Hit me with some good(bad) examples of recent comics doing this!

Piss off

>>91253098
America Chavez
Hellcat

How about you use one of the other million threads, retard?

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Landwhale female superhero meets her role model, HILLARY CLINTON

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>>91253129

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They'd be exactly right. I absolutely don't want their hand-over-fist social justice shoved in my face. And I will continue ignoring Marvel until the duration of this edgy phase ends.

>>91253098
>lets turn everyone black and female
>wah why isnt it selling FUCKING RACSIST

I like how they make it sound like we're the bad guys here
If you had well written characters and stories I wouldn't care what race/gender/sexuality they were
But no
We have characters who's entire "personality" is based solely on their race/gender/sexuality and that they're "so much better" than the hero who they're legacy-ing

>>91253156
What the fuck?!
Seriously, how can someone like this?

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havent read it, but this sounds like that to me?

"omg muh immigrants are people" leftist agenda? tell me if im wrong

>>91253231
What the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>91253231
> Please tell me if I like something!!

>>91253098
Why should i read some r63 as a replacement with a bad writing and no substance?

>>91253156
>Holy Menstruation

>>91253248

i saw the cover and, knowing how extremely SJW comics have become in the last 3 years, i thought "they made a story where superman is a metaphor for immigrants since hes technically an illegal alien, and we'll make eveyone empathize with immigrants through superman"

but i dont know that this is the case, cuz i only saw the cover, so i might be completely off

>>91253288

1/10 made me respond.

>>91253156
That's fucking bad.

>>91253288
No it's not like that
There's a storytime of it currently up right now on this very board

>>91253129
what did you really want out of a Hellcat book?

>>91253329
What's worse is that it's getting 10/10 reviews from comic sites, while users give it a 4/10.

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>>91253338
oh, sweet

Guess Marvel is way worse at it

those fucks

>>91253098
>Doing it right
Pre-Secret Wars Ms Marvel

>Doing it wrong
Post-Secret Wars Ms Marvel

>>91253342
For it to stop existing.

>>91253098

Yep and I won't be reading any of their books till all this shit is gone

>>91253098
If by "diversity" he means "stupid editorial mandates based on pure market research that unnecessarily hamper the creativity of their bests assets by imposing shoe-horned shallow caricatures into their works" then yeah, I've been alienated by it. Unless you're a drooling, mouth-breathing, far-sniffing /pol/tard you're not going to have a problem with diversity. What you will have a problem with is the blatant, low-effort pandering that doesn't serve the story in any meaningful way.

>>91253365
Oh hey, that screencap from a Digital First series that no one read has appeared again!

>>91253288
Holy shit, you're an idiot.

>>91253342
Not slice of life, everyone is gay and has highlights.

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>>91253156
>>91253365

>mfw I understand what drove /pol/ to their madness now

>>91253231
>>91253288
(You)

>>91253365
Yes this post is accurate
Image unrelated obviously though

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>>91253156
>Holy menstruation

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How to write dialouge 101

>>91253434
So you understand how fucking pathetic they are then to get upset by something so stupid, so irrelevant and easily ignored? Good.

>>91253365
Still mad at this, it's way too much out of character, an honorable warrior wouldn't never do this.

>>91253486
You seem upset

>>91253144
DELET THIS

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>>91253486

Your red nose is showing.

>>91253486
the entire industry that you are a fan of (based on you being here) is actively working against you, trying to "reject" your fandom, and make different people like it.

its as if Lynyrd Skynyrd said "fuck all you rednecks, we hate rednecks now. We're gonna start making music for mexicans, and shit on rednecks constantly". Youre the redneck in this situation

>>91253588
>the entire industry that you are a fan of

Marvel is the entire industry? Who knew!

>>91253588
In other words, the /co/ safe space is being invaded.

>>91253288
>Judging a book by it's cover

>>91253098
Diversity is not the reason Marvel sales are tanking. If that were true, DC would be in the same boat, but they're not. I mean, its main Green Lanterns book is a buddy cop story about a Muslim man falsely accused of terrorism, and an agoraphobic Latina woman living with anxiety. And it's actually great. Cyborg has a legitimately good solo book right now, and the majority of the book concerns black characters living in Detroit. But more importantly, the authors of these characters are taking their time to flesh out these stories, and not rushing them into any events or line-wide crossovers. Meanwhile, Riri Williams spun out of Civil War II, an ungodly trainwreck of an event that fans almost universally reviled. That crossover left a bad taste in everyone's mouths, and considering that like Civil War II, Riri's comic is also written by Bendis, it's not surprising people aren't very receptive. Similarly, the Miles Morales book is also written by Bendis (and similarly shoved into Civil War II without much of a reason for him being there). But what I think is the most important about these characters that Marvel is screwing up, is that they have no idea of the concept of patience. Kamala Khan was a superhero for all of three weeks before she was asked to join the Avengers, and then suddenly became a massive player in the Marvel Universe. That doesn't feel natural, it feels like a character that's being pushed on us. After all, Kamala was supposed to be a fangirl at heart. Suddenly being the celebrity is a jarring shift. The only reason it's worked out is because her writer, G. Willow Wilson, is actually good at her job, and has kept Kamala's solo book on an even keel.

Fuck Marvel. They'll go ahead and blame the market, they'll blame DC comics, they'll blame their fans for not wanting diversity, but they never blame themselves for writing bad stories.

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>>91253098
lol enjoying your cuck shit i tried to warn you and you laughed at me

@91253662
LMFAO @ YOU STILL.

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see, there's two types of diversity.

there's "here's a new black female superhero Miss Awesome ain't she cool"

and then there's "here's a new black female character, she's IronMan now"

any sane person could tell you why one works and the other is rejected

>>91253486
Yeah, keep calling them pathetic, that will fix everything.

>>91253156
>holy menstruation
How something that fucks up women each month can be holy?

If anything can be named holy, it's conception, something that fucks up women each month and something men throw away like it was nothing on a regular basis join together to form life.

This comic its retarded, I can't even see a women saying her menstruation its holy, if anything they fucking hate those days.

>>91253721

Fucking
This

Why can't they just introduce actually fresh and likable characters than fucking with predefined ones. Like how Rowling just up and said "lol hermione is Black now" after what? 20 years of her locked into everyone's mind with a mental image.

>>91253156
What the fuck is up with her (((nose)))?

