Iron Fist NETFLIX Talkback Thread #3

Damn, this show is okay but Harold is a great character

I think it wasn't the best netflix show but it's one of the most consistent. It didn't have that big plunge in quality in the second half like JJ, DDs2, or Cage.

I still don't get how or even why Claire's hospital covered up The Hand attack.

>>90816147
This, oh my god. I wanted to like LC but dropped it at episode 5 it was so tedious. And I would have dropped DD S2 in the final stretch if I weren't already so invested in the characters and was rewarded with the occasional fantastic kingpin/punisher moments.

Currently on episode 9 of IF and I'm more invested with every episode, this episode's beginning really caught me off guard in a great way.

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DD S1>DD S2 = IF>LC>JJ

>>90816147
That was what I noticed. I expected a huge plot change around episode 10 but it was one long story.

Daredevil > Luke Cage > Jessica Jones > Iron Fist

>>90816230
It helped a lot, I think, that they set up Howard for the long term with The Hand as immediate foes, and then tied the two together well.

I had some doubts about the show because at first it seemed like the crash was an actual accident, removing Iron Fist's revenge motive which was a major part of his character. Then it came back to it in a different way that still worked out pretty well.

the show was okay, one positive i can think of is its consistent quality, while this quality is simply being average. I felt DD S1 was a 10/10 show from episode 1 to episode 13, where as IF S1 is a 7/10 show from start to finish.

but you really gotta be harsh on the show for not having any crazy kung fu action or special effects, the craziest things you see is jumping over a car or blowing up a door, nothing else.

it was nice to see the actor of Faramir in the show and he provides the two funniest and most exploitaiton scenes in the show, but even his story arc just ends, like, he just had to be done by the end of this season.

its ok, the production value is good (cmon its filmed in new york) but yeah, we need better choreography, better action and better cutting.

>>90816239
Luke Cage is a piece of shit but at least it had some good actors. JJ and IF are painful to watch.

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>>90816157
They did it, because The Hand is the Street Level/Netflix equivalent of HYDRA.
Everyone's part of The Hand. Even people who aren't.
Especially people who aren't.

>>90816227
I can dig it. Punisher of course becoming top dog once it airs.

Woof, I just watched episode one and if feels VERY slow. The show is too straight forward and there's not enough characters for an entire hour. Like, the first episode was just Danny Rand, the two business people, the hobo, Colleen Wing and the villain, and the entire time was them going "Danny Rand?"

We did not need a scene where the girl witnessed Danny jump the taxi then go to Ward and explain the entire Taxi scene to him. Like, that's PAINFULLY slow. This show is really repetitive with its conversations.

>>90816338
I believe that is the one fault of not having the 42 minute limiter. Writers don't tighten things up as much as they should.

>>90816338
>the first episode was just Danny Rand, the two business people, the hobo, Colleen Wing, Colleen Wing's tight butt and the villain
ftfy

Do we see a dragon?

>>90816043
>Danny
Looks more like Bob Ross to me

Post pics of Colleen's tight butt

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Reminder that Defenders is gonna do IF better than IF

>>90816397
We see its eyes

>>90816417
It's the muscles, right?

>>90816417
Happy little Chi.

>>90816439
That haircut is already solving a huge problem for me

and it's probably short like that to fit under the mask

>>90816427
>LC had Misty's tits
>IF had Colleen's ass
What did the other two have? There's nothing even remotely attractive about Jessica and DD's drawing a blank.

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I think the fights would have been better if they had Danny wear his cowl-cloth thing. That way a stuntman can take over when he fights. The fights are very underwhelming for a character that's supposed to focus on martial arts.

>>90816630
Not only that, it'd cut down on the times when you can see the stuntman's face when they do use one.

>>90816667
Oh, yeah, Jeri. Almost forgot her, which was weird considering she was one of the better parts of that show.

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>>90816625
Deborah Ann Woll is like one of the prettiest chicks I've seen so it had that going for it.

>>90816678
Oh shit you're right, Jeri and her fiance were bangin

>>90816688
Oh. Turns out I don't know actresses' names at all. Whoops.

I dunno. She is pretty as fuck but the body isn't entirely there. And she shot Wesley.

>>90816688
No.

>>90816630
I'm aure he'll have something by Defenders to round out the cast's aesthetic and make DD stick out less like a sore thumb

>>90816695
Fair points

>Danny autisticly rolls his chair round to sit by Joy
kek

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Are there no women in MCU K'un Lun? Davos was thirsty as shit.

>Ward explicitly says the pricing can fund new research
>BUT DA DRUGS SHOULD BE SOLD AT $5
God damn it Danny

>someone comes from K'un Lun
>people immediately ask if they have an Iron Fist

RACIST!!!

>>90816043
>>90816043
If only the actor was actually this hot
Sigh

>>90816775
He's getting there. Hopefully he's leaner by S2
>>90816439

>>90816754
Yeah it was interesting how they included some ethical quandaries that were multifaceted like that one, i'm sure it was intentional to play up Danny's naiveté and ignorance while getting you to sympathize with the Meachums but ultimately endearing the viewer to Danny. Good shit

>>90816754
Ward was stealing from Rand Enterprises the entire time. He doesn't have a leg to stand on.

>>90816790
kek this is high tier shitposting

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>that Hand School for Wayward Youngsters

Was that a jab at the X-Men?

Daaaaaaaamn

Episode 10 shit is getting crazy

I'm really debating on watching the show. So far the reaction from a lot of viewers, fans and critics tells me that this isn't a good show or a very enjoyable show by any means. I'm the kind of guy who would find pleasure in destroying every argument from rabid fanboys who think this is the best thing ever and fuck sjws IF the show fails to entertain me on right level but I don't know if I actually want to do that.

