Name a more overrated cartoon. Pro tip: You can't

Rick and Morty.

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sorry OP
YOU LOSE

Whatever cartoon you like.

>>91219459
This.
No questions asked.

/mlp/

>>91219459
This one right here especially after Korra came out.

Your favorite.

>>91219437
He said overrated, not justifiably hated.

>>91219545
How does a shitty sequel change the quality of the original?

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Every episode is 'le dumb character destroys everything with his giant robot'.

It's not like Powerpuff Girls and Dexter's Lab haven't done this trope (and better)..

>>91219459
Nah, at least Avatar has good art. Samurai Jack can't even boast that.

>>91219641
PPG and DL are like little babies compared to Megas, /co/ntrarian anon.

every anime ever

>>91219667
At least SJ has unique art. Avatar definitely can't boast of having that.

>>91219701
>SJ
>unique

It looks just like Dexter's Lab
Powerpuff Girls
Two Stupid Dogs
Fairy Odd Parents
Yogi Bear
Snagglepuss
Huckleberry Hound
My Life As A Teenage Robot

and countless other "just draw that stupid super flat no shading no effort" look.

>>91219667
it just looks like anime, how is that good art?

>>91219790
>>91219832
People say /co/ isn't a hivemind, threads like these make me believe it.

>>91219459
Especially the Book Fire. The plotting and story is so misplaced it all cancelled itself out as a Big Waste of Time waiting for the exciting middle action and climax.

First half was wasting time infiltrating the Fire Nation and not even learning anything because they already know they're "good people we'll help when we overthrow Ozai."
>Let's go to their local school.
>Let's go to sword school
>Toph has a gambling problem.

And the second half was Zuko doing individual side-quests for each Gaang member.
>Zuko needs to go on a quest with Aang.
>Same with Sokka. They save Dad just to be separated for the rest of the show.
>Same with Katara.
They even poked fun at this convenience with Toph being 'rejected' her own.

And OH!! we forgot to give Aang a character arc. Here take this 'I won't kill anyone' dilemma.

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>so now it's rick morty samurai jack Wars?

wrost piece overated piece of shit

>>91219790
>Samurai Jack
>No effort
Have you seen Jack & The Haunted House?

>>91219667
Come on man.Both have pretty good art.

Just because you don't like something popular doesn't mean it's overrated.

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Steven universe

You can't deny it

>>91219427
Reddit & Memey

>>91219427
Symbionic Titan.

>>91219958
Was that the one where Jack slices up a robot with his sword?

>>91219674

Yeah, Megas is a braindead manchild, just like its fanbase.

>>91220420
Fag

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>>91220086
As much as I like the series, season 4 has been so bad and the fanbase is so autostically defensive about it that it makes me cringe hard.

>>91219427
Steven Universe

>>91219427
No new episode last night?

Wtf you guys told me there would be :^(

Symbionic Titan

>>91219427
Steven Univeres

>>91220689
Like a bull seeing red...

>>91220086
I will because even the old fans have been complaining about the last season. Show can't be too overrated with its own fans are saying that it's been shit lately.

>>91220508
I liked Room for Ruby, but overall yeah you're right. We need to get back to SINGING and CRYING and CRYING WHILE SINGING instead of this mediocre garbage

Yes I'm serious

>>91220309
https://youtu.be/ppSzERE1r4I

>>91219790
>super flat no shading no effort
Have you looked at literally a single frame of S5?

>>91219576
It's both in this case

>>91219667
You...You're memeing, right?

>>91221219
Sudoku Jack is the only shaded thing in the show though.

>>91220086
It was, for sure, but not anymore. Now even the fans are starting to complain about how mediocre it's getting.

>>91221374
Yeah. I like the show and all, but the nonexistent plots, flanderization, lack of any overarching story (or really any present antagonistic force at all), and the noticeable off-model has made it a slog to watch through.

>>91219641
>Overrated
>Megas XLR

It got cancelled for the exact opposite reasons, care to try again?

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>>91219427
Hello again, SUfag!

>>91220854
Yeah, there has been good episodes, but overall it's been a bore. Also some of the good episodes while good on their own are fucking shit when it comes to storytelling. Room for Ruby is a good example of this.
Also there has been good episodes that didn't advance anything like Lion 4 or were there just to remind you that Steven is angry at Rose. Like Lion 4 or Storm in the room.

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>>91222102
Who wore it better???

>>91219522
This
Do people forget the pre-/mlp/ days?

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>we live in a world where people reply to these threads thinking they have been, are, or will ever be anything but bait

I hate you all.

>>91220086
IMO Su is probably one of the most accurately rated shows on TV. Most fans will admit there has been some lost potential. While most critics will admit SU has many bright spots.

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>>91222984
Clip clop out, mate!

ITT: every show with even a little notoriety gets mentioned

>>91223052
>While most critics will admit SU has many bright spots.
It really doesn't, though.

You are right.

>>91219790
Lack of shading isn't what made SJs art unique...

