Why are Marvel civilians such irredeemable assholes

>>90890306
And why doesn't anyone get Superhero related damages insurance

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>>90890306
Because they are a reflection of their writers ideas of how the population behaves.

>>90890306
>Man, this action movie sounds great!

>>90890747
In other words. The writers are cunts with a grimm view of the world (might have something to do with many of them being fat) and you can see their way of seeing things in their portrayal of every day people. They are bad people therefore everyone else must be too.

Hey, if you lived in a city that gets leveled on a weekly basis you wouldn't exactly be the happiest person around now would you?

>>90890861
WHY THE FUCK DOES ANYONE MOVE TO GOTHAM.

>>90890420
>pretending that civilians are sentinent

They're basically ants - you smash their hives, they rebuild them exactly the same spot exactly like they were before.

Even in New York, even under President Trump.

>>90890306
>Hates Daredevil
>Likes Spider-Man

That is kind funny to think about

>>90890879
>anyone who isn't a criminal or mental
>moving to Gotham

Pls. Place is basically Bagdad under US occulation-tier.

>>90890879
It's still a city with a teeming economy, like Chicago

>>90890887
How so?

>>90891097
General populace seems to have less problems with Daredevil compared to Spider-Man

>>90890879
Maybe because it's cheap.

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>>90890747
So they think we're all cunts

>>90891211
You know, I never understood why people get upset by that. I mean, have you just took a moment to think about all the crimes and murders Spider-Man has been associated with? Even if they were all baseless, at some point people are going to start getting suspicious.

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>>90890306

Is that the same bitch who said Captain America isn't really american because he doesn't have a Myspace account?

>>90891271
This would be logical in a world that didn't suddenly make Norman Osborn head of SHIELD or HAMMER or whatever it was.

>>90890879
Who said anyone move there besides psychos and criminals. It used to be a booming city but it is a shell of its former self. Those who could have left probably did already.

>>90891320

>"I'll kill you!"

I understand that guy is upset but holy shit, what kind of threat is that? The motherfucking Daredevil literally just leapt off a building and landed on the ground like a dainty butterfly, the fuck does Tyrone think he's going to do?

>>90890306
I think it has more to do with the fact that Marlel civilians have to deal with more super-powered beings than their DC counterparts. So it makes sense that they hate them.

>>90891431
Marvel Earth is a shit hole of a planet.

>>90891535
xD

>>90891554
>underwear showing
>threatening authoritarian figures
>violent reaction to stimuli
>"lakesha"

I mean, "xD" all you want, the writer/artist are clearly taking a stab at chimp culture.

>>90890306
How else are you going make Marvel's shitty capes look like heroes if they aren't saving ungrateful assholes like Sally Floyd? Besides fighting actual villains instead of each other of course.

>>90890879
>Metropolis

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It even spreads to other planets.

>>90890306
I have to wonder if someone legitimately wrote Sally Floyd with the idea that "she had a point" or if they were being satiric becasue I've never seen such an universally hated cunt in my life. Not even the writers seem to like her considering she slipped into limbo where she fucking belongs.

>>90891834
She should be dead desu

>>90891834
Just you wait, Marvel might just bring her back and go "Sally was right all along"

>>90891431
I think there's something in the water that makes Marvel civilians assholes

>>90891769
Jesus it's like the whole universe is filled with assholes

>>90890879
Lot of money to be made on both sides of the law and I hear Wayne industries will employ basically anyone even prostitutes seems like Batman keeps giving out cards saying there's a job opening

>>90890363
Deadpool tried it, and then a super-Juggernaut destroyed the house cause it's fucking extra powered Juggernaut.

>>90892266
Then they'll do Sally Floyd variant covers across all their titles.

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>>90890420
This is fucking absurd. There is no way that after over a decade of shit going down that everyone in New York wouldn't have a superhuman damage insurance. It's definetly the number one cause of property damage in New York.

>>90892533
Still it's seems like a massive dick move for insurance companies to write off any superhero related damages like if aliens invade a destroy your house would they deny it for being superhero or alien damages

>>90892542
I've never heard of her what's Sally Floyd problem?

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>>90892478
As the ancient text proclaimed.

>>90892722
Apples poop?

>>90892611
im guessing everyone thinks it'll never happen to then

>>90892642
Eh this is just comic writing.
I'm sure in real life there are ways to get it covered.
Like collision insurance or uninsured insurance.

>>90891834
Right Floyd and Right Hill should join Rightclops's harem when he brings Jean back from the dead because he has no prejudice against non mutants and should have an equal number of each.

>>90892642
Maybe it's not covered by their policy.

>>90892702
Constantly acting like an ignorant, stupid, annoying, cunt.

>>90891834
I think there was something resembling a point in the Frontline version (think of how people in the media seem out of touch with the rest of the world), but the problem is the execution was so bad (and using Cap was a bad choice for this) resulted in "Idiot admonishes Captain America for not using Myspace" which made her look like a terrible character.

