More lore-heavy and story driven cartoons?

>>91304866
Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated

>>91304866
A good show

>>91304866
You missed the noose to hang yourself with for posting Steven Cancerverse.

>>91304990
Oh shit, watched that one too.
It was great, i forgot about it.

>>91305146
>>91305171
I missed /co/ i really did

The Mysterious cities of Gold.

>>91305219
Missed you too Anon

>>91304866
Try Fangbone or Randy Cunningham

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Holy shit /co/ has gotten to the point where we criticize the SU image before the MLP post.

What fucking happened?

>>91304866
Adventure Time?

>>91304866
There's probably some of what you're looking for in Adventure Time if that's your thing.

Oban Star Racers
Yu Yu Hakusho
Dragonball (the original is on Hulu, it's good shit)
Green Lantern The Animated Series
the DCAU

>>91304866
Young Justice. They plot out and explain everything.

Even the annoying catchphrase of one character gets an explanation.

Plus it's coming back so jump on that shit.

Similar thought: first season of Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, starting with the shorts is damned solid.

>>91305708
Was about to say

\Wander over Yonder, although the more plot based direction doesn't kick in until season 2

There's also Star vs the Forces of Evil

>>91305752
>>91305772
I always thought Adventure Time was a 70 season long series that was made purely of "lel so rendem xD" humor,
Not trying to be offensive, I was just uninformed. So is it worth a watch after all?

>>91305795
>>91305823
>>91305239
>>91305375
Will check them out. Thank you.

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The Venture Bros
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=66v6q7V26oM

>>91306037
It's very long so I'd put it off until after you watch the other better, shorter, stuff, like Oban and GL:TAS and Venture Brothers

>>91306037
Don't watch Adventure Time.
Do watch Star vs.

>>91306014
I wanted to check that out because its made by Lauren Faust, but I was sure it was a simple comedy without any real plot. Will gladly check that out as well.

>>91306014
>>91306084
I really liked the Star Vs art style but many people said its not worth watching. Maybe I'll just watch a few episodes and see if I decide to stick with it i guess.

>>91306077
>>91306046
Thanks again my good anons.

>>91306193
The early episodes are kind of shit. Watch Mewberty and Blood Moon Ball maybe?
Maybe St. Olga's Reform School for Wayward Children, that was a good one.

>>91306243
Won't it spoil anything for me?
If not I'll do just that, thank you.

>>91306084
how many people who have NOT jacked off to porn of Star vs can honestly say it's actually an exceptional cartoon and not just marginally more interesting than shit like mighty magiswords or TTG whatever

>>91306267
If you like those you should watch from the beginning.
>>91306277
It's not exceptional but it IS entertaining. Teen Titans Go is hilarious sometimes. There was a crowbar joke that totally slayed me.

>>91306037
adventure time is good but don't watch for story because it never delivers on what it sets up

>>91306267
Mewberty, BMB, and St. Olga's won't really spoil anything for you. As a guy who enjoys the show, I'll admit it's a slow start, but progressively improves towards the end of the first season and into the second season.

>>91306277
>how many people who have NOT jacked off to porn of Star vs
none

>>91306277
There seems to be a general idea of what SVTFOE wants to be. TTG is just more of, "lets throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks as funny".

You could try Voltron or Trollhunters.

>>91305708
>MLP
>relevant
Their board is fading away. No one gives a single fuck about them.

>>91306911
OP here, just wanted to say that its bullshit, over.

>>91305708
can't we criticize both? they're both equally shitty.

>>91304866
>'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''lore-heavy'''''''''''''''''''''''''''
>My Little Pony
>Rick and Morty
>Steven Universe
I like all of these shows but their 'lore' is about as shallow as a puddle. Even Samurai Jack isn't really lore-heavy or story driven, it's episodic and multi-adaptive as fuck, and lets a billion different settings be used but focuses a fuck ton more on quantity over quality

>>91307101
apparently anything with a back story = deep-lore now.

>>91304866
[/spoiler]Bionicle

>>91307170
Well, given the modern trend for highly episodic, any bit of serialization will appear deep in comparison.

>>91304866
Avatar the Last Airbender
Wakfu
Spectacular Spider-man (little light on lore but very story/character-driven)

>>91307101
>Steven Universe
>not lore heavy
Steven Universe has survived and peaked almost entirely because of its lore. Saying it has no lore is stupid.

Besides, Gravity Falls should have been added there since their lore never got anywhere if we can even call it that. It was just monster of the week formula.

>>91305239
How come that cartoon doesn't appear very often. It looks pretty comfy.

maybe it's becaus it isn't really a west cartoon, is it

>>91307101
Dude, we're talking cartoons here. There are none with any deeper lore.
Of course they will look shallow when you compare them to books/movies/live action, but I don't thing you can name a cartoon with more of a lore than gravity falls or steven universe.