>>90816630
>>90816655
>>90816710
The show's fights should have been a bit faster (as in, with quicker strikes) and louder impact effects.

>>90816836
Episode 10 sucked ass.

>>90816824
Why?

>>90816846
Mind explaining a little more than that

>>90816841
Stop being an autistic, just watch the first episode and decide for yourself if you want to continue it or not.

Tell me why didn't retarded showrunners give the character his costume if actor can't actually into martial arts. Like nigga, did you learn nothing from Daredevil? Cox doesn't have to know fuck all about action, he's just a good actor and rest is left to stuntmen.

Does Daredevil show up at all? I'm at episode 6 and it feels like, from a plot point of view, DD should be there (at least, more so than luke cage in JJ).

>episode 4
>this info dump because they couldn't afford to shoot
God damn this show needs a better director and budget

>>90816900
Seriously, at least the mask

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I think I figured out why the Meachums subplot feels oddly situated in the show even though it's not done badly (it's well acted and directed).

If you removed the Hand and stitched it together with a few added dialogue bits grafted on to fill out some plot holes, it could have been its own story because it's that big; Joy, Ward, and Harold have enough chemistry and character to supply all the necessary narrative machinery. A kind of more grounded Cryptkeeper or Black Mirror episode about a CEO who finds a way to cheat death thanks to some form of tech or mysticism that requires him to die first, trying to keep running his company through surveillance and thorough control of his neglected son while hiding himself away only for the MacGuffin that keeps bringing him back to life making him more and more unhinged with each use.

Same with Colleen's whole dojo master discovers the larger charity organization she's a part of is a front for terrorists, infiltrators, and saboteurs. The Dark Side of Honor, Discipline, and Loyalty.

How does Claire even manage to leave the house? She can't go a month without meeting some crazy adventurer or vigilante.

>>90816880
It's an overall consensus that first 2 episodes are piece of shit so it wouldn't actually work now, would it? It sounds like a show that I would either have to power through or shouldn't even waste a second on. I'm just debating if putting down autistic fanboys into the first is worth it for me to power through this.

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>>90816933
>it's well acted

>>90816907
>expecting interconnectivity
>in Marlel television
Anon, you already know the answer.

>>90816946
Not him, but I like Harold and Ward

God the shows soundtrack is so mid 00's it hurts.

Couldn't they have done something like this (skip to 1:15 if you can't be bothered)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCdGwViVMM

Or just something to ignore that wasn't a shitty pendulum rip-off complimented by occasional rap.

>>90816935
It's just shitty bait to trick people into wasting their time
>Oh anon, it only gets good halfway through the season
>Yes anon, the first season wasn't very good but by the second season it gets great
etc
The first episode alone tells you all you need to know: bad acting, bad fight scenes, boring corporate plot.

>>90816955
Because you have no standards.

>>90816976
The problem is so simple, these fucking faggots signed a 13 episode deal in the very beginning without having any idea of what to actually do with 13 episodes. It's to be expected that writing would end up going full retard. They should honestly do the first two introductory episodes, then take the episodic formula and then just wrap up the plot in the last half. At least that way it wouldn't have horrible pacing issues and plot going retarded for the sake of stretching shit out.

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>get Iron Fist in costume
>It's not Danny, just whoever came after Orson

I don't know how I feel about this.

>all these scenes with Claire could have easily been Misty
Thanks Luke Cage

>>90816988
Not that guy but you're a huge faggot

You ought to be able to enjoy an actor for what they bring to a role not just for how technically proficient they are. The acting isn't great but yeah certain actors in this show do a great job bringing their character to life at least

>>90817046
Her curls would have made Danny's curls look bad!

>>90817060
Existing makes Danny's curls look bad.

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>not wanting to see the Thunderer naked

Danny and Davos are fags.

>>90817079
that's his dad, dude

>>90817076
Nope
>>90816439

>>90817092
Fair enough. Existing at medium length.

>Colleen got Anakin'd by most of her students

Has this ever happened before in a /co/ thing? Like, a master who was betrayed by pretty much all of their apprentices?

>>90817131
She deserved it though.

>>90816625
Every time Elektra spoke my dick responded powerfully. Her arc may not have been the greatest but the actress played Femme Fatale to a T

and in JJ, Trish was a cutie

Davos should have been in this show since episode 3 or 4. The overall quality shot way up after he arrived.

>Claire not just saying "Hey, I've got a friend who can help with the Hand"

Please tell me Davos doesn't die and at worst loses his hand

>>90816688
I love her cause she is a big /tg/ nerd. She made everyone in the cast D&D characters based on them. Charlie Cox was a Paladin cause she said he was the kindest person she ever met

>Tomboy Honeypots

The Hand is more insidious than I could have ever imagined. This is way beyond even Hydra.

>killing a dude for not being able to beat the Iron Fist
You'll run out of henchmen if you do that

>>90816988
Harold is very interesting. Ward is a fucking dick and I hate him, but I like the dynamic he brings, cause without him Joy wouldn't be interesting at all.

>>90817197
>Jessica Jones going up against the drunken master guy
>sees him drink
>"Amateur."
>drinks all the bottles behind him, drinks the bottle he's holding, then flicks him through the door
>"I like this kind of Kung-Fu"

>>90817236
>Ward is a fucking dick and I hate him,
Delet this. Ward's me chum.

>>90817206
Oh FUCK that's cute. I love it when a girl has hobbies/interestsf

>>90817223
He also stabbed the super heroin chemist.

>>90817249
I doubt he reported that bit

But maybe

>>90817223
lol yeah i thought the same thing. Considering he was able to go toe to toe with him they should have promoted him and paired him with an extra guy. Oh well, bad guy shit

>>90817236
>>90817242
Ward is a very well done 'shitty person' character, he's even sympathetic

>>90816625
Daredevil has Karen Paige, who I think is the cutest of the Marvel Netflix girls at least.

