YRYQ: You Rage You quit

>>90898065
All these ever do is make me want to groan of face palm at the stupidity of them, but they never make me angry.

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>>90898065
Samurai Jack has reminded me how high animators can set the bar. It's a nice breath of fresh air when we've had shows like Teen Titans Go and Steen Universe just shoving it down as far as they can.

Just for fusk sake.

>>90898065
Already lost

Is this a primary school board? Reminds me off the stuff I would see around school when I was around 4-10 years old.

>GSM
>M
>minority

ugh

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>>90898118
>tfw consistency is a social construct and storyboards are oppressive and restrict "the creative freedom of the animators"

>>90898161
i love this show, but by god this is cancer

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>>90898065
Oh damn, are these threads unbanned now?

>>90898130
>can't tell if it was made by 10 year old kids or 30 something manchilds
That was my first reaction

>>90898118
Gumball is pretty much the only well animated show on CN right now.

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>>90898187
Yet they can't resist bitching about how "hard" it is

>>90898161
Just make a character height chart for reference for the animators/storyboarders. Not that difficult.

>>90898216
ugh, like honestly sugar watch your children

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>>90898065
I FUCKING LOOOOOOOOOOSE! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>90898216
Don't most CN shows outsource to Korean animation sweat-shops?

>>90898216
>Koreans aren't robots

Ha ha, nice try, buddy.

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>>90898223
>tfw they adopt an entirely new style just for one song because it's about a character with down syndrome and it's makes the scene perfect
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGriq74Ggpo

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>>90898065
All I can think of when I see that.

>>90898118
>>90898161

OP here, I sure love it what they waste $300,000 to make fine quality inconsistency

>>90898258
Weight hold the fucking phone, SU fucking OUTSOURCES its animation? What other sources do this?

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>>90898065
This part I can agree with. Amethyst is sex.

>>90898161
>standing on a stool to reach a counter he previously could reach fine

Holy shit, that is pretty stupid. I usually hand wave away the fluctuating proportions, but bringing an actual stool into the mix is too hard to ignore. That brings it to a point where you have to ask how can the in-universe character not notice or care that he is shrinking?

>>90898065
>it's spelled with a "z" now
I thought that re-purposed '70s futurist garbage was try-hard enough when it was spelled with an "x"

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>>90898279
Oh you fucker, if I have ever have a conversation with people about LGBT stuff Im gonna be biting my lip trying to not bust a nut thinking of Shadow.

God damn it.

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>>90898329
it's not canon it's just bad animation. Steven's age changes depending on how he feels but he doesn't change height. He should look like a fucking toddler standing on that stool but instead he's just small with no feature change

And that fact is completely dismissed when shit goes down. Like, he doesn't shrink when he's scared or grow when he's angry. The only time the "he changes based on his mental state" comes into play outside the episode it was introduced is when people are defending the atrocious animation

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OP here, I got another one

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>>90898329
The gem that controls his size did it.

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>>90898212
>>90898272
>that scene where they slowly broke down the animation process until the characters were written on sticky notes
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYJAYUf1BN4

>>90898390
I wouldn't mind Amy's strap moving because she could always just shrug it up or down. But yeah, the color is just wrong so that is a flub.

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>>90898212
Pretty much

>>90898438
>they fucking filmed the storyboard

fucking kek

Got a fresh one for you guys
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-03-20/power-rangers-film-includes-1st-big-screen-lgbt-superhero/.113671

New Power Rangers are autistic and gay

>>90898216
Look Ian, the Koreans will draw EXACTLY what you tell them to. Send them models with giant hair or tiny stature, that's what you'll get back.

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>>90898438

>>90898447
they regularly forget to draw their damn gems too, it's just really lazy/talentless

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>>90898490
>all the animation is our sourced overseas
>a single guest animation not only meets the standards of the temporary style but is better than everything in SU combined
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvks9zNnNHc

>>90898539
mama sugar needs to watch her children

>>90898118
>gets kicked up
>falls back and to the left

>>90898506
Wasn't the blue ranger already gay?

>>90898567
I will never forget the reaction of my little sister watching this scene for the first time. She knows nothing about anime and she just flipped out that this scene came out of nowhere. She was so happy and excited for that scene and wouldn't stop talking about it for weeks.

>>90898490
>They hired that one guy who did a short video on YouTube and porn of Gumball

The madmen.

>>90898506
red power ranger did gay porn

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REMEMBER FUSION ISN'T SEXUAL

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO AGENDA BEING PUSHED IN THIS SHOW

THIS IS COMPLETELY NORMAL TO HAVE IN A CHILDREN'S SHOW

>>90898647
No they didn't, they hired Studio 4°C to do it. Trigger was their first choice though.

>>90898390
Meh, the color change is a goof, it happens to the best of animations.

SU animation has many more significant issues than that.

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>>90898578
>back and to the left
Oliver pls

>>90898065
how is something with the word "gender" under sex? Also, how do you identify as transgender? I thought people just identified as male or female and consequently fell under the trans label.
I'm starting to think tumblr might be stupid and/or children.

>>90898675
Damn. It looks just like the dude's Nicole.

>>90898438
>that anime fight

so good

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>>90898065
Is it implying that Lapis Lazuli is every one of those sexualities?

Bueno...

>>90898161
Anyone got the image showing the shrinking Peridot?

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>>90898675
I can just picture CN asking them who they wanted to animate the scene and then googling "Studio Trigger" and seeing pic related and telling them to pick literally anyone else

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>>90898664
I'm not sure who's more autistic. The ones pushing the agenda, the ones coming up with shitty reasons denying the existence of the agenda when the creators themselves openly state it, the ones claiming that there are large amounts of people denying rather than celebrating the agenda, or the faggots who call plot motifs and overall themes "agendas" like we're in the Fox News forums.

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>>90898750
>no agenda

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>>90898664
>still don't understand what the agenda is.

>>90898188
honestly can't get mad at that when you can so barely see the drawing of Spike
And it's not like Cowboy Bebop is some kind of sacred artistic holy grail either

>>90898065
finally petridot is a gender

>>90898749
Who gives a shit? This is such a useless post I can't even be mad at it, it's the most milquetoast of insistances that only makes sense if you only spend your time posting on /v/.

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>>90898734

I only have this one

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>>90898749
>Or a hardcore gamer who sometimes forgets to sleep (not that I ever do that)

>>90898216
fun fact
a robot would do a better job than anyone in the crewniverse could

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>>90898826

>FINAL FORM

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>>90898788
The underlying themes of the show are indeed femininity and playing with sexuality, yes.

"Agenda" implies that this is somehow covert, as if it's possible to read the show any other way, as if the show is somehow a front for this Trojan horse ideology rather than the show being the ideology.

Steven Universe is a show about queers and faggots being really sexual and emotional. Everything else in the show is built around that premise. It's not an agenda, it's what the show is.

>>90898438
>Black Kid is barely in the commercial

>>90898749
>A man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king.
I don't understand why there's so much of a focus on identity politics in 'nerd culture'. This shit is as stupid as dudes who say no-one with more than one X chromosome can be a gamer. It's fucking retarded and misses the whole point, which is the fucking games themselves.

>>90898798
>And it's not like Cowboy Bebop is some kind of sacred artistic holy grail either

LOST SO FUCKING HARD

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>>90898118
Yup. Pic related is steven universe in a nutshell

>>90898929
>It's fucking retarded and misses the whole point, which is the fucking games themselves.

