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clearly the answer is just more diversity

>>91239319
Real reason: events.

I'm fine with female characters. What I don't like is shitty writers and artists, which is most of Marvel right now.

Diversity didn't keep Slott on Spider-Man. Diversity didn't force Marvel into poisoning the X-well. And diversity definitely didn't give Bendis the keys to every franchise.

>>91239351
Plus Garbage Writers/Artists/Editors

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>>91239351

Real reason:

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>>91239319
Not to say his whole reasoning wasn't bullshit, but it looks even worse in clickbait form.

>>91239378
Not really.

>>91239319
>Marvel is finally waking up to the facts SJWs don't buy comics

Redemption arc soon

>>91239387
It's typical Marvel to blame everyone but themselves. The sad thing is that some normies like >>91239378 will honestly believe it.

>>91239398

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>91239397
Don't you have ponies to fuck?

>>91239319
The real reason is that people don't buy comic books anymore. It's the digital age.

Playboy won't get their sales back by removing nudity or putting nudity in. Marvel won't get their sales back by putting in diversity or removing diversity. It's a dying medium. Stop trying to turn it into a political argument.

>>91239416
Yes: Marvel was also shit before.
Checkmate atheists.

>>91239319
Was this article posted on April 1st? Because it's a safe bet the fools running Marvel aren't giving up their forced diversity shit any time soon.

>>91239413

But the people who pushed diversity are Marvel employees, who fall under the banner of "themselves."

>>91239416
How about the fact that even the non-diverse books are selling like shit because they're horribly written?

>>91239319

And yet DC proves that false. In fact they've been successful being diverse for decades.

>>91239420
Well... not really. Indies have been a *growing* market and DC's sales are definitely doing better than Marvel's.
The manga and eurocomic markets are still pretty strong too.

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>>91239319

>>91239420
by your logic, Image would not be able to turn a profit, and they do.

People do buy comics, either in paper or digital forms. But not that many people, and if big2 decides not to compete with the kind of shit people who do spend their money on comics like, they simply stop bothering with them. What is ending is the age of the unflinching fanboy, even people who love superhero shit will find what they live in indie/Image stuff if big denies them.

>>91239351
This. The stories are shit, the new characters are shit, the old characters have lost their personalities and all that ends in an awful event that will change everything!.

>>91239378
Comparing Marvel comics to fucking videogame autist whining is insulting tbqh. There are no AAA games whose characters and plot revolve around sex/gender/race/religion.

>>91239441
Read the actual quotes of the guy. He blames readers for not being ready for their "bold new ideas" or whatever. Like anybody at Marvel has had an idea in the last 10 years that wasn't "how could I make my work easier?".

>>91239472
>all that ends in an awful event that will change everything!.

But actually in the end change nothing.

>>91239463
DC has a much tighter editorial grip on their catalog tho. So even when they get sjw-y, it still feels like a DC comic (most of the times). Some marvel books of the past year read/feel like webcomics, not something a big publishing brand would put out.

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>>91239416
1. That's terror.

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>>91239497
Forgot pic

>>91239441
You're missing the point. They generally are lacking talent top to bottom but people who have actual power aren't making any changes. It's not really about diversity. They lack creators who can tell any kind of coherent story and instead of revamping their scouting to fix it they're blaming the market as if people don't enjoy books starring female leads or minority characters when they aren't written as middle schoolers with shitty PSAs attached.

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>>91239463
So has Marvel really. It's why his argument doesn't make sense: people never had any problem with Marvel being purposedly diverse.
They only have a problem with their shitty business and artistic practices.

>>91239432
Damn #rekt

>>91239494
>There are no AAA games whose characters and plot revolve around sex/gender/race/religion.

Mafia 3

>>91239418
Struck a nerve

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>>91239494
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KWkao73HuU

>>91239516
DC's general mentality toward diversity is much more respectful. They are just people with stories not mascots to collect brownie points.

>>91239549
yeah New Mutants was basically "one kind from every major ethnicity", and that was from the mid 80s

>>91239494
>There are no AAA games whose characters and plot revolve around sex/gender/race/religion.

What is the entire Mass Effect and Dragon Age series.

Reminder that Tale of Tales was a thing.

>>91239582
>he never played the games

>>91239561
It's a revenge story at it's core and takes place in a historical era where those race is actually relevant, but yes I was wrong on this one.

>>91239566
>>91239582
Those games don't revolve around SJW issues, that stuff is on the periphery. And none of these things are on the level of the worst stuff happening in comics.

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>>91239470
>Big 2

DC is doing fine though. Still does better then Image in terms of Bookscan numbers.

>>91239582

you never played any of those games if you believe identity politics fueled those games

you just could develop yoru char however you wanted as a means to roleplay

>>91239319
Give me a furiosa style character and I'll buy your books

I'm glad most of you pointed out the real reasons instead of falling for the baiting.

Frankly this is insulting to readers but I'm more concerned with how clickbaity headlines and sound bites will deflect attention away from the real reasons for the wider public.

>>91239611
DaI and mea though are close to it.

>>91239596
>Those games don't revolve around SJW issues

Mass Effect constantly has quests and plot points about race issues and an enormous amount of the cast is vocally homosexual. Ashley was also modeled after a tranny model.

>>91239580
Sunspot is even a 60s character. Sure he started out as a villain but so did lots of Marvel heroes.
And yeah Falcon, BP, Shang Chi, literally every team having a token chick from the start (all with the same personality because Stan Lee can't write women), ...

>>91239606
100% of DC's events dont feel like stupid retarded cashgrabs (only like half of them).

I can't help but feel happy for this.

Every time that Marve does something "diverse", they do it in such a self-congratulatory way that pisses me off.

And sites like The Mary Sue, Comics Alliance and Gizmodo liking Marvel's asshole for every YAAS QUEEN didn't help. I can guarantee, if Marvel had something like "Marvel Comics Bombshells", those sites would write weekly essays praising the comic.

So, glad for the general failure.

>>91239646

>if Marvel had something like "Marvel Comics Bombshells",

A-Force

I don't get it

Is /co/ full contrarian now? Now that Marvel is finally going to stop pandering to women and feminists, everyone goes
>REEE THAT WAS NOT THE PROBLEM

who cares how they spin it

>>91239638
No, it fucking doesn't. I have played every game and I can't think of a single mission about human race issues and ONE of the cast in ME3 and ONE of the cast in ME:A is vocally homosexual, both of them are in the back of the ship. If you consider anything that deals with discrimination as a concept SJW there's no helping you. You must hate all science fiction.

>>91239631
Retailers won't fall for it and they're important people here. They know people are just tired of shitty stories with no real purpose to bridge the time between the last shitty event and the next shitty event.

>>91239470
By my logic, Archie would not be able to turn a profit, followed by Image and eventually the Big2. It's just a matter of time.

>>91239652
Barely comparable. And it WAS praised like the second coming of Christ.

>>91239656
Because that's not actually what they're saying at all.

>>91239646
>And sites like The Mary Sue, Comics Alliance and Gizmodo liking Marvel's asshole for every YAAS QUEEN didn't help
I honestly feel like it was more that that started their feeling so virtuous, and when people keep jerking you off you end up believing them.

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>>91239319

>>91239640

Kirby literally created Black Panther because he looked around and was like "Why aren't there any black heroes"

i've seen it brought up that Iron Fist was created because Shang Chi was huge

>>91239638
>THEY TALK ABOUT RACE AND GAYS REEEEEEEEEE

Mass Effect was always good doing it.

>>91239656
We care because we want to read good stories. Getting rid of the pandering is like repainting a wall when your house is on fire.

