Shitty Ideologies in Comics

>>91149293
Just reading that was painful.

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'member sinfest

>>91149293
See I think this stuff is stupid but I honestly don't care enough about it to get angry or upset.

I just don't give a shit.

If it becomes a big thing in the comic going forward then I can see why you'd be upset. But if it's one page who gives a fuck? Getting furious about it is honestly about as bad as a tumblrina getting furious about some comic saying there can only be two genders or something.

>>91149544
The Op pic is dumb because Paranatural has shit pacing as is, and spending an entire page of a character coming up with a stupid backstory justification for a character's choice of pronouns (which is but the latest in a long line of pointless SJW throws for a dying webcomic) is just retarded.

But nothing compares to the SJW swan dive that Sinfest makes. The Walkyverse is SJW trash, but it's just preachy, and has a warped sense of justice. I get the feeling that the writer of Sinfest doesn't even understand social justice.

>>91149591

Paranatural moves at a glacier's pace as is. Yet rather than take a break, speed up the pace, or just fucking get on with the main plot Zack wastes a whole page going on this stupid tangent.

That's why this sucks.

>>91149293
>/co/ is so upset by this, they have to make 3 separate threads to discuss it
wew lads

>>91149632
I've actually been wondering it's just been a long term joke

Let me guess, shitty ideologies means ideologies you don't agree with, don't they?

>>91149293
it sounds like a joke to me but I take most things as a joke
>little kid goes to some weird rock concert about gender issues
>comes back armed with KNOWLEDGE and a love of RAWK and or ROLL
>now uses neutral pronouns because they're just an impressionable kid

>>91149293
Are you actually upset?
Or just making a thread cause you think it is fun to complain?

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I don't even give a fuck about the story anymore.
I got into this because it was full of great jokes and pretty good art.

Now it's wacky faces, pastel backgrounds, and washed-out colors.
It's time to take it off the bookmarks, I guess.

>>91149806
The best thing you can do for yourself anon is just taking this out of your bookmarks and coming back to it in a year when Chapter 5 is over.

Sooner or later either this comic dies, gets good again, or becomes so shit that you don't have to feel bad about hating what it's become.

>you become nonbinary when someone hits you in the face with an old Prince brochure
What deadly serious ideological argumentation were dealing with here.

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Although everything from DC was shitty well before this moment

>>91150033
>It's okay to punch a person that's tied and bound in the jaw.

Is using nonbinary pronouns really an ideology? Ain't it more of like a personal expressive choice like getting a haircut or something?

>>91150181
Don't try to argue with bait threads.

>>91150295
>>91150181
The concept of a person being "nonbinary" is inherently retarded.

>>91150181
The ideology is that gender identity is a personal expresssive choice like getting a haircut, and is almost completely orthogonal to biology.

>>91150295
But my gender identity is a strawman!

>>91150117
It's okay to punch for any reason in cape books though.

>>91149293
>Those moments where a comic or cartoon you were watching/reading decided to thrust some obvious satire
Fixed.

>>91149591
>says despite Zack already having made a mini chapter in the middle of an, already slow, chapter for no reason other than to show case a lesbain date between a black and a muslim
kek

>>91150181
Thinking non binary is a legitimate concept is indicative of certain ideology, yes.

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>>91150181
It's so you can get sympathy points without having to do much.

It's just being kind of androgynous without any nasty hormones or work.

We live in a Special Snowflake arms race, where the specialist wins

Panel 1:
>Do you think you could ask your ringwraith friend to curb his bloodlust? For soon I will die.

Panel 2:
>Sure, we're cool. Also, RJ goes by "they" and "them". They's nonbinary.
>RJ: I'm too cool for a single gender.


There. Condensed a page's worth of explanation into two panels. Make the rest of the page story-related.

Zack, you're not Tite Kubo. You don't need to go into the backstories of every single character while moving tangential to the main plot.

>>91150844
Better yet, don't throw stupid SJW shit into any comic.

>>91149293
How does going to a metal concert turn one non-binary?

My cousin went to a Twenty one pilots concert once and now [s]she[/s] he now changed his name. So it seems like a theme.

^wtf did i just reply to my own reply in the same reply?

>>91151744
I think im becomeing autismohelp pls
tumblr is whispering in my earhelp

>>91151261
Nah, SJW shit is fine as long as you don't beat your audience to death with it. The character bios showed that RJ was nonbinary for years and nobody cared.

