JSA Storytime: Manhunter

Hello. RIP Bernie Wrightson. Slott having a meltdown on CBR lol.

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>>90869993
that's a bit of a spine bend

Shit how is it this late already

Manhunter #25
The solo adventures of Kate Spencer come to a stunning conclusion-but her new life as a dark hero has only just begun! Final issue.

Thank you Didio

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>>90870032
F

also, christ, Slott, that's really a panic meltdown, jeeeeeeesus

RIP Bernie Wrightson

>>90870032

From a thread where I was called Slott for asking

>I have no idea what the fuck people are talking about with this breakdown

>It's so weird how /co/ stretches and distorts stuff instead of just saying they think dude makes shitty comics and dislike him bc of that

>>90870135
Wasn't there another creator meltdown on CBR recently?

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>>90870091
Yes, from here on out we are purely here by the Grace of the DiDio

>>90869993
Hello, Storyteller.

We know return to Single Female Lawyer, starring Kaye Spencer, with special guest star Diana of Themyscira.

And oh joy, it's yet another damn crossover. Let's hope this one is at least not intolerably painful.

>>90870107
>also, christ, Slott, that's really a panic meltdown, jeeeeeeesus
it felt like it started veering into conspiracy theory territory at points with the

I know Slott's gone on rants before but this was excessive even for him, jeez

>>90870154
Yeah it was another Marvel guy. Maybe the Wasp one? Can't remember exactly.

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>>90870170
So, basically? This is the best of all possible worlds actual engagement with "Diana kills Max Lord".

>>90870211
LLOGTFO

>>90870198
I feel the need to repost this

nydailynews.com/entertainment/marvel-kill-character-civil-war-ii-article-1.2491020

>“Do you see me worried? I’m not worried,” whispers “Amazing Spider-Man” writer Dan Slott. “This is not my first rodeo. By the end of the afternoon, it won’t be Peter Parker.”

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>>90870279
Also, I'm kind of drunk

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>>90870332

>>90870332
It's St. Patrick's day, and you're a well known lover of fine booze. We'd be surprised if you weren't.

>>90870422
>"fine" booze

>>90870452
I'm not going to call OP an alcoholic, Anon, not after she's taking the time to post good comics for us.

>>90870154
>>90870211
I think it was the Mosaic guy arguing with someone

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>>90870511
<3

>>90870452
I'm drinking Live Oak hefe, motherfucker

>>90870042
>hating on Art Adams
I knew you were a faggot

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>>90870600
is this /d/?

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>>90870648
Hey, I call them as I see them regardless of artistic legend status

Since you're all alcoholics here...
>Muh gf is likely breaking up with me
Recommend me a drink.

>>90870407
I *really* like the way Wondy's hair is drawn here. Its a good compromise between the overly curly hair of the 90s and the more traditional straight hair.

>>90870650
FML I cannot ignore that Marston /d/ is my kinda /d/.

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>>90870719
what do you like in general?

I am mostly puzzled by what exactly Slott was trying to accomplish with that meltdown.

>>90870761
I'm eternally out of the loop on writers going crazy on the internet. Did something happen recently?

>>90870761
Trying to look cool like when EVS went after Desh?

>>90870719
I pretty much only drink whisky and vodka nowadays. If you're gonna get wrecked remember to take precautions against doing something really stupid e.g. maybe you don't need to have your phone around.

>>90870719
whatever's closest

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>>90870761
The more I think about it, the more it's that it's not that he's trying to be manipulative, it's that it lays bare the real Slott--the desperately clinging manchild who knows that corporate could fuck him at any time, but is trying to fortify himself against the essential exigency of his life's work.

>>90870790
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/03/18/peter-parkermary-jane-watson-marriage-will-never-ever-return-infinity-says-dan-slott/

Man, Bernie Wrightson... it's funny how I didn't notice it until it was too late, but he really did influence the way I draw grotesque, scary stuff.

The Cult changed my life, man. And only because of the art.

>>90870650
Eh, more /u/ than /d/.

>>90870719
Oh come on! Now you're rec-fagging for booze? Goddammit.

>>90870795
That Trumpkin piece of shit will never be "cool".

>>90870755
>what do you like in general?
European beers which are available in non-Europe.

>>90870797
I'm good when it comes to phone control, and this is more about me promising myself a future catharsis over the coming days, as opposed to one big binge when things feel the worst.

>>90870862
>Oh come on! Now you're rec-fagging for booze?
Yes.

>>90870650
Gotta hand it to Kate: she handled getting Marston'd up really well.

>>90870888
yeah but he bullied that Johnfag pretty well

>>90870862
Hey /co/, I'm new to all this Can any of you recommend me ways to bother cranky?

>>90870925
Of course he did, he's no better than a Neo-Nazi.

Thanks for the bleeding cool link about Slott (that's what I was fishing for with the repost!!)

>>90870817

Way to make him sound sympathic. Cant get too invested in corporate comics, Slott should know by now the thing is Faustian af

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>>90870797
YES, stash your phone, and put a bottle of water nearby.

>>90870817
Damn OP you go hard when you want to. I bet he just shuddered somewhere.

