This is why today's male youth are irreversibly fucked up.

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>>91344180

>>91344180
>This is why
no, this is a symptom.

>>91344180

That would imply that any children watch this show. They're all watching TTGO! and Gumball.

Steven Universe audience consists of 40% autistic waifufag neckbeards, 50% tumblr legbeard fangirls, and maybe 9% actual kids, leaving one percent open as a margin for error for any other viewer that doesn't fit into one of those three categories.

Steven isn't a character male youth look up to, he's a character girl youth look down at because he's obsese and "cute", a value they will look for in their beta orbiters in the future

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>>91344180
Today's male youth are being ruined by other forces besides dumb cartoons no one except mentally unstable adults watch.

>>91344192
Galactic Pretty Boy is actually pretty cool
>>91344180
This however is pretty fucking gay.
Usually when a boy is dressed as girl in certain cartoons it's for comedic effect, this is however pandering

>>91344198
>symptom
Seconded.

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>>91344180
It says a lot when the show with a male lead who enjoys wearing dresses and ballet shoes isn't even close to the gayest thing in cartoons.

>>91344221
>Usually when a boy is dressed as girl in certain cartoons it's for comedic effect, this is however pandering
SU tried to be funny by doing this but SU has shit humor and falls victim to poe's law a whole bunch

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This is too emasculating.

>>91344180
>show made by a girl

>>91344210
This. My niece and nephew don't really like SU, nor do their friends. They love gumball and TTG. Really it's adult fags watching SU, Star, and other faggy shows.

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>>91344180

How old are you? Because if you think boys dressing up as girls in cartoons is what is ruining kids today, you must be really underage.

>>91344273
Wow look at this fucking agenda, how is this allowed?!

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>>91344180
That and how easy it is to simulate sex with porn. Who else started at 12?

>>91344267
It's because of kids youth that ttg exist as a pile of shit

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>>91344257
>So irresistible that girls sneak into his bathroom to watch him shower
Marco is my favorite harem MC

>>91344180
I wouldn't say it's the only reason, but it certainly isn't helping.

>>91344273
>>91344277
Actually comedy, not gender confusing agenda. Fact

>>91344180
Because OP won't stop shitposting?

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Lincoln is the best male role model for kids right now. He wasted no time in getting that spicy spic taco. What has Steven done with Connie lately?

God I can't stand Steven. The show wouldn't be as bad with out that fat little retard.

>>91344267

Girls like Star vs. But yeah, as a school librarian I have yet to see any type of SU merch. It seems like the only people that like it are the ones that are aware of the gay/relationship stuff.

The truth is, SU is neither funny or exciting, so it doesn't attract kids who are only into comedy or action.

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>>91344341
>any show I don't like has an EVUL AGENDA and is going to DESTROY THE WORLD

Go back to /pol/ with the other drama queens.

>>91344392
>sexual dimorphism is fake and men and women are the same on the inside just like they are on the outside
wait no

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>all male characters in SU bang regularly
>greg needs to beat pussy off with a stick
>/pol/ still complains because gay magic space rocks

>>91344396
Wouldn't it be great if you had arguments?

Man, that would be so cool.

>>91344355
>Lincoln is the best male role model for kids right now
No cartoon character is a "good role model" nor should they be. Cartoons are just about fun shit, whether it involves crossdressing or not.

If you're looking for role models in cartoons, regardless of your gender or the characters' genders, you did something wrong or your parents did something wrong or both.

>>91344180
I would say that porn is the reason a lot of young men are fucked in the head, and definitely the reason so many lonely, sexist young men lick their sores on 4chan.

>>91344180
Now if you could explain why every previous generation's males were fucked up too.

>>91344355
You spelled Optimus wrong

>>91344406
... you have the burden of proof you dumb piece of shit.

Do you understand how arguments work?

>>91344412
>I would say that porn is the reason a lot of young men are fucked in the head
This is the most retarded thing I've read in a long time.

I bet you also think girls don't look at porn.

>and definitely the reason so many lonely, sexist young men lick their sores on 4chan.
If you think sexists don't get laid you really need to dial back the idealism and spend some time in the real world.

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>>91344180
Why is Steven so damn ugly? Cartoon guys in dress usually look cute/attractive but he looks like shit

>>91344450
>implying girls aren't fucked in the head as well.

>>91344453
SU is SJW fap material that's why

>>91344406
You first.

>>91344455
Exactly. Humans are naturally fucked up and demonizing technology, art, porn, etc. won't change that because humans have been fucked up forever.

>>91344431

Only redditors from r/T_D act all smug with their 'not an argument' after spewing bullshit with no sources and at best a 30 minute long youtube video.

>>91344233
My favorite part about that overall is how the man is the best princess

bad enough that people like traps, now these kids are gonna like FAT traps.

>>91344470
>Humans are naturally fucked up

>>91344453
He's not ugly, though. I don't personally find him attractive but the artstyle makes everyone so simplistic and cute that I'm sure you're only calling him ugly because he's fat and has curly hair.

Trust me, REAL fat jewfro guys are ugly. Steven's just a cutesy cartoon character. I mean you're posting a picture of a blue cat person with a mouth that looks like a mustache and somehow consider that cuter?

>>91344497
>you're only calling him ugly because he's fat and has curly hair.
those two factors combined are plenty enough to call someone ugly.

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Who on the crewniverse thought kids want to see this?

>>91344210

I don't know why we didn't /thread right here desu

>>91344492
They are. Not trying to be *hits blunt so deep* here, it's pretty obvious when comparing us to other creatures that we're really ridiculous and fucked up.

>>91344517
Smokey quarts is a fucking shit character.

>>91344497
>>91344512
Maybe it's a personal preference but I think curly hair can be plenty cute, just not in the case of Steven, who is not cute

>>91344512
But not being a blue cat person with a mustache?

>>91344512
>would rather fuck a cat than a fat person
>/co/

>>91344233
THe best example

>>91344221
>Usually when a boy is dressed as girl in certain cartoons it's for comedic effect, this is however pandering
It was used as a joke though. That was the whole point.