>>90817270
He's like a Patrick Bateman who's crazy funny in a different way.

>>90817186
I wonder how many Black Skies an Iron Fist could take on before succumbing to their budget cut superpowers.

So were the bottomless pit and Black Sky hand projects supervised by Madame Gao specifically or just the Hand in general? Where do we stand on those at the moment?

>>90816625
Hey. Colleen had nice tits too.

>Fastest donkey cart

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>>90817327
Those donkeys are probably magic maybe.

And underground cart racing ain't no joke.

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>Coleens hard nips in the same scene as Claire in booty shorts while they're both sweaty

>>90817392
what was with Claire being so nosy all of a sudden. Was she just bored? cause previously she mostly wanted to keep to herself? Is she getting past that phase?

I'm just at episode 5, so questions are retoracle cause I'm not looking for spoilers. Just found that scene really weird and kinda funny.

>>90817413
Somebody pointed out that Claire could have easily been replaced by Misty and it makes sense

>>90816239
Jessica Jones is BLACKED: The Series

>>90817424
But Misty isn't a doctor so that wouldn't make sense.

>>90816934
She's the healslut. Gotta have the healslut. Also she fucked or tried to fuck every one of them, so she's also just a slut.

>Ward just flipping off the whole room
That was pretty good

>>90817413
>cause previously she mostly wanted to keep to herself

She decided the opposite in Luke Cage and thinks someone should help superheroes.

>>90817433
So it should be higher?

>>90817454
You could easily replace any time they needed a nurse with them needing a detective instead.
Instead of them needing someone to care for stabbed guy, they could need someone to help find his daughter.
Instead of someone who knows how to use truth serum, they could have needed someone who can properly interrogate someone without using drugs.

>>90817467
No, it was not funny.

Why does Danny not use the Iron Fist more? He could defeat most of his enemies pretty damn easily if he did, all those punches would guarantee him victory.

So is the Bride of the Nine Spiders not one of the Immortal Weapons in this continuity?

>>90817503
not that anon, but I thought it was. I would have done the same thing

>>90817542
yes, she's in The Immortal Iron Fist

>>90817545
>not that anon
very believable
im convinced

>>90817529
because it takes a lot of his chi energy to use for one thing, and because having a special power to automatically win every fight is not entertaining for another. See: Miles Morales as Spider-Man.

>>90817545
>I would have done the same thing
That's what makes it so cringey.

>>90817503
I found it funny because it was yet another example of how pathetic Ward is.

>>90817610
>>90817566
If it's a reaction, what's the problem? Are people always supposed to be funny or cool?

>We can't call the police because reasons
They're not even trying

>start out thinking Joy is sympathetic and Ward's a dick
>episode 3: Joy's a twat too
>later realize Ward's a pretty decent guy after all
What did they mean by this?

>>90817467

Might be the one scene from him I actually liked


Why is everyone called ward such an unredeemable ass hole?

>>90817654
The Monopoly scene was really over the top.

>>90817642
Anon, how they hell are police supposed to deal with heroin shipments coming in via the pier? Much less do you really expect cops to believe that criminals in New York of all places are using the docks to bring in drugs? And even if they did what experience would police have in dealing with that kind of situation?

>>90817642
It wasn't illegal.

>>90817662
Everyone's an asshole when they're kids.

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Just finished it. Loved Iron Fist growing up. I always liked his powers and costume. Shame I never saw those in the show. The fight scenes felt on par with Arrow. I think there was more tai chi than fight scenes. I think there were more scenes spent in an office than fight scenes. The writing was pretty awful and any character with lines that wasn't a main character was awful. For training for fifteen years and supposedly being a human weapon and training under mythical monks dude gets hit a shit ton. I feel like they couldn't decide whether to make him a rich playboy or a monk so they just kind of did both. Also what the hell was Harold's bed? I thought it was for his immortality, do rich people just prefer criogenic chambers to sleep in I don't get it. I'm so disappointed in this show even though I put myself through the whole thing. I found more things to like in the new Fantastic 4 movie honestly and it didn't waste as much of my time. I'm excited to see him in heroes for hire or defenders or whatever the joined series is going to be, but man... it was watchable but just bad with no pay off. Joy was hot though... so that was cool.

Also when did Ward get the heroin patch that he used?

Seriously though what's with Harold's bed?

>>90817726
>Also when did Ward get the heroin patch that he used?

Come on, anon, they showed it like three times. You rushed the series and weren't paying attention.

>>90816043
Watch it and can say it's not bad but not good. It's ok. Better then LC and JJ.

So for me it looks like this

DD s1> DD s2> IF >> LC >JJ

5/10 its okay

6/10 during the fight trials and China stuff

Harold, Ward and Colleen saved the show

>>90817763
PS: It has a lot of potential. Hope if season 2 happens it will get better.

>>90817610
so what if it's cringy? Do you think you don't do cringy things on a daily basis. I'm aware enough to know I say and do some really cringe shit every fucking day. It makes the character believable

>>90817654

Throwing Danny off a Building didn't help either

Why did episode 7 click so much with every one?

It was frankly the only episode whose ending I hated

>>90816397
you see bad cg red eyes for a brief moment... I'm not joking

>>90817763
JJ > DD > IF >LC

I just don't understand black 'urban' culture and don't like rap. So I only ever liked cottonmouth, and the smooth jazz/blues music was great but everything else was blah. It just wasn't for me.

>>90817308
Probably a different Hand faction. There's clearly multiple groups acting independently and vieing for overall control of the group. Gao was focused on the heroin distribution.

