ITT: Good movies ruined by their endings

Was honestly pretty dumb. i mean the book was by no means great but at least the ending fit with the overall atmosphere. Having the animals all revolt again just felt silly at that point.

>>90792586
>Not loving the book

Pleb

>>90792586
the book has a pretty good metaphorical ending

>>90792605
t. George Orwell dick rider
It was an ok book

>>90792586
I would argue the animated ending was just as grim as the original, if not more. The animals didn't know how to run the farm by themselves. They either died or went back to the humans.

>>90792551
Communism is a joke.

>>90792638
Or some other animal took over to fill the pig's role, leading to a never-ending cycle of revolt.

>>90792686
imperialism is the punchline

>>90792636
>Implying I'm an Orwell fan

His other stuff is overrated, but Animal Farm is top tier.

>>90792638
Wow, its just like real life

>>90792638
Movies don't make me think as much a book does. I really don't enjoy going off imagining what happens after a movie unlike books. The book had ended where I could feel confident in how it would of continued, but I didn't think about the movie and how it would go on.

I'm more partial since to the book just because its always so much fun to read.

>>90793319
That sounds like it's more your problem rather than the movie's.

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>getting the babby version of communism from animal farm
>not the outright horror book of shit that really did happen that seemed utterly impossible that is the Gulag Archipelago

That book will actually make you realize why people decide to be evil and why communism is inherently flawed instead of just presenting communism as a good idea usurped by evil people, the reason why people still try to do it today.

>>90793414
it's less that communism is inherently flawed and more that people are inherently shit

>>90793447
Right. and communism teaches you to ignore that fact and blame "the evil power structure" for the suffering in the world.

Instead of viewing the "people" as a collection of individuals, which would mean people have rights and responsibilities on the individual level, they're see as one of two groups; the good and the bad.

You never have to question YOUR actions, because YOU don't really act. It's just your group acting through you.

>>90793447
Communism is inherently flawed because people are inherently shit.

Though pure capitalism is flawed for the same reason.

>>90793708
>Capitalism has worked relatively well hundreds of times in dozens of countries
>Communism has been a massive fucking shitshow absolutely anywhere it's been attempted

>>90792969
Capitalism is the comedian

>>90793708
>as long as I set things up as a false choice between two extremes, then I don't have to think!
Sure is sophomore in college in here.

>>90793708
Slight correction: In capitalism it's private entities doing most of the fucking, not the government.

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>>90793747
>Communism has been a massive fucking shitshow absolutely anywhere it's been attempted
Come again?

>It wasn't REAL communism
Nazis killed ~6 million. Stalin ALONE is near 30 million.

If communism is "salvageable" then what the fuck does that make NatSoc?

>>90793854
Are you talking economic policy or killing Jews policy?

>>90793886
Here's an idea:

Jews are so culturally entrenched in banking and real estate that their genocide does actually have an impact on economic change.

Nobody ever seems to bring that up, jews and money aren't just connected for a joke about them being cheap, they're the only people who were allowed to partake in usury

>>90793789
Communism has been a massive fucking shitshow absolutely anywhere it's been attempted.

>>90793886
I'm talking "whip the villagers in to a frenzy and drag the farmers out of their homes and force them in to prison camps and then blame the west when the subsequent famine kills even more people."

This happened in Russia and China. Tell me how that's different than the pogroms of eastern Europe? Oh. It's not based on race so it's totally fine.

Wtf I thought this was a cartoon board.
Mods please help.

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>>90793980
Kulak detected
Off to gulag with you, state wrecker

The movie was horrible. It has nothing to do with the real meaning and menssages of the book. Besides that the movie is a childish version, because it doesn't has any of the violent parts of the book.

>>90793854
>stalin
>a right-wing military lead government
>somehow that is socialism

???

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Is aku a communist?

>>90793759
and anarchism is the audience

>>90794049
Aku siezes the means of production but doesn't do any redistribution.

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>>90794065
But what about anarcho capitalists?

>>90793789
Russia is poor as shit sooo

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Communism is such a fucking shitshow that China needed to reform everything just not to tank.
RIP Venezuela


>>90794049
No, he's more like a Monarchist.
Shogun of evil, prince of darkness etc.

>>90794028
Oh we're doing the no-true-scotsman thing. ok.

Then I guess we should revert to theocratic governments since no TRUE Christian government would do anything evil. All that shit in the past was just a perversion of Christianity's message of forgiveness.

Or maybe we should just commit even further to capitalism since we've never really had a TRUE free-market. All of the negative consequences of capitalist governments are just a product of them not being capitalist ENOUGH.

Right?

>>90794092
Idiot, that pissed itself

>>90793789
The USSR died and Russia isn't communist.
they lost a good amount of land after their collapse.

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>>90794028

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>>90792551
Literally gets exactly what she wanted without learning anything and her actions have no consequences. Instead of coming up with some compromise she just leaves her family and her whole old life because 16-year-olds know exactly what their doing and can make huge life-changing decisions without fear of ever regretting their choice.

>>90794169
yeah it pretty much boils down to "I have good intentions so it's impossible for me to do anything destructive therefore you should put ME in charge of the communist world government."

It's so fucking pigheaded and shortsighted...

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>>90794116
>tfw venezuelan
>tfw you were there long enough to see people start kidnapping and eating kids off the street and the government go full judge dredd before you were able to move away
>literally dark souls abandoned town tier ruined capital, predatory dogs everywhere, hokuto no ken tier criminals all over the place taking advantage of the chaos, nobody able to defend themselves, cultists sacrificing animals on the street
>have Brazilian friends apparently going through the same thing, not full commie like venezuela, but lefty government left people without guns utterly defenseless to drug dealing murderous criminals

>mfw seeing antifa protesters near me go full marx

>>90793941
B-b-but that wasn't REAL communism!

>>90793854
stalin came into power by joining the communist party and convincing people he was going to follow the doctrines of communism, then he went mad with power and did whatever he wanted and totally forgot he had a codebook of communism to follow and instead started killing anybody who diagreed with his personal view of communism (wich was something along the lines of "fuck you, I'm stalin, I do whatever I want."). somehow now when people think about communism they inmediately think of stalin and his ordes of asassins thus making communism look like a cult of hate and murder and not the doctrine who tried to give the worker class better life.
sadly communism will live forever in shame thanks to stalin and the view americans projected to the world.

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>>90794198
Tell me stories and I'll post more Megumin ass.

>>90794169
Communism is a worldwide economical system, it cannot be "completed" or even "tried" on a national scale.
When the Eastern bloc was big enough it could have been put to practice, but infighting and external pressure from its competitor, capitalism (a system which THRIVES on conflict, whereas communism works better in peace) destroyed any opportunity.
Not that the Soviet tyranny would have been interested in even trying anyway.

But sure, let's just single out Cambodia and point out how a full fledged economical system couldn't be built on rice fields and fish sauce by a literal psychopath with no education, that surely is proof that communism can't work in principle.

>>90794318
So you admit that communism gives someone the ability to go full stalin but refuse to acknowledge that that is the primary inherent flaw in communism and also believe that if tried again there wouldn't be another leader like stalin. Ok.

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>>90794198
did you like the movie were they glorify this fat fuck?

>>90794318
So then let's move to Pol Pot or Kim Il-Sung or Mao Zedong


>>90794398
>Communism is a worldwide economical system, it cannot be "completed" or even "tried" on a national scale.
I understand where you're coming from but "my ideology requires THE ENTIRE WORLD to change it's nature overnight" is so far beyond untenable I don't even know what to with it.