>>91344544
He was forced into that though

>>91344341

It was supposed to be funny in SU, but the writers can't write comedy for shit.

>>91344548
How is it a joke when everyone in the show responded with "Yep, that's something Steven would do"

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>>91344497
> the artstyle makes everyone so simplistic and cute
>simplistic and cute
Pic related is simplistic and CUTE. Even Jack is simplistic and CUTE. SU characters are not cute looking

>you're posting a picture of a blue cat person with a mouth that looks like a mustache and somehow consider that cuter?
Yes, Gumball characters are way cuter that SU characters.

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>>91344419
He said right now and so far we got an absent Optimus in cartoons and a corrupted one in the fifth.

>>91344180
That's a good g̶o̶y̶ OP, you've nailed the cause of your deteriorating society! Make sure to spend your spare time fighting the sjw menace on tweeter, that's how we'll win.

>>91344355
>What has Steven done with Connie lately?

Have steamy interspecies sex?

>>91344180
its a combo of
porn made boys not care about girls
and
no one cares about boys

among other things

>>91344535
>>91344542

it too far from human to be considered cute or ugly.

with steven imagining a real life morbidly obese midget with a jew fro is easy and anything you imagine will be ugly.

the transition from walking cat person to regular human is too different for you to make the immediate jump and you have no point of reference to say whether or not it is cute. but your mental image doesn't make you gag, so it's not ugly.

>>91344553
he still gets paid like 800 dollars a month for being an inspirational princess since the jail break.

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>>91344220
>author is a woman
Opinion discarded.

>>91344571
fug the cat

>>91344180
I blame white males for not making a better show to set a better example

>>91344525

>it's pretty obvious when comparing us to other creatures

Yeah, because animals never do fucked up shit. Just look at dolphins, they're extremely intelligent and bully, rape and murder others for fun.

>>91344406
>thinks "X is just a joke BUT Y IS AN EVIL AGENDA BECAUSE I SAID SO" is an argument
>thinks he can call other people out for dismissing his nonargument out of hand

>>91344567

Just because the other characters don't react in a negative way doesn't mean it wasn't meant to be funny. In the Pokemon anime, James crossdresses and does faggot shit all the time and nobody cares or even comments on it, yet it's still clearly meant to be funny.

>>91344567
Its literally making fun of steven being feminine you overlly sensitive retard

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>>91344542
>would rather fuck a ugly fat retard than a hot cat person
SUfags are insane

>>91344598
>making money off of fake femininity

Star vs is redpilled as fuck

>>91344597
The mental gymnastics are strong with this one.

>>91344571
oblong eye pupil blue cat > circle eye pupil blue cat

I'd fuck Gumball. I'd never fuck Steven. He isn't attractive at all.

>>91344612
You're only strengthening my point that the more intelligent an animal is the more fucked up they are.

>>91344267
Of course they would, they never air SU.

>>91344643
Not even an SUfag. I hate the show, along with pretty much everything else on primetime CN.

Just saying you're hypocritical when you say something's cute because it's been cartoonified, (like furries,) but turn around and say another cartoonified thing is ugly because you imagine it as the real thing.

That's some very selective suspension of disbelief.

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>>91344497
>>91344658
>Gumball is ugly and disgusting.
>STEVEN IS CUTE
Yeah, mental gymnastics.

>>91344571
We get it you're a furry. This isn't 2007, you can just admit it and barely get made fun of anymore.

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>>91344654
toys sell

>>91344696
Now you're being a hypocrite AND strawmanning. Can't you put up a real argument? If not, what purpose do your replies serve?

>>91344672

I thought your point was that humans do fucked up shit compared to other species, not that intelligence increases their fucked up factor.

>>91344697
Nah brah, a cat with an ego is infinitely more entertaining than a chubby space rock kid.

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>>91344410
>No cartoon character is a "good role model" nor should they be.

Guess i'll play devil's advocate here and somewhat repeat what's already been said earlier in the thread.

This scene was an attempt at comedy but it wasn't executed too well. That and the typical….progressive….climate of the show leads to a lot of implications.

But implying that the modern climate of cartoons is contributing to a change in political views rather than these cartoons being a product of society's changing views is kinda retarded. As said before it's a symptom of change rather than a cause.

>>91344654
It really is though

>>91344192
See, now THAT'S fabulous.

>>91344180
Cause and effect. Specifically, you are describing the effect. The cause: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen.

>>91344517
The staff don't think in kids, they only think in tumblr

>>91344714
My point is both. That A: We're more fucked up than other species, and B: It's because we have more shit going on in our heads.

I guess I didn't mention much about B but I thought it would be implied well enough. My bad.

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>>91344688
>hypocritical
Anon, this is ugly.

>>91344525
i dont know compared to other creature we're not that fucked up.
there is a sea slug thats anus starts at the back of its body then as it gets older it slowly rises up its back untill its anus is on its forehead

>>91344716
And now this is about entertainment value? Quit moving the goalposts.

I don't find either show more entertaining than the other. I just find it funny that people can only suspend their disbelief for very specific cute simple symbol characters and not others. They're all drawn with circles and shit, they're not realistic. Why does everyone imagine Steven as a real fat jew kid but not Gumball as a real blue cat?

It makes no sense. It's all just bias because SU makes /co/ angrier.

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>>91344355
>best male role model
>only has one girlfriend

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>>91344753
So is this.

>>91344767
Cats are cute no matter what. Fat kids are usually ugly

>>91344759
>implying humans won't be having surgery to move their anuses to their foreheads by 2030.

>>91344553
He explicitly refused to take the dress off for the rest of the evening.
Marco does what Marco wants.

>>91344801
Sounds like an indian thing.

>>91344605
This,
If you dont want to watch a girly show then dont watch a show made by a girl!

>>91344180
what kind of thin skinned gender do you even have yo have that something as insignificant as this fucks over your whole norm?

>>91344605
I can't even tell what's supposed to be ironic or not on this site anymore.

Honest question, what's the "actual" problem with men in dresses? It's just a long piece of fabric with an open bottom end.
Why was this a thing that was declared inappropriate to begin with?

