So, what's the explanation for Jack being owned in the second

Second episode he was on the brink of suicide and caught by surprise.
Third episode he got his balls back and had a home-field advantage.

The Daughters are not as good at combat as Jack. They are still mentally children and have little understanding of anything other than what little they were taught in their cave. They got lucky the first time.

In the first fight they ambushed him.

In the second fight he ambushed them.

Being prepared makes a big difference.

He didn't get owned, he just lost his weapons. And this was while he had no idea of their numbers or capabilites, and was the result of an ambush. He only got hurt after finding out they were human.

And he spent a couple of days at least recuperating in that cave, so I doubt he was still that badly wounded.

>>91061570
>He only got hurt after finding out they were human.
No, he was stabbed just before slitting the one's throat.

Jack gets stronger the more naked he is

Ambushes are very successful strategies

>>91061485
>Was knowing they were just humans really making a difference, like when he thought they were robots, he thought getting close to them was too risky and they would still be able to fight if they were robots and he did what he did to them?
Anyone remember that scene in one of the first ep of Ninja Turtle where they are reluctant to fight the foot Soldiers up until they learn they are robots? Anyone feeling doing the oppiste here?

the only weird thing about it was how they somehow lost 70% of their speed after that initial ambush

How embarrassing it is having these girl be raised from birth to be trained as assassins for a singular purpose only to have all of them get outright rekt within 5 minutes?

>>91061704
that's the kind of inconsistency that's rife in even the most critically acclaimed chinese cartoons though, so whatever

Because the girls ambushed him and nothing more, not even numbers really mattered anymore once episode 3 came out

They show just how ill-prepared and child-like they still are by showing them watching a deer and a buck interact lovingly and then the girls wonder what they're doing or what kinda of Aku minion it is.
All they know is killing and fighting and jack and aku and they aren't even really good at that

>>91061485
He accepted who he was. The mantra his father said and that he repeated to the girls (who naturally didn't understand the meaning).

>>91061704
Actually they were only faster in comparison. It was Jack who was slower because of the heavy armor he was wearing and the helmet imiting his field of sight.

They only looked faster form Jack's point of view.

>>91061704
This.

But also, I get that they were up against a guy with 60~ years of experience, but it seemed a bit cheap that their training shows them dodging arrows yet they easily got hit by anything Jack threw.

>>91061747
It's better and more fun to be inconsistent by having Jack suddenly be just as faster rather than having the enemy suddenly be shit.

>>91061485
It's exact same formula every time though?
>Jack is near completely shrekked
>gets naked
>gathers his resolve
>utterly dominates the second round

Plus an unknown enemy ambushed him the first time and he reverse-ambushed a known enemy the second go
What's so confusing about this?

>>91061704
Turns out swimming in frigid whitewater rivers for a whole day is exhausting

>>91061485
Resolve

>>91061559
I was thinking while I was watching that Jack would've picked up on the daughter's response to the deer, resulting in him using bones and shadow puppetry in the cave to trick them into thinking he is Aku and that the samurai is already long gone, Would've put a nice contrast from fighting 'nuts and bolts' with steel and strength and human beings with cunning.

I loved the episode how it played out but I still would've enjoyed seeing Jack's Aku impression.

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I'm not the only one who got turned-on by Ashi's autistic rant am I?

that Tara Strong voice....

>>91061844
The only man who understands the show

>>91061485
It may be difficult at first but Jack finds a way. He always does.

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>>91061780
Acktually any good set of armor really isn't that heavy at all.

>>91061912
Nah her delivery was shit.

She wasn't screaming loud enough.

>>91061912
the desperate rant of an untalented hack past her prime. Delicious

>>91062002
With more reverb since they were surrounded by mountains, and to symbolize the emptiness of her anger

>>91061755
>and they aren't even really good at that

Nigga, comparing Jack's power level to talk about others isn't fair. Remember that Da Samurai was "strong" and show to actually be able to trash his enemies....and still never was close to a challenge for Jack? Remember some planet wide famous bounty hunters losing in seconds? Jack makes elite enemies look like moo>>91061778
ks.

>>91061485
In the first fight he was experiencing mental instability and was ambushed by all the sisters
In the next episode he got in the first hit taking out a sister from the start. So he started the fight with two less sisters. Also getting them on the log so he could 1v1 them helped.

>>91061485
Ambush, darkness, element of surprise.

The very moment they let that first kill slide and Jack realized they're human, they were dead. You pretty much don't get second chances with jack. They were relentless enough, they should have pushed their advantage in the temple as much as they could.

