What went wrong?

>>90833319

kungfu panda

With the possible exception to its very early days, Dreamworks has always been two shitty for every one decent movie.

Shark Tale is 13 years old.

>>90833439

The problem is that their early work is so ridiculously good that it's baffling as to how far they've fallen from a creative standpoint.

When my best friend and I saw the trailer for Boss Baby the very first sentence out of my mouth was "This is the studio that made The Prince of Egypt?"

>>90833319
I say the greedy jews that rather make a quick cash grab than timeless classics n leave a legacy

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>>90833439
I think it actually started with Shark Tale prior to that they had mediocre films like Sinbad and Spirit but Shark Tale was their first real shitty film and since then it's been 50/50

>tfw hoping Captain Underpants is at least decent because muh childhood but with Dreamworks it's a complete crapshoot

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Is there a more comfier film ?

The soundtrack alone is GOD TIER

>>90833829
>Seriously asking that question in a dreamworks thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZk7lhXg7m0

>>90833319
Are you talking about DreamWorks Animation or the live-action studio DreamWorks SKG?

>>90833319
you played with yourself.

>>90833931
They asked for comfy, not EPIC.

>>90847245
It's comfy too.

I'd say everything went to shit when they switched to 3D


>>90833789
If Blue Sky could make a good Peanuts movie then i have hope that DreamWorks can at least make a decent Captain Underpants

>>90833319

How to Train Your Dragon 1 & 2 are Dreamworks magnum opuses and are better than half of Pixar's library of films.

>>90833319
Shrek did too well

>>90847746
>I'd say everything went to shit when they switched to 3D
their first movie was Antz, which was 3D you wise cunt

Believe it or not, DreamWorks animation and DreamWorks are two totally different companies, and have been for 13 years

>>90833829
the best they ever did including the soundtrack

>>90833369
Literally the only good movie the company ever made.

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>>90833319
When they changed to Dreamworks Animation. Everything that followed, was just kid pandering crap.

They didn't go with the Chris Farley Shrek

>>90833319
They were always a mixed bag. But now they've been edged out by Illumination in the "mediocre lowest common denominator schlock" department, and their actual high-quality productions have stopped making money. If the new Shrek isn't a big hit, they're done.

>>90854643
Maybe they can live on in TV.

>>90854152

Shrek 1&2, HTTYD, KFP1&2

everything else varies from meh to shit.

Shrek.

Yes, it was a good film for its time. It was funny because it was taking the piss out of all the goofy-ass film cliches of the nineties. We laughed when it made fun of popular fairy tales because those were the fiction we'd had until that point.

But when Shrek came out, suddenly every studio wanted to have its own. That's why our films now are full of poorly written, weak-ass wisecracks; commentary on things that haven't been cliche or even relevant since the mid-oughts; characters with a single raised eyebrow.

It's if Poochie had been a tremendous smash hit, and everyone wanted a character like him in every film for the rest of eternity.

>>90857763
So what you're saying is we need more sincere work, with more established tropes. But who's going to do the heavy lifting and write something good without resorting to gimmicks?

>>90849426
A permanent switch you monkey

go away now

>>90857927

surely not didney with their formulatic movies,pixar goes into same bag.. uh... is there anyone else?

>>90833369
Fucking what? Kung Fu Panda was actually when they started to get good again.

>>90854643
Nah, Blue Sky is the absolute worse. Illumination isn't that better, though.

Dreamworks at least as some good movies.

So, in terms of animation nowadays (since 2010):

>Disney
>Pixar
>
>
Dreamworks

Now add about a thousand more layers and you find Illumination and Blue Sky.

>>90858709

what about Warner Bros?

>>90858964
>owned by a multimedia conglomerate
>taking any risks

>>90858709
It makes me more mad than it should when every soulless Illumination movie ends up making 8 times it's budget back

>>90858612
You'd think the Disney formula would be easy to parody, but their movies have this weird quality about them. Like, they're all designed the same way, but the things you can parody aren't as easy to notice or bite onto.

>>90858964
Depends on how much you liked the Lego Movie.

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>>90859619
Funny enough the best people to parody the Disney formula is Disney themselves.

