Do you think he really is outdated today?

Yes, that happens when a character has been around for nearly a century and being passed around from writer to writer like a passed out sorority girl at a frat party
The Superman archetype can still be used but it's time to retire Clark

>>91100549
Yes but it's a good thing. He's a taste of what you should be in a world of people you shouldn't.

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If he could return to his roots as a take-no-bullshit champion of the underprivileged (that is- through a mainstream medium that people will actually pay attention to, like movies), I think he'd still probably be on equal footing with Batman, even Spider-man in terms of general popularity. The "All-American 50's Moralfag Boyscout" Supes that normies are familiar thanks to Christopher Reeves and his predecessors with just doesn't resonate the same way with everyone, especially thanks to writers like Frank Miller who depict him as an Americuck chump in the few entry-level books an average joe might actually read.

While I'd argue that every iteration of his character has their merits, the OG Superman was objectively timeless. He's not outdated, just poorly handled by influential content creators.

the superhero archetype itself is outdated

>>91101127
That was Superman new52 for a time. Cucks got offended because it was political.

>>91100549
No, Snyder did a great job with him, there's a lot of room to explore. The only thing out dated about superman is the fanbase that refuses to. See superman as a character and just want a father figure that can't get hurt. I don't want superman being edgy or flawed as the rest of us, I do want him to doubt himself, to face problems he can't fix with his fist and not only to endure it but rise about it in a way no one can. Superman is there to catch humanity if they fall, but that doesn't mean he isn't afraid of not being abble to catch us. He will, but there's still too many superman stories to call. Outside first flight my favorite dceu moment is when Clark calls him mom, he isn't sad or troubled, he is confused about memories and wants to be comforted by his mother. That's way more interesting than him saving a car or smiling while a building gets destroyed by an earthquake. I had been in natural disasters and the firemen, police and military isn't smiling, they aren't saying nice words, they are helping and trying to do all what they can, people get affected by the distress of others and superman caring about others is in character, just not usually what you choose to focus on. I hope the next Mos director stays in the same path.

no zach i dont

>>91100549
No, but 90s-style edge is just so cringey these days.

>>91100549

Go to bed, Zack

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>>91100603

Best to avoid something like that with DC, especially after seeing what marvel pulls with that sort of idea

>>91100549
Absolutely not, go to bed Mr. Snyder.

I don't think he's outdated but I feel bad for people who do want to try something...different with the character because a lot of people get upset because he's not THEIR version of the character that they're used to seeing.

>>91101127
I agree. I love "Champion of the Downtrodden" Superman and would love to see more of him.
And you can still make him that boyscout people love.

>>91101127
I agree with this and I'm a huge Superfag. The Golden Age Superman is still relevant in today's world, where society and government are slaves to the will of corporations and big business men.

It's a damn shame that that Superman has been forgotten in the public consciousness. DC should really do something to bring him back in the mainstream. Morrison's nu52 AC run was fantastic but it wasn't nearly enough. Like, if nothing else, make a new show or cartoon with that take on Superman but update it to today's world and give it a significant push, or even just a continuous non-canon comic book. Or even give me a new Superman reboot movie with that sort of take in it. Shit, Man of Steel should've been like that.

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>>91101672
Zach Snyder ruined:
Superman
-By making him a moping, gritty, snarly crybaby. Let alone a murderer

Batman
-By making him a murder. There is no justification for Batman to not immediately kill Joker when they meet. Ruins that dynamic.

Lex Luthor
-Jessy Eisenberg, nuf said.

Joker
-Nobody wants the retarded "DAMAGED" Joker. He sucks.

Before moving forward, the next writers need to fix these characters. If you really think that anyone wants to watch this batman kill people for 3 whole movies you are mistaken. Or watch Superman moap around like a fucking teenager going through puberty. Also, Superman's best villain is played by jessy fucking eisenberg. Also, Joker will need to be retconned, maybe they'll make him into the robin joker. So that they can actually bring in the actual not retarded joker. Snyder is the cancer that is what is tanking the DC universe.

