it, because his alter has been around so long that he can't imagine getting rid of him.

>>91430961
Taking hits to the head can drastically change a person's personality.

Here's a fun one for you:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10858

>>91433504
It's not totally an anecdote. I use research and acquired knowledge from my university courses to back up what I'm saying. I know how to show my work.

>>91433876
I'd agree, but I think ....... >>91430864
>I almost wonder if this is going to be a course of action from now on, where Willis inserts implicit scenes of sexual activity so that he has pin-ups he can churn out later.
Might be right.

>>91433915
Except he's already shoved SarahxJacob in favor of JoycexJacob, meaning the only real option she has is Joe.

>>91433915
She says she's been medically diagnosed by four professionals.

>>91434481
Then I would wager it's true. Not sure why she would go to 4 different people for that, but it makes enough sense that I'm not going to question it.

I'm sure there's a lot Cerb says that isn't true, but I haven't been given any reason to think she's lying about DID. Yet. People don't share 100% of their lives, so it's difficult to diagnose someone just by reading their posts.

I don't really know if it's believable that her therapist says she should analyze each strip, panel-by-panel. I don't think it sounds constructive unless it has to do with being trans, asexual, or dissociative.

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>>91433974
If it was my comic*, at some point I'd have Joyce realize that Sarah and Jacob isn't going to happen, and just have her go to Roz for a discreet gentlemanly hook up for Sarah because she really fucking needs it.

Then you do the joke where Roz is mock offended that Joyce thinks she knows how to find easy fucks, and then she pulls up an extensive spreadsheet sorted and categorized by salient features and finds a few matches for Sarah.

Then Sarah gets the good D, is happy for about a third of a day and goes back to her misanthropic self.

*But I wanted to ignore online dating stuff to have things be a little more proximity driven, like Willis is doing, and I didn't want Sarah to just find someone else who would like her in a study group, tutorial/discussion session , project group or something like that.

>>91434606
She could simply be diagnosis shopping, it's not uncommon for patients to keep switching therapists until they get a diagnosis they want to hear and a specific kind of treatment they desire.

As for her analyzing the strips, I'd wager her therapist encourages her to comment as a form of writing therapy and as a clandestine way to view her responses outside of a clinical setting.

>>91434629
Only if after an arc of Roz and Joyce failing to find a Sarah a man as Sarah grows ever more misanthropic, the story is capped off with the reveal that Roz fucked Sarah because she was getting tired of her negativity.

>>91434967
All valid points. It's interesting that at least 4 people did diagnose her, though. Makes you wonder how many others she visited.

>>91434967
>the story is capped off with the reveal that Roz fucked Sarah because she was getting tired of her negativity.
Definitely would love to read that.

>>91427471
Don't even know how many gay people even subscribe to slipshine, let alone straight people.

>>91436560
I'm going to assume the gay sex is going to be as tame as possible, just like the gay sex scene in "Tales of Sinterest". Dicks touching, maybe some oral, but ultimately nothing to cry ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRNGH about.

>>91421606
>Sal now tries to talk to her.
>*Smokescreen*
>Ambers gone

Watch it go down like that.

>>91425115
Haven't picked schools yet, a lot of it depends on who's willing to give me funding.

>>91438750
I don't want this to be true, but it probably is. Maybe we'll get another chance for resolution in 2 years.

>>91439313
>2 years

I don't think Willis could get away with that. R-Right....?

>>91439932
More like 1.8 if we're being honest.

>>91439932
Count the time between when Ryan disappeared from the party and showed up again at the rally. It was 5 years.

>>91440032
Yeah but these are two main characters though. So halting any development would I guess have more of a negative impact?

>>91440179
He's got enough main characters that he can have them appear constantly and never interact.

>>91440179
Joyce ping-pongs between her previous self and her current self. I don't think Willis is concerned about that.

>>91433915
I have studied psychology. Did is just bullshit my gal. If you're aware of the industry you'd know there's a vocal minority defeneding its validity and the rest either stay out of it or have a LOT of doubt about the theory of DID and a lot of concerns about the lack of data.

>>91432425
>>91433504
Partially yes, anecdotes aren't too important (sort of). The thrust of it was I wasn't sure whether the response was merely on a tangent to whatever the namefag was saying and- at the time of writing- it was very late at night and I didn't want to read a wall of text just to validate the relevance of a passing statement

>>91441132
It's definitely controversial. Right now, the evidence I have seen leads me to think it's more real than not. I'm sure a lot of people are lying about it, but I don't think it's 100% fake.

>>91441191
Here are the non-anecdote posts:
>>91423147
>>91423302
>>91423414
>>91423428
>>91423521
>>91423738
>>91423813
>>91423920
>>91424094

>>91421114
Oddly this looks slightly better then what we got...