>You dishonor yourself by fighting for money!
>fights for money herself
wew

>>90817840
that's kind of the point

>>90817649

If you had told me after episode 1 that I would wind up thinking Ward was one of the better characters of the show, I would have laughed in your face.

I think he just wound up being so pathetic and so obviously a victim of paternal abuse and manipulation that it became difficult to hate him for being an asshole, especially when there were so many worse assholes that had actually done awful shit compared to his more mundane scummy business practices.

>>90817840
Keep watching

So, uh, where is the research money for those drugs going to come from if they're selling the drug at cost?

>>90817873
>more mundane scummy business practices

It's easy to forget he tried to have Danny killed three times, put him in a mental hospital and wanted to lobotomize him, kicked him off of a building, pointed a gun at his head and lied about whether he could recall bullying Danny as a kid

>>90817882
heroine

>>90817882
The assistants' dental plans

>>90817760
They showed a dime bag of heroin over and over again... when did he get a patch?

>>90817900

Yeah, but he failed at literally everything he attempted one way or another. It's hard for me to hate someone that's so bad at being bad.

how did Danny get a license? He drove twice in his life....does NY just give out drivers licenses to anyone who walks in?

>that broken katana kick

Colleen is officially best girl.

>>90816117
>Harold is a great character

Harold and Ward, who are basically villains, given the spotlight is a weird highlight of the series.

>>90817990
He didn't. He tells Davos that he thinks he's allowed to drive without one because he's rich.

>>90817413
She just wanted to mooch off of Colleen's rich not-boyfriend. She even took a bunch of their food before she left. Then she immediately regrets it after Danny comes to her for the Nigh Nurse special.

>>90818024
He's not wrong.

>>90817990
>does NY just give out drivers licenses to anyone who walks in?

Yes.

Only 4 eps in but I'm finding this show a very mediocre "ok" I wouldn't have watched past episode 1 if the IF name wasn't attached. I found it to be incredibly boring. It's just dissapointing how wring this show is, how it completely blows any of the creative potential of the property.

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POLL: http://www.strawpoll.me/12555637

So that we can know

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[spoiler > "I-I'm sorry sir" [/spoiler]

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>>90817726
Seriously what's with the bed... am I the only one addressing this?

>>90818062
I chose 6 because I put myself through a lot of terrible media... at least it was about a Marvel character.

>>90817726
>Seriously though what's with Harold's bed?

He believes sleeping in an oxygen tent gives him sexual powers.

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>>90818070

You fucked up.

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> everyone thought Shulao wasn't a dragon

LOL

>>90816739
Had Danny plowed that boipussy he'd probably have a loyal cute femboy companion.

Such a shame.

>>90818070
Poor anorectic Fitz.

>>90818277
fuck off fag

>>90816988
>calling david wenham a bad actor

fuck you m8

>>90817039
I thought it was orson and they just moved him to WW2

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>>90818277
That's a girl, baby.

Hopefully with how the first season ended, there will be less corporate if Iron Fist gets a Season 2.

>>90818342
corporate disappeared compeltely once harold became a 2.0 zombie

i liked the corporate stuff anyway

Do hire do we feel shit Danny as a character?

I feel like he was nice and distinct from the other defenders, and did a good job being both endearing and also not infuriating to watch.

>>90818382
>Do hire do we feel shit Danny as a character?
You what?

>>90818382

His whole spastic anger issue screen-warping thing got kinda tiresome, but otherwise he was okay.

>>90818406
>>90818382
*How do we feel about

goddamn swype

>>90818382
I liked how he was the Black-and-White opposite of the Punisher. Like Frank, he believed that there's good and there's bad, but because he believes the world is inherently good, there are no gray areas in between.

The corruption angle was also an interesting arc that kind of got lost in the shuffle of the Meachums and Colleen's b-stories. Danny's very different from the earnest idealist from the first two episodes and his growing realization of how crummy he's treated everyone from Davos to Joy in his selfish quest to find himself was also cathartic to watch.

>>90816630
The biggest weakness of the show imo is the guy playing Danny Rand never once comes across as a martial arts master.

I'm on episode 4, actually really like it. But I think it's because my expectations were so low because of the reviews.

If they do a season 2 they need a better choreographer.

That FF costume is bretty gud at least

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>>90816630
I mean. It wouldn't be such a stretch. Matt was basically wearing his costume in season 1 of Daredevil. It'd be better for stealth than the hoodie he kept wearing.

>>90816630
This + the monastery robes (maybe a bit more form-fitting) would've been more than enough.

Shame Agent Carter got cancelled. Given the timeframe of her adventures, she could have crossed paths with Iron Fist 1948.

>>90818542
I kinda miss the S1 costume. I like doing it.

So what's the checklist now for Defenders?

>Jessica flying on camera
>Danny costume
>Heroes for Hire HQ

>>90818542
The cowl worked for Matt because he's blind.

>>90817433
According to porn sites, that's America's second biggest fetish behind relatives fucking, so I guess JJ succeeded in appealing to it's target demographic?

>>90816147
The only weak thing was Bakuto who just sort of came out of nowhere but at least he was tied into the business with The Hand so it wasn't as bullshit as whatever the bad guy in LC was called at the end.

I didn't get the same fatigue I got watching JJ or DD S2

>>90818587
I only liked it after he added the white handwraps.

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> Jessicas named omitted from everything

??

>>90818598
>Punisher can't get a shot
>Danny superhero bluetooth radios him to shoot at his hand
>Frank shrugs and does it
>Danny uses the Iron Fist to deflect it at the bad guy or at the plot target

>>90817610
"It's not good if there isn't a zany one-liner involved."

>>90818490
Probably because Robert Downey jr is more of a martial artist than he is. This scrub has NO training. I think the only qualifications for this role were "Dorky-looking white male". This is just the gender-switched version of the "Lets cast a photogenic white person as a martial artist" we've been seeing since martial arts tv shows were a thing.