>>91239636

>DA:I
>elves betray men like "racists" humans thought they would
>the muslim horned people try and do another 9/11
>confirmed dwarves arent even real people

dont see the sjwness

Havent played ME:A

>>91239561
To be fair, in that time period one could see why that was a huge center-fold. It was mainly about getting back at people, but yea racism did exist in that time.

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We have been too spoiled with this so-called diversity with media content. The moment anything do not support it, people breathe down company's necks until they give us what we went. If they do, then they are stuck in a limbo.

Personally, I don't give a fuck. I like content because it's good, not because it's diverse. Too much of a good thing can become bad.

>>91239656
The article title is misleading. Its not:

>we made a mistake by pandering to SJWs

Its

>Traditional comic fans are bigots for not buying our comics and contributing to diversity.

>>91239472
>stories
>events
>characters
Yes, BECAUSE THEY WROTE THOSE THINGS IN AN EFFORT TO APPEAL TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T READ THEIR COMICS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>>91239319
Too much diversity is a problem. But it's just one problem.

The writing of some of the diversity and other books are not good.

The events being too many, interrupting books, constantly delayed, and quality of said event being poor.

Prices for comics being too much.

Constant relaunches.

Forcing retailers to pay for books they didn't ask.

Bad editors.

>>91239698
>To be fair,

I never read any post that begins with this.

>>91239680

the double entendre was that the book flopped or bombed and is totally comparable. It's all the women marvel wanted to push in one book. WW2 isn't the big selling point i think

>>91239562
>someone pointed out how shit I am, that must mean I'm right!

>>91239656
It's a symptom of a bigger issue. Bad writting is bad writting and marvel has chased it's talent away.

>>91239664
It's bad science fiction. It gets actual scientific facts wrong. The AI basically gives you the plot when it makes no sense. The cast does it before you get the ai to do it for you. So it fails on multiples levels. The horrible token characters that insult gay people are another issue.

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>>91239656
I never thought that was the problem.
/co/ is not a hivemind yadda yadda, you'll always find people who think that the diversity push was the problem, but people who've known Marvel for a long time saw this shit coming. Hell the muh diversity appeal helped them a bit in sales for a while, but the "talent" has been heavily criticized here for years, just less so in such obvious /polmblr/bait threads because a lot of people don't bother.

Fuck this is what... the 6th time we have this thread? 8th counting those about his backtpedalling? Most of the nonsense has been weeded out at this point.

>>91239638
there are no plot points about racial politics other than those about martial conflicts and the long-term tension they leave behind

even the bad racists guys (cerberus) arent that bad, and the ending in me3 redeems the elusive man because he was right

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>>91239694
The writing in Andromeda is so bad even trans think it's shit pandering.

>Greet a character for the first time
>"HEY DID YOU KNOW I'M TRANS!? >"BETTER REMEMBER THAT OKAY?"
>Talk to an Asari
>They go on a diatribe about gender pronouns

It's about as subtle as a brick wall being dropped from an airplane. Like it was written by a bunch of tumblr feminists who have never even seen a real trans person in their entire life.

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Thank you, based Trump.

>>91239596
>don't revolve around SJW issues
Literally every character that can be romanced in those games just happens to have a sexual orientation that makes them go for your character, no matter what they look like, or their race or gender.

>>91239319

Good maybe they stop forcing stories centred on idpol and liberal rhetoric.

Nothing wrong with politics in comics, but holy shit they were at least more subtle and not as grounded in reality as is the case in the contemporary sense.

>>91239731
Oh do you think I'm defending the game for its actual merits? Don't get me wrong, it's dogshit; it's just that the SJW shit is being overblown by idiots who don't play the games.

>>91239743
So you've never played one of these games then, great.

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>>91239432
Right before the pandering started, we had stories like this.

>>91239711
The problem isn't that they tried to appeal to a broader audience. Companies do that all the time. The problem is that they tried to do it in the laziest ways possible and when people called them out on it they resorted to name calling.

>>91239693
And it's fair, there weren't a lot of black Marvel heroes back then, but the company was basically still new as Marvel, and they quickly had all sorts of diversity around.
Just saying it's not a fucking 2010s thing.

>>91239711
But all of those things were bad at Marvel long before pandering started. It's why guys like Brubaker and JMS jumped ship.

>>91239640
Sunspot's from 1982. Are you thinking of Sunfire?

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>>91239711
>EFFORT
Who?

>>91239319
isn't this just a more inflammatory way of saying "we lost sales because we started making products that didn't appeal to people" ?

what self-respecting business would decide to fling shit at its own clients instead of just buckling down, eating a slice of humble pie and trying to fix the problem?

>>91239698
To be fair, the reason the game was written around racism was to pander, because of the delusion that pandering brought in ales from that demographic.

The problem is Bendis

The few years where we had Bendis' damage contained to a few books and away from the major shit during 2013-2015 marvel was actually good again

>>91239743
>Literally every character that can be romanced in those games just happens to have a sexual orientation that makes them go for your character

Haven't played 1 or 2 in years, but if I recall the sexual orientation shit was just on the back burner. No one character preferred a specific gender nor is it elaborated on. You just pick who you want, and begin to build an emotional connection via side-missions and dialog.

>>91239319
Diversity is only bad if your writers are stupid assholes.

>>91239784
Yes. Damnit I always get their names confused.

>>91239802
>2013-2015
>Bendis contained
He destroyed the X-Men during that time.

>>91239797
See now this is insane and has no basis because tons of black people already play videogames. There's no untapped black demographic to go after.

t. black guy.

>>91239378
>because there is more of them

That part's not even true. At least in terms of the feminist. Most women will continue to not whine nor buy nor give a shit either way.

Hey, CAPTCHA's giving me shit tonight, can someone report all these NeoNazi flamewar shitposts for me?
They are obviously intentional off-topic rule violations and I can only stand looking at a picture of a smiling Hitler so many times on a /co/ thread.

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>>91239374
Slott on Spider-man is the only thing preventing Bendis from getting his unholy hands on Peter.

Avengers Disassembled is when Marvel died

>>91239769
they weren't broader they were more selective, they chose s new group to pander to, I.E. the twilight girl club. Broader would mean they would still have made their core fans happy. They didnt do that.

>>91239810
in me1 you cant ever fuck ashley as a woman, or kaidan as a dude
in me2 you cant fuck the black dude as a dude, or the turian either. or miranda or tali as a woman

>>91239832
Bendis is the worst thing to happen to Marvel since the 90s crash.

>>91239797
>the reason the game was written around racism was to pander, because of the delusion that pandering brought in ales from that demographic.


To be fair, it's not uncommon for a piece of fiction to pander to some group. It's not as much of a taboo to pander as you think.

>>91239829
The fact that these are the only two choices is exactly the problem.

>>91239802
common anon, he should have just stayed in his ultimate series and have the occasional crossover.

>>91239826
I think he meant SJWs.

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>>91239319
Real reason: Replacing an existing character with someone you do not know and are being practically screamed at with "LIKE THIS PERSON OR YOU'RE SEXIST AND RACIST AND A NAZI!"

Why do we need a Female Thor? Rule 63 is fun, but why can't a female norse superhero stand on her own?

>>91239827
The obvious strawman is wrong?
No fucking way?
Those fuckers! Our shit!

>>91239839
>in me2 you cant fuck the black dude as a dude, or the turian either. or miranda or tali as a woman

You can with the DLC.

>>91239730
Generally does when all you can muster is an ad hominem, but meh, I don't care enough to do more than mock both.

>>91239346
>memery-tv

>>91239867
No, you fucking can't. You didn't play this game, stop pretending.