>>91103375
Don't turn this thread into an argument about the DCEU, man.

>>91100758
Urrah. That's it exactly.

Supes is a breath of air from a better world. Just like Lewis and Tolkien.

>>91100549
No.

>>91100549
If anything the modern world needs to be reintroduced to Superman.

>>91100549
of course not.

>>91100549
Everything's old fashioned in Current Year.

>>91100549
Truth and Justice are never outdated.

>>91103375
You forgot "Jimmy Olsen".

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>>91100549
This idea that he's outdated seems to only be popular with jaded edgelords online. I work with kids and a lot of them still like Superman.

But I would also say that if he was considered outdated, that he would be more important than ever. Superman's values should never be out of style.

>>91100549
nah, he is timeless

>>91100549
Nah. Snyder will make people love Superman again in JL.

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>>91100549
yes he absolutely is outdated.

>>91100758
see pic

>>91103420
>like lewis and tolkein
superman doesn't even hold a candle to tolkien. lewis best writing was the screwtape letters.

>>91104583
superman. is. shit.

>>91104632
>jaded edgelords
oh right, what was that thing again where superman fought mandrakk but with a "superman universe"? if anything a "superman universe" is edgy. you should be ashamed of yourself.

>i work with kids
yeah, you work with people who have no refined tastes in a culture that's saturated with superman, batman and dc characters. they don't know any better. if there are kids that like jesus, they don't like jesus because they found jesus on their own, it's because their parents fucking told them to love jesus to children who don't know any better

>superman's values
and what are those values? always trust the cops? yeah that's not gonna fly when cops get away with murder. is it the american way? what's the american way? invading other countries? bailouts? screw the little guy?

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>>91104734
Damn son calm down

>>91102982
>champion of the downtrodden

so a socialist?

>boyscout that people love

atheist eagle scout here. superman is a complete oversimplification of morality and the united states is a violent empire that steals from other poor nations. needless to say "everyone" isn't going to love a boy scout, boy scouts don't always get along with each other.

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>>91104674

>>91104042
>truth and justice are never outdated

yeah but through the lens of a superhero who doesn't have to tackle the issue of breaking the law to be true and just is certainly outdated.

>>91104788
>yeah but through the lens of a superhero who doesn't have to tackle the issue of breaking the law to be true and just is certainly outdated
I'm gonna guess you're the last civil war fan on /co/

>>91104854
you'd be wrong. i didn't like civil war. by the way, captain america pusses out so the side that was breaking the law lost, so ultimately it was an authoritarian story as well. on top of it being intellectually dishonest because it never addressed mutants, who have the same problem only they're born that way, not because they chose to be a cape

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>>91100549

Superman has been around for so long that handling him storywise has gotten complicated. For most he is a pop culture figure which means you need to know him, his symbol and a vague description of what he stands for but that doesn't mean you are particulary interested in him or even any media related to him, which is the same for other DC characters like Wonder Woman or Aquaman(for the worst).

He has a diehard fanbase which has a clear definition of how he should be and claim that he is inspirational and for some this may be true, I mean you can find inspiration into anything but most are no different than any other diehard fanbase who scream NOT MUH by any other iteration/interpretation of the character. They are not really inspired by the character either, which is the most obvious here, anons have grown up with superman yet they are still here shitposting day in day out, which means superman didn't inspire them to anything and it would be all the same for kids today. It is the same with a lot of other characters and media which has a fanbase but superman has gained fame due to several adaptations and merchandising.
The worst part is, given the nerd culture from today, everyone claims to be an expert on the character and use the version they grow up with as basis, like the Donner movie, DCAU superman or even Smallville and they act as shallow as the hardcore fanbase.