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>>91219427
>>91219437
As someone who likes both I can't decide if it's going to be amusing or annoying to watch this war between the two fanbases develop, especially because it was due to a fucking April Fools pranks that really had nothing to do with either show's content.

...who am I kidding? It's probably going to be the latter.

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>>91219427
Die Cis Scum: The Cartoon

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Aw, all the good ones have been taken. How about this? Will this get me some (You)s?

>>91224149
What is, then?

>>91223249
Well, what did you expect when you stirred up a hornets' nest?

>>91219427
You're only saying this because of your disdain for Jackfags.

>>91224257
Is it just easy to say everything and move on?

>>91219459
This. Avatar is only considered great because western animation is a graveyard.

>>91224286
Nah, something like Megas which is awesome but almost entirely forgotten by everyone can't be overrated by definition. That anon is talking shit.

>>91224164
Same. This was Adult Swim's doing, NOT Samurai Jack OR Rick and Morty.

>>91224370

Just because it is not popular, doesn't mean it's not overrated by a vocal minority who see it as the second coming of Christ.

>>91219641
Kek, maybe if you watched every episode's ending and only the ending.

>All the people who claim samurai jack is overrated are the same faggots who tried jumping on the bandwagon a month ago when the new season was about to start

I mean it's not our fault you guys got your hopes way up for literally nothing. The only reason why the fanbase was excited is because they wanted closure they never got for 10+ years and unless you have been cucked for an ending for 10+ years clearly you aren't going to be as excited.

That being said, it's still good even at an entry point level, it's just half of you faggots demand some shitty deep story and there isn't one in SJ.

>>91219931
>First half was wasting time infiltrating the Fire Nation and not even learning anything because they already know they're "good people we'll help when we overthrow Ozai."
They were focused on their mission, in trying to prevent another genocide at the hands of Ozai. I'm not sure what you're complaining about there.
>Let's go to their local school.
Aang had to learn Firebending. See above.
>Let's go to sword school
That episode was great, fuck you.
>Toph has a gambling problem.
It isn't gambling if you can't lose. She was just abusing those con men.

>Zuko needs to go on a quest with Aang.
What is the problem here?
>Same with Sokka. They save Dad just to be separated for the rest of the show.
Why wouldn't Sokka save his father?
>Same with Katara.
Worst episode of the season.
>They even poked fun at this convenience with Toph being 'rejected' her own.
That is because the show doesn't take itself too seriously.

You're a faggot, man.

Family Guy is undoubtedly the most overrated cartoon.

>>91219790
>>91224534
You're fucking retarded. Avatar's art is generic anime shit for the most part. SJ's art style is so unique I can *immediately* recognize the most minor character from that show completely out of context, even if I haven't watched that specific episode in like forever. The fact that aspects of the character designs share SOME similarities with CN shows of that era is largely irrelevant.

>>91224596
>demand some shitty deep story and there isn't one in SJ.
Because Genndy seemingly doesn't want to do it for some reason. There's more than enough stuff in seasons 1-4 that could make for some AMAZING continuity in season 5 if he tried that.

>>91220420
Nah, the braindead manchild would be you for having such terrible taste

>>91220508
I didn't even bother to watch it. Season 3 was decent with peridot, but season 4 was so bad I even forgot about it

>>91220797
The show is total ass. I guess season one was fine, but it was decent. Art style feels really generic, and the cal arts head design is what makes this show a whole lot worse

>>91221374
It still is overrated

>>91220292
That show flopped though

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Is it?

At least on 4chan

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>>91219427
such lazy animation, they couldn't even draw the ears, just had an outline and said fuck it

>>91219459
Avatar has some great concepts and episodes. It was great for Nick to invest in such a production. You'd expect such a show on Toonami, but in the years after it's aired (even during), it's become very overhyped. The first season is a hard rewatch with many dull episodes until the riveting finale. The second season deserves any praise it gets. That finale was even better than the first. Avatar's issues came from introducing interesting concepts and dilemmas but not paying them off as strong as they could. They took the less interesting path. Aang having to let go of his attachment to enter the Avatar state on his own was an intriguing development. It added more weight to his eventual confrontation with the Fire Lord. Would he be able to let go of his love for the sake of the world?

Instead this dilemma is solved when he is pushed backwards into a rock formation. All his training that he did in the show is for naught as his past Avatar selves crush Ozai with ease.

It did not culminate as one expected it to. A good show with the potential to be great.

American Dad

I just marathoned the first 4 seasons after not watching the show since it aired so I could refresh myself before starting episode 5.

What site/torrent has the best quality for season 5 episodes?

>>91225649
The first 5 episodes of Book 2 are pretty shit though. Only the later episodes deserve serious praise (except The Serpent's Pass/The Drill - those were just terrible comparatively). OTOH, some of the early episodes are gold - the first 3 episodes and the Winter Solstice two-parter, and of course the brilliant tale of The Storm.