>>91307624
Because its a 100yo anime, nobody wants none of that.

>>91307681
Venture Brothers

>>91307681
The three listed here have more lore and story than either SU or Gravity Falls >>91307346

>>91307387
>Besides, Gravity Falls should have been added there since their lore never got anywhere if we can even call it that. It was just monster of the week formula.

Clearly had a plot. It was a mix between that and MotW

>>91307232
Now we're talking

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>>91304866

Rewatch Rick and Morty

>>91304866
>Anything i missed?

Killing yourself, actually

>>91305708
>What fucking happened?
MLP was 5 years ago, my man. some things we just have to let go

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>>91304866
>>91306193
Dude, you NEED to watch Star vs. I know it looks like childish crap at first - I almost dropped it myself when I was first watching it. But stick around, I urge you. The lore emerges by the end of Season 1 and into Season 2, and overall the shows gets so progressively better then that it puts half the stuff listed in the OP to shame (and it's coming from someone who actually loves the stuff listed in the OP).

>>91304866
Star VS the Forces of Evil

Adventure Time

All DCAU shows

Young Justice

Spectacular Spider-Man

Voltron: Legendary Defender

>>91306277
Star VS is a show that really wants to grow with its lead character. It starts out wacky silly and shallow because that's the kind of person Star is at the beginning, but as she develops as a person the show gets more sophisticated while still remaining funny and trying to have a good time, just like she does.

Not quite the same approach as TTG's random bullshit.

>>91310426
>>91310014

Star is probably the cartoon that has improved the most in the shortest time. It wasn't bad at the start, but it felt very much like it would be an anything-for-a-joke, status-quo-is-god type of show.

But about halfway through season one everything clicks into place and it starts striving for something more. Than you get to the season one finale and you can't believe how far it's come.

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>>91304866
Read Homestuck.

>>91307346
>Avatar
look I just browse occasionally but how the fuck does a thread like this not say avatar until 20+ posts in, fucking HELL

Adding DC animated universe, too

>>91304866
Over the garden wall nigger

>>91310809
Overrated.

>>91310942
Don't listen to this faggot.

>>91310559
Aside from interesting developments of the villains, the show hasn't improved all that much. The humor is lackluster, and most of the episodes are a bore to watch through.

>>91307346
Yeah these three are good

>>91306037
You're right about Adventure Time, but it has a LOT of lore.
Don't expect any actual plot though.

>>91304866
Commenting to also say Star Vs. is actually good.

Also if OP is still here definitely watch from the beginning. Try to get to at least the 8th full episode before deciding to keep watching or not, or skip around a bit-- first few episodes are different from what the show later becomes but still necessary for the overall story.

Also "many people" only said it was shit back in like 2015 when the first couple episodes were all we knew of. This year especially it seems to have a pretty positive reputation on /co/.

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>>91305708
At least MLP is about the daily life in a traditional fantasy kingdom and the occasional adventure. It's okay for kids. SU is about touchy-feely lesbians rebelling against a galactic empire of fascist lesbians for the right to be lesbians how they like it. And since that is the most interesting part, they never show it. Instead, we get to see an ambiguously gay standup comedy duo mend their relationship.

>>91311703
>they never show them being lesbians

What.

There are whole episodes about Ruby and Sapphire's relationship.

Whole episodes about Pearl crushing on Steven's mom.

And another one about her hitting on a hot girl.

Like, I don't know how much more explicit they have to be with the lesbianism on this show unless they start showing explicit strap-on penetration DO IT CN DO IT

>>91311771
>>they never show them being lesbians
You misunderstood me.
>SU is about touchy-feely lesbians rebelling...
>And since that is the most interesting part...
I meant that they never show them rebelling.

>>91304866
SU is shit.

>>91311945
Oh, okay, fair enough.

>>91304866
>SU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j38aX4JxINQ
Here, enlighten yourself

>>91310014
I think SVTFOE went through an identity change or writing or something. It seems like the show had two completely different souls from the first few episodes to the end of the second season. I don't know what changed but something improved for the better.

>>91310984
He's right though. It's good, really good even. But the hype everyone gives it shoots it to be the greatest bit of animation in the 21st century. It was good, but not as good as everyone makes it seem.

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>>91310648
Fuck off, our webcomic is terrible. Go read Worm by Wildbow, a /co/ style cape novel with actual fucking character arcs + creative powers JoJo style

>>91312591
There were two co-executive producers for the first half of the first season who left after that point. From there on the creator was the sole showrunner instead of sharing her position with two others who may have had different ideas for it.