>>90859688
Too bad that Giselle couldn't become an official Disney Princess, the mouse didn't want to pay Amy Irving an annual fee to use her face and/or facial facsimile in merchandising

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>>90854152
>not pic related
Ultimate shit taste.

>>90859287
I liked their version of zootopia :^)

Didn't they make The Croods. I liked that.

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>>90833829

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>>90833319
Shrek. I don't even hate the movie, but it's clearly responsible for a big change in the studio and the entire industry.

>Drek and Weeb Panda better than Prince of Egypt, El Dorado, Antz, Sinbad, etc.

Friendly reminder who won the first oscar for animated films.

https://youtu.be/CsDDEY1Rf-Q

>>90862784
I think Shark Tale is where everything changed for them.

I mean, they were still making 2D movies after Shrek. And the first two shrek movies were genuinely good. Really, I'd say Shark Tale was when they settled into their formula of mediocrity.

Were rabbit and Flushed away were good movies, but they really don't count as Dreamworks movies, they're Aardman movies

>What went wrong?

How to Train Your Dragon 1 & 2 and Voltron are pretty great. Everything else they've done recently is terrible. Though I haven't seen Rise of the Guardians.

IT's a shame because Road to El Dorado was fun as hell and Prince of Egypt is one of the greatest western animated films ever made. Wish they could get their shit together.

Anyone here liked The Croods?

>>90862653
there' gotta be a new one for Disney and their formula.

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>>90862653
>And they all make this face:

>>90863091
>I mean, they were still making 2D movies after Shrek.
They still released 2D movies after Shrek. I'm not positive but I'm guessing those movies had already started production before Shrek's unexpected big success, and they hadn't thought them worth throwing out. I don't think they would have made Shark Tale or made it as bad as it is if Shrek didn't exist, so I'd say Shrek was the turning point even if it's not the beginning of their bad films. Also their 2D movies not selling as well as their CG ones played a role in the turnaround.

>>90863091
Then what about Kung Fu Panda and How To Train Your Dragon? Not only where they good movies but had great squeals as well. Was it luck?

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>>90833829
Wait a minute...

It's not DW's fault, AT LEAST they tried to make a big range of movies, I really liked their more adult oriented sci-fi movies Monster vs. Aliens and Megamind, but those movies weren't big successes so they do nothing but kiddy shit now

>>90862784
I loved RotG when I first saw it, and I'm still hoping they'll expand on that universe somehow.

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>>90863768
No, they still have potential for making good movies. They just don't most of the time. They can make money without making good films, so usually they do. I only think Shrek is "what went wrong," or to put it better, when things changed and were never going to go back.

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>>90833319
Quality control fell to shit around 09-ish but who the fuck cares because they are still making money.


Besides they are Illumination-lite now. So expect more movies with Minions based merch campaigns attached to them.

>>90848814
Shrek doing well is okay, but the sequels that ran the whole series into the ground was overkill. Shrek 3 was terrible, but they decided t power though the critical and commercial response and make two more and a spinoff any damn way.

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>>90864545

>they scrapped Croods 2 because it couldnt have merchandise.

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>>90864545
>that pic

Muh childhood.

>>90859619
No one else does the fairy tale thing like Disney, every time someone tries it comes off as just sub-epic at best. Anastasia is a good movie but it always seem to be a bit less than a typical Disney feature.

Each company seems to have their strength, and when they leave that area they do not do as well.

>Disney does the fairy tale, when they try not making fairy tales it is usually not so good or really bad. So they go back to what works and things are great again
>Pixar is best as the whole "deeper look into the hidden world of X" thing by showing the drama and emotion in inanimate objects, superheroes, mice, robots etc. They tried making a Disney princess movie and it sucked
>Dreamworks is best at comedian driven takes at cartoon situations. Let a comedian like Mike Meyers, Ben Afflek, or Will Ferrell mix their brand of comedy with a toon situation like animals look for food in a neighborhood, or a fairy tale setting, or a superhero setting. When they drop this and make things like Home or Turbo it is terrible.

>>90833369
Nice bait

>>90865084
Brave sucked because of talents shuffle.

>>90862784
Shrek mostly inspired other third rate studios into thinking that the fractured fairy tale was all that was needed.

Then we have a few years of crap like Doogle, Hoodwinked, Desperaux, Igor, Happily N'ever After.

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What went wrong ?