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>>91253699
can't even reply enjoy your comic industry being destroyed from with in by commies

>>91253721
>there's "here's a new black female superhero Miss Awesome ain't she cool"

That doesn't always work either, you have to make the reader like her and think she's cool instead of just saying it until the reader believes it or not

Look at Kamala

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>>91253486
Excelsior, true believer.

@91253810
>laughs at you
>you respond by giving me a (YOU)
LMFAO

>>91253588

I don't generally factor the politics of the creators or the corporations that employ them into my media consumption choices. I generally read books and listen to music based mostly on whether or not I'm enjoying the book or the music.

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>so hip

this is why conservatism is the "new cool"

>>91253721
Neither of those work because they highlight the race.

Why is it so hard for people to write characters who belong to minority groups without going to 70s blacksploitation levels of pandering to do it?

>>91253342
Remember the Immonen Hellcat book? That is what I wanted.

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>>91253904
>This campus is a SAFE SPACE!
>For everyone but YOU!

>>91253829
>thumbnail
I don't even know why this edit exists, but it amuses me.

>>91253810
How is any of this communist? This is just typical neoliberal commodification of minority culture to sell it to people who are "woke".

>>91253799
Because they want the new characters NOW and can't be bothered planning ahead by getting new characters over as a part of a team or starting them out as a villain or any of the other tried and true methods of getting someone new over. It'd help if they had some kind of successful anthology book to test characters out in but they ultimately eat shit too quickly or are too obviously a "PLEASE LOVE THIS CHARACTER" rather than a testing ground.

>>91253966
I almost never get a chance to post it either.

>>91253904
I mean... do these people never stop, read this shit out loud and say to themselves "gee, that's fucking retarded"?

>>91253904

tell me this is an edit

>>91253484
This actually made me laugh. I'm trying to come up with alternatives to cursing around my son and it seems like something I'd say.

>>91254015
Wasn't that the point? These were bad guys, weren't they?

>>91253904
Except those were the villains and they were making fun of sensitive liberals.

>>91253904
Yeah, because pretending to worship a frog and calling a 70 grandpa who spends his time getting mad on Twitter and golfing your daddy is fucking rad.

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>>91253904
>the Bombshells are here to teach you some tolerance -- OR ELSE!

>>91253904
I genuinely hate this page can point out who reads comics in this thread, cause those were strawmen bad guys for that issue, and it was fucking hilarious.

>>91253144
Wow. I don't hate Hillary and I still think she would act more like Lex Luthor.

>>91254075
Ignore the howling on both sides and just go about your life being mildly irritated by the dumbasses, like everyone else.

>>91254036
They were, pay that anon no mind, he's the type of anon to bitch about shit he doesn't even read.

>F-fuck you, we didn't want your racist money anyways

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

>>91253925
Fucking this
I am very happy to read books starring diverse characters (Green Lanterns, New Super-Man, i'd read a war machine solo if there was one...)
I am simply not interested in reading books ABOUT the fact that their characters are diverse (Nu-Marvel)

>>91254075

well, Poe´s law and all that shit.

>>91254075
It depends on what comics you read but in general /co/ and retards from pol don't read comics.

>>91253925

It isn't. People do it all the time. All that's going on here is that weak writers are being hired for the strength of their ideas, and they're just ultimately failing to convert a premise that could have sold books into a well written story.

From an editorial perspective, mediocre books are inevitable when trying to keep up the volume of output. At least this way books garner attention by being politically or culturally charged instead of simply fizzling and dying like every other bad book.

>>91253156

>Holy Menstruation

This would be like if those evil patriarchal cultures said shit like "Holy Ejaculation"

>>91253144

Isn't her LI a handsome fit guy? Such hypocrisy.

>>91253161
>And I will continue ignoring Marvel until the duration of this edgy phase ends.
>edgy phase
This current trend in comics is the complete opposite of edgy. Rape stories are dead, unless it's a guy getting raped. There are no hard-hitting dramatic twists. All the stories now are about accepting various races and sexual preferences. It's about becoming a big safe, quirky hugbox, fighting against the tyranny of straight white males.

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STOP CLAIMING HIM YOU DAMN COMMIES

>>91253231
>>91253288
Well, here's your chance to see just how far off the mark you shot it.
>>91248127

>>91253098
Some of my favorite books are female lead.

But they're actually well written.

>>91254036
>>91254131
Yeah but given the wider context of the comic it's in, it still comes across as insanely hypocritical.

>>91253721
more accurately, there's
>here's a new character, let's show you how cool this new character is and tell you a great story about this new character. oh yeah, and the new character just happens to be [minority]. (eg: New Super-Man)

and then there's
>here's a new black female superhero, Miss Awesome, who's so awesome we're going to have everyone tell you how awesome she is and you're just going to have to accept it. If you don't like her you're RACIST and SEXIST (eg America)
and
>here's a new black female superhero, Miss Legacy Replacement, who is so much smarter/better than the guy she's replacing and if you don't agree you're RACIST and SEXIST (eg, Ironheart)

Marvel's going with the latter two, using diversity as a crutch and a scapegoat to excuse bad writing/art. They're blaming the audience for being racist instead of taking the blame for churning out shit books with shit writing and shit art.

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>>91253994
cultural Marxism try keep up old man

>>91253196
This

>>91254222
That jihadi kid on the left is smug as fuck

>>91253144
Is this real?

>>91254277
Why does he have a bomb vest? Is this an edit?

Marvel Diversity push POWER RANKINGS

Gwenpool
Captain Falcon
Kamala Ms Marvel
Cho Hulk
Moon Girl
Hawkeye Girl
Miles Morales, Spiderman-- Baseline. Since Miles is so decompressed that he practically does NOTHING, all shit below this line is worse than nothing.

Squirrel Girl
A force
Carol Danvers Captain Marvel

--- HERE THERE BE DRAGONS
Post Manara SpiderWoman
Whor
Mockingbird
Patsy Walker, Hellcat
Riri iron man
Champions
America Chavez, Solo run


--
Not sure where to place, because I haven't read enough

X-23 wolverine
Mosaic
Gay Iceman
Vivi.
Tai Nehi Coates Black Panther

Discuss Bitch, Make DC version. Call me a faggot.

>>91253365
doesnt the lasso make people speak only the truth

>>91254235


Which ones right now? I like Shade,
and Elektra right now

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>>91253144
imagine the smell...

I'll tell you when I'll go back to Marvel. Reset the Avengers back a few years. Bring back the X-Men of the 1990s thereabouts (the real X-Men). Bring back Wolverine from the dead. And abandon the diversity push. As an ethnic minority (hispanic), I don't give a shit about seeing "my people" represented. I want to see the characters I've grown up with fight evil and save the world.