In the second season, a pretty consistent writing team made up of her, two storyboarders who really got the show and pushed it to be more ambitious, and some other writers were involved with the outlines of every episode (sometimes it would rotate a bit but the first three were pretty much always involved). A bunch of different storyboarders were hired as well, with only 4 from the 17 or so involved with the first season sticking around.

There are some people who've always been involved but there was pretty much a massive overhaul/turnaround when you compare the credits of the early first-season episodes to any second-season episode.

>>91312684
>Fuck off, our webcomic is terrible.
Acts 1 through 5 are fine, and better at lore than most things ITT.

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>>91312768
Oh no, I agree that Homestuck has a lot of good stuff about it. First four arcs are actually HILARIOUS and I WOULD recommend them. Caliborn is still the villain we deserve and one of the best things in that comic, however, after rereading it a lot of times in idfferent ways, I've come to the conclusion that its just not worth it. The payoff isn't there. Everything troll related can go right into the trash because it doesn't pay off. Only very few moments of Arc 6 actually have any semblance of good, despite Caliborn and GAME OVER being there.

Anyways, at least if not the OP, then maybe you, as a fellow homestuck reader (just like many other Worm readers are), I would highly suggest giving Worm an honest read if you want something that has a shit ton of lore and above average character arcs and world building. Truly the story /co/ deserves and I'm happy I got the recommendation from this board. Go give the homepage a read on the summary if you care enough to take this shilling to the heart, it deserves more attention.

>Lore heavy.
>SU

Literally 80% filler tho...

>>91313102
I disagree with you about the trolls (I think they pay off by the end of Act 5), but yeah, I see what you mean. As for Worm, I'm reading that as soon as I catch up with Unsong.

>>91313102
Everything about Dave was genius

>>91313111
Which only proves how inaccurate the term "filler" is.

>>91304866
animals of farthing wood

>>91305708
MLP hate has always been more autistic than MLP. Always.

Steven Universe is genuinely worse than MLP.

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>>91305795
>Yu Yu Hakusho
>>lore-heavy
>>>story driven

>>91314226
fights are lore and story at the same time

>>91305708
There must always be a MLP.
We just have to hate on something. It's what keeps us striving

>>91314246
....Ooh my!

>>91314271
What if I hate on you? Fuck you bitch you can't tell me what to hate

>>91306037
Adventure Time does have lore and story but its in more bits and pieces than most of the shows you already watched. Still present though, and some of it is actually cool.

If you're able to stomach watching a pretty good wacky cartoon in between the deepest lore and story moments I'd say it's worth it. Or there are probably lists out there that remove the filler or some shit like that.

>>91305708
The fandom started on /co/, faggot. Mindless MLP hate is actually anti-/co/.

>>91314402
>Adventure Time does have [...] story
Not really, it has a few short arcs, but once they're over they don't really matter.

>>91314425
The era of anti-fandoms is awful and probably permanent and I wish we could go back.

>>91314122
This is true....incredibly, amazingly true.

>>91314455
GR#15 fucked up everything. moot realized it too late.

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>>91313721
>Everything about Dave was genius
Except when he suddenly turned gay because of Vriska. Remember when he was supposed to be a self-image of Hussie? I do.
Best lines in the comic though.
My point that I forgot to make is that, I don't recommend Homestuck anymore, now I only recommend Worm, and it has somehow attracted much more attention, as both are very hefty reads.
Worm is 1,7 million words long. Each and everyone being 100% worth it, something I really can't say about Homestuck, which is certainly a shame, because I think it deserves the attention, only I can't bare the thought of recommending something that isn't the best that I know.

>>91313677
Unsong is dope.
And the trolls are only good when they are either killing themselves, aka, offing characters, or interacting with the much better characters, the kids.

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>>91312684
Oh yeah, that thing......is worm now considered a mandatory thing for capefags to read yet? It's popping up on /tg/.

>>91314690
Yeah I quit reading before that happened.

Ninjago

>>91314609
I've been beating that drum for years and I'm glad at least one other person agrees.

The very second that rule was enacted every single thing became subject to an idiotic hatedom trying to set it up as the new Thing We All Hate and Should Therefore Feel Justified in Preventing Discussion of.

>>91306046
Good taste

>>91314696
>Worm by Wildbow
Not mandatory yet, for I have yet to see a hatedom arise. Until someone hates it, it's not required reading level.

>>91314449
Still present though. And some of those arcs are really long. Shit, if you wanna give the show all the credit in the world Finn's journey from childhood to adulthood is just a really really big story arc.

>>91306277
I've whacked it to Star vs. and only seen two episodes. What I saw was really substandard.

>>91314874
Is this how people who had to deal with the claim the kabbalah and hermitism symbolism was more than just anno dropping cool shit in Evangelion felt? Knowing how wrong they are, but knowing they had their heads so up their ass even anno saying otherwise wouldn't convince them?

>>91315068
Yes.

