GI JOE: A REAL GLOBALIST HERO

>>91139325
Fuck off /pol/

>>91139325
All I see is Hasbro going "we want to make an updated G.I. Joe" – which means literally nothing, because it could mean "grimdark murderporn" or "campy adventure" or "liberal propaganda" or "literally funded by the US military" – and BleedingCool complaining that the end times are here for no apparent reason.

>>91139325
They're going to be fucking kids aren't they? Bloody lefties.

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> he doesn't realkze that nationalism and a strong military can also be leftist

Though you can argue that it is right wing if you say that the American military exists not to protect America, but is a military industrial complex just to secure profit for private multinational companies in never ending wars with no concern for the American people and troops.
Reaganomics!

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Also you need to realize that while Hasbro and Hollywood peddles leftist propaganda for sale, at the end of the day they are right wing capitalists looking to make a fat profit as the end goal.

>>91139325
Lol GI Joe was patriotic but it has always been lefty as fuck.

>>91140887

The odd ways Hama snuck in commentary let him skewer the left and right at the same time. The man us a master.

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I don't really understand why GI Joe would need changing. Cobra has always been a group of corrupt financial elites trying to mess up things for their own gain. That's like, historically a universally applicable concept.

Unless they're talking about GI Joe now just using drones to blow up Muslims. Which, in that case, does it become a vehicle centric line? Would you even need man-shaped figures? Collect all your favorite drones with unique color schemes?

If modernizing GI Joe means just a bit more real and serious like the comics, I am all fucking in.

If it means way more serious like the Dixon comics, I'm a bit apathetic but interested.

If it means some new goofy spin, I'll sit back and shake my head like every single time they've tried that before, and there have been plenty.

The cartoon was the goofiest GI Joe property. It's also dated and shitty. Give me some games with a Hama approach already. CoD meets Metal Gear. Let's do it.

>>91141021

Hell GI Joe predicted the rise of PMC's before Metal Gear.

>>91140012
>>91140110
>>91140761
>>91140887


From the EW article a few months ago as it pertains to the comics with Stitterson, in which several of the fears expressed in this thread became an issue, including Stitterson stating that politics would heavily play into the book:

>SITTERSON: Exceptionally frequently and exceptionally heavily. Especially given the current geopolitical climate, with the rise of multiple ethnonationalist movements, the troubling militarization of the police and our own president-elect threatening to start a new nuclear arms race. This was something that was very much on my mind, and there were a couple decisions made as a direct result of it. The first is moving G.I. Joe away from being strictly an American team. The Decepticon Skywarp is our first non-American team member, but there are already more in the works – human ones from real world countries. The other change is our choice to have the Joes use lasers. Not only is it a nice nod to the Sunbow cartoon series (which is where Giannis and I first fell in love with Joe), but it avoids the more ugly aspects of the concept. To me, there’s something grim about putting heavy-duty, real-world weaponry in the hands of these heroic characters. Our Joes prefer to solve problems without brutality, and they’re talented and well-trained enough to manage it. I actually think that G.I. Joe can do a lot more good in another way, by embracing what has always made the series great, going all the way back to the cartoon series, where people of all genders, races, and ethnicities willingly came together to accomplish a goal.


http://ew.com/books/2016/12/27/idw-new-g-i-joe-comic/

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>>91140887
GI Joe constantly shit on liberal ideas

>>91140951
Yeah. Hama really can't be pigeon holed as a left or right guy. Didn't he go around New York with a conceal carry? Plus he also was friends with a number of black guys that kept getting crap from Marvel staff.

Hama is based.

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>>91140887
The comic also stated multiple times that gun control doesn't work and that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

>>91141105

How is the new series? I dropped out of the IDW line for never going anywhere and killing half the cast. This seems tohave abandoned wcry previous plot thread that was halfway to imteresting.

>>91141149

He used his concealled carry license as ID at a bank with Priest and I think McDuffie fucking around and acting like tough muscle just to troll.

>>91141105
What a load of shit. Pretty sure GI Joe had members who were not American before. They worked for the US government and military, but we have had Joes from other countries. I even remember having Russian ones as a kid in an appeal to ease Cold War tensions.

>>91141210
Yup. That was the story I was thinking of where it was mentioned.

>>91141124
Cobra is literally a bunch of money hungry white dudes trying revert everything back to the 50's.

>>91141165

It also ridiculed extremist right militia groups at all turns.

Lambasted most right leaning intelligence thinking and so forth.

Hama simply doesn't humor anybody's shit.

>>91140817
Nah, they're left-wing hypocritical capitalists. If they were right-wing, they'd push more wholesome family values.

>>91141224

There is a Russian equivalent team in the comics. They and the Joe team are sort of frenemies. They understand each other as people who defend their countries, but at times work against each other.

>>91141105
>Our Joes prefer to solve problems without brutality, and they’re talented and well-trained enough to manage it

Soooo... Original cartoon G.i. Joe?

>>91141165
it's actually more about weaponizing people so they are ready for the popular revolt.

>>91141246
>Hama simply doesn't humor anybody's shit.

This, it's just that your average 4chan anon only thinks in a black and white you're with me or against me mentality.

>>91141395

It's hard being anti SJW yet mostly left leaning on the current internet. Both sides froth at the mouth if you attempt a thing resembling nuance.

>>91140110
>stating that politics would heavily play into the book
No, he's just saying that he wanted to have it be more lighthearted and downplay the ra-ra American jingoism. He's outright stated that he doesn't want to have an orange businessman Cobra Commander who wants to Make Cobra Great Again, because that would be stupid and take you out of the story.
>>91141185
Personally, I've been loving it. It's a lot of fun, and the characters are actually likeable and engaging for the first time ever. It doesn't quite measure up to Costa's Cobra, but it's a lot better than Dixon/Van Lente/Traviss GI Joe.
>>91141296
Pretty much. Sitterson's said that that's what he's taking the most inspiration from.

>>91141296
It's funny because in the first issues of Giannis' comic it has the Joes going gun crazy and one of them even goes in drunk.