>>90793789

>ussr collapsed

Thanks for proving the point

>>90794398
Or maybe your whole system is retarded and just a tool for the globalist Jews to bankrupt a nation and then buy all the cheap property/assets once things go to shit.

>>90794198
You're a spic anon, antifa's will treat your word like the word of god, slap some fucking sense into them.

>>90792551
How did showing that elites in any society (regardless of ideology) inherently look out for their own interests and disregard in private the ideas they sell to the public ruin the ending?

>>90794028
are you implying democratic socialism is the only socialism

>>90792551
Wait... wasn`t it "Four legs good"?

>>90794426
same with imperialism, anyone can be the next napoleon/hitler/lenin/kim jong/chavez, etc, just give them an army and the ability to kill people just with an order

>>90793747

does capitalism working relatively well mean shit ton of people dying because of it

>>90794438
This
Any political system that requires all of fucking humanity to get on board is some serious fairy tale bullshit.

>>90794116
>Communism is such a fucking shitshow that China needed to reform everything just not to tank.
And now it's "communism" for the vast majority of poor, ordinary people who are expected to be thankful for the opportunity to work themselves to death as virtual slaves, while a small hyper-capitalist elite live lives of luxury profiting off their labour.

Which seems to be endgame for everywhere in the world if the people at the top get their way.

>>90793414
Orwell was a socialist who became fed up with Stalinism. He wasn't anti communist and he'd be pissed at people who use him for that

>>90794680
can't authorization replace the slaves?

>>90793789
Russia is pretty much a paper tiger with their oil being the only thing going for them, their hopes of Trump saving them and forming a strong alliance is pretty much down the toilet after he was backed into a corner by everyone in the senate and congress no thanks to Michael Flynn.

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>>90792551
>>90792586

>"waaah animals revolting is a bad ending"
>literally the same thing happened across eastern europe

>>90793414
>>not the outright horror book of shit that really did happen that seemed utterly impossible that is the Gulag Archipelago

you call the soviet system horror? boy you should read about Pol Pot, nigga killed 25% of the Cambodia population, thats insane, thats the kind of shit that would make Hitler and Stalin blush

>>90794834
To be honest, both the animated and live-action movie did pretty much predict how much it ended, with either the government collapsing on itself due to poor ass economy or just generally pissed off people.

Hell China today is pretty much Communism in name only due to a few reforms and a rising middle-class.

>>90794438
>I understand where you're coming from but "my ideology requires THE ENTIRE WORLD to change it's nature overnight" is so far beyond untenable I don't even know what to with it.

On this we agree. This is at the very core of Marx's ideology, and I think it is impossible without worldwide organisation. Which is borderline impossible. Remember that this is exactly, and only, the communist plan.

Remember the motto is "proletarians of THE WORLD UNITE".

Anything else, which revolves around smaller areas, can't be communism if it isn't a short transitional form.
Communism is the final, global result.

Achieving it is almost impossible, especially in a fragmented society of 100 classes rather than 2.
But worldwide organisation has never been easier, and if ever international workers unions become a reality, there is wiggle room to grow.

Also communism can't be cultural or revolve around small reforms. Liberalism is completely incompatible with communism, and I'd argue the same goes for social democracy as well.

In capitalism you have no real unbreakable rights. Everyone just gets what their power allows. So you just need to organise and take it. No reforms, protests or campaigns. Only direct attacks and pushes on the market and production. Also, Zizek is a hack.

This being said, the absence of any "plan B" in marxism truly is a deadly sin, it's the reason why I think it is an outdated ideology which needs new means of achieving its goals, other than a global "day of the rope" that will never happen.

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>>90793789

>>90794900
Didn't he sentence people to death for eating and reaping specific sorts of fruits?

>>90793854
technically Hitler killed 11 million people, 6 million of them were jews, the other 5 million assorted "enemies of the regime"

>>90794934
I do not understand why it can't have a small scale proof of concept in a nation that can be self sufficient

Doesn't matter what form of government is implemented because at the end it will always lead to

>>90794680
>vast majority of poor, ordinary people who are expected to be thankful for the opportunity to work themselves to death as virtual slaves, while a small hyper-capitalist elite live lives of luxury profiting off their labour.

Apparently the the primary issue has nothing to do with societal structures or government, it's inherently human nature.

Unfortunately, it's becoming clear that the world won't change for the better unless if global eugenics are brought into consideration. Removing mental illnesses and personality disorders like the "warrior genes" that lead to sociopathy and narcissism is a good start.

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>>90794198
>>tfw venezuelan

donde vives ahora mi pana?

i fled to chile, i cannot belive how many idiotic leftist posters i see on the streets of santiago, its almost a good thing (for the left) that Allende got killed, otherwise people would only remember him as the lousy president he was

I'm pretty sure that the CIA funded the production of the movie, and insisted the ending be changed.

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>>90794428
dont ever show that shit to a venezuelan immigrant

>>90794934
the nature of worker has changed since the days of marks. The state is eternal and so is class, even if its not an economic class their will always be a social class and hierarchy among the classless. any 1 world government is an abomination that stifles the people and leads to stagnation. final stage of communism requires people to remain in stasis and willfully chose to never change.
>In capitalism you have no real unbreakable rights. Everyone just gets what their power allows. So you just need to organise and take it. No reforms, protests or campaigns.
such is the raw nature of all things. one could say by organizing it you limit the damage and chose
>global "day of the rope"
Which would achieve what? yes you can have the so called temporary dictatorship of the proletariat but temporary becomes permanent because new people are always born and need to be educated/enforced into the ideology so the system is forever stuck in the transnational period (if its lucky)

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Have we brought up Secret of NIMH yet? I think it's a strong enough movie that it still holds up despite the end, but the end was the worst thing about it. It's more like "a movie that might have been perfect if it wasn't for the end."

>>90794984
i love how he literally killed people for being too smart, like, if you knew how to read or knew any foreign languages, you were completely fucked

and yet the son of a bitch knew how to speak french

as always hypocrisy and communism go hand in hand

>>90793789
Fascism is not communism.

>>90795184
No we are talking about global politics and communism

>>90795201
another thing you will often find is that the organizers are themselves often part of the elite (comparatively) and thus have the luxury to sit on their ass and ruminate on this shit, unlike the average worker

>>90795227
putin is a bro

>>90795271
>implying

>>90793747
that wasnt real communism, and people die in capitalist countries too

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>>90794184
That sounds like a problem with the whole movie.

How would you propose ending it while keeping the rest of the movie the same that would solve that problem and the audience would still like?

Personally, I think that the ending of the originally story that more or less carries over into other adaptations like pic related solves the problem of the Disney version just giving the mermaid everything she wants with no consequences, but I also think it's generally not well received and wouldn't sell as well as Disney's happily ever after schtick.

>>90794538
It was both.

>>90795292
Then there will never be real communism.
>people die in capitalist countries too
and? Its like saying cancer is not bad because aids kill too

>>90795315
add more struggle. like have ursula send minion to the land to sabotage the romance, have the mermaid see the darker side of humanity like maybe add a gaston to the mix

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>>90795011
Can somebody remind me what the story and ending of this movie even was? It's been a while since I've seen it.

>>90795001
Because it can never work as long as the population are humans.