>>91440843
This. Only twice have Danny and Joyce ever directly interacted over the past six-plus years of DoA.

>>91422944
>anal vore

like... unbirthing, but... unpooping?

>>91421114
This is especially important cause it showcases that Willis doesn't use his buffer well.

If he gets into a situation in that he completely fucked some work, yes he's more behind than usual, but the buffer means that he can go to sleep and try to make up the time on less complex strips. Was it really that important that he fix that strip by staying up until 8 AM? It's dumb shit that students pull in college mostly to learn that it isn't worth it except for extreme situations. It's not something I'd expect an adult and Dad to resort to.

He says his mind was shutting down, well congrats, this strip doesn't air for 3+ months. Take a break, switch over to a task your mind can handle, switch over to another strip that's less complex, go to sleep and start early tomorrow with a fresh head, etc. Use some of the leeway granted by your buffer to do better work! You hack.

>>91442258
Yep

>>91442394
Guess it shows Willis created a crazy huge buffer for all the wrong reasons...

>>91442245
Hell, Danny and Joe probably have less than 60 strips together and they share a room.

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>>91439932
>>91440022
>>91440179
It's been almost 3-1/2 years since the conflict was introduced. I think he's very willing and able to drag the drama out for another two years if he can't come up with any new ideas to take it's place.

>>91442258
>this guy probably doesn't know about cock vore

>>91444703
Is that an edit?

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>>91444788
Nope, his panel composition was just as bad then (if not worse) as it is now.

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>>91444703
>>91444858
But this one's my favorite of the early Amber/Sal strips just because of Amber's absolutely awful, retarded looking running away pose (also exactly three years ago to the day of tonight's Patreon strip publish date).

>>91444703
>>91444858
I've don't understand Amber's PTSD or whatever it is.
She was in the store while Sal robbed it, and that trauma gives her a split personality years later?
And if Ethan has known this the entire time, has he once tried to get her some therapy or any help at all?

>>91439932
Remember when Joyce visited home, maybe a week or two in universe? That was over a year ago, last February.

>>91445040
I think it was more the fact she stabbed Sal that traumatized her, and she stabbed her in an misguided attempt to protect Ethan and kinda because her dad was mean to her in the car outside or something.

>>91445040
She and Ethan and her dad were in the store when Sal attempted to rob it. Sal took Ethan hostage briefly.

Amber's dad, Blaine, egged Amber to do something because of how weak she is. So Amber stabbed Sal in the hand, even though Sal was already being reprimanded.

>>91444703
>>91444858
>>91444932
I can't take Amber seriously when she bounds away, arms shielding her head and face, eyes closed and teeth gritted. It's like she's trying to express some kind of emotion but is failing because she has no idea what to do with any part of her body.

>>91444858
No, I mean in panel 5 it looks like Sal has her pants off.

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>>91445623
Huh, never noticed that, but nope, not an edit. Here she is in the scene just before that strip. Same thing.

I guess Willis heard that black people wear their pants around their knees or something and just went with it.

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>>91445623
She's just wearing an extremely salacious outfit.

>>91445763
heheh, 'Sal'acious.

>>91445839
I wish I could say I meant to do that, but I'm happy with the result.

>>91445059
Yeah, and what an exciting romp THAT was....

Got about 30 minutes to kill before the new Patron strip.

What are the odds that we get some kind of Amber/Sal chase scene, likely with Amber making the same arm positions as in >>91444858 and >>91444932?

>>91446647
If Amber somehow weasels outta this and runs away again I'm gonna be disappointed

>>91445752
>>91445763
Wow, so the top her pants would be just barely cover her mons pubis and be only slightly above her cleft of Venus. Most of her ass would be showing.

>>91446647
I'd say it's about 50/50. He's got a year and a half before this gets as drawn out as Rapin' Ryan is now, so it's possible that he just strings the audience along again.
>>91446725
>I'm gonna be disappointed
Isn't that just the default reaction to almost any Willis comic?

>>91446725
Either Amber will run away and Sal will give chase, or Amber will run away and Sal will give chase only to be held back by Marcie.

>>91446778
Either that, or she has a very small vaginal system, no ass at all, and her underwear is actually some kind of sarong.

>>91445752
>>91445763
I still think these two have a cute dynamic in this universe. Danny and Ethan is great too, although I'm sure it'll be tainted after this dumb Mike diversion.

>>91446837
Sal confirmed for intersex.

>>91446886
DannyxEthanxSal is OT3.

>>91445763
man, Sal's eye-beetles are freaking out in panel 4

>>91446886
If we assume Danny to have remained Willis' more direct self-insert character during the Walkyverse era (Roomies to Shortpacked), then would it be logical to assume that Willis had jungle fever in his younger years, but settled for an angry bitch instead?

>>91446972
>Sal confirmed for intersex.
I was thinking more of weird biology than that.