>>91315068
I'm not a homo who watches anney mays so you tell me

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>>91305708
Steven Universe is a very good show

>>91305708
>/co/
>not realizing SU status as the best series of all time

explain this meme to me

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>>91314696
>mandatory thing for capefags to read yet?
No one is putting a gun to your head. Guess what? You might even not like it! Some people tend to make a real big deal out of the fact that the mc gets bullied three times which then proceeds to never be a subplot ever again and only serves to be a way to create some semblance of personality on them.

>>91314850
The relatively small hatedom see a story with bullying in it and proceed to judge it as the edgiest shit ever, guess what, it happens and its a real thing. Tough shit huh. They also see murderous villains and blood and think "oh this is trying so hard to be edgy". Which really is laughable and cringy since all the points people make that they think are stupid proceed to then be explained and given depth to before & after even with surprising foreshadowing, which just says that most people that hate it, for now, just haven't gotten past the first 5% of the story.

Some people LOVE the book even though they HATE the main character, which is completely and 100% possible because she IS imperfect and flawed and a fucking human being. Which says something, I hope, because I haven't read something that actually resembled human beings in a looong while.
The cape stuff is the best, from power uses to how they work, to how they balance and the overall overarching world and reasons to why the powers are there to begin with is VERY worth the read IMO. The rules are well established enough that I can see it being viable on /tg/, since even the most OP characters have their weaknesses, even the one with the power to, at any given time "perceive all the steps to a given path to victory", which also has a really cool explanation to why is this even allowed to be a power at all.

Point of no return, to see if you will like it or not? I'd say the first "chapter" (called Arc 1, actually 6 small chapters + Interlude) if you get bitchy and autisticly wreeeee at bullying though? Maybe struggle through until Arc 4

>>91315517
>Point of no return, to see if you will like it or not? I'd say the first "chapter" (called Arc 1, actually 6 small chapters + Interlude) if you get bitchy and autisticly wreeeee at bullying though? Maybe struggle through until Arc 4
This reminded me too much to this:

>Some people have told me that FFXIII gets good about 20 hours in. You know that's not really a point in its favor, right? Put your hand on a stove for 20 hours and yeah, you'll probably stop feeling the pain, but you'll have done serious damage to yourself.

Come to think of it, all of the thread reminds me to this.

>>91312083
>linking the most /co/tv/pol/ meme bait channel ever
Seriously I gagged when I found that video because it felt like shallow 4chan pandering. I don't even give a shit if he lurks.

>>91315765
He's literally just shilling his own dumb video. He's probably you, too.

>>91304866
Wander Over Yonder, if you skip about half of it.

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>>91315607
Fair enough, but you can't like anything for the first 10 seconds of it. If you take more than an hour to read the first Arc, you are a slooooow reader. There's perspective at play here, you can't forget that.
I absolutely hated the first half of the Harry Potter book. A LOT of fiction actually needs you to put some effort into it to get your reward, that effort sometimes being simply time, but people easily forget that its a thing. Dark Souls took me a fucking month to get into and its my favorite fucking game ever. Homestuck? Also hated the beggining. Most anime I watch I need a good ol' look at the first Arc to get into them. Things CAN however, pander to your interests and grab you instantly, which never means it'll do the same thing to everyone. Again, people forget that. But they also have to remember, that well, then you can't judge the ENTIRE work, can you? You can judge a painting by just looking ta it, it fits in your whole view in an instant! Fiction doesn't work the same however.
Even though I enjoy parts of steven universe and don't agree with >>91312083 's video, I can respect that fucking man for actually watching the entire thing.

It was already mentioned but I'll say it again- Oban Star Racers is genuinely one of the best short/one season (26 episodes I think) cartoons in all of animation.

I'll throw in Xiaolin Showdown (mostly because the way the Shen Gong Wu interact can be fun) and Code Lyoko as well.

I remember liking the concepts of Storm Hawks, but it's probably not as good as I remember.

I've never personally watched Gargoyles but it seems to be pretty well liked so you could try for that.

Ben 10 Omniverse is great but sort of requires watching at least the original series (also great) and understanding the general plot points of Alien Force and Ultimate Alien (don't worry, they're not that hard to grasp, ask if you want to know) but Omniverse excels in character design philosophies for background/minor characters. It's worth at least one rewatch just to catch all the references and design ideas you might have missed the first time.

It's technically partially an anime, but I'd highly recommend The Big O. The dub is fantastic and Adult Swim created the second season meaning it's practically a western show. Add in the fact that the show synopsis is basically (Cowboy) Bebop Batman Mecha Noir and you'll know if you want to give it a try.

