Does this show get bad as it goes on? I heard the show is bad

Has reverse Netflix syndrome, back loads all the "good" stuff

>>90824401
>Does this show get bad as it goes on?
The first 2-3 episodes are straight up dogshit. It gets pretty good after that then coasts from then on around the same quality. It's just that unlike the other shows where the back third of the episodes suck, this time they front-loaded the bad episodes.

It's mediocre throughout with occasional dips into dogshit.

>>90824441
Well i don't even think the first few episodes are bad so the rest must be pretty good.

>>90824401
nope just keeps getting better

bad reviews were just because Danny was white it's literally the best netflix show

>>90825090
lol

>>90824441
They are great though.

They set up the tone of the show, explain some aspects of the background, show chemistries different characters share and what is their connection to the Hand.

They are integral part of the story.

>>90825130
Integral and important doesn't mean they're well executed or well acted.

>>90825205
Well, I thought they were both things you mentioned. I sincerely fail to see what you mean.

I'm really enjoying it, it might be my second favorite Netflix series after Daredevil. I guess it's possible the early reviews set expectations low but there's no way in hell the show deserves a 17% on Rotten Tomatoes.

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Why does shit like this count as a review?

DDS1>LC>IF>DDS2>JJ

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>>90825507
>Mightey whitey
>Coleen Wing is actually man figure in this

>>90824441
They aren't exactly dogshit, but they definitely have the meandering pace and circular plot of the back end of DD2, LC and JJ.

I'm on episode 5. HOW THE FUCK DOES A HANDGUN BULLET GO THROUGH WOOD AND A METAL CONTAINER TO HIT A CAR WINDSHIELD!?

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>>90825707
Maybe he focused his chi into the bullet

>>90825753
Smith and Wesson truly developed most effective martial arts style.

I'm on episode 8 and it gets better as it goes along.

Bakuto did nothing wrong.

>tfw Marvel and ABC will always continue making shows that culminate prematurely instead of like Iron Fist
I hope you fucks are proud of yourself.

>>90825853
illegally harvesting organs is pretty fucked up.

I enjoyed the whole twist on the old 'student has to work hard for his scholarship so that he can make something of himself in college' plot line though

>>90825829
>watching episode 8
>Claire says she wants to go with Danny
>"Hand thrives on fear. I have to do this for my friend. For Louisa. For myself."
F-for Matt?

Seriously, everytime Dawson talks how she's seen Hand before I can't scream enough into screen BY THE WAY YOUR FRIEND MIKE FUCKED WITH HAND TOO, HE'S A NINJA WITH MAD SKILLS WHO IS AN ALLY, YOU MIGHT WANNA MENTION THAT TO DANNY

>>90826023
All of these shows have those cockteases. When Luke Cage needed a lawyer towards the end of the season I was so fucking excited for Nelson and Murdock but then Luke was like "LOL NOPE"

>>90826059
Or when they talked about how if Misty runs out of blood she loses her arm, and then fucking nothing happened to that.

>>90826059
To be honest, tho, Nelson and Murdock are no more after season 2 which always translates to as OPEN sign for demons, look at Brubaker's run

In Jessica Jones it was cool how Luke was a supporting character in her show.

And I will be seriously pissed if Charlie Cox won't at least guest-star in Punisher's show. But sure, they'll have Karen in every goddamn episode.

>>90826023
they treat the references like all the shows are made by different companies and they'd be sued for directly mentioning a character and it's infuriating.

>>90826144
Hopefully we'll have an episode of The Punisher where Luke helps Frank go undercover as a black man.

>>90825090
>bad reviews were just because Danny was white it's literally the best netflix show
How about he's an angry little shit who doesn't think anything through
>Runs away from Mental Hospital instead of just waiting to show the doctor he is the iron fist
>Oh great, now I don't have any medical records and I can't prove I'm Danny, but I'm sure that won't be a problem because the show will conveniently place some dumb object in my life the next episode
Yeah, this show is """"""""""""""""great""""""""""""""""

It probably wasn't the fact that he was a FUCKING WHITE MALE but that he was a complete stranger who was let into someone's home out of purely good will and continually went against the few stipulations the home owner set
>You need my protection, some guy hit you once
>No, I really don't, please leave
>HAHA Not until I beat you up

>Okay you can stay, just don't mess with my classes
>HAHA No

>>90825937
the twist on providing uplift to the marginalized and oppressed in general was pretty great, especially as a counterpoint to Madame Gao

>>90826203
>you've got more hits on youtube than the big green guy!
Just say Hulk, for fucks sake.

fuck, that old footage of the Iron Fist in episode 10 is making my dick diamonds

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>>90826210
Ain't his first rodeo.

>>90826292
we need a WWII Cap/Iron Fist miniseries

>>90824401
I liked it.
It's a decidedly slow burn, but with little long-term sinister implications.
Our hero isn't perfect, he's a broken kid, who grew up without ever being treated for his trauma - this makes him a bit bonkers.

I must say, the actor playing Ward is doing a smashing job, his breakdown is played absolutely perfect.

>>90824401
It has much more cohesive storytelling than Luke Cage or Jessica Jones, even if it stretches out the pacing a bit like they do. JJ and LC could have an entire third of their "plot" cut out for being superfluous dogshit thrown in just to add more "content".

>>90826217
>this show has the same type of flaws that the other shows have, but I'll act like that's a new thing

>>90826334
>tfw Ward had the best character arc on the show
I hope he stays a good guy

>>90826382
IT'S A NEW THING BECAUSE HE IS WHITE THAT KNOWS KUNG FU WHICH MEANS HE SHOULD BE ASIAN!

>>90826203
Wat?

They sometimes collaborate with other companies on something specific, but Luke Cage for example was strictly Marvel and ABC productions.

Fucking, Daredevil had Dogs of Hell straight out of Agents of Shield.

