JSA Storytime: Manhunter

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>>91199156
can we talk about the obvious and incoming Marvel retrenchment without shitposting? I'm sure we can

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>>91199188

>>91199156
Hello, Storyteller.

Kind of a shame this book got cancelled. It'd be nice to get more female-led books with this much effort put into them.

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>>91199253
I'd give a lot for a book in the spirit of this one to be coming out right now. I guess they think Batwoman is kind of fitting that niche but I don't care about Gotham and Bennett's not a fraction of the writer that Andreyko was on this

So, about that Mr. David....

>>91199188
Rich the Leech was right.

Also RIP Comics Alliance.

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>>91199329
the IRS does not 'forget', alas

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>>91199354
LOLOLOL

>>91199347
I rolled my eyes at CA an awful lot and Hudson >>>>>>>> Wheeler, but they at least did make arguments about books instead of solely chugging publisher cock

>>91199285
Batwoman and Mother Panic. Both of their civilian identities and lives are well apart from Kate's here though. Both have that "female Bruce Wayne" thing going on where their excesses as socialites are cover/an outlet for their frustrations as a cape. With Kate it's basically the other way around and her civilian life is much more conventional and relatable.

>>91199347
I'm the angry guy shitposting about his Doom Patrol "news."

If no one wants to click his shit, here's a summary:
#6 will be out in April
Trade in June
#7 in July

So, a two month break between story arcs

>>91199329
Don't mess with gypsies man.

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>>91199391
Mother Panic is scratching the itch, that's right, I'm just behind on it

How about Mark Russell/Ben Dewey, holy shit

>“The Paul Jenkins, Jae Lee Inhumans is $34.99. It’s a 304-page graphic novel. By comparison (it’s not entirely a fair comparison), Batman: The Long Halloween at 340-something pages is $24.99. Gabriel responded. Two things there, if those prices came down, we’re going to run the problem that people are going to jump from the comics just to the trades, because the trades are going to be 50 percent cheaper to buy than the comics,” he said.

>“In order to make sure that they made money, our trades had to be a little more expensive,” he said... “Now we’re in a fix, because do you want to have a $34.99 Inhumans edition out there as well as a $19.99 one? To me, that’s going to cause a lot of problems as well.

>>91199391
So, Violet and Kate have definitely had a thing before, right?
>>91199423
The last two issues (and the next one) have had a different artist, and the entire tone for the book has kind of changed.

>>91199423
They both actually have the family thing going on too. Like how Kate's sister (and then dad, and now mom) are supervillains. I appreciated Bennett weaving back the dad thing a bit and with Violet her family is totally bound up in her powers and quest for revenge. But neither of them is how it is here, and both are younger.

>One tactic that worked on an issue that wasn’t a #1 recently was a special up-priced issue. “When we’re going from the $3.99 to the $9.99 Spider‑Man we almost tripled sales,” Gabriel pointed out.

>“Yes, there were incentives put on it. There were some variants, but to see triple sales on the $9.99 Spider‑Man book and to hear from half of the retailers saying, ‘This helped make our week,’ and then another portion of the retailers saying, ‘Shame on you Marvel for making us more money,’ we sit back. The only thing we have to look at are the numbers and comments like that. We’ll go with the numbers any day, because we’re interested in making us and you money.”

This guy in the comments put it best...

>The thing is while a higher priced special issue may raise sales, increasing the regular price doesn't have the same effect. It's the SPECIAL part that increases sales, not the higher price.

WHAT THE FUCK IS MARVEL THINKING?

>>91199381
The problem is legitimate criticism became hopelessly bound up in seeing identity stuff, and identity stuff that suited the writer at that.

>>91199460
You can never step around the art. The shift and how that changed the tone was pretty big I agree.

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>>91199423
Any Eurofriends here? I went down the hole of trying to figure out more about those Finnish Donald Duck circulation stats that everyone uses as a stick to beat the US market with, and just came out even madder at the argument.

>>91199472
Man if Marvel have convinced themselves raising prices increases sales I gotta get some popcorn for where this is going.

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>>91199531
so the current line is "the diverse books are great Marvel's just not marketed them adequately", which isn't not true, and yet...

Marvel is honest to god retarded. They have learned absolutely nothing and took away the wrong lessons from it.

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>>91199575
The thing that really grates against that is that Marvel's getting butchered in the digital realm as well, as best we can tell, and that's supposed to be the savior of diverse books who have audiences that don't want to go to creepy LCSes

>>91199559
I wonder if they will try more $40 CLASSIFIED SURPRISE trades in the future.

Has that one thing been revealed yet? It's secret Empire stuff, right?

>>91199381
I have a lot of issues with CA, but damn if they didn't try to shill 2000AD stuff really hard. For that alone I'm a bit bummed out.

>>91199531
Not Euro in a way that I was exposed to those as a kid except on holiday in Spain, Italy, etc. but please share.

>It was the old things coming back in that time period, three books in particular, Spider-Man Renew Your Vows, that had Spider-Man and Mary Jane married, that worked. The Venom book worked and the Thanos book worked. You can take what you want out of who might be enjoying those three books, but it is definitely a specific type of comic book reader, comic book collector that really liked those three series.

>>91199575
What books ARE Marvel promoting then? Because they sure as fuck aren't promoting Nova and didn't Promote Foolkiller!