>>91344410
>No cartoon character is a "good role model" nor should they be.
That's not a world I want to live in, thankfully I don't have to.

>>91344842
Just SU's attempt at comedy, which other shows like Looney Toons, Gumball and Star VS have done far better.

It doesn't help that half the episode was a Sadie mommy issue.

>>91344842
>Honest question, what's the "actual" problem with men in dresses?
there are no dresses designed with men in mind, dresses are therefore gay.

>>91344180
If this is what makes you say that, anime must make you think that all men are being turned into females

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>>91344879
Not all men, just Japanese men :^)

>>91344210
Gumball's episode The Dress is probably the single most un-PC episode of any Western kids cartoon made this decade. It pretty much explains girls to boys.

>>91344842

The outrage makes even less sense considering that men wore dress-like clothes before the invention of pants.

>>91344658
No, that's actually a pretty simple explanation. Looks like your mind needs to go to the gym.

>>91344842
Is this you first time on Earth? It's called gender norms. Humans cling to physical and cultural sexual dimorphism to prove they are fit male/female or that they are capable of meeting gender expectations respectively.

>>91344833
Human. You've probably never heard of them.

>>91344892
Further proof that Gumball canonically looks like Nicole to everyone in the cartoon

>>91344767
Because if you did that Gumball would still be cuter, you idiot.

>>91344809
I want to make Marco into my princess desu

>>91344842
>Honest question, what's the "actual" problem with men in dresses?
There isn't one. It just triggers neckbeards and conservatives because they want all men to be manly for reasons I can't comprehend beyond them all being closet gay whereas people who love traps are at least usually open about it.

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>>91344481
>>91344544
Kill yourselves.

>>91344180
No male youth has been fucked since the early 90's, but it's certainly not helping.

>>91344912
I know you thought that was really clever and you couldn't wait to use it the second you saw someone say "mental gymnastics" but next time save it for when you're not defending a retard.

>>91344842
Dresses became women's wear only for reasons that aren't entirely clear. It's socially inappropriate to wear one because it emphasizes a femininity that, as a man, you do not have. This leaves a random person to make one of three conclusions. 1.) You have a mental illness, and don't understand the social mores you're violating or don't believe you're violating them. 2.) You're making a political statement. 3.) You're publicly displaying a paraphilia.

>>91344976
There's nothing wrong with male youth.
It's older men that are out to set humanity back and avoid all progress whatsoever.

>>91344180
this is the reason im not going to let my children grow up watching cartoon network
nothing but parental control software and plenty of time outside for them

>>91344960
yep that is the only reason, they're secretly gay.

Robes, kilts, and other non-pants clothing are fine, I think. And honestly I don't have a problem with cross dressers as long as they don't suck the fun out of it by taking themselves too seriously.

But >>91344919
is right for what the attitude comes from. A society decides what's desireable for men and women and lots of men and women adhere to that because of the endless demands of the mommy and daddy dance. If you think women aren't immune to suddenly going "oh you're unmasculine well BYE." you don't know enough women.

>>91344995
Luckily you're shitposting on 4chan so we all know you'll never have actual kids to fuck up with your insecure sheltering. :^)

>>91344842
>>91344960
Steven Universe chose this fate
By being drastically left leaning and not even attempting to be neutral, it's going to get the attention of the drastic right leaning people

It would be the same thing if the opposite happened, whatever the opposite example would be

>>91344688
It's not hypocritical, it's not being a delusional idiot. Of course that a cat is cuter than a fat retard!

You have no right to call others on being hypocrites when you claim to not be a SU fan despite defending it to such a stupid degree.

>>91345009
>If you think women aren't immune to suddenly going "oh you're unmasculine well BYE." you don't know enough women.
When the fuck did I say that?

You're really grasping at straws here.

This whole thread is full of the most childish attempts at discussion and argument I've ever seen.

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>SUfags defend this

>>91345028
That's pilot Steven.

>>91345028
>>SUfags defend this
no that's gross.

>>91344992
Quality post.

>kids don't watch this
>normies don't watch this

>only tumblr and autistic neckbeard waifufags watch it

Why hasn't this shit show been cancelled yet?

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>>91345015
>whatever the opposite example would be
There isn't any because hyper-right-leaning people don't usually care about and/or demonize art, media and technology.

>>91344979
Your lack of self-awareness is amazing.

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>>91344654
>Girls are just as lustful as boys, if not even moreso
>Pursuing a crush creates an unhealthy relationship doomed to fail unless you can treat the other person as an equal
>Trying to be a "strong, independent warrior princess" will lead you to failure if you can't acknowledge your personal failings and accept the support of others
>Even though Mewmans explicitly committed genocide against monsters, monsters are not justified now in seeking revenge or recompense for atrocities committed hundreds of years ago
>Honesty is not an inherently good thing, and people in positions of power will lie to the people dependent on them to maintain their prestige and keep the public complacent

And most importantly
>Traps are not gay, and having feminine interests as a boy does not make you a "trans girl," any more than having masculine interests as a girl makes them a "trans boy"

>>91345016
Stop. You're perceiving a neutral party as defending the thing you don't like simply because they aren't helping you attack it. It's childish.

You're like people that think South Park is their political ally and not simply a purely neutral entity that makes fun of the unreasonable idiocy of every side.

It just so happens that in a SU hate thread that when someone points out how stupid you're being that you assume they're defending it and not, in fact, just pointing out how stupid you're being.

>>91345015
>drastically left leaning
Post proofs.

>>91345043
This is the same fandom that harassed an autistic artist into suicide because they drew a character thinner than they appeared in the show.
If CN canceled SU their offices would be firebombed.

>>91344994
so you'd rather have kids rule the world?
im sorry but i happen to like vegatables and an early night

>>91345098
I actually think that's what Steven looks like if the cartoon went IRL.

>>91345059
What else do expect people to believe when you claim that a fat retard is cuter than a cat? You are being called an idiot because YOU ARE AN IDIOT whether you truly like Steven Universe or not.

>>91345060
Do I really need to? The main character is basically a "sissy" male archetype, who seems to be a fat jew, while all the strong characters in the show are girls and it also has lesbians

Which of these values do you consider to be right leaning?