>>90826405
>>90826382
The show has flaws, but unlike every other show, there's nothing good about it to balance it out
You're not even arguing against the flaws, we agree it has flaws, so why are you pretending that I have some other problem even though everyone agrees that it has flaws

Stop projecting

>>90826401
Yeps, I hope we see him in the future.
Was bit disappointed with Davos in the last ep.
And with Joy too - I can't buy a fall from grace there.

>>90826334
I think he's great when he shows off drug addiction or when he's doing dramatic scenes like every dialogue with dad. His over the top acting is the right kind for me.

He doesn't sound like a good businessman to me though, because in every scene he sounds like fucking 50 years old alcoholic. Yes, he in fact an alcoholic, but it makes it hard to believe that people around him don't see that as well.

>>90826401
he isn't a good guy, he's every bit as bad as his father and always has been. He only aligned with danny to further his personal objectives, just like his father

not that I'm going to know what happens because theres not a fucking chance I would watch a season 2 of this garbage

the only reason I would come back to these netflix shows are for punisher and king pin, there are absolutely zero good characters outside of those two in the entire showverse

>>90826461
I think slow pace problem immediately fades away with 4th episode with good fights, good choreography and overall solid writing and casting.

>>90826334
>Ward
Best performance, hands down.

>>90826538
Zombie Harold though

>>90826483
Davos has the seeds of good bad guy in there but he needed a little something extra to really make it believable. Like I can buy that he was bitter about not being an ironfist and the fact that Danny just fucking ran off right away but it needed to be explored more. They should have left the actual side turning for season 2

Joy turning was retarded though
>>90826503
Nah Ward was a bro at the end. He didn't have to offer Danny a place at the company, give a fuck about his sister or do that thing with the pictures at the end where he honored Danny but he did anyways.

Not saying he's a flawless good guy but hes no where near as much of a bad guy as I thought he was going to be

>>90826461
>there's nothing good about it to balance it out
Please run through the other Netflix shows and what redeemed their flaws.

anyone else wanna fuck whoever plays madame gao?

>>90826563
THAT was a fun bit.

>>90826668
you do you bro

>Spends three episodes convincing everyone he's Danny Rand even though we, the audience, know he is
>Everyone conveniently forgets everything that happens in the movies for the sake of the plot
This show is so frustrating

>>90826586
>his sister
>hmm isn't she supposed to be in her mid 20s, why would they cast a 40 year old woman??
>look it up
>oh god she was only 29 in real life during the filming

fucking white women, bro

OH SHI- IT'S DAVOS

>Danny goes to K'un-Lun at the end

when the fuck does Defenders take place then?

>>90827026
whoops nvm

>>90826897
and he's paki instead of ching chong

fucking dropped

>let's kill as many as we can on our way out
>they don't kill anyone

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>GUYS DONT WORRY WE GOT SHANG CHI HES ASIAN

>not even in the show

lololol

On episode 6 with the trials and the choreography/fights looks so fucking slow. It really makes it looks so corny.

>>90826787
Yeah there were a few times where I thought she looked like she was in her 40s or something

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>Joy fine with killing Danny at the end

what

>>90825090
this, better than Luke Cage, the previews best Netflix show.

The family drama is way more effective

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>>90824401
Iron Fist was dogshit since the start. Haven't seen acting this bad since I watched The Room, even fucking Power Rangers/video game trailers have better acting.

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>>90827219
>entire reason she questions her dad at the end is because he fucked over Danny
>she herself rejects her dad because hes a creepy asshole that was stalking her and setting up her friends
>Waid is there telling here what a piece of shit he is and how he has been one for longer then Danny was around
>she still blames Danny for everything falling apart at the end
It was dumb

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JOY
A
BEST

>>90827433
brofist, i'm into grannies too

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Was Spoony Danny's dad?

>>90827278
Well everything was going great up until he showed up.

Personally I hated how they treated the Iron Fist powers as a deus ex. He is supposed to be able to fight with it constantly, heal super fast by meditating with it, and do lots of other cool stuff... and that is all BEFORE he gets the tome of the Iron Fist with all the secret techniques.

>>90827469
Ah fuck I thought he looked familiar and I couldn't place it
>>90827474
Yeah but the fact that she was cool with killing him at the end was such a leap that it didn't feel realistic.

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How is the TV show cultural appropriation?

I'm asking here because I'm sick of 70 IQ Neo-Nazi retards from /pol/ answering me constantly with their meme replies about Jew agendas.

Figure they don't come here since they hate this place.

Best parts are when Colleen and Claire give Danny shit for being a dumbass.

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>>90824401
Just finished episode 6 and it left a bad taste in mouth that I don't want to watch anymore of it really. All he does in win chun and taichi bullshit then the hand went full dishonor like what the fuck,

>>90827533
because martial arts are an Asian thing and Danny isn't

>>90827533
>/pol/
>hating /co/

lol stop concern-trolling

>>90827580

I assume this is sarcasm, because martial arts has been dated all over the world back thousands of years. Greece, France, Africa etc.

>>90827605

I'm not up to date with all the latest buzzwords, no idea what that means

>>90827645
I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just giving you the answer I think people who believe Iron Fist is cultural appropriation would give.

>>90827645
haha good one

>>90827580
little do the sjw know, zen buddhism and eastern martial arts were created by indians, not the chinese. So a white person is ethnically closer to a real martial artist than a chinese man is

>>90827671

Gotcha. I hope the reason isn't that shallow.

>>90827694
buddhism has it's origins in india, but it's a completely different religion in terms of practice and form
I don't really know where you're pulling the eastern martial arts thing from though

>>90827580
It's funny how SJWs are more racist than the people they hate
What next, only black people can do rap and steal?

>>90827797
There was a notable case of a black woman attacking a white kid for having dreadlocks so yeah, pretty much.

>>90827781
Stormfront

>>90827797
>>90827823
Stormfront

>>90827533
Basically it's the idea of a white person going to a foreign land, and getting better than the foreigners at their own thing.