>>90863565
I do, saw it a few times in the theatre. The theme used during the breakfast-egg sequence was neat. Sounded like what is played during parades or something.

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>>90833319
we need more memes

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>>90865990

Dreamworks has cancelled almost every project in development that I cared about. There's only a few left and I'm afraid they'll just be garbage now. That's not where they went wrong though.

Where they went wrong is trying to grow the business with sequels instead of going whole hog with the riskier ventures. That and finding a way to neutralize Katzenberg so he wouldn't scare away any potential investors or even possible buyers who would've left the company alone. His micromanaging made any corporate interest in the company a toxic choice. No one wanted anything to do with that.

Lot of talk about Shrek in here. I think people will eventually realize that for better or worse Shrek is the most influential mainstream movie of the 21st century. It reshaped an entire industry overnight. Only in recent years have studios actually gotten the lay of the land and the vestiges of its initial impact can still be felt in animated film. They could even be felt in live-action film. That irreverent "modern" fantasy streak that happened in the 00s didn't come from nowhere. And it definitely wasn't because of Harry Potter.

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>>90833319
pic related is better than any movie pixar or disney has ever made. anyone who doesn't think so is functionally retarded, not even meme'ing.

HTTYD 2 is a fucking masterpiece

Has no one here even seen Megamind? It's incredible.

Their ability to consistently make decent films comes and goes. Disney was amazing in the 90's after being complete shit in the 80's but went right back to sucking again in the 00's. Now they are back on top again in the 2010s.

Pixar is dropping off really fast right now after being on top through the 00s.

Dreamworks was a solid #2 in the 00s but seems to have dropped further below. Now Pixar is the #2 spot and Illumination is making actual watchable films.

>>90866474
Jesus, Pixar and Dreamworks both started producing more shit than gold in 2011.

immediately after the Disney revival.....hmm....

>>90866629
This.

>>90862784

I know Shrek was "it's all voiced by celebrities!", but really, Shark Tale was kind of the start of a continued trend of this.

>>90866629

I was a little surprised to find out that these movies are actually good. They always kind of looked like young adult garbage.

>>90867273
I think Sony was the one who really ran with this concept when they made Surfs Up and Open Season. They tried to rely on star power and mediocre storytelling.

>>90867340
At least Surf's Up had an experimental element that hasn't been seen in mainstream feature animation before or since. There's something to be said for nailing that surfing doc look, tone and feel and making all the performance and camera work look genuinely spur of the moment. Still too bad the story actually is mediocre and forgettable.

>>90867566
it is still a movie that is easily dropped at a first glance. One sees Surfing Penguins and has little trouble putting it right back down and moving on.

>>90867329
I feel ya. Not sure what dreamworks could do to capture the "made for kids but adults will like them too" reputation that pixar has.

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>>90866629
>Vikings
>Scottish

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Pic related and the HTTYD series are the only decent things they've created in ages.

>>90867329
This. I thought the same thing about Kung Fu Panda and How To Train Your Dragon. Their titles just sound really uninspired. Then you watch the film and think "Oh hey, they actually put a lot of thought and effort into these movies".

>>90833504
Early work was critically good but box office bad. How much money did Road to El Dorado make? Spirit? Still haven't quite figured out how to make money yet

>>90866474
When the hell is Pixar going to make another scifi

Wall-E is one of the greatest accomplishments I've ever seen in 3D animation and animation in general. The "apocolypse" wasn't even the most important part of the film like it would have been if anyone else had written it. The character designs translated into the constraints of physical technology was terrific, the cinematography was much better planned and executed than most 3D films today, the tone of the movie was bipolar but extremely effective.

I hope they make another movie about robots after their sequels and Coco. Imagine pixar delving into mecha. Can you even imagine how terrific it would be?

>>90867986
I always thought the Pixar titles were as simple as they could possibly be. Things like Up just do not inspire interest at first.

Are Spirit and Sinbad Good? I remember watching them when I was younger. I've never seen Kungfu Panda.

Can somebody give a tiers based rundown?

>>90868380
Yeah but Pixar had a history of really good previous films. That's why titles like Up and Wall-E don't make people immediately dismiss it.

Dreamworks have a history of kind of average films, so it's no surprise those titles don't inspire confidence in people.