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>>90794324
i know some stories

like how the previous president of the national assembly is believed to be the leader of a big drug cartel

or how back when there were rolling blackouts every day some doctors had to perform surgery with the light of their cell phones

and btw the capital NEVER had to endure blackouts, of course if you lived anywhere else in the country like me (with a couple of exceptions), you were fucked

this one always pisses me off, my dad's family lives mostly in this city called punto fijo, the city depends mostly on one water reservoir and due to bad planning and pipelines, when the drought season came the city was left with pretty much no water, as far as i know the problem persist today and my uncles have to stay awake until like 4 AM waiting for a truck to deliver water to their homes so they can fill a couple of container with them

actually the whole fucking drought episode pisses me off to no end, because the exact same thing happened in 2010 while the fat son of a bitch was still alive, back then we also had to endure rolling blackouts, albeit not as severe, after that drought season ended he apparently ordered some extra power plants to be built, 6 years later in 2016 those power plants were nowhere to be seen, all that money probably inside someone's pocket, forcing people to endure even worse blackouts

>>90794491
If you don't toe the line you get called an uncle Tom.

t. conservative black guy

>>90795292
>people die in capitalist countries
>estimate that Mao was responsible for 40 to 70 million deaths through starvation, prison labour and executions, ranking his tenure as the top incidence of excess mortality in human history.[7][8]
Yes, because the top 10 murderers in history are all capitalist figure heads. Oh wait, they're not. And yes, it was murder, Mao wanted to not just kill people but kill a culture so that all that remained was communism. Part of the reason why modern china is full of monsters and not people.

>>90795412
so? Why does the change have to be global, why can't small part of humans stop being human?

>>90792586
Wait, what? The film changed the book to give a good ending?

Guess I shouldn't be surprised, wasn't it more or less produced as pro-capitalist western propaganda rather than Orwell's actual, pro-democratic socialism but anti-authoritarian and totalitarian message? I guess in that context I can understand why they'd show the animals/soviets rebelling against their leaders, even if it does diminish Orwell's intended point which was not so much that socialist beliefs are wrong, but that you have to have constant vigilance that your leaders aren't given too much power.

>>90795455
Ah yes, the classic "if you don't fit my narrative than fuck you! I don't actually like you niggers, I want obedient little pets I can flaunt around to show how progressive I am!"

>>90795409
That's changing the whole movie and not just the ending, though. I partly wanted to know what is the problem with the end specifically that could be fixed without reworking the movie the whole way through like by having a Gaston the whole time.

One example would be to give Ariel a bad end like in other versions and let her die tragically, possibly while saving Eric, but the problem with it would be it's too depressing.

>>90795491
Because the minute people have the option to they will leave, there are some communal tribes but even that isn't 'true' communism because there is no industry to seize and give to a central authority.

>>90795232
Ah, yes, on closer look I see that. Pardon me for hoping we could talk about cartoons.

>>90795522
pretty much, i wouldnt put all of the far left in the same bag, but plenty cannot fathom the idea that people belonging to the "oppressed" masses do not want to support them, and will perform any kind of mental gymnastics to rationalize it, the same boring tales of "internalized oppression" and "brainwashed by the bourgeoisie"

>>90795522
To be fair the conservative blacks that do get into the spotlight are a little bit on the stereotype side, also doesn't help most libertarian blacks are the absolutely retarded sovereign citizen libertarians so even that is rarer

>>90795561
Want to talk about soviet era cartoons?

Yes, they are all bleak as shit, why is this a question?

https://youtu.be/Gsl9ZGfy2nE

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>>90795555
Been a while since I've seen a Holocaust denier round here.

Do you guys ever get tired of talking about the same political points with the exact same people in every thread about it?

>>90795556
but in True Communism™ there is no central authority. The state withers away, everything else is transitional socialism

>>90795555
>murder of millions of germans
thats bad?
>Zyklon B
There are purchase orders, true dentists say that it was used to clean clothing. work on your bait.

>>90795184
Well I thought the end was abrupt and I'm genuinely surprised we didn't get a sequence of the rats moving out of the bush

>>90795738
But anon, if the Jews run the secret shadow government then everything is Jew funded.

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>>90795675
>they are all bleak as shit
The Snow Queen wasn't

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>>90793640
I tried to warn you, dog.

>>90795760
>>murder of millions of germans
>thats bad?
Typical Marxist, not caring about human lives

>There are purchase orders
I don´t deny that, but not a trace of it can be found in the supposed "gas chambers".

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>>90794324
>>90795422


i posted the stories, where my anime ass?

>>90795776
exactly

>>90793640
Capitalism is inherently less dangerous in its flaws than communism.

Nice job staying on topic

>>90795824
So then chances are that you are a Jewish plant trying to play devils advocate to drum up sympathy.

>>90795797
Adaptations don't count.

>>90795844
Nah.
4chan's run by japs, and jews fear the samurai.

>>90793789
Ignorant faggot. URSS fell due to economic and social instability related to their government structure it's not only because muh capitalism. Today Russia uses a structure different from Communism. Inform yourself before make a comment.

>>90795776
better jews than the mudslim

>>90792551
Every single film made by Laika.

>>90795828
I don't know, those ads trying to convince students to sell their plasma so they can afford school books is pretty flawed.

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>>90795820
Was playing battlefront, woops.
here's an ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCM_qxypw_w

>>90795915
Paranorman had a good ending.

>>90795675
i like Polygon, it has a very unique art style that still looks good and i admit, its EXTREMELY unusual to find a piece of soviet media that depicts the soviet military as the bad guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnJbtbh4tDE

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>>90795918
thanks

>>90795917
>less people are killed and starve
>therefore the system more people are dead is better because at least you can't see the problems

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>mfw antifa and other rabble-rousers think they will survive the normalization process once the new government no longer wants or needs revolutionaries or antagonisers

>>90794169
Same goes for people who blame capitalism's problems on government intervention.

>>90795979
I'm not getting that from what he's saying at all. Criticizing capitalism doesn't mean you want communism.

>>90795011
Hold up the bitching about commies.

This pussy here has gotten my attention. Is this movie any good?

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>>90796060
Adam Smith never wanted capitalism to be unregulated, he used "free market" in a derogatory way. Also he never would have approved of fiat money because capitalism by nature requires an exchange of capital, and that means backed currency.

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>>90796011
>In fact, here's a whole doujin cause you guys helped out our first president during the time when the Spaniards and Haitians were being niggers.

no problem, i wish more people would lend a hand to the venezuelan people in these trying times, but it looks like only our white argentinian friend macri cares, but well thats how politics works in the end

what country are you from btw?

>>90796086
I said it's less flawed and the flaws are less dangerous for some reason he assumed that meant I thought it was perfect and pointing out one situation undermined my argument.

>>90796101
It's a good movie ruined by its ending.

>>90796125
To be fair it's not as if anyone can really help them, the political class doesn't want help and any help that gets there will be pocketed by said political class. And regime change isn't exactly a great idea at this time.

>>90792586
>>90792551
You do realize that the reason for the ending change was because the CIA funded the filming of this movie, and changed the ending to make communism look bad?

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>>90796225
The ending was that communism will devolve into oligarchy in the end but be as or even more brutal than capitalism, that's stupid if that's the case.

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>>90796225
Communism makes communism look bad.

>>90796011
oh lordy, with that art I half expected asanagi

>>90792551
The live action adaptation was gr8.

>>90796225
thats like saying the flies make a turd look bad, its a turd, id look bad either way

>>90796178
yeah i know its not really realistic to expect help from outside

particularly because itd fall within the narrative of the chavistas, always bitching about being "attacked" by the US and its allies

>>90795722

http://imgur.com/gallery/725A7

it doesn't matter anyway you'll just say ALL EVIDENCE WAS FORGED BY THE JEWS AND ALL NAZI OFFICERS WHO ADMITTED TO HAVE A PART IN THE HOLOCAUST WERE FORCED TO BE THE JEWS

>>90796029
Wouldn't that make revolutionaries even stronger? Since that'd be autoritharian-tier.