I really wish that they explained his powers, they never show or tell how he got his powers, just he goes into a cave, we aren't even told what's even in the cave other than a "dragon" I hope they something, even if it was some ancient Kree shit I wouldn't care also I don't like how the family keeps flip flopping on their allegence towards Danny joy is the worst at this

>>90827825
>>90827852
retard

>>90827533
Its not. The SJWs, being the racists they are, saw a guy doing martial arts and immediately thought he was supposed to be asian

>>90827929
>>90827899
>>90827868
Stormfront

>>90827868
That's never been the case with Danny though. He's not the most learned or the most naturally talented fighter, he's just the most driven.

>>90827953
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>>90827278
>Waid is there
>Waid

>>90824401
I'm near the end now. I actually quite liked the show early on, but as it goes on I find myself asking more and more;

>what does the protagnoist actually want
>why are these more interesting side characters helping him
>which villain is least interesting
>this guarding kun lun business sure sounds important
>why couldn't this just be the Colleen Wing show

>>90827968
reddit

>>90827953
>>90827852
>>90827825
What the fuck is stormfront you autist

>>90825584
They had a whole bit were he literally told her her martial arts was shit and her dojo students were shoddy.

Also I find funny the moment he touched her Katana she went full GLORIOUS NIPPON and basically had a Kendorgasm.

>>90827986
Something aweful

isn't K'un Lun vulnerable to attack if Danny is busy fucking around in NY this whole time?

>>90827993
a white supremacist website. He's calling them neo-Nazis.

>>90828009
Ebaumsworld

>>90827993

noobfag

>Luke Cage's shirt fit's scrawny-ass white boi perfectly

nah senpai nah

>>90828034
>isn't K'un Lun vulnerable to attack if Danny is busy fucking around in NY this whole time?

Yes.

Danny Rand confirmed worst Iron Fist.

>>90828034
>isn't K'un Lun vulnerable to attack if Danny is busy fucking around in NY this whole time?

Yes, that's presumably why they were attacked while he was away, probably by Gao

>>90827868
you mean harry potter?

>>90828034
So.. not conforming to race stereotypes and not race bending a character to fit those stereotypes is Nazism?

>every outworlder he meets keeps asking if Davos has the Iron Fist too
poor dude

>>90828127
Probably why he wants to kill danny

>>90827981
Danny came back to New York to reconnect with his home. He couldn't because you can enter or exit K'un-Lun once 15 years. In K'un-Lun he became a student of Lei Kung the Thunderer and defeated Shou Lao the Undying and gained the power of Iron Fist, sworn enemy of the Hand (in MCU). Danny saw Hand being in New Yorker as destiny, but it turned out Hand had its grasp on Rand family for far longer than it seems. It's pretty easy to follow, retard.

At first Danny had hard time to connect with Colleen because he was what it was, a stranger to her, but they just connected, it's a very simple romance. Rosario Dawson is obligatory and self-explanatory if you watched DD and Luke Cage, she's been fucking with Hand since S2 of DD in which Hand killed her friend and finally decided to take up martial arts.

All villains seem pretty cool to me.

Guarding K'un-Lun business is important, because Danny took up the position of Iron Fist and he neglects his duty.

Because Danny is awesome.

>>90828002
She literally called her one of the strongest martial artists he's ever known and he comes from Heaven of martial arts.

>>90828100
Probably it's more the part about willfully misinterpreting east Asian and south Asian history to conform to your ethics of racial representation.

where was stick during all of this?

>>90828040
Gaia online

>>90827533
>Japanese, Korean, and Chinese people all know each other and their cultures are functionally interchangeable

That's probably the one real thing that I've seen so far, besides just being kinda dull, and Finn doing a shit job of selling the 'srs asian mystic fighter' business.

>>90828224
raising and/or fucking another random orphan I guess

>>90824401
Marvel had never produced a bad product. SJWs are slandering them to try to exterminate white males. Do your part and rate IF five stars.

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Does anyone have Ward chart?

We should add Businessman Ward to it.

>>90828397
>Businessman Ward
More like Fuck-Up Ward.

To anyone who has seen the whole thing what should I watch and what should I skip?

>>90828435
That'd be Ward Prime.

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>>90828397

I don't got the original one but I got this

I was thinking "Junkie Ward" or "Netflix Ward"

>Stick and Daredevil not being aware of all of The Hand's dealings and fighting alongside Danny

c'mon son

>>90825507
>Daredevil
Pretty sure that's no less of a "cultural appropriation" than Iron Fist

>>90825753
Fuck if they ever do an iron Fist Season 2 they better get a new showrunner and writers who want to do an adaptation of IIF and some good budget.

>>90828217
You're telling me the story of an order of warrior monks that live in a magic disappearing city is misrepresenting asian culture?
So I guess Captain America is offensive too then for misrepresenting America's part in WWII?
Thor is definitely racist because they misrepresent Viking history
Oh and DareDevil really needs to go because it misrepresents new York city

>>90828482
>Not BroWard.
Come on now.

>>90828482
Corporate Ward

>>90828525

Like "Bro" in a derogatory context?

>>90828034
>isn't K'un Lun vulnerable to attack if Danny is busy fucking around in NY this whole time?
Yes
If you didn't notice from the whole company subplot Danny is good at getting the things he wants but really really shit about actually taking responsibility for those things

>>90828092
Bitch what? You wanna elaborate?

>>90828487
Fucking, Rosario Dawson doesn't tell shit to Danny about her hornhearded ex-bf.

Also, I like to imagine that Iron Fist happens at the same time as Matt and Stick are dealing with the Hand in Hell's Kitchen. Meaning, let's say when Elektra was poisoned in DD, in Iron Fist Danny already went to China.

>>90828535
I like this one best.

>>90828550
No, as in "brother". That's kinda his thing, his main motivation was that he was trying to be a good brother first and foremost.