The world's already filled with too much social commentary. Let's go back to the beautiful simplicity of the X-Men fighting Magneto on Asteroid M or something, lead by a Cyclops who isn't a madman and a Professor X who isn't treated like dogshit by everyone around him.

Or hell they can just have the Void Come back, kill everybody and reboot it.

The fact that Marvel isn't doing that, in my eyes, is the most damning indictment. Whenever they publish new minority characters, the books struggle and usually fail. They almost never are able to stand on their own two feet for long.

When Marvel has to sneak them over the border by having them don the guises of classic characters (and supplant them), it's a cynical admission of failure on Marvel's part about their inability to get readers to embrace wholly new characters. They just can't make them popular, so they remove the element of choice. Now the ongoing adventures of Thor is She-Thor, and if you want to read about Thor, that's your only option.

>>91254189
/co/ does read comics. People on /co/ just feel the need to discuss comics they haven't read with just as much vehemence as the ones they have.

Saying "well you didn't read it!" is just an easy route for someone with shit taste to defend themselves. Don't give those people the option.

>>91254222

>Pro muslim
>Pro gay

They didn't think this one through, did they?

>>91254345

They need to restore 616, this new world of theirs is shit

>>91254328
Gwenpool, Nova and Silk are the only ones worthwile

>>91254328
I forgot Spider Gwen, and Silk, because they're completely forgettable.

>>91254367

this is the kind of people who think the hijab is empowering

you know, a symbol of modesty culture, elevated by people who used to burn bras on the street

>>91253365
>mansplaining
thats an actual thing but I just call it "talking over people to appear smarter" to not raise any eyebrows.

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>>91253156
Seriously Marvel, fire this colorist.

>>91253647
To be fair CyBorg got dropped from bimonthly to monthly because people aren't buying it and people bitch about Cyborg constantly.

It's not 100% of either. Some fans won't buy books with minority characters period or will preemptively bitch about it (ask people about how they reacted to Mighty Avengers or Ultimates, or Ms. Marvel before they actually started reading it.) Some judge purely on quality. But some good books struggle regardless like Ghost Riders original run and them being minority led doesn't seem to help.

>>91254328
I'll try to make a DC one.
New Super-Man is Asian but it's not marketed to be an in your face diversity plug, and he's not replacing another well-loved character. And His story is actually good. (written by an Asian writer also)

I'll give you that they fucked up with black Wally and they realize that hence the original returning.

Um the new Doctor Fate was like Arabic or something...? I don't know as his book was barely advertised and he probably doesn't even exist anymore as a different (original looking) Doctor Fate has been appearing in Blue Beetle.

Um... Harley and Poison Ivy are lesbians?

>>91254409
It shouldn't be gendered because women pull that shit all the time too. If I'm being completely honest and totally aware of my own bias, I actually think women do that more than men.

>>91254328
Coates' BP can stay at the bottom

>>91254406
I believe Spider-Gwen had potential. But instead they shoved crossovers and interdimentional shit down her throat instead of just having it be an alternate telling of the Spider-Man story. Silk was doomed once she became Peter's talking fleshlight.

>>91254456
Forgot about Green Lanterns, a Muslim man with tattoos and a Hispanic woman with anxiety, would be insufferable if they were they only GLs but nope, pretty much every other GL appears in Hal's book.

>>91253904
These are the badguys, right? Or is this some kind of commentary?
Even if not, this is honestly pretty great. It's just so on-the-nose it's hilarious.

>>91253904

>adults and old people finally start being "progressive"

>kids are disgusted and become conservative

>>91254441
Are yu seriously this mad? grow up.

I'm glad they realised this but it's far too late to get those back. The Marvel movies were a ONCE IN A LIFETIME chance to bring casuals into comics, if they want to read Iron Man or Thor they won't read blackgirl or cancerwoman

The reality is they can't write to save their life, if they could they wouldn't need to leverage the brand of other characters for their shitty diversity chars

>>91254481
Why? It's decent and technically doesn't even count as a new character.

Also you can disagree as to how well it achieves it's goals but it's trying to be a good story and investigate interesting themes. You can't say its lazy at least.

>>91254245
How does any of this help the working class seize the means of production, my man?

Cheesecake.

>>91253144
>Superhero.

Then why is she talking to an evil mastermind?

>>91254568
Yes, you find garbage in a garbage dump. It's no surprise.

>>91254509
>how dare people say shitty art is shitty

>>91253486
>Like, who even has time for principles, everyone should just like, not care about their society like me

>>91254568
>or she
Fuck off tumblr

>>91253615
Safe spaces are enforced faggot, if this was a safe space you would be banned for making that comment.

And don't think we don't notice you posting this "checkmate, atheists" tier shitpost in every thread, you don't know what you're talking about and it makes you look like a retard.

>>91254547
What's the problem here?

>>91254627
>how dare someone make a mistake they should lose their job because it upset me

>>91253783
I think you're reading too much into this, anon.

When people go "Holy shit!" or "Holy fuck!" they're not saying shitting and fucking is holy, it's just an epithet. I think I get what the writer was trying to do, trying to put menstruation on a culturally-accepted level. But she fucked it up. Badly.

First, as in 'shit' and 'fuck', we generally don't want to talk about any sort of bodily releases in any great detail.

Secondly, 'holy menstruation' is a terrible line. We don't say 'holy defecation!' or 'holy fornication!'. It's too long. It should be something simpler, a slang term. But the problem with using a sleeker, simpler slang is that no one reading it will know what you're referencing and that loses the writer all their points for being so open and progressive.

Too long version: you're reading too much into the holy part, but the line is still a dog's breakfast

>>91254503
That's how it's always been.

Youth culture will always go against the established norm.

>>91254456
I think The Ray is gay now. I don't know if anybody really likes him enough to care though.

>>91254670
Well it is their only job

/Co/, name one minority character that has been written well by white man.

I'll wait.

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>>91253098
> why isn't our product selling?
> It must be because our customers are bad and wrong
Jesus wept.

>>91254670
>someone making bad art decisions in an industry that revolves around art and whose work is being posted everywhere and being presented as a face for the company shouldn't be fired
Are you fucking serious right now?

>>91253144
that's the look of a woman that has lost all faith.

>>91254039
>Conservatism is /pol/.

Yeah, no.