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>>91315607
>>Some people have told me that FFXIII gets good about 20 hours in. You know that's not really a point in its favor, right? Put your hand on a stove for 20 hours and yeah, you'll probably stop feeling the pain, but you'll have done serious damage to yourself.
That analogy is fucking retarded

>>91315963
so are JRPGs

>>91315765
>it felt like shallow 4chan pandering
It literally is.

>>91315848
You sound exactly like a Stockholm fan and I can finally understand every post you have made in this thread now.

>>91315956
>Ben 10 Omniverse
No
>Omniverse excels in character design philosophies for background/minor characters.
Lol no

>The dub is fantastic and Adult Swim created the second season meaning it's practically a western show
Bigger no

But yeah, big o is great, oban is great, xiolin is great (don't watch the sequel), fuck Ben 10.

>>91315963
Truth hurts my man.

>>91316136
I have a tendency to
1- write too much
2- respond to every response until I get tired
so I can totally understand your interpretation. I'll stop shilling, sorry for overcrowding the thread

>>91315607
Look man not all shows can hook people with their intro and first episode. Shows made with an entire clear plot in mind as well as shows by experienced creators can, but most modern cartoons are designed to be open ended- letting the show run on as long as the network keeps greenlighting more seasons.

>>91316136
No, its a fucking retarded analogy because no one will ever imply something similar to the fact that after 20 hours in the fire it will do something good for you, which is the point of dedicating time into something which isn't good at first. Goddamn, this is something logical you should have developed as a kid, but I guess you must be in some part of the spectrum, so I can't blame you for not getting it

>>91305708
At least MLP respects the characters' heights.
Steven Universe is an insult to professional art, it's genuinely unironically worse.

>>91316136
>not liking Omniverse character design philosophies

Look, I can understand not liking DJW's art style- it's pretty stylized and builds off the more generic three previous series, which is pretty jarring.

But you cannot look at Rook's family of Revonnahganders, the citizens of Anur Transyl and Galvan Prime, or all the alternate Bens and say the character design is bad. Aliens have vastly different sizes and shapes, yet you can tell what species a character is meant to be. Each species has consistent cultural and fashion trends that make understanding them very easy to pick up on.

And don't forget that Omniverse managed to salvage anything good from Alien Force and Ultimate Alien, while staying with the action/comedy tone of the original.

>>91316181
You do whatever you need to do, my friend.

>>91316223
How does a show being open ended affect the ability of its first few episodes not be terrible and waste the person's time? The powerpuff girls essentially had no continuity and it still managed to do it, as did dexter, even fucking F is for family. Saying a person should struggle to enjoy a show is ridiculous and a simple experiment will show it. Next time you want people to slog through a show, make them watch the first episode you think is good rather than the first episode and ask them if they liked it. Their responses will tell you everything you need to know (which are mostly going to be that the episode you showed them is mediocre).

>>91316257
I should have developed autism to not have been able to notice that the point is that any allege benefit is likely only by comparison rather than absolute? Huh, guess i'll go and eat all those paint chips you enjoyed, then.

>>91316458
From your description, we were talking about different things when you talk about character design philosophies, and we can agree on that point. I won't change my position that no one should be advised to watch any Ben 10 shows, but I get what you are saying.

>>91316578
Fair point, but I still maintain that Omniverse is great for those that crave character designs having trends but not being all the same. Having minor/background characters be the same species and have the same general design cues but be completely different in sixe/shape feels so good compared to past Ben 10 shows.

It's the same kind of little thrill when you notice a character is an elf not just by their ears but with their atire as well. All without the show explicitly telling you they're an elf. Then multiple that feeling by ten since they're all aliens with distinct shapes and layouts and you start to get why I like it.

>>91316957
Well, niche as it might be, that's a fair interest few if any shows will scratch better than Omniverse, as much I hate to admit it. I would suggest just looking at a picture collection, but even then that lacks the distinct animation.

So, if you really have such a specific interest, yes, you don't have too many places to go but this.

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Beware the Batman. The previous Batman shows had some two-parters and continuity between episodes, but Beware is the first Batman cartoon that does full-blown story and character arcs with some decent worldbuilding.

https://youtu.be/BdpyvMgBQTk

>>91306193
You watched SU, but you won't watch Star vs. because some people didn't like it?

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>>91304866
Lastman
Wakfu Season 1
Legend Quest
Star vs. the Forces of Evil
Tron: Uprising

>>91304866
Spectacular Spider-Man, Over the Garden Wall

>>91304866
Nearly everything on Netflix is pretty story driven. Action/adventure shows like Voltron, Trollhunters, Puss in Boots, Legend Quest, Kulipari, etc. Though I think there's a mandate for more binge-friendly shows in general.

>>91307624
1. The original anime is like 40 years old and mostly known in France, not the US
2. The 2010s sequel is trash and everyone would rather forget it exists

So those are what counts as lore heavy and story driven shows these days huh?