I'd say Disney could handle superman in a way that would satisfy most people like they've done with many other IPs but then superman wouldn't be anything special, it'd be like any other disney movie with a good message where you feel good while watching it but forget about it a few months later, the disney adaption would only keep the pop culture figure alive for quite a bit longer.

There are some things about Superman that are't outdated which are his name, his symbol and some vague idea of what he is about.

>>91105060
I just wanted to say that this is probably the best comment the best comment about this subject that I've read and thank you for not mudslinging.

>>91105060
>some things about superman that aren't outdated which are his name, his symbol and some vague idea of what he is about

so he's a walking advertisement. i guess it would make sense to say that and conclude he'll be outdated when people stop relying on capitalism as an economic system since it also is outdated. the economic principles of capitalism are centuries old.

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>>91104734
This entire post is like every single reason why we need a Superman condensed into a couple of sentences.

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>>91105089

>>91105060
Disney's Hercules was a great Superman film.

>>91100549
No, but DC has always been shitty in handling Superman
>DC keeps putting outdated writers on him.
>All Star Superman's influence on him and the genre is underratd. Writers and readers take the wrong lesson from All Star Superman like how they did with Watchmen and DKR.
>Superman has had more retcons and origin changes than Wonder Woman, at this point.

>>91100549
With all the shit going on in the world, it's only a matter of time before a wholesome beacon of hope is seen as unique and subversive.

>>91105232
That already happened in the 90's anon.

>>91105089
>so he's a walking advertisement.

Superman is the result of common practices in the comic industry, which is at best changing the status quo as little as possible.

>Current superman books are at a high for both quality and attention
>THE CHARACTER IS OUTDATED HE NEEDS TO GO!

ITT lots of out of touch people

>>91105261
>Current superman books are at a high for both quality
Hahahahaha.
Tomasi and Jurgens are the peak for Rebirthfags.

What's so funny about truth, justice and the american way?

>>91105193
>more origin changes than Wonder Woman
Is that even possible

Yes he is, the obnoxious fanbase needs to understand that.
There are more stories to tell instead of campy outdated shit no one want anymore.

>>91100549

>Do you think he really is outdated today?

Not really. The biggest problem that lots of people have with "getting" Superman - Snyder included - is that he is supposed to be sincere.

Remember how, in the first Christopher Reeve "Superman" film, there was the montage of him doing all those things to help people - getting the cat out of the tree, helping that airplane stay in the air - and stopping those crimes? That is the Superman people always think of when they think of him as a character. They think of "the ultimate Boy Scout".

The problem lies in how society and entertainment has changed since that film's release. We fawn over antiheroes such as The Punisher and Walter White. We love to root for the bad guy now. And we have become a less civil and united society, driven apart by any number of reasons. A character like Superman just does not fit in with modern society and pop culture because he is a sincere attempt to be a "role model" and an inspiration, and hardly anyone buys into that sincerity any more.

If Superman is outdated, it is only because we let him become outdated. We let him become more of a joke than an icon. We cheer for Batman taking lives in "Batman v Superman" just because it looks "cool", but when is the last time you cheered for Superman because he saved a life?

>>91105298
>The Rebirth Superman books SUCK I swear!

Just about everyone disagrees with you.

>>91105409
More people would agree that Jurgens can't write anything interesting.

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>Outdated
>Consistently selling in top ten if not five singles

...Why do people keep saying there's a problem with Superman when he's making money?

Like, why don't we get an "are the X-men outdated" thread or a "is Spider-Man outdated" thread?

Why try and fix something that isn't broken?

>>91105655

If anything is outdated, it is the entire concept of superheroes.

>>91105687
>Making money hand over fist
>Outdated

>Symbols of hope in a world of growing anxiety and uncertainty
>Symbols of individualization in a world where social media forces you to toe the line or get the hook.

Holy shit I hope someone never trusts you with large amounts of money. We're in the middle of cape season.

