What went wrong?

>>91303004
Memes and autism and dyke shipping.

>>91303004
Rebecca Sugar

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Writers went wrong. Fire and ice. I will say though that in retrospect breezy until finn got his arm back was fine, it was showing him unsatisfied and looking for something or someone to replace fp.

Even now though im not sure about fire and ice. All i can definitely say that caused a decline was the writers. Fortunately it looks like they've hit their stride again with these recent miniseries

>>91303004
They worshiped at the shrine of status quo, while also attempting to create a long running storyline.

>>91303098
Funn should never have broken up with FP. It went downnhill from there, to the point it became depressing to watch it and i stopped.

>>91303021
This

>>91303021
Didnt it go down hill because she left though

>>91303021
no it was Natasha Allegri.

>They didn't know how to handle being at the top
>Pendleton Ward is a hack
>Rebecca attracted "them"
>They feared commitement
>when they commited they couldn't handle it
>shit writting in general

At least it's getting somewhat decent now, I guess, I just hope they don't out-do themselves or CN will be asking for a reboot in 3 years.

>>91303021
/thread

>>91303205
Finn should never have got together with FP. She was a shallow character and contributed little to the series outside a catalyst for Finn's "character development" which has since faltered in her absence.

>making this thread on the show's 7th birthday
bit disrespectful in't it

>>91305492
Today is AT's birthday?

That feels weird.

>>91303004

Dyke shipping means no more adventures between Finn and Marceline.

>>91303004
A shift in the "tone" of the series. It has a weird mesh of episodic episodes and "plot" episodes.

>>91303004
mid-series slump

Everything's coming to a close, though, so I'm happy that the writing is becoming more and more focused with satisfying resolutions.

>>91306920
Good.

>>91306920
This is my actual biggest complaint with the show. Marceline being a lesbo and having sad backstory killed interaction between her and Finn for whatever reason. Been years since they've actually hung out (Stakes barely counts for me, they had so little dialogue together).

Not even sure what their interaction would look like nowadays since Marceline is no longer a dickish prankster and Finn isn't a naive child anymore.

>>91303820
Nope. Hell given how SU is now the show would have turned out worse if she had stayed

>>91306920
>>91307071
They're going to hang out again in a season 9 episode, along with Hunson (Marcy's dad)

It was always shit

Relationshit.

>>91303004
The worst art style I've ever seen in a "popular" cartoon. And it was supposed to be innovative!

>>91307166
I don't think so, Sugar probably would have been fine if she stayed working on this thing. She would have kept pushing her personal plotlines that may have turned out better than what we got in the show then later left in another 2 or 3 years like others have.

Giving her her own show is what let her make everything about crying, feelings, and lesbians. Those things were there in her AT work but they were reigned in because she was a smaller part of a bigger whole, I think if she stayed she would have made decent enough work.

>>91307270
That will be nice but one episode doesn't make up for 4+ years of a nonexistent relationship

>>91303004
Mid-series dip, it's solid up through season 3 then lulls with the dumb FP stuff, picks back up again pretty well once they split. Last two seasons have been stellar.

>>91303004
Everyone forgot about it existing, even CN

>>91307305
>I think if she stayed she would have made decent enough work.
Yeah no. Rebecca is the cancer of the industry. Everything related to her is cancer.

>>91307872
Sure man

>>91305457
Who even thought that would be a good idea? It's like they forgot to write any reasoning for them falling in love even though they don´t know each other or have anything in common.

>>91303004
it's a meme series taylor made for reddit

>>91307988
>Who even thought that would be a good idea?
Rebecca

>>91303004
It didn't know whether it wanted to be a Flapjack-style wacky comedy or a serious, deep, lore-filled series. It was uncomfortable how the show's tone was all over the place.

Season 4 was a clear sign of that, and I haven't come back to the show since.

>>91307988
Rebecca and Pen. They ditched Fubblegum in favor of a completely new character who had no personality and was hated when she was introduced.

And then Xayaphone decided to kill the pairing with his shitty writing, rendering this entire decision meaningless.

And I fucking hope that they don't do the same mistake with Huntress Wizard, since the show is hinting that she's going to hook up with Finn.

>>91308038
Fuck off that's Reddit and Memety

>>91308238
>Xayaphone

What kind of fucking name is that?

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>>91303004

Finn x Bubblegum never happening.

Like fuck, I was at least hoping some decent story telling where she rejects him then warms up later instead of completely cutting him out of her love life.