>>91141555

>No, he's just saying that he wanted to have it be more lighthearted and downplay the ra-ra American jingoism. He's outright stated that he doesn't want to have an orange businessman Cobra Commander who wants to Make Cobra Great Again, because that would be stupid and take you out of the story.

On politics playing a part in current GI Joe:

>SITTERSON: Exceptionally frequently and exceptionally heavily. Especially given the current geopolitical climate, with the rise of multiple ethnonationalist movements, the troubling militarization of the police and our own president-elect threatening to start a new nuclear arms race. This was something that was very much on my mind, and there were a couple decisions made as a direct result of it.

>>91141555

Which is weird, because no version of GI Joe has ever been jingostic. They usually attempt to show the governmental machine in a bad light, but the person in a good light.

And by likeable for the first time.... you just mean the IDWverse, right? Because bitch if you speak ill of Hama, etc.

>>91141245
I thought Cobra was a front for snake men from the Himalayas.

>>91141029
The comic is more sci-fi, not necessarily goofy bit more fantasy and probably than it ever was, I mean they have a freaking Transformer in the team.

>>91141165
Europe's and Japan's zero tolerance on civilian firearms and close to zero gun-related deaths says hi.

>>91141124
IIRC Hama detests conservatives like W.F. Buckley.

>>91141775

Only in the cartoon. In the comics they're snake oil salesmen who.... well to be frank they're proto Tea Party/Trump in rhetoric. Think Glorious Godfrey leading Hydra.

>>91141819
Not to mention their drastically lower incarceration rates and incomparibly higher public safety.

>>91141667
Yeah, he's saying that The Political Climate affected how he made his decisions, not that he's going to bring that politics into his book.
I mean, fuck, politics is just The Way The World Works. Are you really saying that nobody can have how they create be affected by it?
>>91141680
'course I'm only speaking about the IDWverse. Hama is one of the greats, but Dixon can't write decent characters for shit.

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Surprised there's no screeching about Salvo.

Honestly Sitterson has been doing good so far so I'm buying his comic, also hyped for the teased Joes vs Inhumanoids fight.

>>91141873

Dixon went out of his way to make every character cunty. Costa wrote the edgiest book possible, and his fuck ups were still more sympathetic.

Honestly I just wish a good writer followed up from Dixon's plots. A few interesting ideas were left swirling around and never went anywhere.

>>91141999
What few remaining G.I. Joe fans exist are making fun of it on their forums.
I'm honestly in favor of it. Thicc brown tall musclegirl who's cheerful and boisterous was, like, made to be waifu material for me.

>>91141185
I don't like it. Hipsters might. I'm not supporting it because I hate the direction it's going.

>>91142008
Costa was super edgy but I liked his story with Chuckles.

That said it made me happy seeing Chameleon being happy in the Optimus Prime comic, considering all the shit Costa put her through through with Cobra.

>>91142022
Well, it's been three issues and there hasn't been any of that so far beyond them recruiting exactly 1 non-American and taking jobs for the Chinese and Greek governments. It's mostly just fighting monsters and Dreadnoks so far.

>>91142115
Honestly all of Costa's GI Joe was fantastic. The Serpentor story and the one with Snake Eyes were relatively weak, but they were still good stories.

>>91142115

Costa pissed me off with her. She had clearly grown and earned some kind of redemption/trust. But he just refised to acknowledge that.

>>91141873
Stitterson specifically made reference to Trump and stated that his book was going to be very political and "diverse".

>>91142191

This is fucking /pol/ jumping at shadows, as always. You have a guy who actually reads the comics providing missing perspective and nuance, and you're ignoring it on purpose.

>>91141819
Japan bullshit their numbers. Anything that can't be solved easily is labeled suicide. Police look theven other way when certain organized crime groups kill other organized crime groups.

UK and Australia had basically the same gun crime rates before and after gun control.

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>>91142191
His Salvo is now a chubby brown woman. He specifically mentions GI Joe becoming more "diverse" and political. How is that jumping at shadows?

>>91142191
I've read all of IDW's GI Joe and the previous runs were infinitely more political than this one is, my dude. It's about G.I. Joe saving civilians from Australian bikers and Inhumanoids, not political intrigue and Trump. You are literally making this shit up.

>>91142452
>not liking thicc brown women
You gay or something?

>>91142245
Lol well I've actually read tje comic and so far there's no Trump mentions or anything, just one giant cranky Robot who can't into teleporting.

>>91142470
He says it with his own words:

>Exceptionally frequently and exceptionally heavily. Especially given the current geopolitical climate, with the rise of multiple ethnonationalist movements, the troubling militarization of the police and our own president-elect threatening to start a new nuclear arms race. This was something that was very much on my mind, and there were a couple decisions made as a direct result of it.

>The first is moving G.I. Joe away from being strictly an American team.

> To me, there’s something grim about putting heavy-duty, real-world weaponry in the hands of these heroic characters. Our Joes prefer to solve problems without brutality, and they’re talented and well-trained enough to manage it.

>I actually think that G.I. Joe can do a lot more good in another way, by embracing what has always made the series great, going all the way back to the cartoon series, where people of all genders, races, and ethnicities willingly came together to accomplish a goal.

>>91142452
The Joes have always been diverse, seriously try harder.

>>91142485
That's not thick
That's just fat.
Tumblr fat to be honest

>>91141819
>Europe's zero tolerance

It isn't zero tolerance, but there generally are SOME checks in place, that range from a fee to some tests to basically granting the police the right to come and check if you store your guns and ammo properly anytime.

The right to own guns goes from "not really" to "IDK, just bring in the forms and take this five minute test" to "ONLY people AFRAID OF BOOGEYMEN have a RIGHT TO OWN. Everybody else is to be at the mercy of the bureaucrat that works on the person's papers."

And the Joes are pretty damn patriotic, they're just very suspicious of the state apparatus, which is reasonable enough, seeing how plenty of the serie's writers were former army-men.