And then on top of that she meets with Tony Stark and reveals they know that Iron Man secretly set up Norman Osborn to kill an Atlantean ambassador, and that they won't reveal it. So from that point on Sally Floyd's bad aspects got stretched out even more.

>>90892763
Except that given all the shit that's gone down over the years in New York (Inferno, Civil War, Secret Invasion, World War Hulk, Kang Dynasty, Fear Itself, Atlantean invasions, Mole Man invasions, countless alien invasions, Juggernaut rampages) it is impossible for any building in Manhattan to not have been damaged at some point.

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>>90890420
Out of curiosity, what exactly was the cause of the property damage? Was it heroes fighting heroes? Because if it was I can sort of understand, if it wasn't they're just being ungrateful assholes.

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>>90892883
It was part of the whole world war hulk storyline

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>>90892266
I'm pretty sure she was killed off-panel in some story... that is, Marvel said "Look, she died in this issue, and she's never coming back. Happy now?"

>>90892883
Well in some cities if the police break down your door or somehow cause property damage they will pay for the repairs.

Vigilantes are just dicks with no accountability.

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>>90892930
I won't be happy until Carol gets violently raped and suffer the ol' uterus bomb treatment, Marvel. This is what your shit has done to me.

>>90892928
I thought this was from Civil War Frontline.

>>90891431
Well, EMTs get threatened a lot by the families

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>>90892739
>everyone gets shit on by the normies in the Marvel Universe
>somehow Carol Danvers gets a free pass
>also she's everyone's ""favorite hero of all time ever like omfg she's just the best and fiercest babe ever""

Sally Floyd is the worst character ever. Her only purpose is progressive straw man.

>>90890420
What lady, would you prefer having died from an attack by super villains the police can't do anything about?

>>90893066
I think there are some people in her latest ongoing (she's had, what, four of those in the past decade?) who are pissed at her for going full Thought Crime Police in Civil War II... but they're mostly portrayed at neckbeard meanies.

>>90893181
Was it a supervillain attack that destroyed her home? Or was it a hero fighting another hero?

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>>90893230
In Ms. Marvel everyone seemed to be against her, even if some of the reasoning used at times went too far in the opposite direction.

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>>90893230
She lost literally all of her friends and allies because of Civil War 2. Except Alpha Flight, who are now sucking her ass for no reason even though she pissed them off too.

>>90893305
Ah, so it's all the Hulk's fault.
Wait a minute, how the fuck does the Hulk and his armies wrecking shit count as "super-hero" damage? He wasn't a super-hero at the time.

>>90893266
I still don't understand what the writer was thinking with that.

He was literally a criminal, who stole weapons from the army, that in itself is a serious crime worthy of being arrested over.

>>90893313
>even though she pissed them off too.
Did you not read the full story? She was only pretending to go after Aurora in order to draw out the true villain, The Master of the World. Once they realized this they were cool again.

>>90892917
Why did Sally have to hide in a subway station again?

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>>90892928
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>>90893305
Why is she blaming superheroes in general instead of just blaming the Hulk in particular?

>>90892739
>minority is okay with authorities having the power to arrest before a crime happens.

Its okay, because it Captain "YAAS QUEEN" Marvel.

>>90893340
It's an insurance company. If someone didn't update Hulk's status from hero to villain in their books, then they sure as shit aren't going to pay out.

>>90893266
Ok this would only have something of a point if it was the guy hanging around outside of the building where tanks were being kept. That would honestly have a decent enough point about what she is trying to say. Like maybe his favorite food truck stops there and he comes early every day for lunch.

Does anyone here really think supers wouldn't be treated with an eye of suspicion by civies?

If you look at Marvel overall, they go pretty damn light considering they aren't trying to shove a shit ton of laws on them or enforce more mandates. Can you picture identity politics (no not that shit marvel tries to pass off) being ejected into the mix? And god knows what kind of law suits would come out of the would work. From I had Cap's baby to Spider-Man stole my inventions.

>>90893601
>they aren't trying to shove a shit ton of laws on them or enforce more mandates
Except they have.
That's the entire plot of Civil War.
Also, almost everything involving the mutants.

>>90893340
I'm guessing the insurance companies are run by even bigger assholes

>>90893544
He dindu nuffin, you don't know what he was going to do with the high-tech tank he stole, maybe he needed it to drive a pregnant woman to the hospital!

>>90893451
Because everything related to superpowers instantly means it's the heroes fault

>flipping off a blind person

>>90893371
The issue is not Hijnx being arrested, but the future repercussions that allowing people to get judged by something they haven't done yet would have.

>>90893773
She really is a bitch

>>90893904
But... that doesn't apply to him when he literally committed a serious crime, he did do it.

>>90893601
>Does anyone here really think supers wouldn't be treated with an eye of suspicion by civies?

It would be make sense for civilians to have mixed feelings towards superheros. They should be thankful that someone is standing in between them and The Green Goblin or Dormammu, on the other hand, collateral damage is really hard to forgive.