>>90828523
>Thor is definitely racist because they misrepresent Viking history
>history

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>>90828435
nah

more like /pol/ Ward

>>90828623
Oh, sure, ignore me pointing out how you literally lack comprehension to watch a TV show with simple plot, but add literally nothing to your non-arguments.

Claire is just the fucking worst.

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>[spoilers]this WWII footage[/spoiler]

>>90828451
What? Watch the whole thing

>>90828598
Wishful thinking but Claire already mentions her friend/co-worker being killed by the Hand to Danny.

>>90828703
if only the entire fucking show was like that

>>90828585
He moves from England to Scotland.

>>90828727
Ah, I am a dumb-dumb, it's hard to be cohesive while I am finishing up Iron Fist.

>>90828731
>WWII footage is good
>rest of the show is good
It's exactly like that.

What's up with Claire's fist claw weapons? Are we going to see her become White Tiger?

>>90828800
white tiger was already mentioned in jj

Somebody is gonna use these claws to cut off her eye so she can become Claire Fury

>>90828782
The WWII footage had a good Iron Fist. The rest of the show didn't.

>>90828722
Does it have dumb ass filler episode that add nothing to the plot like Jessica Jones did, because fuuuck I hated that.

>>90824401
Just finished the show. It was meh, script was boring and drawn out needlessly, the characters were pretty interesting in several cases, but the pacing ruins it because half the time you want to see more about someone and the other half of the time you just want them to shut up and fight.

It was like the second Matrix movie. Or the second half of Luke Cage, after Cottonmouth gets resolved.

And the character growth was horrible, Danny keeps hashing over the same things and just circles the drain. I really honestly wanted him to go back to Kunlun for a bit just so he could get his head back on straight.

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>>90828800
>What's up with Claire taking up first weapons she saw in a fight against people with weapons
>Is she going to become a character who is unrelated to Claire Temple in the comics and to the weapons she took on a whim in the show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE_iCgBUacQ&ab_channel=Ch33zyQube

The show sucks ass.
The lead sucks ass.
The fights suck ass.
The plot sucks ass.
Dat ass is good ass.

>>90826338
Daredevil suffered from the same thing. In fact DD S2's entire second half felt way too long.

>>90828918
>taking up first weapons she saw
>weapons she took on a whim

She said they were hers

>>90828667
>"reconnecting"
>taking over a company, fucking shit up left and right, blundering head-on into a ninja war
>when he really should just be doing his fucking job

It's really hard to care about what the character is doing after ~10 episodes of this shit. Especially when at the same time, the more interesting, better acted character who actually holds her own in action scenes is stuck in the sidelines.

There's plenty of decent stuff in the show, but almost all the worst stuff is in the main character, which is a massive flaw.

Why is there more hip hop in iron fist than Luke cage?

>>90828735
Everyone in Hogwarts moved to Scotland.

>>90828994

because of Wu-Tang

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> If you kill him, you're no better than him
>mfw

I'm so sick of this stupid cliche. Danny is the Iron Fist (as he keeps reminding us) and he is meant to be a weapon. He is literally the worst Iron Fist ever and is not willing to do what is necessary to keep evil down. It's not the same as Daredevil since Kingpin has a huge ego and getting arrested seriously pisses him off. The Hand is bigger than Kingpin can ever hope to be and getting arrested doesn't mean shit to them. The Hand deserves to die for what they've done and Danny is a complete puss.

>>90826503
>>90826586
I just realized that Ward is Cottonmouth, but with a Good End...

Actually Ward is the third or fourth person this series has introduced us to that is a huge dick but only because his family forced him to be that way. I feel like one of the writers might have some parental issues they are working through in this series.

>>90829005
Makes ya think.

Is it just me or does Danny just seem so white? Like he spent most of his life in a ancient mystic monastery and is the ultimate living weapon, but he feels so slow and bad at kung fu vs other people while also being so middle class white guy.

>>90829005
Not if they were already in Scotland.

>>90829033
Not to mention Matt has the whole Catholic guilt thing so him not wanting to kill has some heavy spiritual meaning for him.

>>90829056

Finn Jones is a bad actor

>Davos: He was the first outsider chosen.

I was going to point out Orson but then again Orson was technically born in K'un Lun wasn't he?

>>90828891
>I really honestly wanted him to go back to Kunlun for a bit just so he could get his head back on straight.

I wanted him to go back to Kun Lun just because it seemed way more important than any of Danny's personal problems.

>>90828858
Not really.

>>90828703
Wait, I fell asleep watching one of the eps. (Still watching, on ep. 9 right now). What episode is the WW2 footage in?

>>90828735
>>90829005
But England and Scotland are part of the same country?

>>90829105
Considering Danny they weren't wrong to not choose outsiders.

>>90829116
>What episode is the WW2 footage in?

10 or 11

>>90829130
Or are they?

>>90829072
True, but the magic and the school doesn't belong to Scotland and isn't inherently Scottish.
Gryffindor himself was from England.
Harry didn't just arrive and dominate everything like people say about Iron Fist or Doctor Strange anyways. He wasn't particularly "better" than everyone else.

>>90829144
Yeah, it's called the UK. Happened a while back.

>>90829130
Eh, ask again after another referendum.

>>90829116
10

I need a webm of that, stat

>>90829143
Thanks anon! Glad I didn't miss it

>>90829134
>"Guys, guys, let's just take a chance on this rich kid. He's very driven! He can be the Iron Fist! The first outsider Iron Fist!"
>Danny fucking runs away the first chance he gets

>>90827896
The surface facts are very simple. Dragon reincarnates every X amount of years. Dragon is a passage/source of huge amounts of Chi. A warrior can kill the dragon by fighting it long enough that it begins to slow down enough that the warrior can block the dragon's chest with his body. Doing this blocks the flow of universal Chi to the dragon's heart and kills its physical body. Doing so marks the warrior on the chest with a brand and attunes them to the dragon's Chi which is an ocean compared to a tiny human's normal Chi.