>>91150817
Wouldn't non-binary be considered a generalist?

>>91151261
Better yet, don't act like people thinking "taboo" thoughts is some sort of war on you personally.

>>91149544
I really used to like Sinfest. Then it turned to SJW garbage.

>>91153542
Why would you ever have to label yourself as such in the first place? There's absolutely no reason other than to try to incite the feeling of being special.

>>91150181
>Is using nonbinary pronouns really an ideology?
No, but loathing people who do it is, and a key part of that ideology is to create a forced equivalence between them and whatever new point of view they're trying to annihilate this week. If they hypocritically present points of view as meaningless personal preference, as trivial as ice cream flavors, they can act oppressed whenever someone says that their POV is wrong or a different POV is right, and not have to consider the idea of a different POV actually being right.

>>91149293
>Welp, another one into the garbage. Rather than make a thread just to bitch about this, though, how about a thread about moments like this in general?
So you're mad that the secretive purposefully androgynous person has a reason to be secretive and purposefully androgynous, instead of falling victim to any number of tropes or cliches behind mystery characters of unknown gender

Who gives a shit what you think

>>91153732
>as trivial as ice cream flavors
>I think ice cream should only come in vanilla and butter pecan
>but there are people who feel otherwise, why enforce your viewpoint on others and tell them they are wrong?
>Have you ever considered that you were wrong? No, you haven't
People are literally raised to think your way, so the notion that they haven't considered that is kinda shortsighted

>>91153612
Good thing I said nothing of the sort then.

>>91154004
You're probably alluding to something vastly different from ice cream flavors which, unlike your false equivalence, is disapproved of for an actual reason.

>>91154213
>Good thing I said nothing of the sort then.
You didn't? Sorry, I'll check again.

>>91151261
Nope, your post is still there.

>>91154229
I wasn't the one who originally compared nonbinary pronouns and genders to ice cream flavors
But my subsequent point still stands

>>91154256
Never said it was a "war on my personality" it's just annoying.

>>91154298
>I wasn't the one who originally compared nonbinary pronouns and genders to ice cream flavors
Yes you were. I said they weren't the same. You lied that they were.

>But my subsequent point still stands
No it doesn't. Your point is to pretend that things are meaningless personal preference and nothing else so that no one can call your side "wrong".

>>91154320
You didn't? Sorry, I'll check again.

>>91151261
>SJW
Nope, your post is still there.

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>>91154384
Oh, I get it now.

>>91149293
That entire page looked like it was a joke. The hell is the problem here?

>>91154004
>I think ice cream should only come in vanilla and butter pecan
But that's correct. All other flavors are degenerate.

>>91154505
Spending a whole page on a 'joke' when the series moves at the speed of "one page a week, if you're lucky".

Also, if you think it's a joke, check the author's twitter, he's pissed right now.

>>91149544
>>91149632
>>91153653
For the longest time, I thought it was some kind of ironic joke.

>>91154874
What's he pissed about?

>>91154505
I think the problem is supposed to be that it blatantly features sexual minorities. From what I've heard, the "correct" way to handle them is to quietly include them as background scenery without drawing any attention to them, such as mentioning it as a trivial footnote in their character profile. Having them in the foreground, directly acknowledging their sexual identity, or even having character development about how they deal with it, is bad because it's intrusive and shoves it in the audience's face. Apparently it's "pandering" or "virtue signaling" or something.

>>91149293
They had an epiphany about gender, and wear blackface as a symbol of that epiphany?

Well, the kid's right about irony.

>>91149758
yeah, given the circumstances it seems to be a joke about impressionable children latching onto things they vaguely know about? which makes it odd to me that apparently tumblr is giving this praise, for whatever reason? fuck if i know

>>91155464
Anything could look like a satirical attack to a sufficiently contemptuous reader.

Even if people actually believe it.

Even if the author actually believes it.

Even if the author's right.

>>91149293
It reminds me of that page from a recent Deadman story where something similar happens, although that page was kind of unintentionally funny because Deadman didn't really seem to give a shit.