I hate this generation.

>>91306911
What will they do once it's ended?

>>91317580
I'm hoping for a mass suicide

Watch Gargoyles. Just watch the first two seasons and avoid the third at all costs.

>>91306037
Adventure Time doesn't have an overarching story. It does have several arcs that span across the series and a lot of episodes do tie into one another (heck, the upcoming miniseries in season 8 has origins going all the way back to season 3), but if you're watching for an ongoing plot you're going to be disappointed. That's not a criticism of the show by the way, it's just the type of show that it is, I'd still recommend it.

>>91317580
Rot until it gets deleted or rebooted again I think.
I'm impressed its lasted this long. Like what the hell is the population of the board at this point? I can't believe its still sustaining itself.

>>91318011
I haven't followed the series much as of late. What is the new miniseries about and how does it connect to season 3?

>>91318054
different guy, it finally says what happened to humanity pretty much, at least the parts that didn't get wiped out in the war. and Finn origins and that stuff.
Susan's backstory finally gets explained too after like 6 years or something ridiculous. was pretty cool.

>>91318054
The other anon is referring to the 'Islands' miniseries. There's also a new miniseries coming up called 'Elements' which deals with the Ice King/Betty storyline. If you don't mind mild spoilers, here's the intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NfaXYFzJk

>>91318077
>>91318131
Huh, that actually sounds pretty cool, thanks

>>91312083
> Steven Universe is bad because I don't like gay people
So this is the power of argument on /co/

>>91304866
>rick and morty
>lore heavy

Since fucking when?

>>91318181
I thought it was exceptionally good. Even if you don't care about the show anymore it might be worth watching.

>>91314122
MLP is a good written show with cute protagonists. Steven Universe would be as good if it didn't have Steven.

>>91318218
Steven is the best character.

>>91315399
Its still a very good show and I await the next episodes BUT:
a) Too many fillers, everyone wants to see the long story arcs, not steven playing arcade games for 20 minutes.
b) Steven himself is loud, annoying and stupid most of the time
c) The episodes are too short so the filler episodes that count up to at least 50% of the show don't even have any character progression
d) It goes nowhere with its story to often. Lion 4 did just that, and it made me angry-boo-boo
e) It can be sad or "epic" enough when it wants to, but can never be funny. The humor on this show is just terrible.

>>91317365
So what, I need to watch every cartoon even if it gets blasted everywhere?
I watched SU because it gets praise everywhere outside of this place, and Star is more or less universally called shit.

>>91318313
>It can be sad or "epic" enough when it wants to, but can never be funny. The humor on this show is just terrible.

Have to agree with this. It makes the slice of life episodes all the less enjoyable for me.

>>91316367
Come on, its worse because heights of characters change?

>>91318313
>Too many fillers
Not true

>not steven playing arcade games for 20 minutes
I do.

>Steven himself is loud, annoying and stupid most of the time
Shut up he's the best

>The episodes are too short so the filler episodes that count up to at least 50% of the show don't even have any character progression
I would like having more 20 minutes episodes, but what you said makes no sense. If they had 20 minutes long non-Homeworld episodes you would complain about them even more.

>It goes nowhere with its story to often
It's very slow, but it does progress.

>but can never be funny. The humor on this show is just terrible.
It's funny in the "cute" way. I don't think it even attempts to have humour beyond that.

>>91318392
>Star is more or less universally called shit.

I've never seen much shit talk for it outside of here.

>>91318048
Lad. They used up all their forces in the Pferdschalcht Offensive of April First, 2017. They're now ultimately divided with remnants in /mlpol/, Battalions to the South in the /trash/ lines. and a collapsing home board. They shall assuredly fall by May. Or all shall be lost with their surge in strength with newshit summer reinforcements.

>>91318411
> Not true
great argument there

> I do
great argument there

> Shut up he's the best
the best argument there

> It's very slow, but
So you agree that its too slow

> It doesn't try to be funny
Yes it fucking does. I like the cute humor, mostly with gems, but this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxBSOYlnsg
Is just cringe compilation 2k17. ME TORTA XDD

>>91318411
>>91318512
Also, remember the unbearable shitpile that is Say Uncle?

>>91318313
It's not that there's too many fillers, it's that the "filler" is garbage.
I won't argue with you on Steven. His characterisation was actually pretty good in 1B but he's a been flanderised a bit now.
I don't blame episode length. They have proven that they can do it in season 1.
Yup, Lion 4 was shit.
Yeah, when they try to be funny it normally falls flat. This bit was great though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvsrACGH_dA

>>91318527
That was the funniest episode of the show though. low bar but still.

>>91318557
Only thing i would not agree on here is the fact that steven was better in season 1. He went from being an annoying brat to being somewhat of a acceptable personality. It would still take 50 seasons of this slow ass progression for me to like him.