What anon said is right, we're seen the younger generation lean towards things that are deemed "Anti-PC" more and more. Just think of the famous Youtube channels that most kids watch.

Idubbbztv. Jontron. Filthy Frank. MaxMoeFoe ect. ect. ect. There's definitely an Anti-PC trend going on with them.

>>91254564
It doesn't, it along with everything else they stand for helps the rich and only the rich.

It's almost mind boggling how they've managed to turn people who think of them as the biggest problem with society into their stormtroopers. But they managed it.

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>>91254568
It's almost like people don't look for this when they want a Galactus story, huh.

>>91254745
So wouldn't that just make the current generation growing up more liberal or even leftist then, seeing as the Republicans are the ones in control of all branches of the government?

>>91254785
I am still waiting, /co/.

>>91254811
The only one of those I've heard of is Jontron and only because he did video game stuff.

His current fanbase only liked him because of his video game stuff.

Nobody gives a shit about these jackasses' political views.

Really the thing I hate the most about how they push diversity is when they do a bad story, which is more often than not, you can't give it any criticisms without a bunch of people going off on you saying you only dislike it because you're racist/sexist/ableist/what the fuck ever ist. There's always been more shit stories than good ones but now you can't even call out the shit ones for being shit.

>>91253144

>Landwhale

She can fly, she's a Skywhale.

>>91254610
>evil mastermind

>tfw too smart to win against Donald Trump

>>91254838
you can't even wait one minute. fuck off

>>91254568
>what's wrong with they
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE FUCKING WORD IS FOR, THAT'S WHAT fuck that triggers me hard

>>91253288
>>91253231
And this is why nobody takes you /pol/ niggers seriously

>>91254811
So your entire argument hinges around edgy children watching edgy Youtubers who occasionally say the word "faggot" but still vote for people like Hillary in private becoming the new vanguard of conservatism?

>>91254785

>implying non-white and non straight characters are so completely different from whites that they can never, ever be written well by them
>non-whites and non-straights are virtually alien creatures to whites can can never truly be understood by them

Anon, I tell you what. That is some top-level bigotry right there.

>>91254864
Because you cant name one. Riri and others tanked because she/they were written by a white man.

Hire more PoCs. Ms. Marvel is/was doing great sales wise.

>>91254785
Whites

>>91254853

dont know the others but Iddubz got 20 million views on one of his recent videos

youtube is no laughing matter, even if kids mostly use it to watch LP´s

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>>91253904
This is too much.
I seriously can't believe the person writing this doesn't understand the hypocrisy.
Was it written by a kid? Was the editor and the publisher kids?

I legitimately can't comprehend how someone went through life without realising what's wrong with that.

Was it written, edited and published by overly rich, sheltered people who went through life having whatever they want and never being questioned?

It's just too much. I can't fathom it.

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>>91254821
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3790614/They-don-t-like-drugs-gay-marriage-HATE-tattoos-Generation-Z-conservative-WW2.html

Mainstream society is still pretty damn liberal. That's not going to happen until the next generation.

>>91254814
Perhaps it is not communism, but liberalism, which is an entirely different entity from communism? I mean, do you honestly think people who love people like Hillary want to see the end of capitalism?

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>>91253098
Mockinbird

>>91254867
Except it is, it's an acceptable term for a singular person with unknown gender, it has been since Shakespearian times, and it currently is in several dictionaries, so fuck off.

>>91254903
It was not "A" mistake, it was several mistakes in THE SAME ISSUE. The colorist should at least be getting reprimanded, that shit is ridiculous.

>>91254554
Lets sketch this out a bit.


Midnighter
New Chinese Superman
Green Lanterns


Cyborg --Miles Moralez Horizon.

Black Wally


Not sure where this goes.

Black Canary
Bombshells
Black Power Girl
Bluebird
Duke --not a Robin
Gotham Academyu
Batwoman?

>>91254022
That's always fun. We stole "Fudge" from ATHF for "Fuck" and now use "Pita" instead of "Pain in the ass"

>>91254239

New Super-Man isn't a minority though. He's a Chinaman living in China.

>>91254748
True, also I feel like the first arc of Justice League of America is a little bit too on-the-nose...

Batman and his mixed race/mixed gender team has to fight "The Extremists".

Like come on...

>>91254804
Jesus Christ, just grow up, anon. IT WAS A MISTAKE, everyone makes them in the course of their career and she shouldn't lose hers over this.

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>>91254785
Blue Beetle

>>91253904
Doing what the fuck you want will always be cool. It's that the authoritarian torch has been passed to the left

>>91254821
You think kids know or care about that shit? They're railing against social norms, that's what kids always do.

The difference is that progressiveness became the new social norm.

>literally making it sound like diversity is the main cause
Jesus Christ, even my mother knows that it's shit when the character is nothing but their "diverse" trait rather than having that trait be a part of their character.

I want an issue where Cap is treated as a Nazi for his conservative pre-war values and in response he just gives up the shield.

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>>91254785
All the characters were pretty great, but I think Monica stood out as one of the highlights for me.

>>91254568
It's odd how much I hate the writing for this, yet don't mind Ryan North on Jughead. I know my dislike isn't just for Henderson's shitty deviantart tier scribbles, though that book is better now that she's no longer on it.

>>91254853
His social media sometimes has him make jokes about it.

But the other three I posted solely make fun of SJWs and bad youtubers.

That and they're known for eating cake made out of their own vomit.

>>91255007
One.

Just one.

LOL.

>Make bad comics
>Make bad business decisions
>Try to shame your core fanbase into paying you anyway

What's the endgame?

>>91254883
>Youtubers who occasionally say the word "faggot" but still vote for people like Hillary in private

How do you know who they voted for?

>>91254785
The Runaways.

>>91254785

cassandra cain

>>91254409
>thats an actual thing but I just call it "talking over people to appear smarter" to not raise any eyebrows.
You're a fucking idiot, the word's meaning is "a man trying to explain something to a woman"

It's literally a term coined by femenazi fucks and the left picked it up because they're self hating pricks. What you're describing is talking over somebody while being condescending.

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>>91254861
Zepplin. They call her that in universe.

>>91254785
>>91255064

Don't be such a bigot anon.

>>91254670
>someone who does their job poorly should continue to be employed

>>91255064
Who fucking gives a shit?
Why should we write ANY black heroes or have ANY black authors?
Write your own shit

>>91254564
Silly anon, it's no longer about working class, capitalists and wealth.

