Disney faces lawsuit for allegedly copying Zootopia

>>90921379
Why is he only saying something about it now? The film came out a whole year ago and it must have been known Disney was developing a film with anthro animals called Zootopia long before that. Seems a bit fishy. Especially seeing that anthropomorphic animals with characteristics to fit their animal honestly isn't a novel idea

>>90921507

>Seems a bit fishy.

That a copyright challenge against Disney took a year to be filed?

>>90921686
I'd hope there's more to the complaint than OPs pic. Cause that shit is thin.

>>90921758

Of course there's more to the complaint. What do you think you're contributing?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3521449-Zootopia.html

>>90921379
>I invented humanized animals
>Disney owes me money
Disney will win, and ZT will gain even MORE publicity.

>>90921379
Goldman Zootopia looks awful, but they say the court shouldn't let the guy who stole your car have it because he looks better in it.

Still, the concept art look different enough and the concept itself is too vague to pin anything substantial. Still though, there's a chance that this will make Disney sit on the franchise rather than continue it and risk further legal actions.

>>90922033
>>90921948

Did either of you actually read the court documents? Disney actually completely ripped off the guy's idea.

>>90921379
Who will win?

>>90922133
>namefag
>not being a complete and utter retard

>>90922133
Disney is pretty powerful. Regardless of stealing, they have access to vast money and the most expensive lawyers.

>>90921948
>>90922033

Am I really the only one here who bothered to read what was posted? Did everyone else just come to this thread, look at a single image and form an opinion?

I don't even know who this fucker is, but he isn't claiming Disney just drew some cartoon animals. He pitched a project called Zootopia to Disney on two separate occasions with thematic, structural and design similarities to the film they put out.

>>90922141

Disney. Best case scenario is it gets settled. Worst case scenario is they bleed the stupid bastard for years as a show of dominance. Those people are fucking monsters, and they will hurt you for challenging them.

>>90922133
Impossible, Disney is the greatest and best company on earth. They would never steal some hacks idea.

This is just a piece of shit trying to steal money from a hugely successful movie. Nothing more.

>>90922141

The little guy, because we live in a fair and just world. They definitely won't drag the case out for years until the guy is completely ruined.

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>When the plaintiff admits they want to fuck Shakira's fursona

That being said, there are a lot of similarities between the two Zootopias

Disney will be able to dodge the accusation through the power of $$$, of course so nothing will come of this lawsuit

However, if Goldman wanted to make his case stronger he should have highlighted the timeline of Zootopia concept art released over the years. A lot of the earlier pieces released way back when for Zootopia looked pretty different from Goldman's shit, but I can't say that about whatever was released closer to the movie's overhaul

>>90921862
He doesn't have to contribute shit to be skeptical of this claim

>>90922243

He didn't even read the claim. How the fuck can he be skeptical of it?

>>90922214
Wasn't this based on a book?
That would punch the bottom out of his claims.

>>90922227
Go back being dead in a refrigerator, Walt.

Kimba all over again. That hardly went anywhere neither will this. In 20 years people discussing Zootopia on the internet will still be interrupted by people posting OP's pic as proof that Disney is bad, though.

>>90922310
>Wasn't this based on a book?
No.

>>90922310

>Wasn't this based on a book?

Where are you getting that from?

>>90922133
Its not the only one. Coco is stupid close to earlier pitch materials done by Gutierrez

>>90922364
Disney IS bad, though.

>>90922381
I faintly remember somebody bitching about much nuance and context being lost in adaptation as they had to distill it down from a much more complex universe.

>>90922382
Everybody should join together for nice class-action. Maybe get everybody a sweet out of court settlement.

>>90922356
Never! Now go watch Beauty and the Beast so we can get that billion

>>90922396
Lies!

>>90921379
>Wew
Sup, /v/!

>>90922396
That's fine. I enjoyed Lion King and Zootopia though. I honestly wouldn't give a fuck if they are total ripoffs because I consider them well done ripoffs.

>>90921379
This guys a retard if he thinks he can beat the mouse in a fucking lawsuit. Pick your battles dumbass

>>90922364
What changed was the Internet. It's harder to hide things like this.

>>90922427

>I faintly remember somebody bitching

Maybe in the future you shouldn't accept things said on the internet as fact so readily.

>>90922470
Likely why it took him so long to file. Need to have enough ammunition abd defense.

>>90922447
Is that exclusively a /v/ thing? I've used it on pretty much every board I go to

>>90922382
Well coco was confirmed to be a ripoff of El Libro De la Vida since Jorge propised the concept to disney before he went to sony

>(((Goldman)))
End Jew on Jew Shekelcide.

>>90922382
The only similarity between TBOL
and Coco is the Dia De Los Muertos setting.

>>90921379
>In the lawsuit, Disney is alleged to have a track record of ripping off work including The Lion King, Toy Story, Monsters Inc., Up, Inside Out and more.

I know about Kimba, what's the story behind these other ones?

>The beginning of the document is shit-talking Disney's hypocrisy with lawsuits
Fucking brass. Some of the points are real stretches but I hope it doesn't go too sour for Goldman, sounds like he's been shafted by the mouse.

Disney will either settle for a pittance or ram this fucker's face into the ground for a laugh. Nobody wins against The House of Mouse's Lawyers.

>>90922577

Defendants’ unauthorized appropriation of others’ intellectual property

15 is a corporate practice that has generated tremendous profits. They did it with The
16 Lion King when they copied Osamu Tezuka’s Kimba The White Lion. They did it
17 with Toy Story when they copied Jim Henson’s The Christmas Toy. They did it with
18 Monsters, Inc. when they copied Stanley Mouse’s Wise G’Eye. They did it with Up
19 when they copied Yannick Banchereau’s Above Then Beyond. They did it with the
20 Frozen trailer when they copied Kelly Wilson’s The Snowman. And, they did it
21 with Inside Out when they copied Frédéric Mayer’s and Cédric Jeanne’s Cortex
22 Academy, among other sources.
23

3.

They did it with Zootopia, too, when they copied Gary L. Goldman’s

>>90922427
Sounds like you're thinking of somebody talking about one of the earlier drafts.

>>90921379
>Disney is now facing a serious lawsuit alleging that Oscar-winning animation film Zootopia was copied from the work of Gary L. Goldman, a reputable author whose distinguished credits includes writing Total Recall and Next and producing Minority Report.

>The complaint filed on Tuesday in California federal court comes from Esplanade Productions, Inc., which is being represented by the prominent law firm of Quinn Emanuel.

>It opens by quoting Zootopia director Byron Howard as saying, "Don’t worry if you feel like you’re copying something, because if it comes through you, it’s going to filter through you and you’re going to bring your own unique perspective to it."

>>90922697
In the lawsuit, Disney is alleged to have a track record of ripping off work including The Lion King, Toy Story, Monsters Inc., Up, Inside Out and more.

"They did it with Zootopia, too, when they copied Gary L. Goldman’s Zootopia," states the complaint. "Twice — in 2000 and 2009 — Goldman, on behalf of Esplanade, pitched Defendants his Zootopia franchise, which included a live-action component called Looney and an animated component called Zootopia. He provided a treatment, a synopsis, character descriptions, character illustrations and other materials. He even provided a title for the franchise: 'Zootopia.' Instead of lawfully acquiring Goldman’s work, Defendants said they were not interested in producing it and sent him on his way. Thereafter, consistent with their culture of unauthorized copying, Defendants copied Goldman’s work. They copied Goldman’s themes, settings, plot, characters, and dialogue — some virtually verbatim."

>>90922241
>similar visually
>both lady shaped

This is pretty dumb.

>>90922719
>The complaint even illustrates alleged copying of artwork:

>According to the complaint, Goldman has worked with Disney before. In 2007, he is said to have been hired to write a screenplay called Blaze based on a Stan Lee comic. Afterwards, Lee allegedly told him, "You're now my favorite writer!"