>>91199252
Nah Kate, you still suck at banter.

>>91199531
>Kate's a cougar dating a much younger guy
Goddammit, Kate.

>>91199650
Probably because those books had stuff that the fans of those characters actually wanted.

>>91199188
PeOPle were talkIng Shit the NeogAF threAd, but I took a Good lonG lOok aT the link and it was basically the same conversation being had here.

Someone raised the idea of Daken being a better person to take on Wolverine's title than Laura and I agree.

Are we going to see what became of Dylan in Gotham?

>>91199678
Oh that reminds me. Which Manhunter did Ostrander write?

That Marvel guy's a fucking idiot. He said that since Wizard is no more you can't have A list artists anymore besides few since audience doesn't have a top 10 list and artists can't move the needle. Well maybe if you put a talent on an A list book and that's not double shipping and let him do his work there for a few years, maybe.....
I dunno, that's a PR disaster of a stupidly enormous scale if I've seen one. You're not only insulting your readers but your artists/potential artists and other professionals as well.

>>91199650
I wonder what Slott would actually do if they walked back on the marriage.

>>91199660
The art makes him look equivalent or older all the same. This lends further support to the Kate/Dick ship though.

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>>91199631
So I asked a Finn, who said "Well, the translations are excellent and that's much of the appeal, but it's also an entrenched cultural thing that's immensely popular, and it has a lot to do with our culture of literacy." And looking at this astounding database for the comics, two things hop out:

1) the cartooning is charming but simple, far simpler than what we take for granted in a Big Two cape book
2) they're anthos and accordingly they pull from a lot of older material. So there may be 4 pages of a running story new for the antho, 6 pages of classic Carl Barks, and pages of something from a Dutch Donald Duck mag newly translated.

>>91199678
we can do that

>>91199657
I've seen nothing about the three Daredevil "spin-offs" that they launched last month. Elektra is doing the "best" followed by Kingpin and Bullseye (best being 44K for a #1)

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>>91199719
Mark Shaw

also, we know cybernetic eyes are nothing but problems

>>91199329
Do tell.

>>91199724
>tfw Kate/Dick went nowhere
Fuck this

Give me that ship instead of the usual

>>91199395
That was the most clickbait thing that he's done in recent memory. Literally just making shit up.

>>91199723
They also keep artist like Land and Malin who cause noticable slumps in sales.

>>91199354
>the IRS does not 'forget', alas
Not even Blade is safe from the IRS.

>>91199766


>>91190421

Peter David didn't pay IRS taxes because he kind of forgot about them when he was getting divorced, and they have come knocking 20 years later

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>>91199745
But tl;dr, everyone who fusses about how the Euro market works and uses 300k a week Finnish Duck comics to support their argument is being incredibly disingenuous

>>91199808
I did my taxes the other day!

>>91199826
>I did my taxes the other day!
Same here.

>>91199725
I mean I'll stan for anthologies I wish there was more of an audience for those in America. There are some real advantages to an anthology format in what you can provide, sell, get people interested in.

But the right comparison there is more like specifically to Batman or Superman or something than comics as a whole, and they're not an institution in the same way either.

>>91199448
I posted in the thread about this already, but I'm pretty sure this is the result of someone in upper management taking too much money at some point. All the other companies can sell cheaper than them without it cutting into their other sales dramatically. It's a fucking lie that they couldn't as well.

>>91199575
The progressive audience you're aiming for with these books (females mainly and pic) aren't fucking interested in going to a comic shop where neck beard nerds come to circle jerk about their favorite white male protagonist. Maybe Marvel should find a new and better way of delivering these books to the intended audiences? And I'm really serious about the last part.

>>91199782
I'm on board, anon. I think it works.

>>91199423
My problem with MP is I'm much more interested in Violet's crazy mom and the backstory where she got supersoldier'd and all that and the murder artist plot feels real weak to me by comparison.

>>91199156
Hey. All the good will Didio may have gained in desperately keeping this, frankly unpopular, book alive kinda went out the windows with all the other decisions he was making concurrently, which were mostly awful.

And then with the Wally trolling.

>>91199889
The murder artist was kind of abruptly dumped after issue #3. I assume they come back sometime soon. Right now it's about Violet finding another student

Hey thread!

I wish annoying online people would connect Secret Empire and getting rid of all the non cis white dude heroes and do some good. Some of that retailer stuff was enraging. On mobile working so mad I can't fully talk it.

RIP Comics Alliance I can now steal your name for the /co/ zine

Good Legion news at wondercon plz

>>91199423
Is there any info on what the back-up is gonna be about?

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>>91199845
Antho format is such a hard sell right now and I don't really see any way of changing it. And I really don't think there's a good way to sell cape readers on an antho of what honestly reads half like Sunday morning strips.

>>91199870
that's supposedly what digital was going to make up for, but it's slumped on those sales as well

Anon also posted the Ms. Marvel trade sales via Bookscan the other day, and the dropoff from #1 to #2 is brutal

>>91199285
Jesus, DC Angela Lansbury is kinda trashy.

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>>91199930
>the /co/ zine
Isn't that a thing already? Pulp whatever or something?

>>91199354
>>91199421
Shit, you Americans let Gypsies run your tax service?