Y'know? Something like "forgetting what love is because she's old af" heck I would've taken Tsundere than this implied lesbian bullshittery. I never dwelled on it much before but now I realize how perfect and imperfect Bubblefinn would've been and it pains me so to see her become something like an irrelevant background character along with Marceline.

>>91308238
>And then Xayaphone decided to kill the pairing with his shitty writing, rendering this entire decision meaningless.
frost and fire along with everything that followed was such a terrible way to undo the relationship

>>91308908
why do people still yearn for the most boring archetype of a relationship possible, Finn/PB is just snore inducing. I respect AT just a little that they so thoroughly subverted what seemed to be an obvious endgame from the start. even then it took them a long fucking time to have Finn finally get over her but still.

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>show called Advanture Time
>adventure is in the title
>lets start making the show about the melodrama
>remember how that one episode got an award?
>lets do that episode again and again but shittier
>huh who is Finn and Jake?

At least there's decent fan art. I tend to like the art more than the show. havent watched since Finn lost the blood sword.

>>91308759
No idea.

I wouoldn't be surprised if he completely made it up.

Dude is just fucking odd all around.

>>91309003
>even then it took them a long fucking time to have Finn finally get over her but still
Except Finn isn't over her. He still has feelings for her which is why its really painful watching them interact with each other after all that's happened.

>>91309003
Better than lesbians

>>91309148
Dogshit is better than lesbians so who cares

>>91303004
It felt like after Season 2 all the people working on the show got depressed or something cuz it went from this quirky show about his adventure-loving kid to like everyone in the show acting depressed all the time

>>91309115
You can interpret things that way but I am pretty sure he's over her romantically. He still wants her respect and affection but it feels to me like he realized she ain't ever gonna reciprocate, and thank fucking goodness for that.

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>>91308759
this is him

>>91309199
It was Rebecca Sugar. Everything is about crying for her. Just look at SU

>>91307166
Sugar is great. The problem with SU is that she is too much of a pussy to give her storyboard artists rules they need to follow.

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>>91309303
What in the holiest of fucks

>>91310063
this
I don't know where the Sugar is a hack meme came from, she generally does good stuff as long as you aren't repulsed by the touchy feeliness of it
people are just too pissy about SU

romance and muh deepest lore
it stopped being about fun and quirky adventures

>>91310250
>deepest lore

This wasn't a problem until they made the same mistake Twin Peaks did and solved the mystery too early

>>91309003

>boring

After the reveal that Bubblegum is a direct ( long lived ) descendant of one of the first ( friendly ) creatures to roam Ooo along with her cold calculating personality would lead me to believe complication. She has a lot more potential for backstory than any other character besides Ice king. ( who we first thought was just a wacky goofy villain )

She owns a kingdom and from what we saw in a few episodes

>sending Candy stuff into outer space to ensure survivability of candy race
>that one long look into the future with a super Gumball guardian/stasis pod mobile fortress. Bubblegum can modify her age so she's most likely still alive.
>somehow liking science despite being a magical being herself

Those are just the ones off the top of my head that left an impact.

And did I forget to mention again that she is old as balls. In those hundreds of years, she seriously did not encounter anything interesting? One quote I remember from her which for some reason gives me chills was when they were fighting those slime mutants and she said
>Creatures from a different time.

I don't know, just the way she says it makes it give out feeling of sadness.

If anything, out of all the parings in the series ( certainly not flame princess ) she would've have been the most interesting fitting very nicely with Finn's human ancestry. All those wasted backstory potential just because it felt ""somehow"" unrealistic, but complication would've made a hell lot more fun.

>>91310629
>In those hundreds of years, she seriously did not encounter anything interesting?
She spends all of her time locked up inside a castle surrounded by a bunch of drooling retards anon, she never gets the chance to see anything new.

>>91308759
>>91308238
>>91309303

I fucking hate this faggot's name and I hate what he does to Finn. He should not be allowed to write anything episodes involving him.

>>91310629

I might also add that Flame princess was where they really fucked up. They could've made it better but instead smear shit and piss over the already dirty wound. A literal who gets introduced despite an already interesting character ( bubblegum ) existing and to add even more insult to injury lets Finn get cucked by cinnamon bun. The way I see it with Huntress Wizard is just now an attempt to not let Finn's romantic life die a painful death.

>>91310844
In theory Flame Princess was a good idea. They were already shying away from Bubblegum because she was "too old," so coming up with a new feisty gal who was the same age as Finn would have allowed a romantic subplot to still exist in the show even if Bubblegum wasn't interested.
And it would have been really cool to have such a difference in Finn's ladies, goes from pretty pink morally righteous princess to naive, volatile tsundere fire princess. A world of potential there.