>>91239453
Wait, are there non-diverse books left? Because I can't recall the last book that wasn't trying to jam leftist bullshit down people's throats at some misplaced portion of the story.

>>91239885
Well you can fuck Kaiden with the DLC.

>>91239375
At least the writers part is a consequence of events and relaunches though.

>>91239696
One of the conversations basically goes like this

>"Why did you come to Andromeda?"
>I'm trans"

>>91239900
You can fuck him in 3. Still can't fuck Tali or ashley as a woman, or garrus or the mexican as a man.

>>91239885
>>91239743
I mean...even if you can....what's the issue here? That's how RPing stories work.

>>91239895
yes but they're all just shit

>>91239319
Well, forced diversity and bad writing really. Those two go hand-in-hand for a winning combination. It's the unironic "Yaas Queen" and ham-fisted feminist drivel that drags things down.

>>91239913
I'll fuck you as a man, you sexy chode.

>>91239916
Not if you're creating a realistic universe it isn't. Stop confusing the narrative, we're arguing here.

>>91239913
>not being able to fuck garrus
I am still salty.

>>91239874
Guy who called you a ponyfucker here. I had no idea that you thought you struck a nerve on me.
You know, using ad hominem, no less.

>>91239319
Finally, someone make sense.
Marvel it's too much into diversity and almost nothing in creating good characters and good events.

This is probably the first step to fix marvel, I might even buy comics again.

>>91239954
I... can't figure out how you arrive to what i said being an ad hominem, or that I'm the guy you called a ponyfucker, but hey, go on, crazy diamonds, I really don't give a fuck.

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>>91239468
I already miss Emma. On Topic: LOL! Blame diversity for failing sales.

Is Marvel unaware that the real problems are insane cost inflation in price per issue, too many event comics and tie-ins, lack of clear direction for their various franchises, rehashing tired old plots, and the shitty way the Editors and Executives treat their fanbases.

Also, Marvel currently has a bizarre obsession with Nazis and Holocaust exploitation. Like, seriously, stop.

>>91239913
The me games are weird. The first two cut a lot of gay dialog. like they were afraid of putting gay in their games. The nu bioware goes completely the other direction.

>>91239943
>Not if you're creating a realistic universe it isn't.
We've already established that the science they used was pseudo-science at best. Meaning the universe was already lacking a realistic vibe. Add that on top of the fact the player actually had bionics and the various alien races, and there was nothing realistic about that universe.

Hence why it's called science-fiction. At the end of the day it's a video game and still caters to certain features. One of the various features in that game was that you could fuck who you wanted without a problem.

>>91239689
It wouldn't surprise me.

Spend ten minutes reading The Mary Sue comment section and you will start to believe that "Hellcat" is a huge success, Wiccan is the most well-written gay character and that Carol Danvers is the comic character with the most cultural impact.

Earth-2.

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Marvel has too many issues to ever be fixed without a purge and replacement spree, top to bottom and bottom to top.

They have learned nothing from the Comic Crash, with the sole exception of "If we monopolize suppliers, they can't NOT buy our crap!" and "Who cares, we'll be bailed out by Disney once the real talent produces another good movie."

They have continued the trend of pushing their shitty versions of old characters onto the general population. It used to be "X with a coat of edge," now it's "X with a shade of minority group." Before it was holographic covers, now it's the cheapest covers imaginable, but with more Issue #1s than the Speculator Boom.

Wait, they learned another thing. That they have to kill their staff and cull any talent, because if you let someone who's good rise up, then they'll eventually run away to greener pastures, like DC, or worse, Image. So you have to prop up the worst schlock you can find, then make it clear to them that they only succeed because Marvel wills it, and Marvel can take it away if they ever disobey the Mouse.

Marvel will never improve. Give up. They are in a position where even if they published nothing but 20 page piles of garbage for the next three years, they would be given money to keep them afloat by the Mouse to justify keeping the MCU going. Marvel Comics is in a sustained bubble where, as long as the movies bring in the big bucks, they will never be held accountable for their actions, whereas the other companies (Even DC to an extent) have to face the reality of the market to stay alive.

Marvel's bet on outrage and events is failing, but they'll never feel the effects of it in their movie bunker, shielded from the fallout of their hubris.

>>91239319

Even if we accepted his argument on face value - which I think is about 50% valid and 50% dodging blame - it still boils down to "We're trying to sell a product which our customers aren't interested in buying." The smart move is always to produce products that the customers actually want, whether or not YOU think that they OUGHT to want something else.

Don't get angry that nobody is buying your bags of road salt at your bakery. That's not what people are there for. You're the one who spent all that money on bags of road salt.

This said, the issue isn't diversity so much as "weaponized diversity" where Marvel seems hell-bent on using it as a stick to beat the audience for being wrong, rather than to tell good stories.

>>91240006
>One of the various features in that game was that you could fuck who you wanted without a problem.
No, it fucking wasn't. Why do you keep saying this?

>>91239996
What the fuck are you even doing participating in this reply chain.

>>91239909
eh for all we know that how "normal" people interact day to day in san Francisco or wherever the bio studios are

>>91240008
That would be Earth-3 or Earth-29, not -2.

Dumb casual.

>>91240000

nazi cap is the most interesting/fun thing currently in marvel

>>91240004
That's because that was 2007. 10 years ago, gays were still a hot-topic issue and technically illegal.

>>91240014
I think it's possible if you do it in steps. DC did an editorial purge a couple of years ago and started to ease in new writers with DCYou and then put them on bigger books with Rebirth. It has worked fairly well.

The problem with Marvel is that they chased off all their big ideas people like Hickman who could probably steer the ship. Without someone who has love for the universe in charge you are probably fucked.

>>91240019
We're talking about Andromeda right?

>>91240004
The first two were made before the gay boom that made it the new hot shit.

>>91240006
its soft-scifi
not unlike almost every single science fiction game out there.

and you keep pretending you played the ME games when you clearly havent

>>91239524
>instead of revamping their scouting to fix it

Anyone else remember that one talent scout asking for recs on Twitter.

>>91240062
I was talking about the series as a whole, but even Andromeda doesn't let you fuck everybody. Faggots on twitter have been whining since release that there aren't enough gay options.

>>91240017
>
Even if we accepted his argument on face value - which I think is about 50% valid and 50% dodging blame - it still boils down to "We're trying to sell a product which our customers aren't interested in buying." The smart move is always to produce products that the customers actually want, whether or not YOU think that they OUGHT to want something else.
What's funny about this is that he's sort of pretending that their artistic integrity is hurting sales.
Heh.

>>91240073
and she was just asking for black female creators too probably to force them to only write black female characters

Marvel will never learn

>>91239994
Why does no one read the article? The guy is blaming comic readers and saying they are bigots that hates diversity

>>91240017
The funny part is that the audience they seem to hate these days, are the exact same audience they created in the late 80s/90s.

>>91239319
>invite ICv2 to Marvel summit
>expect them to not report what's going on without telling them
>act like you usually do when in private in front of journalists
>this happens

>>91240078
>Literally every character that can be romanced in those games just happens to have a sexual orientation that makes them go for your character, no matter what they look like, or their race or gender.

We were talking about Andromeda, you know I wasn't talking about EVERYBODY, just the characters you can romance.

>>91240089
You hear these people talk and it's clear they were the fanboys reading at that time angry at the 80s and 90s for the changes they were making.

No other real way to explain illogical obsessions with the O5 or Peter Parker being a teenager.

>>91240101
Yes, and you can't romance all romanciable characters as all sexes.

>>91240069
Nigga how you gonna tell me what games "I've" played. I know better than anyone in this thread if i've played a game or not.