>>90869993
Hey there OP. Currently watching Iron Fist. On episode 2 and already disappointed Danny isn't just meditating through the drugs, like that time Colleenter cured herself of heroin addiction that one time with second hand Iron Fist chi.

Will come in more fully after this episode.

>>90870907
Confirmed for cape /d/om.

>>90870937
You don't need to try. Eventually something you do will regardless.

FabNic is writing something for that Secret Empire anthology book. Also saw him make a dig at what writers after him did to Zemo.

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>>90870902
Hmmm. Okay, my favorite German beers that you can probably get are

1) Fransiskaner
2) Köstritzer
3) Jever

>>90870969
LOL TY ANON

>>90871032
really? he did that one a long time ago, but if he's WRITING...

>>90870937
From what I've noticed:
-ask for recommendations
-praise intercompany crossovers
-praise non-Big Two comics
-praise Catwoman
-generally be a well adjusted person

>>90871082
don't forget liking Supergirl, talking about sex ever, or knowing who Mike Allred is

>>90871082
I think he's the JL Action sidekicks guy too

>>90871082
>>90871109
Reminder Cranky would be at least 50:50 on fucking a robot.

>>90871077

>@FabianNicieza I loved BORN BETTER a lot and it sucks they took that character development & just went in an extreme 180.
>@JonHexLives never underestimate the ability of a writer to fuck up the hard work of the writer(s) that came before them. we all do it.

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>>90871082
Cranky, you're a goddamn /co/ institution

BTW, I am drunk *and* listening to Harmonielehre again, which is why I'm distracted

>>90871126
of course, robots wouldn't be asking him for comic recs during

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>>90871145
..............yeaaaah....

>>90871141
oh MAN, that's cold. And true.

>>90871141
Ha! I like how he can be self-deprecating while shitting on others.

>>90871148
kek

>>90871141
Even if Secret Empire turns out to be a shitshow I'll still love that Spencer gave us that page of straight up shade on the last 10 years of Zemo.

>>90871141
wow, that's not a subtle dig at all

I love it

>>90871180
It's clever too as CYA insurance.

>>90871110
Oh go fuck yourself. The blatant hypocrisy on display here is just disgusting.

You people go absolutely APE SHIT over the "mansplaining" bit, but the "sidekicks" line, that's just fine because you retards are too busy jerking off to Diana's hair. Fuck you.

>>90871145
I just can't deal with Chase x Dylan.

>>90871175

I have a feeling that if FabNic ever got his hands on Zemo again he'd non-stop shit on Brubaker and pull a Xorneto-like retcon with Helmut within three issues.

>>90871248
luv u too

>>90871141
That's some Real Fucking Talk.

>>90871175
Aw fuck, this dude.

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>>90871248

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>>90871175
LOL SCIENTOLOGY

>>90871248
LOL

>>90871254
I love it because it's so not right, really

>>90871257
SPEAKING OF, I was reminded today that has anyone every drawn Quentin Quire and made him WORK like Quitely?

>>90871254
Yeah same. Shes so far out of his league in every way possible. Hes just an annoying henchie who gets to bang a mega hottie? He doesn't even have a great personality to compensate

>>90871248
I love jerking it to WW's hair and you can't stop meeeee

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>>90871319
Like, seriously, Cameron Chase's Life Story is "fucks up", so banging Dylan is 10000% in line with that.

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>>90870991
Sorry for the image, but I've been waiting for the chance to make this joke.

and to the five of you who care, I'll be back with Parkerbolts tomorrow

>>90871328
If you wanna look with a little bit of irony, it can kind of be a send-up of the "annoying comic relief gets laid" in general because Dylan is shown as just as unpleasant as he really is. But honestly everyone in this comic is a little bit extra flirty so I wouldn't be confident in that reading.

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>>90871319
I'm convinced Morrison wrote Quire as a satirical character and idiots like Aaron took the satire at face value because, well, they're idiots.

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>>90871444
I'm largely down with that reading too

Quitely draws him as simultaneously this annoying adolescent shitbag AND actually threatening, and it's a very difficult balance to pull off.

>>90871434
Nice arms from the ladies.

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>>90871488
bitches don't skip arms day

>>90871444

That's what I thought was the point when I read New X-Men for the first time.

>>90871434
Okay, so I'm just gonna say it. Andreyko writes a solid Diana.

And I am forced to give this crossover faint praise for having the "they fight" part be a simple training exercise. But you don't get a fuckin' medal for avoiding cliches.

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>>90871514
although DESU building arms as a grill is a fucking pain, you do all this work and for what

>>90871482
Silly Manhunter, this isn't the Marvel Universe.

I recently reread some of the JLA/Avengers crossover, and LOVE that Cap immediately decided that the Justice League were a bunch of fascist overlords because people actually like their heroes over there

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>>90871564
oh Dylan

>>90871482
There are some other Brit artists who draw kinda distorted/grotesque characters by default that I'd like to see take on X-Men, and Quire by extension. Who will probably never work on US stuff, so eh.

>>90870135
I wonder if anyone would have ever hated Slott if he had never gotten Spider-Man.