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>>91154558
>based cookies and cream is degenerate
>implying

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>>91155038
The main problem is that Paranatural has been declining in quality for years now and dedicating an entire page to something like this is just another example of how horrendously slow and meandering the pacing has gotten

Zack is probably doing this to scare us off anyway

>>91154558
>pecan
Choclate and Strawberry deserve to live but Pecan sucks.
I will promise the saftey of Pecan and award it the status of HONOURARY NEAPOLITAN if you'll join our side.

MELT THE MINTS. ICE WAR NOW.

>>91155013
Someone needs to make a "When you are waiting for a joke to end but it's taking forever" pic out of sinfest.

>>91155026
Bumping for this question.
I also want to know what got his panties in a bunch.

>>91149544
>Write webcomic
>Most popular, reader-acclaimed arc features a cute little devil girl who falls in love with a human
>PSSSH FUCK THAT SHIT! SMASH THE PATRIARCHY!

>>91156611

>strawberry

We should just gas people like you.

>>91157440
>Mintposter detected

Don't you have a leg of lamb to be on?

>>91156465
This tweet is why I never read Paranatural despite my interest. No matter what you make going out of your way to try and make people not like it is a surefire way to fucking ruin it for everybody and be obnoxious while doing it. I'd probably find the OP page condescending as fuck were nonbinary swapped out for bisexual.

Not even getting into how stupidly out of touch you have to be about how 4chan's community works to pull the assumptions he has made out of his ass. It's like he got the entirety of how 4chan is from a fucking tumblr post.
>4chan hates gay people right? Right.

>>91156611
>MELT THE MINTS
Mint chocolate chip, bro. I don't like many things that are as brisk as mint. Mint choco-chip is my only sticking point.

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>>91149293
I can't believe how crappy the art has become.

>>91157772
I like how I can always see a PNat thread from the catalogue.

I recognize those bland, washed out Pastels anywhere.

Although, for a while, I did sometimes mistake Possy opossum threads for PNat

>>91157616
You've chosen to hate the entire series unilaterally, despite not reading any of it, because of a single joke that the author made.

Also, you find the joke offensive because you feel unfairly stereotyped by it, in a thread where the OP fits perfectly with his alleged bias.

>>91157834
Actually he as mention the tweet as well. I think having a good idea of an author's opinions as well as their willingness and openess about filling their otherwise unrelated work with them is fair grounds.

Early Pnat was best PNat. Good quiet author. Good art. Good writing.
Look at what we have now.

>>91157834
Where did I say I hated it anon? I said that I never read it because of the author's mindset and intentions stepping forward with the comic, which is entirely reasonable as it would effect the comic in a way I'd dislike.

It's pretty childish of you to polarise everything like that anon.

Also he wasn't joking: He had an entire twitter rant about it and how he wasn't standing up for what he believes in hard enough if people who browsed a website didn't like it.

>>91157694
One scoop rule, friend. Yes, I know choc mint is better, almost makes mint look good- but they're till MINT. We cannot abide the profaining of chocolate chips that might otherwise had lived happy lives with other, better flavours.

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>>91157877
I like to imagine that the Issac body pillow was the turning point

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>>91157877
The only reason the earlier chapters were so good was because they were introductory.

Zack can't handle pacing lots of plot points, because he wants to introduce lots of stuff, because he has lots of ideas.

Also, I think his fanbase is enabling him. Due to their retarded appetites, they treat PNat less as a story and more as a mine for reaction faces and new, wacky characters.

I know it's unpopular to say on /co/ now, but I'd strangle Tumblr in a heartbeat

>>91157897
>Didn't like it
liked it*

>>91156465
It's pretty sad if that's his goal. I thought an artist's goal was to make good art.

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>>91149293
aaaaand I'm out.

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>>91157921
I wouldn't even the say the pacing is that big an issue. The biggest killer was the art completely going down the drain. I could tolerate the bad pacing and even the tumblr pandering if the art had maintained or improved on its Chapter 3ish quality. Instead it went from good looking characters and vibrant colors to a nauseauting pastel bean face nightmare

Ava's Demons, for example. doesn't have the greatest story or pacing, but /co/ generally loves it because the art style is gorgeous.

>>91157976
How many years has it been since this character last appeared?

>>91157971
Good art comes second to letting people know how much of a good person you are if you're an egotistical jerk off.

Honestly the fact that he has a nonbinary character isn't even that much of an issue to me but knowing why he put them there is. It's pretty sad really.