>>91142538
Did I say Trump was going to be specifically mentioned? Or did I say politics and cite the writer saying liberal politics that made reference to Trump would be in it?

>>91142538
Wait, no, there is that subplot about Roadblock being torn between his loyalty to his country and his loyalty to the newly-international Joes, but that's an actual character story rather than Marvel-style virtue signalling.
>>91142584
I still don't know what point you think you're making here, buddy. He's saying that he wants to embrace the cartoon's tone and ideals, and that the real world shit going on was a factor in that, but he's not saying that the book is going to be political.

>>91142594
Salvo's now a fat brown woman. How liberal and progressive.

>>91142452
>Gi Joe has fat people now
The writer's keeping up with the developments of the American military.

>>91142656
They don't have an extensive gang culture and neo-nazis joining up to learn how to fight the race war yet, do they?

>>91142616
It's musclefat. >>91141999 That qualifies as thicc.

>>91142627
>he's not saying that the book is going to be political.

YES HE DOES. He purposely tosses out mention about diversity and now Salvo is a fat brown woman. That's like some Marvel tier shit.

>>91142744
>having more characters that aren't white is political
Lmao

>>91139325
fuck off /pol/

>>91142770
There's already tons of non-white characters on GI Joe:

Heavy Duty
Roadblock
Doc and his daughter
Stalker
Shooter
Big Lob
Bulletproof
Tunnel Rat
Jinx
Storm Shadow
Soft Master
Zap

And on and on and on.

>>91141210
Wait, you mean Priest as in the black panther writer? That priest?

>>91142744
So was Firefly being a black guy and Dial Tone being a woman also Marvel tier shit? Because that was all Dixon.

>>91139325
>Marvel-like
Well there's your problem, guvnor.

>>91142625
There aren't any reference to Trump either so far

>>91142627
And I like that because it's believabke that out of all of these US military people there was bound to be someone having patriotism and extreme loyalty to tjeir nation, and it's an interesting subplot. Then there's the fact that Sitterson went for a black character and considering Roadblock comes from a big traditional family in Mississippi it makes sense.

>>91142584
And here's him saying with his own words he's not making it political.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/11/aubrey-sitterson-revolutionizes-the-modern-militar.html

>Honestly, this past week I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about…well, everything, really. Especially how weird and difficult it feels to be promoting a G.I. Joe book in the wake of the 2016 presidential election. For a while, I considered kind of…shifting the focus. Maybe trying to use G.I. Joe to explore the current political landscape? Should there be a nationalist, xenophobic Cobra Commander? I quickly thought better of it though.

>Reason being is that I’ve had enough of it. I’ve had enough of serious, complex, real-world issues being filtered, dumbed down and normalized through genre fiction, and it’s something that’s been done to death with G.I. Joe. Genre fiction can and should be used to explore big issues, but it’s best done at the abstract and thematic level, not at the specific and nitty-gritty. That long thought process actually left me more excited about the crown jewel of the Hasbro Universe than ever, because G.I. Joe, in leaning into what’s best about the concept, it’s going to be the aspirational, hopeful, fun action adventure book that we all need right now. It’s pure, cathartic escapism.

Now fuck off.

>>91142870

Yeah, he's buddies with Hama.

Assuming my shitty memory works.

>>91142653
Yeah and Dial tone was made into a woman a few years back, Doc has a brown daughter with the same name, seriously try harder.

>>91142884
Did I mention Dixon? Or have I been talking about Stitterson's public statements and Hasbro per the article up top discussing changes to GI Joe?

Nobody tell my dude here >>91142977 that Dixon is flat out conservative but still did this stuff.

>>91142245
>jumping at shadows

You're pretty delusional if you're still trying to deny all the bullshit with race and genderswapping and marvel pandering to tumblr over the past couple of years.

>>91143055

I don't deny that.

But this isn't Marvel.

It's IDW.

Wooooow.

>>91142945
A fat brown woman. How about you try harder to defend garbage?

>>91143017
Remember when comics didn't constantly pander to idiots like you?

>>91142927
Thanks anon, I was looking for that one.
>>91142977
But Sitterson's changes that you're labelling "liberal" are exactly the same things that Dixon did, and if you labelled Dixon a "liberal" everyone would rightfully shit on you.

>>91142927
What's the date on the article?

> November 16

Oh!

When was the article that I posted from in which he said politics would play heavily?

>December

Huh, so the article you're citing was a month before, and the one I cited is a month later...

Now fuck off

>>91143089
And given the climate with comics and the words of the guy himself it makes sense to distrust first and if he proves he isn't making garbage then we can enjoy it later.

Well, I think this thread's gone to shit. How about we meet up again next time where we don't have to argue with Jimmy /pol/bait over here?

>>91143089
IDW did Jem for Hasbro

>Literally made everyone fat and lesbian

>Had a tranny write the book.

>>91142624
Frankly, I always thought it was less the firearms legislation and more the firearms CULTURE that causes the difference.
In Europe, most people don't see the POINT of owning a gun and guns aren't seen as a "defence tool" but as a "murder tool".
Except hunting rifles, which, in turn, aren't perceived as supposed to be used on other people.

Italy has quite a strict law for possession and carry of firearms for personal defence.
But the licence for owning and carrying hunting weapons is WAAAAY less strict.

>>91143138
You could always just fucking ignore him and talk about GI Joe. That is an option.

>>91139325
>GI Joe is going full leftist propaganda
Stopped reading right there.
Fucking right-wingers, stop inserting your politics into discussion about every book just because there is even a single back guy and they aren't murdering Muslims in droves.

>>91141999
>hyped for the teased Joes vs Inhumanoids fight.
What are they renaming the Inhumanoids?

>>91143092
How come you didn't complain about Doc being fat or the time they gave beer bellys to some of the Dreadnoks.

TRY HARDER

>>91143122
Several issues have come out and I'm enjoying them now, but nice try.

>>91143138
This, lets just ignore the butthurt autist.

>>91142861

G.I Joe was always diverse, it was actually ahead of its time.

