Now that the dust has settled, whats the final verdict on Moana?

>>91149334
It was better than Frozen. It gets a pass.

You're Welcome > Shiny

Characters were all great, setting was investing, animation was gorgeous, songs were mostly nothing special with a couple high marks, plot was fun but pretty scattershot. They didn't really have much of a cohesive story to tie it all together. Felt more like they took all the plots for a TV Show Season and strung it into one movie.

>>91149474
How Far I'll Go (and all the reprises throughout the movie) >>> everything else.

She's a solid 10

>>91149334

needs more porn.

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>>91149334
It's a great movie. Good songs, good characters, and it's arguably the best looking CG animated movie ever made. Also Moana's hot as fuck

>>91149548
>>91149548
>>91149548
this

The character Moana is fucking annoying.
She's an self-centered, egoist and entitled brat that demands everyone changes their way of life just because she feels like it.
I swear to God, listening to her "mantra" where she repeats her name all the time was a fucking nightmare.

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Paint by numbers Disney movie with nothing special to set it apart.

>>91149474
Them's fightin' words, boy.

>>91151649
Yes, that's called a character flaw, anon

It didn't win the Oscar so it must be good.

>>91152127
That's her whole personality

It was good. And all these:

>>91149552
>>91149572
>>91149597

>>91149448

As someone who loved Moana, I hate how people seem to think they aren't allowed to like Frozen due to its popularity. If this were the 90s, you people would be saying "at least it's better than The Lion King" about Pocahontas and Hercules.

>>91152183
>That's her whole personality
>Literally shows this isn't true when the Ocean chooses her
Also, her being self centered at first when she's older is kind of the point. "How Far I'll Go" illustrates this perfectly as she chooses to venture out to sea for her own cause instead of actually to fulfill the prophecy. And what happens? The Ocean spirit btfos her immediately. Only during 'I am Moana' and after Maui abandons her, does she realize she's been wrong the whole time.

Phenomenal visuals in regards to water and lava and hair and other effects like that. Great music. Plot itself was fine, The Dwayne did a good job as Maui.

>>91152438
Are you talking shit about Hercules? Lion King is great, but I wouldn't put it above Hercules, Aladdin, or Mulan.

>>91149552

I Am Moana was the best version.

>>91152575

I'm just saying that if the Lion King came out in the 2010s it would make a bajillion dollars and everyone would hate it for having "meme songs."

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>>91152699
>>91149552
I Am Moana was pure Disneykino

>When your autistic daughter won't stay where she is and keeps walking into the ocean

>>91151649
kill yourself.

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>>91153652
>When she won't just consider the fucking coconut like I told her to

>>91152438
>people only hate Frozen because it's popular

I hate Frozen because it's a fucking bad movie with terrible songs and unlikeable characters

>>91151649
>demands everyone changes their way of life just because she feels like it
she had accepted that the sea was dangerous and her responsibility as the chief's daughter by the time she embarked though, she did it because her grandma asked her to

>>91155082
>Fixer Upper
>Snowman song

What the FUCK were they thinking?

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>>91149334

Good movie

Frozen is still better though i mean the porn only

>>91149334
Bland, and Plasse.

Neo Pocahontas

>>91156237
>>91156237
>>Snowman song
excuse you, anon! that song is a gem.

>>91151649
>demands everyone changes their lives

Their island is dying. It's her job as future chief to help her people, which is searching for a new place to live.

>>91156263
Post a link faggot, what the fuck are you doing

>>91156263
>All digital character depicting in this fiction story or over the legal age of 18 years old
Do Americucks really have to do that with a fucking cartoon?

>>91158761
Legally, no.

Tamatoa is the best character in this movie

>>91149334

I refused to watch it because the princess isnt white.

Identity politics goes both way.

Trolls had better songs

>>91149334
>Best song
You're welcome
>Best Character
Maui
>Worst song
Shiny
>Worst Character(s)
The obvious-toy-insert trolls
>What I liked the most
Unlike most Disney's Princesses movies, Moana has no love interest

>>91159105
>Trolls, sorry those were from Frozen, the other coconut toy-inserts, gotta admit, they weren't too bad, unlike their frozen counterparts

Best 3D Disney movie by far. This was the first one that really felt like it could've been part of their 2D canon.

The music is great, not blatant oscar bait like Frozen but just genuinely catchy and varied. Alan Menken would be proud.

The visuals are some of the best I've ever seen, especially You're Welcome, all of the monster world and the main villain looked cool too.

The characters, while not up to par with Zootopia are still entertaining. Moana's purpose and struggle outshine her personality, but Maui is fun and nobody can forget that bizarre crab. In fact Maui is basically god, seeing him casually talk about how he created everything good in life for the sake of humanity is seriously one of the best things I've ever seen. Hercules just beat up a bunch of monsters, you call that a hero of man? The rest feel like extras and that's the point, I think.