>>91157986
Well, yeah, the art's a huge turn off for me too, although I liked the chapter 2 quality the best for whatever reason.

I was interested in the story, though, and it sucks that this chapter has frayed so badly in particular. People bitched about Ghost Train, but Ghost Train is Nothing compared to this.

Hell, I can't even fathom that this is the same chapter Hitball was in.

With something like Ava's Demon, I don't even read it, I just look at the sexy girls in the threads

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>>91158017
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>>91157897
>It's pretty childish of you to polarise everything like that anon.
It's pretty childish of you to "polarise" yourself against a comic so strongly, because of a single joke that offends you, that you refuse to even read it to confirm your judgement while still acting as if your judgement thoroughly applies to the entire comic. It doesn't matter whether you call it "hate" or not.

>>91158652
Polarise and polarize are both correct and accepted.

I'm not aligning myself against anything strongly, I'm just not reading it because the author's goals would go against my enjoyment. Choosing not to read something because you don't think you'll like it isn't being strongly against something. You're polarising again.

I went over how the tweet wasn't a joke in my post but you were too busy projecting a personality onto me to read it I guess.

I haven't even been acting as if it applies to the entire comic. In fact: I've said I had an interest in it, which implies that I rather like the look of the comic. I've been acting as if my judgement will apply to the comic in the future. Yet again, polarising.

This would not be something I could have read to confirm my judgement as it was the author stating his intentions before he did it. Believe it or not I can't read pages before the artist has even put them out anon, I can't see the future. I can't see if his intentions spoiled his comic at any point from then until the point it finished. All I can do is look at his attitude, recognise it as a shitty, stupid and petty attitude that will harm his work regardless of his political persuasion and decide not to read it. I have no interest in getting invested in and enjoying a story only for it to turn fucking awful half way through because of the author's caustic views on creating art.

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>>91149806
I forgot this was fun once

>>91149591
>impyling OP is even that angry or upset
>merely discussing the topic means you're mad
Hmm.

>>91157921
>Due to their retarded appetites, they treat PNat less as a story and more as a mine for reaction faces and new, wacky characters.
this
all they care about is "inclusion" of whatever oppressed minority there happens to be, they completely overlook the shittiness of it all because Zack panders to them

>>91158821
Wow, that's a long rant.

Well, if you want to judge an entire comic without reading it, and actively refuse to read any of it because you ____ it so much (whatever you call your feelings), then it's certainly within your abilities to do so. I can see I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and there's not much point to trying.

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>>91158861
Stop reminding me of better days, anon.

It hurts so much to see such expressive, well drawn art devolve into the dreck we have now.

>>91158945
Sup man im gonna make a webcomic. Im a fantastic artist but I poorly express my political views and have an obnoxious personality. My webcomic is likely going to be decent for awhile but because similar webcomic artists fuck up there comic in shockingly similar ways that my behavior is now a red flag to people who seen how things went for the other webcomics will now avoid me and my comic.

>>91158945
Why're you trying to convince someone to read a comic?

>>91158945
It's OK anon I understand. Reading is very, very hard. At least now I can understand why you like the comic, who cares about the content when you can just look at the pretty pictures?

I'll be sure not to address the points you raise in your posts in the future. That was very mean of me. Especially where I didn't fit into the neat little bubble you put me in, it was very rude of me to not fit your preconceived idea of why I wasn't reading. I should have just called you names without even reading your post at all. It would have been so much better of me.

>>91158861
>those panels were less than 24 hours ago in the comic
>it came out 3 years ago
Holy fuck this comic moves slowly

>>91159022
At first it was because his reasons for hating it were blatantly stupid, but then I realized there was nothing to gain from arguing. Even if he chose to give it a token readthrough to see if his prejudgement had any merit, he'd probably go out of his way to cherry-pick any examples of politics he could find, then come away even more smug and angry than he started.

>>91159007
You can stop trying to rationalize it now.

>>91159022
After the first reaction, and hell in that first thread, Hiveworks readers have hopped over into these threads to defend their husbando's comic's honour.

>>91159049
Okay, NOW I'm convinced that you're not hateful or polarised at all. No one with an us-versus-them mentality would type up a post like that. Sorry for judging you so harshly.

>>91149293
But irony is metal.

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>>91149806
>Johnny dumbass justification for going the path where the plot is
It was so stupid but I love it.

what, the existence of me.?