I played ME 1 and 2. I even recall not being able to transfer my ME1 save to ME 2 because my cousin deleted my ME 1 save.

>>91240060
You can always hire people who are good and care.
The problems come from up top, unless Disney ends up cleaning house at some point it's fucked, and considering Ike is #3 shareholder there it's a fucking long shot that anything will change as long as he doesn't retire completely or dies.

>>91240069
>its soft-scifi
>not unlike almost every single science fiction game out there.


That changes?

>>91240116
Wasn't there a huge "controversy" because that one character was straight and people thought she would be a lesbian because she "looked" like a carpet muncher?

Remember that guy that wanted to revamp Blade and had pretty good ideas, but Marvel cut him down because tumblr was offended with his whiteness and, as we know, only black writers can write black characters?

Remember when this kind of logic made Priest abandon comics for a decade?

Now we have Gaby Rivera.

>>91240150
I haven;t heard of that. The only """""controversy""""" i heard of was Jaal, the male alien, not being gay.

>>91240128
As long you keep claiming blatant false shit like free for all romances (which you can check on the ME wiki, if you really wanted), you give the impression you simply never played them.

>>91240140
its pointless to single out an action rpg video game plot for being inaccurate when every sci fi action rpg plot is scientifically inaccurate

>>91240115
>No other real way to explain illogical obsessions with the O5 or Peter Parker being a teenager.
There is, it's a deformed mutant version of the old "every comic should be a starting point" Shooter rule.

>>91239824
Eh, it's an easy mistake.

>>91240175
Except that by these days, literally every possible new reader expect the O5 to be grown ups (like in the FOX movies) and Peter to be college-aged (like in the Sony movies).

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Can you fuck off with the /v/ talk?

>>91240170
>its pointless to single out an action rpg video game plot for being inaccurate when every sci fi action rpg plot is scientifically inaccurate

Alright, it's also pointless to try to establish it as "attempting to be realistic" when the sole purpose of the series is to not be realistic.

>>91239743

That's true of Dragon Age 2 and literally no other game in BioWare's history. I know that it's become sort of a big meme that Mass Effect is nothing but 100% SJW trash, but you only weaken your argument when you have demonstrable falsehoods at the core of your argument.

>>91240115
>No other real way to explain illogical obsessions with the O5 or Peter Parker being a teenager.
Their whole plan is to lose their entire current fanbase and replace it with the imaginary fanbase that they're courting. They figure than it will be better for these magical new fans to experience their characters at a new starting point.

>>91239319
damn ... now they will find him dead from auto erotic asphyxiation with a belt wrapped around his neck and tied to a door knob with a half eaten human dick sandwich in one hand and child pron on the computer in front of him and a isis pamphlet in the other hand

many such cases . sad

>>91240161
I thought with Blade it was more that Marvel couldn't get the logistics for the launch set up in general for it and then Seeley himself bowed out while providing that reason. Though I didn't really believe it. Seems like he just wanted the DC exclusive but didn't want to throw Marvel under the bus for being so incompetent with the whole thing.

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>>91240187
>like in the FOX movies
What?
>Peter to be college-aged (like in the Sony movies)
So the explanation is MCU synergy?

>>91240194

I wasnt the guy who talked about "realistic" and i dont get what he meant by it. But at its core the first 3 ME games were a standard fantasy arpg plot on a sci fi setting.

There is a reason DA/ME largely felt like you were playing the same shit

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>>91239319
This is pretty brilliant actually. He was probably offered up as a sacrifice. Because think about it, the alternatives are to say nothing about your slump, which makes you look incompetent. Or, to blame your writing staff (The actual reason IMO), which means a potential rebellion from the diva writers. So this is actually the least internally damaging thing a VP of sales could say.

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>>91239346
Meanwhile, in China!

No, this is not an April Fools thing.

>>91240216
>What?
The Fox movies had a teen Scott, Jean, and Angel and First Class had a young Beast. Even though they were against promoting Fox films they were willing to throw in things to evoke them, like when they had an Apocalypse storyarc around the time X-Men Apocalypse was going to be out.

>>91240211
Well, they still believe they've got a lot of old readers still in the pocket no matter what the fuck they do, and given Amazing Spider-Man sales never falling, you can't say they have no grounds at all to bvelieve that.

>>91240252
Yes, that's what my "what?" was meant to convey, as a negative reply to
>literally every possible new reader expect the O5 to be grown ups (like in the FOX movies)
Like Marvel is trying to grab new readers among people who watched X3.

>>91240272
>and given Amazing Spider-Man sales never falling

They actually have fallen a lot. In the 60ks right now and will probably drop to the 50ks next issue.

It's not just the diverse books. Marvel is completely shitting itself.

>>91240238
>He was probably offered up as a sacrifice.
Why do people keep actually making theories from a clickbait title?
Read his actual quotes or the thread before making a fool of yourself.

Ohhh, so it was diversity that caused all those shitty events, late books, and endless relaunches. Gotcha.

>>91240248
>No, this is not an April Fools thing.

No, it's just intelligent.

>>91240303
>In the 60ks right now and will probably drop to the 50ks next issue.
Fuck that's actually dreadful. Someone will have to do something when the Generations gimmick fails too.

>>91240272
>and given Amazing Spider-Man sales never falling

But they have fallen. Even though it's their highest selling Marvel title it's at the 60,000 levels. It used to be high up until the end Spider-Verse. Then after that it kept being inconsistent till another relaunch and then kept going down for the most part.

>>91240303
That is fucking sad, man.

Johns' Green Lantern (~70K per issue) was a stronger franchise than the current Spider-Man.

>>91240272
spiderman and x-men were in the fucking the solid 100k territory. They're barely at 50k now. Even chuck fucking austin managed 80k at his worst.

>>91240288
It's probably also no coincidence they brought in Old Man Logan to 616. Even though Marvel had conflicts with Fox, Fox still has to let them know ahead of time of plans or vague plans for what they're going to do filmwise.

>>91240358
>They're barely at 50k now.

Did you know the X-Men books are in the 30K level now?

>>91240238

Disney is all about that kind of shit, they've done it before. External damage is always preferable to internal damage. External damage can be fixed by firing the guy, who gets a pay bonus as a way of saying thank you for your sacrifice and serves as a smokescreen to the people that would take issue with what was said without causing the worse options. All while Disney gets to take the moral high ground and not actually fix what's really wrong with Marvel.

>>91240344

Spider-Man is the biggest hero from the biggest company. It shouldn't lose every month to Batman. Slott's had his time

>>91240358
The sad part is that I don't see how they fix it. They literally don't know how. Look at their attempt with the X-Books relaunch. Fucking Guggenheim is in charge.

What went wrong?

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>>91240376

>>91239404
This 100%. Sjw dont buy comics and some consumers stopped buying the product. It's simple fucking business. Not even taking account of the drop in quality.

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>>91240338

>The highest selling Marvel book is 60k

No wonder they have to flood the market with trash

>>91240248
based. I have a feeling the west will follow in the next few years

>>91240376
I'm at a point where i just don't care marvel has pissed away all of their talent. They deserve to just be an ip farm. The mouse should fucking clean house.

>>91240313
Part of most high end business practice is manufacturing a stool pidgin to avoid internal conflict is part of policy. When one of your people gets in hot water you always as a company do what makes you look best and most big companies can and will manufacture controversy to look good if they have sales issues.

>>91240416
Well technically I was wrong, the highest Marvel book in February is actually a Star Wars book (Darth Maul #1). While their highest superhero book is Amazing Spider-Man at around 62,000.

