Now that Marvel has finally seen the light, do you think we'll

>>91410420
It's like they're trying to make what he says sound evil because he's the Red Skull, but everything he is saying is 100% true.

Fuck, I too wish conservatives had a voice in comics that wasn't the bad guy.

>>91410570
Hell yeah it's all true.

>>91410420
no fuck off /pol

>>91410570
It's not what he's saying that you're supposed to disagree with. You're supposed to disagree with him because he's only saying it to manipulate the masses into joining Hydra. Red Skull simply doesn't give a shit about what he's talking about.

>>91410420
USAgent is pretty conservative

>>91410570
>It's like they're trying to make what he says sound evil because he's the Red Skull
Exactly. Want to convince the readers that those who disagree with you are evil? Slap your opponent's point of view onto a villain (or even better, a literal nazi) and bang! your side win all discussions (in your mind, of course)

Pretty sure that hannity comic is what you're looking for if you want your fox news jerkoff comic, grandpa.

>>91410646

I would agree with your post if not for the fact that at roughly the same time as this comic we got the new Captain America defending illegal immigrants from getting deported by racist conservative vigilantes and Female Captain America beating up a literal Trump MODOK

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>>91410420

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>>91410632
Make me.

>I've had an idea for a long time for an Antifa "hero"
You mean the 4 months they've been prevalent in America?

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>"We want more conservative heroes!"
>DC brings back Icon
>"wtf is this forced diversity bullshit"

>>91411280
Anon that's been the entire year....

>>91411336
>4 months is a long time

>>91410692

Yes, while you may be able to speculate about the politics of other characters, Marvel has a grand total of one openly-Conservative superhero.

And US Agent doesn't even get to be the Representation Character who gets to be the star of his own story most of the time, he's usually used in the role of a jerk that other superheroes don't like.

>>91410420
>real representation to American and Christian conservative values
God, I hope not.

>>91410420
No thanks, Chad.

>>91410420
>muh Christian values
Bannon I know losing your job is tough but that's no reason to shitpost on /co/.

>>91410420
>Now that Marvel has finally seen the light
Lol, no they didn't.

Flip the script: What are the biggest, highest profile most current Christian conservatives in the big 2?

Hawkman is famously conservative, but isn't christian.

Punisher is as lapsed as a catholic as it gets.

Daredevil is catholic, but fairly left.

Dr Midnite is catholic, but I don't know his politics.

Icon is a Booker T washington conservative, but not christian.


>>91410692
He's not in any ongoings, right? I vaguely remember him in Spenser's captain falcon, I think he was supposed to be the designated retard.

>I've had an idea for a long time for an Antifa
Flag Smasher is a globalistic socialist. He's the kind of guy who would be attacking border controls in europe with millitants, to help refugees flood in.

>>91410741
What part of this would the Red Skull not say if he was written by a moderate?

Seriously, people have been screaming and bitching about this page because they're butthurt that views they have are being said by a nazi, but this is exactly the shit that a manipulative nazi mastermind would say.

If he just made some generic "Grrr fuck the sand niggers" speech people would be bitching about the character being shallow or their own views being oversimplified. But by making an actually compelling argument Red Skull manages to stay in character.

> B-but I don't like my viewpoint being shared with a nazi!

Well that's on you motherfucker, but the sad fact is a lot of actual god damn neo nazis would look at what he just said and agree with it. Instead of whining about it sit down think, realize why you're currently laying in an ideological bed with nazis and if you still agree with your position after that then think of a way to express why your feelings are valid anyway if you even care to. You don't have to. But let's stop pretending that this is out of character for the Red Skull and he'd be pro-immigration instead.

Honestly? We might see a surplus in Jewish super heroes and Christian super heroes after the fiasco with X-Men Gold.

>>91410831
>defending illegal immigrants from getting deported by racist conservative vigilantes
>deported
Except those "conservative vigilantes" were the ones leading the illegals into the country in the first place as part of a scheme to sell them to Doctor Malus as test subjects for his illegal animal splicing surgery. Sam wasn't "defending illegal immigrants from getting deported," he was investigating a human trafficking ring.

Don't believe every out of context page you read on /pol/, anon.

>>91411632
Your pivot here is in the wrong direction. A supervillian equivalent of say, Bernie Sanders would be more a more appropriate mirror.

Marvel actually HAS done this sort of thing in the past, making Magneto's positions overlap Malcom X, but the current political environment there is far more extreme than is was now. I don't expect to see marvel have the Brotherhood do a "mutant lives matter" thing to even the level we see BLM in reality.

>>91411632

Firstly, there's the problem that it's just one example in Spencer's Captain America comics, of him taking mainstream-Conservative viewpoints, and having Evil Extremist villains like the Red Skull, the Sons of the Serpent, or Hydra Captain America voice them.

People aren't angry because they think "the Red Skull would never say something like this to manipulate people", they're angry because the comic is saying that "if you agree with this guy, you're a Nazi villain who deserves to be punched".

Secondly, the Red Skull isn't just using this rhetoric to recruit followers, the next pages show he's recruiting suicide bombers. Because that's a thing that White, Right-Wing extremists have ever actually done. Meanwhile, Marvel are too craven to actually address the types of extremists who really do blow themselves up, because that would be racist.