>As for Zootopia, a film about a bunny who moves to a big city and unravels a conspiracy with the aid of a con artist fox, the lawsuit claims that its source is unmistakable given Goldman's detailed work offering descriptions about characters and other elements.

>The lawsuit states that Goldman pitched former Disney executive and Mandeville Films’ CEO David Hoberman, at Disney's offices in 2000, and that everyone at the meeting "understood that writers pitch ideas and materials to studios and producers in confidence in order to sell those ideas and materials for financial compensation."

Weird that they didn't bother to change the name.

Did they copy Porto-Zootopia?

>>90921379
>Disney copying stuff
Nah that never happens.

Has anyone ever won in a lawsuit against Disney?

>>90922734
Hoberman responded favorably, continues the complaint, but his company ultimately passed.

>Nine years later, Goldman tried again to pitch his project.

>"At the time, Goldman was working on Blaze with Brigham Taylor who, Esplanade is informed and believes, was Walt Disney Pictures’ Executive Vice President of Production and Development at the time," continues the complaint. "Because Goldman had this existing relationship with Taylor, Goldman offered to pitch the Goldman Zootopia to Taylor on behalf of Defendants, and Taylor accepted Goldman’s offer. On or about February 12, 2009, Goldman met with Taylor at Defendants’ offices in Burbank, California."

>Disney is then alleged to have begun work on its own Zootopia and reproduced substantially similar expression in alleged violation of plaintiff's copyrights. The lawsuit handled by attorney Jeffrey McFarland also claims breach of implied contract, breach of confidence and unfair competition. Disney's Zootopia grossed more than $1 billion worldwide in theaters, putting substantial damages on the line. Esplanade wants an injunction plus monetary damages including of the punitive kind. (Read the full complaint.)

>A Disney spokesperson responds, "Mr. Goldman’s lawsuit is riddled with patently false allegations. It is an unprincipled attempt to lay claim to a successful film he didn’t create, and we will vigorously defend against it in court.”

>>90922794
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3521449-Zootopia.html

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>>90922697
>"Don’t worry if you feel like you’re copying something, because if it comes through you, it’s going to filter through you and you’re going to bring your own unique perspective to it."
God damn, I mean that is an incriminating thing to say.
I can see where he's coming from to an extent. You can't exactly create something wholly original, and having a particular style is going to help overcome those hurdles.
But it also comes across like shitty self-justification for being a plagiarist asshole.

>>90922623
A lot of this is reaching, even Kimba is not quite as similar to the Lion King as most people think.

I feel bad for this guy. Not because of the ripoff stuff, but because he'll be hardcore anal raped by Disney lawyers in court.

>>90922516
Huh. Might have been another movie I heard that about, too.
Or maybe it was that somebody said they had to tone the script down from an earlier version?

But just the wiki rundown of the pitch to product process suggests that it would be hard to call plagiarism here. They ostensibly smashed two pitches together, switched context around, changed the genre etc.
Proving that they stole ideas from a pitch is probably gonna be hard. Aside from the title, there are a few character archetypes that roughly fit, but proving what was pitched to who when and who ever saw the documents seems a bit hard to do. With a machine this big, plausible deniability is easy. And they probably get a ton of similar pitches, anyway. Even if that is all true, proving that in court betond reasonable doubt seems pointless to try. It's different animals in a group so big you can likely claim similarities to one of them just by statistical chance.

>>90922570
What about the "protagonist wants to be a musician but his family doesn't want him to that" part?

>>90922577
Not sure about some of the others, but Monsters Inc is really similar to Ahh Real Monsters once you notice it. Not necessarily in such a way that constitutes a lawsuit, but it's there.

>>90922848
It's so weird that you'd need to rip anyone off when you're already a furry.

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>>90922133
Depends. The evidence presented will be the deciding factor. In this he has claims of meetings with Disney where he presented them with plot ideas, lines, settings and structure that they then used at a later time for the film Zootopia. To make those claims he better have some thing like a recording of the meetings or proof that the ideas were passed onto Disney through emails.

Without those he doesn't have much beyond the character comparison which is just slightly above weak. yes, the characteristics in the design are similar but not so much so that you can hinge an entire case on it as, similar as they are in some regards, the design and style has a huge difference.

So its a wait and see really. If he can provide evidence of most of his claims then yes, they stole it, but its going to need to extend beyond the small amount of evidence provided with the pictures.

>>90922141
No idea.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/disneys_top_lawyer_is_best_paid_general_counsel

>>90922683
No in the case of hamlet you philistine

>>90922683
I liked it. Kimba just sees all of his subjects as peers of one another and outlaws them murdering eachother. It works out because it's a saturday morning cartoon that chooses to ignore some biology and none of the animals suffer health issues. Basically, he's the original founder of the city of Zootopia.

So how much does his pitch have in common with the final product?

>>90922884
Yep. Just about anything with a lion protagonist could be claimed similar to Kimba. And making lions royalty isn't an innovative idea, is it?
That wasn't even Disney's first lion king. They had one in their Robin Hood, too.

>>90922734
>Stan Lee allegedly told him, "You're now my favorite writer!"

Is it weird that I instantly picture this in the context of them sharing drugs?

If anything Disney will probably just give him money to go away since if he even has a small chance of winning the lawsuit he'll likely get something like a past percentage of revenue from the movie worth millions of dollars.

>>90922933
One of the most worn out conflict tropes in entertainment.
See Rock Dog recently warming that one over.

wow, this is really upsetting
the same guy that wrote the original Total Recall wrote the reboot? Did he have a fucking stroke or took too much acid between then?

>>90923151
>actually defending plagiarism
Kill yourself.

>>90922786
They weren't permitted to trademark Dia de los Muertos, so there's that.

>>90923219
Kimba=Lion King is a very old meme that is easily debunked by actually watching Kimba.

>>90923218
oh wait, imdb has their scroll written in a very misleading way. the scroll lists him as writer but the list clearly specifies the movie was based on the movie he screeplayed
that seems needlessly complicated to include a movie on his credits he didn't directly involve himself in

>>90923241
They actually tried to trademark a holiday? what the fug.

>>90923266
As a film title, yes.

>>90922033
>Still though, there's a chance that this will make Disney sit on the franchise rather than continue it and risk further legal actions.

That lawsuit over Finding Nemo didn't prevent Finding Dory.

>>90923219
It's okay when Disney does it

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>>90922241
>African animals
Nigger, literally half of Goldman's Zootopia characters on that list can be found in Africa.

What is this guy thinking, for fuck's sake?

>>90922192
What namefag are you talking about.

>>90923151
I think the most damning evidence in the Kimba case (besides some pretty big similarities) is the artists straight up saying in an interview "we are making a Kimba adaptation" without realizing they were going to turn out not to get the rights. It was definitely at least the plan at some point in production, though they changed things around enough that they could get away with it. The one thing they'd need to do to make it too obvious to deny would be to keep Simba and his father white as they'd originally intended.

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Bunnies are better than Squirrels anyway.
Now if the original design was a mouse, on the other hand...

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>>90922133
Goldman would have a case if any of what he pitched were particularly original to begin with.

Going through and reading >>90921862, nearly every claim that Goldman makes is basically some sort of a reused trope or joke related to common interactions between animals, used to comment on social stratification between humans.

And everything he states regarding the characters can be summed as standard anthropormization.

>>90923638
>mice
disgusting

>>90921379
>>90921862

Skimmed through the documents. This is going to be tough.

Disney does steal ideas. But they're very good at changing them just enough to skirt legal problems. Copyright protects the execution, not the ideas themselves, so this guy needs to prove that his combination of ideas is unique. That would be hard to do against Disney, who has a deep catalogue of animals-as-society, odd couple, and detective stories to draw from.

If there's merit here, Disney is going to settle. If not, Disney is going to drag this out until he's broke or croaks. Either way, no one is going to admit fault.