>>91240446

Yeah but that's a #1 with a shit load of variants. This is Spider-Man. Not some shit eating Avenger

>>91240248
China bans mudslime garb.
Japan tells mudslimes that yes they are being monitored and no they will not stop being monitored.
Kinda sad to think that in 20 years Asian civilization may be the bastion of Earth's culture.

>>91240431
Nobody claimed those practices don't exist.

However, the guy said nothing that would make him look guilty of anything if you read his actual quotes, he's deflecting blame, like Marvel people have been doing for years now.

Next time take the effort to try and know what you're talking about instead of gratuitously giving a lesson in semitic behavior.

>>91240464
>Kinda sad to think that in 20 years Asian civilization may be the bastion of Earth's culture.
Are you retarded?

This is a legitimate question.

Marvel might need to steal Scott Snyder or something to have a chance at this rate. Who could they even put on Spider-Man that would move the needle? The entire franchise needs to be revamped at this point. It seems too toxic.

>>91240462
Star wars is covering up the collapse. That being said I own every issue of the star wars line and dozens of variants.

>>91240316
And the terrible artists, shit writing and unsustainable pricing as well as distribution through customer-repelling nerd caves only.

>>91240376
To be specific, the highest-selling X-Men title in Feb was actually IVX. All things considered that was also probably the highest-selling Inhumans title, too.

#4 was at 56,969, #5 was at 53,348.

Next highest was True Believers Wolverine vs Hulk, a $1 reprint of Hulk #181. Yes, the highest non-event X-title was a fucking reprint.

Next highest was Old Man Logan, both issues were around 38,000.

Deadpool and Spider-Man/Deadpool were also at around the 38,000 level, too.

The month's Uncanny X-Men was at 34,948. Extraordinary X-Men at 32,328. All-New X-Men at 30,334. You go back in time to even six years ago and tell me the X-books would hit the 30,000's and I'd have laughed in your face. Yet here we fucking are, everybody.

>>91239319

>Carol
>White blonde woman
>Diverse

Is "woman" part of the diverse group now? I don't see Wonder Woman suffering

>>91240464

Muslims discriminate none muslims in their own countries and non muslims are doing the same towards muslims.

>>91240480
He means white culture.

>>91240468
>Next time take the effort to try and know what you're talking about instead of gratuitously giving a lesson in semitic behavior.

But anon, I give your mother gratuitous lessons in semitic behavior every night, I can't stop now.

>>91240462
The top 3 Marvel books ordered were Darth Maul, then Star Wars #28 at 74,002 which I think only has one variant. Then Amazing Spider-Man.

I would say that's pretty fucking bad. Especially worse when you realize that Slott at subpar levels can still outsell most other Marvel writers.

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>>91240504

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>>91240525

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>>91240083
https://twitter.com/AlannaWrites/status/750727387608969217
I found the post.

Look at her credits, they're terrible.
Editor of
>Thunderbolts (Zubolts)
>Unstoppable Wasp
>Ultimates 2 (I don't know if this is terrible)

>Creator of SuperWhoLock the Comic

How did this person get hired?
Who went through tumblr to find this person?

>>91239640
>all with the same personality because Stan Lee can't write women
Or perhaps women in the 60s were even more vapid and predictable than they are today.

>>91239319

>Carol will be under 20k by #3
>Selling worse than Wonder Woman, Harley, Batgirl, Birds of Prey and Supergirl at #2

I think the only DC female hero doing worse is Superwoman but shes seven issues in.

When will Marvel stop pushing this useless whore?

>>91240587

>all women are the same lol

>>91240587
Possibly but I can't vouch for that, and there were more interesting women characters in other media at various points in history.

I'm not hating the message of the portrayal per se, I just think it makes for annoying characters. Your Peggy Hill or Skyler White effect if you will.

>>91240504
I heard extraordinary was pretty okay.

>>91240564
Her books are shitty but I'll at least handwave it by the idea that maybe she is generally good at managing personalities and keeping people on a team working together well even if their talents are all garbage.

But I just don't understand needing to ask that question publicly. Like isn't it your fucking job to know the talent in the industry? Open up fucking Amazon and start clicking profiles. You don't see Khouri needing to ask people for porn artist reccs. Dude probably has a fucking catalog of dickgirl artists ready to call and ask if they want to do an arc.

She really has to do better.

>>91240593
>>Carol will be under 20k by #3
>>Selling worse than Wonder Woman, Harley, Batgirl, Birds of Prey and Supergirl at #2
It is really funny.

Every time they try to push Carol Danvers (2012, 2014, and now) the character ends in a worse situation. It is unbelievable.

>>91240099
>invite ICv2 to Marvel summit
Props to those guys by the way.
They'll probably never speak to someone at Marvel ever again, but I'm glad somebody was actually asking relevant fucking questions instead of jerking their interview guest off the entire time and basically forging some kind of third-party press-release for them.

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>>91240658
I actually liked the previous run, but dropped it immediately as soon as it started tying into Civil War 2. Then it got cancelled right after with the two writers probably never to return to Marvel.

It's because people are afraid of owning progressive comics. Once people learn to think correctly the comics will sell.

>DC
>We fucked up and we're gonna keep what sticks and try to bring back what made you guys like us in the first place.
>We're gonna have an epic two year journey building up to this awesome conclusion with a few crossovers and event in between
>Marvel
>I-it's DC, Image, and the audience's f-fault! DC is holding LCS hostage with returnables! Image is stealing our writers! And the audience don't like the comics we put out because they don't like diversity!
>Clearly the answer is to put events in our events

>inb4
>I AM SILLY!

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>>91240014
>or worse, Image

>>91239822
Corolary: If your writers are stupid assholes, then the shit they write won't work regardless.

>>91240587
You can check this based on the shit women wrote and bought for themselves back then. Being vapid was a positive trait in many circles.

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I just want them to stop hurting the X-men

>>91241019
they are not going to stop untill all the senior O5 are dead/irrelevant (even more than now)

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>>91241019

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>>91240951
>I-it's DC, Image, and the audience's f-fault! DC is holding LCS hostage with returnables! Image is stealing our writers! And the audience don't like the comics we put out because they don't like diversity!

Friendly reminder that marvel events turned what could have been a sjw nu-spiderman phenomenon into yet another shitty monthly

poor ms marvel

You could sell anything if it was well made.

>Write garbage
>Throw some stupid race/gender swap ideological gimmick on top of your garbage
>PEOPLE AREN'T READY FOR MY NEW BOLD IDEOLOGICAL GIMMICK!

10/10 nailed it

Good writing and art is good writing and art. Talent can salvage just about any concept.

>>91240248
Wtf I love China now

>>91239432
That's actually an argument that the decline in sales is due to something other than writing quality.

>>91239319
>Other companies kick their ass with diverse titles
>HUUUUUR YOUSA RACIST

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>>91240248
China never ceases to amaze

What is riri's sales? hope it flop hard

Diversity isn't the problem. Shit writing is the problem.

>>91239764
My nigga

>>91240248
I don't care about women covering their hair but covering their faces should be a no no.

>>91239832
>>91239844

Bendis started alot of awful trends, which other writers have sadly followed:

> Jettisoning classic characters to shove in your Diverse Progressive favourites. Shitting on characters who are not the "special ones".

> Disregarding continuity ("no such thing as Chaos Magic"), Bendis has turned the retcon from an occasional occurrence to a literally weekly one.

> Events. Events...followed by more Events.

> Lazy writing.

>>91239470
The damning thing is, books do sell, in Japan their manga shit sells like capes used to in the 90s. The reason is quality quantity and consistancy.