>>91143342
>Jem went full SJW
>Jem is a Hasbro property
>Writer on GI Joe comic says guns are scary and hates them, talks about Trump and diversity then race and gender swaps characters.

Hows is that reading politics into it when it's stated as such and demonstrated in other properties?

>>91143361
Primordians, probably.

>>91143361
Primordia was the name used in Unit:E.
They haven't shown up in-person yet, but
>"a threat both old and new"
>from beneath the Earth
>that GI Joe have never faced before
It's got to be them, right?

>>91143409
This, I'm also enjoying it

>>91143361
I think that depends on their pronouns.

>>91143429
There's a difference. Diverse in this context is the same as when Marvel says it. It's a buzz term.

So what is up with Crystal Ball and what did he do to Rock n' Roll?

I don't mimd Salvo since she hasn't done anything to make me hate or love her and the old Salvo was a literal who.

What I do hate is Barber making Flint a dead beat dad over in Transformers, I rather he had just been Marissa's older brother.

>>91143656
We know from Infestation 2 that he worships the Elder Gods. Maybe it has to do with that.

>>91142181
>She had clearly grown and earned some kind of redemption/trust.


No one "earns" anything in Costa's Cobra. The only thing you get is death. Chuckles, Jinx and Ronin (even Cobra Commander) all deserved better and they all died.

>>91143735
>What I do hate is Barber making Flint a dead beat dad over in Transformers, I rather he had just been Marissa's older brother.

No. Flint being her dad is from the season 3 of the G1 TF Cartoon. Him being a deadbeat is to explain how close they are in age in the comic book. In the original cartoon, season 3 was in the future when all the Joes had retired and Cobra Commander was a busted old man with a throat problem.

>>91143735
It's just Barber's mastery of continuity.
According to Cobra Files, Flint had a hard-drinking college girlfriend who broke up with him, married another guy and had a kid. According to Marissa, her mom is an alcoholic and she didn't know that her stepdad wasn't her real dad until after he died.
HMM.

>>91143822
Everyone Loves Zartan is my favorite sitcom

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There are people who forget about Hasbro and IDW re-inventing Jem and making characters fat and lesbian.

http://www.idwpublishing.com/jem-and-the-holograms-get-a-comic-book-series-that-is-truly-outrageous/

>>91141999
>Gigantic, heaving abominations crawling up from the depths of the Earth itself.
Sounds more like Salvo desu.

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We will never have a new season of Renegades

>>91142167

As good as most of those comics were, there's something very strange about how Costa's dark, gritty, "real-world"-ish GI Joe was the book that introduced the IDW versions of most of the more outlandish Cobras, like Serpentor, Croc Master, Crystal Ball and even Venomous Maximus.

It makes it a shame the new series is going for crazy cartoony action, but can't give us the "proper" versions of those characters.

>>91143735

The GI Joe toys always had enough of a diverse cast that you do have to wonder why writers don't just dig deep enough to use actual existing characters, rather than doing race-changes. It was strange enough when the first movie did this with Ripcord, and Salvo is an even more minor character.

But beyond that, a fat GI Joe is going too far. A best-of-the-best military unit should have strict standards.

>>91141021

Around the time of the second movie, some of the figures came with drone planes and drone tanks.

>>91140597
>liberals approve of child soldiers
Not something I'd expect /pol/ to complain about.

>>91141461
SJWS are wildly hypocritical though, and are almost always privileged white girls from wealthy backgrounds who are actually really racist unless when it might make them look bad. All it takes for them to turn on the people they claim to defend is if one of them questions them. I wouldn't worry about it, leftanon.

Okay.

As long as Cobra is still cool they can do whatever they want with the Joes.

Did anyone storytime the latest IDW Hama ARAH?

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>>91141999
Why are they both squinting?

>>91142744
How does diversity and fat brown women = politics? Diversity is there to reflect that the US is diverse. Sorry you feel triggered by any mention that non-white people exist.

>>91142485
her fat is all in the belly and none in the breast...

I love thicc but this is shit

>>91144340
Oh no they are not all blonde haired, blue eyed beanpoles, eat shit crybaby.

>>91144340
>>91144428
By a mtf no less!!!

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They should bring back Lt. Clay Moore. He was a cool guy.

>>91148734
Dude. Jem is literally about rock stars, glamor, and fashion. It's in the theme song. Until they do a comic based in an ethiopian famine, I can't think of a worse title to make half the cast EXTRA THICC.

>>91143342
you are the ones who put your bullshit in all the media... /pol only complains

>>91144340
>>91144428

this is tumbr fanmade art, r-right?

>>91148969
Hey, fat music stars have been around since the days of Sophie Tucker.

>>91141819
>all societies are the same

why you americans hate yourselves so much? GI Joe was a great concept but now it seems you are ashamed of ourselves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZSswJ5ovi4

no need to bring your tumbr shit outside of your country, seriously, keep that sjw stuff for yourselves and leave the rest of the world free from this shit, we want the original joes with some international joes if you want but thats all

>>91149348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ah2I166f_U
this is the kind of stuff we want!

So...what the holy fuck is a milennial concept of what GI joe supposed to be? Extra flourecent?

It's a strange world where DAEESH and the like are in some ways crazier than fucking Cobra.

>>91149437
Ninjas, commandos, and ninja commandos in jetpacks, with laser rifles repelling paratroopers attacking the statue of liberty.

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>>91149348
It's become a strange world in which we live.

>>91141105
>If you're well trained enough you wont have to kill

Is dis nigga serious?

>>91141819
>zero gun-related deaths says hi
Yeah, they went to knives instead.

>>91141266
>right-wing capitalists
>wholesome family values
Kek

>>91149100
You will cry yourself to sleep when you realize the companies who did this are talking about "updating" GI Joe and making it more "diverse".

>>91144340
>>91144428
The core remaining fans of JEM since forever have been gay dudes and weird scene girls.

For once, I think these pandering changes were a justifiable decision.

fat stormer is a cutie

>>91141999
>>91142452
Justifiable if Samoan.