>>91345058
You know that last one feels the least important compared to the moral and philosophical question of the noble lie.

>>91345058
Great now I keep seeing Nicolo's portrait as Toffee.

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>>91344992
>it emphasizes a femininity that, as a man, you do not have.
Define femininity as an objectively possessible trait.

You have two minutes, go.

>>91345176
fat natty tits on a person who has a healthy weight

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>>91345157
I'm just teasing people who unironically push the "Marco is trans" shit despite there being absolutely no basis in the character
It seems like there'd be a few in this thread

>>91345176
I don't have to, femininity demonstrably exists as a product of broad social consensus.

>>91344782
this is how i imagine everyone looking like every time they "REEEEEEEEEEEE"

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>>91345194
>Not even mentioning a vagina
>And only mentioning things you can get on hormone treatment
YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD

>>91345241
>hormone treatment is natty

>>91344180
You never dressed as a girl when you were a kid, for fun?
Were you already living in your basement or smth?

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>>91345235
>I don't have to I just assume everyone agrees with me

>>91345243
More natural than plastic surgery sure.

>>91345249
no, and frankly neither did anyone else at my school or neighborhood because the gays were so obnoxious they were like picketsigns for us guys to never associate with them in elementary.

Wish I could TURN BACK TIIIIIME
To the GOOD OLD DAAAAAYS

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>>91344992
Nigga, you gay. I would wear the fuck out of a kilt if it were popular.

>>91345259
>non-natty things are natty because they have a slightly different artificial process than other non-natty things

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>>91344180

and this!

>>91344642
Wait, so if they make an episode of Garnet being quiet all episode, it suddenly is a joke on Garnet being quiet? I don't think you know how jokes work, man.

>>91345268
?
I guess it's a generation thing.
Me and my cousins + a nephew did it when we were like 10-12.
I'm straight, married, so is one of my cousin and my nephew has a kid.
But good thread!

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>>91345280
It's just consuming medicine. It's as "artificial" as alcohol, or tylenol, or bottled water.

>>91344941
And that Nicole looks feminine, rather than it being that Nicole is so masculine she looks like her son.

Or its a fucking joke, I don't even know.

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>>91344688
>>91344767
>because you imagine it as the real thing.
Here is the real thing. "Steven" and "Gumball". Who is the ugly one?

>>91344180
well yeah, I mean this just pushes the idea fo gender politics too soon for kids.

>>91345259
Not everyone, just most of society. I mean, you can go into any store and look at magazine and book covers to see that masculinity and femininity have clear trends and markers. Hell, sit in a park and watch people or observe the way children act and style themselves and you'll see the same. There's no clear dividing line in the same way no one can clearly point out where not-porn becomes porn, but virtually every mentally healthy person can give a 'standard' example of their culture's masculine or feminine ideas.

>>91345301
More like a location thing than generation. I never knew respectable fags until I reached highschool, and then by college was the only time people did cross dressing for shits and giggles without becoming a social outcast.

>>91344198
spbp

>>91345314
So did they fug?
>>91345313
it's just a joke, referencing old Gumball threads where people would request lewd pics of "gumball with eyelashes"

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>>91345320
>It's just obvious!
>I can't define it but it's just SO obvious!
Wow all this bullshit just to deny the existence of feminine penises.

>>91345279
A kilt is not a dress. Go ahead and call a Scot in a kilt a cross-dresser and tell me how many teeth he punches down your throat.

>>91345340
I don't know why I read this whole post in a scottish accent.

>>91345340
a kilt is a skirt for men, it was made for men in mind, ergo it is not gay.

>>91345176
>>91345259
The first thing they do is clarify that it's mostly a social construct and yes, anyone who is not an antisocial idiot can tell you what being femenine means in their society.

>>91345340
'Nother quality post.

>>91345322
But this has literally nothing to do with fags
Heck, fags were still hiding at the time, and I don't even think I KNEW what fags were.
It's just your retarded generation sperging over nothing IMO.
And stop comparing degenerates doing it past 20 to 'send a message' or to get accepted or whatever reasons they use, and fucking kids having fun.
Stop projecting your fears so hard, closet faggot.

>>91344404
>all male characters in SU bang regularly
>greg needs to beat pussy off with a stick
What

>>91345334
I know you think that's an argument, but it really isn't. I suppose you'll continue to be confused why people find violating basic social norms unsettling. Perhaps it's autism?

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>>91345370
>The first thing they do is clarify that it's mostly a social construct
So, Tumblr bullshit, basically.

>>91345376
wat

I was just telling that the fags I knew were horrible people during childhood and they were the reason why no one crossdressed for fun at the time, or for any reason since no one really thought about crossdressing as fun. Well, you maybe at home.

>>91345249
I can honestly say no.

>>91345249
>>91345301
Idk, when I was a kid I had one cousin who was kinda feminine and would put on makeup and his moms high heels and things like that, she encouraged it cause it was cute (I'm 27, he's only a couple years younger)

As a kid always thought he was gay, till he had gone on so long I figured he just wasn't...until he came out of the closet in the past few years. I'm only saying this because it isn't as simple as being a "generation thing", I'm not the anon you were talking to before.

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>>91345390
>I know you think that's an argument
It is.
I ask for a definition, and you dance around it with bullshit.
In fact you dismantled your own argument by basically admitting it is a perceptive thing, not a trait that is possessed by anyone. As long as someone is perceived to be feminine, they are feminine, regardless of their actual sex.
You want to talk "arguments" but you can't even fulfil the very basics of defending your own position, asking me to take you seriously is asking for too much.

>>91345298
That actually sounds pretty funny but I bet SU's writers would somehow ruin such a simple joke.

>>91345011
except im uneducated and poor remember? that makes me 6 times more likely to have kids than you

>>91345334
I hope for your sake that you are just trolling.

>>91345088
Right, except that it wasn't by fans of the show, it wasn't over a drawing, it wasn't online, and she didn't kill herself.