Jack got used to their speed and moves
He's an expert fighter.

>>91061815
It's like Rambo shirt off until the fourth movie.

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>>91062088
Jack is strong in the snow where its blindingly white. The sisters triumph in the darkness of the temple.
K I N O
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>>91062088
>darkness
You mean whiteness.

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>>91061912
>>91061912
How many times is she gonna hang off a cliff and scream autistically

>>91061912
>>91062002
>>91062010
Yeah no question it's a shit delivery but it does unintentionally sound like a really good hate-fuck porno by audio alone.

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>>91062156
It's not like he's weak against darkness or anything

>>91061982
I bet that cartwheel would be easier if he was naked.

>>91061664
This has been proven time and again.

>>91062156
Jack learned contrast.

>>91062299
Taking a spear to the gut would be easier too.

In the second episode he was reluctant about killing them.
In the third he accepted that he had to do it.

>>91062379
>In the second episode he was reluctant about killing them
he didn't know they were humans till the very end

it's just a simple combination of ambush + mental weariness

Jack is a samurai.
He is strongest when in a kimono and doing samurai stuff.
Samurai armor is a good second bet, but guns and bike is an enormous debuff.

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>>91061485
HE REMEMBERED HIS PURPOSE

>>91062450
>in a kimono
No, Jack is strongest when he's naked.

>>91062299
the general rule is that armour doesnt hamper your abilities much, it just wreaks havoc on your stamina.

at least, for western style armour.

>Sisters were down 1
>Used the fog/snow to hide and ambush them with the spears
>Took advantage of the crow distracting them
>Used the tree behind him to get their weapons stuck when trying to stab him to stop them for a moment
>Singled out the one with the blunt weapon so he could grab it
>Used the log so they will have to fight him one on one with no chance of being attacked from behind or the side
>They're wearing pure black so they stick out among the snow covered environment so he can know where they are

>>91061485
Was wondering the same exact thing. I mean, I fine, I can accept the lazy cop out of "jack is just that skilled" bullshit as per every other episode of this series but how in the hell did he go from almost dead to fully healed in such a short amount of time? Or was it supposed to be implied that they were searching for way long then a few days?

>>91061912
Let her go already..

>>91062525
Seemed like a couple of days.

>>91062344
Not with a superior DEX build

>>91061485
Jack is stronger when he isnt wearing clothes.

Jack went full Rambo on their asses.

If you watch it again, they do their best to make it somewhat reasonable.

First off he picks off two right off the bat. Instead of 1 v 7 it's 1 v 4.

The first he stabs through the chest in a sneak attack from beneath the snow. He's a couple of feet away from her undetected.

He hides immediately, gets another spear and Chuck's it in another surprise attack, and the first sister dodges, but the one immediately behind her takes it.

He scripted that portion of the fight and executed perfectly.

1 v 4, not 1 v 7

The last portion he kills 3 of them 1 v 1 on the log. So the first he kills and the last three he kills (or defeats) he beats 1 v 1. The 2nd he kills is an almost unavoidable ambush.

The 3rd and 4th he kills are the ones you might take issue with. Killed by a chucked spear and killed in a 1 v 4 situation. However, they moderate this by providing the explanation that the third was taken by surprise because the chucked spear was in a straight line, and the sister in front blocked her view and dodged. A little weak maybe, but it is at least an attempt.

The fourth he got at the end of the 1 v 4. He was completely on the defensive for this, hard pressed, and managed to take advantage of an opening. The girl does a backflip and he throws the knife, so just as she's coming down it hits her in the chest. Unavoidable.

The impression I got was 1 v 1, Jack wins. He killed the first 2 and the last three in a more or less 1 v 1 situation. 1 v 2 was about even. 1 v 3 and he was on the defensive. 1 v 7 and it's fucking impossible.

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A lot of people completely missed what was probably the biggest indication for Jack's victory. There was a lot of use of blood for symbolism in this episode (both Jack and the wolf were covered in it when they meet) This gave the two a seance of comradery and made both more powerful as a result. This comradery however hurt the daughters of Aku. As I'm sure we are all aware, they were completely in sync with their moves and ability, but the blood metaphor from before comes back to negatively effect them. When girls spen a lot of time with each other their menstrual cycles tend to sync up as well. All 6 of them were on their period and simply did not stand a chance. This can be further noted when Ashi was screaming like an annoying bitch after the fight.

>>91062475
I was hoping that was Mad Jack taunting him in the cave.
Would have made for an interesting easter egg if the color was done right.