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>>90871615
I can totally see that

>>90871564
>All of Themyscira's assets have been frozen
Man that is a comic in and of itself and I'm not even making a shitty pervy joke.

>>90871434
>Last panel
>"I need an adult..."

>>90871514
Reading this page I'd totally be down for a secret justice league filled with certain superheroes who hunt down unapologetic murderous villains who somehow always manage to get away with it. It sorta almost happened in the JSA with Black Adam but that went nowhere.

I'm not sure who else would be in the team though, I feel like every hero willing to take a life was subtly taken out of existence.

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>>90871647
>Chaykinface

>>90870156
THIS is the arc I've been waiting for. I'm so curious how they're going to handle all this. I've been reading lots of post-IC Wondie appearances lately trying to really get a sense of where they were going with the Wondie of Murder thing before they just dropped it.

>>90871680
Peacekeeper

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>>90871740
Oh man, I'm kind of tanked

>>90871761
Did you privately read that weird Jodi run? What did you think of it?

>>90871783
R E T R O
S T O R Y T I M E

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>>90871783
BTW, we're off until Friday because my work schedule is brutal

I'm not quite sure what to do with respect to it?

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>>90871832
well, nothing will beat what got me into storytiming

I was a real mess then

>>90871603
Considering all the fangirling, I choose to believe that gratuitous close up of Diana's lips is meant to be from Kate's point of view.

And again, I gotta give it to Andreyko, Diana's firmly on point in this.

>>90870511
I actually used to use storytimes as an excuse to drink before I was posting as a namefag.

Something very relaxing about chilling, reading a comic, shooting the shit with the readers and downing a glass of scotch or ten.

I stopped because it was getting a bit too excessive.

>>90870937
Name your cats after comic characters.

>>90871835
>>90871873
I'm totally happy coming in for these threads two or three times a week but it's your choice, right? If you being less of a mess = less or even no storytimes, them's the breaks.

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>>90871912
I haven't bought a box of wine in a while because I could finish 5 L in about 3+ days, easy

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>>90871967
it's not so much mess more as "I'm working until 10 and storytime after is ugly/not gonna happen but I really miss the days of I Had No Life"?

>>90870685
Okay, I chuckled a bit at "Wait a minute, I don't speak Tibetan"

I guess the one good thing out of the Iron Fist show is that I got a free month of Marvel Unlimited out of it

>>90871680
Arthur and Mera would do it. Probably J'onn too. Get Amethyst in there too, why not.

>>90870719
Booze preferences are entirely based on palate. You know better than we do what flavours you actually enjoy. Otherwise just whatever's strongest, dude.

>>90871444

It's probably my fav story of Moz's run and I love QQ. Follow Up stuff has not been great

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>>90872030
and not one character could show whether the war over yet, or if we'd written off the debt

>>90872176
>>90871680
Katana and Geo-Force, maybe?

>>90872176
>Arthur and Mera would do it
>Mera sneaks out at night
>Arthur follows her one night to find out why
>she's been turning criminals into dust with her water powers
>"This is because you never let me have fun, Arthur!"

>>90872218
I was super disappointed in that run. Didn't even dislike ti as a whole, but it was so uneven and at times unfocused. My favorite was the Xorn one shot with art from JPL.

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>>90872232
oh my god bless his heart HE CARES

>>90872304
Why is he so imperfect?

>>90872244
Man, Geo-Force was a mess right before Flashpoint. I remember something about going to war with New Krypton or something like that

>>90872304
He said the L word! This could be awkward.

>>90872244
>Geo-Force
>"We need at least one character who basically doesn't exist on the team"

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>>90872323
because he's a surprisingly real human being from the mind of Marc Andreyko and that's why i like him so much

>>90871808
Still haven't gotten to it because I left the files in my storytime folder, I think I'm gonna finally post it this week.

I actually haven't read anything period in like two weeks, just haven't been able to focus at all.

To the point where I can't even follow the story in this thread, so I'm probably just gonna fuck off for now. Thanks for the chat y'all.

>>90871740

He said he's worried about getting arrested for that Civil War 2 comic

>>90871319
>SPEAKING OF, I was reminded today that has anyone every drawn Quentin Quire and made him WORK like Quitely?

The only Quentin Quire who has ever worked is the AU one from that Exiles oneshot.

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>>90872379
I'm having a hard time focusing right now

:(

>>90872379
Goodnight, Texas.

>>90872304
Her face haw haw haw

>>90872244
Katana would. Bitch don't play.

Oh shit, how could I forget Huntress? That's like half of Helena's deal.

>>90872260
The Aquas are old school monarchs, which often means getting medieval on motherfuckers.

Still mad bc of this thread I own a comic with Geo Force in it

>>90871419
Hurray! Also, yeah... I get the feeling there won't be a Lee Wing by the end of the season already.

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>>90872406
I drank all my hard booze the other night anyways

:(

>>90872436
he's cute, it's ok

>>90872402
I think the meaning is more Quitely's Quentin looks like a snotty little shit but also like a fucking supervillain.

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>>90872436
VICTORY AT SEA

>>90872465
exactly! Quitely gets this perfectly curdled sense of menace into him that everyone since misses.