>>90818490
you faggots wouldn't think he was the "right Iron Fist" unless they replaced the actor with stop motion paper comic cutouts of Danny

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>>90817649
I was actually disappointed when Ward killed his dad because I was digging his whole abused son thing and was sad that they were turning him into a straight up bad guy.

Glad I was wrong

>>90818070
He had it coming.
What kind of dick asks for fucking vanilla ice cream after your boss went through the trouble of getting you a bunch of weird designer flavors?

>>90817649
>>later realize Ward's a pretty decent guy after all

imagine being this guy

>>90816625
>There's nothing even remotely attractive about Jessica
She's a thin, pale, brunette with serious emotional damage, anon. Do you even Goth chicks??

>>90818821
>thin
Some prefer thicc.

>>90818658
Nobody really had any idea what was going on with Jessica Jones, right? It was mostly covered up for various reasons due to the whole mind control aspect freaking out everyone involved.

Meanwhile Mat has already become batman the devil of hell's kitchen and been so for a while and Luke had a ton of public shit going on including a very public beatdown of his arch nemesis
>>90818810
Wards scummy but the dude had to deal with some fucked up shit so its hard to blame him too much and he was decent to Danny at the end so eh

Will this show be the ultimate normie redpill?

>better than JJ and Cage
>HURR HE'S WHITE AND DOESN'T FIGHT CRIME 0/10

>>90818075
I can't be the only one...

>>90818807
I enjoyed his death too. But more because I hate the "groveling underling" archetype. Pathetic little worm got what he deserved.

>>90818761
Kek.

I hope Danny's hands actually ignite in chi-fire in Defenders.

>>90818898
Nah i'm liberal as fuck but there wasn't anything racist at all in Ironfist unless you're a retard that thinks 'non-asian doing an asian fighting style = racist'

>Jessica Jones reference
I didn't see it coming, but it kind of made me smile. Subtle, but it worked.

>>90817027
>these fucking faggots signed a 13 episode deal in the very beginning without having any idea of what to actually do with 13 episodes
Which is really an impressive level of incompetence given that this has been an issue for every single series so far ( and seems to have been getting progressively WORSE as they go on ).

I don't understand why they haven't brought in some people from the UK where they do shorter seasons as a standard; because something like Luther on BBC does considerably more with literally HALF the number of episodes than Luke Cage did.

>>90818490
>>90818725
>>90818761
He only had 3 fucken weeks to train

>>90817683
I don't know why this made me laugh so hard.

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>Stated reason for not putting Danny in costume is because he had no reason to hide his identity.
>Newly "resurrected" billionaire and majority stockholder of the company that bears his name has no reason to hide his identity when running around New York as a kung fu vigilante.

What Iron Fist comics should I read?
Immortal and Living Weapon are the only two that I know about.

>>90819051
Danny clearly didn't give a shit about the company or its public image

>>90819012
Yeah, that really excuses not hiring a real martial artist. In america, WHITE martial artists outnumber asians. It's like...hmmm, they chose this dork as a favor, or they really didn't give a shit about this series from the get-go. Fuck off with that bullshit.

>>90819062
H4H

>It's a Coleen wears tight, low-cut white tank top episode
:D
>It's a raining episode, but she wears a thick black hoodie instead.
D:

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>>90819062
The first run is really good

Marvel premiere 15-25

Better yet Ill dump my recs

1/2

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>>90819112
>>90819062
2/2

>>90819067

Danny was kind of an absolute selfish little shit to be entirely honest.

>>90818898
I still think Cage was better, the garbage final episodes don't really kill the show for me

>>90819074
Probably hired him because they liked his audition senpai, acting is important too

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this thread is a lie joy isn't hot you're all gay as fuck

>>90816739
Danny and Dobby talked about trying to spy on the village girls bathing, so I guess there was

At what episode do the Dragon eyes show up?

Did I miss it?

>>90819201
Final episode

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>>90819051
Iron Fist 1948 is in costume.

Which just raises further questions

>>90819112
As dark as TLW got, the humor bits were really well done.

>Drunken fist fight
>Snowing
>But the weather is sunny

>>90819213
Ah, I'm still on the previous one, then. There was one where the cave featured a ton, so I thought I missed it in that one.

>>90819219
kek, I forgot about all the humour in living weapon

>>90819228
your point being?

Just finished it.

Started out slow, everyone was a cunt, fights were disappointing, I am so sick of Claire and as much as I liked Harold he didn't really feel like a fitting final boss after Gao and Bokito.

Once it built up after the first few episodes, shit stayed enjoyable to the end, though. Ward and Harold saved it all.

>>90816043
I'm on Episode 9 and I'm confused why Danny is some merciful angel with the Hand. Why doesn't he DESTROY the Goa?

>>90817793
>you see bad cg red eyes for a brief moment
Did they even bother with cgi? Because they looked about on par with Spot The Dragon from The Munsters to me.

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>>90819136
Yeah but to be honest I kind of felt like that was suppose to be the point. He fucked over not only Joy and Ward but his entire people when he jacked their special sacred power they use to defend themselves from their sworn enemy and then just fucking left out of nowhere to deal with his own petty shit instead of doing his fucking job. I wasn't buying Clares or Dannys retarded 'you can do more good out here!' logic when Danny literally stole their shit and ran.

At least it seems like he'll have to deal with consequences of that next season.

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>>90819239
Not to mention Danny's more jovial aspects shining through the gloom every now and then.