>>91105655

>being the best in niche market only sustained by hardcore fans

>>91105711
>Niche market

Still a bigger market than so say manga or anime or warhammer or trading cards.

You're moving goalposts. "Oh, well they aren't THAT big of a market".

>>91105732

Comics are a niche market, though.

>>91105749
Pushing goalposts

>>91105749
Well yeah, I'm not debating that. But it's still a viable market and Superman is still near the top of that market.

We aren't talking about the auto industry here.

There's no good reason for saying Superman is outdated though.

>>91105761

How? Comics absolutely are a niche market and acting like they are some massive American cultural force is stupid. Movies made superheroes far more popular in modern pop culture than any single comic ever will.

Well we had a semi interesting thread about the various ways Superman is perceived and if and how he's relevant but it looks like Super Autist has arrived with his usual Superman is the greatest ever of all time for all cultures and muh sales
Start wearing a trip so people can filter you

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>>91105261

>>91105777
You want to filter >>91105781 and >>91105761
as well?

Just what is your problem?

"Superman is outdated".

"No he's not his stories sell."

"Oh but his MOVIES don't sell. That means he's outdated."

I'm having a hard time following.

>>91100549

As an illegal immigrant he's never been more relevant than he is today. Its Batman and his gallery of old timey mob bosses and film noir hometown that feels firmly rooted in another era.

>>91105777
>Ever for all time and all culture and muh sales

Oh man, you're the weeb from the One-Punch Man thread that got BTFO because you said soldiers during WW2 didn't read comics and people started posting a shit ton of them, aren't you?

One-Punch man is a meme. Tiger and Bunny will forever be the superior weeb cape show. Even MHA is better.

>>91100549
his job is outdated

>>91105799
>Humanoid god that fully assimilates into his host society

>Comparable to migrants

Anon that's like comparing Dr. Fate to college lesbian wiccans.

>>91105813
Actually I'd kill for someone to do a book that focuses more on Superman and the Daily Planet especially when fake news and journalistic spin and "what is truth" and the death of traditional media are hot ideas right now.

>>91100549
No. I do think he shouldn't be made the protagonist of his own book, unless the writer has a really good idea for a run. There's really no reason to have him still just doing a villain of the week thing. Right now he should be a reoccurring side character in other DC books, who's presence is always felt but only occasionally shows up in person, but when he does it's a big deal.

>>91105789
>I'm having a hard time following
Because you're autistic and lock in on one thing to repeat over and over like it matters when people were actually discussing what the character fundamentally is and how it relates to the modern and how being run through so many different writers twists and distorts the characters original meaning
But all that goes right over your head because you are autistic about Superman and can't fathom anyone thinking differently than you, why do you even come to a place where people have so many different ideas and ways of thinking, fuck off super autist, no one wants you here and you actively destroy conversations

>>91105809
Who was even talking about anime, any time that Superman is brought up you show up to spread your cancer and are easy to spot because of your typing style and behavior, which includes samefagging yourself and making multiple replies to one post, fuck off

>>91105834
>Distorts the characters original meaning

You're acting like you can't have several different interpretations of Superman, that the moment Siegel and Shuster stepped off Action Comics the magic was lost.

Why is it bad that Superman is written differently by different writers?

What is your point? What are you arguing for?

I'm asking because I really don't follow. You want Superman to roll back all the way to his Golden Age personality? Is that what you want?

>>91105852
>Any time Superman is brought up

Naw, I'm just from the One-Punch Man thread.

If other people are giving you shit about your opinions in other threads that's on you.