>>90872232
>and not one character could show whether the war over yet, or if we'd written off the debt
????

>>90871434
And then they kiss.

>>90871444
I don't know, "self important subculture douchebag" kinda just feels like Morrison's default target audience to me, so mocking them seems self defeating.

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>>90872500
I'm drunk and listening to Nixon in China, and accordingly mangling the excellent text

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>>90872539
I'd normally say yes to that but Quitely puts so much particular spirit into it, it's really remarkable to me

>>90872359
>last panel
Ah yes, the Streisand Effect. Classic.

Oh man I just realized an updated QQ would be like an alt right shithead. It would be hilarious just for online bitching

>>90872432
Huntress would LOVE being in a team where she can actually kill people without Batman or Canary getting up in her grill. Like,
>"Don't try to stop me! This bastard's had it coming for a long time!"
>"Cool, you go ahead, we'll wait in the car."
>"... hold on, you're not gonna say anything about how if I kill him I'll be no better than him?"
>"Ehh, nahh. We can stay and watch if you'd like. Try to look judgmental and stuff. Y'know. If it helps."

>>90872406
So nice to see Kate in her element.

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>>90872589
lol someone tweeted about that today which hhad it in mind for me

This dates JHW3 spectacularly in its own way

>>90870154
>>90870536
>>90870211
Any specifics on this because google isn't giving me shit

I love it when creatives and higher ups from the industry flip out on fans

>>90872495
Quitely is just stupendously good at that. You see not the same type of character but a similar expression OF character from him all the time, like right now very much in the Jupiter's thing he does with Millar. A lot of it is in the body language IMO.

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>>90871680
Aquaman, Hawkman and Wonder Woman: People who wanted to kick Barry Allen out of the Justice League for breaking Reverse Flash's neck.

Just as a point of how shifting this can be.

>>90872725

By accident no less!

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>>90872704
(in that he's been trying to recreate a period background for Chase but it reeks entirely too much of Period in a try-hard way. I don't really blame him, it's hard, but.)

>>90872722
Quitely has stupendously good body language.

>>90872725
Holy shit, that from Hawkman!!

>>90872725
that's funny

>>90872706
Shit, I wish the DESUarchive had not been down.

OP linked Mosaic-guy here a few sessions ago but I didn't click it

>>90872756

Body language, characterisation via art in general and layouts are things Quietly excels in. Which is why I want to claw people's eyes out when I see someone listing him with people like Booth or Malin because they don't like Quietly's faces.

>>90872725
And all three of those are usually depicted as more murder happy now lol

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>>90872756
I love you guys, I'm just slow and drunk tonight, I'm so sorry.

>>90872725
Man, Thanagarian police methods changed a LOT.

>>90872580
>>90872756
>>90872704
It's a tremendously fine line. I'm currently reading Grant Morrison and Steve Yeowell's Zenith, which also has a similar team of 60s hippie superheroes, and a lot of what makes it work is that you then get to see what becomes of them. They're characters in and of themselves, instead of being a bunch of one-dimensional 60s References (tm).

>>90872613
So this secret lethal league would come together whenever a villain crosses the line or the system fails, yeah?

Also, I get the feeling Helena would still be the problem member, since she'd get maybe a little too into it due to finally being around company that agrees with her.

>>90872871
No need for apologies OP.

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>>90872244
Geo-Force would totally be willing... but would create a mess of international issues by doing so.

Just imagine Prince Harry running around being an Airwolf vigilante on a global scale, going after guys still using mines or whathaveyou, and the headache that'd cause the British Government.

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>>90872838
http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?92374-IVX-6-Preview/page18

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>>90872906
I'd read that in a split second

>>90872846
Face-autism is the worst, yes. Especially when it's not even justified, Quitely does good faces, they may not be pretty, but they're GOOD.

>>90872871
That's OK, OP. Comics is good and company is better.

>>90872883
Honestly, if it were me, I'd go full dark humor and make it so Huntress is the one constantly trying to get the rest of the team to try to stop her. But in a serious sense, I can imagine Helena being a problem because she keeps trying to get everyone to go slaughter mobsters and dons and such, while the rest are focused on just a handful of supervillains. So Helena wants to make it a permanent thing while the others just want to do, say, ten or twelve guys and hopefully never have to do it again.

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>>90872959
Malin? Let me cut a bitch because Thunderbolts by Quitely is something I'd read even with fucking worthless Zub writing

>>90872722
>>90872756

His ASS stuff with Clark and Supes should be studied by like everyone doing Superman stuff

>>90872959
Yeah, they're expressive. Something I can't say about 90% of the artists plebeians like.

Rocafort being on Titans is kinda annoying.

Booth is going to look even WORSE when he comes back.

>>90872873
Zenith always feels like a bit of a Miracleman knock-off at the finish to me, but they were pretty much concurrent weren't they? It's my favourite thing Steve Yeowell ever drew regardless and I really do like Phases 1-3.

>>90872706
>>90872909
OP found it because she is great. The author of Mosaic is Redjack, and argues about what is and is not his power set

>>90869993
If singles, OP is a faggot.