It's about cultural suppressed people, cultural top-dogs and , cultural superiority.

After all, lots of these neoliberals are rich folks, they wouldn't want you to discuss wealth as a divider, because they benefit from that, so just focus on other stuff.

I'll take it a step further.

ATTENTION EVERYONE

I doth declare that this focus on identity politics as opposed to class/wealth struggle is just a ploy by rich folks to channel the inherent rebelliousness of the youth into bullshit stuff, so that a) they don't focus on rich/poor divide that benefits rich people and b) they help create unified work with unified workers and customers so that the rich people can profit more from them.

Especially a) though.

No, seriously. That's the reason for these trends.

A ploy by rich folk to stay rich and not get challenged.

>>91254568
Such quirky writing and art, hehe.

>>91254903
>I shouldn't lose mine over this
uh

>>91253123
>tries to stop the thread
>fails miserably

I hope you die

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>>91253144
>that look on her face

>>91254903
>>91254958
>>91255006
Three times, still wrong.

If people are bad at their jobs, they should get properly trained to not be bad or, barring that, they should be fired for being bad. Just because the job in question is being an artist doesn't mean they should be an exception and get a free pass.

>>91254785

Black Manta by Geoff Johns.

>>91254944
>Biclops
Every god damn time.

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>>91253231
This has nothing to do with what you said, good going. It's the best Supes story in a long while, try it out.

>>91255200
>>91255125
Alright, whatever, this discussion is over. Piss off.

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>>91254883
>I like their content so clearly they have the same political views as me privately.

>>91253721
They could have done the black female iron man and have it actually be good and make sense, have Rhodey's niece take up the mantle. But if they did that then Bendis would never get a check every time someone else used them in a story. Thus Riri. They don't really care about diversity, they're just trying to use it to look good while getting a check.

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>>91255243
Concession noted, faggot.

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>>91253959
>>91254015
>>91254016
>>91254037
>>91254039
>>91254045
>>91254075
>>91254499
>>91254503
>>91254911
>>91255008

For all of you confused at this, this showed up in Sam Wilson's cap book written by resident giga cuck Nick Spencer.

Although they're the bad guys, and are treated as such, Wilson condones their cause, but doesn't like their actions, which is still retarded.

>>91254956
No, tumblr, YOU are fake news.

Also your grammar is shit.

>>91255096
http://victimsofcommunism.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/VOC-Attitudes-toward-Socialism-Topline-Data.pdf

Seems like they're headed for socialism, m8.

>>91254925
They still don't stand for further consolidation of power into the hands of the wealthy, but that's pretty much every single "liberal" position nowadays. There's not a single one that would do anything but that, yet all the useful idiots think they're fighting these people

>>91254037
The satire falls flat when some of the shit they said is eerily similar to shit Spencer has shat upon his twitter feed.

>>91254785
Amanda Waller

>>91255005

Nah it's great. The Marvel villains are feeling the sinking ship which is the Marvel universe and Batman and the JLA aren't letting them get a foothold in the DC universe.

It's one of the finest jabs at Marvel in recent history, because DC is doing Marvel better than Marvel cause they're actually using Marvel's villains.

>>91255300
What the fuck does this have to do with the Youtubers in question?

>>91255243
Don't be mad just cause you got owned.

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>>91255243
>deletes his old posts and tells the people who responded to him to fuck off
I needed these keks. Thanks newfriend

>>91253186
them being black and female isn't the problem, and if that is actually the problem for you, you might actually be racist. it's the half baked writing that exists to pander to a very specific group.

>>91254407
2nd wave bra burners are not the people promoting "modesty culture". those women were against all abrahamic religion, islam included. it's all just people who think everyone's a mean, intolerant bully trying to hurt the poor muslim feelings.

>>91255005
That's only cause you haven't read enough with the Extremists in it, they've always been a Marvel Villain parody team so my first instinct was "Oh shit, Batman, Lobo, Vixen, Canary, Atom, Ray, and Killer Frost are gonna stomp analogues of Doom, Ock, Sabretooth, and others."

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>>91255135
PAY ATTENTION TO MY INSIGHT, FAGGOTS!

>>91255376
I thought /mlp/ was their sister board.

>>91254785
>People have posted Waller
>No one mentions John Fucking Stewart

Anon, do you even READ comics? Because if you are trying to say John Stewart isn't the best GL, you are a faggot.

I think what's going on is that new readers are hard to find; the monthly cape comic format is dying and they tried to be hip and fresh enough to attract new readers assuming the straight white male majority wouldn't mind. It got some new readers, but it also lost old readers. Handling diversity the way they did made for some good huffington post clickbait articles, but the base didn't like it. The cool kids they were after were too cool for comics, so the result was a net loss.

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>>91254785

Name one white character that's been written well by a minority

I'll wait.

>>91254867
It's been used that way for centuries though...

>>91255339
Sorry, accidentally replied to you. I was aiming at some other guy that I'm too lazy to find now.

But, as for Youtubers, I know h3h3 definitely was a Hillaryman, JonTron's too much of a money-loving coward to be openly Nazi on his channel, idubbbz and FilthyFrank come off as more edgy than right-wing, and so on. I'd agree that Youtubers have a dumb "I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative" trend despite those being incompatible ideologies at their fundamental level, but I don't think the kids are gonna get redpilled or whatever the fuck it is because JonTron whines about black people on his Twitter or whatever.

>>91255300
>11. Q11: How likely would you be to vote for a presidential candidate who described him or
herself as the following?

>Socialist: 38% likely
>Capitalist: 59% likely.

Was getting caught part of your plan?

>>91255454
Del Taco does a pretty good job.

>>91255440

They're the hard mode path in the visual novel that is board romance, and will have to compete with /lgbt/ for true love.

>>91255135
no its not that elaborate

you have a culture of infantilized adults who have grown up being told they are (1) special (2) dope at everything (3) deserve a medal for coming in last place

these people have always had an authority figure to guard over them, unlike people from earlier generations, who at some point were forced into adults situations at younger ages. but this new generation hasnt, and so when they hit university and become intellectually challenged, they do what they always have: go to their authority figure, in this case the ACTUAL authorities. and by bitching and moaning, they get attention, and their behavior is "rewarded", perpetuating it

having playgrounds be made entirely of soft objects allowed this culture to spring forth

>>91254785
Bane.

>>91255429

tldr

>>91255135

This is actually true.

>>91255481
Overton window is still shifting left, mate. All it takes is for some center-leftie reformist like Bernie get elected and it'll go even further.