>>91318607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBRX3zwYUyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da0RtzuCg7s
He had some great moments of maturity in 1B.

>>91318512
>>91318527
>le argument meme
>>>/pol/

>So you agree that its too slow
It is slow, and I think they handled its slowness better in season 1, because they're actually introducing stuff with it. Now it has no reason to be that slow, but it still is, maybe even slower than season 1.

>Also, remember the unbearable shitpile that is Say Uncle?
That's one of my favourite episodes, actually

>>91318512
Say Uncle is an exception, the humor comes from it being UG-style. Remember this is a crossover and I think they actually had people from Uncle Grandpa working on it as well.

How can anyone claim say uncle to be good

>>91320140
It was the only episode of Steven Universe that actually had me laughing. Every other attempt at humour in the show usually got no more than a closed mouth "heh" from me.

>>91304866
>Steven Universe
>story driven
No, Steven Universe is agenda driven, plot comes second.

>>91318453
They won't fall by may, bacause 7th season starts in mid April

>>91320245
agenda=narrative=story

>>91305708
we've spirit bomb'd our hate into the entity known as barneyfag

>>91320140
Well, it objectively is.
It's a perfect Steven Universe episode.
It's a perfect Uncle Grandpa episode.
It's a perfect crossover.
Say Uncle is perfect.

>>91305219
where has it been all this time?

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>>91316367
now that's a /co/estion
is it better to have character designs with 0 consistency or a couple character designs and recycle them to death with only different colours and hair? see: 99% of anime

>>91320490
>is it better to have shitty character designs or good character designs? see: 99 of anime

>>91320140
because it is

>I hope he didn't care about that pizza

>>91318408
AND they look ugly. Compare it to EEnE where the character designs aren't pretty but the animation is superb.

>>91318392
>and Star is more or less universally called shit
where?

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>>91320514
>99% of anime
>good character designs

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>>91304866
Spider-Man Unlimited

>>91317536
It seems this is literally true.
The showrunner for All Hail King Julien talks about how Netflix personally has been asking him to do more serialized like his work on Mystery Inc which has pulled very good numbers when it's been on Netflix.

>>91304866
Bojack Horseman's attention to detail in the continuity absolutely destroys anything on that list

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>>91307387
nigga that lore dryed out more or less at the last half of season 2, they've been riding the same pointless """""mysterys""""" for 130 episodes now
and it ain't even that good, most of it doesn't make sense
now fuck off

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>>91321616
Wrong. Its by far the most comprehensive lore put to screen in a kids show.

This has only gotten more detailed and consistent as of Season 4.

>>91321710
As far as detail goes I would say adventure time takes the cake. Steven's is the least retconned and consistent though.

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>>91321710
why are humans in the exact same tech level that us when they haven't had any world wars
why don't humans give a shit about gem tech
why don't gems make a giant spacefarm if they needed "life goop" so badly instead of going to another fucking galaxy to get it
why are the diamonds creating sentient life with their own desires only to put them in a castle system when they could use emotionless robots that won't rebel against the established monarchy
why hasn't nobody given a fuck about that alien spaceship crashing publicly into a small beach town that actually forced the population of it to evacuate
why isn't the temple or any other gem stuff a tourist attraction, I get that for some retarded reason the humans think it's scary even after some old fuck went into most of the gem ruins and documented it all in the FUCKING 1800 but not even the mayor is using this millenia old ruin buildt by literal aliens to make a profit? that's just plain retarded
how is it that the gems don't actually know basic fucking shit about human culture except when they do like Lapis knowing what flirting is when they've been around for about 5000 years
and don't give me the shit about them not having contact when it has been stablished that humans fought side by side with the gems in the war and rose had several human pets
why don't the humans recall anything about gem stuff, one would think that a event so big that it blew up entire continents would be at least teached in school but apparently not
why are the humans so fucking retarded for fucks sake how does a genuine doctor confuse a bloody mess with extra arms and no pulse for a fucking patient does everyone in this show have lead posioning or something
why didn't the magic song nuke affect lapis
she was literally on the ground incrusted in the mirror when she got the blast why isn't she corrupted af
why would you make your ground soldiers as retarded as the rubies
I would go on but I've reached the max characters for a post.

>>91318313
>e) It can be sad or "epic" enough when it wants to, but can never be funny. The humor on this show is just terrible.
this shit right here.
and they try to make it funny 75% of the time

All I know is that Star Vs is the best cartoon to have been made by Americans ever. Nothing really comes close. And this comes from someone who has watched TV shows for over 25 years. The people who call SU good worries me a bit but ultimately it's their choice to continue watching that.

>>91321710
>most comprehensive
You mean just throw in shit that aligns with their ideology and see if it sticks? Nice comprehensive lore there.