To top it off they don't have someone like diamond to fuck them over. You could easily make comics as much of astaple here as you would in japan, but not with these retards in charge.

>>91239859

Why not have a Lady Sif book? With a whole lore of her own, instead of having to share Thor's?

Why not have X-23 be her own person instead of try to be Wolverine?

Why can't Falcon just be Falcon, instead of try to be Cap?

Why must Kate be "better" than Clint?

Why must Carol be "the bestest most awesomest hero ever"?

>>91239895

Moon Knight. So based still. But only because the normies don't know it exists...

>>91240564
>How did this person get hired?
>Who went through tumblr to find this person?

Most likely nepotism it's how a lot of the writers/artists/editors in Marvel get hired, Sanford said that's how he got his first job at Marvel and the guy who wrote Mosaic got a job there because he's friends with someone who was working at Marvel, they talked about it in a panel in ECC, knowing people at Marvel helped them get hired since people would recommend them when an artist/writer was leaving a title or they needed a fill in.

I mean Bendis himself said it too that he got recommended to Marvel because of a friend and that when he did his job interview with Quesada he had a portfolio of art that he had drawn (Bendis wanted to be an artist) but Quesada put him to write instead.

>>91240657
>her books are shitty
I think Ultimates is the only good one out of the three but she probably lets Ewing do whatever he wants there because the cosmic stuff confuses her.

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>>91241667
are based novas still on going?

>>91241662
>Why not have a Lady Sif book?
They've tried before. Sif doesn't sell either.

>>91241682
I think the fact every time I mention sif the response being "who the fuck is sif" doesn't help.

>>91241679
Yes, but its sales are abysmal. It's not long for this world.

>>91241682

I liked that one too. Fuck. People can't appreciate quality.

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NEVER FORGET

>>91239319
Kek.

>>91241688
>>91241682
The problem is that comic sales are fucking shit to begin with and won't improve till more people than fucking diamond can get theri hands on em.


If you can get book sales up to respectable numbers, then you can afford to take chances on characters like SIF.

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>>91241630
>Shitting on characters who are not the "special ones".

Tigra, Scarlet Witch, D-Man, and Captain Britain are the characters Bendis shits on the most like he has to always have a character talk shit about them for whatever reason.

Also because Spencer took Maria he's now shitting on Sharon Carter (who hea already shat on in the past when he had Cap cheat on her, seriously he made Captain America into a cheater).

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>>91241679
Yes!! And the May and June issues look interesting.

>>91241695
Last issue was over 19,000 so it's not the best but it's not abysmal and it's more than some of the other titles. Plus it is doing good on Comixology.

Still it will last longer than America Chavez.

>>91241682
>>91241702
Tumblr REEEEEEEEEEEE'd because "Not muh Loki" and some dumbasses had just read Blood Brothers and they thought Sif was a raging abusive bitch towards Loki and they nitpicked everything she did.

>>91239656
/co/mblr

>>91239656
They might stop pandering to tumblr but that won't stop the shitty writing.

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The problem isn't female characters, the problem is that Marvel just makes all their female characters unrealistic Mary Sues who never lose and go on unironic rants about feminism

They don't get that what makes people root for a character isn't necessarily winning or losing, but the effort displayed in doing so

>>91239656
Because the problem was always shitty writing.
No one had a problem with Robbie Reyes. A lot of people quite liked Ms Marvel before she got dragged into an endless stream of terrible events.

Diversity IS the problem. But not in that way
The issue is that they think it's because people are racists/sexist/whatever and won't accept that. It's not. It's because a lot of books, and/or the marketing behind them, is turning into soapboxing and RL politics. Marvel's current output is entirely made of Green Lantern/Green Arrow tier series, and that's turning off everyone who's thoroughly uninterested in that stuff.

>>91240248
See? China does want war.

>>91240024

As someone who lives in SF, I have literally never seen people so flamboyantly homosexual outside of Pride Parades and Folsom Street Fair as I do in Bioware games. And I have met actual gay porn stars through friends of friends.

>>91241815
Also, characters that struggle are more relatable than those who are constantly told they are "the best" and "the greatest ever".

Imagine if JJ told Peter Parker, "Jeez, Peter, you're the best photographer I have ever seen! You're awesome!"

That's what you get in Cap Marvel, America, and Moon Girl, Kate-eye, etc.

>>91239319
No, fuck off, the problem is that books are fucking shit.

Shoehorned diversity is a big part of it, but the fact is that books are actually shit.

Everybody fucking welcomed Silk when she wasn't written by Slott. People were hyped for Spider Gwen until her ongoing turned into absolutely fucking nothing. PEOPLE LOVED KAMALA whenever she's not shoehorned in a team book and doesn't have anything to do with Inhumans

It's Marvel blaming literally everyone BUT themselves.

http://archive.is/Zy7Om

>Despite forming the basis for the multi-million dollar blockbusters that have recently overtaken Hollywood, Marvel comic book sales have been falling.
>Well, Marvel VP of Sales, David Gabriel, spoke about what they believe could possibly lead to the decline, putting the blame on diversity.
>“What we heard was that people didn’t want any more diversity,” Gabriel told ICv2 at the Marvel Retailer summit. “They didn’t want female characters out there. That’s what we heard, whether we believe that or not.”
H continued: “I don’t know that that’s really true, but that’s what we saw in sales. We saw the sales of any character that was diverse, any character that was new, our female characters, anything that was not a core Marvel character, people were turning their nose up against.

>>91239561
God, that game sucked

>>91242059
This fucking faggot says this after they can May day parker and the whole of MC2 while klilling off beloved charaters and replacing them with shitty sjw doppelgangers. Fuck this clown.

>“That was difficult for us because we had a lot of fresh, new, exciting ideas that we were trying to get out and nothing new really worked.”
>Later on, after the comments were picked up by numerous outlets, Gabriel clarified how Squirrel Girl, Ms. Marvel, The Mighty Thor, Spider-Gwen, Miles Morales, and Moon Girl continue to prove popular and won’t be going anywhere anytime soon.
Moon girl sucks and Miles is only there because you keep forcing him down our throats you fagggot.

>In recent years, Marvel has made steps to diversify their roster of heroes, often to large critical acclaim. Falling sales because of this seems rather minimal: instead, most fans have questioned the price of comic books in recent years.
>As iO9 points out, the average price of a Marvel comic in the US stands around $3.99 to $5.99. Over here in the UK, to purchase the most recent Mighty Thor you’re looking to spend around £2.49 for the 22-page comic.
>Meanwhile, over in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Brie Larson will play the first leading female superhero in 2019, taking on the role of Captain Marvel.

>>91241955
>Everybody fucking welcomed Silk when she wasn't written by Slott.

And that's why her solo books were cancelled...

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>>91239319
I don't think the subjects would save the sales of books that look like this

>>91239494
Horizon's trying its best to be.
It has a literal Matriarchy in it.

It's almost like the core demographic of comics is not 6/12 boys, who gives jack shit about diversity and just want a power fantasy

Also Marvel went mostly to shit in the 00, so it's not like they can pull good numbers out of their asses

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>They’ve blamed readers not wanting any more diversity, creators going to Image, limited series being a “death knell” for comics, not being able to lower trade prices because it would reduce sales of existing more expensive ones, artists being late on super-mega-crossover events, the election of Donald Trump, event fatigue, and artists not “moving the needle” on sales.

>>91240248

If only they wouldn't ban a tons of legit shit as well. Like western comic books.

>>91242178
>>91242144
Yet in europe and Japan, comics sell in hundreds of thousands, hittiing milllions in nip land.

Unlike us, they don't have a diamond select and a stanglehold on the dying market.