I completely disagree with you on the chakra thing though. That setup was retarded from the start, and shame on Ehasz for introducing it (though Bryke's mishandling later on didn't help matters much). "Giving up love for the greater good" is such a cheap trope I don't want to see it anywhere NEAR great shows like that. I also have a nasty feeling it was originally for Zutara.

>>91224273
No, he thinks it makes him cool

>>91219427
>le epic asian man slices up robots with his sword

Rinse
Lather
Repeat
See you next week

>>91226088
someone hasn't watched the show and is just going off what they've read about it

>>91226088
How many robots did he slice last week?

>>91225181
(You).

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>ITT: Cartoon everyone likes but I don't

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>>91219427

>>91226307
I wouldn't know, I got treated to a Rick and Morty episode in it's time slot instead

>>91226357
So overrated it had to get it's own containment board.

>>91226357
hahaha this.

everyone liked it because it was a mediocre show at best, but it was CHALLENGING GENDER STEREOTYPES/ it was "cool" to be outside of the demographic. It was never even that good

>>91219427
So we're gonna start pretending that Samurai Jack is bad? Great. Fine. Call me when /co/ gets done retroactively hating stuff.

>>91224198
Not saying the show is that good, but the
>lol tumblr propaganda
is complete bullshit.

They show 3 female protagonists who are broken records, who can't raise a child properly. Meanwhile there are 3 single fathers who are depicted as mature, responsible, and positive father figures (besides marty).

>Die Cis Scum: The Cartoon
you haven't seen the show.

>>91224747
Seasons 1-4 have no coherent continuity. He built a world for things to happen in. You can't just establish a story now and do a bunch of call backs to older episodes and say that the plot has always been there. That's what hacks do.

>>91221062
Lame and uninteresting, seriously this show is lame af, overratter, overhype garbo dude. get over it

>>91219427
>>91219437
>>91219459
These are all underrated.

>>91226922
Not callbacks. Seasons 1-4 had enough setup for ACTUAL continuity.

>>91227389
Your point makes no sense. We all know there isn't no continuity. I'm bitching about the people who expected it from a highly acclaimed series. Not all good cartoons need continuity to be quality.

>>91228032
This one does. I'm pissed the Guardian is going to be "addressed" instead of being a major part of the show. I'm pissed the Scotsman hasn't appeared in 3 episodes. I'm pissed we will probably never see Da Samurai again. I'm pissed about the Emperor quasi-retcon. And most of all, but this one is a special one from me - I haven't seen anyone else complaining about it: I'm pissed that Jack will probably never call upon the power of his ancestors again, like in the Ultrabot ep.

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>Western comics and cartoon still can't make a """villain""" as consistently morally complex and deep as Griffith

The realization hit me today, and it's just kind of sad desu

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>>91228665
>as complex as Griffith
I mean i like Zuko and all but come on now

>>91226432
Even the most mediocre episode is better than Shounen garbage like Jack

>>91226086
Probably both, but SJ is a good show with compelling characteristics. Considering it never ended in story but went off air, late millennials and early Gen Z are naturally gonna shit themselves because the prodigal son has returned, and with the same characteristics as the past in addition to well placed new ones.

>>91224164
The last thing I wanted was for there to be some stupid "fandom war" getting in the way of Samurai Jack's final season, especially with reddit meme trash like Rick and Morty.

>>91219437
WAAAAH APRIL FOOLS HURT MUH FEELINGS!

>>91228128
>50 years and Jack understandably goes a little nuts
>season made to wrap this shit up
>why no this? Why no that?
Shit man, Da Samurai is probably dead, they say Aku has destroyed all the portals, and the focus is closure for Jack. All of that other stuff were aspects of Jack's journey. They don't have to happen again, what matters is they happened and have built him. We're passed the strange new people, we're passed him getting buffed by Japanese trickery, this is about putting him to rest.

>>91219576
Cry more

>>91220211
Hey look! It's that whiney bitch from the cry baby thread last night! Welcome back, bitch baby!

>>91228567
>Evil as fuck but it's okay because greater good I am enlightened philosopher king and also my shirt came undone?

>complex or deep

lol

>>91229789
>they say Aku has destroyed all the portals
That's called a retcon where I'm from.

>>91229789
>the focus is closure for Jack
Then WHY THE FUCK is half the season supposedly focused on Ashi!?

>>91229845
That's not a retcon at all though. That's a thing that happened over a time skip; not retroactive at all.

Where you're from is stupid.

>>91229980
I'm talking about the Guardian's portal. If it's destroyed too that's a retcon, no doubt about it.

>>91230049
>they say so it's positively true
If they said all portals are destroyed, why would they address the guardian that truly were the case?

>>91230140
English, please.

>>91224164
>>91224438
>please guys, stop talking shit about the shows I like, it's offending me and making me uncomfortable, to the point I can't use sarcasm to hide my shallow, depressing, life,
And they say SU's fanbase are cancer.

>>91219427

SVTFOE is the most overrated show of this decade

>>91229949
>Supposedly
Who's to say Ashi isn't Jack on the other side of the coin and she's a surrogate for us ultimately learn more about him? Besides they're teammates, gotta have a little expansion on her and I'm willing to bet she's an aid to the culmination of the man and his journey, Samurai Jack.