Welcome to a post GG gaming culture. /v/ has shit in the proverbial web so hard that now gaming itself has become a political tool.

>>90898065
Why do people get upset over this shit?

>>90898965
I'm just gonna play Witcher and then the new Zelda/Elder Scrolls games and then I think that's it for me.

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Reminder that Disney World decided to waste those millions of dollars building a James Cameron Avatar Land tied to a movie no one cares about anymore instead of making a cool attraction like Beastly Kingdom with a unicorn hedge maze or dragon horde roller coaster.

>>90898161

>All the tall stevens are from early in the show's run

Wow, it's almost like the show has undergone a shift in art-style over the course of its run like literally every long running animated series ever. JFC you mother fuckers are either too autistic to be posting here or not enough, I can't make up my mind.

>>90898664

Genuinely, who gives a shit.

>>90898898
>Steven Universe is a show about queers and faggots being really sexual and emotional.

Normally this would be fine but this is a kids show on a kids channel.

Why the fuck would you make a kids show about queers and faggots being sexual and emotional?

>>90898984
OP here, it must be a classic example of Facism

>>90898984
Because it's seeping into everything and I just don't care. Everybody is flipping their shit and I just want to not care in peace. I don't support men who think they're women. They try to act like it's completely natural and should be enabled but it's not and shouldn't.

>>90898965
Games, and media in general, have been used as political tools since the Epic of Gilgamesh. The role of a medium is to allow artists to express themselves, and political messages are just another form of expression.

The issue, here, comes when the political messages being invoked are done in a way that damages the product itself.

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>>90899016
To make kids gay dipshit.

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>>90898798
>Original pencil drawing by the GOD DAMN CHARACTER DESIGNER HIMSELF isn't a relic compared to some fcking 9-5rs CalArts rejected character concept

>>90899044
No, go away, everyone hates you and your insect-like kind.

>>90899016

What's the difference between this and Danny Cocksucking Phantom trying to take the goth girl to MAKE OUT POINT or whatever tf?

>>90899042

>doesn't care
>Makes incessant threads about it on jap cartoon boards.

Pick one.

>>90898664

>REMEMBER FUSION ISN'T SEXUAL
>THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO AGENDA BEING PUSHED IN THIS SHOW
>THIS IS COMPLETELY NORMAL TO HAVE IN A CHILDREN'S SHOW

Anon, have you been watching E;R video?

>>90899042
Exactly. I don't give a shit of there are men that act like women or vice versa. You know why? Because they are rare.

We should be teaching kids how to handle their emotions and how boys should act like men and how girls should act like women. Because even though I don't care if there are those small "glitches" in the millions of people in our society, I don't feel like pushing the mental disorder onto children and pretending its normal.

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>>90899042
There are no transgender men in SU. They're "genderless" aliens that are basically an entire race of lesbians. Any "transgender" men in this proposed scenario run far and fast and burrow into caves for their own safety.

>>90899079
First of all they are both kids. I could handle the fusion between Connie and Steven but now Steven is fusing with adults.

>>90898065
When did schools get this dumb? I mean it's normal to see cartoon characters painted on the side of the daycare, but I never recall them being posted on the school.

>>90899151

sex and fusion are not a 1-to-1 metaphor unless you think Ruby/Sapphire are in the throes of orgasm 100% of the time.

>>90899044
t. Pol Pot

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>>90899042
>says he doesn't care
>proceeds to explain why he in fact does care

It's okay to just not like something and admit it.

>>90898161
How tall is Steven again? I could've sworn he was the same height as Amethyst, but around Pearl's and Garnet's Waistline.

>>90898749
>I'm driving this ship
Brace for impact!

>>90899219
They have the worst relationship in the show. They are codependent to the point of having panic attacks when they are separated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh2Tx50mldM

>>90899044
You autists should be locked away, god.

>>90898118
Except TTG is a product like those crappy 80's toy cartoons that only really hurt Cyborg's recognition and SU is what people think the current zenith of western animation is.

>>90899295
the flirting is way to heavy for a kids show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJGwkfMQtLY

>>90898749
Why is this Cringe? The chick who loves anime and draw fanart was always the obnoxious one. Only Black and Latino artists are usually mellow.

>>90899263

Steven has gotten shorter over the course of the series, there might be some bullshit canon explanation for it, there might be some people who tell you it's an error, but the fact of the matter is the style of the show has shifted to depict the short characters as shorter. Amy/Steve/Peridot are all consistently roughly the same height.

>>90899295

Yeah, and I hope they address that at some point, if they don't it will have been a mistake, but it's not like every other character in the show isn't damaged in their own demonstrable way so what's the problem?

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>>90898408
>Thanks Scott Pilgrim and Adventure Time, and 80s-90s anime
I'm out

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>>90898408
>ifunny
OP truly is an underage b& /b/ reject.

The thing on the right is a character from some shitty kate leth comic. She claims she didn't know about the left image before making said comic.

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>>90899042

This thing you are doing is the exact opposite of not caring, anon.

>>90899357
>>90899016
Kids watch SU?

>>90899354
exactly, I'd be fine if the fans admitted that the animation sucked ass

but they are convinced that the show is the epitome of cartoons in every fucking aspect. The shit story is somehow amazing. The lazy animation is somehow groundbreaking. The characters are well written instead of being horrible on dimensional and boring.

There is a reason why no one goes to SUG to discuss SU

>>90898898
It's covert to the kids watching it because they don't know what the fuck sexual subtext is, half of them don't even know what's going on and just like bright colors and funny faces.

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>>90898949
I remember that

"'Why doesn't he just use the sword if its such a good weapon?'Said bismut while the samurai's eyes were glowing red as he was screaming bloody murder"

Pearl could have just said "The sword is making him crazy or something"

Were they retarded or something?

>>90898065

Despite some tumblr bullshit here and there im mostly ok with this.

>>90899438
Not anyone, SU is never on TV

>>90898118
I loved the q and a before the premier where Genndy had the same sentiment.

>>90899491
I mean Japan (especially CLAMP) has been doing this shit for years. They just don't make a big thing about it.

>>90898325
This is how you know 4chan has lost it. This should have been the first fucking reply.

>>90899480

>Bismuth okay with the hero character using a powerful weapon even though it makes him villainous.

Does your dislike of this show make you unable to detect incredibly basic thematic foreshadowing or something?

For a bunch of cock loving faggots people here sure get worked up over some LGBT talk,

>>90899534
>Fucking Grimace in drag
This damn board, I swear

>>90899384
The only explanation I can see for Peridot being shorter is that she's regressing from adult woman working a dead end job to man child.

It's sorta related to how Japser went from hardened soldier to sex addict.

>>90898065
Welp I lost.

>>90899606

Do you think they have anything better to do

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Guys, its called "you rage you quit", not "you rage you fucking have an autsitic shit fit"

Ok I'll quit now bye

>>90899534
Return to /trash/. It's where you belong.

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>>90899620
>he wouldn't fuck Grimace in drag
What are you non-American? If so get off my board and let me have my mcnuggies

>>90898266
I mean I kinda agree that female characters should be able to be varied and not always be strong confident do no wrongs but I don't give a shit about race or it breaking stereotypes or whatever. I just think it would be more interesting to see.

>>90898664
>The shitshow that ensued when a black writer pointed out that SU perpetuates harmful race/gender dynamics, like having Pearl always taking the feminine role in fusion dances or having the fusion made from the one with the afro and the one that speaks in ebonics be a giant purple uncontrollable monster
Like, these are facts about how the show handled certain elements. Just because it's really good at reflecting what LGBT people want to see in a show doesn't mean it's any good at not fucking up race like every other piece of media made in America by a white person.
>But muh IJQ
He's African it's different.