>DannyxEthanxSal is OT3.
Danny/Ethan/Sal cucking Amber is better, though.

>>91446972
>DannyxEthanxSal is OT3
This would be quite good since Sal finds Ethan attractive too.

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Cop-out? Cute? Disappointing? Touching? Asinine?

Whatever this is, I'm just sick of Amber getting away with being a total shitlord. I think Becky has competition as Athiest God's favorite terrible person.

Also, where the hell was Sal keeping that DS?

>>91447581
>progeric motocross champion is befriended by small child

>>91447581
Looks like she has a bag. The question now is, where was that bag the whole time? It's clearly not strapped to her like a backpack.

Also, this is definitely a disappointing cop-out. Sal went after Amber with the intent to talk to her, and yet when she has the chance she just gives it up.

>>91447581
>They're gonna bound over Mario Kart

Ok Willis.... I'm game. Where we gonna go with this?

>>91447581
>Sal: I wanna talk to you Amber!
>*gets the chair*
>Sal: On second thought: Naa.

Great job Willis, way to build that scene up! /s

Updated the google doc dump for all your regrettable hunger for mike dong https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nPLf38VDiwnL4qk1aOyB2Tmmd0mg4j7GWqfjE1x-kis/edit

>>91447841
Oh shit, it's actually the new Slipshines.

New Slipshineanon is my favorite Slipshineanon.

>>91447841
who fucking asked for Willis to make porn of Amber's mom and Joe's dad? like what the fuck was he thinking when he made that

>>91447841
>>91447871
Any chance of getting these uploaded to some kind of off-site download site really quick? Turns out you can't save them directly from the Google Doc.

>>91447841
>>91447871
>>91447893
Actually, never mind, I figured something out. It's a bit tedious, but I can into Inspect via Chrome.

>>91447581
its cute, but sal leaving her alone has never stopped amber from reacting unreasonably before so i dont think this is very in character

also is that dannys ds

>>91447949
how many in universe days has Sal kept Danny's DS? also I really wish they'd fuck instead of DannyxAmber.

>>91448044
Danny wouldn't know what to do with a body that didn't resemble the snowman from Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer.

>>91448044
>>91447581
Sal has had Danny's DS for so long it's unfeasible that Danny wouldn't have a DSi, or 3DS.

>>91448044
i thought it was DannyxEthan now... oh wait that's never gonna happen because they decided that would make Amber feel bad

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>>91447581
what're those fucking things? I was under the impression they were some sort of chair? that doesn't look anything like any sort of furniture I've seen in my life. What is it's purpose?

>>91447841
Damn it. As I expected, no actual nudity in the Dorothy/Joyce picture.

>>91448115
>DSi or 3DS
Or a Switch, even.

I'll love when Willis decides to awkwardly and magically time-slide all the DSs into Switches because 'muh sliding time scale'..

>>91447581
Where did Ethan go?

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>>91447949
>>91448044
>>91448115
da ba dee da ba daa

>>91448103
god fucking damn it I wish I was good enough at art to do fan art of Danny fucking Sal. Or clever enough to come up with a quippy line for it

>>91448249
where the fuck is Sal getting money for this? her parents didn't seem like the kinds of people to buy her a motorcycle or a DS.

>>91447581
>Also, where the hell was Sal keeping that DS?
In her vagina. It's where she was reaching, and there was a bright light there.

>>91445763

While thong STRAPS are often seen, NOBODY exposes a thong THAT MUCH in public

>>91448151
they're actual chairs at the real campus right now. They're these weird super tall cube chairs used to help isolate students who want to study in private

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>>91448305
>bright light
What else is she keeping in there?

>>91448295
The obvious answer is that Sal's parents love her and provide for her. The Willis answer is "Fuck you."

Seriously though, the only way everything involving Sal makes sense is if her parents try their damnedest to care for her. Keeping her out of jail by sending her to a boarding school that would cost roughly a year's salary for the working class, paying for a motorcycle and presumably the expensive insurance that would accompany it, paying for her college education, they all clash hard with Sal's, and by extension what Willis wants his reader's, interpretation of their relationship.

>>91448449
pretty sure shes said at some point that she had a job and bought the motorcycle herself but i cant remember when that was

>>91448476
The university is all her parents though. They sweet talked Big Boss Tony into accepting both twins.

>>91447841
Whoa, I didn't realize this was getting the stuff! Cool, thanks anon!

Malaya: disappointing, and I'm into her. Is that Ken fucking her? I think that's his hair pubes.

Billie Ruth: looks worse than usual with these two. Billie does seem a bit more realistically proportioned, but it doesn't match with how she looks generally.

Sayid and uh..: Another pinup without much of titillation to look at unless you're really into how Willis draws the top third of a penis. Even the guy's butt is obscured.