They just fucked it up because "Oops we forgot to give Flame Princess personality" and she and Finn never fucking hung out. The idea was solid and could have been awesome though, I'm convinced anyone who says FP was shit from the start is just a shipper who was pissed Bubblegum didn't win Finnbowl.

>>91303021
>Blame the woman who helped some of their best songs and best episodes
If this is bait I'm biting cause that's bullshit and ya know it, Anon.

>>91310743

Yes. And that's what I mean by wasted potential. I would argue that she WOULDN'T stay in a castle given her very curious scientific nature. You can only learn so much by books ( which she probably made herself ) cooped up in a room.

And like one Anon said here, they should've spent more time on the pre-apocalypse human civilization reveal.

If I was the writer, that would've been the perfect time to flesh out FB's character and time for Finn's relationship to develop. He gets rejected, still harbors feelings, they do some bonding, FB does end up opening up more and the relationship blossoms.

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>>91310197
>I don't know where the Sugar is a hack meme came from
It's not a meme, retard. She ruined Marceline and Finn. She ruined Adventure Time tone. Gif very related

>>91311155
She made a good chunk of the best episodes of the show, people are just fucking stupid and hate shipping and characters ever shedding tears so they act like she was bad.

Finn cried basically twice, both in times of great frustration and distress, he was not reduced to a pathetic pussy at all by Sugar. Marceline I'll give you but even then, she isn't the one who made Bubbline and sad Simon backstories take over the entire character, everyone else did that.

Sugar was a very good AT boarder but I guess I can't stop people if they want to exclusively focus on the not great stuff she did and ignore all the amazing parts of her work.

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>>91311228
>he was not reduced to a pathetic pussy at all by Sugar.
Rebeccafags are really delusional

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>>91310933

You're not wrong about me being salty calling FP shit because Bubblegum wasn't picked. I would've liked it, really, since there's still a large contrast of personality between Finn and FP to make it interesting, but I can't expect God-tier work from mere mortals.

Which really sucks, because this show is unique with it's cutesy artwork but strangely morbid dark background lore.

Any shows with those two combinations replicated in the future would just seem like poor imitation. Which is why I'm upset as I am cause they had only one shot and screwed it up.

Somehow I'm glad they are finally wrapping this up with finishing what happened to the humans, but still salty that they fucked up as they did.

>>91303004
Status Quo.
They would introduce a plot or thing and the return quickly to status quo. They've gotten better but only because they know they are ending.

>>91311307
Literally tell me what is wrong with a teenager being sad that the girl he had a crush on wasn't interested in him? He was bummed out, I can get not liking how overdramatic it was but that is in no way ruining a character. Reminder that as soon as those two episodes were done Finn was back to kicking ass all through Sugar leaving the show.

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>>91311308
Agreed, I really love AT despite all its faults and a better executed, more tightly written version of the show that avoided the numerous missteps the series took would be amazing.

Still, I gotta be happy with what we got. Even though there are so many decisions they made that made me salty as hell.

>>91307071
>>91307270
>Marceline never appears throughout the Martin arc with advice on how to handle shitty dads
>all over PB when she appears now

>>91309204
>>91311350
sssssssssstfu

>>91303687
>>91305400
Sugar hate be strong.

>>91307302
It wasn't.
It was just so simple it worked, leading others to copy it.

>>91309566
Do people want to hate fuck Sugar or something?

>>91313940
go into SU threads and you'll have your answer

>>91311350
Are you really implying that that kind of reaction is normal? Yes, feeling bumed out it's normal, but being a pathetic slob and crying while sniffing a woman's hair is too much, not even teenagers are that much pussy.

>>91308908
>>91308238
bless your hearts

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>>91310956
>enjoying songs from a cartoon

>>91314022
Teenagers are totally overdramatic when it comes to relationships. One of neighbors in college was on the phone cry-arguing with his girlfriend every other day. What Finn did was totally natural, sometimes young people are pussies when it comes to relationships.

Even then, if lasted two episodes. Hell, in Hot to the Touch he didn't even cry that long, only shed tears for like 20 seconds. Wasn't a big deal.

>>91314091
*One of my

>>91314091
Really? I went to a rich people college and not even those people were that bitchy.

Millenials, I guess.

>>91303004
Can we agree that Sugar ruined this show?
I want to fuck her up.