>>90898408
I like this OC...

>>90898788
You're missing the joke here.
>Agenda
>Agender

>>90898065
>quit
>can't even get beginner tier 4chan lingo right
Newfag spotted, lurk more.

>>90899517
Hipsters and neckbeards don't watch TV

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>>90898438
Never bothered watching Gumball; I had no clue that the humor for this cartoon was so fucking dark and genuinely funny. I just assumed it was more lelrandumb shit for kids.

Going to binge it this week for sure.

>>90899079
Because Danny is performing a social and biologically approved action. Such behaviour is normal and very much the norm spanning 99% of the worlds actions.
Faggot shit isn't.
>inb4 there's loads of faggot shit
a) if you can't record it don't pretend it's real/quantifiable
b) don't pretend the rest of the world encourages and wallows in degeneracy like the western world. It's not normal globally no matter how small a dent it's made in the west.

>>90898065
This person has likely failed their student teaching

>>90899775
kys irl

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>>90898065
I'm going to be honest, I didn't know what 'pansexual' was up until now. I never bothered to look into it, I just never cared enough. And what a fucking surprise, it's completely redundant.

>>90899738
>>90899620
That's not the fucking point.

>>90899831
Gumball is seriously the only good cartoon left on CN

>>90899847
>It's a "/pol/tard decides the rest of the world outside of the west matters again" episode

>>90898796
Agenda is an intent to see something done. The covert nature is being purely ascribed by your limited use of the word, you fucking retard.

Are weekly meetings covert? Why the agenda.

>>90898506
Are you fucking retarded? Power Rangers was trying to be as diverse as possiblr from its conception, that's why they had a token black, asian and native american.

>>90898212
They have a very good style, too.

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>>90899888
>And what a fucking surprise, it's completely redundant.
That's not even where the redundancy ends. There are literally dozens more variants of sexual orientation terms floating out there, and they're all useless.

>>90898118
Samurai Jack reminds me how much we were conditioned to accept shit shows.
I don't know about you guys, but after SJ is over I refuse to be content with garbage.

>>90899831
The very first episode has Gumball and his siblings dropping from high in the air and, halfway through explaining a ridiculous plan to avoid slamming face-first the ground, slamming face-first into the ground.

It was immediately evident that this show was going to be gold.

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>>90898929
Looks like I found the underage feminist.

>>90898788
I'm I not allowed to think crossdressing is funny anymore, I laughed at this scene but both Tumblr and 4chan think him crossdressing was a serious thing

>>90899970
Shame it sort of started to go downhill as it went on still better then Steven Universes art

>>90900034
Same, I honestly don't know why I've put up with most modern cartoons for so long and I honestly feel bummed

>>90898929
I say this every day until I make it my reality.

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>>90899947
>"it's a fucking retard is actively weakening the west while the rest of the world licks its lips collectively and then pretends that the rest of the world outside the west doesn't matter" episode
>"it's a lefty who says everyone matters and all cultures are special but also only the west is good and progressive enough to matter" episode

Which is it faggot? Does only the West matter? If so we'd better stop sending aid and taking 'refugees', because they're an objective drag on progress. The only excuse to take them is because they matter in a broader sense.
Now, if the the rest of the world does matter perhaps it's time to accept that your view which are in contention in the west still are out right despised by the rest of the world. If their cultures and lifestyles matter so much to you, perhaps it's time to consider why they want you extinguished almost unilaterally across Asia, Africa and the ME?

>>90899079
Danny Phantom wasn't trying to be progressive when he tried taking the girl to Make Out Point. He just wanted to get laid. Can't blame him since lives in the Hartman universe, where women are thick teasing sluts.

>>90898993
This was a contractual obligation. Cameron was supposed to come out with new movies by now. Big Projects tend to have a lot of inertia and they probably hit the point where it would cost more money not to make.
They will more than offset the cost with Star Wars land. Universal did something similar with their Islands of Adventure.

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>>90899592
Not using an ultimate weapon because it can harm yourself is different than that stupid-ass "BOO HOO IF YOU KILL YOUR ENEMY YOURE NO BETTER THAN THEM" trope.

>>90898993
Disney is playing mind games with you. They're setting it up for the Avatar sequel. This is why you're not an executive.

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obligatory

>>90899592
Im left wondering why didn't pearl just say "The sword is making him evil" instead of "silly human nonsense, pay no attention" and im also left wondering why im supose to root for these guys

>>90900259
That sequel is about a decade too late. That's not going to sell either.

>>90898984
It's just unnecessary and ridiculous at this point. It's everywhere. Why are people so infatuated with their pathetic identities and meat bodies? Is it really the end of the world if someone mislabels you, instead of using the made-up and useless term "xer"?

>>90900161
Not that anon but none of it really matters because we've already doomed ourselves.

The world, the economy, the environment and the weather are all falling apart and everything is going to shit within the next 100 years.

>>90900161
Culture isn't static. People change it just for the sake of not being like their parents.

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>>90898408
>no shitty nose shading

dropped

>>90899831
The first season is pretty hit or miss, but season 2 onwards is where the writing gets progressively better and the gags consistently more creative and insane.
There's a whole episode where Gumball's NEET dad getting a part-time job causes the fabric of reality to tear apart and it's fucking glorious.

>>90900034
Guess your gonna have to stop watching cartoons then. until OK KO comes out

>>90898750
There is no agenda.
Nobody is complaining about agendas, when 9 year old Isabella gets moist on bright daylight over Phineas.

The truth is, that liberal cartoonists often clash with conservative networks over how much they can get crap past the radar. It really is a cat and mouse game, and it doesn't involve just homosexual subtext, but since it is such an obvious elephant in the room, every cartoonists seems to take their potshots in it, which is frankly is annoying. Subtext is such a retarded concept, but making it blatant will get you the Courtney Gripling treatment.

If homosexuality finally becomes accepted in 50 years, it will die down and weed references will become the new "agenda"

>>90899246
>>90899431
They're explaining themselves to someone that asked.

Holy shit, I swear you fucking apes get dumber every day.

>>90900213
I'm not worried about this hurting them, I'm disappointed as a parkgoer that's missing out on all the potentially better ideas they could have gone with that I could have gotten to enjoy instead. I don't think I'd even want it if Avatar had become a successful film series by now. I didn't like the first film to begin with. And I know Disney got locked into making it before it became apparent it was going to lose relevancy, but I've considered it a bad idea from the start.

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>>90898438
>that episode where gumball fucked a hotdog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zjaeq1uOws

>>90900391
Nah, I'll just complain about it, like I always did.
Through with Samurai Jack, my complaints have got a new fresh fire to go with it.

Let the networks know that there is a demand for HQ cartoons. It's not like they care anyway.

>>90898065
You know what actually pisses me off about that?
Homosexuality:
>Sexual or romantic attraction
Pansexuality:
>Sexual and/or romantic attraction
Heterosexuality:
>Sexually attracted to

Stay fucking consistent ffs

>>90900430
>>90898438
>>90898272
OKAY PICKED UP

>>90900275
One day, I will become free of this fleshy existence and fight sick-ass demons in Hell where I belong. It'll be bad at first, sure, but eventually I think I'll either fade into nothing or become the sort of skelly that puts Doomguy to shame.