Russell writing The Wonderful World of Rocks is really testng how Far I'll go for the dude and I love it

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>>91199945
oh Boooones

>>91199930
>I wish annoying online people would connect Secret Empire and getting rid of all the non cis white dude heroes and do some good.
?????

>>91199945
I think you need to have history to do anthologies. You can do it in Europe (including Britain) and Japan but it's always been there in these places. Whenever they try it in America it bombs. There's a definite value vs. content part to it with US prices too.

>>91199609
It's just all the issues of stuff that are relevant to Secret Empire. Basically if you want to know the background but you haven't been following any comics, you get that.

>>91199962

No I wanna do like commentary and news writing and shit. Basically no one likes current comic websites so let's make a better one!

This is placing a lot of faith in anon writing abilities

>>91199945
>Anon also posted the Ms. Marvel trade sales via Bookscan the other day, and the dropoff from #1 to #2 is brutal
Well gee Marvel I dunno, maybe if your fucking trades were cheaper or something you'd sell more. That retarded fuck made the argument that cheaper trade means less audience for monthlies. They have for the most part very different audience.

>>91199959
But what IS the wonderful world of rocks?

>>91199930
Speaking of its surely clear now Russell would write an amazing LoSH.

>>91199423
>How about Mark Russell/Ben Dewey, holy shit
What is that supposed to be about, anyways?

>>91199826
>>91199844
>has been too busy doing taxes, finally making a Mega, working day job, and downloading anime to storytime

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>>91199994
Also, a pre-existing and thus likely cheap backlog of material is an essential resource for doing an antho. I think you're right that it has mostly to do with publishing inertia/tradition. Disney anthos have been running in Europe since the late 50s, they're iconic.

>>91199448
IKE DEMANDS DOUBLE DIPPING!
YOU SHOULD CHARGE THE FULL PRICE OF THE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES, THE GOY WILL PAY, OR THEY WILL PAY.

>>91199991

The story about Nazis taking over at the same time they're getting rid of diverse heroes is some bad optics imo

>>91200012
>This is placing a lot of faith in anon writing abilities
More like anon's commitment. Seriously, we can start a lot of shit but we sure as hell can't finish it.

>>91200036
>and downloading anime to storytime
Names

>>91199870
They should come to my LCS, then. Aside from Friday and Saturday MTG tournaments, there's never more than one or two other customers in there at a time. People just go in, pick up the books they want, and leave.

I fucking love it.

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>>91200048
I love that last panel so much

>>91200052
It's pretty clear now why Spencer's been fulminating about Rebirth so hard, at least.

>>91200059
follow-through is hard enough on shit I get *paid* to write

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>>91200019

Russell on a Booster ongoing is my dream book now

desu I'm kind of hoping that Russell gets an elseworld with an A list hero

People won't be able to bitch about him changing stuff or it being political cause it's an elseworld, it'll probably be good, and more people would know he exists and would definitely buy the Prez trade and then Didio will greenlight the second one hahahaha i wish

>>91200064
By last count, 90's Berserk, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop, FMA:B, Paranoia Agent, and Code Geass, and the entire Ghost in the Shell franchise. That's only what I'm DOWNLOADING, of course, I've got a bunch of anime I already own on Blu-ray.

Still working on getting my buddy through my beginner anime.

>>91199719
>Which Manhunter did Ostrander write?

The Martian one.

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>>91199188
I'm not surprised by it and I don't see things changing because the hate bandwagon has picked up too much speed.

You know how everyone just hated and shat on New 52 for years even after most of the problems were addressed, and it wasn't until the big marketing push with Rebirth that it turned around? I think that's repeating itself now and it'll be a few years before Marvel redeems itself in the eyes of many.

When people want to hate you, no matter what you do they'll twist it into another reason to hate you. I haven't read that thread but I'm guessing it's more full of people laughing at Marvel than actually being excited.

>>91200048
Ages too. If you've more of a kids market running reprints is a lot more tolerable.

I mean even with >>91199630 the Judge Dredd Megazine, which is like a monthly companion to 2000AD + interviews reviews and shit. They've run reprints for at least a decade now but they've moved to this format where you get the reprint as like a mini TPB alongside the book and they do either a whole shorter comic or a long arc of one of the big ones. That's great but for a very particular market and circumstance.

A lot of people buying X superhero tomorrow would likely not be that interested in reading the same character as of 30 years ago and paying for it.

>>91199607
>creepy LCSes
People keep saying this and I find it so hard to believe that it's a legitimate complaint because all the ones I've ever been to are really visible and neat, or they're outright bookstores that also sell comics.

>>91199723
I think he's not wrong, but I think it applies to writers to. The only ones I'd call A-list (meaning that they will cause a sales bump based on name alone) right now are Johns and Snyder.

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>>91200129
the 90s Berserk dub outtakes are amazing because Griffith really, really loves show tunes

manga Serpico best husbando

>>91200081
>It's pretty clear now why Spencer's been fulminating about Rebirth so hard, at least.

So either he was making really roundabout passive-aggressive jabs at Marvel...or he can see the writing on the wall that people are going to blame and come at *him* for something that he genuinely has no fault in in this case.