>>91314150
Sugar only ruined SU
she improved AT while she was working on it, then the show suffered a decent bit after she left because of the ideas she had that they were stuck with, then over time the show got over those obstacles and is still in a decent place

>>91314146
Some people are just sissies like that my man.

Who's gonna lose their virginity first boys? Finn or Fern?

>>91314192
She ruined AT.
SU was shit to begin with.

>>91314329
Finn already got lumpy date raped and I doubt Fern has working sex organs
nigga can't even eat food

>>91314347
she didn't ruin AT though

>>91314192
>ruined SU
That would imply SU was good to begin with.

>>91308759
Sounds Indonesian

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>>91303004
/co/'s fanbase primarily consists of waifufags who won't shut the fuck up about shipping despite dramatic episodes taking up only a miniscule fraction of each season, save for the recent miniseries.
In essence the only thing that went wrong is that /co/ never grew the fuck up.
Eat shit /co/.

>>91314396
careful with those inflammatory comments there, son.

>>91314354
He can grow a grass dick. And his semen would be..i don't know treesap? or green ink

>>91303021
she was a great team member as long as she wasn't allowed to do whatever she wanted. not really her fault.

episodes like The Real You and Power Animal are some of the best ever made.

>>91314467
No they weren't.
You're just an SU fanboy.

>>91314467
Or Mortal Folly
or Chamber of Frozen Blades
or Susan Strong
or Morituri te Salutamus

fags like >>91314514 completely block those out of their mind and think every one of her episodes was a genderswap lesbian orgy about deepest lore when Sucrose was often great.

>>91314396
Even standalone episodes got worse for a while, anyone with even the slightiest resemblance of taste can realize that.

>>91314567
>think every one of her episodes was a genderswap lesbian orgy about deepest lore when Sucrose was often great.
Once again, the delusions of the SU fandom.

>>91307305
It's not like AT doesn't have plenty of feelings and lesbians now anyway. But it doesn't have the crying, so it's in this weird limbo zone where characters get depressed and angsty but all they can do is talk philosophy.

>>91314617
m-m muh SU boogeyman bloobloobloo
fuck off nerd

>>91314514
>she was good when she couldn't do whatever she wanted
>SU is the result of her doing whatever she wants
SU isn't good. As much as I wanted it to be. It's held back too much by being a show for kids. Sugar needs to make a cartoon for adults. She loves romance and erotic themes so much, it's the only way.

>>91314641
I feel like the crying still happens when the lesbians show up, but basically only then. Pretty sure PB cried in both Varmints and parts of Stakes.

Otherwise most we get is Finn tearing up sometimes. I wonder if they toned his emotions down specifically, Pen did get into an argument with Sugar about Finn's big waterfalls during the FP twoparter. Maybe they made a note to never have him do that again.

>>91314641
For being fair the lesbians in AT feel better and less shit than SU

Susan and whatshername was a genuinely well written pairing, sometimes I feel /co/ hates on lesbians for no other reason than they being lesbians.

>>91314746
>Susan and whatshername was a genuinely well written pairing,
>whatshername

>>91314775
It's been a while

>>91314604
Dude, S5 and S6 had a ton of great episodes.
Jake the Brick was from S6.
I won't deny the plot episodes dropped the ball into a cavern, but the rest weren't as affected as most people like to complain.

>>91314746
SU at least goes far enough with it that the audience doesn't get blueballed. Ruby and Sapphire are clearly lesbos, and Pearl is clearly gay for Rose. Yeah they're nonbinary rocks, who gives a shit everyone knows they're lesbians.

While with AT they're still holding on to that plausible deniability between PB and Marcy this late into the game. It's kind of cowardly of them.

>>91314740
Sugar would be worse at adult shows.
Kid shows are the best she can do.

>>91314803
I'm not sure if I can be glad that SU has actual lesbians when all the characters are ugly, shitty, badly-written, slobs of tears.

decently written bluball lesbians > shitty pandering lesbians

>>91314855
Fair enough.

For my taste SU pushes the lesbos so far that it becomes obnoxious, whereas AT doesn't really push them enough. There will eventually be a cartoon that hits the perfect sweetspot of lesbians, one day.

>>91314029
>watching cartoons

>>91314914
EHHHHH I wouldn't go as far as to say that AT doesn't push them enough, I'd say that it usually goes from not at all to too much, some may argue a balance but it's the opposite, yurifriends want more but other people want less.

>>91314855
PB and Marceline aren't well-written when they're together. They're bland and there's no reason to believe they'd like each other.