>>90900341
What point are you trying to make? If you're proposing there isn't a common thread in western culture and development across hundreds of years (and obviously more) because of superficial and in many cases cyclical change then you're a fool. Are you saying that culture is random? Is my country going to rng into Somali next generation suddenly? No. Nothing is static but dynamics does not indicate a lack of causality and sequence.
Fucking retard.

>>90900332
Nothing mattered anyway. If you want to play the logical conclusion game we're already confined to the resources of observable space and could never have gotten beyond that. We'd always have died in the heat death. You'll die no matter what you do.
You're approach to exestential certainty is to perform what amounts to collective sucide? Seems kind of retarded to do it marcrocosmically despite the fact you haven't come to the same mircocosmic conclusion and killed yourself already.

>>90900161
Anon I'm just going off the common /pol/ view. You (as in, the commin /pol/ viewpoint) can't go "b-but what about how they do it in AFRICA" then shitpost "WE WUZ NIGGERS AND SHEIT" in another thread.

It takes a special sort of pussified autism to be so scared that you stop believing in the strength of American/western culture. We aren't speaking Ching Chong and discussing the presidential affairs of tacoland. The rest of the world still follows our example, or they're so assmad about how strong the example is that they try and fight it. Even libtards and SJWs just add more to western culture, just more piss in the boiling pot.

I'd probably agree with /pol/ more if they weren't mouthbreathing retards that make /tv/ look like a place of civilized discorse.

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>>90898065
>transgender listed as a sex
NO! NO! This is not correct! This is factually wrong! Sex is based on chromosomes! REEEE!!!!!

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>>90900472
You drank the seawater didn't you.

>>90900403
>"subtext"

I'm not sure how dense you'd have to be to miss the two girls snuggling each other on screen. Even kids can pick up that these girls like each other. You can't "muh asexual spacerocks" your way out of what is blatantly being depicted.

>>90900425
The thing about Avatar is that it was very pretty but without substance, and I think that would translate well to a theme park.

>>90900472
I'd gladly forfeit whatever humanity I have left too, buddy.

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>>90898826
>tfw peri used to be so qt

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>>90900526
>judyposter
GET
THE
FUCK
OUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTT

>>90900478
>You (as in, the commin /pol/ viewpoint)
Not only are you trying to conflate an entire boards opinion to a single weak position but you're also assuming, and likely wouldn't hear a word otherwise, that I'm /pol/.
You won't answer my points about your own stance and you wouldn't listen to my opinion because 'I'm /pol/' and 'that's not /pol/'s opinion'. Are you off your tree?

None of this is about /pol/. It's about something you said and my response to them. Chase your spectors elsewhere. I am /his/

>>90900320
Because people label you without your permission and use it as an excuse to fuck with you. I made a thread on /r9k/ years ago announcing that I was black and that I was just going to mark "white" on my job applications from then on because I didn't trust them not to use that data against me. Most of the replies were inarticulately outraged; there was one reminding me that that data is used to show disparities that result in more robust social safety net support, and another that said something I can't remember (but that was also on the side of, "That's just going to hurt you in the long run.") As a furry, you'd better believe I'm all for just lining people up at a transmogrifier when they turn 18 and letting them have at it, but we're not there yet and we probably won't be in our lifetimes. Still crossing my fingers that VR/AR gets robust enough that identification based on physical attributes becomes obsolete. But until then we're going to have to continue dealing with the messy confluence of who I am and who you think I am and who I feel like I could be IF ONLY.

>>90900526
That's not the only factually wrong thing on that board. It was obviously made by a retard who needs to take a course in gender studies

>>90898065
What's the context of this? It looks like something a thirty-year-old with dyed hair would make to indoctrinate five-year-olds.

>>90898065
So did everyone in this thread lose?

>>90898065
Is this a school? This is not okay.

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>>90899620
This post confused me for a moment as I had read that as "Gromit in drag"

>>90898272
what have i been missing out on

>>90900602
>>90900638
I had assumed it was lefty autism and that it was up in some LGBT safe space in an university.
I had not even considered a school and to be frank the idea is horrifying.

When does the ride stop?

>>90900664
>Gromit in drag
don't give this board ideas, anon

>>90900684
I guess there's no way to source the image? Google isn't giving me anything. I NEED CONTEXT.

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>>90900012
>mfw my ex explained she was a 'demisexual' because she didn't want to have sex with random people

You can't make this shit up

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>>90900680
The only good remaining show on CN

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>>90900728
>You can't make this shit up
Yes you can, anon. Yes you fucking can. Just take a word that sums up a character trait, throw "sexual" as a suffix, and BOOM, a whole new sexuality has been added to a spectrum wide series mistakes.

>>90900781
>/gif/

Oh my

>>90900473
I'm saying that being afraid of how a culture will change in the future is futile because it's always happened and it will always happen. It goes from, "My dad wore boxers so I'm wearing briefs," and goes to, "Half the reason Southern and Northern Europe are so different is because Arabs invaded 700 years ago and brought civilization with them."

And there isn't a common thread running through the history of Western culture; it's a gigantic clusterfuck and is mostly distinguished by a (selective) adherence to the concept of human rights which we codified in a way that many other societies didn't (but which do still exist in some shape or form for them). Some of them got it even better than we did in some ways. Which leads to the point that, instead of resisting change and losing, you should be learning about other cultures and deciding for yourself the ideals that are important than you, and then aikidoing it into your overarching way of life.

>>90900597
"People" who? Surely not everyone does this, at least not knowingly. I doubt it's so widespread a problem a board needs to be made of it and posted in a classroom.

And are you really taking /r9k/ at heart, man? Wow. Not the greatest place for a well thought-out opinion. In high school, I marked "Black" and "Mexican" on my school's student progress studies for the lulz . It's not really hurting anyone, and if it benefits you, even better. Though...if you mark white on your job applications, and you show up..Won't they dismiss you right away?

My point is that all of these labels are divisive, rather than inclusive. You're telling people to choose one box, not the other, creating an 'us vs them' culture.

>>90898438
THEN HURRY UP

>>90899106
>We should be teaching kids how to handle their emotions and how boys should act like men and how girls should act like women

why should they though
what does that actually mean
are all actions rigidly sorted into this schema?

personally I think that we should do away with gender norms but stick to two pronouns just because it's easier to dress

let a nigga wear a dress and be called he without shame; it ain't hurting anyone at this point

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>>90898065
Well I guess I lost.
>Transgender
>Sex
>Literally has gender in the name
>tfw you are so divorced from reality with your specialized persecution complex you can't even remember your own bullshit correctly

>>90900728
as someone who does want to have sex with random people I don't see the issue with implementing a shorthand

>>90900844
OH SHIT

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hahaha hay guys i hate steven universe too am i cool now

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>>90900844
OP here, I don't know why people get Piss off that pic

>>90900925
The crazy thing is, that's not what demisexual means, man. A demisexual is a person who does not experience sexual attraction unless they form a strong emotional connection with someone.

>>90900952
You don't have to hate something to call out its flaws but yes you are a cool guy

>>90898438
Is Gumball better than Steven Universe?

>>90900908
>Literally has gender in the name

>meanwhile we still use the name atoms even though we proved you can, actually, split the bastards into smaller components

>>90900958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMt55fi7ZQQ
The joke is that throwing the chair causes people to fight

>>90900977
so
>being a female human
wew

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>>90900991
Easilly

>>90899847
just because the majority believes something doesn't mean it's right mate

also
>biologically approved action
surely all human actions are 'biologically approved' by virtue of a biological entity enacting them?