>>90923673
>trope
>ever
You can't take someone who uses the word "trope" seriously
Did you read the whole document or just skipped to the page with the illustrations?
Just because Disney made a better Zootopia, doesn't means they had the right to do so, I'm a different anon btw

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>>90921379
Disney? Stealing ideas? Why, I NEVER!!

But really, Zootopia is a pretty generic furry world. Fuck, scratch that, I've seen furries be more original in their world ideas. Zootopia had an ok story, fantastic art direction, but at the end of the day it was just a cartoon about an animal city, one full of pretty shallow representations of the animals that inhabit it. That's par for the course regarding talking animal things. The only thing that separates it from say.. Robinhood, or better yet, Talespin, is the fact that Zootopia actually makes reference to species and the dietary needs of said species. That's it, that's literally fucking it.
Disney could easily say that they are the victims here and that the person who pitched that story to them was, in fact, copying their older work. The guy who made Zootopia basically admitted himself he did just that when he said he wanted to make a Robinhood-like movie.

>>90923440
So Disney wanted to cash in on a name and then didn't.
That is really not so big a thing. You can't keep people from making movies about lions and the product they turned out was bigger than anything before.
I mean, it's probably more Hamlet in there than Kimba, too.
Getting your idea from something is not plagiarism. Not by a long shot.
And it's really hard to try and call property on a character in terms of personality concept, not likeness.
The lawsuits over action movies would never end.
Maybe someone actially still remembered the pitch by Goldman in 2012 and used the title remembered from one pitch three years back. That's probably the biggest thing connecting them.
And in big parts of the world the movie isn't even called that.
Other than that? I guess you can't really patent hot latinas, can you?
If there is a script you can just check for copied and paraphrased sections. If you have two movies, parallels are easy to show. Proving they worked from your pitch years later? Maybe if they had done the movie three years earlier so they would have to go into production with his pitch. Why would they wait for another guy to have pitches and then warp his idea into yours, or something similar?

Tangentially related, but worth consideration.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4466533.stm

>>90923796
I'm still used to calling them cliches and conventions. But I'm not going to be the ornery old man that refuses to adopt the new lingo. When in Rome, anon.

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>>90922884
>A lot of this is reaching

You haven't really watched the Kimba anime if you think that this is reaching. So many elements of Kimba have been used in Lion King.
>A wise baboon
>Bumbling hyenas
>A young lioness love-interest
>A Zazu-like bird
>An evil darker lion with an eye ailment. In "Kimba" his name is Claw.

To top it all off:
>Matthew Broderick — who voiced Simba — admitted he was initially confused about his role. “I thought he meant Kimba, who was a white lion in a cartoon when I was a little kid,” Broderick had said in a 1994 interview about his casting.

Also pic related shows a screenshot from an early presentation reel of "The Lion King" which shows a white lion cub and a butterfly.

There is nothing wrong with remaking previous works of art.

Most Pixar movies have been rip-offs of other movies.

Toy Story : The Christmas Toy
Toy Story 2 : Follow That Bird
Toy Story 3 : The Brave Little Toaster
Bugs Life : Insektors + Seven Samurai
Ratatouille : Mouse Hunt
Cars : Doc Hollywood
Cars 2 : The Man Who Knew Too Little
Brave : Brother Bear
Monsters Inc. : Little Monsters
Monsters University : Revenge of the Nerds
Up : Above Then Beyond
Wall-E : Idiocracy + Short Circuit
Finding Dory : Toy Story 2
The Good Dinosaur : Lion King

" People remake good movies, but they are already good. They should remake bad movies that are good ideas but poorly executed." - Ed Catmull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDc ~(25:00)

>>90923922
Dude, calm down. I don't even care about the outcome of either case. I think both movies are different enough from the properties they are supposedly copying that Disney seems reasonably legally safe.

I just think that you have to have some conspiracy theory levels of denial to reject the very idea that Lion King was at least inspired by Kimba, that's all. I think there's at least room for agreement there. As for Zootopia, I don't know much about this whole thing and don't really care.

This is what you call a nuisance lawsuit. Not news worthy and not a good idea to raise one against Disney.

>>90923638
Hello Aku.

>implying you can beat the mouse

>>90921379
I don't think this is going to go anywhere. Not with big ol' Disney.

Hopefully they wouldn't have done the same stupid shit like they did in early Lion King production with Kimba.

>>90923258
Quit spreading misinformation for memes

>>90922364
well, tezuka is dead and was a japanese, those two are enough resons to drop everything, also aparently he gave Disney the concept but not the rights over kimba, he was a sucker for Disney and would never try anything against them.

>>90924267
>new lingo

Just because all of you don't read and weren't exposed to the term until a website was made about it, doesn't mean it hasn't been there is critical literature forever.

Both zootopia concepts were not even that creative to begin with

Do you know how specific copyright is? They aren't patents, they protect only the copyrighted work, not any concepts. And in order to protect the name you have to trademark it. There would be no case even if it wasn't Disney, the company that trademark laws revolve around. Even if you proved actual knowledge by Disney of the disputed work, you'd still have virtually nothing.

>>90923258

>>90924586
https://web.archive.org/web/20041016200134/http://hometown.aol.com/kimbawlion/rant2.htm

>>90924883
yeah, pretty much, anyone who denies Disney's shameful plagiarism over the decades is fucking dumb, but like I said there's nothing anyone can do about it.

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>>90922884


>>90924883
>Peter and Rochelle Schweizer interviewed Disney animators and report that while working on the Lion King the animators held up stills from Kimba for comparison to their own work.

>>90924883
better link-
http://www.kimbawlion.com/kimbawlion/rant2.htm

>>90923796
>You can't take someone who uses the word "trope" seriously
Don't be such an anus.

>Did you read the whole document or just skipped to the page with the illustrations?
Nigger, I literally attached parts I was referring to.
Maybe instead of questioning whether I've read the entire document, you should consider reading my entire post.

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>>90923366
I don't know what the anime girl is doing but, the kitty doesn't like it for some reason

>civil case
>both sides required to pay legal fees throughout case
>any potential payoff only happens at very end of trial
>civil case inevitably devolves into stretching out the trial long enough one of the two sides is no longer able to pay their legal fees

Nice legal system every country in the world

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this guy's lawyer isn't even Jewish. wtf, is he seriously think he can win like that? and he's supposed to be one himself.

ok, stupid shit aside, this is going to be like this. the whole similarity in chars and plot synopsis is merely impetus in this case. only if the characters and story are carbon-copies the process is going to be short and one sided. but when there are deviations this or even much less prominent, the whole process distills to one question "did the actual people (not a company) conceive to infringe". He pitched his idea to two separate CEOs who are both waren't CEOs anymore at the time Zt was being developed. At this point the Plaintiff has to prove that there was a connection between the people who were informed about the work in question and people who developed it. If he fails to do so (and he probably will, because how stupid are people at Disney you think are, to leave such an implication on the surface?) it's Disneys word against his and Disney's lawyer can just say "yeah, the guy has pitched basically the same idea, but the people who actually developed Zootopia knew shit about that. it's a hugefucking cosmic coincidence, your Honer, but a coincidence nevertheless. I rest my case". And that's it. Disney wins. Goldman pays fees for both parties. gets probably financially ruined... Unless he has someone on the inside, willing to testify and say "yeah, we were totally ripping this guy off". And then Disney has to discredit this person... and then some other shit... and another... and it drags for 25 fucking years until finally Goldman dies of old age and the case is dropped. Murican Justice System FTW.

>>90926022
>FTW
Did you just roll out of a time capsule?

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>he stole my furry people in an urban "jungle" idea

what a waste of the court's time

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>>90922581
Some businesses are just better at making products than others. Like 90% of the people who are mad here need to get over this. What Disney is doing in this lawsuit isn't any different than what other movie companies do.