>>90872542
>And then Mark was an Azrael.

>>90873006

They're fucking trolling us

>>90872906
>Just imagine Prince Harry running around being an Airwolf vigilante on a global scale, going after guys still using mines or whathaveyou, and the headache that'd cause the British Government.

Why isn't this a comic?

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>>90873027
HI SUGARTITS

>>90872580
Not muh Songbird.

Also, that ain't no Mr. Action. Mr. Action was Jimmy Olsen, and as far as I know, he's only time traveled to the future.

>>90870156
Diana looks like a blow-up doll.

>>90872906
>>90873064

actually wasn't that kind of a Crossed arc?

>>90873064
Because Prince Harry is a faggot.

>>90873010
I think there were about five-six years between the two. And yeah, Yeowell was on fire for that entire series.

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>>90873076

>>90873076
There's also the tiny little detail of Max having Superman under telepathic control, and preparing to use him as a weapon to slaughter every meta on the planet...

>>90872883
>So this secret lethal league

Wait a second... Aren't we basically just talking about the Justice League Elite here?

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>>90873160
>:(

>>90872955
Is there any super-paparazzi in comics? I don't mean someone like Peter who has ethics, how about someone who wants the story/photo no matter what?

>>90873189
So how has Ted been in Blue Beetle rebirth?

Does the book still suck ass?

>>90872986
I miss Sasha :(

>But shes back now!

meh not really

>>90873197

I think there was a Spidey villain around Brand New Day who had that for a gimmick

>>90873206
I heard people saying it had gotten better but I haven't really caught up yet.

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>>90873206
I have NO idea

>>90873232
is WW Rebirth as slow and shitty as ever?

>>90873232
Me too. I was so happy when she showed up...

>>90873206
Yeah and yeah, last issue picked up a bit but we know this shit is still going till #9 and Giffens pacing is not made for a monthly book.

>>90870650
I'm cracking up over that last panel because it looks exactly like the hentai clips I stumbled onto back in the early 00's internet.

>>90873271
Double shipping has made me think that monthly shipping is SOOOOOO SLOOOOOOW

Deathstroke seems to be back to monthly in the preview for next solicits

Don't know how I'm gonna cope when the rest of the double shipping books I'm reading go to monthly

>>90873264
>is WW Rebirth as slow and shitty as ever?
I haven't read the last several issues because it was going so slow lol.

>>90873264
Nowlan is so cool.

>>90873319
I wish they'd at least put a better artist on it...

>>90870719
Root beer

>>90873264
The Godwatch arc is better in my opinion.

Though I read the first two arcs in trade and it's so much better lol
Makes me kinda wish Rucka would make a deal with DC to just do OGNs like Morrison did.

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>>90873264
WW has fascinating retrospectively soured me on Rucka

>>90873369
How do you mean?

>>90873369
I was on the same boat but The Old Guard really brought me back. A bloody great time, that book.

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>>90873426
It's pointed out all the drag-ass in his arcs I got to read as a whole, among other things

Also I'm now very, very aware of the Rucka Type of characterization

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>>90873465
>Nate intensifies

>>90873465
As in how Rucka does characterization, or his character stereotypes? Cause I can definitely see the latter with Barbara Ann.

>>90873465

>Also I'm now very, very aware of the Rucka Type of characterization

I remember getting so much shit for bitching about being bored of her this years and years ago

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>>90873517
HMMMM

>>90873517
Diana, you have a magic truth lasso. Use it.

>>90873323
This is me.

I think I finished all of the Year One story but it seemed like he was just setting the table for the conflicting origin stuff in the present day arc and I just have no patience for dragging it out that much.

>>90873552
Ted's in pretty good shape for someone who is supposed to be over the hill by now (and buried under it)

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>>90873534
>>90873538
HARD ALCOHOLIC LESBIANS

It was really forcing Bea into a Type that broke me on that front.

>>90870839
Jesus Christ he just keeps going and going.

>>90873552
Are the Madmen Ted's only villains?

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>>90873609
Like, you know how there's enough but you don't care, but that one little thing pushes you over the edge?

It's a little bit like how Women Write About Comics doesn't bother to edit submissions for grammar or coherence or anything.

>>90873629

Max Lord
Ozymandius
Moloch

>>90873629
>Madmen
WE ARE AT CRANKY DEFCON 5 I REPEAT

>>90873629
Suicide is another villain of his

>>90873465
> Rucka Type of characterization

He has this very specific kind of character that pops up in all his works - the hardened, traumatised, no non-sense military woman (who is often a lesbian). I like this kind of character but it's hard to forget once you start to notice that he is basically writing the same character in all his works.

>>90873662

>Women Write About Comics

oh man i just read a thing there about the cover for Island 15 (RIP) and it was the most wtf thing.

i really need to look for better/more comic writing things to take in. writing about comics rather.

>>90873609
I haven't really followed Lazarus all that much (maybe the first trade and a bit). Has that series been hit by the same traits?

>>90873609
>>90873662
Yeah, I getchoo. I've been re-reading a lot of 2000AD of late and there there's a common 'Sexy Female Super Spy' that really starts to grate when it hits over and over and over and

>>90870839

why doesn't rich link to slott's first post?