Though most importantly of all, it's a love letter to humanity as a whole. Polynesian history is largely forgotten which makes no sense, the fuckers were locating tiny little islands in the pacific ocean before civilization had even sprung up in Europe.

My favorite scene in the movie is when Moana finds the boats, showing that even in this ancient setting, the people that first sailed to the island are so ancient that those in her village don't remember it. it also makes for a great twist - The "rebellious" "princess" is the only one actually trying to uphold tradition, while everyone else is doing their own thing.

>>91153652
>>91155027
So who had it worse, Tui or Stoick?

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>>91149334

Looked pretty, had pretty decent songs but I found the last part very boring and predictable. Had the same story of: this is your path, no wait stop what are you doing?! Would be nice to see this with a main male character with a female side character that isn't just a walking sex/love symbol.

>>91155403
And she immediately returned home when everything was fixed. I just cannot believe people actually saw this movie and missed literally every sign of this.

I haven't seen it yet, but the animation looks really good. It seems more expressive and fluid than some of Disney's previous CG films which I feel is step in the right direction.

>>91155027
>When you look around and there she isn't.

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>Be ocean
>Do nothing for 4,7 billion years
>Finally some apes learn how to sail across you
>Fuck yeah
>They immediately stop
>Fuck no
>Entice them to come back
>The only one who listens is some old crackpot
>Their island is literally about to die yet they don't give a shit
>Hey kid you wanna see the ocean

>>91159229

That's actually kinda a good point... why didn't the ocean just bring the stone/heart back to whatever the gods name was?

>>91159278
It doesn't give a shit about their island, not really its jurisdiction. It just wants Moana's people to get sailing again.

>>91159301

Except if it actually took the stone back, boom no more monster, Maui gets his weapon back and Moana can be encouraged to start sailing.

>>91159313
Not really, she learns to sail over the course of the journey. If she can't save everyone by navigating somewhere important and back, there no point. That's why the ocean accepts her resignation as "the chosen one" near the end and goes off to pick someone else.

Also the ocean can't talk and stop tafiti's rage, in fact tafiti seems to die whenever teh ocean gets close.

>>91159338

She essentially learns it from Maui though, sailing isn't super duper hard, a skilled talent sure but hell people need to restart somewhere. Also wasn't that her father was the person that hid the boats? So we've got what, a generation in between actually sailors? Worse case her grandmother saw, didn't teach her dad and thus didn't teach Moana?

Also pretty sure if the ocean just spat it up at Tafiti's feet and splashed her in the side to get her attention, she'd get what was going down.

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>>91149334
Better than this shit

>>91159355
There were tons of chief rocks stacked on top of each other on that mountain, with moss growing even on the higher ones. The boats have been there for a very long time.

>Also pretty sure if the ocean just spat it up at Tafiti's feet and splashed her in the side to get her attention, she'd get what was going down

No no no, bitch's crazy

>>91159370
i don't remember much of brave. what's bad about it?

>>91159391

The intire plot relays on Merida being a brat, even by disney standards.

> how about I doom my people to war because I don't like responsability and dresses, huh?
> also fuck you, mom.

>>91159391

Just look at her fucking faaaaace

>>91159372

Doesn't he say something like "I should have burned them?" and yeah stones can be stacked like that and moss can grow like that over a decent 40 years. We aren't talking a decade, multiple ones at the very least.

>bitch be crazy

Uh huh until the moment Moana goes "oh i know who you are!" the spirit was driven to madness over I dunno lack of her heart? But the instant she sees it in someone that wants to return it she immediately accepts it.

>>91159391
Anti-male to the Nth degree. Every man in the movie is a violent retard while all the women are super-smart and compassionate. This usually doesn't bother me but it was so blatant that it felt like watching a propaganda piece.

jfc people, the point of Maui returning the heart was that both Maui and human learned a lesson. If the ocean returned it, Maui could easily do something stupid again (assuming Te Fiti wasn't angry at Maui, considering that the journey was for him to also apologize).

>>91159492

Then find Maui on the island and write cranky things in the sand until he gets the message, when he returns it he'd still get the same cranky 'You shouldn't have done that' face.

>>91151263
>Dat sand

Regardless of narrative quality, Disney movies to come are going to look fucking amazing

>>91159463

Disney movies are part of an agenda, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3pF9owYlRI
They're not even trying to hide it anymore.

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Anyone else kind of stunned this actually made it into the movie?

>>91159463

Please explain to me how Merida's father was a violent retard.