>>90893266
He stole a fucking tank it doesn't matter how he got caught he still stole a military tank

>>90893904
But he did commit a crime: He stole a tank from a military facility.
Are you going to wait to stop him AFTER he kills a bunch of people?

>>90893963
Congratulations. You're currently experiencing why anything political should not be done in Big 2 comics. No matter how talented the writer is, they almost always shit the bed when it comes to politics. Civil War 1 was a decade ago and no one has learned their lesson.

>>90893305
Jesus Christ, the Hulk's arm.

>>90890306
>Flipping off Daredevil

Ha

>>90894128
You'd think they'd be able to make a situations that isn't retarded when common senses is used

>>90894197
Next you'll expect them to have a basic understanding of scale too?

>>90894042
This.
What the fuck do you think a guy would do with a tank? Even if he sold it to someone else, the tank would be eventually be used to destroy something

>>90892611
The premiums would have to be ridiculously high because the damages happen so frequently.

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It's weird considering the page before shows that even though she saved those kids and couldn't do a damn thing since they're house was destroyed everyone was still pissed

>>90894268
Even so, Ben Urich would probably be able to afford that.

>>90894258
Even if he just parked it in his garage and never did anything with the machine, the very act itself is a serious crime on its own merits.

>>90894287
The entire building was destroyed and he still wants to go in is little Tyrone retarded

>>90893904
So what, we shouldn't arrest terrorists planning a terrorist attack until they've actually carried it out? Because they might have decided not to do it at the last minute?

>>90890306
I remember once upon a time a guy was commissioning artists like crazy to have Peter be cucked by MJ. IN LOCO

I'd have paid that cash to see Sally getting reamed up her ass forcefully by a host of superpowered fellows instead myself.

>>90893340

It can either be that the insurance charged extra for damage from superpowered beings (which could be shortened to be "superhero insurance") and he didn't sign up for it, or the insurance company is stretching the definition of "superhero" to avoid having to pay...

Well, that, or it could just be that acts of war aren't covered, even if the being doing so isn't a state recognized by the US.

Magneto was right about humans

>>90894392
>There's no such thing as a criminal conspiracy
No wonder villains get off so easily. I bet their lawyers laugh all the way to the bank when their clients get brought in.

>>90894397
It was K-Box right? What a pathetic faggot

>>90894422
Mutants are assholes too though

>>90894493
I didn't even know that guy hung around with a name, just that if you hopped on to Paheal it was all over the place.

>>90892990
But she was already violently raped by her son in an alternate dimension for weeks or something. Remember that and be happy!

>>90894287
Did Tyrone want Daredevil to just tell him like it is?
>"Yeah kid, sorry, but I'm just a blind guy with some fancy batons. I can maybe save your family and loved ones but you're all still gonna be fucked afterwards. Good luck!"

>>90894555
No, I want current dyke SUPER AWESOME QUEEN Carol to get snuffed

Also checked

>>90894555
Christ if that shit came out today, it hurt to imagine the outrage still wasn't that thing technically not her son

>>90894579
Why do the heroes even bother to help them is beyond me

>>90892611
Hey, after 240 years of dying there are still people in the US without health insurance

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>>90891320
>>90891258
>>90890306
this shit is fucking awful

>>90894526
He's some fag with a blog about comics or some shit, tried really hard to defend his blatant fetish as some sort of protest about the nature of spiderman comics?

>>90891367
Yup.

>>90894677
>America
>Every getting a proper system of healthcare
Hohoho...

>>90894422
Marvel humans all have a hive mind sapient bacteria infecting them called Sublime that makes them irrationally dislike mutants. It isn't all their fault in that regard. They have a condition that makes them think throwing rocks at a guy who just threw the subway car they were in into a building was a good idea.

No excuse here though, these people are just morons.

>>90893451
Because bad writing

>>90891757
kid's a cunt

>>90892739
Well, if this doesn't prove that Marvel's civilains are idiot, nothing will.
Or if you flip it around, you could say that the fact that the Marvel civilians are so behind Captain Carol should have given her a clue that she was doing everything wrong.

>>90892757
READ THE BOOK

>>90891271
It's the fact that almost ALL of those murders he's associated with are from the same guy (JJ) blaming him for it.

If you ignore the instances where JJ said he's the killer, or an accomplice of the killer, I bet the number would be a lot closer to any other superhero's.

>>90894287
>Daredevil tries to pacify kid with false promise
>Kid makes out like he's too mature to believe Daredevil can keep the promise
>Kid later actually fucking quotes Daredevil to a cop
Is this guy fucking touched in the head? Which is it?
Is he living in the reality where guys in tight red spandex can't regulate the infrastructure of a city or not?

This is the type of shit I can't stand, not the characters being assholes at a whim because the writer feels like it, but the writer flip flopping on their character at the writer's whim for a scene.

>>90891320
Are there any comics where the guys a hero, but when he comes across civillians like these he just fucks them over with no remorse?