AG n Danny:Weird faces. Pretty standard pose.

Dorothy Walky: Pretty good outside of the faces, Jesus. Dotty got that big round wet McMuffin.

Sierra: Pretty nice, dunno about the nipple situation though, looks like a layer issue.

Billie Ruth Hug: Cute concept, art is rushed. Ruth's glasses aren't filled, lots of spots of line work improperly coloured, the linework is really knobbly, facial lighting is bleeding off of her. I dunno if the others are as bad but it stood out here.

Dorothy Joyce: This one is good.

Sal: Also good.

Mike: Not really much comment on. I think he could put a little bit of a gradation on that penis colour boundary to make it look a little bit more natural. I get that the abrupt colour change is real, just make it a bit smoother.

Anyway, thanks again! I was so happy to see one of those Sarah panels I cropped at the end

>>91448580
it would be pretty bizarre of them to send walky to school and not sal, id assume they at least try to look like theyre unbiased

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>>91448295
Maybe she robbed a bunch of gas stations.

>>91448307
There was a brief period in time where people would wear blue jeans that had a fake blue-jean thong as part of it.

Pic related.

>>91447581
Did she ever change her ID on her 3DS/DS off of Amazi-Girl?

Can't really muster the effort to comment on anything else, I wish Ethan had still been there to lead into stuff with him.

>>91448615
Given that he was an honors student in high school he should have at least some form of scholarship. Having one would make his grade freakout have more impact. As it stands everything points to the Walkertons being upper middle class at the least if they can easily afford to send two children to college at the same time.

>>91448658
>no fucking pockets
Man, no wonder Sal keeps her DS in her mystery vagina bag. Lady clothes always have zero utility.

>>91448658
Nano rise jeans are a thing, but they're super niche fashion.

>>91447581
By itself it's cute, but Amber is a fucking psycho, and it seems like a cop-out if you consider their previous interactions.

>>91449029
It's leading up to an all-out mental brawl where Amazi-Girl kills Amber.

>>91447581
I'm gonna be a bit pedantic here and ask what 3DS game calls out when you have someone else connect to your game.

>>91449061
That would be a net gain.

Somebody should just tell Sal that she robbed Amber that one time, though Sal will doubtless be confused why Amber is traumatized since Sal was the person who got stabbed.

>>91449157
Probably Smash 3DS, though in actuality you would both need to own the game, unless one of you were game-sharing the multiplayer mode, which I don't recall if Smash 3DS allows you to do that.

>>91447841
Thank you! Thanks for shilling out the money and making my poor little obsessive-compulsive heart happy. At ease, soldier.

Also, the Malaya one looked weird, so I flipped it and added it to the end of the official ones in the Doc, right before Yoto's stuff.

>>91447883
I guess because they're one of the pairs that's got canon sexy times? I can't think of any other reason. Well, maybe someone has a fetish for sex in closets.

>>91448606
>Malaya: disappointing, and I'm into her. Is that Ken fucking her? I think that's his hair pubes.
Yeah, I think that's Ken. Malaya's proportions and everything look really... off.

>>91448606
>Sayid and uh..: Another pinup without much of titillation to look at unless you're really into how Willis draws the top third of a penis. Even the guy's butt is obscured.
Agreed. Super-boring.

>>91448606
>Sierra: Pretty nice
I'm really just wondering why she's walking through the hallways like that. Even Miss "I don't wear shoes" knows not to walk around topless. It's kinda funny that Grace and Mandy are doing Rock, Paper, Scissors to see who gets a crack at her first.

>>91448606
>I was so happy to see one of those Sarah panels I cropped at the end

It seemed appropriate! I'm glad you liked the placement.

>>91448727
>Lady clothes always have zero utility.
Accurate. Please make clothes so we can have more utility and variety.

>>91447581
>specifically goes after a privacy chair
>turns on fucking streetpass/local pvp

Fuck you, Sal.

Agoraphobe Anon here, I've come up with a fun game. It's called 'the last time I', and here's how it goes.

The past time I went to a hair salon, Carla got glue on their skates.

>>91450355
The last time I went to get groceries, Ruth broke up with Billie in the cereal aisle.

Am I doing this right?

>>91420963
>That analogy

Does crazy girl want have sex with Sal?

>>91450422
Perfectly, you got it.

The last time I held a dog that I had for over twenty years, Ruth was in Rehab.

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>>91447581

Wait okay so seriously, the fuck are those chairs?

No seriously who makes a chair like that. There's no arm rest, it's so close to the ground it's on the floor. It's basically a small cubical. Even if it's missing a cushion it would have to be thicker than a mattress.

EXPLAIN THOSE GODDAMN CHAIRS!

>>91450578
They're designed for privacy.

I don't see a Sal in the Google Doc...Where is the Sal you're all talking about?