>>90900838
You suggesting that all change is the same though, in terms of outcome. This isn't the case. To pretend that the fact that it will change negates the potential choice of what it changes into is wrong.

>there isn't a thread running through western culture
There's no talking to you. If you GENUINELY believe that then why haven't random countries developed non-western cultures at random? Why are there major (and cosnistent over generations) psychosocial differences?
The only conclusion I can draw is that you have little idea about any of this and would just like to abandon responsibility. It doesn't matter, why should you care? Things will just happen anyway, it's all random.

Pretty pathetic tb//h

>resisting change
I never once said that. Further the idea that 'change' is always positive and forwards is demonstrably wrong. The idea that change is always fundemental is wrong too. There are loads of superficial changes that exist around a more static core of beliefs.

>>90900991
As a person who used to parade Steven Universe as the bastion of new media Yes in everything but potential

>>90898118
You know genndy likes SU right

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>>90900991

Gumball is too good for current CN

>>90900403
>If homosexuality finally becomes accepted in 50 years, it will die down and weed references will become the new "agenda"

You wish. Hopefully in 50 years degenerate pot heads like you will be sent to rehabilitation camps.

/co/mblr

>>90901017
Anything that makes em feel special, they're gonna use. Still, it 's funny how people who are hellbent of doing away with labels see fit to make up shit to differentiate themselves.

>>90901041
>The only conclusion I can draw is that you have little idea about any of this and would just like to abandon responsibility
maybe the nigga just has a different ethical philosophy to you

like he says that he cares, he mentions
>Which leads to the point that, instead of resisting change and losing, you should be learning about other cultures and deciding for yourself the ideals that are important than you, and then aikidoing it into your overarching way of life
he's saying that stagnation is bad, in essence

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>>90900844
I'M MAD

>>90901128
>people should be sent to camps for smoking a fucking leaf
how about

nah

>>90898883
I'm dead, god damn.

>>90901033
No. You can suggest that the majority doesn't make it right and I would agree with that in principle. However in this particular itteration lets look at what the 'majority' means. It is the human default to reproduce, herterosexually. It is our norm not just socially or as an opinion but biologically.
I predict forthcoming examples of animals with gay components of some of their populations but my response to that would be this: there are also animals with transmissable cancer. Just that something occurs doesn't make it beneficial or even 'natural' in the sense of the inteded outcome for that creature.

Being a fag is fine. I get that it happens. But it's like a t.v show encouraging bug parties where people give each other HIV. It's something to be understood not encouraged heedlessly.

>>90901144
Or are we /pol/ this week

>>90898647
As a huge Gumball fan, I can say this isn't true. But as a huge Gumball fan, I can also say I wouldn't be surprised.

>>90901203
bullshit im calling bullshit

>>90901023
>the emoji school of method acting
no thanks

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OP here, please forgive me, I thought this would have been a place of happiness, but turn into a clusterfuck of shit storm

>>90898798
Aaaand I'm out...

>>90901162
Stagnation isn't bad in essence. If that is his ethical philo then I'd like so see his justification for that. Dynamics and stasis are just states. Neither is inherently beneficial or detractive. Everything must be in response to surroundings and contexts. If you reach the perfect state to handle your environment but then change collectively because "PROGRESS YES!" then you've fucked up.
Adaption is the process of adressing that which warrants change, keeping things that work is as much a part of that as changing things that don't.

>>90898708
He did a crossover with his Nicole and the show's anime styled Nicole. https://my.mixtape.moe/cigtls.mp4

>>90900727
I assume it's a project made for a high school by the LGBT club.

>>90901212
>It is the human default to reproduce, herterosexually. It is our norm not just socially or as an opinion but biologically.

That's true. But rape, what we now consider rape, was a norm not too long ago, looking at it from a relative perspective. What is the norm at the current moment, even if the product of biology, can still be changed. That's been one of the major projects of civilisation since it's inception. The 'biological norm' holds no value on its own, that's a naturalistic fallacy.

>But it's like a t.v show encouraging bug parties where people give each other HIV.
Not necessarily. Encouraging acceptance of homosexuality =/= encouraging acceptance of disease transmission. I don't see necessary harm at this point in encouraging people to accept gay/bi/whatever people for their sexual orientation.

>>90898065
>gender is internally defined/defined by socially assigned characteristics

That's whats bothered me most about this kind of stuff. I'm more than okay with the fact that there are some people who legitimately don't feel right in their bodies. But with this gender stuff it seems like anyone who deviates from social norms can magically becomes part of the aforementioned minority. It's like they're defining themselves by their hobbies or the style of clothes they like to wear, making up new words for it, and then crying hate crime when you don't cater to them or make jokes about it.

Would this be narcissism or is it insecurity?

>>90900850
Yes. Implicit bias and prototyping/pattern recognition/etc. are hardwired into the structure of the human brain. Consciously or not, whenever you encounter new things, you compare them to things you already "know" about and build up a model of what that thing "is" which you use to make decisions in terms of how to regard it. You can't get away from it. It's a part of being human.

What you CAN do is change the way that process emerges, correcting for errors. For a benign hypothetical: you walk into the kitchen and find that it's a mess, and you're about to blow a gasket because you know it was your kid being irresponsible, but then you see him lying on the couch and remember that he's sick and probably had enough trouble just making food for himself. You had a situation that you thought would have warranted a certain course of action, based on passed experience, until you remembered a confounding variable that caused you to act more compassionately. I mean, that's generally why we educate ourselves: to learn how to handle situations intelligently (or diplomatically, if it's a social situation) where otherwise we'd be compelled to shake a rock over our head, ooking at the strange thing in front of us.

>>90899775
As in hipster ironically or genuinely?

How much I want to plummet you with a toaster is unchanged no matter which answer you choose

>>90898949

I really hated that episode. I felt she was shoe horned and everyone but steven pulled a 180 and started sucking her cock.

>>90901288
>If you reach the perfect state to handle your environment but then change collectively because "PROGRESS YES!" then you've fucked up.

Here is the issue, of course. The idea of the collective is a lie, I think. You can observe trends over a dataset, but change must happen on an individual basis. You will never get to a state where every individual agrees to stop doing something, stop changing, thus, stagnation will never be a good strategy. As even if you stop, the rest of the world will still keep moving.

>>90901161
I see that shit as a indicator on whenever or not they're self centered hypocrites

>getting angry at a cartoon

So...autism thread?

>>90901396
>was a norm not too long ago,
>what we consider rape
Depends on what you think 'we' consider rape to be and what 'we' agree occured. Was there a lot of crime and war where rape occured? Yes. Was rape EVER a primary source of reproduction, or even an influential one? No. If it WAS it'd like some conrete examples, please.
>naturalistic fallacy
Assuming anything holds value beyond the purpose of its use is fallacious. Thing is, natural norms are hardwired into our brains (for healthy people), we can alter VERY little of it. It's pretty much always going to be there. Heights, the dark, procreation, facial attending preference, you name it.

>fags aren't HIV
No shit. It's an analaog. They're both conditions people have. People cannot, past treatment, help their conditions. If they're controled in their containment of it why hate them? However, you shouldn't go out and encourage people to chase bugs or any other state that drags you away from the healthy norm. There is no reason

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>>90901068

>You know genndy likes SU right

[citation needed]

>But muh pilot!

You mean the pilot that look and sounds entirely diferent to the current show? The one that's on a whole other level of quality in every way to the current show? The one were he had little to do with? The one were it seemed it was going to go places?