>>91411533
>I think he was supposed to be the designated retard

Spencer treated USAgent pretty fairly. He disagreed with Sam's politics, but the only reason they fought is because he thought Sam was starting shit with the police when Sam was actually trying to calm everything down. He even ended up telling the politicians who convinced him to do it to fuck off for trying to use him for their agenda.

>>91411922
> of him taking mainstream-Conservative viewpoints, and having Evil Extremist villains like the Red Skull, the Sons of the Serpent, or Hydra Captain America voice them.

But if those mainstream conservative viewpoints are in character for those villains are you forbidden from writing about them because they'll hurt conservative sensibilities? Having these viewpoints come from a realistic place makes the characters have actual motivations instead of being flat caricatures like the red skulls WWII origins

> Because that's a thing that White, Right-Wing extremists have ever actually done

Fair, but let's be real, Right-Wing extremist do exist and have their paramilitary camps and militia groups. If our country was in the same state as most Muslim nations I don't really see them being above a suicide bombing if that thought it would have effect. And if they replaced the suicide bombing with a normal bombing or shooting, things that right wing extremist have done in the past, would people be any less upset about it?

>>91410420

As someone who lives in the Danger Zone of Europe, what Red Skull is saying is true. But still, it's the Red Skull. The guy likes being a Nazi. So, yeah, he has a point, but I ain't giving Skullie a thumbs up.

However, yes, I'd like to see more conservative heroes turn up. It's why Doom's my fave. He ain't got time for that "I live in a world of magic and gods, I have met Capital G God, but nah, I'm an atheist 'cause my Flat Earth Atheist Trope". Doom's based. Doom's a man of science, magic AND art.

All hail God DOOM.

>>91411310
If anything they bring back Icon but make him more SJW than Green Arrow because any black person that doesn't go blue is an Uncle Tom in their eyes. Worse would be that they bring him back full moderate conservative but turn him into a villain or the brunt for an SJW diatribe about him not being truly black and just a tool for white oppression or bullshit like that. Shit I can hear Dwayne rolling in his grave at the sheer mention of this tomfuckery.

>>91412261

The way to do this would be to balance it out by having someone in the comic who agrees with those viewpoints, but not with the villain's methods.

The exact kind of thing Spencer did with Flag Smasher, where both Captain Americas, Steve and Sam, and Rick Jones, weren't disagreeing with his views, only his methods.

And the extremists who blow themselves up aren't doing so for political ideology alone, there are religious/cultural elements present that just don't exist amongst Western Right-Wing extremists, who don't think they're going to get rewarded with a harem of virgins in the afterlife if they martyr themselves. If it was a bombing or a shooting, it would at least feel possible and plausible.

But doing a lot of "Right-Wing terrorism" stories and Nazi villains like these things are major, widespread threats, while refusing to address Jihadi terrorism or even acknowledge it, is just cowardly.

>>91410420
>facism is good now
jesus christ what the fuck is in those red pills, lead?

>>91411632
wow /co/mblr is real

>>91410420
>Now that Marvel has finally seen the light, do you think we'll start seeing books giving real representation to American and Christian conservative values?

Whoa, they just simply stated diversity wasn't doing it, they didn't denounce entirely liberal views let alone side with their opps just yet.

That's a bit of a leap, you're hoping for too much.

>>91412892
>The way to do this would be to balance it out by having someone in the comic who agrees with those viewpoints, but not with the villain's methods.
u.s. agent?

>>91410420
I don't know man. Marvel has always been on the left when it came to things. More or less just moderate left.

No.

At the very least we go back to them writing stories and not aiming at the liberal demographic. Like possible before all this shit started. WHich will be pretty neat.

>>91413105

Yes, having US Agent be in those stories to counter-balance the villains could have worked. When the Captain America comics did extreme Right-Wing villains in the 1980s and 1990s, it was a militia group called The Watchdogs, and every time they showed up, US Agent was also in the same story, to agree with their views, but not with killing people over those views.

It would probably help if Marvel had more than just the one Conservative superhero, and if people within the comics industry didn't get blacklisted for expressing any Conservative beliefs or opinions, which has done more than anything to turn Marvel, more so than DC, into a Left-Wing echo-chamber that can't conceive that anyone could hold views different to their own. Either balance things out, or avoid politics entirely.

>>91413402
I like to think the contradictions are intentional on Spencer's part. As others have mentioned, Skull doesn't believe a fucking word he says, and just uses it to manipulate idiots into following him.

>>91410420
>people actually listen to this known war criminal and burn ward escapee

what did they mean by this

Lets be real for a second though, the same people that would get mad over spend a good part of the day making jokes throwing commies from helicopters.

They are retards and probably don't have opinions worth listening to.

>>91411310
Shitskins aren't conservative.

>>91414485
Yes they are. More of them voted to get rid of gay marraige than white people

>>91413402
And yet a bunch of people are triggered because they find what Red Skull are saying is perfectly reasonable, and cry "comblr" whenever someone points out how dumb that is.