>>91160079
I'm only stunned by how sexy this shiny crab is.

>>91160111

Jemaine's voice can make even gas cloud sexy, so no surprises there.

>>91149334
i want to fuck that island slut

>>91159991
15 minutes in -- co-head of story is A CUTE! a cute!!

>>91160344

Watch it to the end

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>>91160166
Muh

>>91158761
The people who make those comic are definitely not American lol

Moana is prettiest Princess, also weirdly buff.

Still haven't watched it. As ive swore off ever watching disney movies again.

>>91155082
dont say that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItVdX9ntUug

>>91158944
This. Crab is best

>/pol/:"so what i believe you're trying to say is thank you"
>/co/:"thank you?"
>/pol/:"You're welcome"
>/co/:"what no..no"
>/pol/:"I see what's happening here
You're face to face with greatness, and it's strange
You don't even know how you feel
It's adorable!
Well, it's nice to see that /co/mblr never change"

>>91160539
:( you could tell there were some real life experience behind her "you know, this world..." line. sad cuties are the heartbreakingest.

>>91160714
Kek, this can be used with /tv/ too

>>91160618
It's not their fault you suck, Bluth

The issue clearly is that it suffer from a shit ton of rewriting. Lots of elements seem to come but quickly forgotten. Like that giant ship with the pirates that seem to come out of no where and left just as quickly. The Crab part has some redeaming qualities but overall went on way too long and didn't seem to matter all that much. I mean I really did enjoy it overall but if you try to actually think it through from start to finish you can tell something happened when making it.

Which is weird since Zootopia had a massive rewrite and somehow was able to have great pacing (if a bit rushed at the end) and a plot that never felt like stuff randomly happened for no reason.

>>91149334
It was fun, I really enjoyed it.

I liked Moana as a character...but Rock as Maui really stole the show.

I felt they could have had 10 more minutes of adventuring and whatnot during their voyage.

>>91161133
>Crab part went on for way too long
Bruh

>>91161133

IMO Zootopia tired them off, Moana could have one more final rewrite, but I guess they were sick of it, so they said "that's it, I'm done",and In of the interviews(you can find it on vimeo) directors said they had to hurry, so they reused assets from previous movies for the monsters in the realm of monsters.(flash and snowball).

>>91155027
But Moana Papa, she fought a whole army of them while sailing the high seas.

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>>91155082

>>91161568
Maybe. Don't know why they felt the need to put out two movies in the same year. Sad they had to rush it get it done. Don't know if a single rewrite could save it but it might have helped. Had great world building with it's myth but sadly I feel they tried to do too many things and you left is a bit of "what just happened?"

>>91159278
Only Moana could calm the rage of Teka.

Remember that the water itself had become Teka's enemy and bane to its existence.

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>Be 5-legged crab
>Beat the living hell out of a demigod

How long's it been since we had a Disney villain who can kick some ass?

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I think I know what happened to the monsters on the bottom of the ocean.

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>>91149334
It ain't finished yet here.
So far so good at the Japanese box-office.
Not the Frozen-tier, but it is expected to outsell Zootopia.
Eric Goldberg will be on TV tomorrow.

http://cache1.cloudflares.xyz:81/download/a0af05742f3941a2bc69f960c639252f/58dd12a2/user78103/1002857e5bbd8_mobile.mp4

>>91149334
Marketed fucking horrible. Compare the trailers of Moana to Frozen and it becomes glaringly obvious.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLzfXQSPBOg

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKFuXETZUsI

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>>91162295

>>91149552
>>91149474
I personally liked Where You Are the most and I feel like I'm alone in that opinion.

>>91162449
Oh right, Polynesia = Japan. Do they have the Kon-Tiki over there?

>>91162471
Grandma is too much of a buzzkill, otherwise it's good.

>>91162342
>not posting the superior version
https://youtu.be/TbQm5doF_Uc

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Just watched it for the first time last night, and I've been listening to the soundtrack all morning.

It's a competent Disney movie. Characters are good, songs are good, and the story is very straightforward. The Polynesian characters/themes were interesting and refreshing to see, and they never seemed hamfisted.

There's definitely the impression that this was trying to cash in on Frozen's popularity. Moana is a young woman who is struggling to discover herself and fit in with society, and her character arc is about maturity, responsibility, and staying true to who she is. It's so reminiscent of Frozen that it got a little distracting. Thankfully, the movie manages to stand on its own thanks to Moana being interesting and distinct enough.

There are a few lulls in the story, and the Shiny song seemed a little out of place but not unwelcome.

>>91162342
seeing the trailers back to back like that really hammers home how friggen gorgeous a film moana is.