It's not Disney's fault if some company or movie franchise owned by some movie company isn't as good at making movies as Disney is.
"People keep coming up with new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but if someone is genuinely exceptional... "

>>90924598
>Muh tv trope meme is a critical literature concept
>I troped before it was mainstream
>If you don't know shit about my memetrope you're all illiterate
kys

>>90926886
Where do you want me to kyss you?

>>90926274
Celebrating Disney IS celebrating mediocrity. Literally the entire point of your quote is that mediocrity outshines genuine quality, just like Disney is doing.

>>90922848
He wasn't saying don't worry, just copy shit. He was saying don't worry if you make things, you see other things with similar premises and then tell yourself "Oh, I should just can it because it's similar" because the execution will be different. A lot of young artists are so hellbent on thinking they need to be 100% original that they often throw things away when people say, "Hey, that story reminds me of ____".

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>>90927704

>>90922848

Makes me wonder if the atypical level of transparency surrounding Zootopia's troubled development was intended as a kind of preemptive defense against charges of plagiarism.

>Look at how much effort we put into developing the movie!
>Shock collars!
>Pixar screenings!
>Constant meetings!
>We did it all ourselves, honest!

Not that I'm saying I believe it. I love Zootopia so I really hope it's not true.

>>90923217
At least as old as The Jazz Singer.

How many of you are actually lawyers here?

wait wait I got this one.

(((((Goldman)))))

Oy Vey! Shut it down the Goyim Know!, /pol/ was right, etc.

>>90921379
This is why you never trust niggers are kikes.

>>90929359
I'll never trust you then.

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I blame Ken Penders.

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>"If they're accused of something they must be guilty of it"

Are you guys thick, or what?

>>90922447
>>90922530
I thought it was a [s4s] thing

>>90924354
There's a line between plagiarism and inspiration/homage. All art can be said to be derivative and a combination of an artist's influences and personal experiences. So the point of the court system is to determine where it crosses the line from harmless artistic influence into malicious intent.

None of the movies listed there are rip-offs. They use elements from those movies and were clearly inspired by them, but they don't attempt to steal the entire concept AND story AND characters and pass them off as their own to avoid paying the original creator.

The Lion King was without a doubt at some point an actual rip-off of Kimba, because the original intention was to literally adapt the story and pay the creators for the rights. Later on the movie became a bit more individualistic, but there's still an argument to be made that Disney maliciously denied those creators rightful compensation by making a movie that took the concept and characters of Kimba but just altered the story.

If you want an actual, cut-and-dry rip-off, look at The Asylum's films. They are literally from the ground up made to be low-budget shit that steals the imagery and story of popular movies for financial gain. Of course, that opens a whole other book on what constitutes parody.

But my point is there's a point where there's a malicious intent and that's where the court comes into play here. The Zootopia suit here actually makes a pretty strong case, not because of the similarity between the two films which can mostly be chalked up to coincidence + the idea not being very original in the first place, but the circumstances of Disney's history of contact with the author in question.

>>90929641
This is the culture we(you)'re living right now.

>>90923260
Because the reboot isn't based on the PKD story and it's not a re-adaptation. It's directly derivative of the movie from 1990. As such WGA rules dictate that according to their standards of arbitration the remake must credit him.
It's the same reason you see Aykroyd and Ramis' name attached to Ghostbusters '16. Or Nicholas Meyer's name on the new Time After Time

>>90921507
>>90923715
>>90922194

Disney literally wrote the laws on copyright.

I easily could see how it took that guy that long to actually get some law firm interested in going after Disney, and making sure he has plenty of documentation on his side to back his case.

As far as taking his concept as a base to build on it, It really doesn't seem too far fetched at all.

Am I the only one who's suspicious of the actual script this guy supposedly produced?

>>90922214
>Best case scenario is it gets settled. Worst case scenario is they bleed the stupid bastard for years as a show of dominance. Those people are fucking monsters, and they will hurt you for challenging them.

Absolutely correct

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>>90922214
>and they will hurt you for challenging them
>Companies will retaliate against you if you try to use the government to extort money from them.

I'd do the same thing.

>>90929892
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/law/cartoonist-faces-25-years-prison-failed-kung-fu-panda-lawsuit-128973.html

I feel like after Dreamworks tore this fucker up people wouldn't try to come after big ass studios without proper evidence.

That being said, this case has more weight to it than the Kung Fu Panda one ever did.

Doesn't WDAS basically never take outside ideas?

Seriously, I've been looking at the production history of every Disney animated movie since Little Mermaid, and pretty much all of them were ideas conceived by someone who was already associated with the studio.

Not to say this guy is full of shit, but why would he of all people get the opportunity to pitch an idea to them?

>>90930325
I wanna fuck ___you___

>>90925887
>Not knowing potemayo
I am sad.

I've got a question. Why would anyone want Disney to be in the right here? I mean it's not like if they're in the wrong everyone's gonna come get a piece. It won't wreck the company's rep for the general public. Most people aren't gonna stop working there or stop wanting to work there. They won't even take that big a financial loss. Plus, they've already made the movie.
So outside of being able to sleep soundly knowing a movie you like wasn't stolen from some dude, what is there to gain from a media conglomerate being "correct"?
Being impartial and wanting to see justice done I can understand to a degree. But I can't really see why anyone would be invested in this guy being proven as just spouting bullshit.

>>90930721

Fanboyism

>>90930721
Because it gives rise to retards screeching and shitting their pants because some movie has a character their vaguely resembles their sparkledog OC or is similar to some autistic plot they half wrote out on a napkin.

>>90930721

It's not about wanting anything. Justice should serve truth, and truth should be as objective as we can get it to be.

This guy is the one making the claims, so it is natural to apply skepticism to him rather than Disney.

>>90930721
Consider a guy you don't know very well, but consistently offers a good or service to you. You'd naturally feel partial to him, because all your interactions have been amicable. Since Disney is just a whole bunch of people doing that, I give them money in exchange for stuff I really enjoy, I feel the same way.

>>90921379
To be honest, I'd feel like there would be a greater case if there was a connection between Goldman's Zootopia and the original premise of Byran's Zootopia. If that were the angle being persued it'd be far more interesting.

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Doesn't disney have some downright Orwellian clause with their employees that stayed that the legally own anything and everything they create, eveb outside of company premises, eveb if it's a doodle notebook? Why would it be surprising that they would lull shifty shit with people who get in a position to pitch them things?

Hell, even companies not as big as disney do it for even very minor things like voice actors who send unique takes that get copied by a cheaper actor in the actual thing.

I mean this sort of behavior is expected for shitty Hollywood executives but
>everyone putting the guy down for taking legitimate legal action

It's an uphill battle, but why throw rocks at the underdog?

>>90931260
Look at this contrarian retard. "Huurrr the underdog must be right hurr". Fucking faggot.

>>90931260
Lots of companies do that. My company does it. If I build a thing, I can't prove I didn't use their resources to do it, such as their training, or other nonphysical resources.

>>90930942
>>90931003
The corporation hasn't really done anything to engender the kind of trust that's being extended though. It make products and provide services people enjoy. So you can trust it to do that. But that's not any real reason to trust it not to steal from people. It made no such promises. It's just something many people would prefer.
It's also not like this guy has a history of doing this. And this is one of the few times one of these cases isn't from a literally who that can only point to some old files or a cached website from 1998.
It seems that both parties are owed the same benefit of the doubt instead of leaning any one way
And even if the court rules in this guy's favor it's not like he can bring the company down. Almost everything and everyone would still be in the same place they are now. It's just this guy is now being credited for Zootopia and getting a cut and perhaps some sort of punitive restitution.

>>90922794

You can literally claim anything you want in a complaint. It does not mean anything.

If he has copies of scripts with exactly copied quotes and plot devices, and he can prove they were made when he claims, then he will be fine.