>>91230287
It's mediocre, which means it beats every other original cartoon made this decade by default.

SJ fans, I said *original*

>>91230326
still would prefer more Scotsman/Guardian/Samoorai to some random chick we never saw before and some aspects of whom are very cringey

>>91229821
>Evil as fuck
Wrong

>>91230379
Your preferences however, would interfere with the narrative. What do all of those other elements have that brings something more meaningful to Jack than a living breathing reflection of himself? The entire theme of this is ripped right from Joseph Campbell's playbook probably because Genndy saw that a hero like Jack needs a hero's end, whatever it may be.

>>91220086
this
h
i
s

>>91219427
>"It's popular so I hate it!"

Don't stop now, OP. You have to link the show to some boogeyman website to justify your irrational hatred. Might I suggest Tumblr? Always a classic choice.

Prick and Shorty

>>91231121
Well, if that's what Genndy wanted he should have (a) written a better "reflection" character and (b) spent no more than one, maybe two episodes on said character. Anything else is just bullshit.

>>91234526
Better is subjective, these are just your personal reservations.

>>91226493
>They show 3 female protagonists who are broken records
Women love characters with tragedy and OMG FEELS, tumblr fucking loves it

I'm glad people mentioned ATLA and Over the garden wall. I don't understand why they are placed on pedestals.

ATLA was great mostly, sure, but the last season was complete BS.
OTGW was just meh through and through.

>>91224899
The SU crew are probably the most inconsistent in character proportions in all of western media cause it's all over the place.

>>91219459
Nah, you can actually criticize that show and get away with it. Samurai Jack is /co/'s sacred cow even though a decent chunk of the episodes aren't as special as people pretend they are.

>>91219427
die faggot

>>91219790
i didnt know it was possible to be this retarded

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Since when has 4chan allowed reddit trolls to take over their own damn board. Why does /co/ allow themselves to get harrassed by reddit and their below memetiered rick and morty show?

>>91219790
fuck off John K

>>91219427
I can't.
Don't get me wrong, it's good but people act like it's untouchable perfection when it just isn't. The problem is that it's so basic in its formula that it can't make any huge mistakes, there's little risk creatively so you get a baseline of decent episodes with a few high points. People only really remember the memorable great episodes and act as though the whole show was like that.

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>>91219790
>Defends rick and morty for using the same stupid jokes
>Insults other shows that actually have a uniqueness to them

Reddit sure does suck.

>>91234526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJSvKRuDNrw

Watch around the 7 minute mark.

>>91239267
this. there's some episodes that feel like they didn't need to exist at all.

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>>91239326
Overrated means that I'm judging other people's reactions, not criticizing the show itself, that's not projection.

Also, to clarify, I think SJ's very good but still the most overrated show. On /co/ at least, other audience provide other answers. Mainstream it might be Family Guy or something.

>>91219790
Except, you know, the fact that it uses no outlines

How can you be this objectively wrong?

>>91219459
Avatar is THE wasted potential show.

>>91219522
>>91222785
Can't believe I forgot. But is this thread about currently overrated or overrated at its peak? Tough to decide.

>>91239440
>even episodes /co/ worships like Jump Good aren't very good at all.
I'm glad somebody else feels this way as well

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>>91239481
>come at me bro
Are you 12?

south park (until that last season)

The Loud House,
Search over,
I'm gonna go take a shit.

>>91219427
I dunno, I don't see people widespread claiming it's the greatest cartoon of all time. It definitely deserves the praise it gets; at least, I don't see any glaring flaws. Keep in mind that the new episodes of Samurai Jack isn't its own series, it's the fifth season of a somewhat story-oriented show; you can't really just rate the 10 new episodes as their own series, so complaints such as a lack of exposition and world-building are moot, as every other season of the show more or less did solely that.
>>91219437
Overrated by normies, but on /co/ and 4chan in general, I think it gets a little too much hate. It definitely does have an obnoxious air of superiority, and there's a pretty large number of bad episodes, let alone bad jokes, so I'd say you're right.
>>91219459
Agreed. I do like the concept of the show, and while it can be visually impressive, the story's pacing and the characters can all be pretty lacking. Granted that it's been a long time since I've watched it, but I wouldn't bother going back to watch through it again.
>>91219522
That goes without saying.
>>91219790
>It doesn't have shading so the art is bad
>It doesn't have shading so it looks like any other drawing without shading
So, in other words, you've never seen a single episode of the show.
>>91219952
I reluctantly agree. I like the old-timey theme, the general semi-muted, warm coloring of the show, and the design of the scenery, and even the character design, but aside from one or two episodes, it's really fucking boring and slow and really drags its heels to get to the point. That, and the little kid is annoying, and is only there because they contractually needed some shitty comic relief character.
>>91220086
As someone who watches SU, you're 100% right. The only reason I still watch the show is because I think Lapis and Pearl are cute.
>>91224217
I'll give you a pity (you), if only because Scrooge is the only good character on the show.

