DINI Returns to JOKER & HARLEY in HARLEY QUINN #17

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And that's all for the preview.

>>91193683
>Jimmy's still writing and Dini has gone full SJW

No fucking thanks.

Looks good. I recently read Dark Night so I'm definitely in the mood for more Dini.

>>91193859
>Dini has gone full SJW
He's what? When?

>>91193683
>ivy feeling up Selina's ass
I kind of like the idea of Ivy having a small harem of costumed bitches.
>Harley's nightgown
Tasteful nudity, is this cover artwork?

>>91193769
>a whole page without HOOOLEE!
Wow, this actually might be worth picking up...

>>91194441
The cover wasn't Dini's thing

>>91194242
read his Batman OGN he recently put out. Also he supports Ivy/Harley. And likes her new series.

>>91194508
Shiposter pls. His Dark Night GN was about his life and the time he got mugged and beated within an inch of his life and how he went through that and how he got over that. If an autobiography is SJW trash then I don't know what to think

>>91193683
I really want to read Dini's work, TAS and then the Arkham games besides I like his run in Detective Comics so I'll read his story and I'll throw away the rest.

Am I right? 32 pages and 2 stories in the same book? Dini will write his story in 6 parts It seems, I don't know, 60 pages?

>>91194508
>read his Batman OGN he recently put out
It was about him bruh.
>Also he supports Ivy/Harley
He supports anything. He's literally writing Harley LOVES Joker now.
>And likes her new series.
Do you expect him to say it's shit?

>>91194508
Lier, I read it. Dini is not a fucking social warrior and he can't support Harley/Ivy cause he writes her with Joker as her only romantic interest all the time

>>91194615
>Am I right? 32 pages and 2 stories in the same book? Dini will write his story in 6 parts It seems, I don't know, 60 pages?
Yeah, something like that. Meanwhile in the main story Harley will be in a triangle with Red Tool and Ivy, totally skippable if you ask me.

>>91193683
Help me, /co/.

I loathe stronk independent wimmen harley. When I read the previous issues about that guy that seemed to be joker I almost vomited. It was horrible. HORRIBLE.

Should I read this? Will it involve good ol' harley or will it be the nu52. Turd?

I know it's dini and she seems like her old self. But I don't trust it. I don't trust harley anymore. I fear by the end, she'll be getting revenge over the joker and move past him. And I'm not even a shipperfag, but I can't stomach independent harley.

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>>91194742
Bro, he support both, it just that he supports one more than the other than doesn 't mean that he will deny writing one or the other. FFS he wrote this page

>>91194615
huh? He's done more than that. He wrote for both Batman adventure series, Superman Adventures, Gotham Streets, Sirens, Freeze and Quinn one shots, a zatanna series that just this year was fully collected, and additional Zatanna Canary OGN and a series Independent works. He even wrote a number of parodies of his animated work including witchblade Animated with Darwin Cooke and Bullock

>>91194676
there are SJW parts of BOGN, he supports a shitty Lezcuck relationship birthed from tumblr's fetid hole, and yes. Yes I do.

>>91194823
The arc is called "Harley loves Joker" and it's not nuHarley, I want to believe in Dini.

>>91194869
makes me want to fucking vomit

>>91194783
Skippable? I could burn it

>>91194903
I want to. But I'm scared. DCAU & Sirens shows Harley and her development perfectly.

Harley can be healed if kept apart from the joker.
Harley can come to realise Joker is bad for her, while he's away.
But as Sirens and Mad Love shows, even if she resolves to kill him, it all goes away when she meets him. Sirens is the perfect Harley arc. Her moving past that moment is abhorrent.

Anyways, the arc starts on Harley 17 and will last for how many issues?

>>91194897
>there are SJW parts of BOGN, he supports a shitty Lezcuck relationship birthed from tumblr's fetid hole, and yes. Yes I do.

Can you try to write it out WITHOUT so many fucking buzzwords so people can understand you

>>91194915
Everyone's gotta pander to that certain dumblr sjw demographic, it gets you brownie points in this day and age. Sad but true.

>>91194965
>Anyways, the arc starts on Harley 17 and will last for how many issues?
I think it's 6 issues.

>>91194823
>I almost vomited

Me too, I couldn't read the whole thing. It was so stupid. I'll give Dini a chance though

>>91194869
Question.

Why is Ivy a vegan? I have nothing against them, but shouldn't Ivy be against eating plants?