>Grabs a car, stopping it and the passengers from going off a bridge and killing themselves.
>"What the fuck, there's big dents from your hands in my car, are you gonna pay for that or what?!"
>Picks up car and throws it off the bridge.

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>>90894832
The same thing happened to that woman Carol wrongfully arrested in Civil War II. Even though Nightcrawler and a bunch of other superheroes busted her out, she decided to blame ALL superheroes for the actions of one superhero working for the government. She then joined an anti-superhero terrorist organization and had people killed. She was even planning on murdering the Champions even though they were all on team Anti-Carol.
All this because she was in a cell for a few hours and then got out and didn't face any further consequences in her life.
Also, even though she hates supers, she for some reason has a super-VILLAIN working for her.

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>>90891320
>Lakeisha

>>90895014
It's shit like this that confirms my belief OMD turn the main continuity into the Mephistoverse.

>>90890420
This shit will never make sense.

They blame the HEROES for this shit.

THE HEROES.

What, is the fucking Supervillain not culpable? Did the SH just go "Holy shit a building, my greatest foe" and break it?

What do you want instead, just to let a shitload of people die because someone fistfighting The Absorbing Man is going to cause property damage? Do you just want them to stay home and let this shit sort out on it's own?

What an asshole

>>90895014
>The end of THE AGE OF HEROES
Really?
Really.

Fuck sake.

This shit is so bad it was used as an actual plot point in JLAvengers

>>90895110
Shit like this is why it baffles me that, after the first issue of Civil War, NOBODY gave a fuck about Nitro, while they constantly bitched about the New Warriors. Speedball got convicted for mass murder and had to go into the Thunderbolts to not get shived or shot again, but Nitro was happily forgotten by everyone except Namor (because Namorita was killed too) and Wolverine.

>>90894965
Peter didn't fuck up a lot of people like that during the late 70s but he'd do the courtesy of webbing them in place or so if they began giving him shit

>>90894645
Heroes base themselves on the belief that even if it's beyond them they should still do something even when giving someone false hopes, it's all about that short-lived self-gratification.

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>>90892739
Some in marvel universe see the light

>>90893066
In universe she has a really good PR team they can even spin the thought crimes into a positive light

>>90894853
Didn't they vote in the green goblin into a position of power

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>>90895504
And he was never seen again.

>>90895618
Cap please, this is what freedom actually looks like

>Only a couple hundred people die in the alien invasion during The Avengers
>a full scale alien invasion on a city with millions of inhabitants and only a handful of people die thanks to intervention from the team
>U.S. government throws these deaths in their face even though they were about to nuke the city and kill everyone
>people somehow blame the Avengers for those deaths when every single person in the city would have died without them

Marvel civilians are the most true to comics portrayal in the MCU.

>>90894965
In Marvel no what you'd get if that situation with Spider-Man is an entire arc of self doubt and guilty conscience

>>90895732
Marvel: Teaching tolerance, diversity, and that doing good things for other people is a pointless endeavor that will only end with them hating you.

>>90895564

People have cheered on buffoons and monsters in real life ever since the biggest asshole with the biggest stick realized they could get away with it, Norman is not some kind outlier.

>>90895618
>Cap getting this triggered about not being hated

Damn, dude, chill with the martyr complex. You're worse than Superman at this point.

>>90895014
Did Bendis forget that Carol is a flying brick/blaster with energy absorption powers with a muscular physique and extensive hand-to-hand combat training who outclasses everyone in the room?

>>90890306
>guy saves two kids' lives
>flip him off because he couldn't magically save their house

Why did Marvel ever think this character was a good idea?

>>90896030
To be fair, everyone was having their minds manipulated to hate each other in this one... I think. It is hard to tell since only the intensity of it seems out of character.

>>90896070
She's pretending to be affected by a power nullifier that this dumb woman doesn't realize was a fake sold to her by SHIELD agents pretending to be AIM. Right after this page, Carol says they have all the evidence they need to arrest her now and punches her.

>>90895014
So she wants to murder a bunch of fucking kids because she got detained in for morally grey but slightly effective reasons

>>90895014
It's funny because there retarded plan would never work no matter how hard they tried

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>>90894677

This board now has people who have never even HEARD of Damage Control, Inc.

>>90896159
Okay, it's Bendis so I had to make sure.

>>90896145
Nobody seems to mention that their mother abandoned them.

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>>90896273
I've heard of Damage Control, and I'm sure most of these anons have too. The problem is that it's clear that many WRITERS either haven't or pretend they haven't so they can do these dumb SUPERHEROES CAUSE PROPERTY DAMAGE AND RUIN PEOPLE'S LIVES BY SAVING LIVES scenes.

>>90895874
Well, just take a look at Europe and the US and it's just art imitating life.