>>91200052
>Way: I can get my self out of any fight, I think there's been numerous times that I've basically convinced somebody to not hit me and it's always worked.
>Morrison: Then I come from Scotland where basically everything is an invitation to a fight. You just walk out of a store and you see someone "what do you want fucking 'moan then." He (Gerard) came to Glasgow and i was with him and we were walking across the square you hear "Gerard Way's a wanker!"
>Way: (giggling) That's true
>Morrison: I was pretending i was the Russian bodyguard going "Keep away from Mr Way, he's not wanting to talk to you".
>Way : (still giggling)
>Morrison: And these kids were surrounding him "Ah, fuck you, yer fucking useless and yer brothers useless too"
>Way: And they were at the show, the same kids.They were there, yeah I think they were in the front row.
>Morrison: And those were the fans.
>Way: Those were the fans in Glasgow, Scotland.
This made me laugh too much.

>>91200129
>By last count, 90's Berserk, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop, FMA:B, Paranoia Agent, and Code Geass, and the entire Ghost in the Shell franchise.
Nice I brought Funi dbz remastered and original dub for nostalgia sake.

>>91200129
>90's Berserk
lol why, that shit is just a mediocre butchering of the manga
Granted, animation's nicer than the shitty new CG show but that's about it

>>91199745
>Marty Feldman

Shit, does anyone have Sergio Aragones' Marty Feldman anecdote?

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>>91200150
I know, I've never been to a creepy LCS either, every one I've even dipped into has had a girl with a sidecut working there.

>>91200137
It also really does make me think that sales are actually fucking dire for them to be this blunt about it. So someone can say, accurately

>And I feel the need to remind everyone: comic sales overall, when including the GN market, are up 12%. They've been going up for years.

and yet Marvel can say "we've seen our numbers and they suuuuck".

>>91200175
He's frustrated because he really does think DC retrenched in a negative way but it *worked*

>>91199826
Ramsay likes 'em big, I guess.

>>91200173
Oh, I'm making the man sit through the bloopers after, even if I have to physically tie that fat fuck to the couch. "Griffith goes to Broadway" MUST be experienced.

>>91200150
I've got a weird set-up nearby me where I have this musty old shitheap LCS, run by 1 guy and has been for 30 years, crappy opening hours, rarely clean, dude writes his own comic, generally sells single issues and RIGHT NEXT DOOR a much cleaner sparser shop run by a woman in her 20s mainly selling famous TPBs, board games, t-shirts and merchandise.

I have had much better help looking for specific stuff in the first store but I would rather shop at the second store 100% of the time.

>>91200129
>Cowboy
I'd recommend Macross Plus going by your taste anon.

>>91199725
How come Ramsey and Kate aged but these two didn't?

>>91200173
Roderick isn't bad either desu.

>>91200231
>girl with a sidecut
REEEEEEEEEE!

But hey, maybe editors and artists know their audience?

>>91199725
>So I asked a Finn, who said "Well, the translations are excellent and that's much of the appeal, but it's also an entrenched cultural thing that's immensely popular, and it has a lot to do with our culture of literacy."

So basically, Finnish Duck anthologies are the Archie Digests of Europe, but popular enough to not have to operate the company out of a storage unit.

>>91200231
Awww, Kate.

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>>91200258
Gaydos

now THIS is a callback to Bones' past

>>91200129
>Paranoia Agent
Oh dear.
>>91200150
Perception. Comic book fans have a frankly justified reputation for being hateful assholes, so when prospective newcomers see that abhorrent behavior online, they can't help but assume it'll be the same in the store.

>>91200156
Not that guy you replied, but I agree with him except that I wouldn't really blame the lack of Wizard magazine.

It's more comics are expensive and nobody really does long runs anymore and can't really build up a devoted fanbase.
Snyder, Johns, Lee, and maybe Capullo and Bendis are the only ones I can think of that "move the needle". You can tell DC is trying with King and sort of Janin, and Marvel is trying with Spencer and sort of Ewing.

>>91200202
https://thehefner.dreamwidth.org/321888.html

There you go, one of the pages is for ants tho

>>91199991
Okay, is Kate not friends with Obsidian any more at this point, or what? Because Ramsay is clearly just emulating Todd and the rest of Infinity Inc.

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>>91200292
And on the art front, pretty much no one is physically capable of drawing an entire run with as fast as things have to come out and the level of art that's expected on it

>>91200350
>The vengeance of SWEENEY TODD
And believe it or not this is actually how the Tim Burton film came to be.

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>>91200350
fucking battle for the cowl

And that makes Khouri a smart, smart editor by really working the rotating art teams by arc, on GA. As opposed to, sit down and read Hickman F4 top to bottom, and the art occasionally gels as a real part of the book--mainly Dragotta on FF--but not nearly enough.

>>91200283
Man she looks a lot like Alice, Kate Kane's sister

The pure crass capitalism of "our trades are expensive between those people don't spend money on the floppies" is amazing. Love it

>>91200137

We have always been at war with Eurasia

>>91200376
Hey now, it was fun watching Bane and Catman kill kidnappers when Batman was out of commission

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>>91200376
LAST ISSUE

So, I dunno. Blaming it on "people didn't want books with girls!" is kind of bullshit, but not recognizing that they were alienating a lot of readers is also bullshit?