>>91194869
Shouldn't Ivy photosynthesize for food?
She IS green and all

>>91194915
I'm just starting facts here, bro. Saying that Dini only support Joker/Harley will be am outright lies since he has go on record saying that to him Harley & Ivy is the most natural progression of Harley's character

>>91195015
It should be cannibalism. That whole thing was retarded.

>>91195025
Dini has said so many things.

>>91195014
Almost as bad as Harley Road Trip.

Almost.

Harley Road Trip is probably the worst thing I've read, as far as image/writing combos go.

And I have read Akuma no Eros.

>>91194979
This,

I can't even understand half the retards on this board anymore.

>>91195075
I know. Dini is a man of many words

>>91193769
Which one of the three Jokers is Batman:TAS Joker supposed to be?
>Also tfw your normie friends ask you about the three jokers thing they just heard about on reddit and you can't explain shit

>>91195015
If anything she should be a carnivore. Could you imagine her attacking one of those vegan only restaurants?

>>91195048
Is it bad that Ivy would be much more scarey if she was a plant woman who ate men? Do you think DC would allow me to write a horror mystery about Poison Ivy if I pitched it to them?

Anyone who does not support Harly/Ivy has shit taste and shouldn't be allowed to live.

>>91195142
Calling all drawfriends, we need a drawfriend here!!
>>91195155
Your dubs confirm that you have shit taste and should not be allowed to live. You know what to do.

>>91195131
Well, DCAU and DC Comics are different universes, so none.

However, he's clearly closer to TKJ Joker, (aka the only good Joker), so the 2nd one.

>>91195155
Yuri is an abomination and should be purged.

The only, only, ONLY instance where yuri is allowed is non-consensual, brutal bdsm yuri.

>>91194508
Isn't he the one who invented Harley/Ivy?

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>>91195155
Dubs confirms that Harlivy is the greatest ship

>>91194897
>he's done more than that.

I know but since I'm a batman fan mostly, I read everything he has written about Harley and Batman, my favorite thing because of nostalgia : Adventures but careful there, there was a guy who wrote the majority of Adventures, he imitated Dini's style, It was amazing cause you couldn't differentiate between one and another.

>>91195277
Literally babby's first tumblr ship.

>>91194869
That shitty special for the victims of you know what!! DISHONOR, DISHONOR!!!

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>>91195303
Yeah, so..?. That doesn't mean it's bad, just that it's more recognizable/popular

>>91195277
>yuri
>best anything
yuri is just an invention of ugly women who can't get a guy

>>91195303
I don't go to tumblr so I don't know their likes or dislikes.

I like the ship because it is amazing. I don't care if some shitty website also likes it

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>>91195421
It's popular in certain circles because tumblr is sjw headquarters and men are always evil and disgusting, not just the Joker.

Things returned to status quo when Suicide Squad came out though, making the Joker a hot guy helped.

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>>91195432
Can't fight the dubs, bruh

>>91195432
Blessing to those ugly women for giving us artful depictions of hot women engages in sensual embraces.

>>91195520
>Returned to status quo

Didn't know Rick Flag/Harley was the status quo

>>91195155
No, that ship is shit, social warriors are shit. But if you come back to tumblr you can discuss it with your shitty friends.

>>91195277
>>91195155
Dubs know the truth. Harley and Ivy is a gift from the gods.

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>>91195155
>>91195277
>>91195533
Checked em

And I fucking hate you

>>91194993
I get it. But I just wonder when the pandering stops and we return to the good stuff.

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>>91195564
I meant shipping wise. There are more Harley/Joker shippers around than before and a ton of porn.

>>91194869
That page was a special, non canon, It wasn't his OGN. DC wanted money from affected public, there were many victims, people died...etc.

>>91195630
>More shippers

I can agree with that

>More porn

Last time I check Ivy still beats Joker in the Harley Quinn tag in Paheal, so I don't know where you got the statistics from

>>91195630
Nice, this is good stuff right here, the quality of the art leaves something to be desires, but the scene presented is 10/10

>>91195564
He meant the movie SS.

>>91195015
It doesn't make any sense. Nor does Harley/Ivy. How the fuck do people think this is somehow more functional? Ivy belittles, berates Harley like henchman. She's abusive in a less demonstrable way.

Somehow they've taken that dynamic and tried to make it something else. Its no less fucked up unless you just focus on the Nu52 shit. And that's just boring. What do these two see in each other?