>>91321941
I agree man, but this is the wrong place to say that since most people here still like SU.

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>>91322030
What?
Outside of that hugbox /sug/? Haven't you seen the catalog in the last couple of weeks?

>>91318392
The only place I've seen it "universally called shit" was /co/ in like January 2015 after the first episode, over 2 years ago. Other episodes got better responses and it generally seems to get praise on the internet now.

I don't really see how you could somehow only run into praise for SU and bitching about Star Vs., unless you were in like an SU fanclub or some shit. Opinions for both can be pretty varied.

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>>91321941
t. autist

>>91318218
>Barney
>good
You see, this is what I've been trying to tell you all along. We live in an age where more and more millenials will tell you that Barney is a good show when it really isn't.

>>91304866
Somebody already mentioned Gargoyles.

Beast Wars.

deepest lore right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJxHnuA3PgI

Chris Colorado (basically Metal Gear solid the cartoon minus crazy boss fights)

bumpity bump

>>91315956
>It's technically partially an anime, but I'd highly recommend The Big O.
It's completely an anime, and Adult Swim didn't create the second season.

>>91321407
Anime has very high standards for character design. You are just making things up for political purposes.

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>>91320490

>>91327028
Did this low quality image really need to be a PNG?

Trollhunters. It's a really great show with tons of lore.

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>>91315362
Correct! But Blushmallet sucks.

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>>91327028
>>91327046

Better.

>>91314696
it's good. Good enough for it to make me lean towards the 'mandatory reading' camp myself.

>>91315362
This

>>91321376
Fuck, I really loved the animation and the style of Steven, its really one of my fav things about it.

>>91327028
>>91327258

This was one of my favorite scenes from the Space Arc because it hits all my design philosophy buttons.

All of the Famethyst are clearly Quartzes- big broad bodies and big messy hair. But they aren't all clones. While the Amethysts are all purple, they're not the same shade- they range from plum to lavender to nearly grey. Same for their hair- white to grey to pink to purple- all clearly meant to represent the same idea but each different enough to make them recognizable AND to have a unifying theme to them.

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>>91330708
I think they did a better job of differentiating between Famethysts than Rubies. However, though could be my colorblindness.

>>91304866
Green Lantern The Animated Series.

>>91330820
Eh all the Rubies have slightly different skin tones, but yeah you have a point.

I think the reasons because of that are several. First is that the Rubies are introduced earlier and thus had less time to work on. Second is the color. Purple is a much more fantastical skin color than red and thus can be looser, and the fact that there is really only one commonly known purple gem and several red ones. (Ruby, Carnelian for example). Finally we only see five new Rubies while there are at least a dozen identifiable separate Amethysts, including 8XJ with her Rose hair curl.

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>>91310648
You stop that.

Read Problem Sleuth. Written by the same man long before he pandered to teenage autist. It's a story that starts incredibly simple, then adds a bunch of seemingly irrelevant and silly elements that eventually coalesce into something really special.

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>>91327185
I agree

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>>91331673
I'm glad that everyone can agree on this point.

If only she would take some anatomy classes and stop using the blur trick.

>>91306037
Adventure time is fucking awful after season 3

>>91333221
why?

If you wanted story driven cartoons whyd you watch Steven Universe?

>>91316367

twilight did inconsistently grow after becoming a princess

>>91333309
It is by western standards

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>>91333309
because is the best one

>>91333333

>>91333330
That has everything to do with alicorns being larger then the regular ponis.

>Is co srsly talking about ponies right now without turning into a shitshow?

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>le sjws!!

Funny how you very obviously have not watched the show.

If you can find one meaningful contradiction or retcon in the Gem lore of this show, i'll actually be impressed. Of course you won't, because you're a dumb sperg.

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>>91335666
hello there partner good to see ya
>>91321890

>>91335865
>meaningful contradiction or retcon in the Gem lore
>the post only talks about human things the show completely ignores

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>>91336094
retarded lore is still retarded my dude
anyway it's not like the gem empire's anything new, they're literally the Irkens if they were written by Sugar and with shittier desings and played completely straight with no self awareness whatsoever
i mean
>depends on tech to enhance user
>irks are made to fullfill a task their almighty tallest leaders order
>don't give a shit about destroying other planets or lifeforms to get what the want
>they're all absolutely retarded

it's pretty basic alien stuff. We barely get any gem lore that isn't in Earth, and pretty much everything on Earth is pantsonhead retarded so I'm gonna have to ask you about where is this amazing lore that you're describing ya dork

besides, the post that I quoted did point out some absolutely retarded stuff about "gem lore" too
funny how you bitch about people not seing this garbage when you don't seem to be able to read one post.

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>>91335666
this !!!!

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>Steven Universe
>Lore heavy