>>91450601

You know what else is designed for privacy? STAYING THE FUCK HOME! That's stupid. Im not saying you're lying in fact the fact that they'er stupid is all the more proof that they're real. But they're fucking stupid.

>>91450629
The link is in the Doc
http://imgur.com/a/ERWVE

>>91450651
It's really hard to study and get peace in your own room if the other person is having sex and/or if some idiot is roller-skating in the hallway.

>>91448323
that sounds fucking awesome.

>>91448720

Wasn't Walky also making commercials? Maybe for once we have an example of stage parents responsibly investing their kids work into something that benefits their kids and Walky made at least enough to pay for college for both him and Sal. This is supplemented with scholarships earned from his honor student grades

>>91451409

So tell them to fuck off.

>>91450663
Absolutely nothing to see on the Joyce one. Awful.

>>91447841

Odd, I can't see the one for Sal

>>91447841

To be completely fair, I get the sense that Willy is actually attempting to improve his work, even experiment around a little, maybe even based on critique of his previous pinups.

That said, these are highly hit-or-miss, the ratio skewed heavily in favor of "miss".

Amusingly, and predictably, it seems his best work is either light girl-on-girl or solo posing, while his worst is anything involving actual sex, which, as ever, looks extremely painful.

4 u

>>91448249
>>91447581

Who the fuck even plays the DS anymore.

>>91448606
For a moment, I was going to say that Willis's pin-ups have gotten better since i stopped regularly checking in, but then I realized that Mike's eyes in his newest pic are doing the Becky thing with his hair. I will say that the Sierra one is pretty good. I think the nipple thing is just that they're pretty flat.

>>91450099
Considering how much of a hippie Sierra is and how that hall is, by Willis's depictions of it, completely empty unless something dramatic is happening, I don't blame her. The Grace/Mandy thing actually bugs me a little, because it's Willis exploiting lesbians yet again.

>>91453412
No, wait, I blew up the Sierra image to full screen, and the perspective's off on the hallway relative to Grace and Mandy, and the composition has this giant blank space in the upper-left where nothing's happening.

Goddammit, Willis, I took one class of art appreciation 6 fucking years ago. It should not be this easy to find ways to call your art shit.

>>91449230
Might be interesting for Amber to overhear a conversation like
>Why do you wear gloves all the time
>I made some bad decisions as a teenager and after I got arrested some crazy bitch stabbed me

>>91452008
that's HOMOPHOBIC.

>>91453412
>The Grace/Mandy thing actually bugs me a little, because it's Willis exploiting lesbians yet again.
True. It also raises a question of how far they go with her. Before, Sierra said they just make out with each other. But in this pic, it almost seems like they want to have sex with her.

>>91452990
All the cool people are still playing

>>91457413

Then why is Amber doing it?

>>91457438
All the cool people are still playing.

However, this does not mean all the people playing are still cool.

>>91455066
I can't remember: did Willis make this, or was it one of us?

>>91455066
>>91457956
>hate crime exception

This was probably one of us.

>>91447841
You're missing the Sal pinup! But thank you very very much anyways.

>>91447841

>DorothyXWalky: The interaction of W's hand on D's ass, D's tit on W's shoulder, and D's ass on W's leg seems wonky: too much or too little indentation and shit. Also, typical "Participents look like they're shrieking in pain" problem
>RuthXBilly: Cutesy and subtle, which is always better than the exaggerated, yowling coitus Willis seems to enjoy. Overall not too problematic.
>DorothyXJoyce: HNGH. Though overall far too cluttered and their tonguing looks like prolapsed anus. More Joyce nudity unnecessary but coveted.
>Sierra: Again, subtle > horrible coitus. Blondie has a weird ass though.
>Sal: Points for subtlety once more. However, the groin lines are particularly overemphasized, and that's an awful hand
>BillieXRuth: Ruth's tit on Billie's back looks off. Otherwise I don't mind this.
>MalayaXGuy: What was Willy drinking when he though he should turn this upside down, because I need it. Otherwise, no real comment.
>AmberXDanny: God, what is this. More painful coitus. What the hell's even going on here, it's cluttered as fuck. Those eyes are awful. Didn't Amber have pubes?

>>91460815
The indentation on Malaya's legs is disturbing, too. I'm sure he thought he was being ~creative~ when he turned her upside-down.

>>91458204
I also think it was a parody of that nonsense bait tweet of "girl code vs guy code"

>>91462637
Oh no. I'm afraid to ask, but what was that?

>>91456547

Yeah. So?

>>91463098
I saw it a while ago, but on the left it had guy code: a simple function, like isgreater(int a, int b) (or something like that) with no comments, and lots of useless pointers, dereferencing and straight-up hexadecimal operations.
The "girl code" side was written just like that Carla code pic; overly commented (as in, explaining one-or-two-operation lines), and the comments were extremely cutesy.