>>91314914
Say what you want about SU's lesbos, there's technically only three of them.
The MC is a cis, straight white male.

>>91314966
I don't know anon, usually the show misses the mark (although I would argue Stakes was pretty good for Bubblinefags) but their dynamic in that one comic was pretty good, I'd say the pairing at the least has potential.

>>91314855
Aren't all lesbians pandering by default?

>>91315006
AT's no better though, Finn's as white and cis as it gets. At least Steven is kind of faggy and wore a dress one time.

>>91315034
No? I know in these times of SJWs it can be hard to tell, but lesbians aren't pandering shit by default.

>>91314966
Still better than Pearl and Garnet.
They're ugly and stupid.

>>91307988
He likes her because she's violent and kickass, and also a princess. that's good enough reason to me.

I mean, isn't it better than Finn going after PB forever? at least Sugar was nice enough to try to get him out from under the boot of a power-hungry dictator.

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>there are 32 AT episodes left until the show is gone
>will probably get a reboot in like 9 or so years
>reboot will be shit

>>91315104
Is AT the PPG of our time?

>>91309025
>I tend to like the art more than the show
Exactly what happens to me with Steven Universe. There are amazing fan artists drawing better than the storyboarders themselves

>>91308238
>They ditched Fubblegum in favor of a completely new character who had no personality and was hated when she was introduced.

>was hated when she was introduced.

FP was loved in the first time that she was introduced.

>>91315135
AT is the second most successful CN original after PPG.
So roughly, yes.

>>91315471
I recall it being more mixed than that, some were pysched but there were a lot others who were still holding onto Bubblegum

>>91315135
In terms of influence, yes.

>>91303004
nothing

>>91311307
Although he got over it in the same episode and was totally badass . Rebecca understands that you have to get feelings out to get better. SU goes overboard with that in that talking about feelings solves pretty much everything, but yeah.
AT writers prevent Finn from crying or even making a sad face, even in the most hurtful of situations. I guess to make him look like a man or whatever. But he comes off as neurotic, even borderline insane, and much less relatable.
>>91314022
crying like that's pretty normal when you're in love. In Finn's case it was even worse because he was serving her for literally years in hopes of winning her heart. I mean the episodes introduced emotions in him that you can argue he wasn't actually harboring, but I thought it was plausible.

>>91315587
It feels more to me that they're having Finn just repress shit instead of emotionally react to it in outbursts like Sugar

Real fucking odd how the shows almost over and they never really addressed how that's something Finn casually does. I mean its not healthy. Is the show gonna end with him continuing to use that as a coping mechanism? Or is his nebulous maturity supposed to have solved that issue or something

>>91303004
everything

>>91315665

it's the best coping mechanism. just bottle it away, and eventually it'll just evaporate and then you never get upset too much about most things

>>91315665
I don't think they're actually committed to the repression idea. He'll be depressed one day and then happy the next, and we're supposed to believe he's 100% fine. If his repression of bad feelings was gonna be a plot point, he'd have to snap one day. It wouldn't be pretty.

>Or is his nebulous maturity supposed to have solved that issue
yeah basically. because adults don't have feelings I guess.

>>91315817
Guess he gets rid of it with his crying while pooping system

>>91303004
The Lich, it's the definitive episode that begins the whole continuous plot bull crap.
Put unlikable flanderized characters and character worshiping down for number 2

>>91303004

nothing, you faggots just got older

>>91315942
Man I wish the Lich is what made the show say fuck it and start serializing their storylines but that's not the case at all. They just have big stuff happen in finales and then there's goofy adventures for every other episode.

>>91310933
>They just fucked it up because "Oops we forgot to give Flame Princess personality" and she and Finn never fucking hung out
Pretty sure they had whole episode of both doing dungeons.

>>91315993
Wow one episode, great job show really made me feel a connection to their relationship.

They needed like 5 more of those if they wanted me to give a shit. The majority of Finn and Flame Princess' relationship was about them fretting about the obstacles separating them and not enjoying each other's company, the show never did enough to show off their chemistry.

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How do you send Finn off in a way that finishes his coming of age story and provides closure?

For me it was just i lost interest after the flame princess showed up. Bubblegum started to annoy me. Everybody but jake was annoying.
I tried regaining interest after dropping the show for years. Picked back up where i ended the first time.
Lost interest again. This time a even longer drought. Watched a episode with Jake's brother by chance. It was alright. I see the show just matured a lot. I just can't put my finger on why itxs so uninteresting. I found the first couple seasons so fun.