>>91105888
>Why is it bad that Superman is written differently by different writers?
No one said that you fucking moron, what they were doing was talking about how that influences the characters perception and how that affects him remaining relevant to modern sensibilities
You're so fucking autistic that you don't even understand the conversation, you just see Superman and need to sperg out about how he's the best ever and derail threads til everyone agrees and when called on it you pretend you don't and it's the other person's problem
Fuck off or wear a trip to be filtered, no one wants you

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>>91104766
>> Josef Stalin, Leon Trotsky, Mao Tse-tung, Enver Hoxha and Pol Pot were champions of the downtrodden
>> Kim Jong-Un is a champion of the downtrodden

>>91105980
Well he was a giant socialist in the Golden Age. He destroyed ghettos by hand and forced the government to build them back better. He forced war profiteers to enlist. He forced mine owners to spend a day trapped in a mine to understand first hand what their employees face from unsafe working conditions.

He was a big violent socialist and people that want to dip from the Golden Age well have to deal with that in whatever way they see best.

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>>91104734
>refined tastes in a culture
>writes angry rants on 4chan

I'd like to see more Superman material in the vein of Fallout or Tomorrowland. Retro-futurisitc, old fashioned but also space-age.

Basically, the exact kind of aesthetic and vibe as the original comics.

>>91100549

NOPE

>>91106521
>Retro-future Superman

Hmmmm....that DOES sound interesting actually.

I mean BTAS did a retro thing and it worked out really well for them.

Tell me more about this idea.

>>91105828

>Superman not an immigrant allegory

So you don't read comics huh? They make it completely explicit. It's not even an underlying theme, it's the platform Luther frequently attacks him with and the reason Tommy Monoghan likes him.

>>91106521
>>91106905
I thought the animated series already sorta did that?

>>91100549
Everything DC is outdated

no one cares about perfect people pretending to have flaws it's why their comics and movies are shit and everything HAS to revolve around Batman aka THE ONLY ACTUAL HUMAN

fuck DC

>>91100549
No. We need him now more than ever to inspire us to be better than the terrible people we already are.

Even if how he has been presented recently is up for debate, it is the ideals he was created under that we should aspire to.

Its easy to think that we can't be Superman becuase we're not bulletproof. But thats not the point. With all that power, he chooses to do what is good and just.

If you have the means and strength to do what is good and just, do it.

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>>91107043
You can't get upvotes here buddy, nor will your post be reblogged.

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>>91103375
Or maybe, just maybe you should read some comics.

>>91107043
What are you trying to accomplish here?

Not a single literate person will ever agree with you, anon. You are clearly beyond the spectrum.

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>>91100549

I've been reading comics for over twenty years, and I didn't really care for Superman until Batman v Superman and Superman's second "death" at the end of New 52 and Superman's "return" in Rebirth.

The fact that Superman will sacrifice his life for you, but won't even let his own death stop him from saving you again is what finally taught me "what" Superman was and why he matters.

Superman isn't a hero; he's a Superhero. He isn't a man, he's a Super-Man.

He is the ultimate figure of optimism, who even death can't keep down.

>>91100549
I think people are done believing big powerful things are good and that's not Superman's fault it's just the times
There is America were saying America is shit became a meme
But also there is everything else, like Google or apple. They are both shit or Hollywood is shit or the computer parts manufacturer that sold you your computer
The whole illusion of look how fun it looks to work at Google died, we don't have any fun or cool CEOs either
Even Disney Wich everyone loved is wearing down fast on people

>>91107043
At least DC has humans all marvel has are niggers and gooks

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>>91107353
>I didn't really care for Superman until Batman v Superman

>>91100549
We need him today more than ever m8.

>>91107353
I mean that is a bit of a simplification, but who cares. Welcome to the Sun, anon

>>91104734
>children need a refined taste otherwise they cant like something thats made for children

wew lad

>>91104674
>see pic
The difference between Black and Superman is that Black revels in the fact that authority can be just as bad as him, whereas Supes sees that as a bad thing that needs to be changed.

>>91106955
>Equating good productive immigrants that assimilate with migrants

This is why Trump is getting 8 years.