>>90792551
What's this movie called again?

>>90796466
>Wouldn't that make revolutionaries even stronger?

No because they'll be dead.

>Since that'd be autoritharian-tier.
Yes?

This is what happens to all the useful idiots who are no longer useful.

>>90796466
The revolutionaries are useful idiots who will be purged, the ones who aren't will value the current state, not the ideals that made it.

You should read his books, they lay out what happened very well and Kruchevs memoirs are also a good look into what is the fate of post communist revolution ideologues

>>90796273
>>90796276
>>90796397
I never said the CIA was smart.

>>90796466
kek. no true autoritharian-tier can crush them in a day, they need lukewarm situation to keep agitating. revolution also does bad shit to "wake up" the people, which often means inconveniencing them and that can backfire hard and then autoritharian-tier can just blame their extremism on the revolutionaries

>>90795201
>as always hypocrisy and autocracy of any variety go hand in hand
ftfy

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>>90792551
>political cartoons are always made by pseudo-intellectual activists who can't express themselves in a convincing and concise manner if their life depended on them
>It's always a bunch of absurd examples with no basis in reality and arguments so poorly written that you wonder if the writer is some low-life drugged hippy or some unfunny 4/10 teenager drawing stick figures and pretending he's funny, witty and edgy/truthful.
Did Huey Freeman write this shit? Or the twin from Camp Twins? Only a whiny nagging faggot who thinks Santa Clause is the Illuminati can be such a faggot.


I'd like to see 1 animated movie about politics written in a positive and truthful manner, made by PhD intellectuals(like Futurama), with a good art style, a charming director and a concise message.
Honestly I'd be happy with a 13-19 episode series.

Even children's cartoons aren't so stuck up their own ass and the producer/executive behind The Magic School bus kept adding Q&A at the end of every episode pointing how underwhelming, shit and not that informative his PBS cartoon is.
But PBS cartoons are made for entertainment first and education later. That's why they're so humble and not a bunch of stubborn bastards who forgot what a belt whip felt like or forgot a childhood was.

>>90796466
There can be only one ruler. look at menshevik puges, the end of trotskyites and all who were forced to call themselves trotskyites so their families would not be axed with them. What "revolutionaries" the revolution is over and anyone saying otherwise is a saboteur undermining all that we have worked for, it is time for the final push, purge them and the good life will follow.

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>>90795675
>they are all bleak as shit
Isn't A Kitten Named Woof Soviet? That one's damn comfy.

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Felidae's ending monologue sucked and ruined the tone to a good resolution.

Was it really this sappy in German too or was it just a mistranslation?

>>90796576

Animal Farm.

>>90796836
>animated movie about politics written in a positive and truthful manner
Wouldn't the "truthful" part cancel out the "positive" part?

Politicians are self-serving scum Anon, no matter what colour tie they wear. They don't give a shit about you, only enriching themselves and their corporate friends (who will pay them back in kind with seats at the director's table and money for literally nothing later), and they've become this way because the system allows them get away with it. Hell, it encourages it. You get taken into the political machine and if you don't become corrupt like everyone else, they destroy you so they can keep riding the gravy train.

>>90797352
but that is true of all people, not just politicians

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>>90796652
YOU TAKE THAT BACK

>>90797396
No, not everyone. It's true everyone is encouraged by those same leaders to be selfish and care only about themselves and their own gratification in the consumer capitalist world we've created (primarily because teaching people to be in competition with one another prevents them banding together to topple said leaders) but there are still plenty of genuinely good, caring people in the world. Not everybody gives in to their base instincts.

>>90797504
you simultaneous claim that its an instinct and that people are brainwashed into it by evil capitalists. "genuinely good, caring people" are usually privileged enough to have that luxury or so poor that it makes no difference one way or the other.
>topple said leaders
and do what?

>>90795917
Maybe it's my inner altruist speaking, but I don't get why you'd be payed to give plasma. It's a donation and simple way to help your fellow man

>>90797643
It's really not much and it's more a way to reimburse people for the bus or ride there. Also there is literally no other way to get plasma so that's you're only option.

>>90796962
What are you talking about? The ending was purrfect!

>>90797643
Its like talks of legalized prostitution, if you allow it than the system will expect you to sell yourself and will never improve.
>It's a donation and simple way to help your fellow man
My fellow man needs to stop sizing me up for parts like some cow.

>>90797618
>you simultaneous claim that its an instinct and that people are brainwashed into it by evil capitalists
Yes. People can either be taught to embrace their selfish base instincts or to overcome them. Most modern societies encourage the former. Where's the contradiction?

>"genuinely good, caring people" are usually privileged enough to have that luxury or so poor that it makes no difference one way or the other.
The very wealthy are allowed to do as they please, as other wealthy people don't seek to profit from them. They profit from the poor and middle class, who it helps them to turn against each other. It's true the very poor are often the most charitable, because they have firsthand experience of hardship and don't wish it on others.

>and do what?
Institute a system that doesn't breed and reward corruption, and where nobody is above the rule of law perhaps? One that doesn't encourage people to selfish instant gratification machines and debt slaves?

>>90797831
>let's build a "system" that controls everyone so no one will be selfish or corrupt
>no way such a "system" will ever be corrupt itself

>>90797923
Where did I ever mention control? Encouragement. I'm not saying people should be locked up or put to death for being selfish, just that it makes far more sense for people to seek to conquer their base instincts, be better people and create a better society for everyone.

You know, like most religions and philosophies which have brought people together throughout history to create the civilised societies we're now destroying.

>>90798044
>>90797831
so you are a totalitarian fag with romantic notions about ones duty to society.
>Most modern societies encourage the former.
well EU says to give shirt of your back to refugees, is that the way to go?

>>90796145
Oh wait, that's what the thread was about in the first place. I got distracted

>>90796836
Movies take too much budget. Look smaller.

Taiwanese animators.
The mood is light satire, and it strives for political accuracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsHgQlQCBIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dHQ9WiV644

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCbguNH4eT0

>>90793789
>a third world shithole run by a collection of former KGB agents in tandem with an oligarch mafia
>communist
I don't think there even is a word for a state that is run by its own former intelligence agency.
There should be because between the puppet opposition, assassinations and all encompassing information warfare it seems to be actually working. When they're not sabotaging themselves by alienating all western states with stupid land grabs that is.

>>90792551
Wasn't that meant to be the point of the book: You replace who/what you want to destroy, power corrupts, the holder of power always has one rule for some and one rule for others.

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>>90797352
>>90797396
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce
If you're a lazy faggot who just keeps doing another handicapped history lesson where you just present the intel without the weapons and everyone shrugs you off, yeah you'll always be the creatively bankrupt faggot thinking negatively.

I'm talking a protagonist so realistic and feasible it would terrify people. For example back when everyone thought nuclear bombs will certainly mean we'll blow up our planet.
And you know what? We might just do it within the 100 years if we're not careful. Almost sucked the whole planet in a black hole that one time. The dark ages weren't that far away you know. Surely you might live for 80 years so what do you care about the planet blowing up.

Why isn't the US helping Ukraine?
What's keeping America and Russia to simply both turn against Saudi Arabia and take everything they have by force?
What's keeping China from colonizing South Africa? (they are doing it right now)
Or how about all the eastern european countries living in communism and nobody powerful enough giving a fuck? At this point a trillionaire could hire an army of mercenaries and take over a small country for himself.

The only thing keeping us is cowardice, conditioning and lack of power and will. And risk to reward ratio.
It seems like humans are still just a bunch of mammals waiting confirmation from everyone to act out of free will.