>>91062654
nigga you crazy

>>91062655
He isn't angry though.

>>91062631

Basically his entire strategy was to eliminate their numbers as safely as he could, and then putting himself in a position where they would be funneled, and forced to fight him in single combat.

He used the environment to his advantage expertly.

>>91062654
>A lot of people completely missed what was probably the biggest indication for Jack's victory.
he was almost naked.
Naked Jack > Superman

I'm just surprised that Mecha Shiva didn't throw Jack for a loop.

Though I suppose he did fight off a literal mecha shiva in the Arena.

>>91062803
>no magic tricks
>Jack turns into a 70 year old man

>>91062654
>hurr they were on their period thats why they lost
Realistically though its been explained several times why there was such a strong turnaround. Ep. 2 Jack got ambushed, disarmed and chased relentlessly by an enemy he had never faced before, while some cruel echo of him was hounding him to kill himself.

Ep. 3 Jack knows (truly) what hes facing, gained resolve by remembering the lessons learned from this father, and ambushed them instead. He killed two of them within a few seconds of getting the jump on them, then summarily dispatched the others in a straight fight.

I'm still wondering if more than one sister survives the fall. Would be interesting to see one retain her laser focus and dedication to killing Jack while Ashi strays from the course after realizing she was raised on lies her whole life.

>>91061485

A combination of strategy, experience from the first fight, and newfound desire to survive/win.

Fighting in the snow negated their speed and stealth somewhat, while the showdown on the branch forced them into one-on-one combat and moving in a straight line.

Consider that even in the second episode, running for his life and surprised by the Sister, Jack's not only able to defeat her, but actually disarms her and kills her with her own weapon.
Even before that, he fought two of the Sisters while unarmed in that dark passage and held his ground. He ran because he knew the others would catch up to him in moments. Thus it was established before that the Sisters individually are no match for Jack and only got so far because of ambushing him and always attacking in numbers.
So in third episode he killed some of them and finally forced them to fight him one-on-one.

>>91061485
>>91062594
This. His plot armor is inversely proportional to his regular armor. eg the nakeder the better. Think of it like the inverse ninja law, but with clothes.

Alternatively a /tg/ answer would be something along the lines of: Jack was trained in light armor and all his heavy armor gave him fuck-huge penalties to his stats. It wasn't until he got rid of it that he had a high enough dex score to make the requisite saving throws to evade their attacks. He also took a positional advantage on the tree trunk over the cliff so that the sisters couldn't get flanking bonuses any more.

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>>91062865
>implying he won't just press X to win

>>91062654
>When girls spen a lot of time with each other their menstrual cycles
You lost me there.
And here I thought you were actually going tomention how they were raised to never feel compassion and care for each other, which cost them their capacity to truly fight as a unit.

Ep2: Ambushed while mentally broken
Ep3: Ambushing while sound of mind

Like Jack is a god of combat at this point, if he spent 15 years training in the past and 50 surviving in the future, that's a dude with 65 years of fighting experience in a body in its physical prime.

Not to mention the daughters literally only know their training, they turn OOGH the moment they see anything not relevant to killing Jack.

>>91061485
Jack set the pace of the fight and ambushed them first similar to how they set the rhythm of their first encounter with their ambush.

Don't forget that Jack has been training and fighting for the better part of 70 years, a couple of 20-something assassins aren't going to break him when he has a clear head.

>>91062908
I don't see how any of the sisters besides Ashi could survive tho.

1 got cut in the neck and bled out
2, 3 and 4 got impaled in the chest
5 got knocked out and threw off a cliff unconscious
6's neck broke with one single punch from Jack, and THEN she fell

At least Ashi and Jack have the excuse of surviving because they were conscious when they fell so they can attempt something.

>>91061485
Jacks so meta he jobs for himself.

>>91063099
5 is the only one that might come back because CARTOONS but as I'm concerned, Jack and Ashi are the only ones left alive.

>>91061485
The power of plot anon the power of plot.

so did aku actually smash their mom or nah

>>91062475
Not really, he just gathered enough resolve to survive. He still doesn't seem intent on getting his sword back and killing Aku.

>>91063152
I doubt it.

>>91063152
If that was the case you'd think he'd remember or that they'd have some supernatural powers.

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>>91062654
>>91062986
Same, good job anon you had me going there

>>91063152
Do you think those weak-ass kids are the actual children of Aku? This just just insane cult nonsense that's trying to fuck Aku.