That pilot?

>But i ask him at a Q&A and he said it was his favorite show!

He's savvy and will never say anything against other creator unless it's already a blacklisted creator (and even then he might not) becouse that's the sorth of thing that gets you blacklisted yourself, but he's no pleb, anyone with eyes can tell you SU is clusterfuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndA69KiffJE

>>90901529
So I guess you enjoy every comic/cartoon ever? That's nice.

>Science says climate change is real
>Neil deGrasse Tyson is a god
>Gender is a "social construct"

Look I respect transsexuals and their right to exist, but it's shit like this.......

>>90901396

>rape, was a norm not too long ago

In times of war pillaging. Otherwise, you're kind of full of shit.

>>90901603

There's a huge difference between not enjoying something and getting irrationally angry at a bunch of voice and animation.

I guess I'm not hypersensitive enough.

>>90901420
>plummet you with a toaster
Even aside from confusing "pummel" with "plummet", you can't act like an authority on what's embarrassing when your sense of humor is stuck in 2007.

>>90901614
>denies climate change is real

Whenever any /pol/tard pulls shit shit, I don't bother arguing with them anymore.

>>90901499
>The idea of the collective is a lie
A spook in certain imaginings yes, but collectives are facinatingly complex, even in animals. Look at Swarm Intelligence. It's a set of rules that make sense for the idividual. While they vary slightly in magnitude or execition each creature in the swarm naturally and rationally decides this is their best course of action. When in play with other creatures it creates a collective that is capable of reacting as a group.
Not all swarms are the same either. These are idiosyncratic rules that have developed and set in for years and years. Two birds can swarm entirely differently
While that is small scale it shows how, unwittingly, groups will move towards certain benefical collective ends without individual intent

>even if you stop the world keeps moving
Cool. Until it changes its interaction with you to a point where what you are isn't optimal, you're golden
Idealisation of change and demonisation of stagnation is basically mysticism

>>90901041
>You suggesting that all change is the same though, in terms of outcome.
I actually implied the opposite but okay.

>If you GENUINELY believe that then why haven't random countries developed non-western cultures at random? Why are there major (and cosnistent over generations) psychosocial differences?
Well, other than erasing an important word from that quote of me...
The history of western society is one of war, and political conflict, and constantly shifting alliances, and people who live twenty miles from each other who don't speak the same language, because it is a history of a group of people who can't agree on shit. I said that the common thread is a respect for a certain brand of human rights because those were the barebones rules that they all agreed to for the purposes of being able fight each other without invoking nation-ending blood feuds and genocide.

>There are loads of superficial changes that exist around a more static core of beliefs.
I mean, I guess. But that's a weird tack to take when it almost necessarily leads to the identification of those beliefs being, "Kill the fuck out of each other but not too terribly because God/the Pope says not to, and also we agreed to a hodgepodge of laws based on the aforementioned in order to settle a series of regional feuds. Also I guess we all love Greece and Rome." It's... not that much to be proud about?

>>90901658
I wasn't denying it, I was making the point that these people claim science when making arguments against stuff like climate denial, and talk about how much they love scientists like Tyson because they educate the world and lessen ignorance. But then when it comes to stuff like gender, of which there are biologically two, it's suddenly a social issue instead.

Here's another example: vaccines causing autism is a myth, the Earth is clearly round, but the gender pay gap is completely real and malicious. Selective logic at work.

>>90901232
Nigga we are always /pol/. Start a Boondocks thread, see what happens.

>>90901616
>>90901554
>Was there a lot of crime and war where rape occured? Yes. Was rape EVER a primary source of reproduction, or even an influential one? No. If it WAS it'd like some conrete examples, please.
I'm talking long-form time scales here. Consent requires language to be developed.
Rape was considered a crime against property, not the woman herself.

>Thing is, natural norms are hardwired into our brains (for healthy people), we can alter VERY little of it.
You're already making an assumption here; that a healthy person is someone who agrees with you.
>If they're controled in their containment of it why hate them? However, you shouldn't go out and encourage people to chase bugs or any other state that drags you away from the healthy norm. There is no reason.
What if it makes that individual happier and it brings no harm to any other human being on this planet? What business is it of yours then? Why is the norm any better?

Unless you believe that humans are under an obligation to breed (I don't believe they are), I don't see the harm.

>>90901866
>But then when it comes to stuff like gender, of which there are biologically two, it's suddenly a social issue instead.
Look up eunuchs and nadleeh please.

>>90899354
>"current zenith"
>Zero consistency and bad animation as seen >>90898161

Seriously, those whot hink SU its a new staple in western animation should kill themselves, it's entertaining (debatable) but thats it

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>>90901965

k

>>90901849
>swerves off into war during a culture discussion
Nice, try.
>b-but my warring west
And what about the sandies, the steppes and so on? No war in their histories? War is human. It is not inherent to the west, not in the SLIGHTEST. The foundation of your argument and so then is everything you based on that foundation by proxy.

Your description of the west "western society is one [...] blood fueds and genocide" could describe basically any primitive society. Aus abos, Asia. Africa and so on. You wouldn't have to change a word other than west.
If that is what you consider culture then culture DOESN'T change and it is infact a GLOBAL and INTRINSIC human feature. It isn't. They aren't.
Talk about culture when you mention it next time or don't bother replying. Talking so vaguely you can sum all of early humanity is so fucking stupid.

I want to see a TV show do an episode where a group of aliens come to judge humanity, humanity's representatives tell them that the aliens have no right to judge humanity, and then the aliens ask what system they should use to judge humanity instead- but nobody can agree, so the aliens just decide to use their axioms anyways, but are prevented from doing so by some sort of deus ex machina.
I think it would really make some people think.

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>>90900844
IM MAD !

>>90901866
What are your thoughts on intersex people?

>>90901866
>But then when it comes to stuff like gender, of which there are biologically two, it's suddenly a social issue instead.

I think that the problem is that we've got stuff about non-binary genders in the mix and pronouns when what would have been more equitable for positive social change would have instead been emphasis on the individual as someone who doesn't necessarily have to follow the norms of their sex.

Like, if someone said that I am a man, biologically, I got a dick, an XY pair and a beard, but I just prefer wearing dresses and feel more comfortable being called she than he, I don't really see what the big upset is. It's just what you're calling the dude to their face.

>>90901595
It's hard to get mad at MAD in much the same way as it's hard to stay mad at the legally retarded.

Who cares if some tumblrina wants to be a schizophrenic otherkin genderfluid? You're all gonna die in the end and what you were doesn't matter.

>>90901942
>Consent requires language to be developed
So animals are constantly raping each other? No? So you're a retard gasping at straws? Good to know.
>ooga booga Unk whacks Ding on the head and drags her to the cave
Nigger you are so fucking retarded.

>agree with me
Not really. That things are neurologically hardwired to a point is pretty inescapable. What I believe doesn't change that. What is your point?
>humans have an obligation to breed
No, they don't. It is sort of the core purpose to life in the least subjective way to look at it.
>what bussiness is it of yours
None, and if all that shit is true they'd be like that no matter what I said. I am taking issue with the introduction and encouragment of these ideas.
>you can't make people bent
and all those LGBTQ's with 4 year olds that are SUPER SURE they're trannies are PURE COINCIDENCE, am I right? Any state of mind can be induced in theory. It just takes enough conditioning. Why condition people away from the norm?

>>90901965
>>90902114
Thought about them as soon as I posted, so I wasn't entirely accurate there. But my point stands as far as actual definitions being defined by feelings and what society says you are instead of science.