>>91239267
I'll give you that it's not perfect, and that there's a good amount of bland episodes, but I wouldn't say they're the majority, and I definitely wouldn't say the show doesn't take creative risks, if only because of how stagnant western animation is. My one complaint is that there's no true overarching story, and that you can hop into the series at any point and not really miss anything, but that was clearly a result of that being the norm in the west, and that animated shows generally don't have overarching stories.

Also, I just don't see that many people claiming it's perfect, to the point where it's an issue. Every show has a decent chunk of people who think it's perfect; normies will generally claim that anything they like is flawless.

>>91224164
>>91224438
This.
while I put samurai jack way, way, way above R&M I see no reason why fans of both couldn't have gotten to see the shows they had scheduled.
neither show deserved this mess.
especially as an announcement of R&M early premier.

It was like saturday morning cartoons all over again, I had my bowl of cereal in hand as is customary for that ritual and [as] pissed in it and canceled the whole cartoon block.

>>91220508
I think there's still a couple episodes I haven't caught up on, even with how much hiatus time I've had to watch them. I just haven't gotten much real joy out of the series for a while, and it's a shame, because I thought it had real potential at one point.

>>91219427
its hilarious how quickly this board goes full contrarian and will turn on anything that is remotely popular

>>91241583
it's not hilarious, it's retarded.

>>91219459
I agree that Avatar is overrated as fuck but at least it had a coherent story and somewhat decent and likable characters. Samurai Jack on the other hand is nothing but one-off wacky adventures starring the most charisma-less and bland MC ever made, which took over a decade to finally get a conclusion in the form of an edgy as fuck grimdark 5th season that nostalgic 90s kiddies will still whack off to no matter how shitty it turns out.

>>91226036
>"Giving up love for the greater good" is such a cheap trope I don't want to see it anywhere NEAR great shows like that.
You're oversimplifying it. You can still love without being bound by it. It's the ability to let go that unlocked the Avatar State. This is evidenced by the fact that Aang fully mastered the Avatar State while still loving Katara.

>shame on Ehasz for introducing it
Didn't Bryke write 'The Guru?' Chakras and all that spiritual shit is right up Bryke's alley so I would be surprised if Ehasz was solely responsible for their introduction.
Also I disagree with you, I think the chakras and unlocking the Avatar State was one of the more compelling parts of Book 2.

>>91224635
>>Same with Katara.
>Worst episode of the season.
Southern Raiders is the worst episode of book 3? What the fuck are you smoking?

>>91242295
best episode of Book 3 is more like it actually

>>91239286
Where does that post even mention Rick and Morty?

>>91219427
Oh I can. I can mother fucker.
It's Courage the Cowardly Dog.

>>91219427
Whatever cartoon you like.

>>91242250
I'm only talking about the seventh chakra attachment issue, not the whole Guru episode (which may possibly have been more Bryke's doing, though I doubt it).

It's pretty clear to me that Ehasz wanted to prevent Kataang from happening by setting up this cliche trope right here. Instead of having Aang and Katara grow apart naturally (which was very much possible to write well, BTW), Aang would be forced to give up on Katara because of some bullshit tripe that isn't even self-consistent - notice how the Guru doesn't actually address Aang's point about "three chakras ago, that was a good thing".

>>91242318
Avatar and the Firelord, Black Sun pt. 2, Firebending Masters, Southern Raiders and The Old Masters. Top 5 for me by far.

>>91242358
I just checked, Bryke did in fact write 'The Guru.'

Did you read what I said? Aang didn't need to permanently sever his connection to Katara to unlock the Avatar state. The ability to let go does not prevent Aang from still loving Katara, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to master it at the end. "Letting go' does not imply a permanent severance. You seem like you want an excuse to hate on Ehasz.

>>91242375
Firebending Masters is pretty much utter garbage
The Avatar and the Firelord tries way too hard to be edgy and seriously fucks up the lore as a result
Black Sun part 2 is nonsensical, but so is part 1

>>91242458
Those are some strong opinons anon. Would you care to elaborate a little?

>>91242458
>Team Avatar surrounds Azula who is alone and without her firebending
>somehow completely fucking fail at capturing her
>Toph could have encased her in walls of stone but nope
>Katara could immobilize her with bloodbending but fuck that
>Aang could have created a vacuum around her head or just simply blast her with his fucking airbending but lel haha the show must go on

Easily the second dumbest part of the series behind the giant deus ex machina turtle. Man did this show go to complete and utter shit in the third season.