The dragon then bursts into flame, leaving behind only its scales, and the flames transform into an egg that will hatch once the Iron Fist dies or the dragon knows it is time to choose a new Iron Fist. The scales from the dragon are collected and turned into pages of a huge book that has all the knowledge and history of past Iron Fists written down upon them.

There is some deeper lore that would be huge spoilers, but who knows if the show will go in that direction...

>>90829209
So much for being wise elders

>>90829084
Yeah but couldn't the chereographers have gotten to work with him to make him look faster? Like every fight they actually make it a struggle with him, which feels weird given he's the fucking Iron Fist. That's the one that that should be One Punch tier for him

>>90829074
I mean Matt already feels enormous guilt for fucking people up. Danny is just a coward. He was given purpose by K'un-Lun and he repays them by going directly against it. He thinks they might be wrong even though they are literally divine beings that have been fighting the Hand for centuries. The only thing they did wrong was not telling him what the Hand's ultimate goal is.

>>90829225
We get it, you've actually read Iron Fist, it doesn't make the show any better.

>>90828974
A company he's a rightful heir to, you mean?

>>90829209
Like they can't even indoctrinate this kid properly? He's traumatized from the plane crash, should be easy as fuck to make him hate the Hand enough to kill.

I like the show but Danny is the worst hero ever

>>90829304
Companies don't work like that really. Companies aren't usually kingdoms with kings. The president is usually replaced with the next most experienced person. The son isn't rightful owner just cause his dad was.

I'm on episode four right now. Do the fights ever stop being a mess of camera angles constantly switching around and obvious stunt doubles?

>>90829343
Nope

>>90829343
no, not really. some are better than others but all of the fights would be better if they were sped up 25%. fuck, daredevil is a better martial artist than the god damn iron fist.

>>90827993
/pol/'s stepdad.

>>90829343
There are a couple of good cage fights with Colleen.

>>90829110
That is another thing that annoyed me. His lack of direction. He seemed like he wanted Rand for some huge reason, but then he didn't do anything with it. They used a billion dollar company just to have a few seconds of characterization so Rand could tell the big money guys to sell the medicine at price.

I mean the series was just so conflicted, and it made no sense that Gao was working with the Hand, she is Chinese and was working AGAINST the Hand in DD.

The Netflix series are breaking their own lore worst than Bendis after seeing his wife's daughter want to be a black Spiderman.

>>90829281
You are right, the little amounts of lore they dropped were pathetic, and I hated that they turned Kunlun into a monastery instead of one of the seven CELESTIAL FUCKING CITIES IN THE CELESTIAL HIERARCHY.

>>90825507
From the fucking Guardian, no less.

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>>90829415
>worse than Bendis after seeing his wife's daughter want to be a black Spiderman

>>90824401
no it's just today no one is allowed to have an opinion different from anyone else, even though everyone has different tastes. and anything that isn't amazing is horrible and average means bad

>>90829468
Actually he does say it's one of the seven cities of heaven at one point. Can't remember which episode unfortunately.

It's not dogshit but it's not great either. The acting is pretty meh with the exception of colleen, the fight scenes are poorly choreographed, the whole thing is shot poorly. The story itself is fine. Not good, but passable. The whole thing reads like an 80s action movie.

I feel like most of the bad is on the showrunner's shoulders.

This show would have been fantastic if it were maybe set in the 80s or something. White dude goes to asia, learns kung fu and fights evil corporate yuppies? Id watch it in a heartbeat.

>>90825507
same way bloggers whining on their blog count as journalists and new stories

>>90829415
I think she is part of faction of the Hand so it kind of makes sense when she destroys or doesn't like other factions

>>90825707
stuff going 800 miles an hour doesn't stop easy and cargo containers aren't much stronger than an aluminum can

Can we talk about how the Meachum family is a bunch of snakes?

Ward spends over half the season being an absolute backstabber and his motives are all over the damn place. Joy is mostly innocent but even after she found out Danny was the actual Danny she still pulled that "we don't want you here" shit. She feels guilty for getting one over on the people that Rand causes harm to but willingly does nothing about it. Harold is the king cunt of them all. His motives also skip all over the place and that shit he pulls in the last two episodes puts the shit cherry on the shit sundae. Why the fuck are they all so inconsistent?

Is it bad writing?

I'm almost at the end of the last episode now, and I'm still waiting for Danny to suddenly go "oh shit Kun Lun" and run off.

>>90826292
Half way through episode 10 and I'm enjoying the twist with Colleen. I will say I haven't been bored watching the series so that's a big positive in my book

>>90829524
>>90829468
He mentions that K'un L'un is in another dimension in the episode where he's in the mental hospital.

>>90829527
This. Although I feel like the choreography is fine, but the way its edit is bad.

Kyle couldn't just have eaten the fucking ice cream? Him and his fucking vanilla.

>>90829527
I wish this show was MADE in the 80s, when Hollywood was filled with martially inclined actors and directors.

>>90829601
Joy flipflops all over the god damn place

>>90825507
>Fucking TVTropes being used as ammunition fire in Iron Fist debates, now branded onto Danny.


FFS, WILL THIS END?

>>90829627
Even so, he shouldn't have complained about a lack of vanilla. I can understand asking if a certain kind was there, but when he found out was all like oh I don't like any others. Rude.

>>90829527
The guy playing Danny is pretty bad as well. I haven't once found him believable as a kung fu master, or even as likeable enough for all these people to be helping him.

Danny gets more triggered about his parents than Batman

That ending is some bullshit.

What do you think is the psychological problem that Danny has?

It seems to me like PTSD or something like it.

Come the fuck on, he doesn't even punch Gao a little?

Is the Netflix Iron Fist series just live-action anime?

>>90829776
I think it's a bad case of hack writing sydrome.

>>90826334
Ward=Best Boy.

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>>90825507
Is that The fucking Guardian?