>>91255501
But the universities don't challenge them.
The universities coddle their bullshit.

>>91255551
yes i know, but every now and then some fellow student does, and by going & bitching, the infantilized SJWs have those people silenced immediately

all im saying is, its not some conspiracy. its simple sociology

>>91255135
>>91255507
>tldr

He means tumblrtards are rich, powerful, and privileged, and are just using social justice as a wedge to keep themselves in power.

>>91253365
So a man speaking, even when telling the truth, is mansplaining or whatever?

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>>91255452
>Because if you are trying to say John Stewart isn't the best GL, you are a faggot.

DCAU shill detected. Jon Steward has no fucking character in the comics.

There's only one interesting Green Lantern and he's pic related.

Who is half Hispanic so he's also a minority according to Amerifats who don't understand that the oldest city in the United States was built by the Spanish

>>91255642
Even if there is no one else nearby to hear the words, yes.

>>91254785
Constantine, midnighter, Wonder Woman (bisexual in theory)...

>>91254345
>and if you want to read about Thor, that's your only option.

There was that Unworthy Thor series that I think ended just a few weeks back. But man was its ending dumb as hell.

>>91254861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EBy1lBXgtE

>>91255657
Go back and read John when he was first introduced, and try telling me again he has no character.

>pushing KYLE of all GLs
Fuck your special snowflake.

>>91255454

Anyone Priest writes. So currently Deathstroke.

Gail Simone is bisexual isn't she, so Catman and Deadshot.

Could it be that the distribution method of comics led to this? Interests in sci-fi was traditionally a white male thing and subsequently comics were dominated by straight white males. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but the fact that comics were largely seen as speciality items from specialty stores, it fostered a culture of straight white males. The bigger slice of the marketing pie the core viewership lost the more interest they lost, the more sales were lost.

>>91255540
>All it takes is for some center-leftie reformist like Bernie get elected and it'll go even further.

This is all assuming that he does well in office and meets everyone's expectations. Also, the survey posted doesn't really explain where the survey took place and how many people partook in said survey.

>>91254453
>people bitch about Cyborg constantly.

What are the complaints? I'm going to guess they're mainly "Why isn't he saying Booya every five seconds like I remember in the cartoon?". I remember when they pushed Starfire in the comics for all of five minutes people bitched because she was different than the cartoon.

>>91255480
>"I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative" trend despite those being incompatible ideologies at their fundamental level

What? No they're not.

Being socially liberal means you believe in gay rights and shit like that and being fiscally conservative means you believe in the invisible hand of the free market and shit like that.

>>91255715
Don't underestimate the effect of the comics code and the colapse of women's comics several decades ago.

>>91254785
Miles Morales

>>91255540
Bernie was actually bigger on financially lefty stuff than on identity politics and the sjws preferred YAAAS QUEEN to him.

>>91255834
Because /pol/ wants to convince people that they can't be a fan of capitalism without ALSO being a lunatic who wants to kill jews and ship anyone with a darker skin color than "siberian snowdrift" out of the country. It's a win-win for them: if it works the way they want it to, they get new blood, and if it pushes people the other direction, it justifies their belief that they're the enlightened elite fighting against the evil ZOG.

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>>91255888
>Miles Morales

>Written well.

He's literally the worse character Marvel has right now.

>>91255411
>them being black and female isn't the problem, and if that is actually the problem for you, you might actually be racist. it's the half baked writing that exists to pander to a very specific group.
It is when you're killing off all your old characters or shoving said females in that orle to be progressive without actually giving a shit about the content.

Just like making something all white is retarded.

>>91254956
You're an attack helicopter

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>>91255888
Bendis, please.

So how long before this gets Marvel dissolved by Disney leaving only Marvel Studios behind?

>>91255920
What if I'm financially liberal, VERY liberal, bordering on anarchocommunism, at least socialist by US standards, think stuff like gay rights and women being allowed in the workplace and so on is ok, but sjw safe space /constantly offended/ muh hate speech faggotry is too much?

Oh and I also want more participation of the public through stuff like referendums more often?

>>91255678
Show me one bisexual character with a well-written and lasting relationship with a character of the opposite sex and I'll be impressed.

Because most of the time bisexual is just another word for gay.

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>>91255946
We're in agreement. I might have phrased that badly. The way they're shoehorning in these shallow characters is the issue, not black or female characters in themselves.

>>91255480
>calling JonTron a racist
eat shit faggot, you and all those cuckolds out for his blood need to drink bleach immediately. I watched the entirety of him on the podcast with the professional populist sargon, the who's job it is to oobserve these trends and call shit out. Nothing said was racist, it was all statistically backed usually with references posted in the video. The only reason you and those cuckolds are mad is because he's not sucking minority dick.

>>91255756
>What are the complaints

>Fuck Cyborg, he took Martian Manhunter's spot.
>Fuck Cyborg, John Stewart should be the token at least he's interesting.
>Fuck Cyborg, he has no personality outside of the Teen Titans cartoon.
>Fuck Cyborg, they literally tell the same "wah wah I want to be human and my machine side might disconnect me from that" story.
>Fuck Cyborg, Steel would've been a better token.
>Fuck Cyborg, the justice league doesn't need a black member and if it has to have one they should be well-developed characters.
>Fuck Cyborg, he's only there because the normies will recognize him.
Not the anon you were replying to but these are the complaints I've seen so far.

WOooWWoow

It almost as if most women, trans people, and brown people don't actually buy superhero comics how interadasting

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>>91255958
>implying he's not talking about Joe Kelly

I wish Bendis would allow his pet rent boy to be written by someone else. Slott let his Asian waifu get written by Thompson and she became an enjoyable character.

>>91255920
>Because /pol/ wants to convince people that they can't be a fan of capitalism without ALSO being a lunatic who wants to kill jews
Except they don't you fucking retard. If anything they just hate faggots like you who plug their ears and scream the second they hear something they don't like.

>>91253098
Marvel is still attacking its readers? Do they not want to sell comics at all?

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Okay so you homies need this to be made as simple as possible, I'll even do it in chanspeak so all of you mouthbreathers can understand it.

>marvel writes shit comics that sell like shit
>tells their writers to pander to the progressive crowd with more womyns characters, latinos, blacks, virtue signaling and shoving in as many buzzwords that the new social media revolutionary culture uses while replacing every single established hero with a womyn/black/latino hip safe-space hero
>sales tank because as it turns out those people aren't avid comic book readers

And now they are dealing with this, I'm glad I stopped reading mainline Marvel at Secret Invasion.