In other words, it's a lie in every way that matters, but it's a convenient lie for bullies who like to use it to justify harassment of people who disagree with them, because it serves as an example of how everyone who's not on their side is an evil monster who is guilty of verbal murder. One would think that it would serve better as an example of the evils of bullying, because that's supposedly the entire reason that it was such a tragedy, but the bullies who spread that story don't actually give a fuck about human lives. They don't like to admit that people being hurt by words is even a thing that happens unless it fits their propaganda.

>>91345426
I'm glad we live in an age we're we can shit on SU freely.
Trump made America great again.

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>>91345455
>Oh no I can't address his argument
>If I pretend it's done to annoy me I can ignore it!

>>>autism

It wouldn't annoy you if you had an actual defense for your position.

>>91345424
Here's the thing, it is a matter of perception - COLLECTIVE perception. You can't give one satisfactory definition of honor, or justice, but these concepts still exist despite that. If you understood basic social cues, you'd understand masculinity and femininity, but apparently you don't. I mean, you might argue that you want to redefine them, but you're not doing a very convincing job, lol.

>>91345396
Follow the conversation, idiot.

>>91345058
that image, KEK

>>91345485
Different person. I'm the one calling you autistic. Your inability to conceive of more tha one 'other' disagreeing with you is just another red flag.

>>91344325
literal sexual harassment and nobody said a thing? huh

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>>91345498
>Here's the thing, it is a matter of perception - COLLECTIVE perception.
Well if that's the case you're already wrong by saying "Men can't possess femininity" because collective society has already identified and happily call men feminine, ie David Bowie, Ru Paul, metrosexuality, etc. In fact a significant portion of our culture is dedicated to acknowledging femininity in men. You just decided to deny that because you want to believe you could nip the logical conclusion of that train of thought- men full on crossdressing- as something fundamentally impossible, but the logic you used to reach that is false at its very premise in the first place.

>old man yells at cloud

>>91345357
#MenCanBeGayToo

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>>91345522
I never actually said you were the same person, I just said you are annoyed because you can't address the argument.

But keep knocking down those strawmen buddy.

>>91345424
They gave you the right definition, you're the one who sees and speaks bullshit. Your mind is obviously too twisted to be able to reason properly. Adios.

inb4: the "I win because you quit" idiot victory dance

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>>91345467
What the fuck are you on about

>>91345588
>They gave you the right definition
Wrong. I asked for a definition of feminity that is objectively possessible, since that's the context he was using it in. He gave me a definition where it is a subjective perception.

>>91344601
Hopefully you're joking because she's a very smart lady.

>>91344775
This image scares the fuck out of me.
Their eyes staring at you in all angles like a demented Mona Lisa, and a forced smile suggesting sadistic motives under their facade.

>>91345558
Point, a man can possess feminine traits, I'll allow that that is true. But when such a person crossdresses, they're enhancing and emphasizing that feminine trait set, if they have it.

Come to think of it, this is probably part of why Princess Marco is well-received but dress Steven is controversial. Or, more seriously, why non-passing transsexuals face much more hostility and suspicion from both sexes.

Really, this just reinforces the point I initially made, that overlaying the feminine on the masculine (rather than empasizing the feminine and using cross dressing to enhance that) meets with social suspicion or confusion.

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>>91345535
Just a little good-natured ass-slapping banter
It's not like she's tying him up to have her way with him or anything, that would be totally-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y63Dh7eR-Ys

>>91345607
>Notice they're both staring at you while Marco's clearly not.

Ok yeah I can see what you're seeing.

>>91345586
Projecting? I've been nothing but calm this entire time.

>>91344192
who's the qt?

>>91345535
nope because it was funny

>>91345605
>women
>smart

>>91345602
women arn't objects you cis piece of shit

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>>91345627
>Really, this just reinforces the point I initially made
Well actually it contradicts it completely since your original point was about locking feminity out of men as a whole ("emphasizes a femininity that, as a man, you do not have" being the exact phrase).

But thanks for acknowledging that men can in fact possess femininity.

I tried writing that in a non-cunty way but it keeps coming out like that, so I doubled down on it instead. Sorry.

>>91345685
Not them, but that's because you're clearly a cunt.

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>>91345639
Nah you're pissed off, you should dunk your head in cold water so you'd stop being such a raging autist.

>>91345680
They're my personal onaholes and onaholes are objects, therefore women are objects, quid quo pro.

>>91344842
>reductionist arguments
kill yourself my man

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>>91345698
Sorry.
Not sorry.

>>91345701
I'm sorry, but this is getting downright farcical. You should try to remember you're on 4chan and not get so personally invested.

>>91345598
>the REAL 4chan moved to 8chn because these nu-mods are SJWs who banned me because I kept spamming "ngger" in every thread
This post starts out pretty cringe.

Also is that list of 4chan's good deeds true? I've been here 75% of forever and I haven't heard of most of those things.

Overall good post worth saving.

Someone post the /pol/ screencaps.
The Dean screencaps, specifically.

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>>91345737
>I'm sorry, but this is getting downright farcical.
More like downright FART-SICAL ha ha faggot.

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>>91345627
The funny thing is, even though Marco's a canon pretty boy with some very feminine interests and some deep insecurities, he's still far more masculine than most boys in cartoons these days.

>>91345685
Just jumping in here, but the phrasing "a femininity" doesn't suggest a blanket rejection of the idea that men can possess any feminine qualities, the way that simply saying "femininity" would.
It seems like you're the one misrepresenting the argument, though the other anon should be more clear.

>>91345737
The problem is that they AREN'T personally invested. They don't really have anything to say or defend, they just want to shitpost.

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>>91345766
>Just jumping in here, but the phrasing "a femininity" doesn't suggest a blanket rejection of the idea that men can possess any feminine qualities, the way that simply saying "femininity" would.
That's a generous interpretation but it doesn't fit the context of the post since it was about all men engaging in the wear of dresses, rather than certain men lacking a specific feminine trait that makes it inappropriate for them to wear dresses.

>>91345047
LOL okay.

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>Jack todays male youth are turning into sissy boys due to all male cartoon characters being girlyboys
>Hold my sword

>>91345766
They should've said "femeninity men shouldn't exhibit" if they wanted to avoid trouble.