>>91195089
Has anyone realized that in the span of a year they made every DAMN supervillainess in the Batman books bi? Anyone?

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>>91195153
>ate men
>maneater

It fucking writes itself! Get on this shit, DC!

>>91195682
That artist made a Heathers (the musical) parody with Harley and the Joker. Drawn by her and with the songs and all.

>>91195719
Must be something in the water

Dini is a shit, limited and unimaginative writer whos well past his prime.

See: Arkham games.

He's 100% basic.

>>91194979
that wasn't his OGN, It was a special DC orchestrated for victims of a terrorist attack

>>91195255
In a comedy episode where joker is a cuckold. It worked because Joker shows up, takes Harley, bitch slaps Ivy around, and the only reason he doesn't kill her is Batman shows up and stops him.

Later they team up when Joker is locked away, Ivy treats Harley like shit just like Joker. She's just more subtle about it.

>>91195679
>Harley Quinn tag in Paheal
I doubt people put all the good stuff there. Lesbian is more fetish-y.

http://i.imgur.com/VUiw5S4.jpg

>>91195696
Thought that will be scrapped in time for the Gotham City Sirens film. Maybe even in the Batgirl film if that comes out first.

Have a girl power moment with Barbara and Harley decking Joker.

>>91195493
>I is not tumblrz, believe me!

>>91195789
Too popular among the normalfags crowd to drop it. Besides, SS Joker loves Harley so there's zero reason for her to ditch him and go the stronk womyn route.

>>91195784
Well that's the only place where people put most R34 stuff I wish I knew somewhere better

>>91195698
Nobody cares, they just want lesbians cause in that way they can pretend sociaty doesn't consider them garbage, cause every normal woman think they're disgusting and the gay population is outnumber

>>91195698
Ivy saw a weak submissive girlfriend of an abuse psychopath and tried to fix her. She never let anyone get that close to her before and she talks coldly to Harley because she doesn't talk to people unless they are under her control (she isn't good at it anymore). It is obvious that she cares and sees more to her than Harley sees in herself. It started off as pity and developed into love and they have hot lesbian sex all the time
Look I have written many fan fictions and they are pretty popular on Tumblr ...so I am kinda an authority on this issue.

>>91195836
You can't have strong independent leading woman hanging off her man for the entire film.

It'll be a media bloodbath.

It'll be done away with soon enough. Bombshells was way too popular with that pairing.

>>91195884
Also this. Better way to Normalize it that just with Shades of Blue type Hollywood approved porn.

>>91195580
Go back to tumblr idiot.

>>91195015
Shut-up Beast Boy.

>>91195719
That's not it either.

Female villains are no longer villains who are acknowledged as being bad and dealt with. They're antiheroes or "villains" who's villainy isn't really their fault and their misdeeds are forgiven and/or ignored.

Harley? It's the joker's fault, also she's still a horrible scumbag, but she gets off free.

Catwoman? Full antihero.

Mass murderer Holly Robinson? Well, yeah, but she killed the bad guys who murdered the fellow orphans from her orphanage.

Ivy? A rough anti hero who deals with people who damage the environment.

Killer Frost? She became frost due to an accident her fellow scientists orchestrated to get her out of the way. And she kills to survive. Oh, also an antihero who works for batman know.

Cheetah? Not her fault, she's cursed by a chauvinist god. No, really, a chauvinist god. Did I mention he gets sealed simply by having women -simple, normal women- hold hands around him and is actually afraid of women?

What about the other ww female villain who's the main villain of the current arc? Joking, she does what she does to get back her daughter's soul who, two MALE gods took and blackmailed.

Seriously, there's a fucking plague of moronic writers who can't handle having a genuine scumbag woman character that needs, like most comic villains, to be beaten up by the hero and locked away for being an evil bitch.

Seriously, the only female character who avoided this treatment is Granny Goodness and I seriously think that's just because she's ugly.

We need to re-introduce the concept of
>some times beating up a hot woman is a good thing to do

And no, not only if the one doing the beating is a woman.

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>>91195964
Why are you still fighting the dubs, bro?

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>>91195879
I don't put all the stuff I have in there. And there's a lot.

>>91195973
Is a good question. Ivy should be total Carnivore.

>>91195964
What is your obsession with that fucking website. How do you know what they like and don't like?

>>91195943
she doesn't have to hang off her man
She can love the joker, be a couple with the joker and still have some time with female friends on the side, sheesh.

>>91195984
Great post, especially this.