The image was of course screencapped from twitter and posted on boards it had no business being on, being a perfect thread derailer whenever gender issues came up.

>>91463328
So, guys=messy, girls=clean? Nice to see we're still working with gender stereotypes from the fucking 80s.

>>91452906
>>91459220
see
>>91450663

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>>91463773
>>91459220
>>91452906
>>91450629
Added it to the Doc. Lazy bums.

>>91464120
Might wanna delete that pic, docfriend.

>>91464242
I live on the wild side. Is it okay to post ponies because I am a girl?

>>91464585
People will tell you it's not okay because you'll summon him, but he makes those posts himself, and the real one has been dead for a while.
It is never okay to post ponies under any circumstances, though.

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>>91464120
Please don't get banned, friend.

I used it because it was the best "rolling eyes" GIF I have.

Thank you for the concern, friends. I shall purge it from this earth.

>>91464690
>him
What? Who?

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>>91464912
It won't let me delete a "post this old."

Where's the porn?

>>91460815
>More Joyce nudity unnecessary but coveted.
nonsense. there is nothing I need more than this.

>>91465272

What about Dina nudes?

>>91465526
>>91465272
Guys, guys, guys, what about DinaxJoyce nudes?

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>joyce lewds
>lewds of anyone

>>91465666
Oh yes, Satan, there will be lewds. Pick two characters and a fetish.

>>91465819
characters: becky / dina
fetish: holding hands

>>91465655

Honestly if Willy doesn't end the comic with Joyce Becky and Dina getting together in a polyamorous relationship than he's not a true Progressive and still clings to problematic toxic "traditional" values like "monogamy".

>>91465819

>Joyce
>Dina
>Impregnation

>>91465666
>>91465819

The trip magic will only work with an evil ship here.

It can't be anything other than Joyce and Ryan.
Fetish: Missionary for the sole purpose of reproduction

Some commentary I found on Joyce and her shipping:

>Joyce, on the other hand, gets on my nerves on an industrial scale when she's like this, because she's trying to impose her fantasies on the universe and treating other people as pieces in her pathetic "romantic" game. That actually evil, just coated in pink sugar. Her only excuse is that she was brought up on fantasies - just a slightly different flavour than this.

My favorite part is that it's "actually evil, just coated in pink sugar"

>>91422944
Dumbing of Persona would have the obligatory end boss of debating God-Willis and punching Him in the junk.

The cast would have to make some tough decisions to support or not support God-Willis to keep his favor.

>>91465819
Characters: Joyce, Mary
Fetish: Dom/sub

>>91465819
Characters: Sarah, Billie
Fetish?: Smaller person (Billie) overpowering/bullying bigger person (Sarah).

>>91466225
You and me, anon. We're of a kind.

Domme!Mary is best Mary.

>>91466173
do we have drawfriends in this thread that would make a WILLIS-NO-OKAMI?

>>91466420
You and I have very different ideas about who should be the domme in that pair, anon.

>>91466048
>Some commentary I found on Joyce and her shipping:
From?

>>91466740

TvTropes

>>91465956
https://pastebin.com/kVmVn2wN

There you go.

>>91465973
This might take awhile, but I'm up for a challenge.

>>91465819
Sal/Becky
Exhibitionism

>>91466854

>This might take awhile, but I'm up for a challenge.

Are you an angel?

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>>91466423
>>91466173
"I am a shadow ... The true self ... What do you guys think you're doing? Trying to defend the 'real' me? Then you're gonna pay the price!"

>>91466016
>>91466225
>>91466397
>>91466860
Goddamn it, I have shit to do tonight. You might not get some of these until tomorrow.

>>91466463
Well, now we're enemies.

>>91467284
They could take turns. Everybody loves switches

>>91464690
>It is never okay to post ponies under any circumstances, though.

It's 2017 and you people are STILL butthurt over MLP? Wew.

>>91467625
It's a global rule that could be deprecated without any ill effect, really.

But it's less so us and more... Well, you know.

>>91467625
No one really seems butthurt here. I've been an /mlp/ poster since before the actual inception of the board, but rules are rules for a reason, m8.

Ponyposting causes more derailment and chaos than good discussion and all that.

>>91465666
Is that a reaction image or an example of their faces?

>>91469162
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/04-walking-with-dina/item/

>>91466854
Noice

>>91447581
Predictions for tonight?

Scene swap?
We actually see Sal and Amber bonding?
Sal and Amber finally fight?
Danny interrupts and Amber flips out?
Some other random person interrupts?

>>91471803
I think Willis did what he wanted to do with the chair scene, even if it was complete shit at every turn.

I'd put good money on a scene change.

We'll see the outcome of the Sal/Amber bonding in a few weeks, but we'll never see the bonding itself because complex character development is hard to write when you have kids, man.