>>91242476
Firebending Masters is childish from start to end, the interactions between Aang and Zuko are super cringeworthy, the plotline so cliched you might think a 5-year-old wrote it, and the "training" from the dragons lasting all of 3 seconds may be the biggest copout in the show
it also features the massive plothole of Katara letting Aang and Zuko leave alone after being so fearful for him she said that stuff to Zuko prev ep

The Avatar and the Firelord, on the other hand, you can feel that a lot more effort was put into it. Unfortunately, it also featured the randomly abrupt breakdown of a friendship that could only happen with both characters acting OOC compared to their previous portrayals in said ep, a completely meaningless "plot twist" at the end (what exactly could Sozin have done that Roku's dragon couldn't?), really messed up ages because Writers Cannot Do Math (sorry), and a speech from Iroh that is not only extremely cringeworthy because of its implications in terms of destiny in that world, but also has him break his silence and shatter the impact it would have had in Sozin's Comet

I see someone else has already pointed out one thing about Black Sun, but there's a lot more (and I actually don't see that one as that bad)
I'll try to get to it later

>>91242541
>Toph could have encased her in walls of stone but nope
She did, but Azula had Dai Li agents with her.
>Katara could immobilize her with bloodbending but fuck that
Katara wasn't even fucking there at the time.
>Aang could have created a vacuum around her head or just simply blast her with his fucking airbending but lel haha the show must go on
The whole point was to interrogate her, not to kill her.

>>91242572
Well damn I look silly now. Guess it's high time to rewatch the series,

>>91242568
>and the "training" from the dragons lasting all of 3 seconds may be the biggest copout in the show
Okay this one I get, but I liked the Indian Jones style story. It was simple but fun, well for me at least.
>it also features the massive plothole of Katara letting Aang and Zuko leave alone after being so fearful for him she said that stuff to Zuko prev ep
What could she do? Aang had already taken him on as a teacher, there's not really anything she could've done. He needed to learn at some point.

>randomly abrupt breakdown of a friendship that could only happen with both characters acting OOC compared to their previous portrayals in said ep,
You forget they had not seen one another in decades, and their previous encounter was a fight.
>but also has him break his silence and shatter the impact it would have had in Sozin's Comet
Fair point.

>I HATE THING, I HATE THING, DID I MENTION I HATE THING
Why is /co/ suddenly /v/? Is this simply because your collective asses were ravaged by Adult Swim's 4/1 joke?

All good, it's hard for me to remember details too. I was obsessed once upon a time though so that helps.

>>91242610
>What could she do? Aang had already taken him on as a teacher, there's not really anything she could've done. He needed to learn at some point.
That's entirely irrelevant. Katara had just uttered a fucking DEATH THREAT. For her character, that means she has gone completely irrational. Knowing her, she should have first ruled it out altogether regardless of need, and then insisted everyone who fits on Appa come along - or her alone at the VERY LEAST.
>You forget they had not seen one another in decades, and their previous encounter was a fight.
I'm referring to the original wedding scene. Roku just shut Sozin, his supposed best friend, down like a complete douchebag over one idea he didn't like, and Sozin just decided to ignore him entirely for one moment of being an asshole.

I notice you only quoted some of my points, so I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with others.

>>91242640
>>91242606

All of the cartoon (You) like.
Especially your favorite.

>>91242541
>Man did this show go to complete and utter shit in the third season.
>he thinks I can't bring up this type of stuff from Book 2 eps, even Crossroads of Destiny itself
This show was pretty shitty from the start, despite being the greatest cartoon ever created, which really says a lot about Western animation

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>>91242656
Katara doesn't control Aang. She probably wasn't that okay with it, but she put her trust in Aang's judgment/ability. I think it's a fair point, and it would've been nice to see Katara's opinion on it, but I can buy it enough for it to not detract from the rest of the episode.

>I'm referring to the original wedding scene. Roku just shut Sozin, his supposed best friend, down like a complete douchebag over one idea he didn't like, and Sozin just decided to ignore him entirely for one moment of being an asshole.
It's not just 'an idea he didn't like', he was proposing war, something the Avatar is not going to negotiate ever. Growing apart after that is believable.

>I notice you only quoted some of my points, so I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with others.
Most of them I thought were negligible. Poor maths and Sozin not being necessary don't detract from my experiece personally.

>>91242674
>This show was pretty shitty from the start
Just because something has flaws doesn't make it 'shitty.' That's a bit of an exaggeration don't ya think? I'd put more weight on your opinion if you didn't talk in extremes.

>>91242568
>>91242743
Moving on to Black Sun! The entire invasion plan was nonsensical because of one obvious factor: AANG DIDN'T HAVE THE AVATAR STATE. Why the writers thought they could just shove the most important fact of the entire battle into a joke scene at the very beginning and have nobody even mention it afterwards is a mystery for the ages, though I just blame hack writing. It also completely screws up Aang's dilemma in the finale (much worse than the lion turtle WHICH WAS AWESOME BTW, FUCK THE HATERS), by making him look like an immature kid here who doesn't realize what he's actually going to war to do. Finally, the reason for them retreating after Azula "wasted" their time is never really explained, probably because there wasn't one - if Aang is unable or unwilling to kill, what does anyone think is going to happen 8 minutes later when Ozai gets his power back?

Other anon's points on Azula have largely been refuted already, by the way, but I've seen some people complain about the Gaang not killing her outright, to which I say: did you see them just straight up murdering anyone else in the show? (The "getting information" argument doesn't work though, since this is after they decided to just ignore her and try to find Ozai on their own.)