>>90819270
I agree on the spoiler part, It seems like with every marvel netflix show the end doesn't feel like an end, I mean sure there's a resolution but it's not the real end, which happens around 10 11 or 12, though I wanted Harold to be good, I liked him aswell, too bad for him, Also fucking joy, why would she ever do that? Dobby is retarded

>>90819346
Next season, or Defenders, which is up next

>>90819169
dat colleen tho

>>90819349
's kind of a shame he's so super serious here. Guess that's just a thing with Netflix.

>>90819150
>acting is important too
>kid has the charisma and acting chops of an over cooked dumpling
Confirmed for not have bothered to watch the fucking show. Opinion discarded.

>>90819270
Harold would have been fine if it hadn't become a fist fight in the end and instead the finale was like a break in or something. Harold shouldn't have been a physical threat at all and should just have been done at that point

>>90819497
He was nice at the start. HIs scene with Jeri was pretty fun as was his reveal that he bought Colleen's building so she doesn't have to worry about paying rent.

>>90819499
nope I watched all 13 eps thought he was great

But according to your logic I'm now a fucking mongoloid retard instead of someone with a different opinion so lets just end this here

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>>90819346
I liked how he looked like he'd be the aw shucks Steve Rogers/Superman of the Defenders, but he wound up being the worst hero among the four due to his lack of restraint and foresight.

>>90819580
>well *I* liked it!
>Shut up shut up shut up!
You have to be 18+ to post here, kiddo.

>>90816043
i want joy to drug my drink and play with my penis as i pass out while ward watches

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>Cage=The Thing
>Daredevil=Invisible Woman
>Danny=Human Torch
>Jessica Jones=Mr. Fantastic

Sound about right?

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>>90819697
>Daredevil=Invisible Woman
>Jessica Jones=Mr. Fantastic

Something has been bugging me.
If Colleen's dojo was a secret Hand training/indoctrination site, how was it so financially unstable? And how could Danny just buy it without finding out that it had ties to the Hand?

>Zombie Meachum
This is hilarious.

>>90819736
Stealth, man. Matt's way more stealthy than Jessica.

Plus, Jessica's asshole's pretty flexible right now from getting BLACKED there so much.

>>90819736
Iunno mate, Charlie Cox got a better ass than Kristen Ritter. Also you just know they'll have Jessica be the leader of the Defenders.

>Ward is a massive cunt but sort of tries to do the right thing
>Joy Is a good person but then flips and will probably help Davos and Gao
cool

At the end of the first season of The Defenders Danny Rand and Luke Cage will enter into a homoerotic relationship.
Mark my words.

>>90819748
If I understood what was going on correctly then everything dealing with Colleen was literally a giant trap by the Hand right down to her meeting him for the first time and her perceived finical troubles so that he could waltz in and be the hero by saving her.

Also I just now realize what that part in one of the first few eps where she had her students try and ambush her was about. Of course that was shady as fuck at the time but I just dismissed it as some weird writing thing

>>90819816
That liver shit was some A-grade super villainy.

>the "my kid has cancer!!" woman was deliberately exploiting Danny
>he's literally named Rand
wow, subtle

>>90819861
Yeah that was really fucking shady and i'm surprised that we never really saw Joy go that dark again

>>90819864
And her lawyer was video taping the entire incident.

It was a damned if you do/don't moment for Danny. If he brushes her off, he'll look like an asshole. If he doesn't, score, we can filch his company for money!

Is new Ward a reincarnated AoS Ward?

>>90819963
Unless reincarnation plays weirdly with time, doesn't match up.

Poor Kyle
RIP you little vanilla boy

>Stein, Frank N
kek

>>90819998
I liked how shocked Harold was after that, showing he wasn't a villain so much as just really fucked up because the reviving. Then that all goes out of the window when he admits he was an asshole even before he had cancer.

>>90819963
He's an alternate Ward, like Dio and Diego Brando from JoJo
They're the same, but different

>>90819890
The Blackmail bit was kind of on par.

DD S1 > DD S2 > LC > JJ >> IF

Say what you want but Iron Fist's final episode was painfully bad. And I'm not just talking about the horrendous ground pound or the CGI dragon eyes.

Oh and rand enterprises stuff is not interesting. At all. Jessica Jones might have had some real low points but it never made me feel as bored as I did watching IF episode 2. The only saving grace was Harold and Ward's actors doing a good job with what they were given.

>>90819784
I'M RAAAAND

On episode 3, is danny so unchill in the comics? I was expecting zen master

Rip Big Al

He could find anything except love.

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They introduced the history of the Iron Fist and the concept of warrior monks to the viewers as a rant from Danny in a mental hospital in episode 2. Why is this show so embarrassed by what the Iron Fist actually is?

>>90816043
I'm interested...
I'm ep3 but... good God this is lazy fights
So slow and just.... poor
Does it get better

Are the Meachums supposed to be the Trumps?

>>90820289
At the start and during stressful times like in The Living Weapon, yeah, Danny can lose control. He's a Weapon for a reason, you gotta point him the right direction

>>90820436
It's not, they just don't have any money at all to do anything interesting with the mythos. Christ, even the snowdrift and plane scenes look like trash because they can't afford to build sets or do good green screen

>>90820289
He abandoned his post as defender of K'un L'un so he could go on a revenge quest to kill Harold. He didn't really become zen until after he had finally gotten over his need for revenge.

>If you kill him then you'll become just like him
>which is why I have to kill him for you
kek

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>getting his wound stapled
>says oh god
>not oh buddha
>which is something actual buddhists do

this show is ass for many reasons, but it's lack of small details is the worst offense
still better than dd season 2, jj, and luke cage tho
and that really says something about the quality of these shows

Why do they keep going back to the boardroom?
Why do they keep showing the boardroom?
Why are they trying to put danny in the boardroom?

Where are the ninjas?