>>91345845
Yeah, no. You should've understood the context.. Hell, you DID but you clearly just wanted to argue for no good reason like the cunt you are.

>>91345598
Just posting logic and fact. Bullies seem to get really angry at those for some reason. Maybe because their self-righteousness depends on demonizing victims while pretending that the harm they themselves cause is something that literally can't happen.

>>91345749
I personally remember about half, and she missed some too (4chan has done a 'save a birthday' "raid" more than once, and caught quite a number of paedophiles. /pol/ triangulated a daesh position and sent the data to Russia, who bombed the site and killed a number of their fighters).

4chan is irreverent and often mean, but not evil.

>>91345914
>Yeah, no. You should've understood the context.. Hell, you DID but you clearly just wanted to argue for no good reason like the cunt you are.
Wow you're so mad that you have to pretend the whole post is different just to call me a cunt lol. Get over it dumbo.

Even worse than the premise of this thread is the idea that OP interacts with children for long enough periods of time to notice paradigm shifts between their behavior and how he perceives himself as having acted during childhood

I dont want you near kids OP

>>91345749
i know the ww2 vet thing is real because i sent him a card

>>91344567
And the next line was:
"At least this year he's wearing clothes."
Implying he does shit infront of a crowd a lot and this is not the worst of it.
Remember when he had a temporal paradox band? Or when he fought a fry costume with his pants while nude on the boulevard?
Or when he runs around town being physically one with his girlfriend to become the worst possible jail bait?
You know, the kind that turns from a young adult into two children of rich people with alien warriors at their beck and call.

>>91346003
I wouldn't want anyone from 4chan near kids.

>>91345749
>I've been here 75% of forever
>>thinks 4chan mods are reasonable
>>doesn't recognize those deeds
Doubt it.

>>91345961
As long as you ignore the 4chan users who bully people into suicide for fun, give people bad advice in hopes that they'll kill themselves, et cetera. But if people acknowledged that, they'd have to admit that they're just individual assholes and not part of an anonymous legion, which would mean they couldn't take credit for epic raids of epic awesomeness that they didn't participate in.

Of course, it would also be unfair to accuse any random 4chan user of being guilty by association of the abusive and illegal actions of another random user they've never heard of. Which apparently doesn't stop bullies from bringing the controversy of the week to prove that fans of something they don't like are evil murderous subhuman abominations who must be bullied off the face of the planet.

>>91344654
Christ. At this rate Marco's gonna grow up to become a speedrunner or develop a proprietary emulator

>>91346061
I'm from 4chan and I don't wanna be near kids.

>>91345535
Man up

>>91346112
4chan doesn't pretend to be good people would be the difference.

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>>91346138
No, he has a girlfriend.

>>91346201
A number. When he's in the mood, he's the girlfriend.

A regular renaissance man, that Marco.

>>91344355
Steven fused with Connie a bunch of time, which is the gem equivalent of sex

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>>91346112
>getting this upset about stupid internet drama
Kill yourself, my man.

>>91344180

Why do people think sexuality is some kind of virus? All that can happen is that people who were usually keeping it in to avoid ridicule can now be themselves. It's not like it's fucking biological warfare. People aren't even asking to be recognized for being special, they just don't wanna be treated like shit. They want to have hobbies, interests, hold a job, and generally be productive members of society. Good enough for me. And if anyone tries to overstep that boundary or aggressively push for representation that interferes with individual visions for TV shows instead of making their own, then yes, I will and have put my foot down over that, I'm not co-signing that kind of silly bullshit.

And if you're worried about the cross-dressing, Bugs Bunny. It's classic cartoon stuff.

If you can wear a dress as a man without giving a fuck, isn't that manly?

>>91345058
Marco is trans. Remember that one second he looked at his hands in confusion when Star said they were "boy hands"? That pretty much confirmed he was trans, there's no other way to interpret this scene.

>>91346112
>thinks people seriously hid behind muh legion to pretend they individually were good people
Hello /co/mblr

>>91346240
There's a manly way to wear a dress, and there's a faggot way of wearing a dress.

>>91346239
Pride parades tell otherwise, faggot.

>>91345047

Hitler was an artist

The thing is that right wing-approved art tends to be generally acceptable to everyone by displaying universal moral values, or by concealing other values such as self-reliance, leadership and discipline in ways that create attractive characters people like without thinking about it. Most action heroes are conservative wet dreams but liberals love them too.

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Japanese girls (male) will always be superior.

>>91346239
because memes act like viruses and being a faggot is one of the most deadly.
it's best not to expose children to them early before they have an immune system developed

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>>91346239
>Why do people think sexuality is some kind of virus?
Because sexuality and gender identity is developed and propagated through socialization, and seeing other people act a certain way does in fact make you more likely to also act that way.
Normalization is a real thing in social behavior.

>>91346239
They shouldn't be treated like they're normal, they should just be treated, cause it's an illness.

>>91344842
As a non-American, I don't get it, either.
It's literally among the oldest jokes in the book.
The fucking Edda did it. As a joke. For Vikings and berserkers.
Bugs Bunny did it. As a joke for industry workers and street urchins.
Monty Python did it. As a joke for stiff-upper-lip Brits.
My own father did it. As a joke for drunken villagers.
It always worked. But now we have these faggots who get bitter because they can't wear pretty dresses without getting laughed out of the room.

>>91346285
>draw a girl
>call it a boy
I'M MAD!

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>>91346316
Maybe you just need to sit down and relax.

>>91346196
They do that pretty much all the time. They've got a massive hero complex, like they're the Chosen Ones fighting monsters who embody all that is evil, when they're really just bullying people whose opinions offend them. And whenever their attacks have visible consequences, they double down and ridicule their victims for being hurt by "nothing" while still demonizing those same victims for allegedly committing the same horrible deeds they're dismissing as nothing, even when their victims didn't actually do anything of the sort and are being targeted simply for their political opinions.

>>91346328
>still drew a girl and called it a dude
STILL MAD!

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>>91346347
Please, anon, don't make a scene, you're scaring the guests.