>>91471803
>Some other random person interrupts?
This. I'm sure that Marcie is going to come by any minute now.

>>91471803
scene swap
and the thrilling conclusion to the sal/amber moment will be a single sentence 6 months from now

>>91467625
>>91467718
>>91467952
I want to say that the board has moved on enough that letting the pony-lovers out of their containment board would be fine, but then again, considering how the board reacts to single episodes of Steven Universe and Samurai Jack, I'm probably wrong.

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>>91473789
are you implying that /samurai/ posters need a containment board?

>>91473883
Judging by the sperg session that spawned from [AS]'s April Fool's gag, maybe.

>>91472289
I wonder how secure the dorms are. Do they have to use a key to get in? Or a ID? Can Marcie even come in without someone opening the door from the inside?

>>91473883
I would actually like a divide between the shitposting side of /co/ and the discussion side of /co/. Of course, asking 4chan to be less terrible is like asking a hyena to change its spots: it'll respond to you with bemusement and laughter before biting your face off.

Anyways, to get things back on topic, who would you date from the DoA cast, purely based on personality?

>>91474618
mike

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Game of Thro---erm, uh, I mean, Scene Change!

Howard's autism and Billie's obliviousness clash once more tonight, as Willis misspells "Oberyn Martell" despite having three goddamn months to edit his strips.

>>91474675
I thought Howie couldn't watch GoT at home.

>>91474618

Joyce. I feel like she'd be the character who would improve the most if you took her away from the DoA setting/cast and Willis' sulky worldview.

>>91474675

What is the POINT of Howard? Seriously? "Look at how dumb young, horny male nerds are"? What does this add to the story that makes Willis keep hitting the same goddamn joke over and over again?

>>91474675
>I watched a "football" once.
Oh my god, Willis has taken Howard and outright Flanderized him into a horny toad.

You were AT a goddamn football game!

>>91474675
>Billie saying she's not a lesbian
>Howie hates sports
Retreads on top of retreads.

>>91474675
Willis really loves his "straight with an exception" bullshit, doesn't he?

>>91474741
Honestly, there's stereotyping and then there's strawmanning and then there's this.

Comic Book Guy and Professor Frink look like balanced portrayals of geeks and nerds compared to this guy.

>>91474705
>expecting willis to care about minor details like that

>>91474741
Maybe he's making a joke for once. Hard to tell.

>>91474776
shes bisexual, anon

>>91474675
It's telling that Willis--Transformers nerd incarnate--is so piss-poor a writer that he pounds overdone nerd-tropes like "a football" into the ground with the subtlety of a fucking mechanical pile-driver.

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>>91474749
The retread in question

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>>91474749
>>91474925
And for completeness' sake.

>>91474618
I kind of want to date Dina.

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Can we stop this SPOILERS over-sensitivity shit, please? I mean as a mass-media consuming culture? The episode aired in the summer of '14. Where is the cutoff where we say that people should watch something or just risk being spoiled.

Can I say that Verbal is Kaiser Soze? Can I say that it was Mills's wife's head in the box? Oberyn Martell is killed by The Mountain. Oh, and Snape kills Dumbledore.

>>91475239
The correct answer is to not give a shit about what happens in Game of Thrones.

Seriously though, two weeks after something premiers should be the cutoff for general spoilers.

>>91474898
why doesn't she just say so?

>>91475239
I mean, I dislike the show and would like to not know things that could affect my enjoyment of book 6 (yeah I know it's never coming out, whatever), but overall it's so fucking easy not to be a dick about spoilers.

because this 'mass-media consuming culture' is fucking impossible to keep with unless you are literally, actually crazy. I wanted to wait a couple of days to watch Samurai Jack and shit about the latest episode with spoilers in the names and images kept showing up on my youtube related crap hours after it aired. It's fucking ridiculous.

>>91475318
because Willis doesn't believe in bisexuals, and doesn't want to taint his characters like that.

>>91475318
Willis doesn't like using specific terminology.

Same reason why Dina and Amber's respective mental issues (neurodivergence? whatever) never get a name

>>91474675
As much as this comic is nothing, this strip is exceptionally nothing. I'm pissed he thought there was any amount of substance in it.

>>91475394
Dina is neurodivergent, which is more or less codeword for "autistic." Amber simply has mental issues.

>>91475356
>a couple of days
Yeah, that's annoying, but after a couple of weeks, I think it's the spoiler-avoider's burden and not everybody else's. I am more annoyed at myself when I see a spoiler of something I haven't watched in months than I am at the person who said it.

I used Kaiser Soze as an example because I was SCREAMED at by my friend's girlfriend a couple of years ago because we were talking about The Usual Suspects, and I said that "spoiler" for a 20 year old film.