>Female villains are no longer villains who are acknowledged as being bad and dealt with. They're antiheroes or "villains" who's villainy isn't really their fault and their misdeeds are forgiven and/or ignored.

It's such a shitty trend.

>>91195998
Because the abusive fetish is just as bad as the lesbian one.

>>91196046
>just as bad
Eh. Eh. Not AS bad.

>>91196063
Yeah, a lot more bad

>>91196073
Nah.

>>91196063
No JUST as bad if not WORSE. That shit has been around way longer.

The kink of a woman wanting to be abused is fucking ancient.

>>91196106
It being around longer doesn't make it worse.

Yuri isn't shit because it's old, yuri is shit because it's shit.

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>>91196091
Yah. Sex should be about love not pain, which is why Harlivy is superior

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>>91195588
Thanks man, your dubs cancelled out their dubs.

>>91196173
It's not the sex part that's yuck about Harley/Ivy, it's the romance.

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>>91196194
>marks celebrating my double dubs
Feels Good Man

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>>91196220
>Harlivy romance is bad

HahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahahBababBabababaabababahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaah

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>>91196220
I personally don't like vanilla sex. Also I don't even see the romance since Ivy is a literal cuck.

Kinda unrelated but I just noticed that this Joker does have the dragon tattoo.

>>91196260
Not him but it's boring as shit.

>>91195520
Joker has always been hot.

>>91196322
Yeah, it is if you aren't interested in them.

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>>91196344
Yeah but now he's mainstream hot.

>>91196377
It's objectively boring. The fact that they have to add the fact that Harley is polyamorous and more interested in men to "spice it up" speaks for itself.

>>91196426
Nah, the poly Harley came out from Palmiotti bullshit because he wanted to use Harley as his self-insert. Harlivy romance was perfectly fine before him (See Sirens, Injustice Ground Zero, Bombshells, etc)

>>91196499
>GCS
She chose the Joker and mocked Ivy though.
>Bombshells and Injustice
Non canon.

Like it or not, Palmiotti's shit is canon.

>>91196545
Palmiotti shit isn't canon. In the JL vs SS crossover was confirmed that

>>91196615
But Harley loves Rick Flag in canon then.

>>91196662
That's is canon and I hate it as much as you hate Harlivy

>>91196730
Harley/Flag makes no sense.

I haven't been keeping up, but how did that happen?

>>91197429
Beats me, I haven't read the Squad book

>>91197480
I think that the writers of each book put their favorite pairings in them regardless of canon, continuity or logic.

>>91195943
>strong and independent leading

Strong and independent needs to be gay for SJW standars. I want to vomit, "strong and independent" is not what they're looking for, they want lesbian porn, that's all.

Lesbian shit isn't going to be normal, It's never going to happen cause all that shit about "Love is love" is a lie. People is polite when they say It doesn't matter if a woman is lesbian, but deep inside everybody knows that's bullshit.

>>91197639
I think so too, today's books seems more fanfics-y than before in my opinion

>>91194508
>he supports Ivy/Harley
Good. Fuck Joker/Harley.

>>91195789
Your dreams maybe, Joker is DC favorite, readers favorite, viewers favorite, writers favorite. Harley was created to be his girlfriend and general aundiences love it. GAs are not gay, DC can get you queerbaiting every now and then but real story won't be gay.

>>91195719
money, money, queerbaiting.

>>91197792
>Harley was created to be his girlfriend
Harley was created to be a hench. She was given backstory later that made her his girlfriend, and in the same breath made that relationship abusive.

>>91195255
He invented a frienship between them "She's my sister" that was the spirit in the comic "Batman adventures" where Dini's episodes were. The ship appeared a while after, as comedy around 2005 but that special they showed is the only single time Dini has written Harl and Ivy as romantic.

>>91193683
I'm just hyped that for the first time in years someone will be writing the Joker and not trying to make him THE MOST EDGY EVIL SADISTIC person to have ever lived. It's like it's become a fucking competition to see who can make him the edgiest.

>>91196009
that's your gay headquarter and you know SJW is their trademark so go gack there.

>>91196173
hahahahaha harleyIvy is shit.

>>91196499

Their romance didn't exist before, there was fanservice but not romance and Dini didn't create Harley as gay, his favorite character is Joker and Joker is her real canon ship, that's the fact, nobody can change that.

>>91196545
Palmiotti shit isn't canon for several reasons, they can make up excuses but we have many example, for one this powergirl shouldn't be around, comic freaks know why so I won't explain.