>>91346334
i think you're confusing 4chan with anonymous

>>91346283
There is no manly way to wear a dress. It's only acceptable if you're a boy. One you become a man you put away childish things.

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Let's post good role models in cartoons.

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>>91346416
I agree

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>>91346416

>>91346381
The only group I'm talking about is the group that does things like going into a thread for a cartoon he doesn't like, and bringing up some random controversy as an excuse to start a political hate frenzy towards people on the "wrong side" (or wrong site).

It's very telling that those stories are preached almost exclusively in threads for a certain cartoon, and never as an example of the dangers of bullying.

>>91346313
You and everyone else who took that question seriously are missing the point: it's not just WHAT but WHY and HOW. Chuck Jones does not advocate for queerness (AFAIK) despite having made jokes with Bugs Bunny in drag. Jokes that were clearly just a joke, there is a difference in context and execution.

>>91344601
Don't be the Return of Kings guy.

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>>91346393
Oh yeah?

>>91346086
>finds it hard to believe that anyone spends a significant amount of their time on 4chan boards that aren't /s4s/ and therefore aren't keeping a running tally of meta 4chan news
>implying a lot of non-/co/ boards wouldn't be significantly improved by more moderation
I'm at a loss of words because I'm trying not to call you stupid.

>>91344325
>harem MC

Your containment board is here >>/a/

>>91346286

Isn't the point of having strong children in exposing them to where they can get sick? Don't children get sent to have sleepovers with other kids with the chicken pox so they can get it and build an immunity to it later in life? And daycare centers, those are filthy, but kids do much better after being in there, as well as being outside. The exposure strengthens the immune systems. As opposed to the completely effective methods of the past of just trying to "ignore" it only for some people to still be gay, anyway, regardless of how strict the punishments were or how frowned upon it was by society at that time.

>>91344180
yeah pretty much agree
when the mainly advertized shows on cn refuse to show masculinity in males or even make masculihe men (like that bearded wankstain of a strawman in the ppg reboot) as the antagonists, and then they shove this gay shit down their throats kids will sadly hang on to the only thing they've been given

LGBTBBQ'S aim as to right now seems to be the complete emasculation of males on earth
which is pretty fucked up

>>91346316
The popularity of the trap fetish is largely a meme. An artist draws a girl, calls it a boy, anons fap to it, and then act like they are having an existential crisis because they must be gay.

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>>91344180
>it's another thread cherry picking this one part again

>>91346291
this desu.

>>91346500
Many of those were done before /s4s/ and /co/ is a CLEAR example of how harmful excessive and biased moderation can be, you stupid newfag.

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>>91346500
>a lot of non-/co/ boards would be significantly improved by more moderation
Self-moderation does more good for a board than any number of mods ever could.

>>91344192
the difference is that this anime character is not dressed as a drag and yet the transformation sequence doesn't look too girly

>>91344180
Well there is a difference between being "sensitive" and being a fucking pussy.

>>91344273
I love Bugs Bunny because of his cross dressing shenanigans.He gives no fucks about gender norms or conventional sexuality.

>>91346544
But the best part about traps is that they're boys and have a cute penis instead of an ugly roastbeef demon hole. Traps are definitely gay because girls can't be cute.

>>91344601
She shits on most feminists, idiot.

>>91346537

>videogames don't cause people to become violent, the media overexaggerates the power the medium has, it's ultimately up to the parents to help kids be good people

>DUUUUUUDE WHY IS THIS GAY STUFF ON TV, THIS MEDIA IS TOO POWERFUL AND CORRUPTIVE, MY PARENTING CAN'T COMPETE WITH AN ELEVEN MINUTE CARTOON, FUCK

Which one is it, fucker. Fatties complain about the same thing, saying they're the ones who get to decide if they're beautiful or not, then they blubber like pansies when an ad comes out that even slightly suggests that life is more fun when you can run around actually do shit and aren't fat.

Mods. Delete these threads

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>>91346582
I like to think that too, but that's a hard perspective to maintain when every time you say that you get three replies telling you to kill yourself.

>>91346573
>be here 10 years
>YOU STUPID NEWFAG
>mfw

>>91346573
>/co/ is a CLEAR example of how harmful excessive and biased moderation can be, you stupid newfag.
Except that's what I just fucking implied by taking exception to /co/. Again, you are being stupid. The fact that you are being stupid and so proudly stupid that you are being rude about it just compounds how offensive you are to the senses.

Take a break and drink a coffee or something, because goddam.

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>>91344192
>Comparing GINGA BISHOUNEN to this fat fag
Neck yourself falmamalam.

>>91346595
>boo hoo, why won't you buy my favorite book
Fuck off.

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>>91346629
Getting three replies telling you to kill yourself would be a good example of effective self-moderation, if you had said something stupid and outed yourself as a stupid faggot who needs to lurk moar.
The problem is once a board crosses certain thresholds it's almost impossible for it to recover and the new blood starts running the asylum with their shitty wrong opinions and degenerate behaviors.

>>91346592
Anal is gross. I'd rather have a girl (boy) but drawn as a girl with a hole designed for fucking, one that lubricates itself and isn't full of literal shit.

>>91346446
Isn't he a dick to his son

>>91344404
More like the only healthy pairing in the show are adult heterosexual couples.

>>91346692
>tell anons to self moderate
>kys kys kys
>haha, we sure showed that newfag for telling us to self moderate, this is why self moderation works
???

>>91346666
>I'm a retard who won't read something that I'd agree with because the author is a woman.

>>91344601
Sommers absolutely loathes third wave feminism. She's on par with people like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson on how hated she is in liberal campuses.

>>91346616
you little stupid wanker.
children do not identify with violence in videogames, they just like it

children DO identify with different media characters and if they can't they change to be more like them.
it's the reason the creator of el tigre and that other stupid cunt (i think it was the person behind the ppg reboot) had that talk on diversity in cartoons, there are real fucking agendas in these shows (for as much as i do like el tigre) and some creators go as far as to confirm this themselves

>>91346560
Over and over until this generation of anons die out or move on while a new batch with reformed ideas move in to shit up the board some other way.

>>91346727
Women are always wrong. FUck off you fucking shill.