>>90820580
NO MONEY
O

M
O
N
E
Y

FIRE THE KIKE

what the fuck? is Wing supposed to be part of the Hand in the comics?

>>90820580
I don't know how far you are but I'll just tell you now there are more ninjas in DD S2's second half then the entirety of Iron Fist

>>90820580
>Where are the ninjas?

SAID NOBODY EVER

i turned it off when Danny was in the Hospital and the doctor believes who he is and then like an idiot Danny starts talking about Kung Lung

>>90820580
DD S2 and IF got their scripts switched round at some point

Where is the green lighting in the show?
Luke Cages apartment had the yellow
Daredevil had several red lit rooms and fight scenes
Jessica Jones had purple effects here and there

>>90820455
That's impossible, Harold and Joy are attractive.

>>90820697
dude this show can barley string together a plot for a single episode, why do you think someone even thought of color design or lighting? look at the opening credits it's all grey tones.

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>refers to The Avengers movie as "the incident"

don't be coy about this shit

just fucking say it

say that a wormhole opened over Manhattan and there was a genuine alien invasion

>>90820841
They just call it 9/11 irl, not "that time the Sandpigs flew"

>>90820697

I didn't notice any lighting but there were some instances such as the ceramic bowl Danny made for Joy as a child being green and yellow, also Danny's robe when he is shown on the mountaintop is also green and yellow

>>90820697
Subtlety and nuance. Anything distintly associated with danny/iron fist had the green/yellow motif.

His monk's uniform during flashbacks, the evidence of Danny's identity that had his fingerprint was a green/yellow ceramic pot. The walls of the psych eval center was a subdued green.

The yellow is also subdued inside rand enterprises and other locations.

It's rarely the green/yellow together like a yin/yang.

>>90820580
>>90820841
blame Perlmutter

>colleen wants danny out but they start sparring instead
SEXUUUUAAAAAAAAAAALLLL TENSIOOOOOOON

>>90820911

I don't remember which show it was, maybe it was Agents of SHIELD or Daredevil, but somebody called it the Battle of New York at one point, which I think was fitting as historic battles often have a name more descriptive and specific than "the incident"

The asian mentor talking to danny has got to be the most african american sounding asian of all time

>>90820962
Fair enough.

I dunno, it doesn't bother me as it fits the tone. I just wish they weren't trying to be all out in the open AND underground at the same time. It's weird.

I can't believe RZA directed the best episode in this fucking show

>>90821001

the RZA sharp like a razor

Whats with the belts the students were wearing in the martial arts class. They were all the way down to their knees

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>>90821001
>Good director agreed to work on a good show for fat paycheck
Such a mystery.

>>90821076

In martial arts your belt represents your skill level

I don't even do karate and I know this

>>90821108
I wouldn't call RZA a particular good director and i wouldn't call Iron Fist a particularly good show.

>>90816227
DD S1 > DD S2 = IF > Agents of Shield S2-4 > JJ > Agents of Shield S 1 > LC

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>come home
>find your doorway is now a Buddhist shrine
Wat do?

>>90821138
I would.

>>90821001
he should have directed the whole thing, seems like he understood that everyone wanted to see crazy kung-fu shit instead of corporate politics.

i agree with >>90821138, mostly because he just hasn't done that much directing as far as I know, but something like IF is more in his wheelhouse than anything else

>>90818277
I fucking new you guys would react this way about Davos

I don't know how to feel about this show

ALL I KNOW is that it's not the worst netflix show, that's for fucking sure.

>>90821215
Kill infidels in the name of Allah.

>>90821258
Would you say Man With the Iron Fist is a great movie?

But thats basically the only thing he is directed.

>>90821001
Especially after how bad Man with the Iron Fists 2 was.

>>90821143
I feel like DDS2 needs to be separated into two parts, because the first part is great, while the second part just sucks fucking ass

>>90821277
But they cast a white guy as the lead in a kung fu movie.

>>90821297
You can do that to almost every Netflix (even outside Marvel) show, though.

>>90821281
>unsolicited opinions on religion

>>90821290
So, are you questioning if it's great or good, make up your mind.

>>90821323
Do you consider that a good movie?

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Maybe it was silly for me to think such, but based on the heavy focus on Danny's iPod in the trailers, I thought that early 2000s, late 90s music would feature more heavily in the show. Maybe not to the extent of GotG and Quill's playlists, but of comparable amounts.

>>90821297
As much shit as people give to second half, the only problem is actually Frank. He takes up too much of a damn show and stands in the way of Daredevil.

They should've done Bullseye.

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>>90821298
You mean like every time Keanu Reeves was cast in anything?

>>90821353
Elektra was boring as shit, and the second to last episode, where they are in position to explain everything, they just throw clichê profecy mumbo-jumbo at you.

Then for some fucking reason Frank doesn't mow down the fucking ninjas with a machine gun. That still pisses me off.

>>90821340
I mean, if you are in for Kung Fu fun, it's good. But it does lack things average movie goers look forward to.

>>90821390
I don't know.

I said shit about RZA, but i actually like that movie, but i feel that it fails on the most important element of a Kung Fu movie.
The Kung Fu.

Much like Episode 6 of Iron Fist, Man With the Iron Fist, nails the campy, over the top, visual aspect of Kung Fu with the Colorful Whorehouse in the Movie and the Tournament of Death in the series, but it ends up failing when it comes to the fight scene.

Itsstill the best episode in the series.

>>90821378
>Keanu
>white

>>90816959
Wasn't that the point?

Danny is the most hatable fuckin protagonist. I thought he would get better but I'm now up to where he is put back in charge of the company and I can't believe I feel bad now for the saturday morning cartoon "rules are for pussies!" villain now.

>>90821136
he's talking about how long some of their belts were, like that one that black kid who was making fun of danny had.

it's not particularly weird for the kind of school that Colleen was running, though

>>90821480
Well, nobody calls for recognition of people of blues, yet.