>>91198488
Dini's favorite character is Zatanna, dude, so there's so much wrong with your post. Hell even Mark Hamill revealed in a Fatman on Batman podcast that the VA direction told him to act like The Joker was cuckolded during the Harley & Ivy episode

>>91197770
are you blind? he has written Harley/Joker everywhere, his ultimate story was Arkahm City and his canon ending was Harley and Joker's baby cause "If you have his smile, mommy will be proud"

>>91196499
One of those three titles is not like the others, care to guess which one it is?

>>91198592
It is known that Dini likes to appease the sjw crowd, the worst part is that they don't get they're being played.

Hell, he would've written a Harley/Ivy sidestory if he was SO invested and into the LGBTQAWTF cause.

>>91198592
Dude don't take Dini's word at anything, he also got on record saying that if he ever got the chance to write Harley's send off story it'll be Harley & Ivy living a quiet life, and also have said that the more he wrote Harley & Ivy the more he saw that relationship as the more natural relationship for Harley. Paul Dini play both sides

>>91197857
and then Dini passed his life trying to repair their relationship each time he had the opportunity to write them: Arkham city, Arkham asylum, Arkham city the prequel by Dini, Sirens, Batman: Harley quinn (2000), Adventures Comic, etc

>>91198566
there's so much wrong with you. If you read the oldest interviews, they even made popular that quote "Joker loves her, so much as he can, he's learning to love through Harley"

But where are the comments about Harley/Ivy relationship in those old times. They don't exist because it wasn't romantic, It was friendship but crazy feminazis can't understand that concept.

>>91198787
>>91199159
When will you two realize that Dini plays BOTH sides, he said in that past that he prefer Joker/Harley, he says now that he prefers Harlivy. It doesn't matter.

>>91198682
both sides? maybe but while he has said both things he has written hundreds of pages of HarleyJoker but just few hits and short lines for IvyHarley. Not even an episode but let's guess he writes an episode, that against his ultimate work and all that mountain of JokerHarley

>>91195142
Eating meat causes more plants to be killed than eating plants.

>>91199247
Dude, stop. Dini is a good writer because he doesn't prefer one, he wrote both good. In one instance he could write a good Joker/Harley story and in the same breath write a good Harlivy story. Saying that Dini prefer one over the other it's moot since he doesn't have a preference and that's what makes him great

>>91199236
perhaps you want to believe, that's the case is that facts speak and they speak aloud, I don't know where you get those declarations, I would like the link but It doesn't matter, he has written JokerHarley so many times, repairing it whenever possible (Joker usually is busy in the mainstream). For example: Sirens, Dini wrote just 8 episodes, there Joker was a jealous guy who kills any man trying to go somewhere with Harley. He killed a man who whistled her in prison. Then we got a line for Ivy "Joker loves her"

There's a HarleyIvy scene after, at the end of the comic but Dini didn't write it.

>>91199426

For the the links about the declaratoon here there are:

>Paul Dini: When Bruce and I did the Harley and Ivy miniseries, it was certainly implied that [Ivy and Harley] had a relationship with each other—they shared hugs and kisses. I didn’t want that to overpower what the story was, but the relationship between them is so natural.

>Paul Dini: The more I worked with [Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy], the more I could see [a romantic relationship] happening. Unfortunately, at the time, in an animated kids cartoon, you really couldn’t get into the complexity of that or honor what a relationship like that could really be. We just showed them together as friends and on fairly intimate terms when they were out of the costume, but nothing was implicit because if we couldn’t do that relationship properly then we didn’t want to do it at all.

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2016/08/harley-quinn-oral-history

>Dini: I still write the characters occasionally for animation, and the nature of the beast is that their relationship is much more like it was in the “Harley and Ivy” episode. In animation, you can’t really go to the place [where they are in the comics]. But I’m all for it. I think their relationship in the comics is progressive, and the sort of thing that needs to be in comics. It’s fun to show that even the bad girls can be nice to each other, and there can be love and affection between them. Nowadays, I see them as very much equals. Harley has progressed in her personal development, and I don’t think that she’s as needy or as lost as when she first linked up with Poison Ivy. It’s actually a much stronger relationship between them now, because it involves personal choice.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/harley-quinn-poison-ivy-batman-animated-series-155135937.html

>>91199738
Not him but honestly, he can say whatever to appease the sjw crowd but his Joker/Harley stuff outnumbers the rest.