>>90798624
They got in power selling to the people their communism ideals.

As quick you understand that Karl Marlx's socialism was a theory and one of the sphere of philosophy at that and that communism and socialism are utopia states as they are written, the quicker you understand how these tyrannical powers manage to cart the population to put those who openly oppress and disdain then in power.

Signed - A third worlder living in a shitty planning economy

>>90795085
>i fled to chile
FUCK OFF WE ARE FULL REEEEEEEEEE
Unless you are living in some northern shithole, if that's case then stay there

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>power corrupts,
NOOO. Who the fuck thinks like this? If the power "corrupted" you then you were always a piece of shit in the first place.
God what great fucking "morals" these movies teach you, what an amazing and fucking unique perspective on life.
Are all politicians and politician followers a bunch of mentally retarded idiots?

>>90798653
The animated adaptation changes the ending to an abruptly happy one: communists were quickly overthrown mere days after they seized power.

The book ends exactly like you described, but with no real happy ending.

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>>90798740
Communism would not be possible if the country's people weren't degenerates to begin with.

>>90798476
>so you are a totalitarian fag
Not at all. That interpretation is entirely yours. I believe in a free society where the people with power encourage a fair and decent society rather than an unfair one which works entirely for their own benefit.

The EU is entirely hypocritical and just as full of these corrupt self-serving politicians. That's what I mean about the people in power saying one thing and doing another. Fuck the poor EU counties and sell off all their assets to the private corporations, fuck the unemployed of Europe, but oh help these poor refugees (when really they just want more imported cheap labour that will drive living standards and wages down and give the poor and middle classes someone else to blame).

>>90798670
era of straight colonialisms has ended, now we fight in the shadows and with money. as you said china is already on the move. US is not helping because 1 it does not give a shit about Ukraine and 2 people are sick of wars so the election numbers would look like crap if they started another one.

>>90798785
nah, you can start of with good people but kill them off once you are in power, all you need is an opportunity or a way to disorient them

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You know, I find fandom politics as interesting as real-life politics.

Sonic attracts only losers who want to be cool, and are all arrogant and entitled.
Batman attracts similar losers who want to be as cool, suave and rich as Bruce Wayne.
Superman attracts... a slight more normal fanbase.
MLP attracts anti-socials who pride themselves in degeneracy and pretending they care about the quality of the show, when in fact often times they say they don't give a fuck and enjoy Hasbro's new direction.
Mario is one of the fewer sane fandoms because it's juts a relatively normal character, no super speed cool struts, no weapons, no chaos emeralds, nothing to attract the weeabo audience.

>>90798978
Sometimes I wonder why a SU, a show about pacifism and acceptance, harbors some of the most hateful and spiteful people on the internet.

>>90798823
>power encourage a fair and decent society
how do they gain such power and what is stopping a group of them from taking all the power?

>>90793708
Go beg for food, Maduro

>>90799058
What part of it is about pacifism and acceptance?
>>90798978
Mario like zelda attracts the le nerd crowed. normies who think they are the shit.
>MLP
I like the songs and never hid that I don't mind the changes
>Sonic
watched the toons but never got deepr
>Batman
>Superman
true. also Im part of all the 3 fandoms and many unnamed ones so what now?

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>>90794398
Pleb

>>90793708
>implying east is communist
>implying south is communist

>>90792551
Has a good movie ever been ruined as thoroughly by a terrible ending as Homestuck was?

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>>90799064
I'd say they gain power by offering people a different and better way of living. There's no denying it's very difficult considering the hostile media in bed with the current establishment, but it's been done before.

>what is stopping a group of them from taking all the power?
Well it should be THE LAW, like we're always told it is currently, but which isn't actually the case. So my personal view would be a very independent judiciary severed of ties to the establishment.

>>90793708
The difference is while one is still fairly corrupt, the power grab of politicians and corporations still rely on the needs of the people, whilst in communism and other dictator focused governments only really need the control of the military and raw materials and they can get away with most anything.

Unless you're referring to pure laissez fraire capitalism which while creates a similarly huge gap of the wealthy and the poor, is not practiced in America or any other country and even then didn't remotely match the atrocities failures of communist societies.

>>90799145
>What part of it is about pacifism and acceptance?
Every single moral is about love thy neighbor and never use violence and all that shit.

>>90799354
The way I see it its "love thy neighbor" as long as they think as you do, otherwise be polite but distant. There is nothing about not using violence, there is a bit about not being so butthurt you let vengeance drive you(like car racing ep) but at other times they ignore that (like the t shirt ep)

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>nah, you can start off with good peoplem but kill them off once you are in power, all you need is an opportunity or a way to disorient them.
It's pitiful how we as sapient beings allow this to happen in the 21st century and allowed it to happen while Britain was an empire or France was an empire.
>People are dumb, anon.
No, your people are dumb. Mine are intelligent and evolved beyond belief, if only they weren't pulled down by the sub-evolved idiots who can only think about survival without quality.

>>90799145
>What part of it is about pacifism and acceptance?
See Bismuth.
SU portrays her actions as sympathetic but misguided.
She has some good point but her plan of going up there and murdering the "bad gems" is framed as destructive and futile.

The cast system is ingrained into Gem society and most Gems, even the lower cast ones would be against it's destruction since it's all they know. Bismuth would actions would likely achieve nothing, as reflected in the fact that the shattering of Pink Diamond did nothing but prolong the conflict that cost many lives on both sides.
The show's standpoint is that homeworld would have to change through peaceful means, and that all Gems are too some extent "human".

Half the fandom is pissed because they think Bismuth was right anyway, and the best way to deal with the enemy is to kill them all.

>>90795315
Simple... take away Triton's ability to turn Ariel into a human.

Really that's the only thing that turns that movie from bittersweet compromise to, "Fuck that, happy ending forever, yay!"

Ariel fucks up big time, causing trouble for everyone and losing her human form in the process. She doesn't get a second chance at that. She blew it. Lesson learned, if you want something, choose the nobler way of getting it, or even listen when people tell you it's a bad idea.

>>90799639
What where you taking during your biology classes?

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>Excuse me, we need to shove another bully episode, anti-smoke episode, anti alcohol, save the trees and yadarrara into your show.
How would you handle it, /co/?

Honestly I'd greet this with open arms if I was allowed to do exactly what I wanted out of these episodes.
I'll tell you about it in like 22 minutes.

>>90799736
I'd put it all in one episode.

>>90799585
>that the shattering of Pink Diamond did nothing but prolong the conflict that cost many lives on both sides.
we don't know enough about that. for all we know that was what started the conflict or maybe she asked to be shattered.
>>90799585
see
>>90799461
its not all about gem war.

>>90799727
sucking dick under the bleachers

>>90799329
>laissez-faire
>not practiced in America
It's happened several times before and it's happening again you worthless apologetic.

Have you even looked at how many fucking economic bubbles and nearly overlapping recessions America has had since the 1980s? Hell, just since the turn of the century? Do you think shit like that happens when the finance sector is actually regulated, or when an entire nation isn't sold on the notion that prosperity > everything else?

>>90799678
Now see, that is a great proposition and I would love it.

But I still stand by that that leaves the ending as too "tragic," even if admittedly less tragic than killing her off, and that that's not what the classic Disney fairytale audience would want, and while it would make it a better film in terms of storytelling, it would make it a less profitable product in the process. I really believe that in order to be a success it needed a happy ending.

>>90796225
>>90792551
How did this movie end if not with the pigs killing the horse and ruling over everyone?