>>90902073
Humaity is self determining, fuck zeno scum. What benefit to we get from inhereting their values?
>o-opinions and perspectives are different
We know. It doesn't make anyone think.

>>90902188
Well yeah, I genuinely don't care about calling someone what they want me to, given they're respectful and reasonable about it. But some of these people want to push it as if biology is legitimately nonexistent, to the point where we've been doing wrong for centuries, and those are the dopes.

>>90901906

>Nigga we are always pretending to be /pol/

Fixed.

Then again, half the people on /pol/ are pretending.

>>90899831
It depends on what season you are watching.

If you want a good mix of cynical and smart along with a bit of sweetness watch Season 2 or 3 first. Season 4 is ok. Season 1 is cute and funny but a bit less smart. And season 5 so far is... Eh... It just loses the overall heart the show has. It feels a bit more flat.

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>>90898065
>Sex
>Transgender
Already lost
Who in their fucking sane mind would choose to 'identify' as transgender? That is not how it works

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>>90902364
Archive it for me.

>was going to see this for a laugh and nostalgia
>it's pushing shit
Great

>>90902239
>So animals are constantly raping each other?
A lot of them, yeah. The state of nature isn't pretty.
>It is sort of the core purpose to life in the least subjective way to look at it.
>implying that isn't imposing a subjective value judgement on a process that cannot have purpose

>That things are neurologically hardwired to a point is pretty inescapable.
Does this not contradict this statement?
>Any state of mind can be induced in theory. It just takes enough conditioning. Why condition people away from the norm?
You're saying that people are neurologically hardwired (and that by being neurologically hardwired these are the norm i.e. 'good' states) but that they can also be fairly easily conditioned away from that. That sounds like an admission of neurological malleability.

>>90902281
>Implying the ayylmaos would be presented as the good guys

>>90902073
>humanity's representatives tell them that the aliens have no right to judge humanity, and then the aliens ask what system they should use to judge humanity instead

here's a thought

don't judge

just let be

>>90902457
You know good and well that's not possible

>>90902367
Except plenty of trans people don't act like stereotypical members of either gender, but still feel more comfortable identifying as something that doesn't match their sex parts.

Your argument only works if you assume every trans person in the world is a drag queen or otherwise stereotypical.

>>90901232
Pol is within all of us.

>>90902328
Well, the show's creator quit after season 4, so now Gumball is basically a zombie show. Not quite at Simpsons or Spongebob levels but it looks like it's heading in that direction.

>>90902294
Well, strictly speaking, biology is a model of the world; it isn't the world itself.

But I do agree that some people hear that and misunderstand it and start to take anyone using that biological model (which doesn't really take subjective consideration, so gender is clearly not gonna be a question) as someone actively trying to oppress them.

There's a serious issue in the social studies of dismissing people's intentions altogether when dealing with them, which is how scientists who genuinely want to do studies on gender and sexuality get conflated with bigots. It's dumb, I agree.

>>90901306
God damnit anon I really dont want to be a furry but you arent helping at all.

>>90902334
Well that makes sense, since no one chooses to be transgender and it's actually determined by hormones/brain chemicals/other shit that you have no control over and which is mostly determined before you're even born.

>>90898065
>Sex is how one identifies biologically
>identifies
>biologically
I actually don't have anything against trannies, but end this shit-show of a world already. Biology is not fucking open to personal interpretation.

>>90902480
Why are they judging in the first place?

>>90900376
Oh god that fucking episode. One of my favorite Richard episodes.
>"Calm down. It's just a job. How bad can it be?"
>(Quiet ominous opera music in the background that the characters notice)

>>90902418
>A lot of them, yeah
By your definition there is no sex in the animal kingdom. Not a lot. Literally every single occurance of reproduction that has occured is rape.
Are you staying with this stance?

>that hardwiring exists is an inescapable truth
>that people can be induced into states
No. Obviously there is malleability, you fucking sperg. That doesn't mean that people aren't deeply programmed toward certain states or that we have the capacity to induce any state we want quickly and cleanly if at all. It just means, that in theory, we can induce states.
That doesn't discredit or contradict the reality of inherent human nature.

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>>90899015
Yeah sure, "shift in artstyle"

>>90898664
>watch any kid's cartoon
>see innuendos
WTF I HATE ALL CARTOONS NOW

>>90902114
Intersex is a real and rare occurrence. The three keys are that when it happens:
1) Something has gone wrong. This is not how DNA dictates the human body should work.
2) It is not something new. There is no third biological sex; there is no distinct intersex characteristic, only the mixing or omission of the standard binary phenotypes.
3) It is extremely rare. This rarity is compounded when considering that most lean biologically to one sex or the other.

It is a grossly irresponsible false equivalence to use the reality of rare intersex disorder to make policy about trannies, especially when these policies affect everyone but help few to none of the population.

>>90902557
I think some people might 'choose' to be transgender.

I mean, if we're getting into the free will debate you could argue that no one chooses anything, but I'm not

personally I never got why someone choosing to be gay/transgender/bisexual and someone being born that way should change my treatment of them anyway, neither is any skin off my back

>>90902248
Well, yes. Social.

>>90902487
>members of either gender
and usually they're them they and shit. Shouldn't they be 'non-binary' given trans if definitionally about genders?

>>90899457
Same feelings here. I don't like the series but i respect those who love to watch it yet those who claims it as a new epitome in animation is a complete retard

>>90902557
>no one chooses to be transgender and it's actually determined by hormones/brain chemicals/other shit
This is blantantly wrong. Males and Females have different brain structures and chemical balances. The potential for having 'a man's brain' in a female's body is fucking tiny. For the times in which this does occur I concede that they are actually between genders. Everything else is, and should ever be, a mental disorder that requires immediate and appropriate treatment, not enabling.

>>90902066
>Nice, try.
The value you place on human life, and the situations that arise within your civilization which raise or lower that value, are definitely a part of culture.

>And what about the sandies, the steppes and so on? No war in their histories? War is human. It is not inherent to the west, not in the SLIGHTEST. The foundation of your argument and so then is everything you based on that foundation by proxy.
>Your description of the west "western society is one [...] blood fueds and genocide" could describe basically any primitive society. Aus abos, Asia. Africa and so on. You wouldn't have to change a word other than west.
If that is what you consider culture then culture DOESN'T change and it is infact a GLOBAL and INTRINSIC human feature. It isn't. They aren't.
Talk about culture when you mention it next time or don't bother replying. Talking so vaguely you can sum all of early humanity is so fucking stupid.

>and political conflict, and constantly shifting alliances, and people who live twenty miles from each other who don't speak the same language
Nilla can you read?

>>90902570
Maybe they just like genoiciding people. Maybe the advanced spacefaring race that they came from gave them the tools to genocide other races so that they could leave because the race they came from decided to become completely unjudging pacifists, who let their brothers and sisters genocide at leisure because that was the way they wanted to live and who were they to judge?
But they got bored of just slaughtering indiscriminately, so they asked the 'host' races how they should purge.
Maybe the reason they leave is because the humans remind them that their original planet is unpurged, so they get so excited about the idea that they leave and promise to come back.

>>90898749
> I am THIS insecure

>>90902598
>Literally every single occurance of reproduction that has occured is rape.
By human standards, this is what I strive to emphasize. Without a method of communication, consent cannot be achieved.

The reason I say 'a lot' and not 'all' is that some species HAVE developed communication around sexual reproduction; mating dances, that kind of thing.