>>90873694
The bigger problem is that they all talk the same.

>>90873609
Does Gotham just have outright the thickest heroic legacy in the DC Universe?

Because I assume with this museum here, that means they got a bonus generation of heroes between Alan Scott/Greg Saunders, and Batman.

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>>90873713
That was interesting to me because I got much of the objection, but there was some that I wanted to say GET OVER YOURSELF about and its privileging of the artistic object over the realization of fucking LIFE in

>>90873743

oh geeze he was in the thread from the start huh.

>>90873662

Women Write About Comics has the occasionally interesting article or interview but for the most part their articles are barely above tumblr-tier garbage. And as a fellow queer woman I find their style of 'activism' and contributors unhelpful and obnoxious more often than not.

>>90873694
Now now, let's be fair. Sometimes it's a hardened, traumatised, no non-sense *police* woman! Who is often a lesbian!
Jokes aside, that's 100% right, and it's particularly rough when there's no other characters to really balance it out, which is what drove me away from Stumptown.

>>90873662
It's one thing when he's doing it to his own characters or to characters with little characterization before, but when it's someone with decades of work behind them, and when what he does is such a 180° from that work...

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>>90873776
This, THIS is "get over your fucking self", and I'm a woman who's been catcalled to no end

>My worry is that I read in the drawings a falsified, artist-born permissiveness which has been expected of me and which I cannot perform as it is contrary to my sense of life. And I also read an equation of this specifically, personally appalling permissiveness with the subject of the drawing, which is almost always suggested to be “an attractive woman.” My rejection of the art and any argument for its merit is visceral, because the art is communicating a demand (a demand) that I have encountered and suffered from. If art asks a question, my response in these cases is no. But art doesn’t only ask a question; art suggests statements, answers questions too.

>>90873800

It was Lazarus that broke me with Rucka. That, and Lazarus was very slow and boring despite its potential.

>>90871319
It helps that Quitely doesn't do attractive. Makes him a perfect fit for fuggo hipster fashions.

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>>90873797
The chief editor has just enough theory to be annoying but also the general confession of "I don't actually read enough DC" to be dismissable for talking about Big Two, and I don't care what she wanks about for indies

In other words: grow the fuck up, Claire.

>>90873776
>>90873824

the whole article just seemed like it was going in with the worst faith possible which I think is what bugged me about it. I thought it was a great cover and clearly like a positive image. Stylish, cool looking woman with a raised fist.

The part that was like "She's not dressed right for revolution" was fucking awful

>>90873824

I am honest to god struggling to make sense of what they are even trying to say there.

>>90873873

I follow some of the writers on twitter and keep waiting to get caught in an autoblocker or something

>>90873797
Can you people stop using "queer" instead of gay? queer means wrong/weird.

>>90870839

>Not happening. Over a quarter of a century has been spent by Marvel to undo it. The change from 2007 is the one where they put their collective foot down. It ain’t happening. Sorry. Ever. It’s not a question of “current writers” or “current editorial”. Marvel wants it to stay undone. Could the CHARACTERS come back together in the core continuity in a relationship that’s not a marriage? Sure. But the marriage is NEVER being officially restored.

does Slott know Marvel isn't like a person?

hell they got married in the first place because of Stan!! If that dude isn't the embodiment of Marvel I don't know what is

>>90873913
it's not the 30s anymore grandpa

>>90873873
Jfc, those people have no room to play themselves up as experts of comics in that case. Seriously, what the fuck.

>>90873913
It's been reclaimed

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>>90873875
I am not a black woman and thus I have to say any stereotypes I'm catching are at a distance, and it can't be painful for me, so I'm not gonna say

But I'm laughing HARD because CN is referencing an argument she had with Sarah Horrocks about Frank Cho, and that as a female body I'm full in on.

>>90873953
lol inorite

>>90871482
What made you bring up Quietly's Quentin all of a sudden?

>>90873824
... what. Holy shit, that is SOME self-absorption.

>>90873848
Oh yeah. I still enjoy it somewhat, but holy shit it takes a while for it to go anywhere. And it doesn't help that he's taking the Jonathan Hickman style of world-building where most of it is left in the backmatter or even just suggested.
It's why I'm tentatively excited for The Old Guard (despite running into the same old Rucka tropes): issue one was much faster-paced than anything he's written in years. Though having Fernandez on art definitely didn't hurt either.

>>90873978
it's fucking stupid.

>>90873713
I was reading this review there of Betty and Veronica and it felt like they wouldn't say why they were really mad so they were talking around it in code.

>Gal Pals: Bigoted Company Marvel Tries to Erase Lesbian Heroes

I was gonna make fun of this for the title but Marvel's fuck up that the article is about is infinitely funnier

>The article in question is about “a few of the Marvel Universe’s most notable female friendships” calling them “friends and teammates.” On paper wow, awesome, it’s what we are all about; woman power, friends, and being awesome together
>Includes Angela and Sera and Ayo and Aneka

>>90873694
>>90873800
Does he have a similarly present male personality (aka just laziness) or is it just that he was praised for writing one woman that way and is afraid to chance course in a way that isn't seen as safely "feminist"?