>>90863871
Foodfight wasn't really that bad.
Well, it was bad but there were many reasons why it could be better.

>>90849426
I didn't like Antz though.

>>90833319
Shark Tale
Hated that film as a kid

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>>90866474
>Literally the only good movie Pixar has done since 2010 is Monsters University

>>90867977
It's a remake, doesn't count.

DreamWorks Interactive being sold to EA

RIP The Neverhood

>>90847884
Prince of Egypt is far better, although HTTYD 1 and 2 are good too.

>>90862784
God Tier: Chicken Run, Shrek 2, Wallace & Grommit, Flushed Away, KFP 1 & 2, HTTYD 1 & 2, Megamind, Madagascar 3, Guardians, Peabody & Sherman

Top Tier: Prince of Egypt, Road to El Dorado, Shrek, Spirit, Sinbad, Madagascar, Over The Hedge, The Croods, Home

Mid Tier: Monsters vs Aliens, Madagascar, Shrek 3

Low Tier: Shark Tale, Bee Movie, Madagascar 2, Shrek Forever After

Shit Tier: Antz, Turbo, KFP 3

Haven’t seen Penguins.

>>90863992
Monsters vs Aliens did pretty well kids wise, although I thought it was shit.
Megamind is a the best DreamWorks movie of this decade

>>90865084
Home had that one guy from big bang theory as the alien, still shit though

>>90862784
Wow it's incredible how forgettable most of their stuff is.

>>90873385
Penguins was a cash in, you missed nothing of value

HTTYD1 and 2
KFP 1, 2 and 3
THE Croods
Megamind

Fuck Monsters Vs. Aliens is pretty decent too, and Gonormica was a great protagonist with growth.

They need better quality control, unfortunately they literally run on a milking the cow dry scheme.

>>90863211
Sad thing is wasn't Prince of Egypt a box office disappointment?

Shame if so... when the fuck will western audiences start giving more serious animated films a chance?

>>90873385

KFP 3 is amazing, fuck off.

>>90873385
Id definitely throw SFA and Shark Tale into shit tier in exchange for Turbo and KFP3 being low tier

>>90866629
I unironically think HTTYD demolishes any Pixar or Disney film.

HTTYD2 had problems, but I still loved a lot of what it did. Still pissed it lost the Oscar to Big Hero Shit (though SoTS and Kaguya were fucking masterpieces and should have won)

HTTYD3, if its good, better fucking win the Oscar.

Also John Powell needs an Oscar for the franchise. Fucker was robbed in 2011.

>>90873928
>Sad thing is wasn't Prince of Egypt a box office disappointment?
I think it did pretty average, nothing grand

I guess with all the work put into it, just getting 'average' can be called a disappointment

>>90873928

Middle of the road. It didn't make Disney tier money despite being quality with a lot of work put into it.

It was Road to El Dorado that really disappointed money wise, and the animated features that followed all failed.

>>90873966
It's a personal opinion. All the jokes in the movie were fuckin cringeworthy, the villain was stupid and the whole movie felt flat IMO.

>>90874244
Only good part about the villain was that he was practically using Kratos' blades

>>90873977
Powell is one of the most underappreciated composers working today. And his score for Hancock is probably the best original superhero score of all-time. Heck it's better than most superhero scores, period.

That fucker got me to watch Mars Needs Moms because he churned out a genuinely solid score for it.

>>90874479
Powell's fucking fantastic. His HTTYD and HTTYD2 score rank among the best of the last 10-20 years imho.

I will never, ever forgive the academy for picking Social Network over his work on HTTYD.

Unless they give him an Oscar for HTTYD3....maybe....

>>90862784
In order:

Shit
Pretty good
Pretty dang good
Real good
Fuck you shrek was great
good
good
eh okay
fucking no
people liked this but fucking no
hell yes
fucking no
literally never even heard of this
stop god damn it
FUCKING GOLD. BEST MOVIE IVE EVER WATCHEDbut for real, garbage
eh
NO
never watched it looked so fucking bland
Masterpiece
come the fuck on stop
Didn't hear a peep about this but i really enjoyed it
ugh
ugh- oh. actually that was enjoyable
NO
never saw it
never saw it
never saw it
never saw it
almost lived up to original
no
who the fuck was in charge of character design
STOP IT