But you're missing the forest for the trees. My original point is that what is considered natural or hardwired can be changed, on an individual basis, by rational grasp of language and communication.

>That doesn't discredit or contradict the reality of inherent human nature.
'Inherent human nature' is a perceived trend, not an object reality, anon. If an individual goes against the general norm, is that not a result of the chemistry of their brain? Is that not their 'inherent human nature'?

>>90898965
What was /v/ like before Gamergate? I think I started going on 4chan just before the shitstorm but I never went on to /v/

>>90898749
>I demand the right to be part of a community
>But don't want to engage in the common discussions and debates people in these communities have, because conflict upsets me and I'd rather cut off all contact with people than have to deal with it
What does this person want from their relationships with other fans? Contact with other people necessitates conflict because people have different levels of knowledge and opinions - Not even harsh conflict, but things like testing each other's knowledge (and improving your own as a result) and shipping debates? These are fucking harmless. How do people like this even function?

>>90898749
And just like most feminist works it a wall of text with a boring drawing somewhere in the middle

Also, did everyone else get mixed up trying to read that middle part where the superhero is standing between the words?

>>90902701
>Everything else is, and should ever be, a mental disorder that requires immediate and appropriate treatment, not enabling.

Why does it need 'treatment' if it harms no one?

The difference between mental disorder and personality is a matter of where one (in the case the medical body that has the powers to diagnose) draws the line between behaviour one accepts and behaviour one considers disruptive.

>>90902701
I mean, it's not like they haven't run studies where they brought in people who self-identified as transgender and ran brain scans on them and discovered that most of them actually did have inter-gender brain/body mixes.

I feel like most guys would stop caring about this shit if we just did some more robust studies on HRT for men and opened up the market. When you're growing muscles out of every orifice and jacking off every 10 minutes you're either too satisfied with yourself or preoccupied with little yourself to care whether another dude wears dresses. Everyone should just be who they want to be. That includes attack helicopters. If you want to be a horrific merger of man and machine that can hover in place and Welcome Wagon the Independence Day aliens, be my guest.

>>90902738
>are definitely a part of culture
But cannot and should not be conflated as culture itself, especially when war is a result of internal and external forces. Again, nice try.
>can you read
>all asian and ME tribes initially spoke common and lived in big spacious walled off nations
>all the abos and their thousands of tongues and tiny plots of land didn't 'war' constatly
Masterfully done.

>>90902773
>everything is rape
Your statement was that without verbal consent it is rape. Now we're venturing into intracate non-verbal. Dogs however are all rapists because they don't dance before a root.
Listen to yourself. How did you get here, man?

>human nature is a percieved trend
>except all that shit that isn't
For all your idolisation of verbal communication you really don't get that a propensity for language is LITERALLY human nature, do you? We're hardwired to speak and comprehend, for example?
The inherent part is the tendency and core. Naturally idiosycracy arises.

>>90902773
>By human standards
Rape is just a definition of a criminal offence among humans because humans have developed society and a legal system in a particular way. It would be easy to envision a society that didn't value sex or ownership of their own bodies the way we do and where rape as a concept didn't even exist.

Animals don't rape because they don't have a concept of consent. They mate. They have sex. They don't rape any more than they marry or commit fraud.

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>>90901965

As a eunuch (by birth defects) I can say that nearly every depiction of us in media is correct.

We are so far above everyone it doesn't even matter.

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>>90898065

Not raging just face palming

>>90900526
Those dipsticks don't care, they'll insist Biological Sex is a social construct because white scientists discovered the genetic component of it it. They'll swear up and down that genetics as we understand it is a lie made up by the patriarchy to keep them from feeling special.

>>90902248
Human minds are complex systems and sociology/psychology can't be studied as exactly as measurable increases in temperature or sea level.

You acknowledge intersex people exist. What gender does a person born with a vagina and at least one Y chromosome scientifically match up to?

>>90902620
Not at all. Rarity doesn't mean their experiences aren't valuable to discussions regarding sex and gender. If they aren't strictly male or female in chromosomes/genitals, seeing how their brain translates that to gender identity is absolutely relevant to transgender research.

>>90902622
That rhetoric became prevalent during the AIDS crisis to garner sympathy. If they couldn't help who they were attracted to then people would be less inclined to blame them individually for the consequences of their sexual activities.

>>90899419
>some shitty kate leth comic
you can just say 'kate leth comic'

>>90902780
>i am super new
With the shit spouted in this thread, I am not surprised.

>>90902846
>increased rates of other mental disorders and suicide
>not disruptive
Whatever, man. As long as you don't encourage others to do it too then fine.

>>90902903
They didn't. Show me these studies, cunt. Chances are they found that their structure and chem were sig dif from norm, not akin to the other gender. Just to be clear, you do realise that gender goes all the way to cellular right? Male and Female hearts are different too? It isn;t a grey zone. Unless you had female level hormones instead of male ones and a clearly female stuctured brain you are a very sad little man. Even if you did you'd be a man who has a condition that makes you think like a woman. It's not that hard.

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>>90900424
>Why are people getting upset over this?
>I don't care, but I also don't want people to think trans people might actually be normal humans with different brains.

>>90898408
I think you meant to post this to a tumblr rage blog. That's just funny. As is the one for /co/ that was basically /co/lette.

>>90903124
I hate spoonfeeding idiots but w/e.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan/

>>90903176
>NS
>not an actually journal article
>calling other people idiots
Top fucking kek

>>90898188
I can't believe that someone thought that was a good idea

>>90902983
>>90902993
You're missing the point. Maybe the rape metaphor was inelegant. I'm not saying we should give animals the same punishment we give human rapists for getting their bone on.

What I'm saying is that what is considered a norm is influenced more by environmental and linguistic consideration.

>For all your idolisation of verbal communication you really don't get that a propensity for language is LITERALLY human nature, do you? We're hardwired to speak and comprehend, for example?
>The inherent part is the tendency and core.
>Naturally idiosycracy arises
So, yes, human nature is an observed trend, not a hard and fast rule.

My argument is that human nature is not, in and of itself, an argument, because many things considered in the past to be 'human nature' HAVE changed, many things considered against 'human nature' HAVE been integrated into the norm.

>>90903176
I hate idiots who think providing evidence they've cited in order to prove their point is spoonfeeding.

>>90900275
What ever happened with that. Is there an uncensored version? What's the defense of it is obviously supposed to be targeted to adults who by know should be able to make their own decisions on weather or not to see something.

>>90898065
This is hilarious.

>>90898065
>Ze, Zir(s), Zirself/Zemself
Someone needs to tell this person those are joke pronouns.

If you want actual gender neutral singular pronouns then use e, eir, em, emself. At least they sound half way natural.

>>90903124
>increased rates of other mental disorders and suicide
How much of that is caused by discrimination, though?

>>90903124
>increased rates of other mental disorders and suicide
You mean the rates that drop dramatically when you "enable" them?

>>90903225
>Maybe the rape metaphor was inelegant
Outright wrong and indicative of faultly logic? Maybe.

>>90903176
>singular region of brain
>only two studies with 60 people a pop
It's interesting. I like it. However, it's not like it discounts all the past research yet, mate. Further, as I predicted they were unlike either gender in the mtf case and I think with repeated studies we'll see the same in the ftm.
So basially I was right. There's a small non normal structure difference which in almost half the cases was sig dif from both males and females.
Thanks for backing me up.

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>>90900781
I don't get the one for /tv/