>>91150151
Unfortunately

>>91139325
>implying GI Joe was ever the good guys
remember the time cobra tried to free us of the international banking cartel and go back to gold standard but the GI joe stopped them

>>91153229
Do we have any cobra commander ron paul memes?

>>91141185

If it ain't Hama, it ain't Joe

>>91141224

They had guys from Istanbul, Samoa, Canada, Russia and the UK

>>91141837
>well to be frank they're proto Tea Party/Trump in rhetoric.

To be frank, you're full of shit

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We can all agree GI Joe Resolute was baller though, right?

>>91142452

How about introducing a chubby brown female Joe as HER OWN CHARACTER and have her work on a basis of her OWN merit? Hell, several characters that started in the comic and cartoons ended up getting their own figures

You can have diversity without being fucking retarded about it. Quit racebending and genderbending

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>>91154112

>>91143370

Who says I didnt?

>>91146084

Just as well. It was pretty bad

>>91149437

this intro was GOAT, it gave Cobra a counter verse to the op song and that animation is just great, that scene where CC falls down after getting punched by Duke with the flames of battle reflecting on his mask was a powerful sight.

>>91149854
>>91149887

Resolute had some of the best animation GI Joe has ever had. Unfortunately they made it a snuff film and had people like Stormshadow and Zartan acting way out of character

>>91139325
Who the fuck cares about GI Joe anymore?
Didn't the movies bomb?

>>91144340
Aren't they going to relaunch them? The writer is leaving.

Just bring classic Jem to the IDWverse pls.

>>91146084
I know and I'm sad
>>91154307
Shit taste famalam
>>91154375
Ellis wrote it, that's why and he said he didn't care much about GI Joe when he wrote it.

And it shows, he even had worst pairing happen.

>>91153825
I like Hama and all but he hasn't been writing Joe that well lately and he's losing steam really badly, the giant robot and the eye thing was retarded.

Also the way he killed Snake Eyes was unforgivable, shitty way for SE to go.

There's absolutely nothing specific in this story. "Modernizing" GI Joe could mean fucking anything. It could mean they all work directly for Trump and spend the entire movie building a wall. There's nothing indicating "leftist propaganda" here.

But /pol/ just isn't happy unless they feel like they're oppressed in every conceivable way, I guess.

>>91149025
>/pol only complains
You got that right, because they sure as hell ain't doing anything to save the white race.

To bad they can't stay in their own board.

>>91156886
>But tumblr just isn't happy unless they feel like they're oppressed in every conceivable way, I guess.

>>91157059
Really made me think.

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SERPENTOR WHEN?

>>91142927
He's absolutely right about genre fiction tackling real world shit being best at the abstract and thematic level most of the time.

>>91143160
jem did become a mess real quick, yeah.

i mean there are certain careers where you gotta look a certain way and rock star is one of them.

>>91154574
That's exactly why they're trying a revamp, they want to amend the situation.

Honestly, the only "millennial approach" that I can see being successful is to riff off video games pretty hard. Maybe even get some game titles out there. Even if the real goal is selling toys, a FPS will probably be a more effective marketing tool than another TV show at this point.

>>91157330
Just give it to Kojima, he can't do Metal Gear anymore and he wouldn't diminish the weirdness and outlandishness of GI Joe.

>>91149348
>>91149437
Heh, nice one Gramps. Where's the attitude? Get with the times, old man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eXTDPX0lAQ

>>91157527
>Kojima's G.I. Joe
Holy shit that would be fucking bonkers.

>>91150431
You mean "the values of 16th-17th century Puritan England", yeah? Because I have a feeling going back to say, the values of the culture that gave us the Code of Hammurabi would not be fun for you (what with the sacred whores and no taboo against homosex).

>>91156934
Same mindset, different politics.

>>91139325
What is Action Force?

>>91158301
Not him, but that's not what I mean when I say family values.

I mean supporting families -- I don't care about nudity, I care about showing situations that teach how families should stick/work together, and how family is important. The Incredibles is a great, very pro-family movie in my mind, for instance, but nothing about it screams 'Puritan England' to me.

Trigger Warning Joe!

Xe'll fight for LGBTQ rights wherever xe's not needed
SJW Joe is there!

SJW Joe
[A real American asshole]
SJW Joe is there!

It's SJW Joe against CIS-hets and "bigots",
fighting to have xir's way!

Xe often gives up, xe's always there
Bitching and whining everywhere!

SJW Joe
[A real American asshole]
SJW Joe is there!

>>91147289
>A best-of-the-best military unit should have strict standards.

They already have non-airforce personel in their ranks.

>>91141999
Thing is, I'm kind of surprised they never did it sooner.

Kinda surprised the Joe spergs are bitching about it when it honestly feels the least forced of these kinds of attempts.

>>91148271
Shitty art

>>91158619
I just think the BleedingCool article is funny because all it says is that Habro is revamping GI Joe without really saying how, and then the writer enters a full-blown panic that Hasbro is maybe going to make the Joes LESS gay.

>>91139325
What's wrong with renegade? They should've continued it.

>tfw you liked the GI Joe movies
Darth Maul is the best Snake Eyes

>>91158791
>blind nig owns giant "good" ninja building
>backstory it was that shapeshifter fault who hasn't aged
The sub plot made me hate myself for buying a ticket

>>91158747
Renegade was too good to continue. We didn't deserve it.

>>91158729
>that Hasbro is maybe going to make the Joes LESS gay.

Now come on, Joes have been about as heterosexual as the X-Men for a long time now.

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>>91139325
Oh god.

>>91142452
Well she looks like she could kick my ass pretty easily so I don't really see a problem with her.
Realistically that's probably how a very strong woman would look anyway.

>>91159632
Limp wrist fags do not deserve to live.

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>>91159632
>Trying not to vomit
Must've been looking in a mirror.

>>91144340

What one of those is fat?

>>91159632
Ohhhhhhhhh, snap!

>>91159632
Wow, how easy to trigger are modern soldiers.