>>90799837
>Too "tragic"

That's as good an ending I can come up with without having Ariel turn human. I think you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

>>90799936
I should say as "happy" an ending as I can think of. Maybe Eric gets a diver suit.

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>>90799736

>bully episode
Kick him out of school
>Ok it's not the real bully, he was framed.
Don't allow anti-social children in schools.
>But muh education is equal
Entrance exams.
>Same thing. There are mediocre students.
Assign students based on their personality.
>Wouldn't work
*Bang*

Next.

>>90799936
I just think it's a more difficult problem with The Little Mermaid than just tweaking the end. That's a movie that's pretty fucked the whole way through and would need to be reworked from the ground up.

Also, I definitely agree that giving Ariel a bad end fixes the movie's problems, I just can't help but also recognize that it hurts the main priority of Disney as a business, which is to make money.

>>90799736
>We need trees for the animals to live in.
Wrong, we need trees so we can breathe oxygen.

>Protect the animals
Kill all animals who oppose and risk our own mammal race of living, namely predators.

>>90799880
That happens, but then a whole bunch of animals from other farms show up and gang up to beat those darn dirty pigs.

See >>90798754

>>90799639
gb2sucking whoring your sister for vodka money, Russianon.

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>>90799727
The usual, but with a very extreme hint of eugenics.

For example america is full of immature and corrupted assholes because most of the country is full of society's rejects from Spain, Britain and France. Most of them were criminals, investors or poorfags looking for a better future in a new country.

>>90800296
That's a really dumb ending. Not because it undermines the message of the story, but because it really fucks with the tone.

>>90800296
>>90800439
Sounds like a more kid friendly happy ending.

>>90800296
>animals suffer just as much under pigs as they do humans
>for some reason the animals of other farms band together to bring the animals under the pigs back under the subjugation of humans
>this is a happy ending

>>90800526
It's a more patriotic "murrika gotta go beat all those commies" ending.

>>90798978
But people are fans of Batman becuase of the Batman part, not the Bruce Wayne part. Without fighting crazy criminals every night the character would be generic rich guy with dead parents.

ITT: /pol/ invading /co/.

>>90800566
>to bring the animals under the pigs back under the subjugation of humans

That's not implied at all. It just ends abruptly in the middle of the second animal revolt right as they're smashing into the farmhouse to reach the cowering pigs, and there's no indication of where things are going to go after that. You can choose to interpret that the humans seize power again, or you could choose to believe that the cycle begins anew and some other corrupted animals rise to power (I think this was implied somewhere in the book, but I'm unsure), but I think the interpretation the film is going for, that it wants you to believe, is that the animals are liberated once the pigs are out of the way and that this time they're going to do things right somehow. Presumably because one of those anonymous farms is America and they're going to show everybody capitalism and democracy or something.

>>90799736
Anti alcohol

Well, drunk girls are my fetish, si she ends up acting stupid and belching in front of her crush.

>>90792586
It would have been good if they had hinted at the cycle beginning to restart with some different animal species in charge.

>>90793640
>Though pure capitalism is flawed for the same reason.
Capitalism works because people are shit tough since it's built on the assumption people will act within their own self interests which will in turn benefit everyone by proxy.

>>90795917
"Hey you want money for school books, sick people need plasma!"
"Why don't you guys trade?"
>This is somehow a bad thing.

>>90797781
>if you allow it than the system will expect you to sell yourself and will never improve.
What the hell are you talking about?
Are you suggesting that valuable dick sucking technology is being suppressed by the powerful prostitution lobbies or something?

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>>90800893
>there's no indication of where things are going to go after that. You can choose to interpret that the humans seize power again, or you could choose to believe that the cycle begins anew and some other corrupted animals rise to power
Except now of course, we know exactly what happens.

>>90794169

someone post the one with socialism

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>>90796125
>our white argentinian friend macri cares
Bahaha No he doesn't
He's sucking that sweet ol' Dept of State dick
Same as Temer

>>90792686
Communism would be a perfect system for robots, bees or ants. Unfortunately, humans are none of these things.

>>90793708
True capitalism hasn't ever been attempted, cucko.

>>90802424
All of South America that depends on oil is pretty much sucking Tillerson dick. The man pretty much bankrupted Venezuela faster by gapping them out of a multi billion oil deal. He's a scary fucking guy, thank God Chile doesn't have much in terms of oil.

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>>90799639

Reminder that those slav-mongols beat and then cucked the "master race."

Shit if you want to go back even farther it was also the Russians who ended the Swedish Empire. So much for Aryanism.

> Jews haven't evolved in 2000 years.

And yet I bet you believe they also control the media and the banks.

The way Naziboos talk about Jews you think they were the Master Race.

>>90795410
They go on a trip to Africa on some Allan Quartermain shit. They leave because of some big guys.

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>>90803153

Big guys?

>>90800893
>I think this was implied somewhere in the book, but I'm unsure

>The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

this is literally how it ends

it's not a fable about systems of governance, it's a fable about power and corruption; the movie misses that mark by a country mile and implies that soft power, which the US has been all about since WW2, is good power - force projection over empire and responsibility

the pigs take control because they're bossy but they know very little about running a farm; the labor is done by Boxer and other animals who know how it works, and eventually the pigs, who have no other role on a farm but being fattened for slaughter and thus have a natural inclination to gorge and laze around, become indistinguishable from men because they have also gained absolute power over the animals

hens lay eggs, roosters crow, sheep give wool, cows give milk, horses pull the carts, the cat kills vermin, the dog herds the sheep and keeps the rats down too, but pigs are food for men, and very man-like they are too in their habits

tl;dr you are what you eat

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POL get the fuck out of here.

>>90799736
Change the education system. Standardized tests and personality tests + some kids don't belong in school and some jobs don't require school. Also college should no longer require high school.

>smoke/alcohol/drugs
Get it together or wait for the year 2107 when we can hack our brains.

>save the rainforests
Fuck the rainforest, fucks the indians, fuck the eskimos.
Oh but do reconfigure the building arhitecture structure to support trees on top of roofs.

Plant trees with leaves which provide the most oxygen.

In some areas plant trees and put baskets near them and people to collect them. (often times people don't even collect the fruit in their stree trees and all the fruit ends up falling making a mess on the streets)

>business at the cost of quality
Kill China and suck it up.
Pay 300k a year for a quality programmer or stop doing any sort of business altogether if you just can't hire professionals.

>>90795271
He's literally a dictator. There's not even a joke to be made here.

>>90802754
Every system would be perfect if it weren't for humans. Each form of government is corrupted by people who want to exploit the system for selfish gain. Capitalism is great in theory; a meritocracy where whoever works the hardest to produce the best product or service is reward monetarily, thus encouraging further quality. But people quickly realize that the best way to make money is to work as little as possible to produce the cheapest possible product, sell it at the highest possible cost, and maximize your profit.

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>>90803248
>you are what you eat
So if i eat another human and i more human?
Are cannibals the best people?

>>90799736
Firearms safety and then go into crew served automatics and artillery for teamwork.

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>>90793789

>>90801080
This is the kind of discourse I come here for.

>>90800833
>when you're on the same website as someone and expect to never run into their opinions

>>90793931
Couldn't you just execute all bankers and replace them with specific policy makers who work for you?
That'd be just as effective if not moreso

There's no reason to specify jews if you're talking about a profession

>>90795915
>forgets about corraline

>>90794934
So Communism confirmed for inherently imperialistic "The eternal revolution" and "workers of the world unite" a system of governance and economics actively refusing to recognize state sovereignty and the society of individuals.
Woo boy sounds like dem gommies are racist western whiteys forcing their belif system upon foreign *uncivlised* countries if they got their way.