>>91106987
Sort of. But I mean taking it in a more extreme way. Metropolis becomes a city of tomorrow with robots and rockets and moving sidewalks. Metallo and Parasite are science projects gone wrong. STAR labs merges with the DNA project and those guys from All-Star Superman and becomes a federation of scientists, think Asimov's Foundation. Those orange faceless guys from OMAC protect the world and OMAC exists as an ally of Superman. Lex is in full on mad scientist mode like Rotwang from Metropolis.

Take the common complaint "why doesn't Superman change the world" and answer with a big loud YES.

>>91107043
>DC books still edge out Marvel even when you drop Batman books

>Marvel's best book is Star Wars

What did anon mean by this?

>>91107353
Interesting. Can't say I agree with you on all points but interesting.

What did you think about the Death of Superman arc?

What did you think about For the Man who Has Everything? I always found it touching how Superman wills himself to reject everything that could make him happy, everything that he wanted, essentially killing Krypton again inside himself.

Alan Moore's Superman was always the loneliest Superman.

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>>91105710
>where social media forces you to toe the line or get the hook.

You're saying this about character who have devolved into literal SJW mouthpieces who jump on every and any clicktivist hashtag to squeeze a few more pennies out of their properties

>>91103375
Not muh faggots need to die, Lex is the most faithful Lex we had ever had, turning. Him into the modern villian is the same Byrne did. And the point of that post was clearly that you don't need to do anything to make him more modern, you can explore the very same character in new ways, BVS is the first time we see Clark as a reporter on the big screen.

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>>91107976
>BvS is the first time we see Clark as a reporter on the big screen

>>91104884
>>91100549
>>>91100549
>
>>Do you think he really is outdated today?
>
>Not really. The biggest problem that lots of people have with "getting" Superman - Snyder included - is that he is supposed to be sincere. We cheer for Batman taking lives in "Batman v Superman" just because it looks "cool", but when is the last time you cheered for Superman because he saved a life?


When he was saving the world on BvS. Normies complaints were that the movie didn't had enough superman, not that they didn't like cavill.

>>91107353
This was the reaction of more than a few people, my cousin went to the movie dress as batman, he dressed as superman in Halloween. I think that the death of Arthur was a great idea to use, when superman impaled himself even more just to be sure doomsday would stop it had to be a little shocking for people not familiar with how much of a good guy superman is

>>91108032
It's sad, but I think that in the 70s there was a lot of reporter movies and journalism was too tied to Political scandals and stuff like zodiac. Lois was doing the serious reporting in most movies.

>>91100549
>he really is outdated today?
He isn't outdated.

He's just fucking boring. There's only so many stories you can right about an invincible god-being before the well is fucking dry and that shit ran out 20 years ago.

>>91108176
But current Superman is better than the Superman we had 20 years ago...

>>91103375
It's like you've never read a comic or seen any films.

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>>91100549
If anything it's superheroes that are outdated, superman being the most outdated of them all

>>91108176
Read a comic, this comment shows youve never read any superman

>>91100603
>>91102870

I really dont want to see a gay phillipino tranny as the new supers

>>91108176
How do I know you're a Memepool fan?

>>91108581
>>91107082
Fuck off shills.

>>91108759
nice retort you fucking casual

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>>91100549
yes and no, but who cares what the yes people think, 70% of them dont even read superman and 10% have pretty piss poor.understandings of narrative (im basing this off some examples from some weeb lamo at work)

Superman is cool and a model to look up too, hes not just a fictional super-hero hes a american icon

heck not even american, a world icon for THE hero

>>91105060
nah

>>91108785
100% this

if anyone says hes outdated or boring then all comics must be outdated and boring and they arnt, people hear jokes and memes and take it as serious critic and fact when it really just shows that they have never read a comic or even care to learn the history of comics

>>91100549
its a sad day when people say they relate and understand the punisher more then they do superman

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>>91105122

>>91108826
I agree on the icon thing, but he's boring to read. A great role model, poor character for interesting stories. Might be because of it's longevity and all the great stories have already been told... Who knows.