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>>91149544
Even when it goes back to the obvious Calvin and Hobbes strips, it still has that veneer of awkward feminist pandering.

>>91149293
Those first four panels sound kinda like a commercial.
>mundane(-ish) situation
>Hey Becky, speaking of <current topic of conversation> have you heard about gender identities?
>Why no I haven't Jan, tell me more!
>You can tell everyone you're whatever gender you want and pretend like it makes a difference!
>What! You can do that? No one told 'me'!
>Yeah, it's a bit of a secret, but I couldn't leave out my BFF!
>Thanks Jan!

>>91154421
He's right though you stupid piece of shit.

MISS. SUCH NICE IMAGES. OF NME FIRE DOGGY. NBEFOR U GROTESQUE EETARUAYASD WOULD NOT FUCK OF

>>91149632
>>91149733
He started dating a feminist, and that's when his comic went to shit.

>>91149806
>night scene
>actually dark
I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to tell a scene was at night in modern Paranatural without being able to see the sky.

>>91149591
Because this trainwreck of a chapter is going on for more than a year and it's going absolutely nowhere, and this fucking hack is wasting our time with this pointless "exposition" that takes up an entire fucking page.

>>91149293
But anon, that's possibly the funniest, least offensive, tonally consistent way possible to introduce a nonbinary character to paranatural. A young impressionable kid went to a concert and came back with their mind blown and their world changed. That's the most middle school thing ever.

Also it's not like this is news. RJ was confirmed "they" like two years ago by Zack.

>>91160515
>this fucking hack is wasting our time with this pointless "exposition" that takes up an entire fucking page.
It's made worse by the fact that he made a side comic specifically for pages like this, but for some reason decided it was a good idea to waste yet another page on something completely irrelevant to the plot.

>>91160571
>But anon, that's possibly the funniest, least offensive, tonally consistent way possible to introduce a nonbinary character to paranatural.
Is the funniest, lease offensive, tonally consistent way possible to make something happen with the plot?

>>91160571
See this:
>>91160767
The problem isn't that the character exists in this particular form, as many have said it was revealed in side-information long ago. The problem is that this character's gender PREFERENCES and pronoun PREFERENCES are, ultimately, irrelevant. Not only from an ideological perspective, but from the perspective of a story. This entire explanation, this entire page, is irrelevant to the story.

This is the same shit people hate Furries for in real life; the fact that you have a fursona is irrelevant to every single conversation and topic possible except for furries. The fact that this character is nonbinary is irrelevant in every single part of the plot, THEREFORE, the only reason this page exists is to vomit the author's ideology at the reader.

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>>91160368
>"""He's""" right

Uh-huh. Gotcha.

>>91159061
>Hiveworks

Isn't that the David Willis racket or am I thinking of a different webcomic clique

>>91156465
See, this shit right here makes me glad I stopped reading the comic years ago. Man is obviously a fucking idiot.

>>91160914
>This entire explanation, this entire page, is irrelevant to the story.
That's what I was saying.
This nonbinary thing is completely unrelated and gives the readers absolutely zero new information on the plot or any of the subplots.
It's pure tumblr soapboxing about gender bullshit when he doesn't have time for it.

If his pace weren't glacial he could've spared this particular tidbit of information a few panels while actually getting something done, but wasting an entire page on something only tumblr and 4chan would care about is sad.

>>91160914
Forget the nonbinary stuff, what even is the relevance of RJ at this point? Half the cast could be cut out with no noticeable losses to the narrative

>>91163343
Johnny's cronies at least served the purpose of giving him a way to prove he's not a total dick to literally everyone and that he does have a capacity for caring about others.
Ollie has been getting some decent screen time to become an actual character, but RJ is literally just "that nonbinary thing". Anything else about RJ would've been more interesting and a better use of a page than this.

>>91160571
>least offensive way possible to introduce a nonbinary character
It's being presented to people who are disgusted by the idea, who react by screaming PREFERENCES PREFERENCES PREFERENCES in capslock, who decide that they know the now-unwritten comic is definitely going to be unreadably political from now on, who choose to take it as seriously as possible so they can call the author a hateful political monster for it.

Evidently, the least offensive option possible is still too offensive.

>>91149544

My favorite part of internet feminism is harassing women, just like the best part of internet sjw activism is harassing brown people and attacking race-mixers.