Oh wait no they did that since the soviets were literally the first aggressor in 99% of all proxy wars from Afghanistan to Korea to Vietnam (which is more complicated but fuck the french)
>wtf i hate communism now?

Realtalk though how is it at all socially acceptable to be communist unironically? the regime is globally shit and gave rise to atrocities that have never been matched in barbarity scale or spectacle next to fascism, fucking how? the communist and the naziboo deserve the same five fingered kiss right up their prostate

>>90806351
>how is it socially acceptable to be a communist?
It isn't. The vast majority of people will think you're a fucking lunatic, even in the liberal west.

>>90794680
I don't think you grasp how many dozens of millions died of famine in China in the 20th century. It's pretty bad to work for a really scarce living, but there's at least more food around to keep entire communities from regularly butchering and cannibalizing each other in starving desperation. Which also happened in communist Russia once upon a time.

Vastly widening wealth gaps is definitely a problem, though. But no one's really found a way to fix it.

>>90798998
>huurrrr i liek living in a poverty-stricken shithole police state
What a total waste of skin you are, and a shame to your ancestors.

>>90801080
Well, if prostitution is an option, you can already hear the economic conservatives/libertarians:
"Well if she's so poor why doesn't she suck dick in an alleyway until she's rich like [Insert reference to historical concubine to a king that Poor Mary on 7th street would never be able to suck the dick of]."
Capitalism expects that if you have some kind of means no matter how far a shot it is and how much there is to lose, that you should take it and die in a ditch if you lose because "you didn't work hard enough. (lol."

>>90795555
This is bait, but the '6 million' refers to all the Jewish deaths as a result of Hitler's reign, not just the gas chambers and burning. Starvation, disease, and simple line up executions were the majority of deaths.

>>90795555

Yeah, and a bunch of European Jews just randomly decided to tattoo numbers on their arms.

Kill yourself.

>>90804541
>people quickly realize that the best way to make money is to work as little as possible to produce the cheapest possible product, sell it at the highest possible cost, and maximize your profit.
That's called efficiency, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. The problem is the incentive to use deception to make something seem better than it really is.

>>90795184
No, I think the movie is perfect.

>>90806962
So what if I want to suck dick for a living?
Are you telling me I shouldn't be allowed to do that because it offends your moral sensibilities or something?
Also Its not like prostitution is the only job there is, if you don't want to do that you can do something else.
>Capitalism expects that if you have some kind of means no matter how far a shot it is and how much there is to lose, that you should take it and die in a ditch if you lose because "you didn't work hard enough.
Then do something else.
The world is not black and white there is never only one option for employment, if you think there is it means you simply haven't looked hard enough.
But at the same time there is no such thing as a free lunch, really if you end up as a prostitute it means that your desire for instant payment was greater than your desire to have a job that doesn't involve sucking dick, that or you actually enjoy sucking dick.

>>90794744

underrated as all fuck

nigga fought for the communist faction of spain during the spanish civil war

>>90807868
>randomly
I'm just saying that it's not as many as 6 million.

It might be 4 million, or 1 million...personally, I think it's even less than that, but I'm just asking questions.

But to address your main point, I think that it wasn't random, there was a very serious and real benefit to be gained by tattooing a number on your arm (*cough* a brand new country *cough*).

You've just gotta follow the money.

>>90808405

to be fair it was more than just jews that were sent to camps

communists, gays, gypsies and slavs were all fucked by the holocaust

>>90793854

yes but most of the 30 million that died under stalin were dead due to a famine that came about though bad industrial planning

whereas the deaths under hitler was more murderous

>>90808405
>>90808448
And the fact that the majority of deaths were due to starvation, disease, normal executions, and possibly as cannon fodder.

Really, the entire holocaust problem today is that people only give the truncated and mathematically false story to avoid talking about it.

>>90794198
Argenis?

>>90794199

when did the eastern bloc ever have a stateless classless society ?

>>90796225
This was a British Production dumbass, and what nation hates Commies more than the English.

Go back to /pol/ you conspiritard.

>>90794065
and /pol/ is the homeless guy rambling by the alley hoping someone listens.

>>90793747
Have you ever thought about the fact that every communist nation to ever exist got shat on by an alliance of the most powerful capitalist countries on the planet? All conspiring to make stop the growth of an economic system that ran counter to the core directive of capitalist democracy.

If you look at how quickly The USSR went from backwards peasants to space travel I think you'll find the problem is not the system itself but instead the hostile conditions the system had to compete in.

>>90795315
Turn Eric into a Merman at the end and have him live underwater

aliens want us to become communists.
Peace create weakness, they are waiting until we lower our guard.

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>>90792551
Not /co/, but it's always the first thing that comes to mind:
FUCKING BREAKFAST CLUB
THE ENTIRE THING IS ABOUT BEING TRUE TO YOURSELF AND THEN ONE OF THEM GETS A FUCKING PRETTY-N-PINK MAKEOVER

>>90796225
The ending of the book had the pigs turning out to be as bad/worse than their predecessors.

>>90796225

The ending wasn't changed to make Communism look bad; the book itself amply does that. It was changed to give the message that counter-revolutions could be successful against Communist rule.

>>90808759

The CIA had the animation done in England because they suspected American studios had been infiltrated by Communists and it made it easier to hide where the money was coming from.

Not even the animators knew at the time that it was funded by the CIA and didn't find out about it until '70s. There was even a documentary about the film's CIA ties on one of the recent DVD releases.

>>90809178

And looks infinitely worse for it no less.

>>90794398
>It didn't fail, it just needed to be BIGGER!

/co/ - political ideology.

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>>90792551
Ernest and Celestine was an adorable movie but the ending did a hamfisted message about bigotry that really didn't seem like a plausible reason for the courts to forgive them for their crimes even if they saved the judges lives.

>>90808537
Jewish deaths under Hitler were due to food shortages and rampant disease caused by Allied bombings of Axis supply lines, not murder.

>>90795315
>How would you propose ending it while keeping the rest of the movie the same that would solve that problem and the audience would still like?
Eric and Ariel going on dates with Eric in an old timey Diving Suit and flounder playing chaperone.

>>90795422
>or how back when there were rolling blackouts every day some doctors had to perform surgery with the light of their cell phones
We talking smartphones, or the smaller ones from back in the day?

>>90813357
>Nazis didnu nuthin it was actually the ALLIED'S fault
Stormfront was a mistake.

>>90813532
>thinking it's ludicrous that POWs, during the largest war in human history, might have starved to death on the losing side
>this automatically makes it a single group's fault somehow and not a simple tragedy of war

Good goy!

This thread contains literal holocaust denial.
Mods please move this thread to /pol.

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>>90801023
I don't know, something rubs me the wrong way about asking people to sell their body for education.

>>90794918
China's not really communist anymore, they have a state capitalist system. Independent businesses compete for government approval to conduct trade.

>>90800992
Yeah, but without regulation it invariably leads to those with more money hoarding ever more wealth and those without left powerless to accumulate any wealth of their own.

A mixed-market economy where the government steps in to prevent abuses or unfair business practices and make upward mobility realistically attainable is the best system we have so far.

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>>90795201
The amount of lost music and artists who were executed is pretty horrifying. Had their own rock'n'roll scene till everything went to shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtwrDTyxabQ

Kinda puts things in perspective that society doesn't linearly evolve and can easily loop back to square one or worse. Granted it can be somewhat subjective as to what defines 'progress' but the point still stands.