>>91256064
>>Fuck Cyborg, Steel would've been a better token.
Not to hop in on this discussion, but I've wanted a Steel solo series since the Death of Superman days.

>>91256118
But he was written the same way everybody else writes him when Kelly wrote him.

Some glorified background character who points out the obvious. The only difference was this time somebody was taking the piss out of the shitty character.

>>91253783
To be fair, there isn't anything holy about shit either. It's still retarded though.

>>91256176
What I mean is let someone else write his ongoing, let him be more than just a co-star, I bet Kelly could write the first Miles run that actually shows him earning his webs.

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>>91255932
>>91255958
I thought he was alright.

>>91256147
>Except they don't you fucking retard. If anything they just hate faggots like you who plug their ears and scream the second they hear something they don't like.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. /pol/ is just the right version of Tumblr. They get upset when companies allow liberals to work for them just Tumblr gets upset when companies allow conservatives to work for them. Everything Tumblr does that's bad, /pol/ does the bizarro version.

>>91256232
Nothing wrong with him other that he's kinda boring. Don't really feel he has any character traits.

>>91256223
And my point is that not even Kelly knows what to do with Miles. The entire joke of him being there was that there was no point for him to be there.

No one at Marvel knows what to do with that character. They either write him as a shitty Parker clone or they write him as that guy in the background who points out the obvious.

He's the comic equivalent of Kirito.

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>>91254222
YouHaveToGoBack.exe

>>91256176
This. Miles only comes in two flavours: boring as shit or Peter-lite.

Neither is what I'd call "good".

>People okay with racism, sexism, and hating the LGBTQ community and want to see more of the same white people in comics

What's wrong with you people?

>>91256001
That his point show any long lasting relationship in comics period.

You can count them on one hand.

>>91254222
That kid has a bomb on him

>>91256064
You know I kind of don't like that they replaced Manhunter since he's been on the team longer than anyone. Would adding Cyborg without removing anyone really be too many characters for a team book?

>>91256323
>People okay with racism, sexism, and hating the LGBTQ community

The issue is that people don't think these are real, at least institutionally.

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>>91256245
exactly, tumblr's sjw community and /pol/ are like some demented yin and yang

>>91256323
it isn't that, it's the specific way that some of these characters are added. it's very transparently just an attempt at marketing.

>>91255986
I'm all for that. SJWs are fags who take things a million miles too far.

>>91256147
>/pol/ isn't anti-Jewish!

>>119397549
>>119398405
>>119398244
>>119396069
>>119399320

Would you like to rephrase your statement?
>>91256245
This.

>>91256289
I think the problem there is that Bendis holds back any character progression that's made with him that Bendis himself doesn't directly control. Give him to an actual writer and I bet you'll find that a number of people have good ideas for Miles. It's just right now he's creator don't like any of them and wants to keep him as the character that everyone says is already better than Peter.

>>91256385
Damn, didn't know that linking to /pol/ wasn't possible here. Good.

>>91256323
im not a racist or sexist, but i hate pandering, and i hate diversity for the sake of diversity. neither are good things, but stupid retard cunthead moron SJW liberals think it is

>>91256323
Nothing.

>>91255986
That means you're left leaning fiscally and a moderate socially.

>>91256378
>>91256381
>>91256428
>>91256490

You do realize there are people who need these characters to help them along in a world dominated by white men, right?

>>91256623

>the white man controls the world
>the jews control the world
>some force beyond my control is the cause of my failures

>>91256623

You do realize you're retarded right?

>>91256623
So everyone who's not a cis white male is a child?

>>91256623
hahaha kill yourself, faggot

>>91256623
So, those people are total pussies who need fictional characters to help them through life? Gotcha.

>>91256623
if they are that weak, they dont deserve to live

>>91253904
this seems like parody though

>>91254407
>who think the hijab is empowering

I don't think you know what you're talking about

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>>91255454
Deathstroke by Priest, fuck any white character by Priest.

Mcduffie wrote good white characters too, then /co/ and the leech killed him.

>>91253156
>what the holy neonatal circumcision are you doing here?

>>91254222
little edits like this are amazing

>>91255376
Wow you learned how to strawman wew good job

>>91256623
Have you ever thought that maybe the reason you keep failing is because you spend so much time trying to break a "glass ceiling" that only exists in your mind?

>>91256831
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/28/hijab-society-women-religious-political

>>91253410

>THIS

the whole "/pol/ was clearly buying all kinds of comics before these mandates and then stopped when they started" narrative is some serious bullshit.

it's pretty simple to see if you make a lot of unwarranted changes to any work your going risk losing your audience. the amount of people losing interest and dropping titles is likely far more to do with quality drops and excessive changes of any variety to existing leads than some sort of nazi comic buyer backlash.

>>91254785
Magneto.

>>91254239
>here's a new black female superhero, Miss Legacy Replacement, who is so much smarter/better than the guy she's replacing and if you don't agree you're RACIST and SEXIST (eg, Ironheart)
I can't believe how accurate this is to how Marvel is pushing "new" Hawkeye

"This is Hawkeye. Yes her. Only her. That other guy is old and lame and a WHITE MALE. This is totally the new Hawkeye now. Fucking accept it nerd"

>>91257011
>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/28/hijab-society-women-religious-political


yes but it's not empowering in the way you think. Wearing one doesn't make you empowered but consciously choosing to wear one is. Feminism is about free choice and if a woman wears a hijab despite knowing the symbolism behind it then that's where the "empowerment" comes from.

Now if only video games could swing back in the direction of "making actual games for people who play them and not trying to fit an agenda or be Hollywood" we'd be really getting somewhere

>>91253434
my uncle was /pol/ 10 years before i knew about 4chan and he warned me about this shit.

>>91257116
>making actual games for people who play them

So call of duty #10293?

>>91257104

thats what you call mental gymnastics

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I think Mockingbird was my breaking point honestly.

That's when I knew "I can't support these comics anymore. Something is actually wrong here. They don't actually care about what the fans want"

>>91256407
How new are you that you don't know how to cross-board link?

>>91256623
Anyone who "needs" a fictional character to get through real life should just do everyone a favour and kill themselves.

>>91257165
It's just too difficult for you to understand and you need to call it that to make yourself feel better.

>>91254867
Fuck off retard, you're as bad as the tumblr freaks.