>>91153937

Somebody's triggered.

>>91141021
>I don't really understand why GI Joe would need changing. Cobra has always been a group of corrupt financial elites trying to mess up things for their own gain. That's like, historically a universally applicable concept.
Because if they wanted to truly make G.I. Joe contemporary, it'd be like Renegades & Retaliation write large - the Joes battling to save America from a Cobra puppet president who's declared them enemies of the state.

Reboot GI Joe by making it as Tom Clancy as possible. Hardcore military thriller, mixed with corrupt geopolitical espionage. Cobra is the NWO.

>>91164099
I would watch the shit out of this.

I'm not touching the new G.I. Carl: A Real American Cuckold.

>>91140951
This. Hama is from a different generation tho, most kids nowadays can't comprehend being neither left, right, nor an unopinionated faggit.

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>people whining about NOT MUH
You disappoint him /co/.

>>91157330
>Even if the real goal is selling toys, a FPS will probably be a more effective marketing tool than another TV show at this point.
Seriously, the lack of a good G.I. Joe RTS at any point in the past 20 years is BAFFLING to me.

>>91164388
Shit, I meant FPS, not RTS... I blame hangover.

>>91164388
How can you make a shooter when no one ever actually hits anything?

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>G.I. Joe thread
>Judge Anon is nowhere to be found

>>91142594
It's called melting pot you faggot SJW

>>91139325
>globalism boogeyman

Ivan pls

>>91164471
Probably took a glance at the russki OP

>>91158959
People are complaining that the new comic is implying that Gung-Ho's gay or something, but like... how can you look at his design and think "yes, this man is heterosexual"? He looks like he exclusively listens to the Village People.

>>91139325
>N-No, not the left! REEEEEEEEEEE
Alright? I get that being on the left or having "left-ish views" is currently the uncool thing and everyone's jumping on the right bandwagon instead of having their own opinions but what exactly am I supposed to be hating here? If you don't get triggered by the left buzzword then what exactly is the problem? Are you guys being ironic right now? What exactly am I supposed to be hating? I need something specific to give a shit about not this vauge hate circle jerk trash.

>inb4 I get called a libtard for not being on the far right and not being scared of the left boogieman

"AMERICA FUCK YEAH" doesn't float unless it's a joke.

In Europe, GI Joe was called Action Force and had a superior intro and theme. The GI Joe theme was always dreadful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCaoBYYj3_I

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>>91164867
>The Marines and Navy have always had a "special relationship"

>>91164384
He has a lot of loyalty for a hired gun

>>91139325
>A REAL GLOBALIST HERO
>full leftist propaganda
I remember less than ten years ago there were regular anti-globalisation protests. These were majority attended and organised by socialists who thought globalisation was creating unemployment and poverty in the west and exploiting and oppressing the poor of the third world.

I don't even understand what's happening or what anything means any more.

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>>91142452
>wtf are you looking at?
>yes, i'm Rock n Roll
>yes, i'm wearing leggings, but they're ripped, so that means i'm rugged
>yes, Salvo's gut is hanging over her belt
>yes, she's wearing bandoliers around her legs.. even though she's unarmed
>in fact, we're all unarmed
>no, this isn't a joke
>this is the real GI JOE
>just kill me

>>91165703
>These were majority attended and organised by socialists who thought globalisation was creating unemployment and poverty in the west and exploiting and oppressing the poor of the third world.

Funny, because the retarded argument they use these days is "We need unlimited immigration or the cost of apples will rise $0.01!!!!!"

>>91163846

Which is a weird thing to say is modern, because the comics have always done arcs like that.

>>91164099

This is some dumb shit friendo. While the Joe's are "real" there's a strange and amazing mix of weird things that makes the franchise really fun. Ninja cland, Australian Mad Max bikers, metal headed Scottish arms dealers, etc.

>>91165029
I think we had the original song in Spain if I remember well, I dont know what all this "Action Force" is

>>91140887
>>91140951
This is true. It's patriotic without being jingoistic, pro-military while anti-war.

>>91158501
You didn't say "family values", though. I'm all for family values (with the caveat that single-parent or fag families shouldn't be treated as subhumans because they aren't the "optimal" family). You said "traditional" values, which has a different set of baggage that tends to refer to a mythological ideal world where everyone was a hyper-devout WASP, women stayed at home and were content with having every aspect of their identity subliminated into their husband's, minorities knew their place, gays didn't exist, etc. Not saying that's what you want: just saying that's what most people seem to mean when they say "traditional values".

>>91168158
This, people who want to make GI Joe more realistic don't know what makes it good or have shit opinions.

Not even Hama's GI Joe was 100% realistic.

>>91160984
Then why haven't you offed yourself yet?

>>91164414
No fuck that. FPS doesn't really exlpoit the team aspect enough. RTS or better yet TBS would be ideal.

>tfw no GI Joecom game.

>>91139325
Whoever wrote that article clearly only watched the cartoon, and never read the classic comic book.

>>91164384
The way Hama says it I feel like that's less of a metaphor and more of an anecdote.

>>91169540
Better yet: Jagged Joelliance.

>>91171387
That may have been the situation when he killed Mariko, Wolverine's long-term fiancee.

>>91171633
I wasn't talking about killing a FICTIONAL person.

Hama's seen some shit, man.

>>91154112
Warren Ellis is the best.

>>91159632
Wow, internet tough guys.
>the soldier or George
Yes.
The soldier has the benefit of being a tough guy in real life as well.

>>91154112
No, it was pretty bad.

Pretty, but bad.

>>91141819
Because you guys have hardly any niggers. Though you guys do have high rape and knife crime.

>>91158501
Family values are fine so long as you don't limit them to a single idealized definition of what a family is.

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Hasbro strikes again, inb4 all three get blacked

https://pulse.hasbro.com/en-us/news/..._joe_and_cobra

>They’re three of the many inspiring women who are catalysts for the lasting popularity of G.I. Joe.