>>90825507
Daredevil is white. Does he get a pass just because he's blind? Sounds more like they want tokenism. Luke Cage and all the forced black power shit wasn't enough for them? Jessica Jones and all the strong independent woman shit wasn't enough for them?

Fuck, and I even enjoyed Luke Cage. A character's skin color doesn't mean shit. Fucking racists.

>>90829759
It really was, all they needed to put it in to make it worse was "To be continued..."

>>90829790
I wish. Anime at least has good fight scenes.

>>90829790
That would've been way better desu.

>>90829800
>Danny's parents die in a plane crush in the front of him
>He fucking saw his mom fly through the roof of a plane
>"Psychological trauma of parents dying in front of you is just a hack writing."
(you)

>>90829800
Yes but besides that. he has those flashes to his past that make him all nervous and seems like he is a kid when that happens.

>>90829807
What 'black power' shit?

i'm surprised that Ward actually bounced back and became a normal person again. i had written him off as dead in a couple episodes when he started going loony over his pills.

>we need to call the police

I'm sick of this stupid ass cliche as well. Claire has seen the corruption of the police force first hand. She hangs out with vigilantes. Why the fuck does she think the police will do ANYTHING?

>>90829680
>I haven't once found him believable as a kung fu master

He's just so slow, should have bullshitted a reason up to have him wear a mask so they could swap someone competent in.

>>90829887
>there's a new superhero on the street and he a black one

Watch it.

>>90829840
>I am the Iron Fist! I've spent my entire life learning to control my emotions under the expert tutelage of divine warrior-monks!
>Now please excuse me while I break down and cry like a baby every time something hints at not going my way

Does he get a costume at the ending? Even a little costume cameo?

>>90829809
What pissed me off is that he was surprised. What the fuck did he think was going to happen? First he won't shut up about how he's the protector of Kun Lun, then Gao taunts him about how he ain't doing it, then his buddy shows up to remind him, hey dude, you gotta protect Kun Lun and they fucking fight about it, then finally he's like "hey, I guess I could go back to Kun Lun, oh shit its gone".

Like seriously wtf.

>>90827474
In earlier stories, he couldn't use it all the time, as it would exhaust him. Over years he got the "power creep".

how did this idiot manchild defend a dragon and become iron fist

>>90829939
No.

There's about ten seconds of a previous Iron Fist in costume, in monochrome found-footage.

>>90829914
>bullshitted a reason up to have him wear a mask
"He's the Iron Fist. That's what they wear" should have been enough.

>>90829840
>clutching his head, glowing and getting flashbacks at plot-convenient moments
>"psychological trauma"
>not hack writing

>>90829939
Nope______________.

>>90829964
defeat*

>>90829983
>>90829994
Thanks, I wont be watching then. I have no use for shows that are ashamed of the comics.

>>90829964
white male privilege

>>90829914
>>90829986
I don't even know if people really need any justification anymore. I can't imagine people would go crazy because a superhero wears a mask.

>>90830021
>ashamed

Oh, the costume's not even the worst of it.
The first explanation of his backstory we get is while he's drugged out of his balls in a mental hospital.

>>90824401
The opposite.

>>90830065
Disgusting

If you're gonna tell me that Danny was always this much of a little bitch I'm not buying it

what episode do we see the dragon?

>>90829914
Fucking hell, not only he had a stunt double, Finn Jones is not responsible for choreography, they have guys who worked on this shit.

>>90829924
>Fight against drunken master didn't go his way
>Beat him to a bloody pulp like Daredevil
Ok.

>>90830145
never______

>>90828228
Etsy.
Wardbestboy

>>90830145
You don't. The last episode shows you the eyes and nothing else

>>90830165
Go work on your fighting, Finn.

>>90830285
Go work on your shitposting.

Although, you are getting those sweet (you)s.

will Luke and Danny meet shopping for hoodies?

1. Daredevil S1
2. Luke Cage (first half)
3. Daredevil S2
4. Iron Fist
5. Luke Cage (after Cottonmouth)
...
...
...
9001. Jessica Jones

>>90830168
>>90830187
wow, it was so lame that I completely missed it.
why didn't they show him in the first couple episodes, and actually show him on screen. the thing most normies wanted to see out of IF is Danny killing a dragon.

>>90830362
1. Daredevil S1
2. Iron Fist
3. Daredevil S2
4. Jessica Jones
5. Luke Cage

Shut the fuck up Claire.

God I'm fucking tired of her. She's so stupid. She thinks she has the right to criticize the vigilantes for solving their problems with violence even though she would have been killed several times over had they not done so. Not only that, but she does the same shit. She fights alongside them. Marvel needs to kill her stupid ass off.

>>90830368
Netflix shows don't have Agents of Shield tier budget.

>>90829914
They could really have made the costume worked. They should have used something along the lines of The Immortal Iron Fist series.

If Bruce Lee made a bright yellow jumpsuit work and made it badass I can't see why Iron Fist didn't have a costume.

>>90830362
>(first half)
Don't cop out with this. Either rank the show as a whole, or don't even bother.

>>90830362
I can agree with this.

>>90830362
>>90830422
1. Garbage in the hot sun
2. Forensic decomposition garden
-=Power Gap=-
3. Marvel Netflixverse

>>90830362
I feel like the only person who likes DD S2 slightly more.

>>90830460
>Agents of Shield tier budget.
You mean the budget that could only afford Ghost Rider for less than half a season?

>>90830494
Somehow I doubt you'd prefer watching garbage for 13 hours instead of Daredevil.

>>90830368
The CGI is so bad in this show that the producers actually noticed. They didn't want to embarrass themselves further with a CG dragon. Most normies don't even know Iron Fist, much less his origin, so I guess it doesn't matter.

>>90829603
that's basically how it ends

>>90830460
i think they could have stretched their $100 CGI budget a little bit for this show

>>90830514
These Netflix shows wouldn't even cover a single transformation.