>>91062700
>>91062631
What a lot of people forget about jack is that he didn't just spend his entire life learning martial arts - he also spent it learning from dozens of different teachers and disciplines. He learned how to direct a fight and build tactics on the go, and the sisters didn't. That's why Jack is a killing machine more than anything.

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>>91062952
>Alternatively a /tg/ answer would be something along the lines of: Jack was trained in light armor and all his heavy armor gave him fuck-huge penalties to his stats. It wasn't until he got rid of it that he had a high enough dex score to make the requisite saving throws to evade their attacks. He also took a positional advantage on the tree trunk over the cliff so that the sisters couldn't get flanking bonuses any more.

I fucking love tabletop explanations for non tabletop related media.

It always works.

The hardest kill for him was probably the 3rd one in their second fight. The first two were killed in his initial ambush, after that he started juggling 4 opponents and managed to kill yet another one to lower their count to 3 which he then soloed on a narrow tree branch.

>>91063099
You're more likely to survive a fall unconscious because your body is relaxed.

>>91063240
He was also trained in darkness.

>>91061485
they ambushed him in the darkness and Jack wasn't mentally together when they first fought.

the second fight he's mentally sound and can easily hide in the snow. Combined with his decades of fighting in the future he pretty much balls on them

>>91063099
>5 got knocked out and threw off a cliff unconscious
Wasn't she fully conscious when Jack chucked her off the tree? She seems likely to survive at this point.

>>91063311
i could see her surviving and returning in a few episodes to make Ashi choose between her old life and new one

Is there a download for the new episode at all by the way?

>>91063334
If she doesn't show up impaled on some branches at the bottom of the trees next episode I'm going to assume she lives.

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>>91061559
>he got his balls back
>>91063039
>sound of mind

Did that actually happen though. He's probably still suicidal, nothing changed on that front. The only peace he found within this episode was peace from killing a human, which is something he did far after his suicidal thoughts developed. His suicidal thoughts are unrelated and pertain to Aku and Jack's family

He can't have been at peace, if that were true we wouldn't see his mindJack telling him to kill himself again but it surely has to happen since he doesn't really know what he's doing. All he did in Episode 3 was kill those after him. He's back to Square 1 now.

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>>91062237
>Yeah no question it's a shit delivery

I think that might have been the point. to sorta illustrate that she's completely brainwashed and none of her thought and motivations are her own.

That or it just is what it is, a shit delivery.

>>91061744
Jack trained for longer, plus he's had 50 years of additional experience.

50+ years of experience fighting death robots and monsters vs. 10 years fighting mooks in a cave.

>>91063377
Yeah people are thinking that Jack is back but he still hasn't found his way again. He just gathered his shit together enough to defend himself from the assassins that were after him.

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>It took Jack literally killing for him to finally get his shit together after 50 years
>It wasn't even the shock of killing, just the realisation he should do it more

Triggering that one Flashback really did wonders huh

>>91062525
It was really good roast duck

>>91063377

He's definitely not at peace yet, I think Jack goes through this a lot.

People with mental illnesses usually go through cycles where they feel terrible and then feel pretty good.

Jack's feeling good right now(relatively), but he has not overcome his psychosis.

>>91063152

The Daughters of Aku are a cult that worship him like some kind of god. Aku himself probably isn't even aware the assassins existed since he's been moping around and not paying attention aside from what the occasional minion tells him.

>>91063418
It's a wonder he was even able to do that honestly. Can't be easy fighting depression and suicidal thoughts when you're literally in combat inches away from ending it all. Guess just those "good" memories of his father quelled it all for a bit and he was able to survive.

>>91063391
it was obviously her just spouting brainwashed bullshit, how do you guys continually keep missing even the most vaguely subtle things in this show

>>91061559
First post best post.

>>91063460
>Jack's feeling good right now(relatively),
One Flashback is really all it takes for that to happen?
It wasn't even a pleasant flashback, it was literally bloodshed and his Father telling him it's OK

>>91063429
Nah he still hasn't entirely gotten his shit together, not until he looks for his sword again.

>>91063479
Even if she's brainwashed, from her perspective the man she hates most on earth is going to kill her and there's no chance her fellow warriors are going to kill him anyway because they're all dead. I think she could've sounded a little more pissed off.

>>91063507
Well, he didn't look clinically depressed in the next ep preview
It's a step up for sure.

>>91063473
I hope Ashi's mother gets to see Aku be all depressed and shit, it would be a hilarious crestfallen moment for her.
>I sacrificed my seven daughters and twenty years of my life for THIS?!