>>90896334
>so they can do these dumb SUPERHEROES CAUSE PROPERTY DAMAGE AND RUIN PEOPLE'S LIVES BY SAVING LIVES scenes.
Dwayne didn't die for this

>>90896324
She's just off buying cigarettes

>>90896218
She IS a white American. They really aren't used to not being beyond the law.

>>90896273
Damage Control is a demolition/construction company not an insurer.

>>90896334
>>90896273
Who exactly funds Damage Control though?

>>90896422
It's not a charity so I'm guessing the community or cities but there services >>90896422

>>90895014
I like my headcanon better where Bendis made his newest pointless female OC the head of SHIELD desu

>>90893676
I meant as if the guy was literally just hanging around outside of the place doing nothing aside from loitering.

Since that is not the case, and he did a hell of a lot more than loitering then this point is stupid.

>>90890306
"He couldn't possibly be regretting the lives he couldn't save, or having a private moment of reflection."

"No, this is all about me."

It HAD to be on purpose.

>>90893773
I was going to say she didn't know, but then I remembered >>90891320 so... yeah.
>>90896422
>Damage Control was founded by Ms. Ann-Marie Hoag and was originally owned by Tony Stark and Wilson Fisk, each owning half the stock of the company, though Stark felt uneasy cooperating with Fisk, a notorious criminal. The company was headquartered in New York's Flatiron Building.[2]

>>90894965
This seems like something that would have fit right in a scene from Hancock.

>>90895618
>Cap? Are you...?
Mad?
Very.

>>90896145
Marvel is full of childish little shits.

>>90891757
niggerpoos should extinct

>>90890306
Because their "heroes" are

>>90891834

I'm surprised they haven't brought her back. She seems like she would fit right in with current Marvel.

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>>90897144
She really was that bad

>>90893464
yass queen has to be my favorite fucking comic meme.

>>90897237
>maybe we should just double down on why everybody hates her
ahh classic Mahvel baybee

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>>90897552
They really don't learn do they? They just change their shit coating

>>90892424
>I think there's something in the water that makes Marvel civilians assholes

Yeah it's called SUBLIME!

>>90895732
Not even one hundred
72 just 72 fucking deaths from a alien invasion

>>90890306
I'd like to read a story where the super heroes sick and tired of assholes civilians and decide, not to go full Plutonian, but to be passive agressive.
>Oh, super vilains are in a rampage in the city? Sorry, we won't move, we wouldn't want to make things worse and destroy your houses.
>Oh, my poor lady, you are being raped? I'd like to help, but I'm a rich white man in an armor, I'd feel really bad beating up poor people

>>90897613
When I read Civil War: Front Line #1 I thought that her hitting on Spidey was cute, and that it was a minor shame he was married.

Both because of OMD and what ensued, I'd like to go back in time and slap my younger self.

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>>90892739
More than anything else in her push, this makes me fucking livid.

>>90897144
I do like this one.
>>90896845
The comics or the company?

>>90898587
Not that Anom, but both obviously

>>90895014
>Burger goverment funded hero orgionsation arrests you on some minority level shit for 2 hours.
>FUCK YOU MUM IM GONNA KILL LIKE 10 KIDS
then alligen myself with other murders and get rid of *heros* so i can get raped by galactus or any villian with powers better than condiment king later since the government is also stocked with stock standard incompetent retards.
I would activley work to end life on earth in the marvel U, it seem like a mercy killing at this point like putting down a dog with rabies.
Only SU citizens are more flanderised idiots.

>>90890306
what I want to know is how there is still normal fucking crime in new york when half its population is superheroes

>>90900351
The Punisher's deal with the devil causes gangsters to appear so he can have stuff to kill

>>90890306
Have you ever met IRL human beings?
Plus, most Marvel heroes have an "outsider" status.
IRL people are not kind to that sort of thing.

>>90900351
One superhero can only be in one place at a time, so even 30 superheroes can only ever do so much to stop *ALL* crime in a city.
Plus they mostly focus on the crazy shit nobody else could possibly handle.
It's not as if a beat cop is going to take Thanos down.

>>90895618
Hahahahaha!

>>90895014
>Bendis writes Carol doing all this stupid shitty things
>then has his character he created act as a mouthpiece to preach about how bad she is
jesus christ im not a fan of carol, but bendis just outright despises her doesn't he?

>>90900938
Bendis is not the creator of the character "Jewel".
Way to go mighty-mind.
What he did was REcreate her and explain why she was suddenly written out way back during his childhood ... with some hardcore retconning. That's all.
And he does "Bendis-speak" with every character he writes.
(That's kinda why they call it "Bendis-speak")
And HOLY HELL, there was never a time when Carol wasn't fucking all things up with her bullshit.
That's always been a Carol thing. That, and not living up to Captain Marvel's legacy.
It just seems like more of a problem now that they're pushing her into the mainstream.

>>90892739
>stacey
>chad
>baby boomer
>blackishia
No wonder they support Carol.

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>>90895618

>>90901970
Did whoever wrote this hate Marvel? Because between this and Captain Butthurt Marvel isn't looking too good.