In an arena historically dominated by males, the women of GI JOE and COBRA rose to the top of their fields—for good or evil—and dominated. As diverse as they are gifted, three of these women play intricate parts to the operation of respective groups, and neither the JOEs nor COBRA would function as well without them.

>>91171387
>>91171776
He's a Nam vet, and Tunnel Rat is based off of him.

Nuff said.

>>91164099
If you mean Tom Clancy type technothrillers they tried that. It failed hard.

>>91139325
They need to do an 80's style comedy/action movie that in no way takes itself seriously. Might actually be interesting then. Also, millennials don't care and won't care about any form of GI Joe anyway.

>>91157527

I would fucking preorder and day 1 DLC Hideo Kojima's GI Kojoe's.

Bonus points if Snake Eyes sections are literally Metal Gear ripoffs.

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>>91177309
Solid Snake Eyes?

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>>91157527
>>91157948
>>91177309

They already did this, it was called Pursuit of Cobra. They just never did any media connected to it, because it was originally intended to be a continuation of the Rise of Cobra toy line. Aspects of this line later spilled into Renegades in the form of unproduced vehicles and ideas and such, but Hasbro never let Pursuit of Cobra be much of thing.

They had even made Duke into Big Boss

>>91177626
Oh shit, I forgot I had this sweet-ass figure.

>>91177216
Right on something in the vein of... um.. that awesome movie were only right at the end realised one of the main characters was Brad Pitt.. after he pulled off his skull cap? that was funny...

only my rich buddies had G.I. Joes back then (though i made sure that yellow full body track suit reporter women... Jane!... was never parted with her camcorder accessory whern I was 6) some of my fondest memories were blowing them up with firecrackers.

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>>91177626
>>91177673

They also had cool Metal Gears

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>>91177779
They also made Storm Shadow a reference to Ninja Gaiden

>>91177566
With how punished Snake Eyes is, shouldn't he be the designated Cyborg Ninja of the game, though?

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>>91177626
Putting so many eggs into the Retaliation basket fucked GI Joe so hard.
PoC was great.
Renegades was great, but delayed to hell to make room for Retaliation which ended up bumped like 6 months anyways.
And then the Ret itself was pretty good too, once they got past the lower articulation early waves.

But that movies managed to like wreck three different toylines by getting its release date bumped.

>>91179583
Renegades had so much product that wasn't released it's criminal. They gave us Renegades Zartan in the Retaliation line and almost gave use Renegades Roadblock as an another Ultimate Roadblock figure. This figure was to come with three different heads(The Rock's, Renegades Roadblock, and Resolute's head), and he would come with two different web gears that were swappable to make him either The Rock, classic Roadblock, or Renegades Roadblock.

Renegades was abandoned for almost no reason. It got saddled with being on The Hub instead of a major network and then had no product out to support the show. By the time figures arrived it was already too late.

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>>91179852
The prototype for the cancelled Roadblock

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>>91179933
The three swappable heads he was supposed to have.

>>91141029
They want to pander to millennials and focus more of diversity and politics. Identity issues, etc.

>>91141999
>Surprised there's no screeching about Salvo.
They did, a month ago.The comic is dying. Sales are down greatly

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>>91180054
Please guys, don't criticize the changes!

>>91142927
If you want GI Joe to be fun again, go back to the Adventure Team

>>91179852
>>91179933
>>91179984
Goddamnit. I didn't need to know this was a thing I needed to be angry about.

And yeah, not being able to launch the Renegades line concurrent to the show launch was such a waste.

>>91180011
GI Joe was always diverse, buddy.
Hama was jamming women into Ranger certifications years before the army was, and the only race that really seems underrepresented over the course of the line is Latinos.

>>91146084
Renegades was a series done by hardcore fans and it sucked ass. They gave in to all the fan crying and it was horrible

>>91140012
First post best post

>this time with a “millennial approach.”
Are they just buzzmeming? Millennials should have already grown up with GI Joe in the 80s and 90s, it's the next generation they should be targeting.

>>91144340
The pants on the chick on the right look mad uncomfortable.

Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8K08AcVru0

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>>91180244
The Classic Roadblock vest and head was obviously also to make him into Version 2 Roadblock since the 25th anniversary Roadblocks sucked compared to later figures.

>>91175388
Scarlett should only get Snake-Eye'd

>>91177626
Ok they should do it again but fuck Duke, make Hawk Big Boss and have Kojima do it.

Also advertise it.

>>91180054
By Marvel and DC standards or IDW standards?

IDW comics sell like shit especially compared to the big two.

>>91180144
Hisstank will REEEEEEEEEE at anything that's not Hama and even then they are already pissing on Hama.

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>>91181763
Concept art for a vehicle from Pursuit of Cobra

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>>91181763
Concept art of the Duke as Big Boss figure

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>>91142452
>>91141999
this looks awful

>>91144428
This is just unnatutal. Fat girls don't get kisses they give desperate head for a chance at drunken sex later, that's all they deserve.

>>91142342
That is incorrect, Austrailia is very famous for having significantly lower gun violence after they banned their guns.

>>91156934
you realize deflection neither minimizes, excuses, or justifies your own behavior

>>91141819
>implying Europe bans guns.
semi-auto rifles and handguns are legal to own in many european countries.

>>91173654
>hurr durr niggers.
mostly it's social welfare.

>>91140012
>disliking lefty shit automatically makes you /pol/
fuck off yourself

>>91169335
>somebody has a different opinion
WAAAAAAAAAAh
my opinions are facts doncha know

>>91180244
it was always diverse, but it was a natural thing
it wasn't noticed because it wasn't obnoxious, feel the need to fill quotas type of diverse
it was just, these are a bunch of american heroes fighting evil dudes
nothing more, nothing less

>>91182050
CATACHAN

>>91182496
THIS.

There was plenty of race swapping going on and nobody noticed nor gave a shit. Ace went from a white guy in an astronaut suit to looking like Jimmy Smits in a flight suit. No one made an issue out of it. Airborne went from a Native American to being a blonde white guy years later. No one made an issue out of that either. None of this shit mattered back then...AND IT WAS THE REAGAN/BUSH YEARS!!!