>>91100549

The world is too cynical for Superman. Snyder proved it.

>>91100549
>White
>Supports his own cultural norms over others

Yeah.

>>91108936
i think a lot of writers are afraid to try new shit with him or introduce new villains or bigger events, even if they go back and do one off arcs of his childhood, teen years, young adulthood, maybe drop some seeds for new villains along the way, one thing i always disliked about superman throughout the years is that once he defeats someone, they are gone and no longer around like batmans gallery is so the times of peace and leading up to another encounter seem long and dragged out.he needs some sort of vegeta character to be his foil first as an enemy and then as a friendly rival but on his level and in his books like maybe bring superboy prime back and age him up a bit and just call him prime, i dont know really, i just feel like superman is missign something storywise that could change the "boring" bits

>>91108865
Only eadgelords say that though.

These same guys can relate to Ghost Rider and Spawn too.

>>91108936
Boring to read is Iron Man.

Superman does fine since Infinity Crises.

>>91109041
most people are edgelords even if they try to say their not, especially in fictional shit, they work 9-5, live in a basement, watch anime, have social anxiety and think under the right circumstances they could be deadpool or punisher

>>91100549
He is needed now more than ever.

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>>91104734
Anon, pleas stop. You are making yourself look like a retard.

>>91101127
They had a great scene like this in the Lois & Clark TV show, Superman got pissed off at Lex Luthor testing him, so he fires a gun right in his face and catches the bullet.

The writers for that show really did get the character.

Yea very very outdated, if only to trigger superman autists on /co/

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>>91100549
Superman's biggest problem is the same problem that a lot of these current "Insert minority into white male's identity" characters have...writers treat him too much like a SOCKPUPPET, using him to parrot the views of what the writer thinks that the ALL-AMERICAN AMERICAN is supposed to have, just like the gender/race-swapped heroes parrot whatever identity political opinion the current writers have.

I remember a time when Supes would joke around once in a while, playing practical jokes on various supporting characters. Let him LIGHTEN UP for once.

His lack of humor really cripples him. It makes him look flat compared to Batman's justified angst.

Yes, but only because neoliberalism won.

>>91100549
it makes him timeless in a sort of myth tipe of way
overall i think its a good thing.

He is completely timeless, no matter what the ignorant and downtrodden in this thread say.

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>>91101127

I like the idea of Superman still being this, and the reason why it could work is because he NEEDS to still be this. Not as a burden ala Synder crybaby shit, but he needs to be the sole shining star of heroism in that world. Cause look at everyone else in the DC universe? If he doesn't, who will?

I don't know why people think Superman is outdated when we still have Captain America. Both characters do their gimmick and purpose expertly and are a good contrast with our modern age.

>>91109451
shitposting for the sake of shitposting just makes you retarded, no funny or edgy

>>91100549
No. If you do you're a casual who should fuck off

>>91104632
Superman is only outdated to limp-wristed snyderlards who didn't grow up with the character.

>>91100549
It really is how the story is focused on his character. I really think that the scene in All Star Superman where he stops the goth girl from jumping explains everything. Supes is a guy that can do everything, but the fact that he takes time out of his day to help out normal people and help them is really powerful. Aside from Spiderman, no other hero is really known for doing that.

People say that he is outdated, but they always come back to him.

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>>91109843
Cap isn't as good as superman and has never been on the same League, Steve is the boyscout by contrast with his shitty universe.

>>91109724
Don't use big words, /co/ doesn't know what neoliberalism is, last week I saw some idiots mocking a euro guy for saying Reagan was a neoliberal.

>Be generic epic hero
>Only thing that's new was wearing his underpants on the outside
>People today still defend him like some sort of patron deity

Superman was a mistake. Should've just jumped straight to spiderman or batman.