>>90931338
I suppose thats fair. I'm still just going to wait for the results, but they'll probably settle, and we'll be left wondering if that's an admission of guilt.

>>90930721
Just because I'm not excited to see them taken down a peg like some people in here doesn't mean I want them to be in the right. I just don't care if they are in the wrong. What is my stake in this? Besides having enjoyed the movies in question, I don't have one. I am not the kind of person who pretends to have a personal stake in the karmic balance of the world, nor am I some rebel without a cause that cheers when "THE MAN" is given a black eye. That shit is all dumb to me.

But I did like Lion King and I enjoyed Zootopia. That is the extent of my involvement and that of many others rolling their eyes at this controversy.

Don't confuse not having a hate boner for big bad Disney as fanboyism. I don't give a fuck if they're evil. Though from what I've read this Zootopia thing seems like a stretch either way.

>>90921507
>Goldman.
It's an old Jewish trick, see if it has success, and take legal action when the profit hits its peak.
Goldman it's going to get the cinema, digital sales and all merchandise profits of it.

>>90931467
I've never accused anyone of fanboyism. I'm just trying to figure out a few things.
My own personal investment in this controversy is seeing where it will go. I find it fascinating. I actually don't care about Lion King or Zootopia.
But any time Disney dips a toe in these waters there's usually a major change somewhere down the line. So this case is worth keeping an eye on no matter who comes out on top.

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Do you think the trial will involve a showing of the movie in court?

>>90921379
Aren't you going to get fucked either way going against Disney's Lawyers?

oh, the character designs must not be a part of the copyright claim, they're all completely different
>it's the very first part
Geez, the bear is supposedly the leader of goldman's zootopia, but they didn't try comparing him to mayor Lionheart who also shares the same large muscly cartoon character build.

>>90922133
It doesn't matter if they ripped him off as long as they didn't infringe on copyrightable elements. Based on these documents, they didn't.

>>90932096
is the name Zootopia not copywritten?

>>90931338

It's not about trust, it's basic logic. It is incumbent upon the claimant to provide the evidence and convince us, at least initially.

By taking the position that Disney is not trustworthy in the past, you're the one exhibiting a predisposition.

>>90932121

Copyrights do not apply to titles.

They're just going to give him a gorillion dollars to shut up then move on

I thought /co/ was supposed to be "redpilled" or whatever. Are you mouthbreathers ok with huge companies fucking everyone over for insane profits as long as they're not run by the jews? Isn't Disney run by the jews anyway?

I mean I should figure that the board devoted to commercial products and brands is a bunch of fucking idiot whores but it's still gross to see it in action

>>90932407
No, we're against government taking people's money by force.

>>90932439
You don't think the courts should be able to enforce monetary claims at all? That's a pretty radical position

>>90921379
>taking D*sney to court
L M A O

I wish this man all the luck in the world but he will never beat the company that literally owns the courts.

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>>90932407
/co/ is one of the most bluepilled boards on this site, the fuck are you talking about

>>90932531
Only for compensation for violence or aggression. Cribbing someone's notes isn't violent or an aggression against their property.

>>90932572
This board is nothing but "an SJW said a thing, are you mad??" and fake troll wars defending corporate brands

I don't know if that counts as "bluepilled"

>>90932599
So you'd be opposed to this if the parties were switched? You don't think Disney should be able to sue for infringement?

>>90932572
/co/ is one of the easiest to troll because, unlike most other boards, /co/mrades have real feelings, and genuinely care about things.

>>90932653
As in if this guy made a movie from notes he got from a Disney idea? I don't have a problem with that. Theres no violence here. If Disney were to go up and take some of his earnings from this "plagarized" work, they would be in the wrong.

>>90931251
Maybe, but why would he ask to be compensated for an idea they didn't even end up using or making money on that they instead twisted into something almost completely different?

>>90931741
Will there be crablegs?

>>90931741
I doubt it will make it to court, but is it was put in front of a jury, I guess they'd at least have to make sure the jury had seen the movie, or maybe just relevant clips.

>>90921379
this is as dumb as if for example the dark souls dev team doing a lawsuit against nintendo for breath of the wild
fucking idiots

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>>90922552

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oh cool, a Zootopia thread.

any hopes for the comic book series?

even if the ideas and concepts were 99.99% identical you wouldn't stand a chance against disney in court

>>90933797
Fuck supplementary material. Put it in the movie, or fuck off.

>>90921507


Do you guys seriously think lawsuits with disney can just happen over night? Especially if you wanna fucking win.
Esplande's complaint is nearly 40 pages long and full of fact checked research.
The lawsuit is public now too. This happens behind closed doors a lot.

It was probably done with lawyers in private for months and negotiations with a mediator. That didn't go in disney's favor and ended with "see you in court" and now.... that's happening.

What a sucker, Disney even made a documentary how zootopia was made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqlaPttudUc

he wants 5 minutes of fame.

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>>90921379
This sounds like a real winner.

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>>90923673
>(viii) have heroes excel and be recognized for their excellence at a college or academy; (ix) have heroes publicly express prejudice and damage relationships with their partners in media venues;
some of these are worryingly specific

>>90921379
Disney also ripped off Kimba and Laputa. Copywrite law doesn't apply to Disney.

>>90922364
Disney is bad though.

>>90922719
If he has proof of pitching a product called "Zootopia" then this is pretty cut and dry.

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http://www.cartoonbrew.com/business/report-oriental-dreamworks-dying-149460.html

Oriental Dreamworks reportedly laid off 40 artists in Shanghai earlier this month. The studio, which at its peak in 2014 had 250 employees, has been floundering for some time, long before Comcast entered the picture.

Much more can be said about Oriental Dreawmorks — and it’ll probably be said by someone at some point — but at this juncture, it’s simply interesting to observe how Jeffrey Katzenberg’s entire animation empire was basically a house of cards. Nothing he created was built to last because there was never a strong foundation, creatively or otherwise, underpinning any of his ideas.

Once DWA started faltering creatively, Katzenberg started making outlandish bets on the future — the future is 3D filmmaking! the future is China! — to help distract investors from the fact that the company was adrift without a captain. The charade worked long enough for him to squeeze out a few hundred million for himself, but what remains today of Dreamworks that actually has any value is meager to say the least.


http://variety.com/2017/film/asia/china-oriental-dreamworks-heads-for-closure-1202006264/

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/business/comcastnbcuni-lays-off-200-dreamworks-animation-employees-143103.html

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/business/breaking-dreamworks-animation-ceasing-operations-india-144799.html

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/feature-film/dreamworks-animation-universal-kill-croods-sequel-144888.html

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/business/dreamworks-layoffs-round-2-170-employees-chopping-block-145773.html

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/feature-film/dreamworks-delays-train-dragon-3-yet-announces-everest-145907.html

www.cartoonbrew.com/studios/breaking-mireille-soria-dreamworks-animations-co-president-146837.html

www.cartoonbrew.com/business/dreamworks-kills-tim-minchins-larrikins-149137.html

www.businessinsider.com/beauty-and-the-beast-record-breaking-box-office-2017-3

>>90931314
Is that even legal? Wouldn't the burden of proof in an intellectual property dispute be on the plaintiff (i.e. your company)?

>>90929641
fuck off, shill.

>>90931260
>Doesn't disney have some downright Orwellian clause with their employees that stayed that the legally own anything and everything they create, eveb outside of company premises, eveb if it's a doodle notebook?

Yes. Creators for Disney are, more often than not, obligated to let Disney buy the rights to the creations thereby rendering Disney's decisions regarding the product final unless the creator wants to go through the hell of buying it back. Jhonen Vasquez once jokingly said if someone wanted to give him half a million dollars, he could buy back the show he sold to Disney but until then there was no point in pursuing it. Once the mouse has you, the mouse fucking HAS you.
That said, >>90931314 is right. It's not exactly an unusual business practice. If anything I'd say its probably the dominant one.