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>>91345058
Fixed

>>91346623
Ask again in 4 years

>>91346761
Chill, brother. Your parents can't hurt you here.

>>91346487
>*blocks your path*

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>>91346616
Grand Theft Auto doesn't make kids shoot up schools, anime doesn't make people molest kids, and Steven Universe doesn't turn kids gay. On their own.
However, asocial culture and absentee parenting have greatly increased the relative influence of these things on people, especially children who are being socialized not through interacting with their peers, but by watching YouTube and television.
Lack of real human interaction is leading to a generation who has been socialized to think the appropriate social response to something unusual happening is exaggerated screaming like a retard, and to use terms like "mineral of color" instead of "rock people."

The creator's intentions, any "agenda" being pushed, is irrelevant to this end result because it's caused by a greater failure of our society as a whole.

>>91346715
The point was getting that kind of response means the board is already too far gone.

>>91345389
>>greg needs to beat pussy off with a stick
>What
>I DON'T ACTUALLY WATCH THE SHOW PLZ SPOONFEED ME SO I CAN BITCH ABOUT IT
Literally every human in The Zoo who wasn't his son wanted to ride his rock cock.

>>91346487
fucking red haired feminists

PICK A DIFFRENT COLOUR FOR ONCE!!

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Are you kidding OP?

>>91344290
YO!

I didn't even know what hentai was man, I just wanted to get in tune with Sailor Moon cuz that cartoon has got the boom anime babes they make me think the wrong thing.

>>91346761
Okay either a troll or some sort of delusional conspiracy nut.

If someone isn't telling you to buy something how are they shilling? It's not like you have to pay for a book.

>>91346823
Call in an airstrike.

>>91346824
>The point was getting that kind of response means the board is already too far gone.
I didn't get that message at all, but I agree with it. Maybe not /co/ though because moderation is keeping it in check, but other boards sure. /v/ especially is a hell hole in need of some vengeful and capricious mods. /tv/ just needs a single mod who isn't blind to delete all the blacked and pedo threads.

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>>91346316
I don't know exactly what's with this character design that avoids this.
Like, from the moment he first appeared I was like, "Yeah, this is a dude".
Gatchaman Crowds is fun, it's got better messages than most liberal media.

>>91346299
So is the common cold, and we all have it. 100% of us.

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>>91344180
Remember when crossdressing was used for comedy?
Bugs Bunny sure remembers that.
When I saw that crossdress scene in SU I just laughed myself to death. That's what you are suppose to do

>>91346850
I-It's just ess jay dubyas trying to turn me gay!

>>91346777
check'd and kek'd

>>91344410

>Cartoons are just about fun shit

The media we consume shapes our minds. Fun shit which shapes the minds of children to become destructive to themselves and society should be condemned. Whether it's intentional or accidental.

>>91346524
That's not how evolution, immunity, or memetics work. It's better to keep children in an environment free of parasites and other things taxing on their immune system so they can better use that energy for other things. Human susceptibility to memes is our unique advantage and reducing it would be maladaptive. Specific susceptibility is either impossible or would require eugenics. Thus it's our responsibility to control the memes present in culture ourselves.

>>91346970
and the worst thing is that it's intentional.

>>91346931
I laugh at trannies in real life too

It's the only proper response

>>91346970
You're like some sort of puritan or something? Or one of those people that takes Family Guy seriously and get upset in youtube comments.
It's just a fucking cartoon, if you seriously let your entire life be molded by the media you consume you're seriously kind of a messed up person.

>>91347022
>if you seriously let your entire life be molded by the media you consume you're seriously kind of a messed up person.
t. underage
it happens subconsciously.

>>91346824
>Media doesn't magically flip a switch, but it does influence people.
Right. I'm glad someone else realizes-
>That's why people disagree with me so much. It's because they don't interact with REAL people who agree with my social mores.
...0/10 room for improvement.

>>91346328
sauce?

>>91346896
Dormant viruses aren't illnesses and that isn't true either. Even if it were that is a terrible analogy if you understood the concept of wellness

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>>91347042
Great strawman you wove there, are you self-taught?

>>91347039
>it happens subconsciously.
Yeah, just like racism, right? Keyword is "let".
>t.underage
how ironic.

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>>91345098
Connie's tits are too big.

>>91347085
No, I learned how to read in school, like most human beings. That's how I noticed that >>91346824 was complaining about people using words that he felt were wrong.

>>91347097
nope, racism is hardwired in your mind through evolution as in group preference

>>91346988
memes are representations of a collective human mind
the more famous, the more accurate

just look at pepe, he's an ugly gross frog.
This is sadly how the majority of men in the first world are feeling since pepe was also well recieved with normies too, and yet he can be a nazi, a smug fucker, a symbol of rebellion or even akin to the "don't tread on me" snake.

noone can control memes, they are their own force.

>>91346347
Looks like a guy to me tb h

>>91344180
Could someone please explain to me what the problem is? In what way are today's male youth irreversibly fucked up?

>>91347116
Yes, group preference, which isn't the same as racism. It just CAN manifest in racism.

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>>91346629
>only here since 2007

>>91347157
Wh-wh-wha wh- wh WHAT- wh-wh what do you MEAN what's wrong

THEY

DIDN'T

VOTE

FOR TRUMP

>>91347022

>if you seriously let your entire life be molded by the media you consume you're seriously kind of a messed up person.

If you think you've avoided it you're naive. If there is one thing SJW's are right about is that almost everything is a social construct. They are trying to deconstruct them and with them society.

Hand kids over to SJW education and SJW media at the age of 7 and they will hand you a deeply disturbed adult (not necessarily SJW though, going to other extremes in rebellion isn't unlikely).

>>91347116
why fight racism, then? If it's futile and never is going to go away?
why don't black people fuck off back to Africa?
That's what I can't fucking understand about this mentality, which one is it? nature or nurture? Media makes you racist, but at the same time you're racist from birth ? Sounds like a bunch of stupid hooey to me.

>>91346850
>Steven universe can't turn kids gay
>But Looney Tunes can turn kids into furfags

>>91347157
When you grow up you'll know