>>91063550
>pissed off
They pretty much had no emotion. The sisters being killed meant little to any of them

>>91063507
The Old Scotsman is obviously gonna be the one who finally talks him into getting his shit together.

And right after that the Scotsman is gonna die, but not before handing his magic rune sword over to Jack.

>>91063550
she's specifically been shown to be the softest of the group, it's no surprise she's not 100% behind her convictions, even if she doesn't consciously realize it

>>91063507
I'm guessing that around episode 5 or 6 he'll stop aimlessly wandering and actively look for his sword.

>>91063587
>They pretty much had no emotion
Yes? They were raised into hating Jack. Hate is an emotion.

>>91063645
fair point. Personally I'm far too peaceful to exhibit Hate, easy mistake

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>>91063665
>Personally I'm far too peaceful to exhibit Hate, easy mistake

>>91061485
This isn't the first time this happened, you know.

Remember those guys that were hunting him hired by Aku? They got the drop on him and knocked him out, but once he got his wits he outran them.

>>91061912
I don't know, maybe Tara wanted anted it to sound like Ashis' heart just wasn't in it? I mean I doubt Genndy liked that but they probably rolled with it to see how it felt.

>>91061982
That cartwheel is shit form.

Why would Jack have a good set of armor? Its pretty clear from the episodes that he has been clinging onto anything he can since he lost the sword. So unless he had a quest to grab armor light as a feather, he is going to take a dex hit.

While being in armor won't make him the blob, its going to fuck him up since he wasn't trained to fight in it.

>>91063831
>shit form
>in a suit of armor
What the fuck is up with all of these "I AM VERY SMART" posts lately? I feel like they've been becoming more frequent lately.

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>>91061485
Forget that explanation, what's the explanation for him not being so suicidal this episode
So far he's always had hallucinations of how he's failed and how he should kill himself. But he tore shit up in this episode with no remorse.

>>91061564
This, finally someone gets it

>>91063882

He really didn't have much time to dwell on his failures considering he was now faced with a new threat.

Also he did spend quality time with his spirit animal.

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>>91063882
Doggo kept him warm and happy.

>>91061485
Honestly I was expecting something more chraaazyy and insane like the Three Blind Archers or the Ultra Bots. Or the Shadow assassin.
I think the snow/fog area lasted too litle, same for the small part when he was fighting in the darkness, same for the slowmotion rain. It was just too little.

Perhaps if their deaths weren't so instant then it would have looked more believable, but I guess full dexterity and full damage builds with no armor are always going to be dealt on a lucky dice throw +well placed ambush. Missing 99 of the time, but the 1 time you do strike, it's game over.

It's just weird that Jack is far more skilled to hand to hand combat and disarming compared to the sisters which were also trained in hand to hand.

Though Jack does constantly seem to do better naked and without a weapon(sometimes even without his sword) as he utterly beat the shit out of Aku in hand to hand.

>>91063970
>It's just weird that Jack is far more skilled to hand to hand combat and disarming compared to the sisters which were also trained in hand to hand.
Jack has close to 70 years of fighting experience. The daughters have around 20. I don't know what you're expecting.

Judging by how fast that wound healed Jack has some advanced regen as well as being biologically immortal.

>>91064114
Biological immortality requires some advance regen bullshit.

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>>91063919
Speaking of doggos what became of Lulu?
Sweet thing.

>>91064165
died of natural causes

>>91064165
Lovingly taken care of by one of those funny scientists who felt pride in his work.

>>91064229
>>91064183
>>91064165
Aku killed her the moment he heard X9 failed, instead of killing her in front of X9 should he for some reason succeded

>>91064165
I cried on that episode
And on "Aku Sickness", when jack killed an innocent robot.

>>91061485
He remembered his father words

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>>91062654

>>91064511
I feel like, at that point, he started seen those thoughts for the monstrous, dark things they were.

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>>91062654
>The Daughters got killed because they were on their
kek

>>91062654
The bait and switch in this post is amazing.

>>91064549
That's the point I thought of Mad Jack taunting him, would have been a neat egg there.
>Has dumbler gone up in arms over animated women dying on screen yet?

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>>91062654
I found the guy who got all of /sug/ thinking that the mindful education episode of SU was gonna be about Connie raggin' it.

>>91065977
That was hilarious. I believed it too.

One thing people seem to forget is that DoA don't have any experience with the outside world, to the point where they don't know what animals are. Jack has a huge advantage when he gets to plan and use the environment to his advantage.