>Why would it be surprising that they would lull shifty shit with people who get in a position to pitch them things?

It's not, its just that Zootopia is an Oscar Award winning animated picture that swept viewers up like a whore on prom night. To many people, even in the lack of knowledge of shenanigans, its somehow their own fault if they fall for the aftermath of said shenanigans. Realistically its no viewer's fault (because how were they supposed to know, really) and even if it is a ripoff, its perfectly fine to like the movie and no viewer is at blame for liking it. But we blame ourselves anyways so it bundles our panties up. It's that Tribal Fandom bullshit at work again where people identify themselves through what they like rather than who they are.

That said, I can't think of anyone who has successfully sued Disney for stealing ideas even if they were justifiably in the right. If this is all true I feel for the guy but he isn't fighting an uphill battle. He's fighting a battle against a slope at a 90 degree angle covered in spikes and its gonna cost him money to do it. If I were him I'd just cut my losses.

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>>90924297
>>90924883
>>90925737
No, you guys are fucking wrong.

The truth is that Osama bin Tezuka ripped off Disney.
His family and shills made up this meme bullshit (Lion King ripped of Osama bin Tezuka) to make Tezuka more famous and make more money.
Only fools and weebs get sucked in.

I grew up hearing this controversy here and there, but I didn't believe it even when I was 5 years old, because all the Tezuka mangas and animes were literal garbage.
Disney is the true pioneer. Tezuka is just a doujin artist at the time.

>>90930521
I'm not gonna stop you.

>>90923922
Disney wholesale stole visuals from Kimba.

>>90922227
Really this.
WDAS is the greatest company in the world.
No fucking way they ripped off such a garbage idea.

>>90926886
The word trope has existed for at least four decades. I understand that you're probably underage and think that the Internet invented a lot of things, but please, at least try to contain your ignorance.

>>90934456
Oh, don't be like that.

People are longing for more content,it's such amazing world ready to explore, they want something new and canon, tons of concept art that's barely related to the movie is not enough anymore.

come on Disney, give us more Zootopia!

>>90930721
Because Disney is my God. I thank Disney every day that I get to pray at their alter and give them money, and am rewarded by the greatest films of all time.

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>>90936291
>>90935496
Osama bin Tezuka ripped off Disney.
and that "Godly Tezuka invented Manga" is nothing but a meme.
All his mangas are boring crap, and not worth reading at all.

>>90936195
>Tripfag
>Is an idiot
Oh what a day to be on 4chan!

>>90936457
You are an idiot, so you believe this fake story "Lion King ripped off Tezuka Osameme".

>>90936531
Prove that it's fake, you pathetic autist.

>>90936448
Wow, that manga art is fucking awful.

Even if this *did* prove to be true, Disney still made something far better than this dickhead could ever hope to.

>>90936709

>"I can say there is absolutely no inspiration from 'Kimba,'" animator Tom Sito

>"The Lion King" co-director Rob Minkoff said, "Frankly, I'm not familiar with [the TV series]," in reference to the controversy.

>>90936195
>>90936531
Isn't there some requests you need to shit out for the drawthread?

>>90936838
You do realize that people can just lie, right? Or are you just that autistic?

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>>90936856
You do realize that people can just lie, right?
Good one.

>>90936856
Tezuka Osameme is a lier.
He can't draw even half as good as the 1930s Disney inbetweeners.
I believe what Disney animators say, because they can draw.

>>90937004
How well someone can draw has absolutely no correlation or connection to how honest they are as a person. Do you honestly think they'd just outright admit to plagiarizing something? You're one real dumbass.

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Kek
This guy is a fucking joke.
That story "Godly Tezuka invented Anime and Manga" is nothing but a meme.

I'd rather assume Mori Yasuji, one of the Toei earliest animators, invented the anime platform.
His animation is really good compared to Tezuka's literal garbage.

Why would you ever defend Disney, anon?

They are objectively THE definition of dystopian supercorporation and they really don't need you speaking for them either with all the dosh they have.

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>>90937377
>They are objectively THE definition of dystopian supercorporation
They produce entertainment.

You have no idea how harmless they are in comparison to Monsanto or Kraft-Heinz.

Disney takes other ideas and makes them better. That's why no one gives a fuck. They make those products more appealing.

Lion King >>> Kimba. It's just a fact. It's like Tesla fags getting all uppity about Edison. Edison made a better product. Deal with it.

>>90937504
>Kraft-Heinz

Tell me the truth about the ketchup Alan

>>90936448

Tezuka's Bambi was a licensed adaptation. These similarities are quite intentional.

>>90921379
Won't go anywhere.

>>90937504
>people who control news stations, tv channels and the movies much of the 1st-world watches and is influenced by, along with having a heavy hand in supporting TPP-like bills due to congress-plants
>harmless

While your other two examples are fucking your body's health, Disney has your mind's health.

>>9093473

What horrible fate, jesus.

Disney rips off shit all the time and makes a fucton of terrible shit. I'd much rather they be taken to task and forced to give this guy a payout for ripping off his ideas. It wouldn't seriously hurt them or even mildly hurt them to just pay the real creator a small fortune, but maybe it would encourage them to be more original and fair dealing, and that's good for everybody in the end.

>>90938490

Oh, they tried to be very original with Zootopia, Blacksad combined with 1984 by Orwell, amazing idea, but too heavy for children:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3pF9owYlRI

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>>90921379
Uh oh
Battle of the jews
This ought to be fun

>>90935725
>cartoonbrew
yuck

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https://youtu.be/Cx_4C1cyUZA
So besides animals walking on two legs and talking, did the guy have any specific ideas that actually hold any weight? His concepts don't even wear fucking clothes. Looks more like Madagascar.

>>90939818
It wouldn't have worked as well for the message, though. It's too black-and-white, and too divorced from real-world prejudice.

>>90921379
Most of these look like an insane stretch...

>>90922623
Lion king was based more on shakespeare's Hamlet
Frozen was based on the snow queen
Inside Out was based on an old disney short that I can't remember the name for. I know it was based on the rational mind and the emotional mind.

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Dogs of Disney... time they made a move

>>90940329
Cuz It was just one big accusation that white people are priviledged, evil and responsible for the racism in the world, they even teach their own children that. world should know that Disney is infested by this "progressive" cancer.

>>90923888
You're aware that scene on the rock was ripped off of Disney's Bambi right?

>>90940838
Please, it could still be seen as white oppression; "group people think was in top and once in charge of the killing now oppressed by a democratic system which they find themselves the minorities in" sounds a little like what /pol/ bitches about.

Fuck disney. Every lawsuit against them is a good lawsuit.

>>90941167

you realize we talk about the original movie, not the one with tons of animal gags that mislead you at whenever you want to apply race to certain critter?

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>>90921379
>All future Zootopia threads are going to be about this from now on.

>>90941696
Yes.

>>90922529
Like its going help him at all, he has no real evidence to back up his claims.
He has no idea what he's getting himself into and is going to get fucked raw.
Disney is no longer just a simple entity. They are a force of nature. Would you sue a fucking hurricane for damages against your property?

>>90941844
It could work this time with social media. If not this time, some other time that gets social media involved.

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>lived long enough to see furry drama in big news website
What a time to be alive

>>90936195
Ripped of Floyd Gottfredson you mean. Also, inspired by is probably a more accurate way to say it.

The only thing that really rubs me the wrong way about Disney is Walt slapping his name all over everyone else's hard work in the company. You'd never see Carl Barks, Don Rosa, or Floyd Gottfredson's name on their genius work.

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>>90936187
I'm still sore over that Jhonen thing.

>>90942134
For real I thought Carl Barks was actually just a Ducktales character for the longest time because of the name

Like he was a late 19th-century philosopher who inspired the formation of labor unions and was also a dog person

>>90921379
Either he'll push this case till his funds run out and Disney squashes him, or they'll placate him with a small settlement of a couple mil outside of court and brush the whole thing under the rug.