>>90902249
Kurt Busiak. JLA/vengers

>>90902249
Kurt busiek wrote if anything he knows that marvel civies treat their heroes like shit

>>90890879
Same reason people move to Detroit.

>>90902249
>Busiek
>hates marvel
Fuck off casual, the nigger wrote Marvels and a top tier Avengers run

>>90894965
I know its not /co/ but one punch man called everyone out for being little shits when the debris from a meteor he smashed wrecked most of a city.

>>90902602
OPM counts as /co/ on Saturdays.

>>90892739
>what the flarg?

>>90896723
>Wilson Fisk
Fisk has that kind of money? Does Kingpin really have operations so widespread that he's willing to bankroll something that will help the entire country and not just NY?

>>90902755
good PR, the yakuza do it all the time to make their business seem like the lesser of two evils.

>>90897237
man, it must suck to be hydroman. Why didnt he just hydro out of that jar?

Has anyone here stopped to consider that self-reflection and not taking yourself or your works too seriously is a more mature and insightful means to achieve an artistic accomplishment?

It's not as if DC's putting out great stories of character development by making a select few characters sacrosanct.
Meanwhile half the *complaints* on /co/ are about how much someone loves a Marvel character that's not getting their due.
And the rare praise is always about when a goody-goody is taking a darker turn and becoming "a more complex character".
Some characters are just screw-ups.
That's the difference between something worth reading and Might-Makes-Right powerporn.

>>90902870
I'll still take it over criminals who dont even pretend to be nice. They are still going to commit crimes but at least if your house gets hit by an earthquake you might get a blanket or something out of the yakuza.

>>90903112
They are both shit these days.

>>90891320
>"I'll Kill You"

Should have dropped the kid, then beat the shit out of that one

>>90895105
Go on

>>90896348
actually, upon more analysis, Marvel Civilians good disposition towards superheroes is proportionally inverse to their distance from New York.

>>90895014

The Spot is still around?

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How would the president of the Daredevil fan club react to this

>>90895105
>>90903283

There's a whole buncha reality-warpers who have made their marks on 616 without direct ownership being established.

If Meph' owned it for OMD then that means that Wanda owned it up until then, and let's not forget GodDOOM...
And GodRICHARDS after him...
Do we count all those reality warpers in the X-Books? Legion? Phoenix? Eva Bell and her time bubbles? Hank McCoy and his home-made time machine?
Not even the Beyonders renamed 616 as their own, besides: Mephisto already has his own dimension.

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Man, Marvel civies are such neanderthals. Shit can happen practically anywhere in DC's earth yet their civilians will always be grateful.

>>90902249
Supes and Cap were having their minds fucked with

>>90895385

That and the whole "Let's make Norman Osborne the one who gives all official superheroes their orders" thing makes me privately suspect the reason Marvel civilians are such ungrateful dickbags is because they all secretly want the villains to win.

>>90892930
Sally is not only still around pretty much NO ONE is allowed to have Sally suffer the consequences for the shit she flung at Cap at the end of Civil War.

Seriously; Dan Slott had her show up in Avengers Initiative, being a cunt and making a snide remark to Peter Gyrich (regarding his father, who has Alzheimer). Gyrich responded by ordering the IRS to basically rape Sally to death in terms of putting her on the list of people the IRS vindictively audit every year (which is akin to rape if you have heard tales of how bad it is to be on the IRS shit list).

Jenkins had a massive hissy fit and basically demanded NO ONE could EVER have Sally be treated in a negative manner/retaliate against her for the events of Civil War Frontline. Even Slott caved, in terms of backing away from portraying Sally as a cunt who you want to punch in the face,

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>>90903867

And how exactly is that not realistic?
/co/ has had Carnage fan-threads.

>>90904210

Right, but we're not the people who live in a universe where carnage is real and will eat your face.

And people still somehow prefer him to spider-man.

>>90895385
That's because of the rewrites.

Originally, the big inciting event of Civil War was Speedball getting Happy Hogans kid killed. Speedball was supposed to be yapping and shit, grandstanding for the public and one of the robbers he was trying to bust said fuck it and shot Happy's kid in the face.

They ditched that (plus Julia Carpenter killing herself after her daughter gets kidnapped post registration act going into effect, after the robber told her to start killing people for them or else they'd kill her daughter) and having the ending bascially be World War Hulk and Cap losing his powers.

It's New York

Fuck them

It costs a bazillion just to get an apartment

>>90904354

Explains also why so many Marvel writers and editors are the same way.

>>90901253
Bendis actually likes Carol.

When fans shit bricks and attacked him for killing off half the Avengers team, Carol was the only one he deemed "worthy" of rejoining.

He also made her the leader of the Mighty Avengers team and shilled her as Jessica Jones' top BFF.

He also gave her a huge scene in House of M where she beat the living shit out of Rogue and gave her the angle of being the top hero of the HoM universe, which Brian Reed had to run with as the mission statement for Ms Marvel

>>90893266
>I mean my goodness, he was just gonna use the tank to drive to work!