>>91107776
>>91106955
Superman is an allegory for the Jewish immigrant. Back then, Jews tried to hide their semitic heritage by changing their names, straighten their hair or even dyed it and in general pretending to be a WASP. It was the so-called jewish assimilation. /pol/ hero Hitler rant about these guys, how they were rats hidden among respectable German people.

Anyway, Superman as the allegory of all the immigrants doesn't really work for the same reason niggers resent jews back on the 30s, jews could hide their minority status while nigger couldn't, just like Superman can pretend to be white trash from Kansas while Mexicans will always be Mexicans

>>91111306
No you absolute idiot, superman story is the same story as Italians, Irish, germans, poles, etc they all had to change their names and lived in this new world. I hate when Jewish revisionism tries to change that shit, I really hate how this board lets a jidf like you openly shill.

The creators of superman were not zionist. Fuck you.

>>91111503
Who is talking about zionism? Leave that shit to /pol/, just saying jewish authors probably write about their jewish experience and jewish assimilation was a thing during the time.

>>91111153
>He likes Spider-Man

Oh jesus anon I'm so sorry. It's got to be hard with Slott in charge.

>>91111576
>just saying jewish authors probably write about their jewish experience and jewish assimilation was a thing during the time.

You are implying that for them their jew blood and identity was more important than their experiences or living among immigrants from europe.

You are the one claiming their are ZIONIST for saying they wrote Superman as a jewish immigrant instead of just an immigrant. If you believe only jews had to assimilate you are ignorant.

>Talk about Superman devolves into muh niggers muh jews
Really gets you thinking

>>91112177
AND bendis eager to get his greasy hands on Peter so he can kill and replace him with a shitty OC

Or maybe just write him, which would be awful enough.

>>91105799
You have to go back

>>91104734
>if there are kids that like jesus, they don't like jesus because they found jesus on their own, it's because their parents fucking told them to love jesus to children who don't know any better
*tips*

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Superman as a superhero is everything wrong with the genre as a whole.

The only time he's any good is when he goes evil for whatever reason. It's the only time there's interesting conflict.

Otherwise he's just perfectly good and perfectly invulnerable so you have to have constant total asspulls to have there be any stakes.

Solves every damn thing with his fists rather than ever using intelligence or diplomacy, which are far better heroic virtues than raw power.

Dies and comes back to life all the damn time. It's absurd.

Scion was a better use of the archetype.

>>91113691
I dont think you've ever read a superman comic book.

I'd recomend all star superman by Grant Morrison.

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>>91113691
>Only time he's any good is when he goes evil for whatever reason

>Perfectly invulnerable so you have to constant (sp) total asspulls to have there be any stakes

>Solves every damn thing with his fists rather than ever using intelligence or diplomacy

>He likes Worm

He's a boring bland white bread character who is motivated mostly to only move his ass by the annoying damsel Lois Lane or pining for her or going crazy. His supporting cast is bland. Yes he is outdated. Or needs to grow a pair. His best stories are Elseworlds when he is placed in the less than boring bland situations like Red Son and Kingdom Come.

>>91112346
Jews had to assimilate everywhere. Not only the immigrants but the jews living for generations in one nation. They were too hated, they knew it and they tried to do something about it. It wasn't enough for the nazis though

>>91114037
ESL?

>>91114037
>His best stories are Elseworlds

to be fair thats true of just about every A-lister, continuity just makes it harder for writers to tell the best story they can.

>>91114143
Best Superman was Alan Moore's Supreme prove me wrong.

>>91114109
>Jews had to assimilate everywhere.

They didnt assimilate, tha's the point. You don't get kicked out of countries if you are not the problem.

>>91114143
Batman doesnt has that problem.

>>91114484
Batman had Legends of the dark Knight, probably the best ongoing any a lister ever had, it was just a bunch of graphic novels. It just wasn't fair.

>>91114484
Jews tried to assimilate at the early 20th century, ergo jewish assimilation. Your hero Hitler got even more triggered