I'm sure it's not the case but I just can't imagine a single actual born with a uterus female not being deeply offended by everything in sinfest

>gender issues of 12-year olds

Way to go, Hack Morrison.

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>>91149293
>dumbing of age
>questionable content
>paranatural
Why does /co/ only post bad comics that they hate?
Why can't /co/ post good comics that they like?

>>91150033
>Feminists denying the truth with anger and violence

It's like double ironic.

>>91156465
Well, his comic fucking sucks now. What's the next step of his master plan?

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>>91149544
what's she supposed to wear instead, only feminist-sanctioned fashion?
does she need a fucking burqa lest she objectify women everywhere by showing an ankle?

>>91164662
wasn't that guy saying something about how there shouldn't be female superheroes too, while bound with the fucking magical truth rope
seriously what the fuck, am i just remembering that part wrong

>>91164631
I don't know about the others, but /co/ really, really liked Paranatural for a long-ass time.

We're all in for this beaten housewife syndrome ride.

>>91164087
I heard that they wanted us to never be allowed to disagree with a female because (insert strawman here). Now I'm supposed to hate them because they dare to disagree with a female (nevermind that some of them are women).

Admittedly, that's not nearly the first time I've heard that bit of faulty logic. It's always remarkable when people try to "beat the EVIL social justice DEMONS at their own game" by finding any scraps of so-called hypocrisy they can and treating them like a trump card, but generally end up implicitly supporting the sort of inane extremist views that they like to attribute to their enemies.

Like the ever-popular "look at this white cishet male thinking his social justice opinion matters when a minority disagrees with him, what a hypocrite" which is nonsense even by its own flawed logic because the person being attacked for not being in a minority is often agreed with by people actually in the minority. And also because being in a minority group isn't a logic-bypassing trump card.

>>91164991
>And also because being in a minority group isn't a logic-bypassing trump card.
According to SJWs, it is. Progressive stack and all.

>>91149591
Real men only get angry when people post /co/ threads they don't like.

>>91164631
Unsounded, Whomp, Gunnerkrigg, KSBD, and some others I'm forgetting get threads every update and are generally liked.

>>91165025
And yet >>91164087 is infuriated with "feminists" for precisely the opposite reason: they judge the beliefs and actions of women on their own merits, heedless of the fact that they're the thoughts and actions of FEMALES and feminists are supposed to support females. The fact that some of the people guilty of this criticism are just as female as some individuals on the "other side" is worth noting, but that poster seems to struggle with the idea that a female would be less offended than they are.

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>>91149293
>>91149806
'Member when RJ was a kid who had his face in shadow because of his hood instead of a weird blackface monster?

>>91155013
Me too. I was sure the sisterhood was meant to be seen as the bad guys after the page about one of them raping and torturing a fembot.

>>91164631
How is this so good?

>>91164809
Paranatural has now been bad for longer than it has been good.
There's just no excuse.

>>91165236
Sure there is, we can't quit.

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>author is young and come from a middle~upper class family
>tries to give the audience a life lesson
>it's shallow and only applicable to a niche part of life

>>91165259
>eat a single good tasting candybar
>company changes recipe, now includes cat piss
>have to keep eating it
This isn't beaten housewife syndrome, this is had a good first date and several beatings ever after syndrome

>>91165198
>the page about one of them raping and torturing a fembot
Haven't seen that one. Got a link handy?

>>91165353
I don't. It was the one where a sister hacked one of the devils fembot factories and made one of the bots experience rape and similar instead of the life of a happy housewife until it snapped and escaped.

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>>91149806
Wow, JOKES and CHARACTERIZATION at the service of the PLOT. I forgot Paranatural once knew how to do that!

>>91149293
Is Paranatural worth picking up it if I was reading it for Suzy?

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>>91165476

>>91155038
I mean it's more shoving it in people's faces.

If you want to write a story about a gay person dealing with being gay, fine, but when a character is just "I'M GAAAAAAAAAY!" it feels, well, flat. Like that's great, Steve, but can we maybe talk about the Anderson account?

>>91165601
>, but when a character is just "I'M GAAAAAAAAAY!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-_GWUw8LwM

>>91157792
Holy shit this. It stands out so harshly next to everything else.

you know there's a hashtag to call out shitty Ideology in marvel called #makemarvelgreatagain to call out the feminism/sjw bullshit.

