X-Men

>>90852666
NO wolverine

He was suppose to be a character that reflected the angst of the people during the Vietnam war

and ushered in the 80's and 90's edgy grungeness

>>90853153
>wolverine
x-men are popular without him, he didn't become popular for a long time either. Storm was the most popular early on.

the O5 aren't that great, the reboot where X recruits Storm, Collosus, etc was when it was interesting

>>90852666
The O5 didn't have the best powers. Cyclops, Iceman and Jean had the best powers, and Iceman, at the time, was kind of meh.

Compare that to Storm, Colossus, Wolverine and Nightcrawler.

Also, Stan Lee's writing. After him, I think it was Roy Thomas, it at least got better.

>>90852666
Stan Lee was never a good writer, but he was always one of the best idea men out there. He just needed someone to give his idea a proper treatment.

>>90853434
Storm only became popular because of the 90's cartoon

Now shes irrelevant again

>>90852666
boring writers, boring characters.

>>90852666
It was really boring at the beginning.

Most Silver Age Marvel books had some sort of narrative hook that plagued the hero (Peter Parker is always broke, Tony Stark can't take off his shirt, Bruce Banner's anger issues). The X-Men had 'racism', but it wasn't as pronounced as it would become later. It took awhile for Stan to find their personalities and voices as well (Beast was more of a dumb oaf and Professor X in love with Jean Grey, for example).

When compared to the other books, it felt like Lee and Kirby didn't put in as much effort. Marvel was only able to publish a limited number of books every month at that time (8 I think), and the owner Goodman was too cheap to hire other people, so they had to put out something. I love Kirby but X-Men is not his strongest work. Things got better towards the end of the run, especially the Neal Adams issues, but they were always considered the bottom of the totem pole and never had the love most of the other characters received.

Supposedly when the book was going to be cancelled, there was an uptick in sales enough to keep publishing it as a reprint book instead.

>>90853672
>Iceman, at the time, was kind of meh.
The thing is though, Marvel was trying to create an ice copy of Human Torch who was very much popular at the time.

>>90852666

Back when it came out in comics and throughout the 70's, 80, 90's it was only thought to be for kids...which it was for the most part. Now those kids are all grown up and want movies on their childhood favorites.

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>>90852666
PEOPLE ARE RACIST, BUT WE GOTS POWERS N SHIET.

>>90852666
Silver Age X-Men was boring as fuck. It hit an okay stride once Roy Thomas got in there, but was still never as exciting as the later versions.

>>90852666
Because the original run was nothing terribly special. You had a core team, with their father figure/mentor, and a few recurring extras doing run of the mill superhero stuff.

Nothing groundbreaking at the time. You had Avengers and the Fantastic Four doing something similar. Only the Avengers were treated as actual super heroes, and the Fantastic Four had some interesting sci-fi stuff going on.

When Claremont took over and rebooted the series, he took it in a much more dramatic direction as opposed to focusing on action and heroics. Thats what set X-Men apart in the late 70s and 80s and got it popular.

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>>90853758
>Professor X in love with Jean Grey

I love how this is brought up during the Onslaught event. And then you think, "Oh right, who hasn't been in love with Jean Grey at some point?"

>>90857113
Iceman.

>>90852666
Because the original comic issues suck.
Don't bother reading anything before issue 94.

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>>90857273

>>90857273
Yeah iceman was boring before he was gay. Now that he's hitting up gay swingers clubs, having crazy heroine filled orgies and battles with AIDS he is way more interesting.

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>>90857351
This doesn't work either way. Herc is a greek god. He fucks anything he fancies.

>>90857351
And then Jean Grey used her mind powers to rape him.

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>>90857416
No Logic with 05 Jean. Anything can Happen.

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>>90857465
At Least something positive came out from Bendis run. Or those edits.

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>>90857472

>>90852666
since when is count vertigo an x-man?

>>90857273
>>90857273
this is literally a cutaway scene from family guy

>>90852666
Lee and Kirby were phoning it in.

Under them the book just kinda sucked.

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>>90857634

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Last one.

>>90857273
Did Jean Grey turn Iceman gay with her psychic powers?

>>90858228
Yes.

>>90853672
>Cyclops, Iceman and Jean had the best powers
>Compare that to Storm, Colossus, Wolverine and Nightcrawler
So, there are very obvious differences between Colossus and Beast in regards to their power sets, but you can break them both down to being super strong. Expanding on that, the only real difference between them then becomes the fact that Beast is more like a gorilla and Colossus has steel skin. Does Colossus have better powers because he has steel skin because he's more visually appealing than Beast?

>>90857865
i like this one.

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>>90858341
who doesn't love big furry guys cracking wise and doing SCIENCE!

when Stan Lee says that the mutant thing was so he didn't have to come up with power origins, its emblematic of his and Kirby's whole tenure on the book. They just threw things at the wall and hoped it stuck every issue. The school setting and sentinels were the strongest part.

>>90852666
Because the team's set up was boring. It got better overtime, but its initial hook was rather stale.

>>90857833
>Why do I keep coming in this place?

Intentional or bad English?

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The non-meme answer is that Kirby was the one creating these comics and at that point in his career he was probably drawing and plotting close to 1200 pages a year so some comics were gonna get left behind.

He was never a tremendous fan of X-Men, he saw it as another version of Challengers of the Unknown, which he was already doing his own version of in his favorite book F4.

>Why wasn't the X-Men initially popular?
He dont post an image of the original team.

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>>90860611

tfw the King draws as many pages in a year as Quitely draws in a decade

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>>90857914
>Last one.
Like hell

>>90860945
Kek.

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>>90853672
They were missing a strong guy for the longest time. Most teams seem to have the mix of Leader, shooter/energy guy, ninja, strong guy, and back up with "helpful" powers

Original 5 totally lacked muscle and had mostly weak characters. They were almost street level but dealt with some very non street level villains. The whole team seemed to be made up of the stay back and help elsewhere types. There was no good brawler/fighter type among them either. Beast was about as close as they got and his whole thing was to dance around the bad guy. Wolverine, Night Crawler and Colossus added the missing fighting types.

Storm, Colossus, and Nightcrawler added some extra oomph to the team that the original 5 did not have.

Even 80's X-Factor was kind of shit until they upgraded everyone. Beast was given class 60-ish strength, Iceman was made into one of the most powerful mutants alive, and Angel was remade into a metal winged killing machine that flies at mach 1 with healing powers.

>>90853824
Iceman pre mid 80's or so was a LOT weaker than Torch. Torch was actually really powerful but Iceman could ice up and make some ice things but he was terrible against most villains and useless against bricks.

>>90857725
I have actually wondered if the gay Iceman thing was because of that episode.

>>90860945
Now this IvX is 10/10,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks_Animation#Productions

Looks like it really started going to shit in 2011 starting with Puss in Boots.

Before it was mostly good movies with the occasional terrible one, now it is a wall of crap with the rare decent one in there. Looking at their upcoming stuff I don't think it will change either.

The Ramayana one seems like an interesting idea though.

I don't know who the fuck is asking for a Hot Stuff movie, and Trolls 2 only confirms the company is just emulating Illumination with super marketable films.

>>90852666
They were Stan and Jacks left over ideas. They had a string of hits and just threw some shit together knowing it would sell. They didn't give many shits about the book so it remained low tier until people with ideas came around and put some effort into it

>>90853758
>Tony Stark can't take off his shirt

The horror!

Alright /co/ who is your favorite mutant?
He/she doesn't have to be an x-men or related to them but has to be a mutant.
And why is Exodus?

>>90867968
Chamber.

>>90867968
>>90868147
Tantra man.