>>90873913
I actually think that dichotomy is great, but I'm looking at it from a linguistic/literary POV, so, y'know.

>>90873901
Now don't quote me on this, but I think it might be saying something to the likes of "I see the general laissez-faire attitude of drawing hot women as something that people expect me to share, and I don't share that and am personally apalled not just by the drawings themselves but by the attitude that spawned them. Artists draw hot women without really thinking of the effect they can have on the audience, and expect said audience to have the same attitude."
But I haven't read the rest of the article, mind.

>>90874088
>expect
I think you mean demand (demand).

>>90874084

>is afraid to chance course in a way that isn't seen as safely "feminist"?

i think you are adding a lot to the idea of dude having a writing tic

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>>90873982
Someone tweeted about QQ as modern alt-right and it's pretty perfect

>>90874088
ask me when I'm not drunk, really

>>90874087
I mean, teenagers started using the word in a positive way because they wanted to feel more like snowflakes "I'm so weird xD".

>>90874084
His men are usually of the "suffering friend" variety, where they're supportive and thoughtful and caring but ultimately can't really do much to keep his heroines from self-destructing. Save for a few cases like Crispus Allen, where they are one of the main things keeping his heroines from self-destructing.
And yeah, Rucka made his bones writing Queen and Country, Whiteout, Gotham Central, a lot of hard-bitten and tough but also very believable characters. But now that's become his comfort zone.

>>90871583
>Wonder Woman arm-wrestling Wonder Man
I only wanted one thing from that crossover. And I got it.

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>>90874141

>Someone tweeted about QQ as modern alt-right and it's pretty perfect

you can even have the same ending

>>90874027
Oof. Two of the most consistently appearing lesbian couples in Marvel (who else, Karolina and Xavin?) reduced to being good friends

>>90874169
I still kinda like queer as a broader term, but I'm one of these fags who believes in a bi majority if you strip out the conditioning.

>>90874027
>Ayo and Aneka
Who?

>>90874215

They're in Black Panther. Lesbians who left Dora Milaje and started the rebellion. and stars of World of Wakanda

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>>90874141
You do comics *and* John Adams, and you end up....

>>90874215
black panther

>>90873873
Ted should've had a a glider pack more often

>>90874169
Not exactly inaccurate, but not entirely fair either.

Anyway, that's what I like about language, it morphs and transforms in so many ways across time: country matters and boner, if you're looking for a laugh, queer and colored, if you're looking for something more serious. It gives words subtext, which can either be played straight or subverted. It's great IMO.

>>90874186
QQ has dyed hair. Therefore he is a SJW. QED

>>90874274

i feel called out... OR missed a Giamatti joke

>>90874303
It's """ironic""" ;^)

>>90874310
Put out the cat, pour a drink, and go for transcendence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmDBO-T9nio

>>90874283
Queer for me are the flamboyant people, with colored hair and high pitched voice and flannel shirts or just full drag queen. Gay just means you fuck the same gender, but queer means the gay furry dildo subculture. And they are unbearable

>>90874123
Probably

>>90874173
Maybe he just needs a different kind of book? I remember during New Krypton I didn't mind his religious stuff though Thara and Chris weren't exactly strongly characterized (and I was bootyblasted by aging him up too). Though of course once you build a rep, financially maybe it's best to stick with what you do well enough.

>>90874088
More and more I find myself relating to the lesbian taxi driver in Watchmen who just wants to read Playboy.

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>>90874274
>>90874303
see, SJW cracks me up because way back when, that was the lingo in some communities for "masquerades as wanting shit but is actually after their own agenda", not as a right-wing slur like it is now

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>>90874398
batman don't got time for your shit

>>90874398
If there are two things that people seem to not like on this board, it is side-cuts for hair, and dyed hair. The Batwoman Rebirth thread had someone complaining about her side-cut (even though it was justified in the story), and the Elektra #1 had people upset by the barmaid having violet hair

People these days

>>90874398

isn't it still bitchy 20 year wealthy hipsters getting a degree in women's studies and watching Steven universe?

>>90874376
I think it's less about trying a different kind of book and more about reconnecting with how he used to write characters. Tara Chace and Renee Montoya work because despite following similar lines, you can see where they're coming from and where they're going. But nowadays, those strong characterization beats are getting drowned in decompressed storylines, wonky world-building, nothing arcs and, yeah, repetition. A lot of what he writes nowadays feels like it's on auto-pilot and at very slow speed.

>>90874510

None of those hair cuts ever look good though. Unless you're a super model doing the ironic unfeminine aesthetic. Which is stupid

>>90874495
Is she having a fangirl moment over Batman? lol

>>90874495

Kek

>>90874549
Not him, but to me they're just generally edgy looks. Like emo stuff when it was popular.

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>>90874495


CAPTCHAAAA
Kind of yes, but it was an internal critique as opposed to an external weapon

>>90874549
Senpai, are we being real here?