>>90830362
I don't get the hate towards Jessica Jones. The show dragged in part but it was well made and David Tennant was incredibly as the Purple Man. Krysten Ritter did a good job, if anything she plays her character better than Finn Jones plays Danny Rand.

>>90830362
Actual not retarded list. All shows are ranked as a full collective and not broken up.
Daredevil
Luke Cage
Jessica Jones
Iron Fist

If you have to remove the bad part of a series and break it into the good and bad sections you're ability to judge and compare is shit.

>>90830368
budget most likely.
they got $200m for all five series, not including DDs2, and new york is notoriously expensive to film in.

>>90830566
This is true. They couldn't even afford to show Jessica Jones flying. They had to resort to her jumping off screen.

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>>90830573
>Ritter > Jones
I would fuck Finn over Ritter. No homo.

>>90830579
If you have to lump an entire series together instead of analysing each part to recognize quality or lack thereof, you are retarded and should never review anything.

Everyone disregard this post.

>>90830539
They needed a big budget for CGI in this show They should have a couple of episodes to get it.

>>90830635
I thought his post was meant to be take with presumption that all shows are actually good.

Even then it's a shit ranking

>>90830573
JJ is mostly just a bland character with no interesting qualities about her. She's strong and can jump really high. Otherwise, she's trailer trash and takes whatever black dick gets thrown her way.

Purple Man is hardly even a JJ villain. He's way better suited to fight Daredevil.

>>90830635
Nah, you're way is just a flawed method of finding excuses to call shit good and self confirm any bias.

>>90830743
Hey you placed JJ above Iron Fist. Don't talk to me about shit taste.

>>90830635
A season is meant to be viewed and critiqued as a whole. Netflix releases seasons in one bunch so it can be viewed as a complete unit. Anyone who rates a season by half is a literal retard.

Didn't the Hand buy the hospital Claire used to work at?

Did they take that guy to the same hospital?

>>90830790
Not recognizing individual quality of episodes is retarded and ignorant. Rating the season as a whole is lazy reviewing and enables morons to not even watch it all.

>>90829804
I know, right. Disappointing.

>LOL IT WONT BE A DRAGON MARVEL IS ASHAMED
>its an actual dragon

>WTF WHY DIDNT WE SEE THE DRAGON!!!!

cant make this up folks

>>90830844
>this show is good if you don't count the bad episodes
No. A show is the collection of all its episodes. Ignoring bad episodes means you haven't reviewed the show and are just a faggot trying to justify your opinion after the fact.

>>90829804
>>90830859
What else would you expect?
The guardian is the leftist version of the Daily Male. I don't think they go a day without publishing a blatantly anti-white or anti-male article.

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>>90829807
No, Daredevil gets a pass because he's not culturally appropriatin...
>he's a ninja
>They hired a French woman to play Greek
Srsly.

>>90830930
I'm not saying a show is good if you cut out the bad episodes you dense retard. I'm saying you're a lazy reviewer for lumping it all together and saying it's all bad/good without recognizing any outliers.

>>90830573
Jessica Jones is not likable as a character. A broken woman who treats her friends like shit is not engaging. Kilgrave works in concept, but the series dropped the ball by revealing his past and "real name", and reducing his threat in the process. Not only do they never use the name "Purple Man" but they also turn "Kilgrave" into a mockery.

Jessica's immunity to Kilgrave is never explained. Nor is there any attempt to allude to an explanation. That right there breaks the plot completely. What are we supposed to take away from this narrative? That you can succeed in overcoming your tormentors if you feel bad enough?

Just awful.

>>90830985
>they won't call Kilgrave the purple man
>but they will only call Hulk the big green guy
I don't get it

>>90830314
Nigga if you think having stunt doubles and a choreographer completely washes away any responsibility from the actor, director and editor for the quality of fight scenes, you're the one shitposting.

>>90830065
He talked about the dragon, and K'un-Lun being in another dimension. It was there, they just didn't have the budget.

>>90831026
>****Spoilers****

Do you not know how to use a spoiler tag? Delete your stupid fucking post.

>>90831029
All right, diss RZA, people who worked on Daredevil's stunts and people who worked on Game of Thrones.

Fight sequences is the last thing Iron Fist has problems with.

>>90830978
These "outliers" are simply constituents of the overall narative of the season. They don't save a show from mediocrity no matter how good they are. If the rest of the show is bland, then the show is just plain bland.

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>>90831099
>Fight sequences is the last thing Iron Fist has problems with.

>>90830985
Is implied that she built an immunity over time.

Jessica being unlikeable does not make her a bad character and also they explain why she is the way she is because of her past experiences.

>>90830978
>I'm not saying a show is good if you cut out the bad episodes
You are literally doing that. You literally are cutting out half a season and then proclaiming it is better than other shows while tossing the other part aside. Sorry you can't accept that your reasoning is faulty and easily seen through as self confirming.

>>90831026
The villain is the Hand.

>>90831106
I don't disagree with that. But a good reviewer is thorough and makes notes of everything. The good things, few though they may be, are still noteworthy.

>>90831099
>Fight sequences is the last thing Iron Fist has problems with.

try "the only problem"

What Iron Fist material is worth reading?

>>90831026
>where John Wick Chapter 2 ends.
Christ, I'd wondered why that whole scene felt like deja vu

>Harold, a guy with no martial arts skills
I mean, he's shown to be a health nut who trains MMA all day and also a ninja for The Hand

>>90831144
If one half of a season of a show has more good things than an entire season of another show, that should be noted. Any half of Luke Cage, Daredevil S1 or S2, or Iron First is better than JJ as a whole. It's not hard, anon. A show can be shit but still have good things in it.

>>90831195
Literally none.

>>90831132
All right, which fight scenes you have problem with and why.

Personally, I liked that we saw punches actually connect, lots of different styles and weapons and Danny's superpower is often utilized as well (dat moment when axe got broken when he used Iron Fist).