>>91165313
Every
Fucking
Time
Why is it that whenever a comic delves into this shit it's always some middle class or upper middle class fuckwad spouting skin-deep bullshit like they're relaying some kind of genuine wisdom?

>>91157921
I've literally seen posts praising Zarei's flanderization to a clumsy bumbling lesbian, and that doesn't even include the crops of the "wacky" faces. It fucking sucks

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>>91160406
Her type of feminism seems relatively tame

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>>91165313
It's like how his girlfriend has no idea how to portray poor households. I'm not asking for a completely dilapidated building but at least make an effort. I feel like she's trying to make some sort of statement throughout the comic about the supposed mistreatment of the monsters but given the fact that webcomics are a visual medium she seems to be disregarding the "show not tell" rule

>>91165339
The Good first date lasted a long time.

>>91155038
>even having character development
>development
there is nothing to develop, they're gay, just as straights are just straight
It's a waste of time.

You're an idiot, if your shallow attempt of sarcasm wasn't oblivious of that already.

>>91154004
F O O D A N A L O G Y
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>>91164631
/co/ likes to hate on things more than it likes to talk about things it likes.

>>91149293
Liek some anon said before, working on webcomics does things to you. It's not just that the people that make webcomics are somewhat fucked in the head already, it actually seems to corrode your mind.

>>91149806
What the fuck is this thing? Does he wear a tearaway balaclava?

>>91150181
I feel like people go nonbinary or trans or whatever to avoid stereotypes of men and women, but it just makes them even bigger stereotypes.

>>91166288
To be fair Black Mirror is a fucking garbage show

>>91150033
Any comic that uses the word "mansplaining" gets dropped by me immediately.

I'm reading WW atm and don't recognize this. This from JLA?

>>91166288
>men and women are equal
>OH NO THIS COMIC SHOWS VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN
>and lol what's with its spotty morals?

She sounds like a gigantic hypocritical piece of shit.

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I tried to make the colors less pale. Does it look better or worse?

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>>91167535
>working on webcomics does things to you
>webcomics

>>91149293
any shitty alt-right nonsense or weird tangent about how much the author hates women

>>91168262
>She sounds like a gigantic hypocritical piece of shit.
Yes. It's already been established that she's a Feminazi.

>>91168271
I didn't say printed comics were much better, but with webcomics it's almost ubiquitous.

>>91166384
Jesus Christ, I'm not of the opinion that you need to be from a certain background to cover territory like poor people shit or living in dangerous communities or feeling alienated but it's like these people have never even driven through rough neighborhoods; that house looks nicer than anything I've ever lived in.

>>91168270
That looks a lot better than what we have now.

>>91168287
A comic with right wing sensibilities? Gimme a name so I can buy stacks.

>>91164631
It's really cathartic to air your grievances, and 4chan is the only place you can do so openly with no repercussions

>>91168597
That's dumb as hell and absolutely wrong. I don't know why you think 4chan is the only place on the Internet where negativity is king.

>>91169182
Maybe anon meant something like people are less likely to doxx or generally harass you for any old-fashioned opinions?

>>91169226
That's definitely not true either.

>>91169226
What? That's 4chan's bread and butter, the signature move.

>>91165191
He was an expy of Wooden Sword Ryu's gang buddies.

>>91156465
>alienating a possible readerbase
fucking why

>>91169417
Because it's 4chan. Are you guys suddenly forgetting the reputation this site has built for itself and worked so hard to maintain?

>>91169469
yeah but most popular things go through the 4chan grinder

most of those le meme faces were 4chans
minecraft had input from 4chan

both of those are normie central now

>>91169514
It was already popular with 4chan when he said it. It was BECAUSE it had gotten popular on 4chan that he said it, because 4chan did what it always does when it finds something shiny and new.

>>91156465
This was the reason I dropped the comic, not the SJW undertones or the glacial pacing.

Fucker should have been proud that his art could be enjoyed by different people, regardless of what website they go on or what they believed.
I hope it ruins him.

>>91166384
>The downtrodden live solo in breezy and clean suburban family-sized houses

Absolutely bourgeoisie; how wealthy do you guys think the author's family is

>>91167324
I'd rather have a food analogy than a video game or sci-fi one tbqh famalam

>>91150033
I understand how infuriating it can be for someone to talk down to you in a condescending manner, and it's not like men who go "ACKSHUALLY" towards women don't exist, but this is such a non-issue for fuck's sake, not to mention that it's been overused and abused to the point that if any guy talks to a female it's mansplaining.