>>91182870
>Airborne went from a Native American to being a blonde white guy years later.

They were two completely different people, numbnuts. They had different real names. Only the codename was the same

>>91182870
There's two different Airbornes and Airborne later became known as Air Raid, who also had another Joe who shared the code name, but Airborne later became known as Sgt Airborne so it doesn't matter. All three were different characters though.

http://www.yojoe.com/action/08/sgtairborne3.shtml

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>>91182187
That's a meangless stat, since crime went down worldwide during the mid and late 90s, even in the US.

>WAH WAH MY NEAR-DEATH FRANCHISE IS CONTINUING WHILE BEING PARTLY UNATTRACTIVE TO ME FOR STUPID REASONS
Jesus christ just be glad you still have portions of new content you enjoy

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>>91164867

>>91182870
Are you just realising now the Codenames are not the same people?

Either way, "Diversity" is always a cancer because it means they're intentionally looking to make people "Different" instead of making characters naturally.

>>91184696
i hate to break it to you but humans are naturally diverse

>>91184708
>B-But Diversity

Whever someone aims for Diversity, actual character development suffers. The natural way to design fictional characters doesn't not aim to fill a quota.

>>91141105
WE ARE BACK TO LASERS, YOU GUYS!

>>91139325
What is leftist about the text you just quoted?

>>91139325
There are people who care about this beyond the toys?

>>91157153
That's because you actually have to earn it there, you can't just name drop a few references and act like your job is done. And to do it on that level you actually have to think it out so you might well end up saying something genuinely novel or interesting.

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>>91184767
Lasers? In GI Joe? Dear god, how will the franchise possibly survive!

>>91181623
Yeah, it was certainly a "buy two of that one" kind of figure.
Y'know, if you could have bought it, with modern Joe distro issues.

>>91164867

I can't imagine Gung Ho straight either because of the Fenslerfilm PSA dubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atXIKI2XHj4

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>>91175388
I always liked how Cover Girl used to be a fashion model - but found the life empty, joined the army, learned mechanics and how to drive a tank.

For some reason she never gets the attention of the other G.I. Joe ladies.

Anyway, please repost your link, it didn't post right.

>>91139325
GI Jew

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>>91186130

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>toyline is dead
>new movie never
>no new cartoon
Being a joe fan is suffering

>>91186130

And in the movie they made her a fucking secretary. A dead one too.

>>91187672
Yeah, that pissed me off, not only did they put her to clerical work, they murdered her right off the bat, too.

But the first movie pretty much sucked, aside from the child fights with Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow. The second movie was where it's at.

>>91139325
>globalization
>left wing
Wew

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>>91187923
You've never heard of neo-liberalism, anon?

>>91188018
>neo-liberalism
>left wing
I know Americans have a skewed understanding of the word "liberalism" but economic liberalism is not considered left wing, it's literally the opposite of a planned economy.

>>91188091
Please define your terms, then.

>>91164956
It's not being scared of the left boogieman.
It's just worry that they're gonna make the joes obnoxious diversity pushers.
We all know the Joes have always been diverse and that's fine, but the left would have it done in a very obnoxious manner.
And get off the left-ist bandwagon and think for yourself once.

>>91188646
Can't you just fucking look it up?

>>91182403

>calling everything you don't like "propaganda" makes you /pol/

yes

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What about GI Jew?

>>91188018
those are some shitty soldiers

>>91190186

>but the left would have it done in a very obnoxious manner.

what did he mean by this
no, really, what did he mean by this
do you just mean "oh shit this character is a nigger and another character is a faggot FUCKING LIBERALS TRYING TO FORCE THEIR AGENDA ON ME!"

>>91190235
I did, and they disagree with your statement. That's why I'm asking.

>those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization,[6] while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime.

>>91185864
What's the point of just using lasers alone though?
Ooh, firearms are spooooooooooooooooooooooooky.
Like, what is accomplished by not using bulletthrowers?
Cause there's still gonna be violence, it's still gonna have people killed.
Why wouldn't a military unit use guns as well as lasers?

>>91190340
that's obviously not what I meant
what I meant was that every time that someone has an agenda to push, whatever it is they're trying to push is gonna come off preachy and annoying
I grew up watching the cartoon, it was diverse as fuck, and I didn't notice cause it wasn't preachy about it
i just thought they were all fighting the bad guys cause they were the good guys and it didnt matter who you were cause anybody can fight evil and stuff
libs usually try to shove it down your throat, make a big deal out of the diversity, make sure everybody knows how diverse everything is and press their agenda
like unnessecarily turning people into different races when you can just use characters who were already that race or make a new character that's that race, make it really political

>>91190399
>Like, what is accomplished by not using bulletthrowers?

Being able to actually hurt the Cybertronians, Dire Wraiths, and Inhumanoids they are now fighting.

>>91190516

I used to be just as upset about that stuff until I realized it was turning me into a shitty person. Like, actively making me hate things I knew I enjoyed and getting all schizophrenic about media and shit. Ultimately, it's probably making someone, somewhere super chuffed that there's a Ann important character with their skin colour, and most cases ARENT the example of turning superman black, or Thor a girl, or whatever the like. Most of the time people just wig the fuck out over dumb shit and lose the ability to enjoy anything and it's something most 4channers really should contemplate before,marching off further down the rabbit hole. Ive been there and it fucking sucks.

>>91190364
That's classical liberalism, dummy.

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>>91142452
>Charicature of a SJW's wet dream next to a charicature of Varg Vikernes

I like it.

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>>91190798

>Most of the time people just wig the fuck out over dumb shit and lose the ability to enjoy anything and it's something most 4channers really should contemplate before,marching off further down the rabbit hole. Ive been there and it fucking sucks.

a lot of people are too far gone and will brush off everything opposing them as "sjw". it will eventually come to the point where these people will not be able to enjoy anything because they'll become too paranoid about "the liberal agenda" to enjoy anything.