>>91475318
If bisexuals are to be believed, it's because of "bi-erasure", or the tendency for people to overlook bisexuality as a distinct sexuality.

But bisexuals also claim to be a triple oppressed master race who are superior to pathetic monosexuals yet more scared to come out of the closet than anyone else. That way they can have more victim points, deny contradictory statistics, and still be smug about their sexuality all at the same time.

>>91466463
>Oh, Mary. You've been acting VERY unworthy of God's love. But it's okay, I'll help you be born again.
>Better for you to face the pain now than in the eternal fires of damnation.

>>91475318
It seems like she doesn't know bisexuals exists.

And I GUESS that's realistic since some people seem to not know those exists too

>>91475877
Not saying bisexuals are a master race or anything, but there are certainly gays who will shit on bisexuals as not being a valid sexuality, and then the bis get lumped in with the gays that hate them by religious bigots.

It's just as stupid as transsexuals who shit all over transvestites.

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>>91475877
It's more that they're either dismissed as not choosy and will sleep with whoever, or traitors to The Cause because they can pass as straight or gay, depending on the environment.

>>91476000
We're like unicorns or pegasus

>>91476000
There isn't a public college student alive in America who doesn't know what bisexual is. It's not like Billie is a sheltered Christian like Joyce and Becky.

>>91476457
There is often, however, a weird misconception that to be bi you have to be split 50/50 in attraction. So maybe Billie's line of thinking is "Well I only liked one girl in high school and one girl now..."

>>91476484
That's fair, it just doesn't seem like something Billie would get hung up on or be that ignorant about. And it doesn't tie into the story in any way. What's the point of making Billie act cagey about her sexuality?

It's kinda funny how these people have very all-consuming interests in slightly dated pop culture. Game of Thrones has been airing for ages and Pokemon Go as a fad fell into decline after the media made a big deal about it then moved on.

It's very "this is what kids today like right?" of the author.

>>91476598
Billie could have some low-key issues with being open about her sexuality to herself. She is a bundle of self-image issues.

>>91476798
Willis likes to make topical remarks in his comics. Willis also writes his stories 3 months in advance. Willis is not a smart man.

>>91476598
In a well-written comic, the fact that she's used the same phrasing to deflect it both times would hint there's going to be some sort of character arc around it. But in DoA Chloe did the same sort of exact repeated phrasing about the former Ra being...disciplined, so maybe Willis either forgot he wrote it that way before or is convinced it sounds deep/cool.

>>91476821
There is that. Given the kinda shitty crowd she hung around in high school, she could have the "girl-on-girl is to give dudes a boner" idea and not know how to reconcile it with her current...well, not loving, but monogamous relationship.

>>91476598
she also said at some point that she thinks "everyone tries it eventually" which is a pretty typical bisexual-who-doesnt-want-to-admit-theyre-not-straight line

>>91476798
Most people don't trend whore consistently, but it's mostly Willis inserting what he thinks "nerds" would like even though Pokemon Go and GoT are basic bitch-tier pop culture. It's pretty fucking telling that we know next to nothing about what kinds of music the cast listens to or what kinds of movies they like.

>>91476882
Also pretty typical is this strip's "well everyone has these kind of thoughts, it's normal" line.

>>91476914

Well we know Leslie likes Star Wars TFA and Steven Universe.

>>91476914
We know Mary likes anime

>>91476936
As far as personal interests go Leslie is probably the most concrete with a solid interest in sci-fi, everyone else gets one or two things they focus on.

>>91476975
We know she draws in an anime style, I don't think there has ever been a mention of any actual series or shows she likes.

>>91477036
I'd imagine she'd be crazy about Eva since it's like a mad-lib of Judeo-Christian symbolism nonsense.

>>91477095
I'd imagine she'd be into Hellsing.

She really liked JoJo until it became popular.

>>91476914
Now that I think about it, that's another area where QC excels in. I think of any of the characters, and I know exactly how a night of hanging out with them will go.

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>>91477124
But Willis wouldn't have heard about Jojo until the anime started coming out.

>>91477208
We exactly how a night of hanging out with Sal would go, drinking shitty beer and passive-aggressiveness.

>>91477215
Sliding timescale. Plus JoJo would have been known to weebs long before the current series began airing.

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>>91474730
Good choice. You'd have to talk her into getting some therapy and you'd have the worst mother-in law, but it could work.

>>91475102
It will be a constant struggle to achieve mutual understanding, but she will be loyal and always have a dinosaur pun for the occasion

>>91474651
There is no saving you.

As for me, I'd pick Sarah, because of pic related.

>>91477095
>crazy about Eva
Nah, cause Willis is super into Eva and there's no way he'd give that up to The Hated One.

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>>91474675
His name is Oberyn not Overyn.

He can't even get references right.

>>91477215
this is probably still my least disliked strip of this entire series