>>91219427
Reddit and Memey.

>>91242743
>Katara doesn't control Aang.
If she insisted she had to come along, there's no way Aang would disagree for more than a minute, and I actually can't think of a reason why he wouldn't WANT her to go anyways (other than not having much to do, I suppose, but that's a stupid reason).
>It's not just 'an idea he didn't like', he was proposing war, something the Avatar is not going to negotiate ever.
That does not remotely justify Roku's behavior. Again, Sozin was supposedly his BEST FRIEND - Roku should have done everything possible to convince Sozin it was a terrible idea, maybe even pleading with him to think how the Fire Nation might be affected if things go wrong.
>Poor maths and Sozin not being necessary don't detract from my experiece personally.
Poor math can be handwaved, sure (and AFAIK that's exactly what was done "officially"). Sozin not being necessary there is some of the worst writing I've ever seen, OTOH, and probably ruins my experience of the episode more than any other single problem with it.

>>91242827
>The entire invasion plan was nonsensical because of one obvious factor: AANG DIDN'T HAVE THE AVATAR STATE.
He wouldn't have needed it because Ozai wouldn't be able to bend during the eclipse.

>much worse than the lion turtle WHICH WAS AWESOME BTW, FUCK THE HATERS
The lion turtle is still a cop out, but it was still cool I'll grant you that.

> if Aang is unable or unwilling to kill, what does anyone think is going to happen 8 minutes later when Ozai gets his power back?
I agree with this 100%. It wasn't explained what they were planning to do with Ozai, and if Aang was planning on killing him, that doesn't make sense given the moral dilemma he goes through in the finale. I still enjoyed the episode a lot though.

>The "getting information" argument doesn't work though, since this is after they decided to just ignore her and try to find Ozai on their own.
They figured out it was a lost cause. Azula would never give up the info AND she gained her bending back. It makes sense.

>>91226088
This. Nice digits by the way

>>91242877
>I actually can't think of a reason why he wouldn't WANT her to go anyways
Because he's going to learn firebending, and the last time he did that he burned Katara. Also, it's important that Aang is focused on his firebending, and Katara would just be a distraction.
>That does not remotely justify Roku's behavior. Again, Sozin was supposedly his BEST FRIEND - Roku should have done everything possible to convince Sozin it was a terrible idea, maybe even pleading with him to think how the Fire Nation might be affected if things go wrong.
Perhaps he should've done, but I can understand his immediate gut reaction to hearing something like that, especially from a friend.

>Sozin not being necessary there is some of the worst writing I've ever seen,
Sozin not being necessary isn't important. They weren't going to be able to stop the volcano regardless. The point is that he lent a hand to an old friend, only to then leave him to die.

>>91242879
>The lion turtle is still a cop out
It's not a copout in the slightest way, and not even because Aang's dilemma was brought up way too late to make a real impact on the audience. The actual reasoning: because (a) it made no difference to the outcome, which was really determined by that lightning moment and (b) it SHOULD have made no difference to the outcome, because something like gluebending surely exists (prisonbending? I don't know, are you telling me it's impossible to contain firebenders, even powerful ones?). Not to mention that depowering Ozai has an unclear impact on the Fire Nation, many of whom may not be so happy at seeing their leader deposed.
>He wouldn't have needed it because Ozai wouldn't be able to bend during the eclipse.
Sure, but that doesn't square with what Sokka said ("we have a secret: YOU"), since there's nothing else particularly special about Aang that the Fire Nation should fear. It also makes the Gaang look REALLY stupid for not questioning the Earth King about what he may have told Azula - at least if Aang had the AS they would still have quite the element of surprise.

>>91242931
>Because he's going to learn firebending, and the last time he did that he burned Katara.
Fuck it, you got me there. That's rare, nice job anon.
>Also, it's important that Aang is focused on his firebending, and Katara would just be a distraction.
I just said this is a stupid reason, and it still is.
>Perhaps he should've done, but I can understand his immediate gut reaction to hearing something like that, especially from a friend.
That's a decent in-universe explanation that does not excuse the poor writing one bit.
>Sozin not being necessary isn't important. They weren't going to be able to stop the volcano regardless. The point is that he lent a hand to an old friend, only to then leave him to die.
That's not what I'm referring to. My point is that Sozin DIDN'T "leave him to die" from what we saw, because even Fang (a massive, FLYING dragon) was not able to save Roku at that point. In other words, Sozin's presence was entirely pointless, INCLUDING the supposed betrayal.

>>91242788
Having massive, unaccounted-for plotholes and/or other bizarre writing issues IN EVERY SINGLE EPISODE makes it pretty fucking shitty.

>>91243043
You just described every anime ever

>>91242965
I'm not a fan of the lion turtle/energybending because it wasn't a thing until the finale. I don't hate it, but it feels cheap because it was so last minute.