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>>90794198
Jesus, I thought being Guatemalan was bad

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I hate myself for studying the history of Russia and the rise of communism because i am quite literally doomed to see every single person in the fucking world blatantly advertise, with their complete misrepresentation of the historical facts, their total and utter ignorance of the topic.

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>>90794184
Yeah but what a hot fish ass.

>>90814027
If I work manual labor to pay for my tuition, am I not in essence selling my body for education?

>>90814027
>>90815416

By law, it's illegal to buy or sell human fluids or tissue.

You aren't selling your plasma as a technicality. You're selling your time.

>>90792686
Orwell himself was a socialist but not a communist. Who say the flaws of capitalism clearly but obviously communism as well which he why he wrote so much criticism it. A rare nuanced view. Capitalism mixed with socialist or rather safety net programs being the middle way that all developed and halfway successful nations now operate under.

Pure capitalism/anarchy and pure communism or socialism have never been proven to be even somewhat viable on a large scale frankly and right now they probably are not viable. Only a mixture has ever worked.

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>>90794991
>6 million of them were jews

>>90796273
>>90796276
>>90796397
>>90796652
>Why did they think of indoctrinating the public to truths too obvious to question.
>book written by a socialist
This is self parody at this point.

>>90794198
So how did you get out? Simply a case of having enough money for a one way plane ticket to get out of dodge and never look back?

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>>90793789
>putin
>communism

>>90795201
>Pol Pot proves that governments who call themselves communists are fundamentally evil
>was ousted by the communist Vietnamese (who were greeted as liberators)
>was funded by the american government, which helped him regain power.
?

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>>90793854
>Nazis killed ~6 million
ye got any evidence to back that up?

>>90794184

>No consequence

Prince whathisface had to prove himself which cause Triton to trust him

By defeating Ursula

/co/-Communism

This thread is such cringe.
>>90815482
>Capitalism mixed with socialist or rather safety net programs
You have no idea what socialism actually is if you think a safety net is socialist. Nor do most of the people on this thread.
Socialism simply put is workplace democracy. Actually existing forms of socialism are some school boards, some non-profit organizations (think tanks is a subset), some for profit workers cooperatives etc. A socialist is someone who advocates for the economic dominance of such organizations rather than capitalist structures (which have an employee, employer relationship).
Nothing to do with a social safety net.
>Pure capitalism/anarchy
Anarchism has a large leftist tradition fucking read a book.

>>90815432
>By law, it's illegal to buy or sell human fluids or tissue
I can't imagine how much fucking blood would be donated if it weren't.

>>90817196
>300k
I doubt this somewhat. I think in the waning months when the railways were bombed starvation would have claimed more than that. I'm probably wrong but I woulda estimated from 1 to 1.5 million between starvation and exposure mostly.

>>90793747
1- capitalism failed in hundreds of countries at this point
2- the countries where it worked used elements of socialism
3- China and Russia succeeded for a long time with socialism. Actually, Russia was on par with USA for a long time, if you remember history. If you're saying a system ALWAYS have to work, i would like to point you out to the famous capitalist crisis that happens from time to time, and governments have to literally GIVE money to Bankai to make It stop.

Bônus round: you don't need dictatorship to have socialism. It just happens that when countries tried to vote for socialism USA attacked them directly or indirectly.

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Well done as ever mods.

>>90793775
By not doing anything, the government is enabling them.

>>90817435
>Actually, Russia pretended to be par with USA for a long time, but it turned out that that government-funded facade was actually just bankrupting them faster.
FTFY.

Do you really need to be reminded of Chernobyl? Nothing about Sovient Russia worked and everything was done to create the illusion of being on-par with the USA. Whereas 99.9% of what America did was because Capitalism empowers ambition (the 0.1% being nukes and moon landings).

>>90817435
While the entire population starved.

>>90817478

Mods allow /pol/ to get invited and then allow /pol/ to respond. That's the point.

>>90817478
>all political discussion comes from /pol/
Fuck off, political discussion naturally happens on every board since politics is in every walk of life. /pol/ is just there to keep pure political discussion there when it has nothing to do with any other board or starts developing as though a general.

>>90817476
Russia was on par with USA in a lot of areas, anon. You cannot just fake that. You cannot pretend to bring a man to space, for example. Not only that, before comunism, Russia was complete shit and in a couple of years organizing their production they manage to rival the capitalist countries.

Sorry, but saying it doesnt work is idiotic. Socialism works just fine. Capitalism works just fine. Its the heart of people that will decide if a country will succeeded or not; if evil people are in power It will fail.

>>90817536
It has nothing to do with the board NOW. At least when people complain about SJWs ruining shows it has something to do with shows, all that's going on currently is an argument about communism and capitalism by people who know the definition and histories of niether.

>>90817517
They manage to feed everyone, actually. Also..

>People don't starve in capitalist countries

>>90817582
>They manage to feed everyone, actually
Mao was responsible for 40 to 70 million deaths through starvation, prison labour and executions, ranking his tenure as the top incidence of excess mortality in human history.[7][8]
>starvation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

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>>90817571
>people who know the definition and histories of niether
ye sure thing pal everyone is fucking retard and knows nothing about life
>>90817582
sure thing pal
t.slavshit from former communist country
everyone is eastern europe hates communism, especially poland which was caught the most in the crossfire

>>90796962
My main issue was revealing that Clawdandus was the villain in that flashback/video long before he was revealed to the character as the villian.

>>90817632
>ye sure thing pal everyone is fucking retard and knows nothing about life
The majority of the people on this thread think that socialism is when the government does something in a normally economic sphere. They literally do not know what the word means.
I'm guessing the majority of the people on this thread think that capitalism means a market economy, they literally do not know what capitalism is.

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>>90817667
Considering we have shit like SU general I wouldn't be surprised.

>>90794049
Right leaning post-paleomodernoconservatotribalist magocracy

>>90798624
The US is run by it's current intelligence agencies.

>>90794398
Look at what happened to Britain's economy and industries thanks to communist economic policies of the post war period.

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>>90794151
That really violates my NAP.

>>90812898
Yeah, just imagine owning a candy store and one day a hobo breaks in and steals half your stock. Shortly after the hobo's sewer dweller accomplice breaks into your wife's office and steals half HER stock. They run away together and stay on the run for half a year, but you still demand justice. Then one day they're caught and their court date comes up, and you're feeling pretty confident that pretty soon you'll be able to rest easy knowing that you won't have to worry about late night break-ins and thievery in your neighborhood anymore. But then last minute through some whacky turn of events these two criminals get a full pardon for some personal bias related to the judges, and nobody gives a shit about what they did to you anymore. I just hope that dentist and candy store had good insurance.

>>90794680
The thing is that it actually helps raise living standards and social mobility far more than communism did.

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https://youtu.be/RlhxK75mcdg

>>90814589
Just look at the Middle East for that.

>>90806351
I completely agree. Someone who says they're Communist should be treated with the same disdain as White nationalists, ZANU–PF bosses and other bastards.

>>90818841
Breitbart is an intelligence agency now?

>>90817556
Except that similar programs were going on prior to the First World War that were also seeing great improvement and that the Five Year Plans were technically an improvement, but not as successful as planned and came about at an immense human cost.

>>90817618
>Mao was responsible for 40 to 70 million deaths through starvation
thought you were talking about Russia, where there was starvation Before socialism. Anyway, eventually China got on tracks.

>>90817667
>I'm losing! Time to redefine everything so I'm technically correct!

This is why post-modernism is cancer.

>>90817632
>everyone is eastern europe hates communism, especially poland which was caught the most in the crossfire
they hated the USSR. It's different.

>>90819106
>Starvation in Russia was before Socialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

We have a genuine Communist here.