>>90891769
I thought Bill was supposed to look different from the other members of his species?

>>90893398
No they weren't, Puck understood but Sasquatch and Aurora were still pissed at her.

>>90903730
Wanda only had it during House of M.

Was Doom lording it over the devil in Secret Wars? I would think that would be a pretty big plot point for him seeing how much he hates Mephisto.

If not, it doesn't invalidate the theory that Mephisto is manipulating these events all along. It would certainly explain why everyone in Marvel is so thoroughly miserable now.

>>90904354
Not everyone in the five boroughs of New York lives in Trump Towers.
And not everyone who works in New York lives in New York.

Are there any other broad brushes you want to paint groups of people with? or can we move on?

>>90904354
No need to exaggerate. It only costs 2 million for an average apartment in Manhattan or roughly $3000 a month if you are renting.

>>90904645
>Most of the listings for one bedrooms are in Manhattan, where prices hover in the $3000 per month range. If you are looking to pay less per month for one bedroom apartments NYC look to Brooklyn ($2000), the Bronx ($1250), Queens ($1350) or Statan Island ($900).

no it's fine, you can move on

>>90893963
It's about precedent.

>>90904735
Living in New York and getting raped in the ass with rent is actually a badge of honor and considered a cost of being a smug shit who gets to brag about living in NYC.

See also San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, etc.

Hipster shits and social climbers will willingly bend over and get raped in the ass with absurdly high rent just for the right to brag about living in a major metropolis city, and lord it over common folk who living in the suburbs and heartland

>>90904385

>"... the angle of being the top hero of the HoM universe, ..."

That wasn't "the angle", that was her (pathetic) secret wish: to be a success as a hero.

Everyone got their life-long wishes in House of M, that was the whole point.
And it was a great way to launch a half-dozen re-characterizations and story arcs all in one fell swoop.
Carol became a serious hero after HoM because she was still that person she was in the dreamworld, Parker took the deal in OMD because he learned that he didn't really love Maryjane like he did Gwen, and Wolverine finally got his true memories and stopped being a thug.
And how much could Bendis have liked her if he rewrote her identity?

>>90904615
Mephisto didn't have power over any of the events in the last Secret Wars.
Remember how he acted to save the 616 universe's lives when Thanos got the Infinity Gems?
No lives / no souls to corrupt.

*IF* Mephisto had any control over the Beyonders or the power of a Beyonder-type being such as GodDOOM he would have never allowed such a death-toll across the multiverse.

>>90904168
What really.

I mean. It's Gyrich. That's what he DOES.

>>90905004
That's where the jobs are, mate. People with business ideas go there because that's where the employees they NEED are, and people go there because that's where the people hiring are.

I think you have other biases, bruh.

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>>90902976
I wanna be Hydroman for that sole reason.

>>90906307
Marvel needs to make more baseline human villains.
They need a Lex Luthor for every Superman - like they used to have. But they killed off too many of them.
Daredevil has Kingpin. Punisher has Jigsaw.
But all the evil humans in X-Men books died off one by one. And there were almost a dozen.
Captain America had a great evil rich Russian guy but they turned him into a Red Skull false identity in less than a year. Everyone else human is a nut in a costume.
Iron-Man had some excellent ones: Stane, Hammer, and their kin. But one-by-one they all traded in the pin-stripe suits for battle-armor and wound up dead.
There was a time when all superheroes had a mad scientist and an evil businessman in their rogues gallery.
There was a reason for that: it was a great gimmick to have a normal human confront a superhero and almost win.

>>90906850
>There was a reason for that: it was a great gimmick to have a normal human confront a superhero and almost win.
Even better when they DO win, even if it only lasts a short while.
Sadly, that seems to be a relic of the past.

>>90901253
Bendis created Jewel, what are you smoking?

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>>90894392
The issue is the idea of arresting someone based on a prediction. Ulysses's powers aren't perfect.

Stark, for example, was never ACTUALLY against the idea of pre-emptive crisis prevention, even though he was pissed about Rhodey' death. He's against the idea of pre-emptive justice, which, while similar in nature, is an entirely different animal when you consider the processes that lead to it, and the fact that no matter how accurate Ulysses usually is, he's not 100% accurate and has been proven to be occasionally flawed in his predictions

What SHOULD have been done for lesser crimes is the creation of a task force dedicated to preventive measures taken against the predicted act, and arrests made based on what was clearly attempted instead of what was predicted. If that was what Carol did, neither Stark nor anyone else would have much to demonize her over.

Instead, Carol did a lot of good at first glance, but also fucked up on many others (some of which got friends killed) and crafted a societial mindset that is warm to the idea of profiling, not to mention has lost faith in the very, very few people that would act in a morally respectable fashion in response to said profiling, only now said semi-reliable methods of profiling are GONE, which means Marvel civilians (and you know how they can be) are going to be open to the idea of a less-reliable substitute.

tl;dr Carol did far more long term harm than good based on the fact that she was right ONCE (and still ill-prepared) and Hydra Cap's going to capitalize on her foolishness.