>>91169314
You think half the stuff that gets discussed on 4chan, even without counting /pol/, would be allowed on any mainstream website like Facebook?

>>91169743
>I hope it ruins him.
As if.

SJWism is the latest big thing among artists, especially web artists. He has nowhere to go but up by alienating 4chan, who are perceived as a site for white nationalist Trump supporters.

>>91156465
Do people like this not realize half the boards on this site are dedicated to shit like cooking?

>>91170085
Yes. Facebook's not nearly as hippy-positive as you seem to think it is, hell /pol/ bullshit isn't even that out of place or rare to see.

>>91169917
Says she's from Savannah Georgia, a lot of plantation legacy families down there with money

>>91170195
Well I mean, it's not like /ck/'s ever raided another cooking site the way /b/ used to or the way /pol/ does.

>>91170085
You really believe shit from /pol/ doesn't get discussed and spread around on Facebook?

>>91170147
IIRC there was a lot of negative feedback on tumblr too when the lesbian muslim date started.
Most of them mad about either an already glacial plot being pointlessly interrupted, or because it was incredibly obvious that Zack was trying too hard to pander to them.

>One issue of a webcomic I like stated ideology that I don't agree with, so it's all trash

Yours is one of the dumbest statements I've read in the last two weeks.

Why don't you learn to ignore parts you don't like, the way people do in print comics?

Oh, it's another "everything triggers /co/" thread.

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>>91170253
>plantation legacy

One minute it's nonbinary characters, the next we're suggesting webcomic artists are descendants of slave owners

>>91170407
Who are you quoting?

>>91149293

I'm peeved at this, not because of pronoun shit, but because it has to be justified. Like, a character should be able to have whatever stupid pronouns they want, who cares, but spending a page explaining it is like it's something that can't just be how it is without explanation. It's like this character can't just be a them without some rationalization. That other gay/bi kid didn't need a page explaining how he saw a weiner and thought "Hey, that's pretty good." There better be something later that brings up something plot crucial established on this page or else the author is making a big no no. Only time will tell I guess.

>>91170820
It's just a fucking page, who cares, stop making it be a fucking big deal. It's about time it got acknowledged. And the singer appears to be that agent with the weird tool that killed the train spirit, so this page is not completely irrelevant. Plus, it also explains where Max's T-shirt came from (you can see Max and his father in the crowd). The jokes are not bad either. The only objectively bad thing is Johnny's speech, especially at the beginning, and the fact that RJ's sex got revealed (it would have been so much better if it had been left ambiguous).

>>91168287
Name three.

>>91170013
they also made it a gender issue like condescending women don't exist, especially ones who bitch about fair representation

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>>91149293
>tfw used to argue against "Zack is a hack" posts
>then Hitball happened

>>91149293
I am extremely upset too.

Irony is decidedly not metal!

How dare they!

>>91149293
>Shitty Ideologies in Comics
so, Cerebus thread?

>>91173164
Exactly, not to mention that there are certainly women out there more than willing to condescend to a man simply because they are, you know, male.

At least there hasn't been anything about manspreading in actual print comics r-right?

>>91168270
When the heads started going bean-shape.

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>>91166288
>Spotty morals
Please never watch The Outer Limits.

>>91171093
>It's just a fucking page

In a pile of equally pointless pages that has slowed the plot to a stop. Not to mention the art has degraded along side them.

>Plus, it also explains where Max's T-shirt came from

Hu-fucking-rray

>>91171093
>it's just a page
You ever hear the phrase "straw that broke the camel's back"

How about instead of a straw it's a big iron pipe

>>91171093
>explains Max's T-shirt

top kek

>>91170407
paranatural is shitty in quite alot of other ways lmao

>>91168270
I like it!

>>91171093
>It's about time it got acknowledged
IN THE LONGEST CHAPTER OF THE STORY? That's shuffled between no less than five simultaneous plots with no progression on the fucking TITLE of said chapter?

This page elaborates on something that means absolutely nothing to the story or themes. Fuck's sake, sometimes shit just sucks. This page doesn't need to exist at all. Remove it from the story and you'd lose nothing.