>>91200126
>desu I'm kind of hoping that Russell gets an elseworld with an A list hero

Mark Russell's Wonder Woman would probably be pretty ballsy.

>>91200404
Bane is usually great in team-ups desu. I weirdly enjoyed the Talon thing. I would totally go a Bronze Tiger/Bane thing from current Batman - King's not gonna do that but there's a place you could spin it from.

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>>91200425
Dylan still best boy

god everyone female in this book looks like Jessica JOnes

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>>91200428
I would be very interested in his take on Wondy

>>91200425
It's really a bunch of different factors coming together at once for several months. Alienation of reader base, over-saturation of the market with formulaic titles, too much gambling on new readers getting hooked, and that's even before touching on the economics/distribution side of it.
Trying to narrow it down to just one or even two factors, to me, is a mug's game.

>>91200425
Oh it's THAT old chestnut they decided to break out?

Motherfucker, it's not that the titles were female-led, it's because the books themselves fucking sucked. It's like the so-called curse of the female superhero movie. They were all bad because they were bad movies, not because the leads had vaginas, you stupid sacks of shit. Goddamn.

>>91200081
Bad Chaperone Obsidian is a fun idea.

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>>91200485
fucking waifu academy wants way more shards than I have to buy Hank Pym

>>91200514
seee, it's interesting because there are competing angry arguments: "these books sucked and happened to be female/minority" vs. "these books were actually good and Marvel has failed them"

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>>91200514
Once again, this old post re-appears (from January 2016 this time)

>>91200545
>waifu academy
Is waifu academy not RIP?

>>91200150
The worst I've ever experienced in terms of LCS is cramped and disorganized.
Evan Dorkin style leering angry dorks is something that may be entirely fictional.

>>91200246
He should get the dub of that too, because Bryan Cranston

>>91200106
Is Jen Todd's biological daughter? If so, who's the mother, and how did that happen?

>>91200545
>still playing mobile garbage
You're part of the problem.

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>>91200565
I am guessing adopted?

>>91200545

> "these books sucked and happened to be female/minority" vs. "these books were actually good and Marvel has failed them"

Can I say that I think it's both? A good chunk of those books are godawful but the promotion for both the good and the bad books was kinda not there.

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>>91200577
it kills time :(

>>91200593
Marvel sure didn't promote Foolkiller either

;__;

>>91200258
Mark Shaw clone?
Manhunter anti-aging treatments?
Order of St. Dumas controlled Lazarus pit?

>>91200620
If you're going to play mobile garbage for teh waifus and husbandos at least play something halfway decent, like FE Heroes.

>>91200593
B-but all those variants!

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>>91200644
I never got into FE

>>91200620
They send most books out to either swim or drown, and I got impression that Marvel editorial only half understands at best what the different audiences or fanbases want. Ghost Rider and Zubbolts are an example of that.

>>91200292
>I wouldn't really blame the lack of Wizard magazine.
Comics had superstars before Wizard, and Wizard's been folded for what, like 10 years at this point?


Did this guy used to work for Sheamus or something?

>>91200336
Thanks, dude.

Everyone else, read this! It's good cartooning, like Aragones always is!

>>91200545
>>91200555
>tfw Avengers Alliance died literally right after introducing mai waifu

>>91200425
For a company that has been using DIVERSITY as it's MO lately, there really isn't much diversity in their "diverse" books. The teenage girls are almost adults when it comes to maturity, and the women are womenchildren. Is there a female equivalent for manchild? Point is, some of these grown women leading Marvel's books are less mature than some of the teenagers.

And for another example, let's play a game.
Name a character in Marvel that has appeared in the last three years that can be described as "conservative" who isn't "an antagonist" or "U.S. Agent".

>>91200350
>Sweeney Todd with cyanide skin

That's going to make for some lousy meat pies, I think.

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>>91200712
The business practice does not seem very supportive on the retailer front, although they did listen and bring back the codes

>>91200371
It isn't Kevin Smith's fault? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_umHMPN07O8

>>91200712
It is pretty nuts, right? Why randomly fuse together the Bucky fans with the Thunderbolts one? Why would you assume T-Bolts fans would want a Bucky book? Likewise, I assume because GR is a diverse legacy character they thought, new legacy F4 but no I wanted fucking Ghost Rider in that book. So strange.

They can launch these guaranteed to die waves of books connected to different characters or teams but don't have enough room to separate these ones out?

>>91200721
Which waifu? Maria?

>>91200680
Apparently there's an Easter event going on now, which I'm told isnt gender-locked.
I'm sure you can find a husbando dressed like a rabbit.

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>>91200734
>women are womenchildren
MAC in Ultimates vs. MAC in America is a serious double take.

>>91200764
Do... do you not know who Judge Anon's Marvel waifu is? It's not like he's OP, who has a harem of waifus and Husbandos, he's really only got three, and they're in different companies.

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>>91200350
>And on the art front, pretty much no one is physically capable of drawing an entire run with as fast as things have to come out and the level of art that's expected on it

Not only is everything more detailed nowadays, I think the artists are just slower period.

Nobody whipping people into being able to bang out like a page a day the way Sal Buscema got bullied to.

>>91200790
Judge Anon's inclinations are at the level where you could make a Judge Anon Waifu kit IMO. It would be almost a Bloodpouch parody.