>>90890306
Wait if she knows he's Matt, then she knows he's blind, so it means he doesn't even see her flipping him off lol

>>90893266
>He was a good boy
>Didn't do nuffin
>Trying to get his life together
>Need more tanks for dem programs

>>90904309
>Originally, the big inciting event of Civil War was Speedball getting Happy Hogans kid killed. Speedball was supposed to be yapping and shit, grandstanding for the public and one of the robbers he was trying to bust said fuck it and shot Happy's kid in the face.
>They ditched that (plus Julia Carpenter killing herself after her daughter gets kidnapped post registration act going into effect, after the robber told her to start killing people for them or else they'd kill her daughter) and having the ending bascially be World War Hulk and Cap losing his powers.
Wait what? Can I get a source on this?
Happy Hogan doesn't even have a kid.
And why the fuck would someone kidnap a kid just to compel a superhero to kill people? And wouldn't said hero killing themselves lead to the criminal just killing the kid?

>>90908319
Yeah...there's a reason it was ditched.

Both becauae of narrative reasons and because it was fucking stupid.

>>90895732
Yeah, that was definitely the dumbest thing in that whole movie.

>>90903828
you know, some people on a train did this for spider-man once too-- I think it's just hip to have people hate on heroes in comics now-- wasn't it similar during vietnam too-- fuck the government fuck heroes-- the writers just ape the culture around them

>>90890306
Has there ever been a storyline of a hero turned villain because he got too annoyed with civilians?

>>90890879
They are all coming from Hub City

>>90895110
The guy robbing the bank wasn't planning on busting through the wall after being thrown by the "hero". He just wanted to rob a bank and leave until Johny do good decided to level an entire city block for 10k pesos worth of loot

>>90895732
>full scale alien invasion
it was like one battalion. they closed the wormhole before the other 98% of the army could get through

>>90891757
>>90894836
>>90896910
Hey now if Daredevil told me that he would be keeping an eye on my house then I would be pissed as well

>>90908664
Retards can't understand this though

>>90908319
>>90904309
I've heard of this before, but I've never heard of Julia Carpenter being the hero who's kid was kidnapped. Mark Millar wanted the hero to be a "friend" of Speedball's, he never got around to thinking of a particular hero.

>>90904309
These are all Millar's ideas I assume? Why is he such a dumbass?

Didn't we realize in a "What would happen if Superman was real" thread ages ago that we're actually Marvel's civilians?

>>90897647
I could have sworn that this did actually happen over in DC. Like Green Arrow publicly called it quits and Star City fell to shit; not because of super villains, but regular thugs.

>>90891320
is this the story arc where daredevil turns out to be an impersonator or something?

>>90902249
This is JLA/Avengers and its great.

The Justice League thinks that the Avengers are a supervillain group because of how distrusting and downright hostile Marvel civvies are to them when they show up to save the day.

The Avengers think that the Justice League is a supervillain group that has conquered and mind controlled Earth-0 because of how appreciative and thankful DC civvies are to them when they show up to save the day.

>>90894965
Pretty sure it shows up in the Spawn HBO series, I think.

Then again, though, there aren't a lot of truly innocent civilians running around in that series

>>90890306
Because they're from New York

All of them

And now that New York is president, we are all New Yorkers

>>90895702
I think they were going for the whole "he's seen a world where the physically superior was praised in the papers, had statues erected in their honor, and were also in control. It was nazi germany"
but they're TERRIBLE at writing it.

>>90895732
this is what I can't understand
>civilian deaths effectively far less than any military operation
>less than even industrial accident
>suddenly, global restrictions like patriot act x 10 get passed
That's a bit weird. Like, no local ones first. Just straight to the global ones.

I wonder if we'll see in the other movies hints that the sakovia accords were masterminded by an evil villain.

>>90904735
How the fuck does anyone keep up the rent in New York? Is minimum wage there $15/hr?

I live in Tennessee, live in an okay apartment that's $635/m plus electric, phone bill, my portion of the family car insurance, and ScamCast, and all of that is basically $850-$900 average all together.

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>>90909146
Hey now, New Yorkers have despised Donald Trump for years.

>>90904447

Different in the way a literal god would from an average smuck, i.e. flowing locks, great muscles etc.

>>90909205
Shhh.
Don't let Alt-Righters or /pol/ hear you; the party narrative is that Trump has always been beloved and has always done the right thing.

>>90909224
And a horse face.

>>90909205
>>90909231
That isn't what I said you salty fucks. I said that New Yorkers are assholes like the president. And now we are all assholes. You liked the United States of Bland? The US of Texas? Welcome to the US of NY.

>>90909395
Americans have always been assholes. That's why we're all here. We either got kicked out here, stormed off here, or got enslaved by the people already here.