>>90874398
>>90874495
I always love the "multiple tiers" of superhero society present in this comic. Its something I wish comic universes would do more often. Too frequently everyone knows everyone and they're all on the same level but it really shouldn't be that way. If Superman or Batman walks into the room it should make all the street level unknown heroes gawk as they're literally living legends and should be treated as such.

If the CEO of a billion dollar company walks into the same room as the cubical workers everyone knows something has happened and it alters the state of everyone in it. If Gangbuster is running around and Superman floats out of nowhere he won't play it off as nothing special.

>>90874549
>None of those hair cuts ever look good though.
Let's agree to disagree.

Also, in what way are those "unfeminine"? And furthermore, how is that relevant?

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>>90874654

>>90874645

I miss emu kids. Linkin park was underrated

>>90874654
Again, how is this taking longer that a good lassoing to figure out?

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>>90874725
Because we're as drunk as I am which is saying something

>>90874662

Think girl with the dragon tattoo. Like punk if punk wasn't dead

>>90874745
>The DNA sample will prove it.

as if this isn't a universe with clones? nice try

>>90874760
Can you elaborate on this one, c?
>a super model doing the ironic unfeminine aesthetic. Which is stupid

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>>90874745

>>90874760
I have never seen that movie, so that analogy means nothing to me.

>punk is dead
Punk by its very nature is paradoxical, so that also means nothing.

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>>90874848

>>90874722
Linkin Park being really big is slightly pre-emo if I remember right. I associate Linkin Park with like my early teens.

I'm reading the Illuminated Comics tumblr for the first time, and man is Marvel really that predictable? They have a page about the Fall 2017 lineup that is very, very close to the books that are actually coming out.

I finished the zippys that were on the tumblr (everything is illuminated and illuminated wars) but noticed that the Time Runs Out folders were empty. Was there a parody done for that?

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>>90874880

I figured out the problem with Slott's rant and it's that people want Peter and MJ married because it's the culmination of their story. it's not a continuity nitpick

( i mean there are assholes about it but you know)

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>>90874949
yes, and no

I'm out for now. Goodnight all, happy hangover OP

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>>90875007
welll, Friday I should be less drunk?

you know where to find me, right?

>>90875050
cheers OP

>>90875050
Thanks, OP.

>>90873609
>HARD ALCOHOLIC LESBIANS
OP is a Rucka character.

Holy shit.

>>90875007
I like how this post from 2015 predicted IvX in 2017

http://illuminatingcomics.tumblr.com/post/129409604295/2017-marvel-again-uncivil-scuffle-x-men-vs

>>90875050
Thanks as always OP

>>90875088
Hypercrisis proven legitimate yet again

island is going out with a bang!

>>90875050

foolkiller thread?

Live a poem!

>>90875101
>Frank and Milo are working on a variant together

>>90875050

Thanks and good night, OP!

>>90875050
Thanks OP! Good luck with the hangover.

>>90875050
See you then.

>>90875050
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.

Y'know, for a crossover, this isn't complete garbage. Helps that it's bothering to do something actually interesting, unlike most.

Have fun with that hangover, by the way.

>>90875244
oh god I am gonna hurt tomorrow


fuck you, anon

bump for readers i guess

>>90876452

>>90871680
Two of the Manhunters (Kate and Mark). Any white cape that's served in Suicide Squad. Probably a few of the Outsiders, Red Hood, Artemis, maaaybe Bizarro.

Annd, I dunno. Killer Capes don't really strike me as interesting unless they're some kind of villain protagonist, ala Foolkiller.

>>90878436
I loved how the Secret Six were usually scumbags who were taking out OTHER scumbags

>>90871645
Hell, maybe if he hadn't been involved in Amazing for a fucking decade.

>>90872432
Which reminds me that Jeckie would be a good candidate if you allow time travel.

>>90878514
That is essentially the Skwad too.

>>90882033
Probably a good few Legionnaires. There's definitely room for a Legion kill squad, but it's an argument that's been had before and would probably be unbearably edgy.

>>90881890
True.

>>90871986
>>90872030

I do like that Kate is always really good at her job even if she is a bit of a fuckup elsewhere

>>90871434
Friend of mine writes mainly lesbian themed fanfic. Wasn't aware that one of them was based on a specific issue.
Also, how close the original comes to being as gay as a fic with elevator sex in it.

>>90871645
I liked his Arkham mini. Hard to believe it's the same guy.

>>90886588
Link

>>90887173
This

>>90883504
The difference being: Skward is controlled by Amanda Waller for the US government to take out sketchy targets, and the Secret Six are (spoilers) also actually being controlled by Amanda Waller for her own purposes

>>90890061
Can't stall the Wall.

>>90875101
This is eerie.

>>90878280

>>90875005
Do you think, though? There's stories you can tell with a married Peter and MJ. I mean what married couples are there in cape comics at the moment, who actually get stories?

>>90896346
Lois and Clark is about what I've got.

>>90887173
https://archiveofourown.org/works/167211

This is how I show my love for you, Anon.

>>90897040
>selfcest BDSM
>Betty/V
wew

>Blake's 7
lol

>>90897781
>>90897040
Also TY anon, I should be polite.

>>90869993
bump

are we on for today?

>>90902218
>>90875050