>>91256407
>didn't know that linking to /pol/ wasn't possible here
You don't know how to crosslink you fucking idiot

>>91254785
>expecting evil cis white trash do your job instead of you

I just want Aaron off Thor. Also why make the original Nick Fury a villain, he was an old man couldn't he have died happy in his bed not turned into the new watcher. Marvel didn't just force diversity they shit on the classic characters.

there's a difference between natural flowing diversity and good writing and ham-fisted diversity pushing using awful stories at the expense of established characters. It's like making a class with 20 white students and 3 minority ones more diverse by adding more minorities, or making it more diverse by just removing the 20 white kids from the class so you just have a class of 3 diverse students

>>91253783
umm how about you stop trying to mansplaining you mysoginist racist pig trump supporter?

>>91255454
mcduffie wrote the best superman stories in S:TAS

>>91253365

This is from DC?

>>91257011

>a person who grew up around hijabs, and likely wearing one, sees value in them, while admitting no one who is a liberal feminist would likely be into them.

yep clearly the whole of Christendom is now obsessed with the liberating power of the sacred hijab, you clearly aren't sensationalizing this one persons opinion piece into something you can copy paste onto other people with clearly non-compatible views to call them hypocrites.

so sick of every shithead on every side of every argument throwing logic and facts out the widow to push their fucking ISM.

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>>91257129
Wow neoconservatives have the same worldview as a grandpa that's real fucking noteworthy and unexpected

>>91257374
Aaron's a self-loathing white boy from Alabama, of course he's going to hate on every white man he can.

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>>91256407
Jesus fucking Christ /co/mblr

>>91257241

whats difficult for me to understand is the baffling lack of foresight that comes with this line of thinking

I often hear the argument of "normalizartion" used to condemn shit like nazi jokes (in wich nazis are the punchline) to fictional rape (that happens to fictional people), you tell me, why wearing a hijab, even its your personal choice, does not help normalize a culture in wich covering up women is ok.

>>91257241
>Just as the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the horror of the system being realised by those who suffered from it
That argument it's exactly what a mental gymnastics is "it's not that bad because I know how bad it can be"

>>91255955
No I just know fucking English, open a god damn dictionary once in your life.

>>91255292
Get a style guide you armchair editor.

>>91254867
People have used it a person with an unknown gender for a pretty long time.

For example:
>ew, a telelmarketer is calling me
>lol what do you think they want?
>they're probably talking about some dumb shit

>>91257104
It could be true in a way. Not the one they think though. If you have to wear a hijab every day, and you follow the rules of being modest the choices of things you have to wear would be greatly limited. It's been proven that having to choose what yo wear in a day is a huge stresr for women. Not as much for men because they tend to have less choice to begin with.

If women don't have to worry about what to wear they'd worry less about being judged for their choice they can get more shit done during the day.

Of course that could also be accomplished by having a closet of the same t-shirts and shorts

>>91257443
>has wonder woman in the page
>is this from DC?
get out

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>>91257443
>Wonder Woman clearly visible
>Is this from DC?

>>91253231
>"omg muh immigrants are people" leftist agenda
Are you trying to imply that anyone right wing doesn't think immigrants are people?

>>91253365
>Posting something from two years ago
>Something that wasn't even printed

>>91257468
He's a neocon yeah. I used to debate him about topics like this stuff in the thread. I remember when he got pissed about Nick Fury being black since he grew up with the white Nick Fury. But didn't know about the Ultimate universe. He gets pissed about girls kicking guys asses in cartoons and kids tv shows. I explained Legend of Korra and bending to him and how it's plausible for a girl to fuck up a guy in this world. He does try to go along with it. I think he's more reasonable that /pol/tier posters.

But there's times he's absolutely right. And I enjoy our conversations. He's a nerd that didn't have an outlet like we do. So he still loves to hear about all this even if it pisses him off.

>>91257518
If I were an ant, I'd express my desire to slip my dick inside her mouth and never take it out.

>>91255376

That's a big strawman

>>91257527
Because by that logic you're also normalizing CHOICE.

Women should be allowed to CHOOSE how much they want to be covered up or exposed.

Think of it this way. Abortion rates fall once pro-choice policies get pushed through. Shouldn't abortions be normalized since they're being accepted? Wouldn't that be horrible? But no, that's not what ended up happening, the choice of an abortion and the support system around it dissolved an environment that made people feel forced to act a certain way and then snap too far in the other direction when things go wrong for them.

Likewise, pressuring women into being slutty all the time will just cause them to snap too far into wearing a hijab, just as pressuring women into being hijabi could potentially make them snap into being sluts.

I knew it was going to alienate readers as soon as I heard it was going to happen. The worst part about it is that it means they are treating the readers like trained seals and show a total lack of respect for the material. You'd have to have zero respect for the Iron Man property to decide to turn Iron Man into a Black Woman in a pandering attempt.

>>91257514
My point is people by and by dont mind diversity, but they want to read about Odinson when they pick up a Thor comic. Marvel made diversity the main point when it should be a background thing, the focus of the comic should be Thor Odinson fighting ice giants and being tricked by Loki.

>>91255625
He voted for Hillary. He mentioned it in a video after the election.

>>91257527
It doesn't normalize in western culture because western women won't allow that to happen and neither would the men. People are aware that majority of muslim countries are wrong in how it treats people.

FYI I'm not a super liberal who thinks using nazi jokes and fictional rape normalize things. But I do see how telling people not to wear something that they want to wear is kind of ironic to feminism.

>>91257807
Did they ever show how Riri is going to work her hair into the helmet or will she just shave her hair? I don't have the desire to waste energy on finding it out.

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>>91257733
I don't remember asking about any of this I'm just making fun of the notion that an old guy having an old viewpoint being treated as something not entirely typical.

>>91257853
>It doesn't normalize in western culture because western women won't allow that to happen and neither would the men.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

You're talking about countries where shooting a convicted child rapist who you find in your 6 year old daughters bedroom at night is counted as murder, and where going to a Muslim's house to get your 13 year old away from the rape gets you arrested for disturbing the peace.

>>91254921
>Survey taken in the UK
>Most popular boy's name in UK is now Muhammad

By Allah, I wonder why those kids are more conservative?

>>91257796

but in the case of the hijab you are normalizing choice to those who already believe in it

those who dont see their beliefs validated, and then get the impression that their shit is tolerated for the wrong reasons, you could apply that to nazi jokes or rape, but keep in mind that nazis and rapists are not being treated as a protected class.