>Sure, but that doesn't square with what Sokka said ("we have a secret: YOU"), since there's nothing else particularly special about Aang that the Fire Nation should fear.
It's entirely possible that Sokka wasn't aware that Aang wasn't able to enter the Avatar State at that point. Either way, Aang is still a very powerful bender in his own right, one of few who could really stand a chance against the Firelord even without the AS.

>It also makes the Gaang look REALLY stupid for not questioning the Earth King about what he may have told Azula
Fuck this is very true. I actually can't believe I didn't think of that.

>>91243028
>I just said this is a stupid reason, and it still is.
I respectfully disagree.
>that does not excuse the poor writing one bit.
It's not poor writing if it's in character and makes sense.
>My point is that Sozin DIDN'T "leave him to die" from what we saw, because even Fang (a massive, FLYING dragon) was not able to save Roku at that point. In other words, Sozin's presence was entirely pointless, INCLUDING the supposed betrayal.
thought Sozin took off before Fang got to Roku. Didn't Roku tell Fang to leave earlier, hence the dragon was too late to save him? Sozin could've saved Roku with his dragon, so it's still a betrayal either way.

>>91243174
>I'm not a fan of the lion turtle/energybending because it wasn't a thing until the finale. I don't hate it, but it feels cheap because it was so last minute.
I often think I would join the haters if it wasn't for that clear foreshadowing moment in the library. (Yes, there was no mention of energybending, but you can't seriously expect there to be nothing "new" in a 4-parter finale anyways.)
>It's entirely possible that Sokka wasn't aware that Aang wasn't able to enter the Avatar State at that point.
I don't think he was aware of that. My point is that that's the reasoning the show gives us for the modified invasion plan, and Aang's stupidity in not mentioning this to Sokka is inexcusable.
>Either way, Aang is still a very powerful bender in his own right, one of few who could really stand a chance against the Firelord even without the AS.
Then what's the point of the whole show!? Why does Aang even bother learning the elements?
>I respectfully disagree.
I'm really trying to respect your opinion here, but boredom is not a valid reason for ignoring justified fear for someone's safety. Period.
>It's not poor writing if it's in character and makes sense.
It's OOC compared to what we knew of Roku up to that point. Even Sozin's actions in terms of ignoring Roku and going ahead with the plan are OOC in terms of what we had seen of him - in the ep itself until then!
>thought Sozin took off before Fang got to Roku. Didn't Roku tell Fang to leave earlier, hence the dragon was too late to save him? Sozin could've saved Roku with his dragon, so it's still a betrayal either way.
This is pretty much the only way I've found to explain it away, but then it becomes a Contrived Coincidence (that Fang just happened to be much farther away for some unexplained reason), and that trope is usually pure shit.

>>91243344
>My point is that that's the reasoning the show gives us for the modified invasion plan
I don't remember that at all. The modified invasion plan was because the Earth Kingdom fell.
>Then what's the point of the whole show!? Why does Aang even bother learning the elements?
They thought he wouldn't have to because of the eclipse. As soon as the plan fails, they go back to their original strategy.
>I'm really trying to respect your opinion here, but boredom is not a valid reason for ignoring justified fear for someone's safety. Period.
It's not boredom. Aang wouldn't have wanted Katara there besides the burn thing, because he would want to learn one on one from Zuko. Whatever Katara wants to do is irrelevant. She has no choice but to just trust Aang.
>It's OOC compared to what we knew of Roku up to that point. Even Sozin's actions in terms of ignoring Roku and going ahead with the plan are OOC in terms of what we had seen of him - in the ep itself until then!
Roku and Sozin had aged 10 years without seeing one another. Roku's duty as the Avatar and trying to keep balance is consistent with his stubborn refusal. Sozin's ambition to expand the fire nation took precedent over his old friend. We hadn't seen any of Sozin in the interim, so we can't say that's OOC.
>This is pretty much the only way I've found to explain it away, but then it becomes a Contrived Coincidence
You may be right, but this is just a nitpick honestly.

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>>91219427
>this entire thread

>>91243105
Fuck you anon, Cardcaptor Sakura was pure

/co/ would hate pre-zombie Simpsons if it aired today. You're all a bunch of hipsters___.

>>91242339
OH NO YOU DIDN'T
BEST CARTOON CARTOON DIPSHIT

>>91245796
>stutter posting
when will this dumb joke end? worse than cutting yourself of in a realization

>>91246144
WTF does that even mean
Courage is best Cartoon Cartoon, every other one of them is a silly kiddie show

>>91247555
>Cartoon Cartoon
keep stuttering man, it's funny i guess?

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>>91247732
Are you completely fucking retarded?

>>91247764
Sorry I didn't know about that block

>>91222102
I remember the glorious day OP got dick'd

>>91247813
It's no mere block though

CN originals were officially known as "Cartoon Cartoons" until the early 2000s

>>91247885
I see. I've heard the term a few times but I didn't look into it.

I never watched TV between 1998 and I think 2004, and then it was a slow-build. Didn't have TV starting in 1995 and got it in 2002, but was in College at the time.

I sure do love making myself look like an idiot then