>>91315104
>reboot will be shit

So basically what it is now.

>>91316066
Have him tell off PB like he should've been the one to do so in The Cooler. They need to be on equal footing because as of now, it's wayyy one sided between them.

He also needs some sweet upgrades to that mechanical arm. I'm still hoping that power he had in The Tower comes back to stay. That would certainly help him fight evils like the Lich.

Growth spurt (incredible hulk version of Finn need not apply)

Stable relationship with a girl for the love of god

More assertiveness and not willing to bullshit around for long, but still have that good, kind personality the citizens of Ooo love

>>91309025
>Next to no /ss/ Marcy x Finn

Fuck this gay earth

>>91309025
I wish i head some tits on my head. Probably pretty comfy.

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>>91316066
Show finishes up its plot points whatever, who cares
Final episode Finn finally has a design change and looks older, he could be like early 20's or some shit
Jake is moving out to live with Lady, wants to settle down from the adventure lifestlye and make up for time he missed out with his gal over the years
Finn is sad but acting casual like nothings wrong
eventually Jake grabs him and they talk on top of the treehouse
Jake gets Finn to open up, Finn talks about how nervous and scared and sort of angry he is that Jake's leaving, feels sort of ashamed for feeling like this because he should be happy for his brother
Jake is like those feelings are just fine Finn, nothing wrong with being upset
Jake explains that its not the end of the world, Lady's isn't far away and they'll still see each other pretty much every day
Jake talks about how he was really scared when he went out on his own for the first time too, but being independent is also exciting and brings new opportunities, Finn's gotta look on the brightside
Jake wants Finn to make the most of it, also slyly suggests that he should start looking for a gal to fill the Jake shaped hole in the fort
end with sappy shit about how they're bros4lyfe even if Jake is moving

Finn's still sad but isn't scared anymore, he sees Jake and Lady off. This is the part where you could add in extra sappy shit if you want, like there being a big group photo of the important characters or Marceline and Bubblegum dragging Finn to a dungeon to get his mind off Jake leaving
credits would have to include Island Song to reach peak kino

rate my shitty fanfiction /co/

>>91314467
Basicaly the Moffat of /co/

>>91316326
sounds like a solid 8/10 probably better than what the show will do

if it ends on anything but Finn and Jake I'll feel a bit robbed.

>>91316326
3/10

Jake and Finn barelly hang out anymore

>>91316459
Watch the show dingus

>>91316481
I do

tell me last episode where they actually hanged out, at this point the show is usually a Jake story or a Finn story and the other one is just there because he has to

>>91316066
In the last episode I'd like to see him settled down, or traveling with his friends to fight something evil ala Helck and Anne

>>91316511
All through S7 there were those episodes.
Bonnie n Neddy, Mama Said, Football, More you Moe, Crossover, Flute Spell, Thin Yellow Line, Don't Look, Beyond the Grotto, I am a Sword, Normal Man, Music Hole, Pre/Reboot

They haven't been doing it lately because they were miniseriesed up the ass, but they were still interacting an hanging out that entire time.

There are more episodes lately where they're each doing their own thing, but they are undoubtedly still very important to each other and hang out all the time.

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Nothing.

>>91314966
Sky Witch had a great dynamic between those two. Moynihan and Castuera were the ones who really nailed it. I'm happy with the two of them just as friends.

>>91303004
Didn't know what it wanted to be and tried to be deep without having a pre-planned story and lore.

bum

>Fandom is dead on /co/

Sad to see, given it used to be one of /co/'s favorites.

>>91319057
Just been too long and people have been burnt too many times. I'm also sad but I understand.

>>91319057
There was lots of discussion when Islands came out. It'll pick up again when it returns with Elements late April.

I went to a CalArts summer film program with Pen Ward and he was featured in a video about people who self-harmed. Someone out there has footage of him punching himself in the face really hard. Got the sense that the dude had serious problems, and seems like he's implied in his interviews that he had a fucked-up childhood.

Don't know if I still have my videos from the program. My parents threw out a bunch of my VHS tapes and old games when I was in college (because they were on "antiquated formats....") so I don't know if i have it but if I manage to deliver it will be here. I'm a bitter loser; that's my motivation!

>>91319216
and my dad works for Nintendo, anon!

>>91319216
Shit, never imagined that coming from a guy like him. Guess I can see it though, he always seemed real meek so I could see that resulting in some self esteem issues.

Don't believe you right now but if you got proof that would be interesting to see. If that's a big underlying problem he's dealing with it really makes sense why he stepped down.