>>91200401
>The pure crass capitalism of "our trades are expensive between those people don't spend money on the floppies" is amazing. Love it

It's such an ugly, naked capitalist statement that I feel it's gotta be a top down message from Ike.

>>91200764
Nah, Phyla-Vell. Who, from what I've seen, was actually really fucking awesome plot-wise.
I just... really miss her.

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>>91200807
Backgrounds are a large part of it, and spreads, and all of that

And everyone except Quitely on PA would love to have twice the time they did on each issue

>>91200821
As far as I know, it's Phyla-Vell, Lady Shiva, and I THINK Judge Anderson? I'm unread in Judge Dredd unfortunately.

>>91200761
Why put a shitty Liefeld knock off on the book when you are trying to pander to Bucky stans? Why market the book heavily to Tbolts fans when its first issue is all but designed to piss them off and then alienate them further by making it all about Bucky?

>>91200734
Maria Hill
Hell are most heroes? What with the reactive, defend status quo thing?

>>91200545
>fucking waifu academy wants way more shards than I have to buy Hank Pym

I have pre-decided that my cut off point is unlocking the Hulk and enjoying the no doubt crappy John Cena soundbites for a couple days.

The game bores me now.
And my Hercules is stuck in Beach Bro gear, instead of either of his comic bookish costumes.

>>91200853
It's (Chief) Judge Hershey.

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>>91200884
that last event was bullshit and I'm sure this one will be too but I find it oddly calming, IDK

>>91200884
>Hercules is stuck in Beach Bro gear, instead of either of his comic bookish costumes.

For Herc that should work as canon. Does he just like not have a sash?

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>>91200592
Maybe he used his shadow powers to make a shadow uterus and he's the mother? (Magic, shit, explaining)

Or more likely, adoption. Jen is pretty Asian looking. Or was in the previous issue at least.

>>91200861
Marvel needs to stop using Maria as a bullshit strawman. Like, what honestly is the point of SHIELD anymore, other than being in the wrong to "prove" the capes right?

Maria needs to start winning and being in the right at least a few times. Cause as it stands, it comes across as sending the message that the non-special people should stand aside and leave their fates in the hands of a bunch of anonymous costumed lunatics.

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>>91201011
I am told that Kot's Seekrit Avengers worked with her and was a good run, but I don't trust Kot, so maaaaybe it was

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>>91201034
oh Kate

>>91201011
At least Nick Fury more often than not could personally go on the ground and ride into a Hydra base on a motorcycle dualweilding pistols with a cigar in his mouth. Maria Hill always comes off as a glorified pencil pusher who bumbled into her job, and I remember constantly reading the character throw off accusations of "You wouldn't care if it was Fury" in a tone that implies it's sexism.

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>>91201128
well, we know he's a grower, right?

>>91201034
>>91201068
Shit, how did the art suddenly get worse?

>>91201094
Yeah, Maria Hill left such a strong negative first impression through her first few years of existence that I struggle to see her as anything but an ineffectual fascist.

>>91201128
>>91201165
This coloring has finally defeated me.

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>>91201217
laziness

Maria Hill was pretty much made to be Bendis' object of plot blunt force and derision

>>91200231
There's one girl who works the register occasionally when I go in and she sorry of puts off this disinterested air like she doesn't really want to be there and she's only doing it to help a relative, but she's been nice enough when I accidentally grabbed more books than I had money on hand for. But shit it's not like I actually know anything about her because chatting her up just because she's female would be pretty weird.

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>>91201235
anon doing all the color holds in America made me lol

>>91201165
>>91201128
This is like early 2000s digital coloring. Gaydos got even lazier. He must have been upset by the lack of repeating panels

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>>91201267
I think there they're trying to be mock-Sauvage.

>>91200283
>now THIS is a callback to Bones' past
Where can I read about it?

>>91201094
And with that in mind, I ask you this: Why doesn't she do that? And the answer is that she was put in charge of SHIELD specifically to be an obstructive authority figure who serves the purpose of being wrong.

If she started doing cool shit and displaying competence, it would make the capes look bad. Fury has lots of fans because he did cool shit, and Maria has plenty of people who agree with the Pleasant Hill idea. So of course it had to blow up two minutes later because she HAS to be wrong all the time because authority figures are bad.

I like Maria because she's an entertainingly smarmy asshole who's willing to call out the heroes on their self-righteous bullshit. But I'd really love if she was allowed to provide some real conflict by doing something that actually matters.

>>91201303
Sauvage is doing the next issue of Shade, the Changing girl (a one-shot about a Winter Dance), so that should be interesting

>>91201319

>Maria has plenty of people who agree with the Pleasant Hill idea.

Kidnapping and forced brainwashing???

>>91201295
He and Bendis really are a match made in heaven.

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>>91201305
Roy Thomas Infinity Inc., pretty late in the run

>>91201398
the biggest fucking waste in Zubbolts has been the zero discussion of the actual implications of PH and Abe going along with it and how/why Erik got caught in it, etc.

>>91201398
Worked for the Justice League with absolutely zero repercussions

>This is the universe with Marvel Citizens

>>91200734
General Maverick, new Red Hulk, strikes me as pretty conservative.

>>91201319
>I like Maria because she's an entertainingly smarmy asshole who's willing to call out the heroes on their self-righteous bullshit.