>>91162472
No, Japs didn't have the balls to take a voyage to the Americas across the pacific ocean.
And we've got this fucked-up face as a result of many centuries of incest.

>>91162675
Moana wasn't even in the first draft of the movie. They added her and her village after the staff went over to the pacific and got inspired by their way of life.

>>91161782

zootopia was already postponed, i am guessing it would cost disney serious $$$ if they did it again.Contracts with cinemas and whatnot.

>>91162183
>5 legged crab

He's a decapod, so 10 legs not including the one Maui ripped off

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>Sixteen

>>91163764
>He's a decapod, so 10 legs
But that's wrong you fucking retard.

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>>91156263

>>91152438
Pocahontas was mediocre as shit though.

>>91163828

Legal in Hawaii, right?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UpGDU9kFho

I love this song.

I didn't enjoy it but five to ten year olds would.

>>91162471
I'm with you anon. Got me grooving in my seat

Plus I'm directionless as shit too so it connected with me.

>>91162851
Was the movie initially supposed to be about Maui then?

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Don't mind me, just being the best song

>>91163828
Cute, CUTE!

>>91159410

Man, you mean there's a price to pay for a live of luxury and power? That's so sexist!

>>91161133

The OST makes it clear there were heavy rewrites. Most of them seem to have been designed to make the male characters less prominent.

>Maui was worshipped, not forgotten
>father originally gave the advice her grandmother gave
>Father was more supportive, Moana was more selfish in wanting off the island
>Maui taught Moana to be more hero-like instead of just sailing
>Him being responsible for killing the world was (probably) a big reveal/secret

I think most of the changes were for the worse, the big problems with the films were too long on the island rather than dealing with the mythology around Maui, How far I go making up half the songs and Moana inexplicably being more agile than a demi god,

>>91164847
according to the directors' commentary, yeah, the initial pitch was about maui. he was also supposed to be bald.

another fun tidbit: the fighting coconuts setpiece was an homage to fury road.

>>91149334
Literally the only things I've ever seen about this movie other than here on /co/ were on some cereal boxes at work. There was no dust to settle.

>>91156263
>artfag takes name of guy famous for fucking his sister
>draws porn

BatemanImNotSureWhatIExpected.gif

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>>91165717
>another fun tidbit: the fighting coconuts setpiece was an homage to fury road

The fact that they were playing music definitely reminded me of the rock truck from FR

>>91165717
Yeah one of the rifts during the encounter was straight out of Mad Max

>>91165515
>Maui was worshipped, not forgotten

I liked this part. Usually the twist is that a good guy was the villain, here the villain was a good guy.

It's also sort of poignant that someone who did so much good is only remembered for his final act, which went wrong.

>>91159023
You tried

>>91164937

They're kinda fucked if their voyages go on for more than a day or so with that many people on the boat...

ive been standing

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>>91159420
What do you mean? Merida a cute.

>>91168202
if they placed her facial features just a touch lower on her head, she'd be a top-o-the-line qtp2t

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>>91149334
She needs to be Dutched.

>>91162471
I was mad that it didn't get a proper video on the disneyvevo youtube channel.

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Who hyped for Gigantic?

Fully expecting it to be completely re-written from what we know.

>>91159463
>Anti-male to the Nth degree. Every man in the movie is a violent retard while all the women are super-smart and compassionate. This usually doesn't bother me but it was so blatant that it felt like watching a propaganda piece.

All Western Media is propaganda shit. Disney's shit? Entirely Gynocentric.

>>91159463

It's been the case since the end of the Disney Renaissance that the male characters in films are either anti-social, egotistical or criminals/con artists.

Meanwhile female leads are generally perfect only having not-really-negative traits like being headstrong, scared or naive.

>>91149334
in my opnion its just bland, beatiful but so forgetable

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>>91168916
or racist.

let's face it, disny is for girls. Why did Frozen took off despite being a mediocre movie?

caus eit had two princess, and one of then sung how cool is to have superpowers!

>>91168788
Just more Gynocentric propaganda by Disney.

I really did enjoy it but it didn't bring anything new to the Princess formula, and I think a lot of people were expecting it to. Soundtrack was disappointing, How Far I'll Go has to be one of the weaker Disney Princess songs out there. Beautiful movie, loved Moana as a character, but it was just "okay".

>>91168533
She'd be 5000 years by the time those swamp-suckers managed what Moana's grand grand granddad had accomplished by tying a few sticks together

>>91168788
I'm expecting serious jailtime for popping a boner in the movie theater

>>91160106
Watch the movie again anon

>>91169074
>Soundtrack was disappointing
For me it's by far the best modern Disney soundtrack. Wasn't a single song I didn't find memorable or at least catchy

>>91168788
>We want the Loli and giant fetish audiences