No way this guy can win, regardless how airtight his case is. You just don't fuck with the Mouse.

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>>90922141
It's Lion King all over again. Disney ripped off Kimba the White Lion and fused it with the cliff notes for Hamlet.

>>90941867
There is zero chances of this taking off lol and youre delusion if you think so.
It's no secret that Disney rips off other people's work, its just that they are smart enough to keep quiet about it. Even Jorge Guiterez didn't say shit when they ripped off his idea for The Book of Lift

>>90942347
Not really. With Lion King, they pulled Blizzard
>They wanted to make their own adaptation
>There was a falling out and the rights were lost/never acquired
>Well we made all theses assets for it already so just rearrange some stuff and sell it as our own product

Who cares, whatever settlement they're looking for is peanuts to disney corp.
Not that who ever is filing ever gets a cent if their lawyer army has anything to say about it.

>>90930721
>Why would anyone want X to be in the right in a copyright infringement case?
It's a good thing emotions and feelings are irrelevant in court.

>>90935792
Why wouldn't it be legal? That's the industry standard in most content creation and industrial industries. An employee working for a company that creates content or designs is assumed to create them for the company. The other option is every single ex-employee suing for their creations that aren't explicitly contracted.

>>90942539
>Book of Lift
Sounds like something /fit/ reads.

But seriously, there's no rip off when it's about a holiday and cultural music is involved.

>>90942734
Sounds like the Archie Sonic legal troubles: Someone made characters and concepts while working for Archie and what should be an open and shut case, Archie is a disorganized mess and they couldn't find the standard legal papers everyone signs to make sure everything created there belongs to the publishers.

>>90921379
I want to fuck that rabbit more than I want to fuck that squirrel so clearly this guy deserved to get his ideas stolen

>>90942845
I wonder if knotability of characters will be argued in court? Will they gather witness testimony from people who would dick the Nick and lewd the Jude but wouldn't fuck the squirrel or hyena?

>>90921379
Is it true that Disney sued a daycare because the owner was painting pictures of Mickey Mouse on the walls, or is that bullshit?

Also, that fur camel-toe on that Cheetah.

>disney cucks on suicide watch ITT
That's what happens when you shill for an artistically bankrupt company that has been stealing shit from other for decades

Zootopia is an overrated piece of shit too

>>90923293
He said sit on it. A sequel that took 13 years to come out is even a bit excessive for sitting on it, that's putting it on ice and finding it serendipitously in a freezer cleanout territory.

>>90943399
They threatened to sue, and Universal offered to replace the figures with their characters instead to make Disney look like assholes.

>>90940587
>Lion king was based more on shakespeare's Hamlet
No personal offense, but I really feel like I usually see people that have neither seen Kimba nor read Hamlet beyond loose descriptions saying this. Lion King shares a few things with Hamlet like "king's brother murders king" and "ghost dad" but also cuts so many other things so central to the Hamlet story, like the Oedipus complex, Ophelia's insanity, Yorick, Laertes, Polinius and his murder, Fortinbras and everything with Norway, etc. I'm not denying that there are still similarities, but I really feel like there are just a couple more direct similarities with Lion King and Kimba and that people who say "Lion King is just Hamlet with lions" don't know what the fuck they are talking about. I'm still okay with Lion King being inspired by both Kimba and Hamlet.

I don't see this lawsuit really going that far. A lot of the comparisons between Goldman's pitch and the final movie seem pretty coincidental - considering how much Zootopia changed over its development too I doubt they changed it last minute to match Goldman's pitch.

The only thing that really stood out to me was the similar dialogue excerpt, but that is contingent on the context within the script and could also just be coincidental.

>>90941757
>future Zootopia threads

there wont be any, the movie is done.

>>90944406
>don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
Probably Scar being the exact same villain as the one in Hamlet
>Kill brother for power
>Gets his land
>Gets his wife

>>90945033
That's like half the kings ever.

>>90921379
>Disney faces lawsuit for allegedly ripping off writer-producer Gary L. Goldman's concept titled "Zootopia"
ftfy for clarity

>>90944406
And TLK2 being Romeo and Juliet. And guess what they did for Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead (and probably mispelled)?

He seems to have a solid case but they will settle out of court. Everybody knows Disney steals like crazy, nothing new

>>90930325
The cheetah's the only I think they should have kept.
I still wouldn't have watched the fucking music video credits, but still.

>>90922933
Tenacious D.
Specifically, watch the Kickapoo scene.

>>90945033
Scar is also the same villain from Kimba:
>tan lion with black mane
>wonky eye
>name is Claw
>wants to usurp the land from the young protagonist so he can become king
>bumbling stupid hyena comic relief henchmen

Also Scar never ended up fucking Sarabi, or even really getting her to follow him. Their one interaction in the movie was Scar trying to bully Sarabi and she stood pretty defiant of and disgusted with him, telling him he was doing a shit job of being king. Their relationship was nothing like Gertrude and Claudius's, where Gertrude was all over Claudius's dick.

Interestingly, Disney did end up cutting a scene where Scar tries to seduce Nala and she rejects him, which is also coincidentally(?) in Kimba, where Claw hits on Kimba's young girlfriend Kitty, to her dismay.

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>>90921379
So did Goldman register his work with the Copyrights Office?

If not, most courts consider that to be theprima facie evidence for who owns the copyrights.

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>>90945578
He did, but not until February 2017.

Strange, huh?

>>90945033
Again, I'm not gonna pretend that Lion King isn't like Hamlet, especially if you want to condense them down into a very basic 1 sentence summary like "Lion King and Hamlet are two stories where a king is murdered by his brother and his son, the young prince, must avenge him." But don't pretend you can't do the same thing with Kimba by saying "Kimba and The Lion King are two stories about lion cubs who inherit their jungle kingdoms upon their good king fathers' untimely murders and have to learn how to be good kings for their animal friends."

And then after that, you'll find a lot more 1:1 similarities with Lion King and Kimba, especially design-wise, and mostly vague superficial similarities with Lion King and Hamlet like "well, the protagonists from both also have two goofy male buddies, a love interest, and a wise old man advisor type guy" and a more specific similarity: "a scene where ghost dad king shows up to give the protagonist advice"- but all these things also all happen to be in Kimba as well. If anything, Kimba also probably took some inspiration from Shakespeare.

>>90946736
Simba = Kimba

they hould at least change the name, it apparently appeared in one of the letters from the studio iirc.

>>90929892
No. It happens constantly. Usually they get laughed out of court after they're forced to explain why nobody else could have had the same bland idea.

>>90929848
>Disney literally wrote the laws on copyright.


Stop this freeman-on-the-land bullshit.

Disney was one of a large group of companies arguing that corporate ownership of copyrights in the US should be lengthened, as corporations can easily outlive individuals, so a one-size solution was going to disadvantage corporations. Of course they felt that way. Jobs were on the line. Huge investments at parks and studios and beyond employing tens of thousands of Americans and generating revenue for all kinds of third party businesses were on the line, so of course that argument was a consideration. "Why can't Disney just come up with a new Mickey?" isn't an argument, it's a question - the answer is "because Mickey is a brand built up through constant investment over decades in a way that an individual could never have managed, because it required a corporate structure to delegate all that work and manage problems with the brand".

If you've got a US copyright you want to take advantage of in that way, all you need to do is form a company and assign your rights over the copyright to that company. Then company time limit then applies, not the personal limit. It's what literally every person who isn't a goddamned fucking retard does.

The whole reason the US was strengthening its copyright laws in the first place was because it wanted to be a signatory to the Berne Convention which would protect the rights of US individuals and corporations overseas, where the US has no jurisdiction, and the US had at that time particularly weak protection of rights compared to pretty well anywhere you want to name.

The actual proposed changes to the law were debated and amended (you can read the transcripts online) through a bicameral house before being passed by both houses and adopted into law.