Some less important fights had too many cuts for my taste, but it's excusable, Daredevil had those too, fighting is solid throughout.

>>90831195
Immortal Iron Fist, particularly the parts about the previous Iron Fists. I really hope they use Orson at some point.

>Danny mentions going after The Hand in Claire's presence
If only she knew someone with experience who could help...
>Ward mentions to Danny, Claire and Colette he would need to be bulletproof to take out Harold and his armed guards
If only she knew someone with experience who could help...

>>90831195
Marvel Premiere #15-26
Iron Fist and Heroes for Hire whose number I forgot
the Immortal Iron Fist.

Personally, I dislike Iron Fist the Living Weapon, but /co/ has been positive about it and apparently it gets like a sequel.

>>90831254
We really didn't see many of the hits connect at all. At least not to the same degree as what we saw in Daredevil. There was more shitty theatrics and tropes in Iron Fist than actual realistic looking combat.

>>90831256
>>90831305
Thanks guys, I'll give those a try.

>>90831229
>i'm not saying a show is good if you cut out parts i'm just saying a show should be called good if you cut entire halves of the show
Sure. Take your bad logic and go tell it to people that won't point out how dumb you are so you can feel better.

>>90831306
Fucking, how can you even claim that, did you count them?

Also, Iron Fist's fighting is supposed to be stylized. Daredevil's fight choreography has always been stylized as well, it's by no means actually realistic.

>>90830938
I know they're left. I'm just disappointed that they are falling into the same myopic thinking that others publications have fallen into regarding Iron Fist.

>>90831350
You're not even reading my posts. Get the fuck outta here.

>>90831374
Realistic looking in the sense that you can actually see the hits connect. I had plenty of time to watch for that in Iron Fist given that it is starved of actual combat scenes. The best we got was the Hand's challenge and it went pretty much downhill from there.

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>>90831385
>n-no you

>>90831099
I'm not dissing anyone, I'm mocking you for thinking that the choreographer and stuntmen are what matters to fight scenes.

>>90831274
Not asking help from Daredevil was dumb.

Luke she couldn't ask for help, he is in jail

>>90831441
Why would asking Daredevil for help be dumb? He actually has experience fighting the Hand and arguably knows more about them than Danny does.

>i have nothing to do with danny rand
>Danny appears
kek

>>90831450
You literally did not respond to anything that I actually said. You were trying to quote something that I never actually said as a representation of my position. Shut the fuck up you cretin.

>>90831306
Who the fuck thinks magic kung fu is supposed to look realistic.

So why does it matter to Gao if he wins or not considering she essentially voided it by threatening to kill the girl

The original Iron Fist run:
>Marvel Premiere issues 15 to 25
>Iron Fist Vol. 1 issues 1 to 15
>Marvel Team-Up issues 63 and 64

Duffy Era Power Man and Iron Fist:
>Power Man vol. 1 issues 48 and 49
>Power Man and Iron Fist vol. 1 issues 50 to 75

Immortal Iron Fist:
>Immortal Iron Fist issues 1 to 27
>Immortal Weapons issues 1 to 5

>>90831529
See
>>90831444

>>90831480
It was a typo. I meant not asking for help was dumb, I deleted the post and reposted again here >>90831478

>>90831537
He was about to merc her favorite karaoke partner

>>90831537
Because the dude is one of her best warriors and she can't have him just getting killed.

Also she has no honor and can better manipulate Danny into doing what she wants if she breaks the rules.

>>90826217
>>Character wasnt a Gary Stu
>>The character with a 10 year olds understanding of our culture

>>90831546
meant to reply to
>>90831195

>>90826217
How would staying at the doctor prove he was Danny Rand?

>>90831546
>>90831598
not that guy but would you say it's worth reading Power Man's other stuff too?

>You know me, I love a good cremation

what the fuck, lady

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>>90831444
Hits fucking connect in Iron Fist, a lot. In my opinion Iron Fist gets progressively better.

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>>90831648
Yeah, Power Man's original run is really fun.

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>>90831026
The show isn't worth the effort

>>90831146
The Not-League of Assassins isn't a person.
That is almost like saying Batman's arch nemesis is crime.
There should be a singular Not-Ra'z Al Ghul that Not-Oliver fights against for an entire season.

>>90831209
The most ninja thing he did was bury a katana in a chinese guy's skull.
The climactic fight isn't Martial Arts????
Why is that allowed????

>>90831727
>that awful clarity

>>90831470
>choreographer and stuntment are what matter to fight scenes
They do matter. They make the fight scene.

>>90831825
>That is almost like saying Batman's arch nemesis is crime.
It is, I always hated that they made Batman's parents killer like an actual character.

>>90831834
There are not a lot of gifs as of right now.

They are fighting in the moving truck.

They are meant to be watched fully, not just by pieces, under same scrutiny any movie falls apart.

And they connect. Iron Fist's fighting is good.

>that ending

so danny forgot how to heal people with Chi what the fuck?

>>90831727
I've quite enjoyed the fight scenes in Iron Fist.
Obviously they're not on the level of a real kung fu movie, but this show obviously isn't that.

>>90831727
The lighting changes nonsensically and the other guy's hand that touches Danny is the wrong one. Basic continuity error cuts are a sign of shit direction/editing.

>>90831928
He forgets to do it all the time in the comics too.

>>90831928
he is a dam jack of all trades character and the show took away his healing?

>>90831928
he didn't know chi could heal

>>90831840
Not really. You can make an awful fight scene even if those people are competent. You're not watching the actual stunts, you're watching the final product.

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>>90831952
>When you scrutinize it, it falls apart
Who knew.

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>Iron Fist learns his powers can heal around the time he decides he could be a superhero

MAKES U THINK

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Can Davos be saved?

Do people actually believe Joy has gone darkside?

The MCU should just name all of their male characters Ward because they're the best.

>>90832002
Except fight scenes are good, I am not sure we are watching the same show.