That's just it, the "entertaining" part is fairly new, mostly because Spencer went nuts with her. Everywhere else, she didn't have that. She was, as you said, "the obstructive authority figure". Like Gyrich, but somehow worse.

>>91201426
I have to say, this coloring is really reminding me of those early Travel Foreman issues of UltimatesSquared

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>>91201464
Maverick being more nuanced than he easily could be, despite the just EWING YOU MADMAN bit of Todd Ziller being the meme guy, is a good thing.

>>91201426
>the biggest fucking waste in Zubbolts has been the zero discussion of the actual implications of PH and Abe going along with it and how/why Erik got caught in it, etc.

The worst thing is that every unanswered question can just be handwaved off with 'Kobik did it" no matter how lazy and unworthy of a No Prize that is.

>>91201513
>how did Fixer escape an infinite time loop?
>lol Kobik did it

>>91201426

Indeed, that goes for some other villains too. Like others who went in bc it was a genuinely better life.

>>91201448

In an incredibly shitty story that everyone hates.

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>>91201513
So person I've engaged with before was all "Why no digging into Zemo's big issues with Bucky??" and I had to say "Well, Zub hasn't gone into ANYONE'S issues, sooo..."

hey, y'all wanna read a few opening pages of later backup tonight if I can find them?

>>91200592
But she's clearly got Jade and Allen's genes in her, no?

>>91201550
Sure.

>>91201398
>can't kill supervillans because that's wrong
>can't put them in prison cause they'll just escape
I don't see anyone else trying to come up with a real solution to the problem.

As far as I'm concerned, Maria was right, and her plan was sabotaged by the writers solely for the sake of yet another event.

And honestly, regardless of opinions, I think we can all agree that wt the very least, Pleasant Hill should've stuck around for a bit to explore the idea. Marvel, you're a bunch of fucking cowards.

>>91201513
At least she's started killing people. I love in hope, don't ruin it.

>>91201484
>Like Gyrich, but somehow worse.

Worse because Hill's got the feminist defense of "you just don't like me for being a woman" and has fucking used it practically verbatim.

>>91200620
How DO you promote a title like Foolkiller, though? What do you try to spin it as? On paper it just sorry if sounds like self-aware meta humor shlock. How do you communicate the heart it's got in an ad?

>>91201584

Bc the real solution is "if we kill them we can't use them in stories"

Totes agree on keeping it around/telling stories about the fall out

>>91201550
Yessim. Let it ride.

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>>91201564
OKAY STREETS OF GOTHAM #1 starts here

we'll run and finish it whenever on, errr, Wednesday, that's my next day off

>>91201641
One thing is that you send a copy to retailers and you pitch it as black comedy, you pitch the author, you say it has to be hand sold but you give an honest overview of what people might like it.

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>>91201674
A lot of niche books have to be hand sold. "Hey, I see you have this on your pull, let me personally recommend this, I think you'd like it."

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>>91201720
A good retailer will actually read things that come in and figure out what has cross-appeal with other books.

>>91200854
What's a stan?

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>>91201752
this is cute, CUTE!

I'm still waiting for more lawyer/politician/bureaucrat heroes instead of Science Girls

>>91201674
>>91201720
Foolkiller seems like an easy pitch to anyone who liked good Deadpool, Superior Foes (and there possibly Thunderbolts) and the rare fan of the Gerber mini for sure. I dunno how big that market is.

You could have pushed it along with the Kingpin stuff, and from there maybe to fans of other Rosenberg stuff like 4 Kids.

>>91201674
>Jeanty

Oh thank god, a guy who actually fucking draws.

>>91201720
Speaking of niche recs, have you had time to watch/play Drakengard 3, Storyteller?

I don't mean to nag, cause I understand that you have way more important bills-paying shit to do, I'm just curious on your thoughts.

>>91201780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMhN-hfMtY

It's more common language off of 4chan desu, one of the ways in which you can betray other browsing habits.

>>91201674
>Georges Jeanty
KATE JUST CAN'T CATCH A BREAK

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>>91201780
usually derogatory term for hardcore fan

>>91201782
It's not huge but it's surely bigger than five issues

>>91201808
I cannot make myself watch people play vidya via youtube and I don't have the machine to play it myself.

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>>91201830
Marvel is also in general cutting books really, really fast these days. Illuminati, Howling Commandos--Mockingbird didn't get more of a shot than they did, or less of one.

>>91201830
Do it Kate. Kill him. Kill him in front of his son, then interrogate the son.

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>>91201852
I remember being surprised at the 5 issue cut on Black Knight (and I think Red Hawk?) but that is looking more and more common.

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>>91201885
If anything, a whole bunch of 'diversity' books got more time than those!

>>91201550
>So person I've engaged with before was all "Why no digging into Zemo's big issues with Bucky??"

There was an entire arc in Brubaker Cap where he hazed the fuck out of Bucky.
Or is he referring to flashback Zemo, who doesn't really exist? Remember, Helmut has no idea what Steve is talking about, but is basically just glad that they can finally be together.

>>91201240
Y-You mean she's not waifu bait? C-Can I stop feeling bad about wanting her?