>>91242204
nippon has literally hundreds of genres and magazinse for every age, so anyone can get what they want

Green Lanterns Rebirth replaced Hal Jordan on the main GL book with two minorities and shuffled him off to the GLC book. It still sells as well as GLC.

Of course its not sold as DIVERSITY!
It's creators aren't abusing it's readers on Twitter.
It's still as good (or mediocre) as when Hal started in the book.

Marvel BTFO by actual facts. Yet again.

Marvel's shit isn't even work pirating these days. That's why it doesn't sell.

>>91239319
I'd say it's kinda the problem, but not diversity itself - the way Marvel DOES diversity.
When DC made a Harley Quinn solo title, did you see a wave of shills talking about 'revolutionary title about a bisexual female abuse survivor'? Answer is, of course you fucking didn't, they just made the goddamn title. When most people do diversity, they just do it for it's own sake, to write better stories.

But for Marvel, diversity doesn't mean "let's have black Captain America because it might make for an interesting story" (as they USED to do - e.g. as seen in "Truth: Red White and Black).
Nowadays, Marvel instead does "Let's have a black Captain America coexist with the white one, because this way we can sell twice as much Captain America comics."

For Marvel, diversity became an issue-selling gimmick, just like endless pointless events, launches and cancellations of new titles because issue#1 sells the best, and variant covers. THAT is the problem.

>>91242218
Europe is the same, they also have the books available literally anywhere and don't have to kow-tow to some mafia esque distribution company.

You can literally walk into most stores and find them just hanging out on the equivilent of magazine racks.

>>91239827
It isn't that there are more of them, the assumption was that the loyal customers would stick around, a minority of "racist" customers would leave(and good riddance we don't want their money anyway!) but the number of new customers would more than make up the difference.

The problem was that the number of people who were offended by the bullshit was bigger than expected and the number of new fans was barely any(those existing fans who were in those pandered to groups were probably happy about it but they didn't bring any friends along).

On paper it seemed like a great idea, half the population don't play games/read comics(women) so trying to appeal to them might double your customer base.
And all that usual bullshit about representation: "When a small Homosexual Latino Otherkin sees that a hero can be a Gay Latino Otherkin as well then they'll love our comics and buy them." seems to forget that when a straight white kid can't identify with the characters they're reading then they'll drop them and calling them racist for doing it doesn't get them coming back with their money any time soon.

My point stands is if you rip Marvel a new one-make sure you get everyone else who is doing it too.

If Moon Girl is an issue so are the Flintstones and that lot. Yet we saw no attacks on them.

No Cave Carson is taking Legion's book slot.

No we need to boycott those books because I feel they won't sell.

You can't beat your chest that Cyborg beat 10 books (who are gone except for Moon Girl) when everyone else including those dirty Inhumans are beating him.

You can't in every single article about what sold trash the Inhumans to no end. Is this what creators of color and females deal with in the industry every day?

You can't scream no one gives a bleep about diversity in comics. When Image, DC, Dark Horse, IDW, Valiant, Titan, Boom, After Shock & Grim Fairy Tales are proving you WRONG.

It's like they forget Black Panther, Luke Cage, Miles & Ms Marvel had books.

Because they are too busy bashing Moon Girl & Mosaic ad screaming the X-Men were minorities and slave to those evil racist Inhumans. If we ever see Black Panther vs the X-Men (again)....Caotes run will give them plenty of ammo.

>>91242241
I mean - consider. We currently have, what? A white Spider-Man, a black Spider-Man, a female Spider-Man, and a female asian Spider-Man. At the same time, running in the same universe.

It's just the same shit as when back in the 80's, they had Amazing Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, Web of Spider-Man, Sensational Spider-Man and Spider-Man and you get my point.

>>91239319
But I like more female heroes. Gives me more material to jack off to.

>>91242290
>Amazing Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, Web of Spider-Man, Sensational Spider-Man and Spider-Man
But all those books had Pete as the main character...

>>91239656
But /co/ has always said that having books led by minorities isn't a problem, it's the way Marvel shoves it down your throat while at the same time looking for a pat on the back.

/co/ fucking loves characters like Midnighter, Simon 'best boy' Baz, Jessica Cruz, Kenan Kong, Jaime Reyes etc. Hell people are even starting to warm upto black Wally now that ginger Wally is back.

Because those are actual characters that aren't defined by not being straight white males. As opposed to Marvel's which are nothing more than shallow attempts at pandering which results in characters that're only defined by not being straight, white males.

>>91241653
>The reason is quality quantity and consistancy.
Also, Japs have anthology magazines instead of floppies

Instead of appealing to collectors with expensive single-chapter stories, they pump out a whole collection of various series' chapters in one cheap magazine.

Cheaper paper, usually black and white, the kind of thing you throw away later. Makes it really easy to get into for normies and even children.

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>>91239319
>they didn't want female characters out there

So are comics now going to become 100% total sausage-fests from now on? Given how out of touch Marvel is with their core demographic it wouldn't surprise me. Nobody is hating female characters in capeshit comics, what people hate are gender-swapped derivatives of already existing heroes because SJWs are talentless hacks with no creativity or writing ability.

>OMG I'M BLACK AND HAVE A VAGINA AND AM A SUPER HERO SO PROGRESSIVE XD

Yeah this might have been mindblowing thirty or forty years ago but we've long progressed past that it's just retreading old ground now.

Also this:
https://www.themarysue.com/riri-williams-stop-sexualizing-teen-girls-in-comics/

Mistake number one is pandering to to a demographic that will never be satisfied nor will ever buy your shit in the first place.

>>91240358
Back in the 1960s Doom Patrol was canceled because it went below 250,000 circulation. Today Marvel's top superhero brand is selling 60,000. Batman is lucky to break 100,000 for DC. Something went wildly wrong and that needs to be fixed.

>>91242363
>Batman is lucky to break 100,000 for DC
Being above 100k for more than 5 years straight is a little more than luck. It's literally only fallen below that once in all that time.

>>91241679
That whole page is just so incredibly on point, it had to have been scripted by accident.

>>91241754
>Last issue was over 19,000 so it's not the best but it's not abysmal
Less than 30k is cancellation risk
Less than 20k is only for series Marvel is pushing, like Moon Girl

19k and it's not a series Marvel is trying to force? I cannot see how it will stay around.

>>91242305
Yeah, but that's the thing. They just changed the strategy from having ton of books with the same character, to a ton of books with different characters of the same brand, that aren't actually very different from each other.
I mean, characters I mentioned are very similar, but aren't actually very related to each other in story, they don't have much in way of relationships with each other, and are mostly self-contained.
It's just Five Flavours of Spider-Man. Same tactic, different execution.

>>91241121
Yeah Secret Wars really did fuck that book over. It never got back that momentum after that event.

>>91239319
The outburst of the diversity agenda is the main problem. They're pushing too much.

>blame nicheness of comic book fans for bad comic sales
>reboot comics to try and modernize it
>sales drop
>blame insulurneass of comic book writing, not giving anything for new readers to latch onto
>make comic books that pander to the movies
>sales drop
>blame lack of diversity in comic book demographic
>make "diverse" comic books that pander to the loopy left crowd
>sales drop

Maybe it's just that your comic books aren't very good, are overpriced, and are can't go 5 years without dramatic upheaval in premise?

>>91239740
>Like it was written by a bunch of tumblr feminists who have never even seen a real trans person in their entire life.
I'm fairly certain EA recruited a gaggle of ME fangirls from tumblr as interns to finish their game before launch deadline after Bioware imploded. Not just the writing, but coding and character modeling as well...