>>90946828
They actually get away with that part pretty well because Simba is just the Swahili word for Lion. Lion King uses other Swahili words too, but Kimba doesn't.

>>90949678
Go to bed

>>90949678
Lion King is still a knockoff. Not a cheap knockoff, though. So you at least have that going for you. :)

>>90949678
i want tripfags to LEAVE

>>90946828
Apparently even the people working on it (including at least one of the voice actors) thought it was a Kimba project for a while.

>>90939818
>too heavy for children

More like too close to reality. The original treatment of Zootopia was more like Harrison Bergeron and white privilege.

>>90937030
Ignore him.
Mr. Jap is the most vile of Disneyfags on 4chin. It's pathetic, really.

>>90945578
How long until your pic related is our future?
Disneyfags are so rabid I wouldn't count this future out.

>>90932287
Are you sure? I'm in the UK, and Zootopia is called Zootropolis over here because there's a Danish themepark called Zootopia so they couldn't use the name.

>>90936448
Did it ever occur to you that two people/studios can be copying each others work?

>>90922133
And they didn't have to pay one red cent for Kimba the White Lion, even though there was IMHO a much stronger case there.

>>90957386
How does Disney always manage to get away with this shit anyway?

If DreamWorks did something like this (assuming the writer's claims here are true) the internet would rip them to shreds. But because its Disney... meh, the house of mouse always deserves the benefit of the doubt.

>>90957859

Money. They can literally keep paying and keeping shit bogged down until the guy coming after them is broke and ruined.

>>90955540
Names are trademarked, not copyrighted

>>90959129
they're still going on /trash/, but it's shifted gears much more towards OC stuff like any long running generals

>>90959266
Well with Zootopia 2 pretty much confirmed in the works, hopefully they'll be revived.

>>90921379
didn't they get sued by some french guy over finding nemo too?

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>>90958204
>>90959311

>tfw Gisnep promised to free you from your prison but because the first film made so much money and won an Oscar they need you to make sequels

>>90921379
Funny considering the version of zootopia we got is like the 5th or so rewritten version

>>90959546
>original version too dark
>need to re-write it in time for its release
>have only about a year
>see that the writer of Total Recall pitched a highly similar idea
>quietly steal from him
>makes re-write go a lot smoother than normal
>ends up with a great film in crunchtime

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Do you guys find it funny that people are claiming that pic related is a ripoff of Zootopia when someone is claiming Disney ripped off his idea for Zootopia?

>>90961129
Everything is ripoff of something. There are no original ideas, just the same ideas done with slightly different coats of paint.

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>>90959311
>Zootopia 2

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Wow Disney is BONED this guy owns the rights to anthropomorphic animals. 'Sing' is done for too!

>>90963303
pls giv

>>90961129
doesn't help that the movie is generic garbage.

>>90964142
>tfw you invented the letter "S" and get not recognition for it.
I didn't even need the letter now.

>>90964142
Oh no.
https://youtu.be/wZfXd2JWAJA

>>90965009
This is hilarious

>>90964142
I hate it when stupid people with unoriginal ideas think they're geniuses.

>>90956888
>>90937701
I don't even know what you are saying at all.
We all know that they got the license after Tezuka died.
Tezuka Osameme released these Disney copied shit without their consent back then.
No wonder he's called just a doujin artist.

>>90965136
>I don't even know what you are saying at all
Did you just admit to being an idiot?

>>90937504
Disney's massive sway over copyright law directly created the conditions that Monsanto has thrived in.

totally off-topic, but I find it hilarious that Monsanto used to make Disneyland attractions.

>>90922786
They were also never able to buy the rights to the original Wizard of Oz movie. Also, thanks to their contributions to every new copyright law being made, the original Wizard of Oz movie never gets into the public domain. During production of Oz the Great and Powerful they had to walk on SO many eggshells in order to not get sued.

I miss how I felt when the movie first came out and the zoot threads were popular.

I remember hearing about something like this happening with the Sonic comics, where a professional with a pretty decent resume turned out to be a complete psycho, and filed an idiotic lawsuit.

>>90966565
We do not say his name here.

>>90965192
At this point, do you really have to reply?
I mean, unless you're extremely bored, which I can understand.

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>>90922241
Hey, now that I think about it, that cheetah kinda looks familiar...

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Can someone give a summary of this whole thing?

I can't seem to understand it clearly aside from Goldman suing Disney for copyright infringement of Zootopia.

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>>90966652
>>90966565

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>>90965543

you can always go to desuarchive and relive these moments,I'd suggest you to find new movie/cartoon to obsess over, Zootopia is done.

>>90930721
If Disney loses this case that means no more Zootopia merch, movies, or really anything produced by Disney associated with the movie. I dont care who wins or loses but Disney has a strong reason to not only fight this but make an example out of the guy.

>>90967382
essentially his argument is that he invented the idea of anthropomorphism (animals behaving like humans), the idea of using different animals as a metaphor for class stratification, the name zootopia and very bare bones visual motifs, like big animals being big and strong and small animals being smaller.

if this sounds absolutely fucking insane to you then you are the 99% of people who think this guy is a retard and also don't belong on /co/ which is apparently filled with the 1% of people who think his claim has any merit at all.

>>90923673

>work for a company
>copyright all the new characters you add to their comics

absolute mad man

>>90967889

Disney have Marvel, Star Wars,Frozen, Pixar library, Cars,Toy Story, losing Zootopia wouldn't change much for Disney in the terms of money.This movie was going to be a disaster anyway, why bother.

>>90968201
Because once you lose one it creates a precedent to lose more. Marvel and Star wars they own the complete rights too but how many times do you see some chuckle fuck say that one of those movies stole from their fan fic. As someone already pointed out a lot of the Pixar movies are close in concept to other movies and shorts. Losing this case would be blood in the water for anyone that even has a mild claim that Disney stole from them. Now imagine Disney getting hit with hundreds if not thousands of copyright claims all at once, they are going to have to settle more often and quicker just to have time to address them all. Then when people see that Disney just settles more people will make claims with weaker cases causing Disney to spend even more resources dealing with them. Or Disney can just make an example out of this guy and make everyone scared to sue. Besides why would they want to let go of a billion dollar property that won an academy award that has an open setting perfect for more movies and TV shows?

>>90965450
I get the Futurama joke now.

>>90932679
We aren't love anymore, but we're not dead inside yet.

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>>90921379
>They stole my original idea of using talking animals in a cartoon

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>>90921379

>Implying any major, deathless corporation can be held to any kind of law or lawsuit (Disney being one out of many)

Corporations are ruthlessly efficient, deathless machines. Disney has stolen material in the past, wouldn't put it behind me that they would do it again or have, who would challenge the great Golden God Corporate Kingdoms of the modern age and have their lives ruined by squinty eyed inhuman lawyers and boisterous inhuman CEO's.

>>90921379
That cheetah's kinda hot, desu

>>90968342

>Academy Award
Thanks for reminder Oscars are a joke.

>>90922364
Disney is pretty bad kid.

I don't think they have a single original story under their belt and bank on relatively good animation quality.

>>90922447
hi

are you enjoying your daily starcuck thread?

>>90922133
This isn't their first rodeo. This isn't the first time they've done something this blatant and gotten away with it.

They were fools to use the name, though. That might get him a settlement right there.

Did they ever get in trouble for Aladdin and Lion King?
Both were obvious copies from other movies, and in Aladdins case their animator had straight up stolen material from another company.

>>90921379
>Suing Disney

You gonna arm wrestle God next?

>>90970792
The actual documentary about the film Aladdin is copied from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aidc7gS1-II

>>90923258
>easily debunked by actually watching Kimba.
>watching Kimba
>easy

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>>90955103
Sooner than you think.

>>90967631
>>90965543

threads went to shit in april anyway.nothing to miss actually.