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>>91201943
They meant in the current book--"Zub has all this stuff to work with, and why is he neglecting the ~emotions~ here"

"I didn't care for what Bru did with post-Born Better Zemo" did not qualify for response

>>91201913
The Wild Storm #3 preview:

http://www.comicosity.com/first-look-the-wild-storm-3/

>>91201949
To be fair, she was modeled after Angelina Jolie, so it may be both.

Yes, I know quake was explicitly modeled after her, but seriously, put the two together, ditch Quake's gauntlets, and they're practically identical.

>>91201913
Leth got a pretty big leash on Hellcat for the standards of today and that book. I was actually wondering about that with Marvel's economics, like how much they paid Leth, how much did they pay Natasha Allegri for her issue on art, etc. What does the cost of these books look like relative to others?

>>91201949
>feeling bad about wanting her
Maria is cute, anon. CUTE!

>>91201987
J E N N Y

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>>91202007
I am genuinely surprised at the length they gave Hellcat. Must be that they thought it could hit the Scholastic market like SG has.

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>>91201987
Honestly not sure if this page or the Voodoo music video one is my fave so far.

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>>91201987
dat Doc Mid-Nite shoutout, wew

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>>91200126
>more people would know he exists and would definitely buy the Prez trade and then Didio will greenlight the second one hahahaha i wish

I think you need Batman for that, sadly

Oh man, finally a detailed article about the Young Animal Panel at Wondercon today:

http://www.comicon.com/2017/03/31/rocking-the-fringe-of-the-dcu-young-animal-at-wondercon-with-gerard-way-jody-houser-cecil-castellucci-jon-rivera/

Sounds like there might be a crossover in the works. That could be a disaster with the delays that those books have.

>Gerard has longer hair than most of the women in the panel

>>91202138
Gerard does not look 40.

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>>91202034
Nice reaction shot, Kate.

Also, I couldn't help but notice that Andreyko is the writer for all of this stuff. Was he the only one interested or what? I mean, it gives her a consistent voice, but it's a little sad that only her creator ever gave a shit about her.

>>91202178

>it's a little sad that only her creator ever gave a shit about her.

Welcome to comics! Some nerd who loved this series might bring her back in about a decade

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>>91202178
She gets a little time in Simone BoP and then shows up near the end of Guggenheim JSA but we don't talk about that one

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>>91201987
I was concerned a bit because the most recently solicit (#5) sounded like it could just be the next issue but obviously things are ramping up to be even more of a clusterfuck.

I dunno that TWS is gonna see out its issues all the same.

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>>91202354
oops

thanks for reading, see you owls on Wednesday

what's out Wednesday?

>>91202398
Daughters Of The Dark Oracle: Orgy of the Vampires #1

>>91202398
Thanks for running, see you then. Now to decide if I'm up for watching a movie or not.

Silly Jane, that's not the cutty part of the knife.

>>91202398
Thanks OP

Wed is Mr. Stroke, Cpt. Atom, Flintstones, Shade, the finale of Providence.

And some Marvel stuff I guess. Nova?

>>91202398
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.

Kate just can't help but get into another round of shenanigans.

>>91202398
Thanks for the storytime!

I'm hype for Rock Candy Mountain, mostly because I just love that song.

>>91202074
I was about to post that, too. Is that fucking Zorak?

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>>91202034

>>91202537
there's a Doraemon on the shelf, right?

>>91202398
Shade #7, More Deathstroke plotting, Flintstones #10, and some Morrison-Nightwing shenanigans

>>91202246
Wonder how much shit I could stir up by tweeting this page at the Poison Ivy League.

>>91202398
N O V A
O
V
A

>>91202611
Missing the two-tone color scheme but it's definitely got his face.

>>91202708
Dr. Villain actually being a villain is my favourite thing ever.

>>91202732
Nothing will top that SS page.

>>91200545
I bought Pym then just gave up on the rest of the event. I'm burnt out and don't really care about the other characters.

>>91202034
As a character Hellcat would be an interesting choice for that kind of gamble given that most normies have only seen a version of her on the Netflix show. Not exactly kid-friendly.

>>91203277
But the Hellcat book has no resemblance to the JJ show in tone or content. That's what I mean, so little matches up. All the books feel skewed.

>>91203406

It's like you can do an all ages Patsy Walker comic like her old school stuff and you can do some tv show tie in about whatever her deal is there but you shouldn't do both at the same time.

Squirrel Girl doesn't have this problem

>>91202398
Thank you

>>91201319
They should really have SHIELD go back to being Not-GI Joe fighting Hydra as not-Cobra.

>>91200283
>Aw, crap! I h-hate bein' possessed!
>Says the talking skeleton man in an expensive suit and gloves

Comics, everybody!

>>91206595
Well, we're getting that Fury action comic.

>>91209603
Bones is a minor spooky husbando NGL.

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>>91211768
Why he isn't in more stuff is beyond me.

>>91199156
Thanks OP!

>>91211785
LEWD!

>>91213436
What's weird is the pants are hanging on the bone.

>>91213474
He has flesh it's just invisible.

>>91199156
Are you going to continue Secret Six any time soon ?

boards.4chan.org/co/thread/91094867

>>91214231
Cool

Thank you OP

>>91214231
That's not OP

>>91214231
I'm that OP. If I am home at a reasonable time, I will run the next few issues at the regular JSA time