STOP MAKING MINORITIES INTO EXISTING CHARACTERS

IT'S EVEN AS SIMPLE AS RIRI NOT HAVING 'IRON MAN' PLASTERED ON HER COMIC

SHE CAN STILL BE AN IRON PERSON OR, GOD FORBID, HER OWN SUPERHERO

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>>91239319
>mfw
Still, I'd rather they admit half their staff are shit.

>>91239829
JUST FUCKING GIVE IT TO BUSIEK OR KELLY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>91242603
>just give it to two people that don't want it
???

>>91241679
>every time Rightclops is mentioned by Marvel

Triggered.

>>91241754
>Last issue was over 19,000 so it's not the best but it's not abysmal
Cancellation line is ~20k and Nova hit that on issue 3. That's pretty fucking bad.

>>91242194
>not being able to lower trade prices because it would reduce sales of existing more expensive ones
What?

/co/ blames diversity for Marvel's falling sales, but get triggered when Marvel says the same.

>>91242649
They're not blaming diversity, they're calling their readers racist and "not ready for our ideas".

>>91242649
Marvel's choosing to blame the readers for being too sexist and racist to buy their agitprop rather than admitting they released poor quality books.

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>>91242649
>Triggered
Fuck the rest of you can throw a fit, but I'm laughing it up!

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>>91240248
china is afraid of ninjas

>>91242694
>blaming the loyal consumer
Does anyone study business anymore?

>>91242649
Read past the title. He was blaming the readers for being bigoted.

>>91240248
Based chinks, if only you didn't celebrate the skinning and torturing of dogs you'd be one of the greatest nations on Earth.

>>91240248
>let's crackdown on religious extremists
>by creating more religious extremists through draconian legislation
Wew. If you want to crack down a hroup punish the families or communities, bot the entire group. They just turned a local chinese ethnicity effectively into a conquered peoples

>>91242625
I'd rather have it foisted upon them and let either of them half ass it than deal with Bendis or Slott.

>>91240248
I'd consider this horrible if it weren't for all the things inherently wrong with the slim-slams in general. I try not to condone genocide, but Islam makes it hard not to justify turning every Imam into a gruesome modern art masterpiece of twisted bone and sinew.

>>91242791
>They just turned a local chinese ethnicity effectively into a conquered peoples
That's pretty much the premise of modern China. There's no such thing as "A Chinese people" there are just a thousand different conquered cultures all grouped under one oppressive pseudo-communist government. (And we all know how communists feel about religion).

>>91242791
>if you persecute muslims for bombing you they'll get angry and bomb you

>>91242741
>y.y.you punished me because you are AFFRAID of me. We selfcalled it IslamoPHOBIA so it's true!
fanatics are suck an annoying pest I swear

>>91242791
You forget that China isn't built on enlightenment values. I'm fairly certain that if they get uppity, all the Muslims in China are getting is mass graves for their troubles.

>>91242742
Yes.

They subscribe VERY heavily to "any publicity is good publicity" and recognize that outrage sells better than quality.

Problem is that they don't realize that shit only works short term.

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>>91239319
I'm really baffled it took Ike so long to catch on. Isn't he supposed to run a very tight ship by maniacly micromanaging every aspect of the company?

>>91240593
Remember when Cass Cain, the half-Asian Batgirl, carried a solo for fucking years?
Marvel wished they'd manage that without resorting to forcing shit.

>>91242844
Spider-Girl did it. :^)
They really hated that title too, they desperately wanted it canceled, but her devoted fanbase would flood them with letters each time.

>>91242844
>tfw DC threw away a good support character AND a good minority heroine because MUH CHILDHOOD REEEEEEEEE

Babs' hit/miss ratio is laughable.

>>91242854
>"A CHILD WOULD AGE SPIDER-MAN AND NOBODY WANTS THAT"
>Fans buy it despite it not even being in continuity.
>"THEY DON'T WANT IT THEY DON'T WANT ITTHEY DON'T WANT ITTHEY DON'T WANT IT"

>>91239417
What exactly does thot mean in this context?

Google tells me it means "that hoe over there".

>>91240248

And? everyones doing it now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/31/austria-to-ban-full-face-veil-burqa-niqab-in-public

>>91242791

>If you dont let muslims do whatever they want, they will bomb you
>you should defend this because it obviously shows how pecefull they are

Hey, remember when all christian nations threw a giant shitfling and threathened to and actually did kill the southparkguys for making fun of Jesus a ton?

No?

Gee whizz, maybe islam is just a shitty religion founded by a fucking warlord who conquered and raped his way into history

Diversity was a mistake
I want more white people
t. brownie

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>>91239319
>missing the point yet again
Yes, there are some general things that fans do or don't want to see, and Spider-Girl is high on the list of things that people do want and I'm guessing Iron Heart is pretty low on that list.

Thing is, that doesn't really effect the vast majority of titles. What makes people skip books is them looking like shit or having absolutely no hook.

The problem with your diversity books wasn't that they were diverse, but that that's ALL they were. You need a good story and characters, interesting powers, good writing, etc.

>>91242883
It got wrapped up in all that kek meme magic wankery and became sort of synonymous with degenerate, now it's taking a nosedive into the abstract.

>>91239319
>diversity

lazily swapping races and genders instead of developing new characters isnt diversity, and the comics media pushing clickbait "take THAT, white/straight/men"articles every time a new comic comes out didnt help either.

>>91239740
Actually it's even funnier: Trans are pissed about that character because they "dead name" themselves in the first 10 seconds they know you.

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No, no this cant be happening!

Drumphypoopoo and his alt reich miniona are to blame for this!

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>>91240248
Well, they haven't been around for this long because they were stupid
Kinda wish we had this insight in the west

>>91242974

I don't see how we can't, you generally aren't allowed to wear masks in most places.

>>91240464
>Kinda sad to think that in 20 years Asian civilization may be the bastion of Earth's culture.

It was a long time ago too so it's not really something that's new. Also not sure why it's sad.

There's no good writing. Almost all the female books consist of them acting like "quirky" 20 year olds regardless of past characterization, complete with non threatening male z-list support characters.

And the constant reshuffling every year means there's no desire for the reader to commit. The "flagship" changes every year. All that hype for ANAD Avengers and team splits less than a year later? Trash

Whatever DC may do, Batman is pretty consistent and will always be there. It's also a solid 100k every month, or close to it. Marvel can't get Spidey to that level anymore, and the Avengers have almost never sold, outside of 2007-8 ish when Bendis made New Avengers the spine of the universe. And they trashed the x line which should be easy big sellers, to push teams that don't sell as well.

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>>91242073
>Gabriel clarified how Squirrel Girl, Ms. Marvel, The Mighty Thor, Spider-Gwen, Miles Morales, and Moon Girl continue to prove popular and won’t be going anywhere anytime soon.
>The Mighty Thor
>Not going anywhere anytime soon

>>91242947
Then there's their pathetic attempt at trying to win over the young adult women demographic by releasing the same book over and over again (Angela, Mockingbird, Hellcat, Wasp, Ms. America)

>>91242960
I like how this blubbering, vindictive voice of blame and indignation is being attributed to people going "yep, guess pandering to the tumblrites didn't work, time to try a new marketing gimmick".

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>>91242997
>There's no good writing. Almost all the female books consist of them acting like "quirky" 20 year olds regardless of past characterization, complete with non threatening male z-list support characters.

This is prominent in television, movies and video games too and it annoys the hell out of me.

I don't understand how we haven't advanced from ten years ago, other than insisting on hiring based on race/gender/ethnicity rather than talent.

>>91242856
Well they replaced Cass as Batgirl way before that with Steph