>>90821480
most people consider Vin Diesel as "white". That's how it works in hollywood.

>>90821389
It's obvious showrunners are just Frankwankers who wanted to pitch their husbando through Daredevil.

Only Steven S. DeKnight knew how to work on Daredevil.

It's also not unreasonable to assume they had a lot of blocks because Hand was decided to be main threat instead of just Daredevil's.

This OC Black Sky shit really irks me too, they tell about how important it is and never fucking tell us why.

>>90821480
>>90821582
I have to admit i'm stumped here. What do you consider them?

I just realized that I I am 4 episodes in and they haven't shown the tattoo yet.

>>90821592
>Only Steven S. DeKnight knew how to work on Daredevil.
No, his episode was the worst of them all and the first season got worse as time went by.

The guy who did nail Daredevil was Goddard.

>because Hand was decided to be main threat instead of just Daredevil's.
This is also bullshit. Why the fuck is Gao part of the Hand? She's chinese, not Japanese. They could've made the same shit except instead of the Hand they were K'un Zii or whatever, and just say that they lost the tournament and got kicked out of the island forever, so they used magic to try and go back and the hand got hold of it for Daredevil.

Why the fuck would they mix Japan and China, they are very cool and distinct mythologies.

>>90821624
people call them white because it's easier

They're basically multiracial. Too many ethnicities, it happens a lot in america.

>>90821641
They do at the end of episode 4 IIRC.

>>90821735
They got 5 minutes left.

Midway through, man, I'm actually starting to feel bad for Ward.

>>90821791
Him being a manchild in the perpetual shadow of his domineering father wasn't enough?

>>90821806
He isn't a manchild though. He's a fairly successful businessman.

>>90821651
Steven DeKnight not only worked on show's overall production, but he also wrote some of the best episodes. Like episode 8, Kingpin's origin.

Say what you will about first season, but I thought it was solid almost throughout, the only part I didn't like was death of Ben Urich who achieved fuck all in the show and even then it was confirmed to be made even before Steven came into show's production.

Last episode was solid, with Kingpin's ill intent speech and his fight against Daredevil.

>>90821831
It's heavily implied that his greatest business decisions are his father's and everytime he doesn't follow what his Father says it ends up in shit.

>>90821831
He's a crappy businessman though, literally every good decision he ever made was actually his Dad's.
Just look at what happens when he acts on his own. He tries to smear Danny in the press but all he does is make him look good. He refuses to settle the cancer lawsuit despite everyone on his board asking him to reconsider and makes everything worse.

>>90821948
> He tries to smear Danny in the press but all he does is make him look good

I though that was intentional

Him pretending danny's a shit so that the reporter writes about danny being a good boy dindu nuffin.

>>90821831
Have you seen how he reacts to any kind of pressure?
He never outgrew his father's shadow, is always seeking to make daddy happy and does not make his own decisions.
He is a man walking in shoes two sizes too large.
And his only motivations are fear and envy. He is a businessman like Paris Hilton is. Except he does not even represent himself and let the professionals do the work, he is just a sockpuppet.
Look at the depictions of him at 15 and at 30. The same petty child, just in a tailored suit.
His sister is actually doing her own thinking, by contrast.

>>90821980
No, he was just trying to get his dick wet with the reporter and had drank too much in the process.

>>90822071
I don't know, dad told him to take care of him. And he took care of it.

>>90822071
No, he said that so Rand Enterprise could get favorable publicity.

You can even see him smiling when reading the news

>that Karaoke scene
kek

I clearly haven't been paying close attention. Why did Danny leave K'un Lun to begin with in this show?

Has anyone else noticed Ward has his father's number saved as Stein, Frank N. ?

>>90822169
yes, because it's shown multiple times and they make no effort to ever hide it

>>90822160
White guilt.

>>90822172
I'm not that far in, so I wouldn't know how often that's shown.

Episode 6 feels like the arc of an anime.

>>90822195
like every time he calls

>>90822160
Hand moved into NYC and he was typecast as their America guy.

>>90822204
Again, seen one such call so far.

>>90822169
Joy asks who it is at some point.

>>90822160
>>90822216
Because it was his first chance to leave, he'd been stuck there for 15 years with no choice due to the door to K'un L'un only opening every 15 years

>>90817706
he was also being abused by his dad, took it out on Danny

>>90822145
yeah I keked too, also reminded me of Sleeping Dogs a bit

>>90818070
I laughed so much at his death. He was so pathetic he deserved it.

>>90821831
You can have a business sense and be a manchild.

I disagree with anons who say it was his dad who mandate all good decisions, I sincerely doubt he was giving fuck all about majority of business ideas as long as they were profitable, like, I doubt he had anything to do with pills they were going to sell for 50 bucks each until Danny told them to make them at cost.

I thought that he was torn between trying to be a successful businessman in his own right and be his dad's shadow (ironically, work in the light for him), and his dad actually tells him to do things that hurt his personal business ideas like giving Dany back his company.

I also think this was a que to us that he is still in fact childish >>90822169

>>90822315
>You can have a business sense and be a manchild.
Donald Trump is living proof after all

>>90822330
TOPICAL

>>90822330
Oh shut the fuck up you leftist cuck.

I'm sorry but the more netflix shows will continue, it will be harder for me to believe there all gonna just exist without mentioning spidey ONCE.

Before the movie, they still have an excuse. After that, fuck them. Spidey IS a street-lever superhero and has more in common with netflix characters than with avengers.

One fucking mention, one fucking mention of spidey. If the future seasons don't have, fuck the marvel KIKES. SPIDEY IS A NUMBER ONE NYC SUPERHERO. Period.